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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: robertn@penny.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Subject: Custom Headers in NeXTMail? Distribution: world Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 20:42:16 +0000 Message-ID: <9306302035.AA10363@penny.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk How do I specify custom headers in NeXTMail? ie. Return-Receipt-To: (Not NeXTMail receipts) All attempts have resulted with the header information in the body of the message. Cheers.
From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with PC System Configuration Message-ID: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jun 93 14:53:38 MDT Organization: Utah State University I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and comments about harware and pricing. But here is the configuration I'm looking at: (I should be eligible for Edu discounts if available. Prices are in parenthesis if they are an estimate, otherwise, they are the best I have found so far.) Hardware -------- : Intel 586 DX66 Mhz (Specific vendor yet to be decided) : + EISA Backplane with VESA Local-Bus slots : + 32MB 70ns Ram : + 2 1.44MB 3.5" floppy drives : ? 2 2.88MB 3.5" floppy drives [2.88MB Floppies are my preference, but I don't know what kinds of controllers are available (SCSI? maybe?) or if NEXTSTEP supports the controllers.] $ (600): + Fast SCSI-2 card: ? DPT 2012/90 EISA [I chose this one because it seems to be the most upgradable, are there better performers out there?] $ 521 : + CD-ROM drive: NEC CRD 841 Internal $(1300): + .5-1.2GB SCSI-2 HD $ 449 : + ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (VL-Bus) 2MB Ram [What is the difference between the EISA and VL-Bus versions performance wise?] $ 1989 : + Sony CPD-2036s 20" monitor, .30mm, 1280x1024 NI [I'm having a hard time finding technical info on Sony products, can anyone point me in the right direction?] : + Modem/Fax $ 369 : ? Hayes Optima 14.4 Ext. Modem/14.4 Ext. Fax $ 199 : ? USRobotics Sportster 14.4 Ext. Modem/14.4 Ext. Fax [I'm totally clueless about modems. I want an External modem with fax ability. What is the difference between the ones I have listed above, and other models that might perform equally as well?] : + Standard 101 Keyboard $ ?? : + Logitec Mouse Man Bus Additional Hardware ------------------- $ ?? : Sound Card $ ?? : MIDI interface/controller card (or box) $ 2400 : ? HP Laserjet 4M -C2021A -or- $ 2979 : ? HP Laserjet 4si -C2010A $ 800 : + Postscript Level-2 simms -C2013A $ ?? : + 8MB RAM -C2066A $ 480 : + 100 Envelope feeder -C2060A Software (with Edu discount) ---------------------------- $ 250 : NEXTSTEP 3.1 user version (or better) [Since I'll be making this purchase in September, NS 3.2 will probably be out and I'll get that instead -- but who knows what pricing may be like then. Plus, I know that the Edu version *already* comes with the developer version, but again, in September, this *may* not be the case.] $ 250 : SoftPC with Windows 3.1 $ 250 : Finale for Windows $ ?? : ? Lotus Improv (Spreadsheet) $ ?? : ? Wingz [Can't decide which one, or both] $ ?? : ? Pages (Desk Top Publishing) $ ?? : ? WordPerfect (Maybe) $ ?? : Communications interface software/drivers $ ?? : Back Space screen saver(s) [All the rest are optional] $ ?? : ? Database application $ ?? : ? Music Scribe (music notation) $ ?? : ? Music Kit $ ?? : ? Developer Kit Well, that's the wish list for now. I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions about this configutarion either from this newsgroup or email. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spoormand@hns.com (Sy Poormand) Subject: NeXT Cube for sale Sender: news@hns.com (USENET news system) Message-ID: <1993Jun30.192538.7271@hns.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 19:25:38 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Hughes Network Systems Inc. NeXT 68030 Cube 660 Mb Macropolis SCSI-2 Hard Drive (has 4 years warranty left) 24 Mb RAM NeXTSTEP 2.1 installed on HD. NeXT CD rom drive + NeXTSTEP 3.0 on CD + educational sampler CD. External Archive 250MB tape drive + 3 250MB tapes + enTar backup software. Tones of commercial software including: Mathematica Improve Adobe-Illestrator Touch Type Microphone SoftPC Squash WordPerfect Create WriteNow and many others. Full NeXTSTEP 2.0 documents 10 volumes + 3 volumes of Mathematica. This has been a home machine, very lightly used. Make best offer... I live in the D.C. area, can ship anywhere in the US, buyer pays shipping. E-mail: spoormand@hns.com or leave message at 301-540-8821
From: "Jay Wallin" <p00370@psilink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT consulting-NYC area Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 16:01:04 -0500 Organization: WSI Message-ID: <2950556440.8.p00370@psilink.com> At last some NeXT activity on the East Coast. A large development project needs 8-10 Senior NeXT consultants for long term independent on-site contracts at good rates. Seven senior developers are needed with Objective C, Sybase a plus and two senior Sybase specialists (almost DBA's). E-Mail here or call 212-410-1400. Thanks - Jay Wallin PS The consulting company involved has been in business 8yrs, has a great reputation and pays on time!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: godfrel@fraser.sfu.ca (Godfrey Leung) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.001545.221@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <93180.115058GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jun30.152251.16025@infonode.ingr.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 00:15:45 GMT > The S3 has the added advantage of being a real SVGA instead of a > completely different animal like the GUP (it's a soupped up > 8514/A). The GUP has an ATI SVGA card onboard for doing svga > modes, and this card does not support true/hicolor, so your DOS > SVGA true/hicolor software won't Are you absolutely sure? Explain the vgraf program that comes with the card and allows you to view 24-bit Targa files. I also believe that a new set of VESA drivers allows 24-bit colour too. Godfrey.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <Jul1.010028.47639@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 01:00:28 GMT References: <20nsihINNpf7@network.ucsd.edu> <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta [ List of newsgroups and relative volumes deleted ] > It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important > ... At least it's more important than Sun. :-) I'm afraid the benchmark measures total volume of intenet news... how is that related to "importance"? It's interesting that NeXTSTEP, with an installed base in the 50-70 thousand range has more than half as much traffic as Windows, with an installed base in the (guesstimates anyone? 20 million?) range. I think you could claim, therefore, that NeXT users are about 400 times as verbose as Windows users. :-) -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: drkstar!rwilson@gun.com (Robert K. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PC Expo Date: 30 Jun 1993 21:47:25 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9307010246.AA00304@drkstar.aiko.gun.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <20srtv$153@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> you wrote: > Does anyone know what is going on at PC Expo in New York? Does NeXT have > a booth? > > So far, from newsbytes the only news I heard from the 85,000 attendance show > is that Bill Gates is "promising" NT by July 24. Yeah right! > > Any NEXTSTEP news? > > Eric > NeXT Inc. did not have a booth, but there was a NEXTSTEP presence at several of the PC vendors there showing their wares running our beloved OS. NEC: Showed a Pentium (60 Mhz) machine running NS. Dubbed the "NEXTSTEP" Fantasy System in reference to the NeXTWorld article. It was a BLACK!! Tower system based on their Express/II family. Estimated retail $6500 (w/500 MB HD, 16MB RAM). Call 1-800-NEC-INFO ALR: Also showed a NEXTSTEP Pentium (60Mhz) system on their Evolution V system. Note: Systems start at $2,495 (w/o HD, video)!! Also available in a black tower (Evolution VQ) for approx.$4400 (which has EISA rater than ISA slots and other features that account for the cost differential). This has my vote for the most exciting NEXTSETP Intel platform given its performance, features and PRICE!!! Call 800-444-4ALR Dell: Showed their '486 50 Mhz machine running NS. Epson : Showed the Progression and Progression NX running NS. DEC: (Didn't get around to see them yet, will report back tomorrow). ANDI: Had a booth distributing info and some 3rd party applications promo materials. I'll be helping out at the Dell booth tomorrow morning and other members of GUN (Gotham Users of NeXT) are also demonstrating and evangelizing NEXTSEP at the other PC vendors listed above. If there are any further questions, don't hesitate to ask... -Rob -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Robert K. Wilson, Esq. | Voice/Fax/Data 269-29D Grand Central Parkway | +1-718-279-0918 Floral Park, NY 11005 | NeXT Mail Accepted USA | Internet: rwilson@gun.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 02:14:12 GMT In article <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu writes: >In article <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu>, chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >>I received replies regarding the performance of ATI Ultra Pro >>and S3-805. Some likes the ATI while some likes the S3-805. >> >>Another question: What about the performance difference of ATI Ultra >>Pro and S3-928? >> >>I understand that S3-928 is not support in the current version of >>NS/FIP, but I'll surely write a driver to support it. >> >>Any opinion? >>-- > >The 928 will smoke the Ultra Pro. > Are you sure? At what resolution? Everything I've read (after disecting performance results, but no actual board in front of me), shows that at high resolutions, the Ultra Pro outperforms most everything. At lower resolutions (to 800x600), some boards can zip along up to 2x faster. P.S. Note that the OEM board has a 64-bit RAMDAC, but Gateway and other retailers substitute lower-end 32-bit RAMDAC's (I believe you can upgrade at order time). Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Message-ID: <1993Jul1.023455.14233@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 02:34:55 GMT In article <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: >I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid >September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind >of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and >comments about harware and pricing. But here is the >configuration I'm looking at: > >(I should be eligible for Edu discounts if available. Prices are >in parenthesis if they are an estimate, otherwise, they are the >best I have found so far.) > >Hardware >-------- > : Intel 586 DX66 Mhz (Specific vendor yet to be decided) > : + EISA Backplane with VESA Local-Bus slots ============== By Sept, we should be seeing several PCI based machines on the market. With that, I'm hoping they do away with EISA and ISA and build in SCSI-2. Bus arbitration avail with PCI should result in better throughput with multiple local-bus boards. Also there is BIOS that now supports SCSI, but only for the PCI bus and there's apparently a hot new SCSI-2 chip, but again, funded partially by Intel and hence only for the PCI bus. P.S. Does anyone know if I can (currently) get a motherboard like this - with no useless ISA Bus, no expensive EISA Bus, but those savings applied to a PCI Bus, with built-in SCSI and a minimal number of PCI slots (say 4 - who needs 8 slots, when most devices can be chained to the SCSI controller). Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Filling in circles, specifying line width, and rounded corners using ACACADEMY CADD software Message-ID: <1993Jul1.025811.2038@selway.umt.edu> Date: 1 Jul 93 02:58:11 GMT Article-I.D.: selway.1993Jul1.025811.2038 Organization: University of Montana I've been working with this Academy CADD software and really like it. It's a two-dimensional package and overall easy and intuitive to use. It is a general-purpose program and there are a few features that I'm looking for (and not finding) to design the physical layout of a circuit board. For one, it doesn't seem to have a function for filling in solid a circle or square (as in solder pads). Secondly, I don't know how to specify line widths, except for the limited preset widths. And thirdly, I'd like to give my circuit traces rounded corners but don't see an easy way to do it, other than specifying a radius for each corner (a hassle). Don't get me wrong, overall the package is great. Compared to Generic CADD....well, there's no comparison. I like being able to browse through the building block files and see a miniature picture of the contents of each file, for instance. Just thought there might be someone out ther who knows a trick to doing these things. Thanks in advance for the info. Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: mr2@netcom.com (Jongyoon Lee) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <mr2C9GuMr.6BC@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 03:20:50 GMT Dennis Manke (dmanke@sanjuan) wrote: : Are you sure? At what resolution? : Everything I've read (after disecting performance results, but no actual : board in front of me), shows that at high resolutions, the Ultra Pro : outperforms most everything. At lower resolutions (to 800x600), some : boards can zip along up to 2x faster. The latest issue of PC Magazine (or Byte) has benchmark of S3-801/805, S3-928, Weitek P9000, and ATI GUP in various resolution/color depth. According to it, P9000 is the fastest by far, S3-928 is the next, ATI, and then 801/805. If I remember correctly, GUP was fastest at 24bit color, even faster than P9000. But on avarage, GUP placed itself between 928 and 801. Hope this helps. : Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca Jongyoon -- +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Jongyoon Lee | _/_/ _/ _/_/ | | University of California | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | Los Angeles | _/ _/ _/ _/ | | Computer Science | _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | | jong@seas.ucla.edu | _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | mr2@netcom.com | _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP on AST? Date: 30 Jun 1993 23:08:41 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Distribution: inet Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Jul1010841@dannug.dannug.dk> Hi. I'm posting this on behalf of Geert Clemmensen, so please reply by mail to the below address: Anyone that has tried to install NEXTSTEP on an AST Premmia 4/66D? If yes, are there any pitfalls? If I install 2 MB VRAM, will I then be able to run 1024x768/4096 (the hw comp. guide only lists 1 MB VRAM which will give 800x600/4096)? Anynone with availability info on the promised driver update disk (which seems to be required for the AST Premmia)? Please reply to: gclem@dannug.dk Thx. Geert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.050436.18309@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> <mr2C9GuMr.6BC@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 05:04:36 GMT In article <mr2C9GuMr.6BC@netcom.com> mr2@netcom.com (Jongyoon Lee) writes: >Dennis Manke (dmanke@sanjuan) wrote: > >: Are you sure? At what resolution? > >: Everything I've read (after disecting performance results, but no actual >: board in front of me), shows that at high resolutions, the Ultra Pro >: outperforms most everything. At lower resolutions (to 800x600), some >: boards can zip along up to 2x faster. > >The latest issue of PC Magazine (or Byte) has benchmark of S3-801/805, >S3-928, Weitek P9000, and ATI GUP in various resolution/color depth. >According to it, P9000 is the fastest by far, S3-928 is the next, >ATI, and then 801/805. >If I remember correctly, GUP was fastest at 24bit color, even faster than >P9000. But on avarage, GUP placed itself between 928 and 801. > >Hope this helps. > Well, not saying that any of the above are better than the other, I really detest PC Mag and their attitude towards ATI. I would suggest that the other board manufacturers have huge advertising bugets with the Mag and this influences heavily on their conclusions. Wittness their attack on ATI for keeping up on the leading edge with their development of software drivers. If one is so concerned with stability then they can keep a few versions back, but I for one would like to use the best one I can get, if it works for my environment. They attack them for bit caching which results in ***real*** speed improvments, but because many other manufacturers can't create proper bit caching drivers (probably because of poorly designed hardware - from a software engineers point of view) and because their own testing crew can't dream-up generic enough tests to foil truely pathetic attempts at bit caching, they criticise it. They have constantly recommended products (flying colors) which my ex-employer subsequently brought in to test, only to have the product fail on the first real world sample data the product was given. For more evidence of how their testing is influenced by budgets, look at their latest review of workstations running UNIX. They tested these various platforms (all running state of the art versions of UNIX) against a stale old version 3.0 of SCO UNIX on Intel architecture. I hope I don't sound overly critical of PC Mag, but I think we need someone with the hardware to give us the real breakdown of how the boards run under NS/I. My guess is that when ATI has their own tuned driver for NS/I, it'l smoke. Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <1993Jun30.121016.4444@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <C9ExDE.34B.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 12:10:16 GMT In article <C9ExDE.34B.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes: > >> Pentium/HP/whatever in the basement or something like that. This > >> could be economical if you want to move a whole group to NS/FIP. > >> You'd only need the user license on all the end-user machines, > >> with the developer license on the server, so that's another cost > > > >Sorry to intrude, but having the dev on one machine on a net doesn't > >make it legally available to all clients. Only as many machines as > >licences are owned should use it. That's the point of "right-to-use" > >licences. You don't get the code, but a licence to it. > > Hm, I wasn't talking about a fileserver type of arrangement. I was > talking about the actual binary running on the server. Was this > understood? Is this illegal? > > Here's an example that should be roughly equivalent. Let's say I've > got two machines in my home. One is a maxed-out 486 box, DX2-66, > super-duper fast-and-wide SCSI, everything. But a VGA card, so it's > only 640x480x2. Let's say I've also got an origianl 030 NeXTcube, > with a NeXTdimension in it, with a nice 21" color monitor. Can I run > programs on the 486 box and display them via the net on the dimension > (via -NXHost, sorta like "setenv DISPLAY" for X, for those who don't > know how), legally? > > What if one machine has just a user license, and the other has a > developer license? > > Is it a question of how many *people* are using a machine at a time? > -- > Doug DeJulio > ddj+@cmu.edu As long as the clients use -NXHost then only one license is needed. Though I just reread the license and there are limitations on use of bitmaps and printing but no limitation on use of the software to one person or one machine. So as far as I can tell (not a lawyer) we can use the software as much as we want. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cue@apple.com (Eddy Cue) Subject: NS 3.1 update for Mot/FIP Sender: news@gallant.apple.com Message-ID: <cue-010793001014@17.127.11.59> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 07:08:26 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Does the NextStep 3.1 update for the Motorola processor include any Intel files? I own a copy of 3.0 and want the full FIP package, but don't want to pay the full price. Eddy Cue cue@aol.com
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple PowerCD ? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.034812.1964@imani.cam.org> Date: 1 Jul 93 03:48:12 GMT References: <hschulz.741425494@rzdspc4> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <hschulz.741425494@rzdspc4> hschulz@rzdspc4.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) writes: > Has anybody seen or better used a Apple PowerCD on a NeXT? > It should be a > - portable AudioCD-Player > - PhotoCD-Player (on your TV) > - SCSI CD-ROM > > By the way, Philips sells a portable PhotoCD-Player (CD-100?) > which looks exactly the same (well, not the logo :-). > Any comments? My understanding is that Phillips supplies to Apple (and maybe Kodak, I'm not sure, but I think I read it in some english mag), wich installs the SCSI interface on it (or gets Phillips to install it, whatever...). BTW this drive is _NOT_ double-speed. You get 150kbps. Like the good ol' days. 8^). And the "portable part is the "freesbie", wich seems quite large by protables standards, and I'm not sure about batteries. Guess it's more of a "portable presentation/portfolio player" than competition for Sony. Ciao > Heiko Schulz > EMail> hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.035842.2022@imani.cam.org> Date: 1 Jul 93 03:58:42 GMT References: <C9ExDE.34B.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <C9ExDE.34B.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes: > >> Pentium/HP/whatever in the basement or something like that. This > >> could be economical if you want to move a whole group to NS/FIP. > >> You'd only need the user license on all the end-user machines, > >> with the developer license on the server, so that's another cost > > > >Sorry to intrude, but having the dev on one machine on a net doesn't > >make it legally available to all clients. Only as many machines as > >licences are owned should use it. That's the point of "right-to-use" > >licences. You don't get the code, but a licence to it. > > Hm, I wasn't talking about a fileserver type of arrangement. I was > talking about the actual binary running on the server. Was this > understood? Is this illegal? Yes > Here's an example that should be roughly equivalent. Let's say I've > got two machines in my home. One is a maxed-out 486 box, DX2-66, > super-duper fast-and-wide SCSI, everything. But a VGA card, so it's > only 640x480x2. Let's say I've also got an origianl 030 NeXTcube, > with a NeXTdimension in it, with a nice 21" color monitor. Can I run > programs on the 486 box and display them via the net on the dimension > (via -NXHost, sorta like "setenv DISPLAY" for X, for those who don't > know how), legally? > > What if one machine has just a user license, and the other has a > developer license? As long as only one person is using either, you're legal. No two persons can use either at the same time. Since you need User to run dev, so that's rather pointless. You coulnd't have 1 _HUGE_ server with 10 netboot client running off of it... (BTW anybody know if you can have an Intel machine be a motorola netboot server? Since the user is not fat, I would guess not, but then maybe just changing "clients/XXX"'s content to be real moto stuff might work.) > Is it a question of how many *people* are using a machine at a time? Yes. Buy as many licences as you need (right now, I guess full price for less than a zillions licences 8^( ), and put only one copy of the dev on your net for everyone to use. That's the legal way. Ciao, and sorry. > -- > Doug DeJulio > ddj+@cmu.edu -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) Subject: Austrian VAD Keywords: VAD, Austria, Distributor Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 08:24:52 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul1.082452.5681@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Hi all, I'd really need to know the address (email, or phone number) of the Austrian Distributor. I thing there's a VAD called "Hard & Soft", but from here is really hard to obtain his address ... Thank you in advance Michele -- Michele Giardini - Computer Science Department State University of Milan - Coordinator of NeXT2You (The Italian NeXT User Group) Via Comelico 39/41 - 20135 Milano Tel. +39 2 55006385 Fax +39 2 55006373 Email: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (NeXT mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hschulz@rzdspc14.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) Subject: Apple PowerCD ? Message-ID: <hschulz.741523523@rzdspc14> Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News) Organization: University of Hamburg, Germany Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 10:45:23 GMT Has anyone tried the Apple PowerCD yet? It should be - portable AudioCD-Player - " PhotoCD-Player (for TV) - SCSI CDROM-Player Heiko Schulz EMail> hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
From: peterk@pknms.toppoint.de (Peter Kretzschmar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP FIP Device Driver Site Distribution: world Message-ID: <741532267peterk.postmast@pknms.toppoint.de> Sender: postmast@pknms.toppoint.de Date: Thu, 01 Jul 93 13:11:07 GMT Organization: private site Keywords: drivers Hello world, is there a ftp-site, where i can get the latest device drivers for NS FIP ? I'm looking for Adaptec 1742 drivers. Does NeXT release drivers or driver updates between OS release dates ? Peter -- Peter Kretzschmar +49 4321 41471 peterk@pknms.toppoint.de Grossflecken 54 w-2350 Neumuenster
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: marwood@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Marwood) Subject: MusicKit vs. MIDI Message-ID: <MARWOOD.93Jun30085134@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:51:34 GMT About 3 weeks back I posted an article asking if the NeXT MusicKit was capable of generating realistic instruments with precise timing and how well the MusicKit measured up to a MIDI box. Thanks to Jim Beauchamp <beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu> and David Jaffe <david@jaffe.com> for their responses. Also, thanks to Len Manzara, our local NeXT music expert, for his help. There were no conflicting reports; all the answers more or less supported each other. The solution to producing realistic music is _not_ to record it and play it back. It's too troublesome and difficult and can result in funny problems, such as waves getting cut in half and whatnot. Realistic music is, however, very possible. I'm sure all of you have heard demo score files, and Ensemble seems to be the definitive place to play with creating instruments. The music can be generated to very precise amounts of time, restricted by the sampling rate and what David Jaffe calls "envelope break-points times." He estimates 0.0003 second response time, more than enough for my purposes. How did the MusicKit measure up to MIDI. Everyone I talked to claims the MusicKit will give equal if not better control of the sound parameters than MIDI will as well as more flexibility. The MusicKit's one failing point was that there was not a well-made well-packaged set of realistic sample instruments. Following suggestions and the MusicKit manual, the best I could find were some sample score files from which I gleaned the following instrument parameters: clarinet, cello, bell, wind, flute, drum, bass, kalimba, conga, and gong. Unfortunately, to my (admittedly untrained) ear, many did not sound much like the instrument they were named after. This was an important requirement that MIDI was able to meet, and certainly not one I expected the MusicKit to fail. Including good sample instruments in the MusicKit seemed like an obvious thing to do. So, for those of you who are willing to go to great lengths for great music, it seems the MusicKit beats out all but the high-end MIDI boxes. For those of you looking to create simple, but realistic music, the MIDI box seems to provide what you need more easily. Thanks once again for all your help. - David Marwood - marwood@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imj1@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Subject: NEXTSTEP/FIP compatible with S3 928? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.151829.8214@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 15:18:29 GMT Hello! I am thinking of putting together a system to run NEXTSTEP, but I would rather buy an S3 928 based video card than an S3 805 card. As I was wondering about PC Expo the other day, an S3 928 card vendor assured me that the 928 chipset was entirely compatible with the 805. He said I should be able to run the current version of NEXTSTEP (3.1) with the S3 928. Is that true? Or will I have to wait for NEXTSTEP 3.2? Thanks a lot! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini * * The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. * *******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: che@media.mit.edu (Natalio C. Pincever) Subject: Faxmail on 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul1.150320.5918@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 15:03:20 GMT I'm not sure which newsgroup is the right one, but... I need to know ASAP if NeXTstep 486 still supports faxmail: you remember, it was possible to fax ANYTHING on those wonderfull black pieces of hardware. I'm making a recommendation on faxmail tomorrow, and need this vital piece of information. Anything to spread the gospel... Natalio Pincever, a NeRD in exile PS: PLease reply via email, as I cannot read news too often...
Message-ID: <4o$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 09:43:13 MDT From: pmarc@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Paul M. Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <cue-010793001014@17.127.11.59> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: NS 3.1 update for Mot/FIP In article <cue-010793001014@17.127.11.59>, cue@apple.com (Eddy Cue) writes: >Does the NextStep 3.1 update for the Motorola processor include any Intel >files? I own a copy of 3.0 and want the full FIP package, but don't want to >pay the full price. The 3.1 user updates are different for each machine and would both have to be purchased if you want both. However, the developer package is FAT and you contains the libraries necessary to compile for any supported architecture on just one machine. Paul
From: leed@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <38667@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 1 Jul 93 15:50:28 GMT References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD The S3 based 928 will dust the ATI Ultra Pro. I have a Diamond Stealth Pro ISA and it is faster than a ATI Ultra Pro VL-BUS in a Gateway 486-66V. This comes from experience with both computers.
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Date: 1 Jul 1993 16:20:52 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <20v2t4$2hg@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> In article <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid > September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind > of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and > comments about harware and pricing. But here is the > configuration I'm looking at: > > (I should be eligible for Edu discounts if available. Prices are > in parenthesis if they are an estimate, otherwise, they are the > best I have found so far.) > > Hardware > -------- > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > > $ 1989 : + Sony CPD-2036s 20" monitor, .30mm, 1280x1024 NI > > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > Well, that's the wish list for now. I'd appreciate any comments > or suggestions about this configutarion either from this > newsgroup or email. > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah I would highly recommend you call GEC Computer. They are a NeXT Approved Dealer and have EXCELLENT prices. Call Jeannie @ 1-800-486-1500 for a quote. Tell her you want a quote on their NeXT Step approved system. Monitor-wise, I have looked at lots of 20" monitors and for what they give you in screen real estate vs what they take up in desk space, they really aren't worth the extra bucks over a good 17" monitor. I now own a Scepter 17" monitor which I purchased from GEC for $1189 (I am sure their prices are subject to change). It has a Sony Trinitron tube and its .20mm dot pitch at 1280x1024 creates the cleanest picture I have ever seen. The difference in price allowed me to buy more memory, too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Date: 1 Jul 1993 16:21:07 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <20v2tj$2if@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> In article <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid > September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind > of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and > comments about harware and pricing. But here is the > configuration I'm looking at: > > (I should be eligible for Edu discounts if available. Prices are > in parenthesis if they are an estimate, otherwise, they are the > best I have found so far.) > > Hardware > -------- > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > > $ 1989 : + Sony CPD-2036s 20" monitor, .30mm, 1280x1024 NI > > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > Well, that's the wish list for now. I'd appreciate any comments > or suggestions about this configutarion either from this > newsgroup or email. > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah I would highly recommend you call GEC Computer. They are a NeXT Approved Dealer and have EXCELLENT prices. Call Jeannie @ 1-800-486-1500 for a quote. Tell her you want a quote on their NeXT Step approved system. Monitor-wise, I have looked at lots of 20" monitors and for what they give you in screen real estate vs what they take up in desk space, they really aren't worth the extra bucks over a good 17" monitor. I now own a Scepter 17" monitor which I purchased from GEC for $1189 (I am sure their prices are subject to change). It has a Sony Trinitron tube and its .20mm dot pitch at 1280x1024 creates the cleanest picture I have ever seen. The difference in price allowed me to buy more memory, too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Date: 1 Jul 1993 16:33:40 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <20v3l4$34m@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> In article <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid > September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind > of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and > comments about harware and pricing. But here is the > configuration I'm looking at: > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > > $ 1989 : + Sony CPD-2036s 20" monitor, .30mm, 1280x1024 NI > > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > Well, that's the wish list for now. I'd appreciate any comments > or suggestions about this configutarion either from this > newsgroup or email. > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah I would highly recommend you call GEC Computer. They are a NeXT Approved Dealer and have EXCELLENT prices. Call Jeannie @ 1-800-486-1500 for a quote. Tell her you want a quote on their NeXT Step approved system. Monitor-wise, I have looked at lots of 20" monitors and for what they give you in screen real estate vs what they take up in desk space, they really aren't worth the extra bucks over a good 17" monitor. I now own a Scepter 17" monitor which I purchased from GEC for $1189 (I am sure their prices are subject to change). It has a Sony Trinitron tube and its .20mm dot pitch at 1280x1024 creates the cleanest picture I have ever seen. The difference in price allowed me to buy more memory, too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Date: 1 Jul 1993 16:34:11 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <20v3m3$35a@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> In article <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid > September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind > of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and > comments about harware and pricing. But here is the > configuration I'm looking at: > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > > $ 1989 : + Sony CPD-2036s 20" monitor, .30mm, 1280x1024 NI > > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > Well, that's the wish list for now. I'd appreciate any comments > or suggestions about this configutarion either from this > newsgroup or email. > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah I would highly recommend you call GEC Computer. They are a NeXT Approved Dealer and have EXCELLENT prices. Call Jeannie @ 1-800-486-1500 for a quote. Tell her you want a quote on their NeXT Step approved system. Monitor-wise, I have looked at lots of 20" monitors and for what they give you in screen real estate vs what they take up in desk space, they really aren't worth the extra bucks over a good 17" monitor. I now own a Scepter 17" monitor which I purchased from GEC for $1189 (I am sure their prices are subject to change). It has a Sony Trinitron tube and its .20mm dot pitch at 1280x1024 creates the cleanest picture I have ever seen. The difference in price allowed me to buy more memory, too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Date: 1 Jul 1993 16:34:25 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <20v3mh$35i@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> In article <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > I'm going to be venturing out into the PC market in mid > September. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what kind > of system configuration I want. I need some opinions and > comments about harware and pricing. But here is the > configuration I'm looking at: > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > > $ 1989 : + Sony CPD-2036s 20" monitor, .30mm, 1280x1024 NI > > [cut lots of stuff from here....] > > Well, that's the wish list for now. I'd appreciate any comments > or suggestions about this configutarion either from this > newsgroup or email. > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah I would highly recommend you call GEC Computer. They are a NeXT Approved Dealer and have EXCELLENT prices. Call Jeannie @ 1-800-486-1500 for a quote. Tell her you want a quote on their NeXT Step approved system. Monitor-wise, I have looked at lots of 20" monitors and for what they give you in screen real estate vs what they take up in desk space, they really aren't worth the extra bucks over a good 17" monitor. I now own a Scepter 17" monitor which I purchased from GEC for $1189 (I am sure their prices are subject to change). It has a Sony Trinitron tube and its .20mm dot pitch at 1280x1024 creates the cleanest picture I have ever seen. The difference in price allowed me to buy more memory, too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.152755.27403@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <Jul1.010028.47639@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 15:27:55 GMT In article <Jul1.010028.47639@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: > [ List of newsgroups and relative volumes deleted ] > > > It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important > > ... > > At least it's more important than Sun. :-) > > I'm afraid the benchmark measures total volume of intenet news... > how is that related to "importance"? It's interesting that > NeXTSTEP, with an installed base in the 50-70 thousand range has > more than half as much traffic as Windows, with an installed base > in the (guesstimates anyone? 20 million?) range. > > I think you could claim, therefore, that NeXT users are about 400 > times as verbose as Windows users. :-) Actually, I think that you hit it right on the head. In a recent study it was found that the genetic makeup of NEXTSTEP users is slightly different than that of "ordinary" people. Using sophisticated genetic analysis software reveals that, in addition to DNA and RNA, NEXTSTEP users have a chemical component of their genetic makeup dubbed VNA, for VerboNucleic Acid. This appears to be the root cause of the rampant fanaticism and prolific postings of NEXTSTEP advocates. No cure has as yet been found, but studies continue. > -- > Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation > Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR > bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | > | ... couldn't have been ME -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: PC Expo Message-ID: <1993Jul1.164520.14757@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <9307010246.AA00304@drkstar.aiko.gun.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 16:45:20 GMT Robert K. Wilson writes > > Does anyone know what is going on at PC Expo in New York? > > Does NeXT have a booth? > > > NeXT Inc. did not have a booth Sigh. So much for the promises of aggressive marketing. The stealth computer lives on, now even harder to see because it doesn't come in an eye-catching black box. Seriously, folks. People who go to PC Expo and the like are not looking to buy 386SX systems. They're looking at 486-50s and Pentiums. Why isn't NeXT there showing them the best OS to actually make use of that kind of power???? > but there was a NEXTSTEP presence at several of the PC > vendors there showing their wares running our beloved OS. Good, but not enough. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: claire@cubx.com (Claire Normand) Subject: Demo version of Cub'X-Window v4.0 for black hardware Message-ID: <1993Jun30.170742.29435@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 17:07:42 GMT The demo version of Cub'X-Window v4.0 for NeXT computers in archive server cs.orst.edu has been moved from directory /pub/next/submissions to /pub/next/XNeXT. The NSFIP demo version will soon follow. Claire Normand Cub'x Systemes Immeuble Sedgwick 7, Rue E. & A. Peugeot 92563 Rueil Malmaison Cedex - France Tel : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 40 Fax : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 41 e-mail : claire@cubx.com (NeXT mail OK)
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration (Sorry) Date: 1 Jul 1993 19:20:27 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <20vddr$8vk@transfer.stratus.com> References: <20v2t4$2hg@transfer.stratus.com> In article <20v2t4$2hg@transfer.stratus.com> bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) writes: > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com > Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 > Telecom CAC > 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018 > > Sorry - runaway newsgrazer! It told me it was unable to post - LIAR! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <1993Jul1.155706.3448@imani.cam.org> Date: 1 Jul 93 15:57:06 GMT References: <1993Jun30.121016.4444@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993Jun30.121016.4444@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> harit@kripalu.com writes: [stuff about running NS/I on network and having 1 licence for user/dev for use by all networed machines] > As long as the clients use -NXHost then only one license is needed. What if you have bought 1 (licence, whatever...) copy of Mesa? (no gratuitous plug here. I'm just trying to get David Pollak to clear this out for all of us from his law-degree throne. 8^) I mayself did 3 years of law school, but I didn't stick around for the degree) Could you have 20 machines running it over the net simultaneously? Even in -NXHost mode (on a single machine, however impractical that might be)? I think not! > Though I just reread the license and there are limitations on use > of bitmaps and printing but no limitation on use of the software to > one person or one machine. So as far as I can tell (not a lawyer) > we can use the software as much as we want. Look, what they give you is the right "for one person to use it"/"to use it on one machine" (I don't have NS FIP on front of me, so I can't check). Both mean basically the same thing. Copying it over the net is the same as copying with a CD-Rom drive. If you feel you can buy NS FIP once and install it from the CD-Rom on more than one machine, you will probably feel you can run a number of machines over the net with a single licence. In that case, go ahead. You're no worse doing that than installing it with the CD-Rom! BTW The confusion may stem from the fact that we didn't need to care about licences with black hardware, except for newer versions of NS (But then NeXT sold right-to-use licences for 3.0). Your machine came bundled with the right to use of the version shipping at the time of purchase, and later even with the code (when they started shipping CDs). This is a different ball game. Threat NS FIP just like any piece of software, legally speaking. Ciao > -- > Michael Allen Latta > Kripalu Center > harit@kripalu.com > (413)448-3288 -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PC Expo Date: 1 Jul 1993 20:39:12 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <20vi1g$q1u@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Jul1.164520.14757@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article 14757@leland.Stanford.EDU, spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > > Does anyone know what is going on at PC Expo in New York? > > > Does NeXT have a booth? > > > > > NeXT Inc. did not have a booth > > Sigh. So much for the promises of aggressive marketing. > The stealth computer lives on, now even harder to see because it > doesn't come in an eye-catching black box. A related item: the June issue of "Journal of Object-Oriented Programming". The back outside cover is a NEXTSTEP ad-- the same one that appeared in Byte.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) Subject: HSD Fax Modem Problem Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: <C9I4Iw.8uy@apollo.hp.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 19:52:08 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Well, I gave up on the ZoomFax modem and got an HSD FaxModem (used). Everything I have heard and read said that it'll "just work". Well, it didn't. Under NS2.1 I configured it according to the instructions (HSD and Next's), the modem went on-line (DTR) but when I tried to fax I got an error dialog which said that the fax sw failed and that I should restart the computer. I did, the same thing happened. The console.log said !! No such device !! Wakeup pipe (or something very close to this) Any ideas? /dan ganek ganek@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <ibhan.741562200@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 1 Jul 93 21:30:00 GMT References: <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> <mr2C9GuMr.6BC@netcom.com> <1993Jul1.050436.18309@sol.UVic.CA> Does anyone know if there's any support planned for the Weitek 9000 RISC chip (on, say, a Diamond Viper)? I'd jump for NeXTStep if this was available, but I'm hesitant to buy if it's going to be released soon...I want the fastest video I can get without having to buy a DGX system...Diamond Viper looks great, but doesn't seem to be supported by NeXTStep yet. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <88230@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 1 Jul 93 19:47:14 GMT References: <1993Jun29.205959.14382@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <C9EI37.n2x@dove.nist.gov> Eric S. Boltz, eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov writes: >> Here are some statistics, from news.lists: >> 80 1432 2273273 comp.os.ms-windows.* >> 112 1135 1747062 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* >> 148 877 1396797 comp.sys.next.* >> 118 899 1677864 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware >> >> It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important ... >> > >The fact that c.s.n.* managed more than half the number of postings of >c.os.ms-win.* is impressive to me. Judging news traffic strictly by volume obscures the (possible) true facts of the matter. It says nothing about the content of the messages or of whether they are positive postings or negative postings... for all I know of c.o.ms-window.* every last post there could be people bitching about how badly windows sucks. Were this the case (and it very well could be) it would be hardly fair to say that Windows ws doing better than NeXT, agreed? There could be some masive crosspostings between OS/2 and DOS groups or maybe someone in windows.marketplace made a bad deal which is generating 30 responses a day. What would be more accurate would be a breakdown by topic and content... 30 messages praising this new app, 20 messages about some good press, 40 messages asking for configuration recommendations by potential buyers, 10 SUN salesmen doing damage control for Solaris... you get the picture. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mud huts and trenches Message-ID: <88231@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 1 Jul 93 19:55:54 GMT References: <1993Jun29.161142.17899@prim> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1993Jun29.161142.17899@prim> Dave Griffiths, dave@prim.demon.co.uk writes: >In my original article, I wasn't questioning the use of good tools, but >rather the (IMO) misplaced passion that such tools arouse. There were a lot >of folk getting worked up about Sun vs NeXT and I was wondering why no-one >(other than you ;-) gets similarly excited over such things as spoons vs >backhoes. If someone told you they were quite happy to dig their trench with >a spoon, you wouldn't start ranting and raving like some NeXT advocates do >and telling them they should be using a backhoe. I'm sure you'd be much more >interested in why they were building the trench, or complimenting them on >their handiwork. Anyone for alt.trench.backhoe.advocacy? :-) Imagine: You have a point there. I would probably look at them oddly and wonder what odd discipline training courses they were taking, I might mention they try a backhoe (maybe they never thought of it) but if they said "no thanks... I like the spoon and I can't afford the backhoe" I would accept that and move along. Of course, computers are a religious topic (haven't you noticed) and these sorts of OS comparisons drive people with more fervor than the Crusades (the Microsoft Inquisition?). It's something you learn to live with. >>>This Spoon stuff shows up in every other article, and I'm sick >>>of it. I'm sorry, I though I was being original... I didn't realize the spoon had been done before. >But actually I think a better counter-argument would be to argue that >software is the modern equivalent of poetry. It's the stuff of dreams, and no >more a tool than language is a tool. Windows is a mud hut while NeXTSTEP is a >cathedral. Once again you have a good point. While a hammer is just a hammer, a fine paintbrush may make the difference between a smooth stroke and a blotted mess. Of course, a truly great painter can create art with fingerpaints. For those of us who have the option between what we see as a fine sword and a stone club... we will choose the sword and wonder at those who carry the clubs. (metaphor hell!) ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: PC Expo Message-ID: <1993Jul1.220724.3306@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1993Jul1.164520.14757@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 22:07:24 GMT In article <1993Jul1.164520.14757@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Robert K. Wilson writes > > > Does anyone know what is going on at PC Expo in New York? > > > Does NeXT have a booth? > > > > > NeXT Inc. did not have a booth > > Sigh. So much for the promises of aggressive marketing. > The stealth computer lives on, now even harder to see because it > doesn't come in an eye-catching black box. > > Seriously, folks. People who go to PC Expo and the like are not > looking to buy 386SX systems. They're looking at 486-50s and > Pentiums. Why isn't NeXT there showing them the best OS to actually > make use of that kind of power???? > > > but there was a NEXTSTEP presence at several of the PC > > vendors there showing their wares running our beloved OS. > > Good, but not enough. NeXT DID have a booth across town at the Securities Industry Association trade show in New York during the same days (June 28-30). Considering that NeXT is NOT pursuing the mass market for now, and IS committing most of its marketing resources to financial services, this was the right choice. I was at the booth (I know, it seems like that's all I do these days), and they got a good reception. At PC Expo, they would have been one among hundreds, and to what end? They did everything at the SIA show that you're talking about, but to the specific audience they want to attract. I'd call that smart marketing. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "If you've got eyes to rhythmatize Composer-in-Residence | Bring your flat hat and your ax Anderson Financial Systems | 'Cause tonight at 10 we'll be workin' again" greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | -- Donald Fagen, "Teahouse on the Tracks"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Subject: Toshiba XM3401 and NEXTSTEP FIP Message-ID: <1993Jul2.022628.16327@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Hi! I am having some trouble installing NEXTSTEP on my computer. I have an I would really appreciate any help I could get with this. This is Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 02:26:28 GMT Thanks a lot! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini * * The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. * *******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Subject: Toshiba 3401 cdrom and NEXTSTEP/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jul2.031107.17927@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 03:11:07 GMT Hi again! It looks like I messed up somewhere in my previous post, so here is a summary of my problems. I have an 486/50, an adaptec 1542b, a Maxtor 340 mb hard drive, and a toshiba 3401 cdrom drive. When I boot from the instllation disk, my cdrom drive is not found. I suspect the problem comes from the fact the SCSI bus is reset, since I had that problem under DOS. Under DOS, the solution was to insert a No Reset flag in the CDROM driver. However I don't know what to do in this case. Has anyone succeded in installing NEXTSTEP with a Toshiba CDROM? Or is it not compatible? I would really appreciate some help with this. Thanks a lot! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini * * The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. * *******************************************************************************
From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with PC System Configuration Message-ID: <1993Jul1.233032.69641@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jul 93 23:30:32 MDT References: <1993Jun30.145339.69598@cc.usu.edu> <1993Jul1.023455.14233@sol.UVic.CA> Organization: Utah State University In article <1993Jul1.023455.14233@sol.UVic.CA>, dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes: [...] > By Sept, we should be seeing several PCI based machines on the > market. With that, I'm hoping they do away with EISA and ISA and > build in SCSI-2. Bus arbitration avail with PCI should result in > better throughput with multiple local-bus boards. Also there is > BIOS that now supports SCSI, but only for the PCI bus and there's > apparently a hot new SCSI-2 chip, but again, funded partially by > Intel and hence only for the PCI bus. But if this is the case, will PCI be supported by NEXTSTEP by then (ie, NS3.2)? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,aus.computers From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Summary/Extracts "What NeXT is doing wrong" Message-ID: <9318316.20973@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Keywords: NeXT Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 06:29:07 GMT Follows is a summary/extract response of my asking what NeXT is doing wrong. As was expected the main point was lack of marketing/advertizing. Most points are minor and one expects there to be problems with all products. Most people where really happy with NeXTSTEP and most people think that the move to software was a good one. Why did I do this summary, especially when it has all been said before? In Australia I hope that NeXT does not make the same mistakes twice. NeXT seems to be poised to sell directly here in Australia. Questions like whether it will offer any sort of academic support/offers are crucial to many academics who would like to use NeXTSTEP themselves. Like many who have beleived in NeXT (because of the MANY things they have done RIGHT!!!!) I have been tormented with not being able to share my knowledge with others (except for the general overseas community). Hopefully here in Australia we can help NeXT find a place especially in the academic environment. Thank you to all the people who responded. I am not including contributors names, but if anyone has a need to ask further I shall be glad to pass on a message. Aris. _______________________________________________________________________________ - weak support for non-netinfo-domaines - no reaction to error-reports (bug reports in NS 2.1 have not been recified in 3.0) - lack of function keys (does this change on the Intel keyboards?) - conflict on international versions with choice of function keys and special keys @,|,[,],{,},\ - better X-Windows (non-third party) support - faster and better response to bug reports - the non-US markets have to be given better attention _______________________________________________________________________________ - more advertising, printed and broadcasted _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXT is too afraid of the mainstream - NeXT should advertise in PC magazines - are too afraid of seeking broader acceptance _______________________________________________________________________________ - inadeqate support for C++ _______________________________________________________________________________ - could write a tome on what NeXT is doing wrong :-) _______________________________________________________________________________ - can't swap to a partition, must be a file - doesn't provide full support for things like shadow password files - the Cube keyboard. All the important Unix keys are on the keypad! - As far as marketing, I have to ask: What marketing? _______________________________________________________________________________ - do not have a market focus - they do not respond in positive ways to people external to NeXT - better service and customer orientation - NeXT deal with people outside as though they do not know what they are doing - you can send NeXT email, and they may never respond - communicating with NeXT is like talking to a Black Hole - NeXT is the best machine I have ever worked on, and one of the most worthless companies I have ever seen - If NeXT Inc. was a resturant, with the service they have given, they would certainly have received no tip and I probably would have walked out. The fact that they have a 5 star chef, and the best food in town does not give anyone the right to be snooty and not respect me as a customer. _______________________________________________________________________________ - charging for developer support _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXT should bundle Posix and the C compiler with the user version of NeXTstep. NeXT should not try to imitate Sun. _______________________________________________________________________________ - the product-placement is poor - the price is too high - Steve Jobs is a poor company leader - speaking for Germany, NeXT was not too friendly to its distributors .The distributors had to pay prior to delivery, got no information or marketing advice, only small margins, very restrictive contracts. In fact the whole marketing was left to the initiative of the distributors. - there is no reaonable break-in on market. They can not charge $800 or whatever for an unknown PC OS. They should dump some 10.000 copies for $100 (only one for each person), keep track of their adresses and let cook it hot. With rise of new applications and the news of successful projects with mission critical applications they may go to $1000 and sell a million. For $1000 is nothing for a company searching for a solution but too much for a student who is just curious. - still there are no ads in computer magazines. _______________________________________________________________________________ - give it a rest and save us from more of this continued nonsense (aris: this was a message to me from a justifiable bored/fed up with NeXT programmer). _______________________________________________________________________________ - Make it easier to buy NeXTStep/I - is it possible to get a diskette from NeXT (free) that would check your system and tell you whether or not NS/I will run on your machine? MS has such a diskette for Windows 3.1. - target the student population - corporate users will almost _always_ choose the most popular ("established" if you like) OS and not the "best" one - For student users, make the pot sweeter..include (at a nominal cost) SoftPC, Improv, WordPerfect and Mathematica. This need be done only for a short time, say a year, till demand catches on. I am sure these software companies could be convinced. Reason: Compare the price: a reasonable NS/installed machine costs upwards of $5K, while you can get a reasonable OS/2 running machine (or Windows, or DOS) _with_ all the software for under $3K. Sure, you get a faster machine, and a great operating system for that extra $2K, but many, including myself, are hesitant. - Finally, like IBM is doing with OS/2 (and MS with Windows) is it possible for NeXT to run "leaner" operating systems for "low end" machines? (This may be difficult, but you would get many more student users.) _______________________________________________________________________________ - Advertising, Advertising, Advertising - offer very attractive deals (with Mathematica and other standard programs, word-processing, spreadsheets) to students _______________________________________________________________________________ - frequent demos in schools will create awarenes in NeXT. - NeXT should encourage third party software developers _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXT has already heard from us.... and has choosen to ignore us. - NeXT officials... are nothing less than arrogant in their response to user critisisms - some of the technically brilliant people at NeXT ought to take a course or something in tactful ethics, and if that doesn't work, hide them from the public! _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXT is perfect, NeXTSTEP is perfect, Steve is perfect. - Any thought about so called errors is a sin against the new religion, the NeXT God. - I don't know what NeXT has done wrong but I know what they do right: shoot themselves in their own feet. _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXT does not appreciate somebody telling it what it is doing wrong - unless it is a bug report _______________________________________________________________________________ - I don't think NeXT are doing anything wrong at all - If NeXT has done anything wrong, it is rushing out NS3.1 for Intel. 3.1 has virtually no device drivers, and the so-called "drivers update" is now dragging into August. I think they could have waited an extra two months to release a slightly more complete product. - they need to write some drivers which will convert postscript to HP PCL - it is important that NeXT talks to as many peripherals as possible - Get the drivers update CD-ROM out *SOONER* than later, or ship 3.2 with SoftPC bundled in September as promised. - provide drivers for non-postscript printers - create an "8-bit color" mode. This will open up NEXTSTEP to virtually thousands of 1MB video cards running 1024x768 with 256 colors. Who uses 65,000 colors anyway? - port, port, port. Get NS onto as many RISC platforms as possible. - partnerships. Need I say more? - marketing and channels. Pull your finger out NeXT, you have the best product, but the worst marketing. Cute videos are not going to reach the mass market. Also, Steve Jobs asking all the user groups to "ask their local computer store to stock NEXTSTEP" is a lame-duck approach, especially since 3.1 is so incomplete. _______________________________________________________________________________ - source code control well integrated with the NeXT tools. This is necessary, if not only a single person is developing, but a team. Many other people have integrated that (HP, Sun, IBM) in their tools. This piece is missing. CVS would be a nice way to go. - good support for heterogeneous projects. Like 1 part dsp assembly, 1 part c++, 1 part objective-c. The makefiles don't support that nicely and it should be possible to just hack a more general set of Makefiles and make subconfigurations more encapsulated, so I don't have to care about building libraries by hand any more. Something like an automatic build for a library would be very nice indeed (without handcoding everything like in the old unix days in the makes). Also the documentation of used flags/variables is lacking. Things like the OTHER_... are not completely done. The .preamble and .postamble are not enough. This will be of increasing concern with a more heterogeneous environment coming up for the NeXT software on all the different architectures! _______________________________________________________________________________ - priced their software too high, or they've failed to explain why it is worth so much, especially to an end-user _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXT has had no interest in setting up in Australia for most of the time it has been in operation - NeXT missed out badly by not getting a toehold in Australia in 1988 - They completly underestimated the level of support that was needed to sell to universities. They assumed it would be massive when in fact it is quite small. If you don't believe me ask Sun. They were selling machines in Australia with a staff of two in most capital cities until the cash flow paid for the expansion and now Sun Australia has better market penetration into business sales that Sun USA - NeXT should not compound the mistake by now jumping straight into the commercial deep end selling developers kits (NeXTSTEP) for $6,000 and run times for $1600 around universities. I mean they should almost be GIVING it away to uni's. Turning out students year in year out that have used your product, know all about it and can be up and running day one for a future employer is priceless selling of your product (NeXTSTEP). The investment in seeding the university market worked well for DEC, worked well for sun and micosoft and apple are both in as far as they can go. It is ironic that Steve's Jobs own strategy in the states was exactly what I am proposing but for some reason in Australia they are not going to bother. IMHO it is a mistake that they don't have time to make. With regards to Cannon and DataGeneral they have not been big in uni's and unless they do an IBM and re-invent themselves I don't see them helping NeXTSTEP much at all. Next should be setting themselves up in Australia just like Microsoft, Apple and Sun. Corporate culture is very important, NeXT has a lot of goodwill which I doubt will filter through when customers are dealing with the likes of Canon and DG. _______________________________________________________________________________ - radically expand distribution channels. Ingram/Micro is a good start, but I wanna see shrinkwrap NS/I in more PC/Mac software stores. Reason: A lot of users would go with NS if they could try before they buy. Unless they can "test-drive" a product in-store alongside other wares (such as OS/2), they'll likely go the cheap, crappy route. NS is addictive. Get people hooked by letting them use it. - NS/I User is an absolute bargain at $US795, and I realize that NeXT's licensing fees for PostScript, RenderMan, Pantone, etc. are high--but, if at all possible, lower the bar as much as possible. The cheaper, the better. - reestablish ties with Universities. In Calgary, where I live, the U of C's Microstore has NO copies of NEXTSTEP, nor are they inclined to order any. They're kinda pissed off at NeXT for spontaneously pulling the plug on hardware, and see no reason to promote NS/I in the future. NeXT still needs higher-ed. Action is critical. _______________________________________________________________________________ - NeXTSTEP 3.1 should be available to Australian academic institutions and students in the same manner as found in the US. I am sure that this will happen. - A combined bundle of Mathematica with the Intel version of NeXTSTEP would be good. Take a moment to notice that departments will often buy a machine in order to run a particular program, and I have seen this done with Mathematica. Some definite X-Windows package deal would be good, to satisfy the standards committees. - Send some advertizing to universities directly. Prove to people that NeXT has the solution to their problems. Or hasn't it? _______________________________________________________________________________ -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: I need a SLIP/PPP service provider in Hawaii Message-ID: <1993Jul2.030942.773@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 03:09:42 GMT I need to find a commercial SLIP/PPP service provider in the Hawaii area. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP FIP Device Driver Site Date: 2 Jul 1993 11:09:34 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Distribution: world Message-ID: <21151e$137l@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <741532267peterk.postmast@pknms.toppoint.de> Keywords: drivers In article <741532267peterk.postmast@pknms.toppoint.de> peterk@pknms.toppoint.de (Peter Kretzschmar) writes: >Hello world, > >is there a ftp-site, where i can get the latest device drivers for >NS FIP ? I'm looking for Adaptec 1742 drivers. Does NeXT release drivers >or driver updates between OS release dates ? > There is no 174x driver yet. New drivers between releases are provided via nextanswers@next.com (try email with subject "help, index"). The only updated driver there up to now is a driver for the Wingine card. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401 cdrom and NEXTSTEP/FIP Date: 2 Jul 1993 11:19:58 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <2115ku$r2a@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <1993Jul2.031107.17927@news.columbia.edu> In article <1993Jul2.031107.17927@news.columbia.edu> imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes: > Hi again! > It looks like I messed up somewhere in my previous post, so here is >a summary of my problems. I have an 486/50, an adaptec 1542b, a Maxtor 340 mb >hard drive, and a toshiba 3401 cdrom drive. When I boot from the instllation >disk, my cdrom drive is not found. I suspect the problem comes from the fact >the SCSI bus is reset, since I had that problem under DOS. Under DOS, the >solution was to insert a No Reset flag in the CDROM driver. However I don't I had no problems with Toshiba CD-ROM drives. Remember to remove the Adaptec's terminator if you have connected internal and external devices simultaneously! Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel Machines: Benchmarks? Comparisons? (Test results) Date: 2 Jul 1993 13:49:28 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <211ed8$6am@menudo.uh.edu> References: <2119q7$pqb@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <2119q7$pqb@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: #In article <bbrown.93Jul272254@ganesha> bbrown@solana.com writes: #>Hi, #> I need an Intel box that runs NS/FIP. I will buy a new machine #> from one of the vendors which certifies their machines as #> NS/FIP-safe. But, I need information that allows me to #> compare and contrast the machines. So, I have some questions. #> #> Is there any standard windowing benchmark for NS/FIP? #Try NXBench, available via ano-ftp. # #> Does anyone have benchmark information for some of the #> Intel machines which support NS/FIP? # #NX Bench reports on my machine (DX/2 66 with ATI GUP VLB): # #Dhrystones: # ColorStation ca. 26000 # DX/2 ca. 62000 # #NX Factor (graphics performance): # Station 1.0 # ColorStation 0.6 # DX/2 ATI GUP VLB 0.6 # #JAWS or Wingine graphic adapters should smoke the ATI. # Our ATI Ultra Pro cards had and NXFactor of .81 and .82 respectively... Yeah they *should* but they don't in reality. The ATI Ultra Pro was the second fasted graphics card we tested. We conducted benchmark tests on the following systems (with the help of Wiltel of Houston): Gateway2000 4DX2-66V with ATI Ultra Pro VLB card (66Mhz) Compaq with QVision (66Mhz) Dell DGX with Jaws (50Mhz) Epson Progression with Wingine (50Mhz) Ecesys with Wingine (66Mhz) NeXTStation Mono (25Mhz) NeXTStation Color (25Mhz) The results are rather suprising. We used two benchmark programs: BenchPress 1.0 NXBench2.0 Our results are in a PostScript file and can be found at: uhoop.uh.edu:/pub/misc/BenchMarks.compressed or via gopher: gopher.uh.edu -> Engineering Gopher -> UHOOP Archive -> misc -> BenchMarks.compressed #/dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart #/usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de #~/.ircrc/nick Marsu #/etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join! -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nwc (Nick Christopher) Subject: Re: Conversion: .jpg to .tiff in 3.1 Message-ID: <C9JIu2.75z@ny.shl.com> Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. References: <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 13:58:49 GMT > > What other tool is available to do this conversion? The imageToTIFF NEXTSTEP filter will do it. \n Nicholas Christopher Systemhouse nwc@ny.shl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: rcs002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Intel Machines: Benchmarks? Comparisons? (Test results) Message-ID: <1993Jul2.095510.1@acad.drake.edu> Sender: news@dunix.drake.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA References: <2119q7$pqb@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <211ed8$6am@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 15:55:10 GMT In article <211ed8$6am@menudo.uh.edu>, sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: > In article <2119q7$pqb@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> > zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei > R.Rabenseifner)) writes: > #In article <bbrown.93Jul272254@ganesha> bbrown@solana.com writes: > #> > #> [munch] > #> > Our ATI Ultra Pro cards had and NXFactor of .81 and .82 respectively... > > Yeah they *should* but they don't in reality. The ATI Ultra Pro was the > second fasted graphics card we tested. We conducted benchmark tests on the > following systems (with the help of Wiltel of Houston): > > Gateway2000 4DX2-66V with ATI Ultra Pro VLB card (66Mhz) > Compaq with QVision (66Mhz) > Dell DGX with Jaws (50Mhz) > Epson Progression with Wingine (50Mhz) > Ecesys with Wingine (66Mhz) > NeXTStation Mono (25Mhz) > NeXTStation Color (25Mhz) > > The results are rather suprising. We used two benchmark programs: > > BenchPress 1.0 > NXBench2.0 > > Our results are in a PostScript file and can be found at: > > uhoop.uh.edu:/pub/misc/BenchMarks.compressed > > or via gopher: > > gopher.uh.edu -> Engineering Gopher -> UHOOP Archive -> misc -> > BenchMarks.compressed > Many of us who would like NS/I, but we don't currently have ability to display, or print a postscript file. If someone could take a few minutes and summarize the results, or even better type the document in, many of us would greatly appreciate it. Thanks > #/dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart > #/usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de > #~/.ircrc/nick Marsu > #/etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join! > > -- > Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) > The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT > Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) > NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC > >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< > "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime." Robert C. Stiff rcs002@acad.drake.edu
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: need phone number for HSD USA Message-ID: <38734@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 2 Jul 93 15:53:46 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Hello- Looking for info on contacting HSD about PowerScan for Black HW running NS3.0. Thanks. Bob Kurhajetz US NAVY CD NSWC Code 341 Bethesda, MD 20084 e-mail kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil next-mail rk@priscilla.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul F. Kunz) Subject: Re: tmpnam() vs mktemp() for CVS under NeXTSTEP In-Reply-To: blake015@mc.duke.edu's message of 21 Jun 93 19:11:05 GMT Message-ID: <PFKEB.93Jul2084726@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <16626@news.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 15:47:29 GMT >>>>> On 21 Jun 93 19:11:05 GMT, blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) said: > Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc > Nntp-Posting-Host: galadriel.mc.duke.edu > I have installed RCS 5.6.0.1 and CVS 1.3 on our system, consisting of 3.0 > machines. I committed a small "sample" project to CVS and am able to > checkout, checkin, etc. from it fine. I then committed a larger "real" > project to it and am unable to check anything of it out--it seg faults > right away, with no warnings or error messages, nothing in the console > window. This is obviously unacceptable! > I'm told there was a recent posting about replacing tmpnam() with mktemp(), > because NeXT's tmpnam allows only up to 25 temporary filenmes and causes > CVS to choke. Could someone please fill me in on the fix? Is this the > cause of my problem? Having used CVS on NS 3.0 machines on quite a few large projects, we've not seen the problem described above. However, with NS 3.1 prerelease there's the tmpnam() problem when a certain number of the files in a project have been modified. The symptoms are that CVS spits out the source code to your terminal. I don't know if this problem was fixed or not with the final release of NS 3.0. -- Paul F. Kunz Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok) Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University Voice: (415) 926-2884 (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: PC Expo Message-ID: <1993Jul2.163350.21852@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jul2.150318.19023@biztech.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 16:33:50 GMT Ken Anderson writes > > NeXT DID have a booth across town at the > > Securities Industry Association trade show in > > New York during the same days (June 28-30). > > Considering that NeXT is NOT pursuing the mass > > market for now, and IS committing most of > > its marketing resources to financial services, > > this was the right choice. > > .... At PC Expo, they would have been one among > > hundreds, and to what end? > > I have to agree with Greg. NeXT will definitely > generate sales from their presence at the SIA show. > PC Expo is a VERY expensive show.. Well, I disagree. NeXTSTEP needs exposure and credibility, and having a strong, explicit presence at mainstream shows like PC Expo is an important part of that. Otherwise it'll retain its image as an expensive niche product that only a few insiders know about or use. NeXT put Andy Grove on stage at NWExpo and he told them that what was needed was volume volume volume. Clearly they weren't listening. Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that NeXT ought to pursue the `mass market' as its first priority. Its current focus is correct. But it cannot _ignore_ the mass market. And, IMHO, it has what it needs to make significant inroads very cheaply (you only need to grab a very small proportion of the mass market to increase the installed NS seats by an order of magnitude). That would make developers happy (many more shrink-wrap sales in the `mass' market than the mcca market), users happy (more shrink-wrap apps, more attention paid by vendors to carrying NS-specific or NS-capable products, more people to send snazzy NeXTMail to), and NeXT happy ($$$). Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: mmlee@athena.mit.edu (Mark M Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help with NeXT Date: 2 Jul 1993 17:26:34 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <211r4a$gca@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Just stepped into the NeXT world by purchasing an used NeXTstation Color with 16/250. I have two questions/problems with my system.... 1. I tried to hook up an ext. NEC CD (CDR-74) to the NeXTstation, but the system doesn't seem to recognize it & refuses to boot up. I am running NS 3.0 & the CD drive is multi-spin..... 2. Is there NS for alpha? Will there be one? 3. I borrowed an NeXT CD ROM drive from a friend, and I tried to run the CD Player app. I followed the instruction to setup my system; however, I don't hear any music coming out..... Thanx for your help... -mark mmlee@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris%milo@wpa.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Lack of Docs in Dev3.1 (was 3.1 Developer MAB!) Message-ID: <1993Jul2.020511.4590@milo.UUCP> Sender: chris@milo.UUCP Organization: Milo Designs References: <20p6ki$f6d@otter.mrj.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 02:05:11 GMT In article <20p6ki$f6d@otter.mrj.com> dbbrown@otter.mrj.com (Dan Brown) writes: > I haven't seen this mentioned in news yet, so please excuse me if > this is old news. But I just got my 3.1 User and Developers tools > upgrade for my 040 cube yesterday. And too my surprise, the 3.1 > developers tools CD is MAB. :^) > Contrary to what I was led to believe a few months back saying that > the 3.0 -> 3.1 Developers Tools CD would only run on Black > Hardware. Is it just me, or was anybody else who got NS/I surprised to find out that 3.1 for Black hardware DID NOT include the programming/reference manuals? I could swear that I'd asked that question of several NeXT-related people and they'd all said yes. What's more, there's not even a discount coupon like that provided in the Evaluation package. Surely NeXT could have done better than this... Disappointed, -cj -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Cleeland | Internet: chris%milo@wpa.com Consultant/NeXT Advocate | UUCP: wupost!nimno!milo!chris Milo Designs | BellNet: (314) 771-3860
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Can't transfer license to SoftPC Date: 2 Jul 1993 18:30:41 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <211ush$djd@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, Well, I'm stuck with 2.0 I posted earlier about possible transfer of license and called the support line. The answer is no ... Thanks for people who reply to me.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) Subject: OCR and Presentation SW Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: <C9JuF0.4Gw@apollo.hp.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 18:08:59 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA I'm looking for some inexpensive (free:-) sw to do simply OCR and also something to generate presentation slides. I looked at sonato and didn't see anything. Did I miss some? Does anyone have any recommendations? /dan ganek ganek@apollo.hp.com
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Net Boot problems under 3.1?? Date: 2 Jul 1993 19:46:15 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2123a7INN5qd@clem.handheld.com> I've heard one report of netboot failing to work under 3.1 on black hardware. I currently run 3.0, and have two "diskless" (one has a swap disk) workstations that rely on netboot for thier very existance! Before I upgrade (the developer packages FINALLY arrived) I would like some feedback from any other netter's out there that have either had it fail, or succeed! Thanks, Jim -- jmd@handheld.com
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: [rtf] BUG FIX: Gateway2000 incompatability fix for model 4DX2-66V Date: 2 Jul 1993 23:45:10 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <212ha6$pn1@menudo.uh.edu> Enclosed is a PostScript file that explains the simple fix that will solve the keyboard/mouse problems with NEXTSTEP and the Gateway2000 4DX2-66V. This fix involves setting a jumper on the system board. This fix has been tested and confirmed. -- Paul S. 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From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: BUG FIX: Gateway2000 incompatability fix for model 4DX2-66V Date: 2 Jul 1993 23:45:26 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <212ham$pps@menudo.uh.edu> (The rtf version includes a PostScript document that has a diagram of the location jumper that needs to be changed) Gateway2000 4DX2-66V Fix This the "official" fix from Gateway2000 concerning the problem with installing and running NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors version 3.1. The cause of the problem was that the PS2Mouse driver and the PS2Keyboard driver would not work with the newer versions of the BIOS that Micronics started shipping with a revised system board. Mainly it concerned the new Gateway ROM BIOS PLUS Version 0.10 GJX30-05E (but it also works for the earlier GJX30 versions). For NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors Release 3.1 to install correctly, the new Gateways V-Series systems must have the PS2 style keyboard jumper ENABLED. This jumper is not documented in the Gateway2000 Manuals as the PS2 style keyboard jumper, instead it is listed as W7 - "Reserved". Gateway ships these systems with the jumper disabled, and usually recommends leaving the jumper disabled for use with system and keyboard drivers. However, ou must change the W7 jumper to the "on" position (you will need to find a jumper to use or locate a spare one). The W7 jumper is located right next to the W40 jumper on the motherboard. See the diagram below. Micronics (Motherboard OEM for Gateway) is currently running NEXTSTEP on a new Gateway with the W7 jumper changed. This setup has worked with both serial and bus mice. NeXT's Quality Assurance group is testing this fix now. [This has been tested and verified at the University of Houston with the GJX30-01D verion of the BIOS.] **** The PS2Mouse driver must be loaded for this to work. If [and only if!!] you followed my earlier installation notes, you were told to remove the PS2Mouse driver from the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table which was in the line "Boot Drivers". A simple way to do this is to run the Configure.app located in /NextApps and click on "save". The configure.app will automatically add the PS2Mouse driver to the Instance0.table file. Powerdown, then add the jumper and reboot. No need to mess with the turbo switch or anything, it should come up in NEXTSTEP automatically. To quickly verify if your keyboard will work, check if the NUM-Lock LED is off. If it is not, then your keyboard WILL NOT work. The W7 jumper is located next to the first LocalBus slot near the right-back end of the system board. This diagram is for the Desktop configuration only. The jumper may be located in a different location if you have a tower case. -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <C9KDBM.HGz.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: <1993Jun30.121016.4444@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <1993Jul1.155706.3448@imani.cam.org> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1993 00:57:22 GMT In article <1993Jul1.155706.3448@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: >What if you have bought 1 (licence, whatever...) copy of Mesa? (no gratuitous >plug here. I'm just trying to get David Pollak to clear this out for all of us >from his law-degree throne. 8^) I mayself did 3 years of law school, but I >didn't stick around for the degree) Could you have 20 machines running it over >the net simultaneously? Even in -NXHost mode (on a single machine, however >impractical that might be)? > >I think not! Really? I'll have to check the wording of the Mesa license. My default assumption would be that as long all the copies of the program were running on ONE machine's CPU, and you had a license for that machine, everything is kosher. (Note that this is really an academic argument for me, as for the forseeable future I've only got one NeXTstep-capable machine on my home net, and -NXHost over SLIP is a dog.) -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Help with NeXT Message-ID: <C9KtCx.M1@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <211r4a$gca@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1993 06:43:45 GMT In article <211r4a$gca@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> mmlee@athena.mit.edu (Mark M Lee) writes: #2. Is there NS for alpha? Will there be one? No. Ask DEC to ask NeXT to do a port. # #3. I borrowed an NeXT CD ROM drive from a friend, and I tried to run #the CD Player app. I followed the instruction to setup my system; #however, I don't hear any music coming out..... Did you connect speakers to the CD? You don't get the sound from the NeXT. CD_Player.app is just a controller for a CD-ROM drive. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <1993Jul3.145555.3439@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <C9KDBM.HGz.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1993 14:55:55 GMT In article <C9KDBM.HGz.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes: > In article <1993Jul1.155706.3448@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > >What if you have bought 1 (licence, whatever...) copy of Mesa? (no > >plug here. I'm just trying to get David Pollak to clear this out for all of > >us from his law-degree throne. 8^) I mayself did 3 years of law school, but > >I didn't stick around for the degree) Could you have 20 machines running it > >over the net simultaneously? Even in -NXHost mode (on a single machine, > > however impractical that might be)? > > > >I think not! > > Really? I'll have to check the wording of the Mesa license. My > default assumption would be that as long all the copies of the program > were running on ONE machine's CPU, and you had a license for that > machine, everything is kosher. Let's think about this. The licence indicates what you _can_ do, not what is forbidden. Technically, the fact that you need to copy the program in memory might be considered by some computer-illiterate judge to be unallowed copying (Big, I know, but I'm trying to make a point.). Licences have just started allowing people to have copies of the soft on more than one machine, as long as only one is used at any given time (i.e. home and work machine, or desk and portable units, etc...). They can even forbid you from transferring it. NS/i's licence would need to state that you can run more than one computer from one copy (licence). Mesa would need to, too. Otherwise, this is obviously contrary to the spirit, if not the letter of the licence. Software licences are restrictive by nature, and are interpreted that way (i.e. to protect the copyright holder's interest [please no FSF flame. I'm stating this, not saying it's good]). By netbooting more than one machine off a single licence, you'd be as illegal as if you'd directly copied it on every hard drive it's running on over the net. The 3.0 Moto licence states "licence too use the NeXTSTEP software on only one computer at a time" (p. 53), which seems to adress this very issue directly. The NS/i licence should have a similar clause, if not an exact reproduction. Netbooting should be seen as a way of reducing hardware demands, not software. Just like plain networking... As far as running more than one copy of soft on the same machine, unless it is expressly allowed, no can't do... Check the licence, it should state something like "NeXT grants you a personal, non-exclusive [others can use it as much as you are allowed to, under your control. My comment] licence to use the NeXT...". Applied to corporations, this would grant individuals the right to use the soft, not a complete entreprise. Others could come over to your machine and un it there, or even run it from theirs over the net, but they couldn't do so if you were already running it. In addition, the "one computer" clause above could be applied by saying that the app, while not executing on the local machine but on a remote host, has parts (i.e. visual code) being used on your machine (i.e. what is sent the windowserver on your machine to have it display there), therefore falling under it's scope. Also, the act of copying the interface of the app on your screen without having a licence might in itself be enough (i.e. not a la Apple vs MS kind of interface suit, but in the plain old "you copied my interface", and in this case it being totally similar...). Hope this clears it for everyone. Don't hesitate to flame. I like it hot! ;8^/ BTW This is _NOT_ legal advice, just answers to questions. Don't hold me responsible for _anything_ that happens in any way related to it. Also, the fact that I'm adding this disclaimer is _NOT_ admission that it should have been included in previous posts, but simply the express stating of the implied obvious. Ciao > (Note that this is really an academic argument for me, as for the > forseeable future I've only got one NeXTstep-capable machine on my > home net, and -NXHost over SLIP is a dog.) > -- > Doug DeJulio > ddj+@cmu.edu -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gmecchia@hop.Princeton.EDU () Subject: NeXTSTEP 486 mentioned in Futures magazine Message-ID: <1993Jul3.214039.29887@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1993 21:40:39 GMT Hi, "Futures" magazine, a publication for futures traders, just published a special issue: "1993 Guide to Computerized Trading". In its two page introduction editorial, it provides an overview of hardware and software. In a crescendo, it describes the different Intel family of microprocessors, DOS 6.0, Windows, Windows NT, OS/2, and lastly, NeXTSTEP 486. Excerpts follow: "NeXTSTEP for the rest of us. Another contender for the PC desktop operating system market is NeXTSTEP 486, also to be released this summer. NeXT Computer announced earlier this year it was abandoning the computer hardware business and would concentrate on selling software, where its real expertise lies. NeXTSTEP version 3.0 is a mature UNIX-based operating system that currently runs on NeXT's own workstation hardware. The 486 version promises to bring the powerful operating system to PC users. NeXTSTEP is object oriented, which means programmers can use software code written, tested and debugged by others rather than re-inventing the same wheel over and over again, thus reducing the time it takes to develop a program from scratch. In squaring off against operating system giant Microsoft, NeXT is making a bet-the-company gamble that the benefits offered by its integrated object-oriented environment will overcome the massive momentum DOS-Windows currently enjoys. Indeed, several large corporations have signed on. Also, the operating system is a hit with traders because they can develop proprietary trading programs much more quickly than with other computers (see "Rebel with a Cause: Steve Jobs' NeXT Challenge," Futures, October 199 2)." Alexis Rzewski gmecchia@princeton.edu
From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <21510u$ebg@tamsun.tamu.edu> Control: cancel <21510u$ebg@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 1993 19:51:24 -0500 Organization: tamu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2159ic$o80@tamsun.tamu.edu> <21510u$ebg@tamsun.tamu.edu> was cancelled from within trn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: is TECOR afloat? Message-ID: <oorient.741780535@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 10:08:55 GMT e-mailed info@tecor.com and the mail bounced. Are they still in business? Thanks Piotr Palacz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: WordPerfect Corporation Releases WordPerfect for NEXTSTEP Date: Sun, 4 Jul 93 07:58:54 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul4.075854.16575@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <1993Jul3.003525.10010@digifix.com> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <1993Jul3.003525.10010@digifix.com> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > WORDPERFECT CORPORATION > > Contact: Paul D. Eddington > (801) 228-5006 > Fax: (801) 228-5077 > > > WORDPERFECT CORPORATION RELEASES WORDPERFECT FOR NEXTSTEP [...] > The program disks include multiple File Allocation Tables ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > (FAT) allowing WordPerfect for NEXTSTEP to run on NEXTSTEP for ^^^^^ > Motorola-based proprietary machines as well as Intel-based 486 and > Pentium personal computers. NEXTSTEP for Intel was introduced last > month at NeXTWORLD EXPO in San Francisco. [...] They *do* come from the PC. That's FAT BINARIES, boys! Nothing to do with Billie-Babies File Allocation Table stuff. Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rice@imag.fr (Jonathan Rice) Subject: NSFIP on Compudyne or ZEOS Systems? Message-ID: <C9nDtv.64A@imag.fr> Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 16:01:07 GMT Would anyone have any advice on the suitability of NSFIP for 486DX systems from Compudyne or Zeos? Has anyone installed it on such systems yet? Two specific questions I'm interested in: 1. How compatible are the video cards included on these manufacturers' standard systems? The Zeos ad I have here talks of their local bus "Viper" card, while Compudyne is very vague about their card, not specifying its architecture or max colours. 2. Zeos offer optional on-board SCSI for $49, in the shape of an Adaptec SCSI chip. Is this likely to work with NS? I seem to remember some discussion here recently of some other machine whose on-boad SCSI would not work (yet). Thanks, -- Jonathan o----------------------------o------------------------o | Jonathan Rice | Laboratoire ARTEMIS | o----------------------------o Institut IMAG | | Email: rice@dingo.imag.fr | B.P. 53 | | Phone: (33) 76 63 58 80 | 38041 GRENOBLE Cedex 9 | | Fax: (33) 76 63 84 23 | FRANCE | o----------------------------o------------------------o -- o----------------------------o------------------------o | Jonathan Rice | Laboratoire ARTEMIS | o----------------------------o Institut IMAG | | Email: rice@imag.fr | B.P. 53 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) Subject: Re: is TECOR afloat? Message-ID: <hketola.741802760@uclagsm> References: <oorient.741780535@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Date: 4 Jul 93 09:20:43 PDT oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) writes: > e-mailed info@tecor.com and the mail bounced. >Are they still in business? >Thanks >Piotr Palacz TECOR is out if business, unfortunately. If TECOR owes you money, I can provide you with the name of the lawyer handling TECOR's case. Heikki Ketola hketola@sms-usa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Subject: Combi-boards ( EISA + VLB) Does they work with NS FIP 3.1? Message-ID: <1993Jul4.170908.5082@marcon.ka.sub.org> Sender: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Organization: Marinos EDV - Consulting Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 17:09:08 GMT Hi folks, for my own PC I want to use an EISA + VLB motherboard to get maximum performance. I've heard a lot about the MICRONICS EISA + VLB motherboard. Now I have one question: DOES IT REALLY WORK ? I tested another combi board and I had the problem that NS didn't recognize the VLB ATI Ultra Pro. When running with an ATI Ultra Pro EISA version no problems occured, but this was in PR2. What BIOS version is needed to run the MOCRONICS combi board without problems? Thank You for your help Stathis -- Marinos EDV - Consulting | NEXTSTEP Software and Consulting Services Evstathios Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 76133 Karlsruhe (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: BoinkOut sounds in 3.1 (Black) Message-ID: <C9nyw5.B88@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 23:36:04 GMT Don't think I heard this mentioned yet. They moved the .snd files out of the binary for 3.1. Only problem is, the two sound files "bricks.snd" and "magic.snd" are messed up. I could not even inspect them with any sound editing tool. My fix: Remove 3.1 version, and bring back 3.0 version. :) Michael
From: winch@stein.u.washington.edu (John Winchester) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help building Lemacs under NS 2.1? Keywords: lemacs Message-ID: <215gae$idm@news.u.washington.edu> Date: 4 Jul 93 02:46:38 GMT Article-I.D.: news.215gae$idm Organization: University of Washington, Seattle I would greatly appreciate it if anybody who has successfully built and installed Lemacs 19.6 (or any version for that matter) would email me. I'm encountering some difficulties. Thanks for your time, John Winchester winch@geophys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: ATI VL-BUS GUPro Message-ID: <1993Jul5.051255.27278@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 05:12:55 GMT Is there anyone out there running NS/FIP 3.1 with this ATI card in 16-bit color? Is it fast, non-flaky? Would you recommend? If so, where could I get one cheap? Thanks. -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) Subject: Re: Open/Save panels Message-ID: <1993Jul5.074244.27734@fokus.gmd.de> Sender: news@fokus.gmd.de (News system) Organization: GMD-Fokus Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 07:42:44 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc article <209qcm$qif@nic.lth.se> you wrote: > > I have a small problem: All my open and save panels suddenly have only > one column in their browser -- which makes navigating through the file > system kinda not as easy as I'd like it to be ... I can't find any > dwrites that change the behaviour, and I don't remember what I did > that made them turn this way -- and resizing doesn't help either (not > even if I hold down any combination of modifier keys while I do so) > .... anyone help me, please ??? :-) > > best regards, and thanx in advance > > // Christian brunschen To remember: holding down ALTERNATE while resizing the panel keeps the number of rows in the browser. Try this: - Hold ALTERNATE - Resize panel to small size - Release ALTERNATE - Resize panel should increase number of rows Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Fischer @ GMD-Fokus -------- __o ------- _`\<,_ fischer@fokus.gmd.de ------- (*)/ (*) ## NeXT-Mail welcome ## ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: Merchandise Message-ID: <scott.741866409@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 10:00:09 GMT I really like the look of the Black jacket that is in the 3.1 merchandise brochure...if anyone has one, or can tell me more about it, like what it feels like (does it feel like a "windbreaker" that sort of instant water repelling nylon, or is it softer?) I'd appreciate it. What a geek i am.... Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
From: avery@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Avery Wang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Motorola 3.1 upgrades -- what is happening? Date: 5 Jul 1993 11:11:14 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <21928i$kp4@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Hi- I am out of the country this summer and haven't heard from NeXT regarding my 3.1 upgrade. I called in before the NW Expo to request upgrade information for 3.1. Back then the upgrade price was $99 for 3.0 owners. I guess my move to Europe on June 10th screwed them up. Is there an email address that I can reach them at to ask about how to follow up on this? I've also heard that the price of the upgrade has risen. What is the upgrade price now? And is there an academic price for the Motorola version of 3.1? Has 3.1/Motorola started shipping yet? These are questions that I guess have been asked, but my news server only archives a few days worth. Thanks in advance, Avery Wang Institut fuer Neuroinformatik (until September 1993, then back) Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum (to Stanford) ND 03/32, Postfach 10 21 48 44780 Bochum Germany Tel: +49-234-700-7994 (office) -7094-210 (Fax) email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu avery@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de
From: avery@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Avery Wang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Lower price (Re: 32/400 color NeXTStation for sale in Europe) Date: 5 Jul 1993 11:19:39 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <2192ob$l9s@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> I'm offering a lower suggested price of 7000DM for the machine I posted before. I would be happy to see some reasonable offers > I've arrived in Germany with my color NeXT and am looking to sell it. It is > used, in great shape, and even has some new parts (with some warranty left) > because of some swapping of equipment with my other NeXT. (I left my other > NeXT back in California.) I don't really need to own two NeXTs so I'm > selling this one.: > 25MHz 68040, (+ DSP, etc) > 32MB RAM, > 406MB internal HD, > 17" color monitor, > Sound Box, cables, etc. > manuals > assorted software (including Mathematica 2.0 license). > > 7500DM or best reasonable offer (make an offer!). If anyone in Europe is interested, please contact me at: Avery Wang Institut fuer Neuroinformatik (until September 1993, then back) Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum (to Stanford) ND 03/32, Postfach 10 21 48 44780 Bochum Germany Tel: +49-234-700-7994 (office) -7094-210 (Fax) email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu avery@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) Subject: Colorstation display speed Message-ID: <1993Jul5.100906.5922@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 10:09:06 GMT There have been a couple postings reporting benchmark results that show that the Colorstations' graphics performance is significantly slower than normal NeXTStations, which makes sense, since they have that many more bits per pixel to push around. But what about graphics performance for Colorstations in applications that don't use color? Is text display in Terminal, for instance, slower on a Colorstation than on the greyscale machines? Or does each application/window only use as many bits as needed, allowing its graphics display to be as fast as on the non-Colorstations? Or is there a way to make it do so? Any answers or experiences would be appreciated. I'm considering buying a Colorstation, but want to make sure my normal non-color work isn't slowed. Thanks, - Trent Lange
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fyr@ubszh.net.ch Subject: Re: Austrian VAD Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <fyr.93Jul5131055@nol512> Sender: usenet@ubszh.net.ch (news) Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland References: <1993Jul1.082452.5681@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 12:10:55 GMT > Hi all, > I'd really need to know the address (email, or phone number) of the Austrian > Distributor. I thing there's a VAD called "Hard & Soft", but from here is really > hard to obtain his address ... > > Thank you in advance > Michele > > As I know there are just three official VAS's in Europe at the moment: Switzerland: ANDES Germany: Computer2000 and d'Art Roger --- Union Bank of Switzerland Roger P. Frey LHIS/LHDD-FYR Flurstrasse 68 CH-8048 Zurich Switzerland phone: +41 1 236 60 52 fax: +41 1 236 86 08 RFC822: fyr@ubszh.net.ch (NeXT-Mail ok) X.400: roger.frey@zh001.ubs.ubs.arcom.ch
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What programs are available... Date: 5 Jul 1993 15:51:44 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <219img$kk1@hermes.athena.com> References: <218feo$5ep@news.cerf.net> In article <218feo$5ep@news.cerf.net> kehoe@fortuity.sf.ca.us (Daniel Miles Kehoe) writes: > > Athena Design, Inc. > Mesa--A straightforward spreadsheet in the Lotus 1-2-3 tradition. It > handles 1-2-3 and Excel files, including all formulas, and reads most > 1-2-3 macros but won't let you create your own. There's no Undo key, but > there are some nifty shortcuts you won't find in 1-2-3 or Microsoft Excel. > Also connects to SQL databases. Rated 3.5 cubes in NeXTWORLD (Feb/Mar > 1993). [NC $395] > Mesa Sunrise--A junior version of Mesa, without features such as SQL > access. Demos available from archives at cs.orst.edu, > ftp.cica.indiana.edu, and athena.com. > Boston, MA > 617-734-6372 > info@athena.com > Just to clear up some problems in the above description of Mesa: While Mesa is easy to use, especially for those accustomed to Excel or 1-2-3, it is not a basic product. With the exception of Undo, it has every feature available on every traditional spreadsheet available for NEXTSTEP. It is has the richest set of features available on any NEXTSTEP spreadsheet. Mesa reads all 1-2-3 macros, and executes most of them. Mesa will allow you to create your own 1-2-3 macros (and it always has!). Mesa's 1-2-3 macro capabilities are complete, not simply limited to the 10% of macro commands accessible via bracket macro statements. Mesa also has a powerful scripting language (MScript) which allows the users to program Mesa to perform many functions. One of our users has built an entire double-entry accounting system in Mesa using MScript. Mesa is the only NEXTSTEP spreadsheet that ships with an Object Library (MOLI Mesa Object Library Interface). This allows custom apps to include complete spreadsheet functionality with little work on the part of the programmer. Mesa even has palletized spreadsheet and graph objects. Third party applications (including TimeScape and DBInspector) take advantage of MOLI to enhance the performance and functionality of these applications. In addition, mission critical custom applications (including apps built by Systemhouse's Object Technology Center) are using MOLI to speed development and increase functionality. Mesa also supports AddIn Object Modules that allow custom programmers to add functionality to Mesa. Examples of AddIn Object Modules include: real time stock feeds (Mesa is the ONLY NEXTSTEP spreadsheet that can handle real time stock feeds), data feeds from telephone switching equipment, medical instrument monitoring and reporting, an interface to Mathematica to facilitate the performance of complex mathematics on spreadsheet data, and much more. Mesa is a well-behaved NEXTSTEP application supporting drag and drop color, patterns and fonts. Mesa accepts data dragged and dropped from Stone Design's DataPhile. Mesa also supports drag and drop menu commands, SQL queries, scripts, macros, reports, etc. Mesa has a visual report builder that is the most powerful and flexible of any available for any spreadsheet in the world. In addition, while other spreadsheets are limited to one pre-defined report per spreadsheet, Mesa supports an unlimited number of named reports in each spreadsheet. Mesa is also the fastest NEXTSTEP spreadsheet. On the NeXTWORLD spreadsheet benchmark, Mesa is 30 times faster than Improv and 4 times faster than a beta of Solution. Mesa is 100 times faster than Questor and users remark that Mesa blows WingZ away in terms of performance. As you can see, Mesa is feature-rich. The version of Mesa refered to in the above piece is the first version of Mesa. We released Mesa 1.5 at Expo. The only spreadsheet in the world that is arguably more powerful or feature-rich than Mesa is Microsoft Excel. In terms of its SQL access capabilities and its Object interfaces (MOLI and AddIn Object Modules), Mesa is the most powerful spreadsheet in the world on any platform. Mesa is also the best selling NEXTSTEP spreadsheet. Most of the largest NEXTSTEP customers are using Mesa. Athena Design is committed to NEXTSTEP. We demonstrated this by being the first commercially shipping NEXTSTEP/Intel product. We have been upgrading Mesa continually. Mesa comes with one year of free upgrades, so even our first customers are using the latest version of Mesa with no upgrade costs. Athena Design backs Mesa with unlimited technical support (for commercial customers only) via both telephone and e-mail. Our tech support team has been called the best in the business (one of the Best of Breed Community Service award winners told me that he was going to make sure that all his other software vendors gave the same high quality level of technical support as Athena Design does.) It's no wonder that Athena Design won the Best of Breed award for Mesa. We have the best spreadsheet product available and we back it with top quality technical support. We also care about folks in education by offering an 80% discount on Mesa to educational customers. Thanks. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Boris <Boris@Dylan.demon.co.uk> Subject: HELP! NEED HELP - WONT BOOT Message-ID: <C9p958.x5@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@demon.co.uk Organization: BorMak Tech (Software consultants & Network Specialists) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 16:15:06 GMT Hiya Folks, I need YOUR help. We just got hold of a Next Cube but we can't get it to work.(thats why it was given to us!) As far as we know, the machine is basically okay inside, just we need the boot disks!(simple enough) The machine specs are as follows; Model N1000 Cude System Release 1.0 System Software Mach/Unix It has one of them natty likkle optical drives in it, for booting I guess. The machine worked once a few months ago but died for no apparent reason. It was sitting in a store room for 3 years, brought into the world thorgh idle curiosity, died, shelved, scrapped (redirected to yours truly). It would be a sin to let the machine rot. PLEASE, SOMEBODY, HELP ME TO GET IT TO WORK! ANY HELP/HINTS/POINTERS(HANDLES?)>???? Where do I get system software? Can I get copies...send them to me...I'll pay charges obviously. HELP! HELP HELP HELP HELP! Lots of Peace, Love and Good Happiness Stuff Boris XXXxxxXXX
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: BoinkOut sounds in 3.1 (Black) Message-ID: <1993Jul5.190615.5307@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <C9nyw5.B88@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 19:06:15 GMT In article <C9nyw5.B88@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > > Don't think I heard this mentioned yet. > > They moved the .snd files out of the binary for 3.1. Only problem is, the > two sound files "bricks.snd" and "magic.snd" are messed up. I could not > even inspect them with any sound editing tool. > > My fix: Remove 3.1 version, and bring back 3.0 version. :) > > Michael They are fine on my machine (NSC with 3.1) - I was able to double click on the .snd files and get Sound.app and play the sounds. (I also have the full 3.1 developer installed.) -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Combi-boards ( EISA + VLB) Does they work with NS FIP 3.1? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jul05.204754.27803@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1993 20:47:54 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jul4.170908.5082@marcon.ka.sub.org> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jul4.170908.5082@marcon.ka.sub.org>, emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) writes: |> Hi folks, |> |> for my own PC I want to use an EISA + VLB motherboard to get maximum |> performance. I've heard a lot about the MICRONICS EISA + VLB motherboard. |> |> Now I have one question: DOES IT REALLY WORK ? Don't know about the Micronics one, but I have an AIR EISA, VLB motherboard, (just picked it up Friday) and the system works just great. (AMI 1.1 EISA BIOS) Best thing you can do is, simply get the dealer to allow you to do a test install. The little company I bought my system let me do this. They were very understanding, as I explained to them they were dealing with NeXTSTEP, and not just DOS/Windows.... |> |> I tested another combi board and I had the problem that NS didn't recognize the |> VLB ATI Ultra Pro. When running with an ATI Ultra Pro EISA version no problems |> occured, but this was in PR2. |> Hmmmmm.... I don't have my ATI VLB card yet. Should be here by the end of the week. Till then, I'm running a Tseng4000 Diamond Speedstar. I'll let you know how it works out... |> Thank You for your help |> |> Stathis |> -- |> Marinos EDV - Consulting | NEXTSTEP Software and Consulting Services |> Evstathios Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 |> Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 |> 76133 Karlsruhe (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Colorstation display speed Message-ID: <1993Jul5.160936.9810@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Jul5.100906.5922@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 16:09:36 GMT In article <1993Jul5.100906.5922@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes: > There have been a couple postings reporting benchmark results that show > that the Colorstations' graphics performance is significantly slower than > normal NeXTStations, which makes sense, since they have that many more > bits per pixel to push around. > > But what about graphics performance for Colorstations in applications that > don't use color? Is text display in Terminal, for instance, slower on a > Colorstation than on the greyscale machines? Or does each application/window > only use as many bits as needed, allowing its graphics display to be as > fast as on the non-Colorstations? Or is there a way to make it do so? > > Any answers or experiences would be appreciated. I'm considering buying a > Colorstation, but want to make sure my normal non-color work isn't slowed. > > Thanks, > > - Trent Lange Windows do only use as much depth as needed. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) Subject: Re: Austrian VAD Keywords: European VAD References: <fyr.93Jul5131055@nol512> Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 08:09:30 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul6.080930.5039@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> fyr@ubszh.net.ch writes > As I know there are just three official VAS's in Europe at the moment: > Switzerland: ANDES > Germany: Computer2000 and d'Art Thank to those who have responded ... To Roger: I don't really know if Hard&Soft is a VAD, but there's a VAD in Italy, Intersoft, as well as in France (I don't remember the name). I think there should be one VAD in almost every European country. Could someone post a complete list of the European VADs (Conrad ???) ?? It could be useful. Ciao Michele > Roger > > > --- > Union Bank of Switzerland > Roger P. Frey > LHIS/LHDD-FYR > Flurstrasse 68 > CH-8048 Zurich > Switzerland > phone: +41 1 236 60 52 > fax: +41 1 236 86 08 > RFC822: fyr@ubszh.net.ch (NeXT-Mail ok) > X.400: roger.frey@zh001.ubs.ubs.arcom.ch -- Giardini Michele - So here I am once more (Marillion) - Computer Science Department State University of Milan - Coordinator of NeXT2You (The Italian NeXT User Group) Via Comelico 39/41 - 20135 Milano Tel. +39 2 55006385 Fax +39 2 55006373 Email: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (NeXT mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: kbacon@austin.onu.edu (C0d3 M0n$t3r) Subject: Re: Combi-boards ( EISA + VLB) Does they work with NS FIP 3.1? Sender: usenet@austin.onu.edu (Network News owner) Message-ID: <1993Jul6.172312.21128@austin.onu.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 17:23:12 GMT References: <1993Jul4.170908.5082@marcon.ka.sub.org> Organization: Ohio Northern University Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Evstathios Marinos (emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org) wrote: : Hi folks, : for my own PC I want to use an EISA + VLB motherboard to get maximum : performance. I've heard a lot about the MICRONICS EISA + VLB motherboard. : Now I have one question: DOES IT REALLY WORK ? I have a MINI-NICE EISA + VLB motherboard running w/the ATI Ultra Pro VLB version, and have had no problems other then accessing the floppies, but that is another story...:) If you need details of the board, e-mail. Kyle C. Bacon kbacon@gauss.onu.edu (NeXTMail accepted) : Stathis : -- : Marinos EDV - Consulting | NEXTSTEP Software and Consulting Services : Evstathios Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 : Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 : 76133 Karlsruhe (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad) Subject: Is there a list of all software that run or will run on NEXTSTEP for INTEL? Message-ID: <1993Jul6.183231.12393@alf.uib.no> Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Tue, 6 Jul 93 18:32:31 GMT Is there a list of all software that run or will run on NEXTSTEP for INTEL? If yes, the list should be posted in c.s.n.announce. Eystein Dugstad University of Bergen, Norway
From: warrior@pindar.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Charles M. Dudley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FYI Date: 6 Jul 1993 20:36:33 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <21cnoh$3pt@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Keywords: NeXT ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* Michigan NeXT Users' Group meeting this Thursday, 8 July, at 6:00 pm in the Tap Room of the Michigan Union. Come one, come all. Topics: IFS support for NeXT's, Future placement of NeXT boxes, Question and Answer, Agenda for August and September meetings. ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L7')E9#!<9W)E96XP7&)L=64P M.WT*7'!A<F1<='@Q,30P7'1X,C,P,%QT>#,T-#!<='@T-C`P7'1X-3<V,%QT M>#8Y,#!<='@X,#8P7'1X.3(P,%QT>#$P,S8P7'1X,3$U,C!<9C!<8C!<:3!< M=6PP7&9S,C1<9F,P("HJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BI<"BHJ*BHJ*BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BI<"BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BI<"EP*36EC M:&EG86X@3F585"!5<V5R<R<@1W)O=7`@;65E=&EN9R!T:&ES(%1H=7)S9&%Y M+"`X($IU;'DL7`IA="`V.C`P('!M(&EN('1H92!487`@4F]O;2!O9B!T:&4@ M36EC:&EG86X@56YI;VXN("!#;VUE(&]N92P@8V]M92!A;&PN7`I4;W!I8W,Z M($E&4R!S=7!P;W)T(&9O<B!.95A4)W,L($9U='5R92!P;&%C96UE;G0@;V8@ M3F585"!B;WAE<RQ<"B`@("`@("`@475E<W1I;VX@86YD($%N<W=E<BP@06=E M;F1A(&9O<B!!=6=U<W0@86YD(%-E<'1E;6)E<B!M965T:6YG<RY<"EP**BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*EP**BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*EP* M*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ ;*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*BHJ*EP*"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Got any Microphone scripts? Message-ID: <1993Jul06.181146.1125@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1993 18:11:46 GMT I've been playing with Microphone II for a few weeks and it is the greatest! Of course this means I'm now spending megabux shipping soundbytes back and forth to California. And so far I can only dial out to my buddy's computer. Looking at Microphone's scripting language it seems like not such a problem to write a BBS script and allow dialin. So my question(s) is(are) does anyone have such a script? How about any other cool scripts to make my modem a little more useful? Send me a script and I'll send you a stupid soundbyte (please specify Lost In Space, Ren & Stimpy, Dragnet, Beavis & Butthead or other) -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com 212-513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\) -<-@
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kunal@passion.pilot.dmg.ml.com (Kunal Singh) Subject: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> Sender: kunal@passion (Kunal Singh) Organization: Merrill Lynch Debt Markets Group Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 14:57:28 GMT Has anyone successfully used this application ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.mac.hardware From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!trey (Trey McClendon) Subject: Need Recommendations on a video analysis solution Message-ID: <1993Jul6.194913.1616@tybrin4.uucp> Sender: trey@tybrin4.uucp (Trey McClendon) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation, Huntsville AL Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 19:49:13 GMT Hi you Multimedia Fans, I have been asked to research solutions for analyzing video tape frame by frame in order to determine trajectories and speeds of objects on tape. Our office currently uses NeXTstations and PCs on Windows or NEXTSTEP, so NEXTSTEP/DOS/WINDOWS solutions are preferred. But, if there is a compelling reason to use a Mac or an Amiga, let me hear it. Are there any NeXTDimension fans out there that could provide info? How about the Amiga Toaster? How about this Video Spigot that I heard mentioned back in the nebulous past? Information that I'd like would be about software, hardware (cards, cables), and any other equipment that is needed. For example, would a standard VCR work? Seems like it, but I don't know for sure. I suppose there should be some sort of time keeping that is precise enough to make position and velocity estimation based on change in position from frame to frame. Please email directly to me at: tybrin4!trey@sci34hub.sci.com as I don't get many of these groups. thanks in advance, Trey McClendon TYBRIN Corporation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Help, I need overhead projectors Message-ID: <1993Jul6.204618.728@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 20:46:18 GMT This is a request for help. I have a presentation to 50 people in the Houston Medical Center in less than two weeks. The original expected turnout was much smaller. For the demonstration we were going to have two machines doing things back and forth, and were going to split the group of 25 -30 people so that each group could semi-particpate. Now with 50 expected people, that is not going to be possible. This is the call for help. I understand the there is an LCD display that can be put on an overhead and then projected. If anyone out there has one, and is willing to rent it out, please let me know. All help is greatly appreciated. One machine will be a Color Turbo, and the other is a Mono Station. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com (713) 827-2650 -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Help on installing HD NEEDED - WREN 8. Message-ID: <1993Jul7.005034.12532@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 00:50:34 GMT I'm trying to install a WREN 8 ST41650N drive on my CUBE. Is there anyway to reformat the drive to use 1024byte sector?? Any comment are welcome, Thanks in advance. Andy
From: scip2037@nusunix.nus.sg (CHENG JANG THYE) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP on IBM ValuePoint Date: 7 Jul 1993 01:55:34 GMT Organization: National University of Singapore Message-ID: <21daem$2sa@nuscc.nus.sg> Hi, Has anyone of you got NeXTSTEP running on IBM ValuePoint PCs? Well, I understand from the Compatibility Guide that one would need a driver update if he wants to get a resolution higher than standard VGA. I believe the driver update is supposed to be out in July. In any case, if any of you have successfully configured a ValuePoint PC to run NeXTSTEP, I would appreciate if you could send me the specifications of all the components used. Thank you and have a nice day, Jang Thye
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Electronic App Wrapper Message-ID: <1993Jul7.032336.22039@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 7 Jul 93 03:23:36 GMT People have been wondering where the 2nd EAW was. Well, mine arrived in the mail today. And might I add its a superb job; great art, great music, more demos and brochures, and _much_ faster than the first EAW. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!trey (Trey McClendon) Subject: Digital Librarian losing the Circle-I ! Message-ID: <1993Jul6.215639.2054@tybrin4.uucp> Sender: trey@tybrin4.uucp (Trey McClendon) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation, Huntsville AL Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 21:56:39 GMT Ok, I give up on this one. For the last few months I've noticed that Digital Librarian loses the 'I' indication of begin indexed. It happens on multi-target bookshelves, single-target bookshelves, search-in or not. Other users on the network do not have this problem. It is baffling. Sometimes, I can press 'Update' and it will start updating, although I have no permission to do so. Pressing 'Stop' then 'Setup' might, after saying OK to the 'You don't have permission to set up' panel, turn the 'I' back on. I've restarted from a clean slate many times, dragging the target folders to the shelf. The 'I' will be visible and it will work. The next day, nothing will work. Any ideas? Trey tybrin4!trey@sci34hub.sci.com
Message-ID: <lp$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 93 23:43:02 MDT From: erikp@digaudio.byu.edu (Erik Peterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSI 486 Install Problems ----------------- NeXTSTEP 486 Installation problems ----------------------- I'm having problems installing NSI on my system. I get to the prompt: Ready to install NEXTSTEP Type 1 to start. Type 2 to quit: ---> I type 1 and shortly get repeating " Intr, dropping IRQ 7" Then messages then say something about "I/O errror" and "Cannot initialize hard disk". I also get Keyboard and MouseInit Failures. The system I'm using is as follows: 486DX-50 (NICE motherboard, AMI BIOS) 8MB RAM BusLogic 542 SCSI card Texel CD ROM IDE 322MB Maxtor HDD ( The FDISK utility reports the following inconsistancy: Device 322 MB Bios 321 MB ) For some reason it doesn't seem to be properly recognizing my hard disk. I don't know where the IRQ 7 business is comming from either. Thanks for your help! Erik Home: (801) 375-7081
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) Subject: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? In-Reply-To: <21brkc$cjo@menudo.uh.edu> Message-ID: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Keywords: broken garbage non-responsive company chapter 11 Sender: mindvox@mindvox.phantom.com (MindVox) Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 05:36:05 GMT To whom it may concern, presuming of course that anyone ever reads these words at NeXT and does anything more than shrug and get on with their life. Yoo Hoo. I know that NeXT LOVES its customers, especially the new Intel customers who have gone out on a limb to purchase NeXSTEP and evaluate it for future use and recommendation to clients. So I'm sure it must be that NeXT just hasn't seen the slew of posts that crosses these newsgroups on a daily basis regarding the serial port drivers, or LACK of serial port drivers, (the built-in crash and hang the system feature). I find it extremely annoying to first be influenced to evaluate an operating system I have heard nothing but praise for, from a corporation I have heard nothing but horror stories about (that's YOU NeXT), and then to be swayed to try it by gung-ho groups of evangelists who infest MindVox. Congratulations NeXT, judging by the number of rants in the local Forums on Vox you have at least 20 idiots who have purchased your OS and are now stuck. This is the tail end of the 20th century, NETWORKING is very important, people need to hook their computers together and use them to access other computers. They can't do this with NeXTSTEP 3.1 because the serial drivers DO NOT WORK. I'm sure that 3.2 will be a grand masterpiece that rights wrongs and fixes everything that was ever wrong (and there are at least 30 little gripes that come to mind ranging from the washed out appearance of the JAWS and ATI drivers, on systems that display rich and vivid color under Windows, to the countless little details that don't quite work). I am willing to accept all of this in the "beta" public release. What is utterly and absolutely unacceptable is selling an OS that CANNOT be used with a modem and then ignoring the constant cries of outrage. What may I ask is the problem? Does it take the greatest minds on earth years of time to write a serial port driver for a 486? A feat that countless very small corporations seem to have great success with. NeXT, FIX THIS and make it available SOON, as in SOONER than you are thinking about since you have apparently decided its OK to ignore this "minor" oversight. It really is very difficult to appreciate the wonder of NeXTSTEP from a machine that is crashing every 45 minutes. It is equally difficult to even suggest to anyone half-serious about getting any work done, that NeXTSTEP is a viable alternative. Thank you ever so much for your attention, a customer, Joseph Mercke, Vice President, Artek Technologies.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Taking the plunge Message-ID: <DEAN.93Jul7014344@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: comp Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 06:43:44 GMT Hi, The $299 promo is too good to pass up. I've always longed for the Cube, but couldn't bring myself to shell out for it. Now I'll buy some 486 stuff and if it doesn't work out, I'll have a shit hot games machine for DOS/Windows. I'm about to bite for : Gateway 2000 DX2 -66V 424 IDE hard drive (admittedly low disk) ATI VL-bus Graphics Ultra pro 17" Nanao 550i Gateway's CD-ROM player (Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16 [when money falls in my lap]) My questions: Is the Gateway CD acceptable at all to NextStep? Is it an adequate performer? I fear that NextStep won't recognise the CD at all because it isn't a SCSI device. Any assurances before I have them ship it would be great. They try to assure me that 30 days is fine with them, just send it bac. But I'd rather get it right first time. Also any suggestions about backup tapes that are supported with this system would be wonderful. Thanks. -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: deadboy@mindvox.phantom.com (The Dead) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <R1Za7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Keywords: broken garbage non-responsive company chapter 11 Sender: mindvox@mindvox.phantom.com (MindVox) Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system References: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 06:03:38 GMT artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: (of the Artek, Ardal and Amran family of consultants to Shysters, Thieves and Profiteers, and all around annoying group of people ;-) Pbbblt) > > To whom it may concern, presuming of course that anyone ever reads these > words at NeXT and does anything more than shrug and get on with their life. > > Yoo Hoo. I know that NeXT LOVES its customers, especially the new Intel > customers who have gone out on a limb to purchase NeXSTEP and evaluate it > for future use and recommendation to clients. So I'm sure it must be that > NeXT just hasn't seen the slew of posts that crosses these newsgroups on a > daily basis regarding the serial port drivers, or LACK of serial port > drivers, (the built-in crash and hang the system feature). > | Deleted, a lot of heat, unfortunately most of it justified. | NeXT, this is bullshit. It takes a not-very-long-time to write serial port drivers. If you can't handle it in-house, pay me and I'll deliver some that work within 3 days. Joseph is a putz, I can say that because my future employment will never hinge on him liking me. Sadly he's right, people. I *know* somebody who is not stupid is reading these words, and I know the reason serial port drivers that work haven't been released is because someone in marketing has his head up his ass and is wondering if the time is just perfect. Guys, I don't care that SoftPC slid, that various little itty bitty things that people I talked to said would be in NS FIP release edition, also slipped. But listen...... you are *not* going to have a great big blurb on NS3.2 that says "Now with Serial Port Drivers that Work!", its not a great big marketing bonanza to provide some very basic features that are supposed to work. Please pull it out, get your shit together, and release something that fixes this. I hate MS so I'm running OS/2 on my "White Hardware" and as time goes by I'm starting to like it. I hope I don't get to liking it *too much* peace and a lot of caffeine to at least semi-aware person to fix this shit. The Dead Shall Rise
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Tuesday, 6 Jul 1993 13:20:12 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93187.13201234II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <tlm.740942672@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Path: cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu!news.ysu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net! ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!scl1.al.iastate.edu!tlm From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <tlm.740942672@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:24:32 GMT Lines: 17 In <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) writes: > This is indeed a nice program, and written by a very nice guy, Jolly > Stein, but is there any hope someone will convert it to work with other > modems? Like maybe a Supra? (which I just happen to have :) To do such great feats with a modem, the modem must be "special." You see, the ZyXEL modem has specific features built-in for doing things with voice -- converting the voice into a data stream that can be manipulated (saved). Unless the Supra supports such a feature (and I don't belive it does -- in fact, I know of no other modems that do), then it would be impossible to convert "am" to work with it (or any other modem). Sorry... - John...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Keywords: broken garbage non-responsive company chapter 11 Sender: mindvox@mindvox.phantom.com (MindVox) Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system References: <R1Za7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 06:18:04 GMT deadboy@mindvox.phantom.com (The Dead) writes: > artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: > > (of the Artek, Ardal and Amran family of consultants to Shysters, Thieves > and Profiteers, and all around annoying group of people ;-) Pbbblt) > > > Joseph is a putz, I can say that because my future employment will > never hinge on him liking me. Sadly he's right, people. Sir this constitutes libel and defamation of character and is utterly uncalled for, especially from an individual who does not even use his name online and whose sole contribution appears to be a near-endless series of posts about drug use and programming obscure unix security tricks and methods of crashing computer networks. My lawyers will draft a formal response and deliver them to you care of MindVox, who I'm sure will be pleased to know they are accomplices to your attack upon my person. > I *know* somebody who is not stupid is reading these words, > know the reason serial port drivers that work haven't been released is > because someone in marketing has his head up his ass and is wondering if > the time is just perfect. I am not technically versed but this does not sound too far from being the truth on this topic and it is simply outrageous.
From: gmdst4+@pitt.edu (Gretchen M Dick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Services menu.... Message-ID: <15983@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 7 Jul 93 06:37:56 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: gmdst4@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu How do i remove unwanted Apps from the services menu? Thanks Gretchen -- Gretchen "Think's Mark needs his own account" Dick md3z@andrew.cmu.edu or gmdst4@pitt.edu Standard Disclaimers Apply
From: gmdst4+@pitt.edu (Gretchen M Dick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT 030 Cubes Message-ID: <15984@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 7 Jul 93 06:44:46 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: gmdst4@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu What is the relative preformace of a NeXT 030 cube vs a NeXT Mono Slab (non-turbo)? Is it merely a matter of MIPS or is Video and I/O affected also. Are there also Hardware limitations? Will some software not compile/work on the 030s? Thank you very much, Gretchen -- Gretchen "Think's Mark needs his own account" Dick md3z@andrew.cmu.edu or gmdst4@pitt.edu Standard Disclaimers Apply
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Date: 7 Jul 1993 00:02:38 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <21dseeINN37d@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> In article <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >This is the tail end of the 20th century, NETWORKING is very important, >people need to hook their computers together and use them to access other >computers. They can't do this with NeXTSTEP 3.1 because the serial >drivers DO NOT WORK. Are serial connections to printers likewise broken? I also can't imagine NeXT producing an operating system that can't communicate serially with a PostScript printer. I regularly telecommute via modem, and can't imagine working without such an option. Hearing about the NS/FIP serial port support is not good news indeed. One must have an open mind when diagnosing problems like this though. Could be hardware and/or software oriented. You seem to assume that it's just the software that's broken. We don't have all the answers yet. I have read at least 2 reports of successful serial port operation. Intermittent bugs with interrupt handlers is a real debugging problem, and a royal pain. It's the kind of stuff that make schedules slip, and drive programmers to change careers. Stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bcongdon@lotatg.lotus.com (Bob Congdon) Subject: Re: Lack of Docs in Dev3.1 (was 3.1 Developer MAB!) Message-ID: <C9r844.np@lotus.com> Sender: news@lotus.com Organization: Lotus Development References: <1993Jul2.020511.4590@milo.UUCP> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 17:48:03 GMT In article <1993Jul2.020511.4590@milo.UUCP> chris%milo@wpa.com (Chris Cleeland) writes: > In article <20p6ki$f6d@otter.mrj.com> dbbrown@otter.mrj.com (Dan > Brown) writes: > Is it just me, or was anybody else who got NS/I surprised to find out > that 3.1 for Black hardware DID NOT include the programming/reference > manuals? I could swear that I'd asked that question of several > NeXT-related people and they'd all said yes. What's more, there's > not even a discount coupon like that provided in the Evaluation > package. Surely NeXT could have done better than this... > > Disappointed, > -cj For some reason I had also assumed that the 3.1 Developer upgrade for black hardware was the same as the NS/FIP Developer package. Nope. The 3.1 Developer upgrade is more like the NS 3.0 upgrade: a small cardboard box containing discs and a few thin paper inserts. Conversely, the 3.1 User package for Motorola has nice packaging: same as the Intel version. I don't feel too bad since I already spent money for a set of NS 3.0 manuals. Except for the Objective-C manual, the 3.1 docs appear to only differ from 3.0 in the cover artwork. Besides, my bookshelves probably couldn't hold another set of NEXTSTEP manuals -- I still haven't parted with my NEXTSTEP 0.9, 1.0 and 2.0 manuals yet... :-) --bob congdon bcongdon@lotatg.lotus.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: arb@andersen.co.uk (Phil Mellor) Subject: Question to Nextstep/I installers Message-ID: <1993Jul7.090406.13955@andersen.co.uk> Organization: Andersen Consulting (UK Practice) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 09:04:06 GMT I have a question... I have a Compaq 4/66i whcih has a 120Mb IDE drive, QVision graphics and a 3Com 3 c509 Ethernet card. If I want to do a full installation can I choose to put the operating system on my hard disk and the extra stuff ( dev stuff and all other non essential code ) on my Novell 3.11 network which has 22Gb free? I would ideally like to have 10-20Mb free on my hard disk and I don't care how m uch space I take up on my Novell server. Also does NS/I come with drivers for 3c509's or do I have to ask 3com? Also can I copy the entire contents of the NS/I CD to my server and boot up from a DOS disk acces the server and install from there of am I talking rubbish ( it wouldn't be the first time :^) ) That would be great coz I wouldn't have to cart a cd drive and adapter from PC t o PC. Thanks in advance. Philip Buckley-Mellor arb@andersen.co.uk VC: (44) 61 435 5292 FX: (44) 61 435 5050:w
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Date: 7 Jul 1993 10:58:16 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <21ea88$v09@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <21dseeINN37d@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> In article <21dseeINN37d@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes: >In article <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >>This is the tail end of the 20th century, NETWORKING is very important, >>people need to hook their computers together and use them to access other >>computers. They can't do this with NeXTSTEP 3.1 because the serial >>drivers DO NOT WORK. > >Are serial connections to printers likewise broken? I also can't imagine >NeXT producing an operating system that can't communicate serially with a >PostScript printer. I could not imagine either. Having NS/I - I _can_ :-((( >One must have an open mind when diagnosing problems like this though. >Could be hardware and/or software oriented. You seem to assume that >it's just the software that's broken. We don't have all the answers >yet. I have read at least 2 reports of successful serial port operation. I have read more than a dozen reports that they do _not_ work. And it does not help me if some guys claim that they do. A serial port consists of a base hex address, an IRQ number and a FIFO buffer. What the f*** is so critical about it? -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Date: 7 Jul 1993 12:23:13 GMT Organization: OSF RI Grenoble Distribution: world Message-ID: <21ef7h$47p@paperboy.osf.org> References: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <21dseeINN37d@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> <21ea88$v09@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <21ea88$v09@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, |> A serial port consists of a base hex address, an IRQ number and a FIFO |> buffer. What the f*** is so critical about it? Dunno :-), but most Unix companies have someone assigned full time to getting and keeping the serial drivers working. David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Services menu.... Message-ID: <C9spt4.MHq@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <15983@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 13:06:30 GMT Check out the Services item in the Preferences app. It's usually way over on the right. (No political satire intended.) peter Gretchen M Dick (gmdst4+@pitt.edu) wrote: : How do i remove unwanted Apps from the services menu? : Thanks : Gretchen : -- : Gretchen "Think's Mark needs his own account" Dick : md3z@andrew.cmu.edu or gmdst4@pitt.edu : Standard Disclaimers Apply -- I felt his rocket science training was inadequate. peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Tim Mukherjee <mukherje@NorthStar.com> Subject: NorthStar seeks software engineers, NYC Message-ID: <9307062338.AA01407@NorthStar.com> Sender: <mukherje@NorthStar.com> Organization: Indiana University Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 23:39:33 GMT NorthStar Technologies, Inc. is a small software development and consulting firm based in New York City specializing in the use of object-oriented and client-server technologies. We provide innovative software solutions for financial institutions and other businesses. We are enlarging our staff due to an influx of new business and seek employees that match the following profiles: 1) Two senior managers - BSCC or equivalent, MS preferred - 7 to 9 years of software engineering experience - Mastery of object-oriented design and development techniques - Mastery of client-server techniques - Extensive knowledge and ability using C++ and other object-oriented languages - Extensive knowledge of UNIX - Extensive knowledge of Sybase, both the Open Client library (API) as well as the server. Knowledge of other RDBMS products in commercial use a plus - Good working knowledge with GUIs including Motif - Knowledge of the financial business a strong plus - Good working knowledge of NeXTstep a strong plus - Consulting experience preferred, especially technical leadership and account management 2) Five senior software engineers/consultants - BSCC or equivalent - 3 to 5 years of software engineering experience - Good working knowledge of object-oriented design and development techniques - Good working knowledge of client-server techniques - Good working knowledge of C++ - Good working knowledge of UNIX - Good working knowledge of Motif (OpenLook experience a plus) - Good working knowledge of the Sybase Open Client library (API) - Good working knowledge of NeXTstep a strong plus - Consulting experience a strong plus - Knowledge of the financial business a strong plus 3) Two NeXTstep software engineers - BSCC or equivalent - More than a year's experience with NeXTstep application development - Extensive knowledge of the NeXTstep appkit - Good working knowledge of Objective C - Good working knowledge of UNIX - Experience with the Sybase Open Client library (API) and other commercial RDBMS application programming a strong plus - Knowledge of C++ desirable 4) A UNIX system administrator - BSCC or equivalent - Significant experience with heterogeneous UNIX network environments - Good working knowledge of UNIX system administration tools - Commercial RDBMS installation and maintenance - Significant experience with hardware purchasing, installation, configuration and maintenance - Good working knowledge of NeXTstep a strong plus - C, C++ or Objective C experience a plus - Consulting experience a plus If you match any of these profiles, please contact us. NorthStar Technologies, Inc. 15 Maiden Lane, Suite 803 New York, New York 10038 Attention: Morris Gartenberg Phone: 212-267-4100 extension 135 Fax: 212-267-4468 e-mail: gartenb@northstar.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <1993Jul7.132506.26278@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <21dseeINN37d@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 13:25:06 GMT sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes: >In article <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >>This is the tail end of the 20th century, NETWORKING is very important, >>people need to hook their computers together and use them to access other >>computers. They can't do this with NeXTSTEP 3.1 because the serial >>drivers DO NOT WORK. >Are serial connections to printers likewise broken? I also can't imagine >NeXT producing an operating system that can't communicate serially with a >PostScript printer. >I regularly telecommute via modem, and can't imagine working without >such an option. Hearing about the NS/FIP serial port support is not >good news indeed. >One must have an open mind when diagnosing problems like this though. >Could be hardware and/or software oriented. You seem to assume that >it's just the software that's broken. We don't have all the answers >yet. I have read at least 2 reports of successful serial port operation. >Intermittent bugs with interrupt handlers is a real debugging problem, >and a royal pain. It's the kind of stuff that make schedules slip, >and drive programmers to change careers. If the serial driver is broken, then certainly serial connections to printers are broken, wouldn't you say? :~) I've been told straight out by a NeXT tech support SE, after I phoned in a trouble report regarding PostScript printing via serial port, that the serial driver under 3.1 Intel is "totally broken and will be fixed in 3.2". Whether that means we have to wait until 3.2 to get the fix, I don't know. Presumably a patch could be released earlier... Now, in fact, the serial driver seems to work okay at low speeds (up to 9600 bps), mostly okay at 19.2 kbps, and not at all any faster than that. This is my experience after a limited amount of testing trying to get serial-based printing to work. For printing, at least, there's no point worrying about broken serial support; just use parallel, since it works like a charm. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <1993Jul7.144651.2918@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <21ea88$v09@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 14:46:51 GMT In article <21ea88$v09@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: > In article <21dseeINN37d@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes: > >In article <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: > > >One must have an open mind when diagnosing problems like this though. > >Could be hardware and/or software oriented. You seem to assume that > >it's just the software that's broken. We don't have all the answers > >yet. I have read at least 2 reports of successful serial port operation. > > I have read more than a dozen reports that they do _not_ work. > And it does not help me if some guys claim that they do. > A serial port consists of a base hex address, an IRQ number and a FIFO > buffer. What the f*** is so critical about it? Serial ports are often a problem for multi tasking systems. This is because of the relative stupidity of the serial port cards, and the interrupt overhead associated with each character that arrives or leaves. It was pretty common that Unix systems in particular would have relativly low baud rate limits. The usual method of getting around this is to put in a smarter, buffered card. The serial ports on a PC have no real smarts and relativly shallow buffers. In addition, the protocols used on a the mach/unix system may require interrogation of every character that comes in. This leads to a relativly high overhead for serial processing (68030 based cubes could barely do 9600). The robustness of the current 3.1 driver is probably directly proportional to the baudrate and general system load. It is my understanding that NeXT is working on new serial drivers that should give better serial performance. The tradeoff is that the rest of the system will probably slow down. -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 11:48:23 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93188.114823CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Does anyone know what has happened to TECOR? How can equipment we purchased be serviced. If they went out of business...who has taken over from them? Really appreciate any help you may provide.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <C9sy1B.1GF.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: <21ea88$v09@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <1993Jul7.144651.2918@FreemanSoft.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 16:05:34 GMT In article <1993Jul7.144651.2918@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com writes: > This leads to a relativly high overhead for serial processing (68030 > based cubes could barely do 9600). The robustness of the current 3.1 > driver is probably directly proportional to the baudrate and general > system load. It is my understanding that NeXT is working on new > serial drivers that should give better serial performance. The > tradeoff is that the rest of the system will probably slow down. Datapoint: Linux manages to do pretty well with its serial port drivers, and it runs on the same hardware as NeXTstep, and it's a multitasking Unix too. AND, it manages to stay rather zippy. So, it's certainly possible to get this right. -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: tip/zmodem question Message-ID: <111.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 93 15:17:40 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Probably something silly, but whenever I use the ~| command from tip to pipe output from the remote host to a local process, I get a complaint from csh: Permission denied. My intent was to pipe a remote sz to a local rz for file transfer, however I tried various other local commands (ls, cat) as well. In all cases I never get to answer the "List shell command for remote process?" prompt... I immediately get "csh: Permission denied". Usually after CR is entered tip hangs and has to be killed. What am I doing wrong? Please respond by e-mail. Thanks --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kbacon@austin.onu.edu (C0d3 M0n$t3r) Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Sender: usenet@austin.onu.edu (Network News owner) Message-ID: <1993Jul7.170716.81395@austin.onu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 17:07:16 GMT References: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> Organization: Ohio Northern University Kunal Singh (kunal@passion.pilot.dmg.ml.com) wrote: : Has anyone successfully used this application ? Nope...:( I've played with it for hours, and finally decided that my Hitachi CDROM must not be audio compatable... (Hmmm, as an E.E./Comp. Sci. I've learned to blame the hardware.) I'm not at home so I don't know the Model Number of the Drive, will follow up with the Model number later, maybe someone else owns one of these and knows. The only thing I have heard about the CDPlayer.app is, it won't work if you have SCSI ID 0 and 1, if this is your configuration, try moving your CDROM from 1 to ID 5 or 6. (I believe this was in the release notes of Black HW 3.0) But I run NS/I, and changing the CDROM ID didn't work for me, good luck to you... Kyle C. Bacon kbacon@gauss.onu.edu (NeXTMail accepted)
From: drichard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darren R Richardson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WordPerfect question Date: 7 Jul 1993 17:11:57 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <21f04t$jra@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> When using WP 5.1 for DOS it is possible to print a document to a laser printer that has several bins. The appropriate codes are placed in the document to print (for example, the first page of a document is printed on letterhead in bin2 and the second page is printed to normal paper in bin1. Is it possible to insert these same codes in a document using WP for NeXT? I know if you choose print in WP for NeXT, it is possible to select other bins to print to. This doesn't seem to work good. The printer I am trying to print to is a HP Laserjet IIID Postscript. -- Darren Richardson The Ohio State University Department of Family Medicine Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (S. Matis, 13th Generation) Subject: Mathematica ... it churns and nothing! Message-ID: <C9t210.Mt9@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Wolfnet Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 17:31:47 GMT A year after I bought my machine, I finally installed Mathematica with my license and all. The license was long in coming, and so I thought I should be alright when it did show up. Well, I installed with small kernel option on my 16MB NeXTstation Color. I'm running 3.0 Gold ... and I can't even get 5+7 to be evaluated! I wonder... is there anything that needs to be changed ? I belive that the Mathematica floppies indicate 2.0.4c for version. In one word : HELP. S. I. Matis, clueless in MathLand ...
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Date: 7 Jul 1993 17:32:21 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <21f1b6$67q@rosie.next.com> References: <C9sy1B.1GF.2@cs.cmu.edu> Just a FYI here.... Yes, the serial driver released in 3.1 has some big problems. As many of you are aware, we were under some pretty heavy time constraints shipping 3.1 by May 25th. We could not slip from this date, so we shipped a buggy serial driver. We haven't been ignoring the problem as some people here have been suggesting. We haven't been ignoring customers complaints. It's probably our #1 priority patch to release before 3.2 ships. We do in fact have a fixed serial driver in house and are in the process of testing it. Making sure we don't release another buggy driver is very important to us, so we're spending a lot of time testing it. The last I heard, the tests were progressing very well, and people are expecting that we'll be able to release it in the next couple of weeks. However, if some aspect of the testing fails, it might take a little longer. Erik p.s. I didn't write the serial driver, just letting you know that we do listen to you in here.
From: yslee@ux5.lbl.gov (yongsik lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: is TECOR afloat? Date: 7 Jul 1993 18:02:15 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Message-ID: <21f337$h2v@overload.lbl.gov> References: <oorient.741780535@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> I tried to call them up a week ago. Their phone was disconnected without any other information. Yongsik LEE yslee@ux5.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: NSFIP on Compudyne or ZEOS Systems? Message-ID: <1993Jul7.171721.1202@oneworld.wa.com> Organization: OneWorld Enterprises/OneWorld Computing Resources References: <C9nDtv.64A@imag.fr> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 17:17:21 GMT Save your self a lot of grief and DON"T buy a Zeos machine!!!!!! I was swayed by their fancy ad's and the "glowing" reviews they got in PC-Magazine. What I got shipped to me is esentially a $3000 (at the time) paper weight!!! Here's the deal, Their customer services sucks big time. They made a mistake in my order in sending a wrong component and then expected me to give them my credit card number to send the correct part. -strike 1- Then, on the 28th day of the 30day money back gaurantee the IDE hard drive looses the data. I figure, these things happen, I call tech support and after waiting for over 1 hour (fortunatly on Zeos's nickel), I get some help, which is basically reformat the drive and start over. So, I go out and get a standard QIC tape drive so I never have to go through that again. Guess what, the tape drive doesn't work in this machine. I go and have another tape drive installed in the machine and that one doesnt work. So I call Tech support and they don't know what's happening but they say ship the unit back and we'll get it working. So I spend about $60 to get it back to them and they keep it for about 2 weeks and ship it back to me. Guess what, They didn't do a QR%Q%$%@^^% thing to fix the unit!!! the work order says they hooked up one of theirs and it worked so the machine isn't at fault. ---strike 2--- While the machine was back there I had them install the aformentioned Adaptec scsi chip. Oh, by the way, the 30 MBG has long since run out having had faith that the problem with the disk drive was minor.... So, now I want to install NeXTSTEP on this machine, I go to hook up a CD rom drive and start the NEXTSTEP install proceedure and the Mach kernel doesnt seem to be able to register the CD rom drive. So, I figured the scsi Chip that Zeos installed must not be 100% compatible with the Adaptec 1542 that is on the compatibility list. so I go and buy one of those. Seems that something in the Zeos bios is preventing the Adaptec 1542C controller from accessing the shadow rom bios and thus the card cannot function in the machine. Popped the card in another pc and it works perfectly. In short, the Zeos has too many proprietary things going on to be compatible with anything, the memory is non-standard 72pin SIMMS, the bios is apparantly non-standard, and so on and so on. Strike Three. I am seriously considering changing the mother board to a Vega brand to be rid of Zeos and the problems. So unless you are a masochist, don't buy Zeos!!!! Charles (suckered by Zeos) Cooper Jonathan Rice (rice@imag.fr) wrote: : Would anyone have any advice on the suitability of NSFIP for : 486DX systems from Compudyne or Zeos? Has anyone installed it : on such systems yet? Two specific questions I'm interested in: : 1. How compatible are the video cards included on these : manufacturers' standard systems? The Zeos ad I have here : talks of their local bus "Viper" card, while Compudyne is : very vague about their card, not specifying its architecture : or max colours. : 2. Zeos offer optional on-board SCSI for $49, in the shape of : an Adaptec SCSI chip. Is this likely to work with NS? I : seem to remember some discussion here recently of some other : machine whose on-boad SCSI would not work (yet). : : Thanks, : : -- Jonathan : : o----------------------------o------------------------o : | Jonathan Rice | Laboratoire ARTEMIS | : o----------------------------o Institut IMAG | : | Email: rice@dingo.imag.fr | B.P. 53 | : | Phone: (33) 76 63 58 80 | 38041 GRENOBLE Cedex 9 | : | Fax: (33) 76 63 84 23 | FRANCE | : o----------------------------o------------------------o : -- : o----------------------------o------------------------o : | Jonathan Rice | Laboratoire ARTEMIS | : o----------------------------o Institut IMAG | : | Email: rice@imag.fr | B.P. 53 |
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Services menu.... Message-ID: <69081@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 7 Jul 93 18:14:46 GMT References: <15983@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <15983@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gmdst4+@pitt.edu (Gretchen M Dick) writes: > How do i remove unwanted Apps from the services menu? use Preferences.app -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: mauriti@cs.tu-berlin.de (Frank Hartlep) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FrameMaker to RTF Date: 7 Jul 1993 18:39:27 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <21f58v$g4l@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is there any way to get from one of the FrameMaker formats to RTF. There's frame-ascii, but haven't seen anything like frame-rtf. Thanks, Frank
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 15:06:37 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93188.150637CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Hard Disk Power Supply Problems One of our drives has gone bad. Apparently it is a 1.2G Maxtor PO-12S in a Tecor enclosure. It is a 5.24 Full Height Drive. We think it is a power supply problem because the drive is apparently clicking...ie it starts whirring up then a click. This happened to one of our seagates and was a power supply problem. We have checked the fuse and it is not blown, so I suspect that we need a new power supply. Where can we find a power supply for this enclosure since Tecor has gone out of business? Appreciate any replies. ---Masud.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irogers@theme.music.indiana.edu (Ian Rogers) Subject: Local Bus: Neccessary for NSIP? Message-ID: <C9t7Mr.39p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University Music Library, Bloomington Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 19:32:51 GMT I am in the process of pricing a system on which I will install NeXTstep Intel. I am debating the issue of Local Bus. When I saw NSIP demonstrated here on campus a couple months ago, the representatives recommended Local Bus for the graphics. When I spoke with a dealer about getting a Local Bus setup, he told me that he has had *zero* reliability with setting up Local Bus machines. He claims he has never set one up without bugs. Please give me feedback on this. If you have Local Bus setup, exactly what is the setup? Thanks, ian -- Ian Rogers Technical Support, Indiana University Music Library irogers@music-lib.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: claire@cubx.com (Claire Normand) Subject: Re: Austrian VAD Message-ID: <1993Jul7.152936.21467@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. References: <1993Jul6.080930.5039@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 15:29:36 GMT In article <1993Jul6.080930.5039@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) writes: > fyr@ubszh.net.ch writes > > As I know there are just three official VAS's in Europe at the moment: > > Switzerland: ANDES > > Germany: Computer2000 and d'Art > > Thank to those who have responded ... > To Roger: > I don't really know if Hard&Soft is a VAD, but there's a VAD in Italy, > Intersoft, as well as in France (I don't remember the name). In France there are 3 official NEXTSTEP Value Added Dealers : Cub'x Systemes, Solent and Terra Nova Technologies. Here are their address : - Cub'x Systemes Immeuble Sedgwick 7, Rue Peugeot 92563 Rueil Malmaison Cedex +33 1 47 08 74 40 +33 1 47 08 74 41 fax info@cubx.com - Solent Le Stratege Z.A. du Millenaire 34000 Montpellier +33 67 69 74 14 +33 67 69 74 91 fax staff@solent.oleane.com - Terra Nova Technologies La Bastide Verte Z.I. Toulon Est B.P. 345 83077 Toulon Cedex 9 +33 94 75 83 83 +33 94 08 15 38 fax diane@tnt.oleane.com --- Claire Normand Cub'x Systemes Immeuble Sedgwick 7, Rue E. & A. Peugeot 92563 Rueil Malmaison Cedex - France Tel : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 40 Fax : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 41 e-mail : claire@cubx.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: NS/FIP and HPGL Emulation Message-ID: <1993Jul7.163115.1194@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 16:31:15 GMT Can an Panasonic Laser that can emulate an HP (Non Postscript) be used with NS/FIP? Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Control: cancel <CRESPO.93Jul7131848@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: crespo@vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Subject: cancel <CRESPO.93Jul7131848@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Jul7132251@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 21:22:51 GMT Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Creating NS/FIP disk from a black box? Message-ID: <21fd6r$c0j@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 7 Jul 93 20:54:51 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.21fd6r$c0j Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Since everyone (including myself) seems to be having problems installing NS/FIP, is it possible to create the disk on a NeXT? I have a SCSI hard drive that I want to install NS/FIP on, and I have the CD-ROM connected to my NeXT. Is there any way to just create the disk with this setup? I know that DOS machines are picky about what's on sector 0, track 0, so I'm having reservations about just dumping the base system onto the hard drive. Could I modify the buildisk script to copy the necessary files from the CR-ROM to the SCSI drive? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks! -jason _________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone have a fat Perl for 3.1? Message-ID: <17408@news.duke.edu> Date: 7 Jul 93 20:34:41 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject line says it all--if you've successfully built Perl as a fat binary under 3.1, could you please email it to me? (NeXTMail is fine.) We've encountered some problems in setting up the configure correctly, and we're running short of time. Thanks in advance-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSI 486 Install Problems Date: 7 Jul 1993 22:12:21 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <21fho5$cfu@transfer.stratus.com> References: <lp$@byu.edu> In article <lp$@byu.edu> writes: > ----------------- NeXTSTEP 486 Installation problems ----------------------- > > I'm having problems installing NSI on my system. I get to the prompt: > > For some reason it doesn't seem to be properly recognizing my hard disk. I > don't know where the IRQ 7 business is comming from either. > I see that message all the time too but in my case it is benign. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Message to Benjamin Cline (others please ignore) Message-ID: <17419@news.duke.edu> Date: 8 Jul 93 00:36:47 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Benjamin-- Your e-mail to me got mangled together with someone else's message; I not only didn't get the message body, I didn't even get your e-mail address! Please re-send. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 8 Jul 1993 00:47:23 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Distribution: world Message-ID: <deluxe-070793174204@17.220.88.2> References: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> <1993Jul7.170716.81395@austin.onu.edu> I have an Apple CD-300 connected up to a NeXTstation, and when I insert an audio CD it automatically launches the CDPlayer under 3.1. Everything works fine. Also, Photo CD's also work, using the PhotoAlbum.app (or whatever it's called). I'm wondering if NeXTSTEP knows enough to run the CD-300 at double speed, or do I need a special driver for this? I can't tell from observation whether the player is currently running at 1X or 2X. __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 8 Jul 1993 00:49:08 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Distribution: world Message-ID: <deluxe-070793174842@17.220.88.2> References: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> <1993Jul7.170716.81395@austin.onu.edu> Also I should mention that the SCSI ID setting on my drive is set to 3. __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Electronic App Wrapper Date: 8 Jul 1993 01:15:10 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <21fseu$b5b@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Jul7.032336.22039@leland.stanford.edu> In article <1993Jul7.032336.22039@leland.stanford.edu> spagiola@leland.stanford.edu writes: >People have been wondering where the 2nd EAW was. >Well, mine arrived in the mail today. >And might I add its a superb job; great art, great music, more demos >and brochures, and _much_ faster than the first EAW. I second that. I'll have to wait and see it on a color machine before I make final judgement :-) but it's pretty cool. Responsiveness is much faster, and the CD just seems to be laid out in a more efficient manner. Now, if only my other hard drive will show up... >Stefano Pagiola ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Brain fried -- Core dumped
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: mpro-request@netcom.com Subject: MAILING LIST: MicroPhone Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <thompsonC9tqx4.5KF@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 02:29:27 GMT Hi, I have started a mailing list devoted to MicroPhone Pro for NEXTSTEP. Its purpose is to discuss the software, and to share hints, scripts, and other information with fellow users. Anonymous ftp will available for archives, scripts, etc. If you use MicroPhone Pro for NEXTSTEP, this is the place to be :-) SUBSCRIBE TO: mpro-request@netcom.com Eric Thompson MPRO Mailing List Manager
Message-ID: <zp$@byu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 93 22:39:17 MDT From: pmarc@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Paul M. Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Distribution: world References: <R1Za7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Keywords: broken garbage non-responsive company chapter 11 In article <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com>, artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >deadboy@mindvox.phantom.com (The Dead) writes: > >> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >> >> (of the Artek, Ardal and Amran family of consultants to Shysters, Thieves >> and Profiteers, and all around annoying group of people ;-) Pbbblt) >> >> >> Joseph is a putz, I can say that because my future employment will >> never hinge on him liking me. Sadly he's right, people. > >Sir this constitutes libel and defamation of character and is utterly >uncalled for, especially from an individual who does not even use his name >online and whose sole contribution appears to be a near-endless series of >posts about drug use and programming obscure unix security tricks and >methods of crashing computer networks. > >My lawyers will draft a formal response and deliver them to you care of >MindVox, who I'm sure will be pleased to know they are accomplices to your >attack upon my person. No sir, that constitutes a flame. Although I, and I'm sure others, agree that this may not be the place for this kind of bickering, I just say lighten up. You may be correct about the character of 'The Dead' -- I don't know him personally. However, anybody who would make the kind of statement you did in return probably deserves the label 'putz'. He could have called you much worse. If anything he wants a reaction and you could show some maturity by reacting in a more reasonable manner. Paul Cardon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software From: dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) Subject: Buggy SERIAL PORT Drivers Message-ID: <C9txvo.A6J@well.sf.ca.us> Summary: boom crash Keywords: junk Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 04:59:47 GMT Unfortunately I too am stuck in the same situation that has apparently hit so many others here. My main source of information regarding NeXT has been MindVox and The WELL, along with comp.sys.next, which I unfortunately did not read often enough, or perhaps there were no posting prior to those of the last few weeks about the serial ports. Though (justifiably) angry, Mr. Mercke's (sp) well-stated letter summed up the way I'm feeling right now better than I could do it myself, so I'll let it stay with that and add in that I find it ridiculous that FREEWARE such as Linux or BSDI *CAN* have working, robust drivers, cross all kinds of platforms while NeXT says "A couple of weeks for testing." NeXT I would say to you: Make that as fast as you can, nothing you possibly release could be worse than it is. They plain and simple don't work. I am very slightly pacified by at least some response, but if I don't see some ACTION in the form of updated drivers VERY soon, then I'm going to start writing some letters and having conversations with people I consult for, starting with Viacom and moving on to the NeXT forums on MindVox and WELL, and ending with a direct mailing of every single person covering technology and Cyberspace issues on both Vox and WELL, and their number is quite large. Judging by the heat here I'm going to have a lot of comiserators happy to do the same thing. This is not a threat, its a statement of action. If as you claim NeXT is doing, and some new serial drivers come out, I'll be writing the same group of people letters, only this time it'll be how wonderful NeXT is to customer response, and how quickly they solve problems once they are made aware of them. Please give me the opportunity to say nice things, and give your customers what they paid for in the first place. Paul Pardon the typographic errors, I have grown used to cut and pasting and now I'm running Windows and using vi. dav@well.sf.ca.us dav@mindvox.phantom.com
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <88316@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 8 Jul 93 03:14:43 GMT References: <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <uqya7B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Ardal Technologies, artek@mindvox.phantom.com writes: >This is the tail end of the 20th century, NETWORKING is very important, >people need to hook their computers together and use them to access other >computers. They can't do this with NeXTSTEP 3.1 because the serial >drivers DO NOT WORK. What kind of networking are you talking about? From what I have heard, all of the Ethernet networking services work just fine. SLIP and modem connections faster than 9600 are broken, yes. I personally would rather have a NeXT with broken serial drivers which can be fixed than Windows (in any of its flavors) which probably will only get worse. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: New membership benefits and membership info for ANDI Message-ID: <C9t4At.DzG@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI, NeXTSTEP Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 18:20:52 GMT We are pleased to announce the addition of two new membership categories: General: An excellent, low cost way to stay informed on events affecting the NeXTSTEP community. and Sustaining: Intended for those companies seeking to maximize their investment in NeXTSTEP technology and who want the fastest method to get the largest return on their investment. In addition, all membership categories have new enhanced benefits. To retrieve membership info: ftp to ftp.andi.org. You find membership info in /pub or send mail to: membership@nextsrv1.andi.org Note: Information can be sent in NeXTmail format or Faxed. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To keep you better informed we beginning publishing in July: "FocalPoint", the monthly newsletter for NeXTSTEP users "breakpoint", the bi-monthly journal for developers "Objectivitie", the quarterly technical journal for developers and users To contact us, just send mail to the publication_name@nextsrv1.andi.org (for example FocalPoint@nextsrv1.andi.org) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To help you reach new markets we are going to be exhibiting annually at the following shows: PC Expo - New York City PC Expo - Chicago Unix Expo - New York City FedUNIX - Washington, DC Unix Reseller - Dallas, TX We are expanding into vertical markets that are not currently targeted by any NeXTSTEP developers such as: International Association of Jazz Educators - January (7000 members) Meeting Planners International - December (10,000 members) For more information, just send mail to marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We are expanding our marketing efforts in the following areas: Co-op advertising in industry magazines and on CD-ROMS Direct mail campaigns target at existing NeXTSTEP customers and non-NeXTSTEP customers. Literature distribution at trade shows. ANDI resource catalog distributed at tradeshows. Email infoserver available to members to provided interested parties with up-to-date product information and product demos. For more information, just send mail to marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We are doing our part to insure the success of NeXTSTEP. We hope you will join us. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <C9s6Dn.1Fv@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 06:08:11 GMT In article <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> kunal@passion.pilot.dmg.ml.com (Kunal Singh) writes: #Has anyone successfully used this application ? # I use it all the time. I installed from the 3.0 CD-ROM as root. I have had no problems. I have a NeXT CD-ROM drive. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXT 030 Cubes Message-ID: <C9tzCx.2Fy@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <15984@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 05:31:45 GMT In article <15984@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gmdst4+@pitt.edu (Gretchen M Dick) writes: # #What is the relative preformace of a NeXT 030 cube vs a NeXT Mono Slab #(non-turbo)? # #Is it merely a matter of MIPS or is Video and I/O affected also. Are #there also Hardware limitations? Will some software not compile/work on #the 030s? It's just a matter of mips. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: NeXT 030 Cubes Message-ID: <946EBEMS@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <15984@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 09:06:54 GMT Gretchen M Dick (gmdst4+@pitt.edu) wrote: : What is the relative preformace of a NeXT 030 cube vs a NeXT Mono Slab : (non-turbo)? : Is it merely a matter of MIPS or is Video and I/O affected also. Are : there also Hardware limitations? Will some software not compile/work on : the 030s? Having both a 030 cube and a 040 station (Thanks Ross!!) on my desk I think I'm able to give some advice. First, plain computing performance is s.th between 4:1 and 6:1. Video performance is about 2.5:1 - but still better than many (most?) NSI systems. Also I/O performance seems to be slower, though its difficult to say how much slower. You definitely need at least 16 MB of RAM, which is no problem, cause you have 16 slots and 1 MB simms are very cheap to get - especially in the NeXT community :-). Some further drawbacks: - no floppy disk - serial line lacks harware flow control Advantages: - this great old keyboard with the \ and | at the right place. I loovve it! - OD - 3 m monitor cable - its the 'real' NeXT In my opinion a cube is o.k. as long as you don't want to do serious NS programming or need to use any computing intensive software like in image processing. I used to work with Mathematica, TeX, Framemaker and X windows on my cube and it was o.k. But programming was not very much fun - turn around times and debugging was too bad. Hope this helps Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-3400 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095 Email: mzeller@gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: jamast00@bigdaddy.mik.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia) Subject: Re: More Info About Mathematica for NSFIP Message-ID: <jamast00.742129697@mik.uky.edu> Keywords: Cheaper?? Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <C9Koov.FCr@news.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 11:08:17 GMT In <C9Koov.FCr@news.iastate.edu> tlm@feynman.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) writes: >Recently there has been some discussion about the availability of >Mathematica for NSFIP, with John Michopoulos (sorry if I got the spelling >wrong Yanni :) being kind enough to post that the price would be $1245 and >$995 academic. Personally, I consider these prices to be really "out of [Munch] >Finally, she said 2.2 for the NeXT should start shipping within a couple >of weeks (actually, she'd been told it would ship right after the 4th, >but cautioned me that "they usually miss those goals by a couple weeks." >Seems to be the golden rule of software :) Just read the other day in PC Week that Mathmatica Inc. has filed Chapter 11 protection from creditors. Guess those high prices kept paying customers away! Perhaps they will have the insight change their ways. -- John A. Mastrolia (Politically, Fashionably, and Aerodynamically Incorrect) jamast00@mik.uky.edu outland!jmast@ms.uky.edu University of Kentucky
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation References: <C9s6Dn.1Fv@infoserv.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 12:11:32 GMT To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: 1. The sound does not come out of the NeXT. You have to connect a cable with a standard mini-stereo plug (like a walkman's) to the front of the CD drive, or use a cable with RCA plugs (like most home stereo equipment) and connect to the back of the CD drive. Then connect the cable to external speakers, preferebly through an amplifier. 2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: a. Load from the Demonstrations Package (it could be Developer's - I am not sure) the files /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util and /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device. b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. If the above does not do the trick, reconfigure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as the next device after the boot drive (i.e. if you boot from sd2, set the CD drive to appear as sd3). -- Jason D. Blue NeXT Network and Systems Administrator The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA jblue@mitre.org (NeXT Mail Encouraged!) TIP#081
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <16090@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 8 Jul 93 13:39:34 GMT References: <C9s6Dn.1Fv@infoserv.com> <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In addition to the things mentioned below, in order to get the CDPlayer.app to start up upon insertion of CD, you need to set, in Workspace Preferences, the Public Window Server to On. In article <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> jblue@mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: => =>To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: => =>1. The sound does not come out of the NeXT. You have to -> connect a cable with a standard mini-stereo plug (like a walkman's) to the => front of the CD drive, or use a cable with RCA plugs (like most home => stereo equipment) and connect to the back of the CD drive. Then connect => the cable to external speakers, preferebly through an amplifier. -=> =>=2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert => an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: => a. Load from the Demonstrations Package (it could be Developer's - I am => not sure) the files /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util and => /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device. => b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. => =>If the above does not do the trick, reconfigure the CD drive's SCSI =>ID so that it appears as the next device after the boot drive (i.e. if =>you boot from sd2, set the CD drive to appear as sd3). => >-- >Jason D. Blue >NeXT Network and Systems Administrator >The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA >jblue@mitre.org (NeXT Mail Encouraged!) >TIP#081 -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: More Info About Mathematica for NSFIP Message-ID: <C9uLJB.KFx@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <jamast00.742129697@mik.uky.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 13:30:47 GMT In article <jamast00.742129697@mik.uky.edu> jamast00@bigdaddy.mik.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia) writes: > Just read the other day in PC Week that Mathmatica Inc. has filed Chapter 11 > protection from creditors. Guess those high prices kept paying customers > away! Perhaps they will have the insight change their ways. > I read that too BUT! Mathematica THE PROGRAM is made and sold by Wolfram Inc., NOT Mathematica Inc. From the back of a Mathematica manual: "Mathematica is no associated with Mathematica, Inc., Mathematica Policy Research, Inc., or MathTech, Inc. -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: NeXT 030 Cubes Message-ID: <C9utwL.D6@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <15984@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <946EBEMS@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 16:31:31 GMT In article <946EBEMS@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: >Some further drawbacks: > > - no floppy disk You can get a PL/I SCSI drive. > - serial line lacks harware flow control <plug warning> This can be remedied, in part, with our product TTYDSP, which converts the DSP into a serial port, gives you hardware flow control, and performance way beyond what an '040 can without it. Send email to yrrid@world.std.com for more info on this and our other products. -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: LOUDER...LOUDER... ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: v_white@ece.wisc.edu (Victor White) Subject: Black Printer FAQ? Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Distribution: usa Date: 8 Jul 93 11:30:00 CDT Message-ID: <1993Jul8.113001.26848@doug.cae.wisc.edu> I recently picked up a used black printer for my cube. I use it in spurts, and so do need to keep it warm all the time. A while back I remeber people talking about remotely powering it up and down, adding sound effects so it yells at you when it's out of paper and all those fun things. Is there a FAQ on how to set it up and manage it? Thanks for any help, Victor White v_white@janus.ece.wisc.edu
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 8 Jul 1993 16:45:15 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <21hiur$n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <C9s6Dn.1Fv@infoserv.com> <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> Originator: srosie@whitman.ccs.itd.umich.edu In article <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> jblue@mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: > >To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: [CHOMP] > >2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert > an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: [CHOMP] > b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. > BUT WHY????? As someone who's had to play around with scsi id's to get my system to work, I don't understand what NeXT could've done that would make any of the sd# devices different from one another (except for the boot drive). If anyone out there has a good understanding of devices in UNIX, I would much appreciate an explanation as to why setting devices to different numbers has a significant effect on the system. thanks in advance, steve "rosie" rosenblum srosie@umich.edu
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 8 Jul 1993 16:54:22 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <21hjfuINNs61@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <93188.114823CADER@auvm.american.edu> In article <93188.114823CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CADER@auvm.american.edu> writes: >Does anyone know what has happened to TECOR? How can equipment we purchased be > serviced. If they went out of business...who has taken over from them? TECOR is no more. Larry Cohen, formerly at TECOR, is now at Peripheral Solutions here in Santa Cruz where TECOR used to be. Larry has set up a NeXT test bench so he can verify that new drives are NeXT-compatible. Peripheral Solutions' prices seem as good as TECOR's. So give Larry a call at 800-ALL-DISK or send him email at psi_eng@netcom.com. I am a satisfied customer having recently purchased an external drive for my Cube. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <C9uywt.LvC@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <C9s6Dn.1Fv@infoserv.com> <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> <21hiur$n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 18:19:40 GMT In article <21hiur$n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> srosie@umich.edu writes: >In article <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> jblue@mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: >>To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: >> >>2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert >> an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: >[CHOMP] >> b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. >> > BUT WHY????? > >As someone who's had to play around with scsi id's to get my system to work, >I don't understand what NeXT could've done that would make any of the sd# >devices different from one another (except for the boot drive). >If anyone out there has a good understanding of devices in UNIX, I would >much appreciate an explanation as to why setting devices to different >numbers has a significant effect on the system. I have two internal hard drives, sd0 and sd1. My NeXT external CD-ROM player is configured as SCSI-ID 6 and is sd2. CDPlayer works fine for me, it autolaunches and behaves perfectly running NS 3.1 on black hardware. I'll be bold and say whether it is sd1 has nothing to do with it. Now I want a multi-disk drive and player :) -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: LOUDER...LOUDER... ::
Control: cancel <1993Jun23.133832.4181@Happy-Man.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: cancel <1993Jun23.133832.4181@Happy-Man.com> Message-ID: <1993Jul8.170826.25438@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 17:08:26 GMT cancel <1993Jun23.133832.4181@Happy-Man.com> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: Conversion: .jpg to .tiff in 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jul8.170817.25404@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 References: <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> <1993Jun23.133832.4181@Happy-Man.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 17:08:17 GMT >In <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) writes: >>I just installed 3.1 (black) and discovered that I can no longer >>use ImageViewer 0.9e to convert .jpg image files to .tiff files. >>The SaveAs panel no longer allows selection of tiff, reverting >>(from any setting, actually) to jpeg. >>What other tool is available to do this conversion? >I did not receive any information on other tools to do this >conversion. If anyone else can help, I'd still be interested in >that. Since my posting and summary, I have received more information. A new version of ImageViewer no longer has the problem cited. Also, the pipe "djpeg JPGFILE | pnmtotiff > TIFFFILE" does the trick very well without requiring any interaction or mouse-events, so is especially nice when there are many files to convert. I found a (somewhat strange but usable) version of djpeg inside ImageViewer; I believe it is also available as part of the JPEG source code distribution. pnmtotiff is part of the pbmplus package, available on various archive sites. pnmtotiff gives me silly warning messages about "too many colors, using RGB" when used this way, but appears to do the job well despite them under 3.0, so I've not bothered to investigate the messages. Under 3.1, it seems to trigger the bug that fills up the process table; three or four runs of pnmtotiff and the machine will have to be rebooted. Since this is a known 3.1 bug, I'm not blaming pnmtotiff, just warning you. -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
From: pett@socrates.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Edit expansion dictionary Summary: docs != app Keywords: expansion Message-ID: <pett.742103369@cgl.ucsf.edu> Date: 8 Jul 93 03:49:29 GMT Sender: news@cgl.ucsf.edu (USENET News System) Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab I'm running 3.0 and trying to use the expansion dictionary in Edit. The expansion dictionary panel does not correspond to the on- or offline documentation. The 3.0 release notes say that: "The user interface for the expansion dictionary was completely overhauled. The escape key expansion now works correctly with European characters." No futher explanation is given as to how the new interface works. By analogy to the old interface, I seem to be able to enter keys and values, but typing the key followed by escape in an Edit window produces nothing but a system beep. Has the method of invoking the expansion changed along with the interface? I perused the latest NeXTanswers and found nothing applicable. I even looked in the docs that come with the NS/FIP developer cube and they still document the old expansion dictionary interface. What's the secret to getting the expansion dictionary to work? Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett@cgl.ucsf.edu (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: robocop@lehre24.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Dirk Lehmann + Co) Subject: Mysterious Problem ! Message-ID: <1993Jul8.201648.18915@informatik.uni-bremen.de> Sender: robocop@lehre24 (Dirk Lehmann + Co) Organization: Universitaet Bremen Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 20:16:48 GMT Hello out there ! I have a big, big problem. A few day's ago I want to read some sheets of the NeXT-Documentation on my NeXTstation (NS 3.0), but the Librarian nor Edit.app nor the RTFInspector of the Workspace was able to display the graphics in the text. I only got a NXdefaulticon instead of a figure. I tried some other documents and generated one by myself, but this doesn't worked too. Then I switched from my regular account to an other account, where everything was displayed fine. Opening a rtfd-document on my regular account via NXhost from a shell makes Edit.app displaying all graphics. This event makes me erasing my default-database (~/.NeXT folder). After logging in again, I started Edit and all figures were in place. This might be the end, but it wasn't! After I have placed all the icons back in the dock, I got my deja-vu. No graphics ! After I erased the .NeXT-folder again, I placed an icon one by one and let Edit display a rtfd-document. When I placed ImageViewer in the dock, the same magic appeared. So I started again (get lost ~/.NeXT-folder !) and left my ImageViewer in /LocalApps/Graphics. For a few minutes I was happy : figures placed all around the text and everything on my regular account. But this moment of satisfaction didn't last long and all graphics I saw were NXdefaulticons. So ImageViewer is not to blame for this dilemma. Some other trials were also without effect.... Is there somebody out there who had this problem or is able to solve it ?? Thanks in advance Dirk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisinski@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Dennis Wisinski) Subject: Re: Edit expansion dictionary Message-ID: <C9v7nK.BKn@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <pett.742103369@cgl.ucsf.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 21:28:32 GMT In article <pett.742103369@cgl.ucsf.edu> pett@socrates.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) writes: [lines deleted] > By analogy to the old interface, I seem to be able to > enter keys and values, but typing the key followed by > escape in an Edit window produces nothing but a system > beep. Has the method of invoking the expansion changed > along with the interface? [lines deleted] You have to turn on Emacs keybindings in the Global Options section of Preferences to get the escape key to work. (Pretty obvious, huh? ;-) -- Dennis Wisinski, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center P.O. Box 4349, MS 97 Stanford, CA 94309 wisinski@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Subject: Re: 1.2GB diskdrives and Fax Modems on NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jul8.220308.19608@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993Jul8.165344.37261@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 22:03:08 GMT In article <1993Jul8.165344.37261@slate.mines.colorado.edu> john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) writes: > Many thanks to all of those who replied to my > recent requests for info. One post was > regarding "fax modems for NeXTs" and > another post was regarding "1.2Gb diskdrives on NeXT". > > John Stockwell > Center for Wave Phenomena > Colorado School of Mines > Golden, CO 80401 > john@dix.mines.colorado.edu It would be a apropriate expression of your thankfulness if you posted a summary of those replies, so that others don't have to ask the same questions again. The net should work both ways, favor taken, favor given. This little piece of netiquette seems to have almost disappeared from the csn groups ... It make reading them less and less worthwhile. All you find are questions, hardly any answers. That is very unfortunate. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- > John Stockwell > Center for Wave Phenomena > Colorado School of Mines > Golden, CO 80401 > john@dix.mines.colorado.edu It would be a apropriate expression of your thankfulness if you posted a summary of those replies, so that others don't have to ask the same questions again. The net should work both ways, favor taken, favor given. This little piece of netiquette seems to have almost disappeared from the csn groups ... It make reading them less and less worthwhile. All you find are questions, hardly any answers. That is very unfortunate. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: wmorse@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 9 Jul 1993 00:45:07 GMT Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Message-ID: <21if2jINN6bm@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> References: <16090@blue.cis.pitt.edu> In article <16090@blue.cis.pitt.edu> cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) writes: > > In addition to the things mentioned below, in order to get the > CDPlayer.app to start up upon insertion of CD, you need to set, in > Workspace Preferences, the Public Window Server to On. > > In article <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> jblue@mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: > => > =>To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: > => > =>1. The sound does not come out of the NeXT. You have to > -> connect a cable with a standard mini-stereo plug (like a walkman's) to the > => front of the CD drive, or use a cable with RCA plugs (like most home > => stereo equipment) and connect to the back of the CD drive. Then connect > => the cable to external speakers, preferebly through an amplifier. > -=> > =>=2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert > => an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: > => a. Load from the Demonstrations Package (it could be Developer's - I am > => not sure) the files /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util and > => /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device. > => b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. > => > =>If the above does not do the trick, reconfigure the CD drive's SCSI > =>ID so that it appears as the next device after the boot drive (i.e. if > =>you boot from sd2, set the CD drive to appear as sd3). > => > >-- > >Jason D. Blue > >NeXT Network and Systems Administrator > >The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA > >jblue@mitre.org (NeXT Mail Encouraged!) > >TIP#081 > > > -- > ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** > ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** > ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** > ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 ** ------- Well, I did all that, but whenever I load CDPlayer.app, I get: cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 2 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 7 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied Then it say CDPlayer.app can't find CD Rom drive. Any ideas? - William
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <88322@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 8 Jul 93 23:07:46 GMT References: <16090@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <16090@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Casimir J Palowitch, cjp+@pitt.edu writes: >=>=2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert >=> an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: >=> a. Load from the Demonstrations Package (it could be Developer's - I am >=> not sure) the files /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util and >=> /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device. >=> b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. >=> >=>If the above does not do the trick, reconfigure the CD drive's SCSI >=>ID so that it appears as the next device after the boot drive (i.e. if >=>you boot from sd2, set the CD drive to appear as sd3). I have all of this set up correctly. My NeXT CD-ROM is SCSI ID 2 (making it sd1) and I have the above mentioned files present on my HD. I have "public window server" checked as well. When I insert an audio CD without first launching CD Player.app it is ejected. CD Player.app is in my dock also. What am I missing? By the way, CD Player.app works fine if I launch it before inserting audio CD. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: dave@victim.suite.com (dave raymer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Single index for files on sonata ? Date: 8 Jul 1993 21:33:46 GMT Organization: suite software, dallas, anahiem Distribution: world Message-ID: <21i3rq$oo@bilbo.suite.com> Keywords: help I was wondering if anyone has a single index file, say something like the output of a find, for the sonata.cc.purdue.edu machine for anon ftp hierarchy ? thanks, dave. -- dave@suite.com The opinions expressed are mine, and may not reflect reality. My employer accepts the fact the I am psychotic. Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs. Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com (Eric D. Engstrom) Subject: Re: Directory Tiffs Message-ID: <C9vKyE.G63@basilisk.uucp> Keywords: icons, next-icon@bmt.gun.com, directory tiffs, fun, fun, fun Sender: eric@basilisk.uucp (Eric D. Engstrom) Organization: anonymous References: <69125@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 02:15:49 GMT stgeorge@wam.umd.edu (Jeeves) writes: > Where can I find more of these [directory icon] tiffs? alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) responds: > cs.orst.edu Well, not to be rude here, but you could be a bit more specific. On cs.orst.edu, there is a reasonably up-to-date set of icons from the next-icon mailing list. They are in /pub/next/graphics/next-icon@gun.com. There is also a small set of (old) icons on the purdue archive (sonata.cc.purdue.edu) in /pub/next/graphics/ <somewhere>. I forget exactly where. Also, for those of you who don't know and are iterested, here is some info regarding the next-icon mailing list: ------ (snagged directly from the subscription notice): -------- ------ (hope you don't mind, Tim. :-) ------ NeXT-icon is a mailing list dedicated to the distribution of mail pictures, application and document icons, and cutting-edge .dir.tiff images. NeXT-icon accepts the following type of messages: 48 x 48 pixel application and document icons. 48 x 48 pixel .dir.tiff and .opendir.tiff images. 64 x 64 pixel mail pictures. Tricks and tips related to creating icon images. Software reviews and recommendations. New product announcements. NOTE: DO NOT subscribe to this list if occasionally-frivolous NeXTmail irritates you. DO NOT send nextlogin.tiff panels, sounds, or any images larger than 64 x 64 pixels. You may reach NeXT-icon through the following e-mail addresses: Administrative requests go to: next-icon-request@bmt.gun.com Submissions go to to: next-icon@bmt.gun.com ----------------------------- Eric +------------ Eric D. Engstrom, Honeywell Systems & Research Center, Mpls, MN, USA engstrom@src.honeywell.com -or- NeXT: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com < I eat from the four food groups: Barley, Hops, Yeast, Water >
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: tip/zmodem summary Message-ID: <113.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 04:33:36 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Thanks to various folks for responding on this...I don't have to switch to DOS anymore just to download files! I can actually download in the background...hey, is this the 90's or what! Anyway, to summarize: 1) csh doesn't work with tip for some unixy reason, but sh does so include the following in your .tiprc file SHELL=/bin/sh 2) I thought that I would be piping the remote data (from sz) INTO a a local process, and hence $| is appropriate. The suggestion was to instead first start sz remotely, then pipe the OUTPUT from rz to it using ~$. It seemed strange, but it worked. From my terminal session: [halcyon]:/d/pkorona/ftp> sz saystring.c **B00000000000000 ~$Local command? rz -1 rz ready. To begin transfer, type "sz file ..." to your modem program Incoming: saystring.c 6909 5411353327 100644 Receiving saystring.c BIN w 6144 ZMODEM CRC-32 Please read the manual page BUGS chapter! away for 22 seconds ! sz 3.24 5-16-93 finished. Note that rz needs the -1 argument to tell it to read from STDOUT. The version of rz that I found in the NeXT archives did not recognize this option, but it was a simple hack. Diff of change follows: korona> diff rz.c.orig rz.c 202a203 > int ReceiveOn=0; /* receive from STDIN */ 318a320,321 > case '1': > ReceiveOn=1; break; 682c685 < /* ioctl(0, TIOCFLUSH, 0); */ --- > /* ioctl(ReceiveOn, TIOCFLUSH, 0); */ 690c693 < Lleft=read(0, cdq=linbuf, Readnum); --- > Lleft=read(ReceiveOn, cdq=linbuf, Readnum); 713c716 < ioctl(0, TCFLSH, 0); --- > ioctl(ReceiveOn, TCFLSH, 0); 715c718 < lseek(0, 0L, 2); --- > lseek(ReceiveOn, 0L, 2); Hope this helps someone else. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: k0s8160@chenext1.tamu.edu (Kenji Seto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Nexs Grazer problems Date: 9 Jul 1993 12:26:51 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <21jo6b$pp7@tamsun.tamu.edu> Greetings, I am running NewsGrazer (ver 72.2), and it has been working fine for months. Today, when I tried to read rec.food.cooking the application just dies, disappears, completely quits. I don't seem to have this problem with any other news group. I have tried reading this group on two other NeXTs (stations & turbos) and it happens on all machines repeatedly. Has anyone had a similar problem? Has my copy been corrupted in some way? I am going to try to get another from the FTP sites. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Kenji
From: k0s8160@chenext1.tamu.edu (Kenji Seto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NewsGrazer problems, addenum Date: 9 Jul 1993 12:36:54 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <21jop6$qeh@tamsun.tamu.edu> I just downloaded v72.3 from sonata and it does the same thing. -Kenji
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Edit expansion dictionary Message-ID: <Jul9.142923.13862@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 14:29:23 GMT References: <pett.742103369@cgl.ucsf.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: expansion > No futher explanation is given as to how the new interface > works. By analogy to the old interface, I seem to be able to > enter keys and values, but typing the key followed by escape in > an Edit window produces nothing but a system beep. Has the > method of invoking the expansion changed along with the > interface? No, but for some reason you need to have Emacs key bindings turned on for the expansion dictionary to work. If it isn't on, you get the system beep as described above. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: k0s8160@chenext1.tamu.edu (Kenji Seto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NewsGrazer problems, cure for the problem Date: 9 Jul 1993 15:52:58 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <21k48q$gdl@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <21jop6$qeh@tamsun.tamu.edu> The recent problem I had with NewsGrazer arose from the fact that someone made a posting in the newsgroup, rec.food.cooking that had some sort of offending subject line that caused NewsGrazer to instantly crash. By restarting NewsGrazer repeatedly, and editing my .newsrc file I have determined that the offending article is somewhere between 42818 and 42838. The quick fix solution is to just hit [catch-up] before it gets to reading the subject line. I hope that the author of the code will try to investigate further. -Kenji
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 9 Jul 1993 16:22:18 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <21k5vqINNkoo@golden.kaleida.com> References: <21if2jINN6bm@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> In article <21if2jINN6bm@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> wmorse@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) writes: >cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 2 >cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied >cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 7 >cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied > >Then it say CDPlayer.app can't find CD Rom drive. Any ideas? > Yes, if you notice, the /usr/filesystem/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util gets installed with owner setuid on. So it MUST be installed as root! I suspect that you have it installed under your user id instead of root. This is what happened to me. Furthermore, you'll notice /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer ALSO has the setuid bit set. So it too must be installed as root. I had all of the above problems and when I reinstalled the Demonstrations.pkg as root, everything worked like a charm. It sure would have been nice to add the little bit of code to check this out for the user and pop up an alert panel saying that it's installed incorrectly...I think Stuart does something like this. Anyway, this worked for me...mileage may vary. Good Luck. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail appreciated Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleid.com ...................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (S. Matis, 13th Generation) Subject: Mathematica ... ok, now it works. Message-ID: <C9wsGr.K7o@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Wolfnet Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 17:55:39 GMT My Thanks to the many netfolk who helped me out. The answer to the 0$ question was : Install the Large Kernel if you wanna make it work. That's Ver. 2.0.4 of Mma running on Gold 3.0 of NEXTSTEP. Thanks Again, S. I. Matis, Hapilly 3DPlotting !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: How to make packages? (.pkg files) Message-ID: <1993Jul9.190056.18822@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 19:00:56 GMT Hi, I'm trying to put together my own program as a multi-volume archive on floppy disks, is there any easy way to do this? Is there any reference teachs me how to make .pkg file for my own programs? Also, anybody familiar with the .chunk files?? How can I put them back together after I seperate them into several disks. Thanks in advance. Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdstest1@bnr.ca Subject: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Upgrade and Phone # request Message-ID: <1993Jul9.181151.23154@bnr.ca> Sender: parkhill@nnepy220 (Rob Parkhill) Organization: Bell Northern Research Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 18:11:51 GMT Well, I just talked to a guy at NeXT and ordered my 3.1 upgrade. For those who care, the total cost is about CDN$287. That breaks down into: US$75 + US$35 shiiping for the Users package, and US$99 + US$15 shipping for the Developers package for a total of US$224. Mulitply that by 1.28 and I get CDN$286.72 They told me that the Dev package would be out "right away", and that the Users package is back-ordered 2 to 3 weeks (damn!). Anyone in the Ottawa area have a 3.1 CD they can lend me for a few days? :-) As for the request, I wanted to order the Edu CD-ROM from NeXT, but I've got 2 numbers... the 800 848 NeXT and the 800 677 NeXT number. Now, which one do I call to order said CD... I suppose trial and error might work here :-) later... Ert -- Ert Parkhill || Farfromthinkin || These are my opinions. All mine! My REAL email address || - 3 blondes in || NO! I won't share them. Don't even is: mdstest1@bnr.ca || a Volkswagen - || ask! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: NeXT 030 Cubes Message-ID: <C9ww51.Lrw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <946EBEMS@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 19:15:00 GMT In article <946EBEMS@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: >Some further drawbacks: > > - no floppy disk You can add a SCSI one, right? Actually, that's rhetorical because I know you can. > In my opinion a cube is o.k. as long as you don't want to do serious > NS programming or need to use any computing intensive software like > in image processing. And, of course, an '040 cube fixes that. How hard is it to upgrade an '030 cube to an '040 these days? I'd like to get the rest of ours done, but it's probably tough now. :-( ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Single index for files on sonata ? Message-ID: <C9ww9E.MCJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <21i3rq$oo@bilbo.suite.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 19:17:37 GMT In article <21i3rq$oo@bilbo.suite.com> dave@victim.suite.com (dave raymer) writes: > I was wondering if anyone has a single index file, say something like the > output of a find, for the sonata.cc.purdue.edu machine for anon ftp > hierarchy ? There's one coming, along with a companion program to do some searching and other operations. I'm trying to finish some other projects here right now, but I hope to have that and many other Archive goodies done by next semester. Then all we'll need is more disk space. :-( ab
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 9 Jul 1993 20:49:19 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <21klkf$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> In article Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com, kunal@passion.pilot.dmg.ml.com (Kunal Singh) writes: > Has anyone successfully used this application ? > Yes, but ONLY on a *GENUINE* NeXT CD-ROM drive. Others are probably not audio-command equivalent, even if they have the same basic SONY mechanism. Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: DIT, do they still exist? Message-ID: <1993Jul9.212036.15672@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 21:20:36 GMT I have OnDuty, and it doesn't seem to work in NS 3.1. I tried to call them and the number is disconnected. Anyone got a clue? Digital Instrumentation Technology, Inc. 127 Eastgate Dr, #20500 Los Alamos, NM 87544 505-662-1459 Thanks! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 9 Jul 1993 23:22:17 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <21kuj9$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <21hiur$n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu, srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) writes: > In article <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> jblue@mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: > > > >To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: > [CHOMP] > > > >2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert > > an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: > [CHOMP] > > b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. > > > BUT WHY????? > > As someone who's had to play around with scsi id's to get my system to work, > I don't understand what NeXT could've done that would make any of the sd# > devices different from one another (except for the boot drive). Remember, CDPlayer is an unsupported demo app. It's probably some hack that some NeXT employee through together one night, then showed his buddies at work the next day. As a hack, any strange behavior is possible. Maybe the original author had his CD-ROM drive as '/dev/sd1', so he coded CDPlayer to expect that. Who knows. Who cares. It's just a hacked-up demo anyway (albiet, a cool one). Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) Subject: ARES announces ZZVolume version 1.4 for NEXTSTEP 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jul9.231841.28553@arakis.fdn.org> Sender: news@arakis.fdn.org Organization: ARES - Lyon, France. Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 23:18:41 GMT News For more information, contact: ARES +33 72 80 16 30 +33 72 80 16 32 fax zz@ares.fdn.org USA: Alembic Systems, Inc (303)799-6223 (303)799-1435 fax infos@alembic.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE LYON , France, the 25 of June 1993 : ARES announces the availability of ZZVolume version 1.4 for NEXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola and Intel with new prices. ZZVOLUME NEW PUBLIC PRICES (Prices are in USD, taxes excluded). Retail Price : 1995 $ Education Price : 998 $ Prices subject to change without notice. Taxes, shipping and handling charges are additional, and vary with the size of your order. ZZVolume (TM) is the first architectural CAD program available on NEXTSTEP. As a powerfull modelisation tool, ZZVolume enable to create 3D spaces at an incredible speed - including entire buildings - and to virtualy tour the spaces you create. As a professional tool for architects, interior designers, booth designers, facilities managers, and anyone who needs to quikly plan and present space, ZZVolume is indispensable. Features Included: - Multiples support for importation and exportation including 2D and 3D DXF-Autocad , EPS, export RIB formats to Solid Thinking (TM), Datalink to intuitiv'3D (TM). - Wireframe,shadows, Postscript vectorial hidden faces with or without edge rendering, direct Renderman connexion . - All transformation, creation and connexions benefits of real CAD precision and can be done in any view, even perspective view. - Multiple Views, Multi Layering (up to 4000 layers in a project), User definable tool palette. - Support for walls (blocks), polylines, splines, circles, openings, objects and automatic sized frames and sashes. Features in development : - Animation (walk through your house). - Light directly included in objects - Connexion to database ZZVolume features interactivity like you wouldn't believe....... Please contact ARES or Alembic for any informations
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Subject: Can I use my NEXTSTEP/FIP drive as SCSI ID 2? Message-ID: <1993Jul10.020412.8437@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 02:04:12 GMT Hello! After sweating for about a week, I finally succeeded in instlling NEXTSTEP. The only problem is that I had put the drive it was to be installed on at SCSI ID 0. However, I wish to use another drive at SCSI ID 0 from now on. Is there a way to get NEXTSTEP to boot at SCSI ID 2? I tried using the installation disk, using: fd()mach_kernel rootdev=sd2 but the system stops during the boot, leaving me in a shell prompt. Can I modify my configuration files somehow? Thanks a lot for any help! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini * * The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. * *******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <1993Jul9.232444.3314@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 23:24:44 GMT As somebody who makes the telecomm product you all need to have to use the serial drivers, all I can say is chill out. NeXT has never considered Serial communications very important, but they are learning. They have the latest MicroPhone and are trying to make sure everything is working. And getting serial stuff working on all PC's is very tricky business. Hopefully, they will give me the serial driver, I'll put it on the disk, and August 1 (real tentative date), everybody can use their modems again. Meanwhile, let's all calm down and wait. Nobody likes to wait a month, but it's not going to kill anyone. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: redmond@mindvox.phantom.com (David Redmond) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <TuTg7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Sender: mindvox@mindvox.phantom.com (MindVox) Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system References: <1993Jul9.232444.3314@svcdudes.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 09:36:04 GMT moose@svcdudes.com writes: > > As somebody who makes the telecomm product you all need to have to use the > serial drivers, all I can say is chill out. NeXT has never considered Serial > communications very important, but they are learning. They have the latest > MicroPhone and are trying to make sure everything is working. And getting > serial stuff working on all PC's is very tricky business. Hopefully, they wi > give me the serial driver, I'll put it on the disk, and August 1 (real > tentative date), everybody can use their modems again. As much as I hate to burst your bubble, the overwhelming need to run MicroPhone is probably NOT the reason that most people are upset that plugging a modem into the serial port makes the system crash. The main reason I know of that people in our department need to use modems for, are to network several floors of office space that are not yet wired for ethernet, using simple SLIP hookups, which give flexible and on-demand networking for many departments. I would imagine others have similar needs. From my own personal perspective I might get a little upset if I had a NeXT and wanted to login to Vox or CIS from home and couldn't do it, but that's not really the issue. Note that this is in no way a disparagement of MicroPhone which is in fact one of two programs (along with CABLES) that we will be looking at in the very near future, its simply the reality that running a terminal program is somewhere a distant second or third, behind running SLIP or shell scripts that make use of rz, sz, etc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <C9xznI.4M1@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA References: <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <1993Jul9.232444.3314@svcdudes.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 09:28:29 GMT moose@svcdudes.com wrote: : As somebody who makes the telecomm product you all need to have to use the : serial drivers, all I can say is chill out. NeXT has never considered Serial : communications very important, but they are learning. They have the latest : MicroPhone and are trying to make sure everything is working. And getting : serial stuff working on all PC's is very tricky business. Hopefully, they will : give me the serial driver, I'll put it on the disk, and August 1 (real : tentative date), everybody can use their modems again. : Meanwhile, let's all calm down and wait. Nobody likes to wait a month, but : it's not going to kill anyone. : -- : Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com : Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer : Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro : #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
From: Cader@auvm.american.edu@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Cader@auvm.american.edu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HARD DISK POWER SUPPLY PROBLEMS Message-ID: <4380.2C3D8174@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 8 Jul 93 20:49:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Cader@auvm.american.edu - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Cader@auvm.american.edu@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: DFax and FaxModems (was Re: ``Object Oriented Software'') Message-ID: <1993Jul10.073049.2110@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: bruce@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 07:30:49 GMT Time to clear up a couple of mis-statements which have appeared in this (csn.advocacy) newsgroup, and inform our present customers and customers to come. -- This message is in response to a migrating name thread last called:...and Telebit modems (was:...) 1. Presently Supported Hardware DFax is currently available in v1.04d - SupraFAXmodem and v1.04k - (BABT approved)-Mistral-FaxModem version. Each modem is supported to the capacity of the modem. The SupraFAXmodem version supports ``Adaptive Answering'' so the DFax-Supra version does too. The Mistral supports Fax OR Data on incoming calls. Outgoing calls on all versions can have any mix of fax and data calls, and intermixed with incoming calls according to setting. Either version may be set to only accept Fax or Data calls, and this behaviour can be varied by system-clock events if desired. With v1.04, an entirely new .app has been included which allows the Superuser, group `Staff' and `Wheel' or any user (handy for private systems) to override the default behaviour on a call-by-call basis, -- allowing receipt of faxen from broken or improperly desined fax equipment which does not produce the distinctive ``CNG'' tone with a manual override. Other administrative functions are also available to the superuser, including a temporary disable which effectively removes DFax interaction from the system for such things as debugging a SLIP connection with a single button -- off -- on. v1.04 also allows ``manual answer'' which allows for switching from voice to data or fax on an established voice call when both the faxmodem and telephone share the same line. ``Procedure interrupt'' (switching the other direction, from fax-to-voice) is under study. v1.04 app displays status on-dock with a backup explanation option when activity is noted but semi-distinct. The app must execute on the server, but may use a remote windowserver. DFax has been designed also, to allow timed behaviour, that-is background (cron) control of its behaviour - answer/no-answer, adaptive (on FaxModems which support adaptive answer), fax-only data-only according to the needs of the administrator. This function does require knowledgable setup. Other items are now GUI push-buttons & selections. v1.04d (Supra) will operate with NEXTSTEP v2.1/2.2, 3.0 or 3.1. v1.04k (Mistral) will operate with NEXTSTEP v3.0 or v3.1 DFax leaves the serial port UNOCCUPIED when it is not actually in use. The only allowance needed by other software is the sending of an ATZ, ATZ1 or other initialization strings desirable to share the modem for outgoing calls. (suid-uucp is also recommended for compatibility with uucp uses of the modem). DFax does leave the modem in a state ready to accept calls if the modem is sent an ATA, and the primary noticable dif- ference between the DFax initialization and other uses is that command-echo is turned off by DFax intialization to enhance processing. 2. Compatibility DFax has been shown compatible with SoftPC usage of the modem (i.e. Prodigy software) with uucp, MicroPhone-Pro, kermit, tip, cu, SLIP, and ppp. When SLIP/ppp is used, DFax is same-line and same-call compatible with telnet, ftp, rlogin, net-shared filesystems, remote Windowserver, gateway operations to other networks, and Net-Backup operations... In short the only thing we've been incompatible with was some Scanner/Tablet software which plays with the DFax port, even when it is installed for the other port. DFax receives outgoing faxen from normal Print-Panel option jobs, and places incoming faxen for the standard NEXTSTEP Fax Reader application. Background generation of faxes by non-GUI Unix tasks has been done, but is not directly supported by DFax or Total System Software. Incoming data calls may be from anything which would work with /usr/etc/getty answering the line, as it actually does receive all incoming (if configured) data calls, which normally passes the login response to the standard Unix login program. 3. New Version available to registered users We have established (307)-635-3751 v.42bis/14400 for a ``Public'' login on one of our NeXT systems. Similar to an anonymous-ftp login, send ``guest'' as the login id, and your E-Mail address at the password prompt. This allows download of a few `public' files, chat with TSS personnel (talk) when available, and quick on-system posting of E-Mail queries, including request for upgrade-login. Registered licensees of DFax, including both pre-release and later purchasers may (after obtaining a secondary login id & password) download the latest version ready to install on their system. (Other extensions are in development which will be free ONLY to pre-release customers). Download will be in one of the following manners Download timings are approximate: Z-Modem 4.5 min (sent with sz -Z) Kermit 9-12 min (default settings, no-swin) X- or Y-Modem 10-15 min ASCII Streamed/UU-Encoded 23-min. Terminal emulation supported defaults to NeXT's termcap XTERM, an excellent vt100 variant, compatible with C-Kermit Terminal.app, PC-Kermit, and nearly all vt-100/-102 -320... emulations. Prompts are presented for use of Z-Modem (or other protocols) under C-Kermit when selected for download. Registered licensees of DFax are invited to login (guest) or E-Mail for upgrade access. Download passwords will NOT be issued on-line. E-Mail requests should be addressed to emily@TotSysSoft.com Upgrade announcement was delayed by equipment problems and the arrival of 3.1-NEXTSTEP. Upgrading from 1.0x to 1.04 does NOT imply a multiplication of license. A registered licensee may use any combination of versions two-modems per license purchased, on one or two workstations. When the second modem is on a second NeXT not the property of the licensee, support is to the licensee only. 4. Under development v1.20 (current designation) is under development which will support Supra, Mistra, ZyXEL, HSD, and if negotiations meet expectations, the new DoveFax 14400 FaxModem. This version may be field-upgradable for other faxmodems, but will support any combination of these four. (two per license). As always, v1.04 and v1.20 are licensed for support of up to two faxmodems on one or two NEXTSTEP systems. If lowest level code (and serial driver fix) for FIP timing coincides, this will be furnished in fat binaries -- thus the two licensed usages will be for any combination of white and black NEXTSTEP. v1.20 will REQUIRE v3.1 NEXTSTEP (or FIP). In either case net-faxing from white or black is the same. We're finally getting into the swing to support other fax modems on a timely basis when reasonable communication is available from the modem manufacturer, regarding exact proper activity of THEIR subset of Class-2 behaviour. 5. Availablility (blatant advertisement) DFax is available Retail or to Dealers or Educational buyers from Alembic Systems Ltd. of Denver, CO and London UK. E-Mail to robbie@Alembic.com for pricing. A Toll-free support and order number is also maintained by Alembic-Denver. 1-800-452-7608 or 1-303-799-6223 Sorry, upgrade downloads and upgrade download passwords are not (yet) available from Alembic. 6. WHAT IS ADAPTIVE ANSWER? Adaptive answer is a feature on some FaxModems which detect the ``CNG'' warble-ringing tone emitted by properly functioning fax equipment during dialing and until connection by the dialed party. FaxModems with this feature will generally answer in Data mode (if the feature is enabled) if this tone is not present when the phone is answered. The modem will notify the computer of the type of call. 7. WHAT IS DISTINCTIVE RING Distinctive ring is two different timings of incoming rings depending upon the telephone number dialed. Current DFax versions count rings as sent by the modem. The most common distinctive ring is as follows... Line-1 RING RING RING RING Line-2 RING RING RING RING RING RING Some modems accept the double-rings as a single ring sending a single ``RING'' message to the host. Others send every ring. You may observe the same behaviour on a variety of answering machines. 8. Modems to be considered for support A. Must have some modicum of developer support from manufacturer B. Should, but does not HAVE to, support adaptive answer C. Must support Class-2, 2., or 2.0 protocols. D. Should be already in production E. Should be operable over standard Serial cu/tty devices F. Must support at least 19200bps DCE-DTE G. Modem must be answerable in Fax/Data mode with ATA H. SHOULD not require NVRAM writes to disable auto-answer 9. The ``Damn'' ad campaign in NeXT-World wasn't my idea. :) Bruce DFax/DFAX is a trademark of Total System Software NEXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT, Inc. ------------------------------------ Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com Total System Software - the creators of DFax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@desdemona.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Mysterious Problem ! Message-ID: <6J9EBBXC@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1993Jul8.201648.18915@informatik.uni-bremen.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 13:52:39 GMT Hi, this is a Repost of a message sent some weeks ago: -------START REPOST------ Bug Note: NeXT has acknowledged a bug in their text object which effects image services within rtfd documents when the graphic files have "short" names. Instead of the graphic appearing, a NeXT logo icon appears. This bug is fixed under NS 3.1. Excerpt from NS 3.1 Appkit release notes ... Reference: 30376 Problem: If the ImageAgent filtering service was installed, some images in ".rftd" directories appeared as the NeXT logo. Description: Because of a bug in the way the Text class handles ".rftd" directories, image data in files with names less than eight characters weren't imaged. Instead, the default image, a NeXT logo, were displayed. ------END REPOST------- As far as I know, this only happens while using ImageAgent, but it is definitly a bug in the Text class. I don't know of any workaround other than editing the files and renaming the graphics to something *longer* than eight characters. Ciao, Stephan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ / Stephan Trebels voice: +49 551 44690 /| +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | | <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> "No NeXTmail yet, it's a HP" | + | <trebels@desdemona.theo-phys.gwdg.de> "NeXTmail welcome" |/ +--------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <21msf5$6hu@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Keywords: broken garbage non-responsive company chapter 11 Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <R1Za7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 16:58:13 GMT In article <To1a7B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >deadboy@mindvox.phantom.com (The Dead) writes: >> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: >> (of the Artek, Ardal and Amran family of consultants to Shysters, Thieves >> and Profiteers, and all around annoying group of people ;-) Pbbblt) >> Joseph is a putz, I can say that because my future employment will >Sir this constitutes libel and defamation of character and is utterly >uncalled for, especially from an individual who does not even use his name >My lawyers will draft a formal response and deliver them to you care of >MindVox, who I'm sure will be pleased to know they are accomplices to your >attack upon my person. Yow! Welcome to the net :-) - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Date: 10 Jul 1993 18:35:09 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <21nqod$6b7@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <21msf5$6hu@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> In article <21msf5$6hu@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: :>My lawyers will draft a formal response and deliver them to you care of :>MindVox, who I'm sure will be pleased to know they are accomplices to your :>attack upon my person. : :Yow! : :Welcome to the net :-) : :- db hell figure out soon enough when his Lawyer tells him it won't work. Remember, looser foots the bill... -Matt :-- :<Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve :<It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock : tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink : wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <1993Jul10.224003.507@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <21hiur$n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <21kuj9$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 22:40:03 GMT Lots of people write: >[...lots of stuff...] Well, here's my contribution to all the FUD flying around. I bought a Texel 3024 CD-ROM drive today, and installed it in my external SCSI goodies enclosure. I've got two hard disks, SCSI IDs 0 and 1, and the Texel is SCSI ID 2. Thus the CD-ROM drive is sd2, not sd1. Since I installed my system as root like you're supposed to, all the setuid CD bits are set up properly. I switched on public window server for my account so CDPlayer.app could be launched when I shove in an audio CD. Results? I'm playing U2's "Zooropa" on the Texel as I type this message. I'd say it works, unless that's not supposed to be Johnny Cash singing on the last cut. :~) Maybe there are CD-ROM drives that aren't compatible with audio CDs under NEXTSTEP, but my Texel doesn't seem to be one of them. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
From: amlovell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony M Lovell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Bottom Line, please: Intel or black? Message-ID: <1993Jul11.150240.280@Princeton.EDU> Date: 11 Jul 93 15:02:40 GMT Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Originator: news@nimaster I need the bottom line. Is a 66 MHz Gateway 66V with 24 MB & 2 MB ATI GUP & IDE disk going to run NS/FIP better than a black 040 at 25 (or 33) MHz? I have an order in on such a 486 and want to know if I should cancel and buy used black instead. Also relevent: so far, how good has NeXT support (3.1) been for the black hardware? tony (reply to tony@wildfire.com) -- amlovell@phoenix.princeton.edu ...since 1963.
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 11 Jul 1993 16:36:51 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <21pfj3$nnp@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <C9r07t.Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com> <21klkf$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> Originator: srosie@whitman.ccs.itd.umich.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jul 93 00:20:04 +0200 From: Michael Hallin <work@dannug.dk> To: srosie@umich.edu Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app In comp.sys.next.misc article <21hiur$n8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> you wrote: >>>In article <1993Jul8.121132.24251@linus.mitre.org> jblue@mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: >>>> >>>>To the two people who are trying to get the CDPlayer working: >>>[CHOMP] >>>> >>>>2. For the CDPlayer application to start up automatically when you insert >>>> an audio CD you have to make sure you got two things stright: >>>[CHOMP] >>>> b. Configure the CD drive's SCSI ID so that it appears as sd1. >>>> >>> BUT WHY????? >>> >>>As someone who's had to play around with scsi id's to get my system to work, >>>I don't understand what NeXT could've done that would make any of the sd# >>>devices different from one another (except for the boot drive). >>>If anyone out there has a good understanding of devices in UNIX, I would >>>much appreciate an explanation as to why setting devices to different >>>numbers has a significant effect on the system. >>> >>> thanks in advance, >>> steve "rosie" rosenblum >>> srosie@umich.edu Hi Steve Well, I hate to dissapoint you, but I&)ve been running the CDPlayer.app for about 5 months now, and it starts itself when a audio CD is inserted, both from root and from other users as well ---- AND my CDROM drive is the same Sony drive as used in NeXT&)s own drives, AND the SCSI ID of the drive is 5! AND I have a whole other bunch of stuff hanging on the chain as well and it&)s still working. So it can work, but don&)t ask me about the differences people are experiencing, but it seems to me, that the part about having to put the drive with certain ID or that other stuff that came out, it&)s necessary on my machine. BTW I&)m working on a ColorStation, 20Megs, 400Megs, NS 3.0 Best regards Michael PS. Please forward this as I can&)t post news at the moment, thanks -- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 _____________________________________________
From: sdreilin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Sean Dreilinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DTC SCSI Controller for NS/FIP? Summary: is anybody getting a dtc scsi controller to work? Keywords: DTC, NS/FIP, SCSI Message-ID: <51763@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Jul 93 20:00:32 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Dear NeXT community: Is anybody trying to install NS/FIP on a system that uses the DTC 3290 caching EISA scsi controller? This controller is supposed to be Adaptec 1542b compatible, so i have tried the NeXTanswers-recommended settings for IRQ,, memory address, etc. for the adaptec controller, but no luck. If you have succeeded, or are even trying with a DTC controller, please contact me at: sdreilin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu and I will ... 1. contact Valorie Koch at DTC and find out what they recommend//are doing. 2. write you back or post a summary here. Thanks in advance if anybody can post the magic settings... Sincerely, Sean Dreilinger :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Shipping Costs Message-ID: <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1993 21:24:58 GMT I find that some software venders are using excessively expensive shipping services and not providing customers a lower priced choice. In particular, I recently purchased the TextToSpeech Kit from Trillium Sound Research Inc. of Albertha, Canada. I made the purchase, in part, because of a temproary price reduction; an offer of their User Kit for $95.00 (US). I paid via VISA an later found a shipping charge of $20.00 (Canadian) had bee added to the base cost. I beleive this works out to a US shipping cost of $16.52. I later received a bill from Federal Express for $5.10, not sure what this was but it appears to be some sort of tax. Leaving the latter charge (tax?) out of the equation this means that the shipping charge was aprox 15% of the total cost. Perhaps we have been too hard in our criticism of the U.S. Mail system. Certainly 1ST Class Mail would have been significantly cheaper and I had no immediate need for this app. The bottom line: Please provide alternative (slower and cheaper) means of shipping S.W. product. These are not typically easily damaged in shipment and frequently are not time critical. Does any one else feel this way, or am I the lone complainer? --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: begonia@abstractsoft.com (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shipping Costs Date: 11 Jul 1993 22:37:20 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Message-ID: <21q4n0$6o0@news.u.washington.edu> References: <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Keywords: Shipping Costs In article <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: >I find that some software venders are using excessively expensive >shipping services and not providing customers a lower priced choice. >In particular, I recently purchased the TextToSpeech Kit from >Trillium Sound Research Inc. of Albertha, Canada. I made the >purchase, in part, because of a temproary price reduction; an >offer of their User Kit for $95.00 (US). I paid via VISA an >later found a shipping charge of $20.00 (Canadian) had bee added > > [munch munch munch munch] > >Perhaps we have been too hard in our criticism of the U.S. Mail >system. Certainly 1ST Class Mail would have been significantly >cheaper and I had no immediate need for this app. > > [munch munch munch munch] Seeing as how your product was shipped from Canada I doubt that it could have been shipped directly via US Mail. From what I know of the Canadian mail system (which I admit is very little), it is better to have it shipped via Federal Express. Do realize that "international" mail, even if it is only from as far away as Canada, will be more exspensive. When purchasing a product you should always ask what shipping and handling charges will be (and any other charges there might be). That way they aren't ``hidden'' charges. When we ship our product, since it only weights 1lb 8oz, we ship it 2-day Priority Mail for domestic packages. This only costs the customer $3 and they receive their product quickly. Personally, I prefer companies to ship their products to me either via US mail or Federal Express. I try and avoid UPS at all costs because their such buttheads about delivery. [They expect you to take time off work so that you can be there during the time that they deliver. I once got them to make a special delivery after their regular hours after several rounds with them which finished with me asking them to mail me the package through US mail.] -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software P.O. Box 25045 Seattle, WA 98125 206/361-5080 e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Rob Tibshirani) Subject: Re: Shipping Costs Message-ID: <CA0upt.Csp@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1993 22:34:41 GMT In article <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: >I find that some software venders are using excessively expensive >shipping services and not providing customers a lower priced choice. >In particular, I recently purchased the TextToSpeech Kit from >Trillium Sound Research Inc. of Albertha, Canada. I made the >purchase, in part, because of a temproary price reduction; an >offer of their User Kit for $95.00 (US). I paid via VISA an >later found a shipping charge of $20.00 (Canadian) had bee added >to the base cost. I beleive this works out to a US shipping cost >of $16.52. I later received a bill from Federal Express for >$5.10, not sure what this was but it appears to be some sort >of tax. Leaving the latter charge (tax?) out of the equation >this means that the shipping charge was aprox 15% of the total >cost. This is not the fault of canadian companies. Rather it is the fault of the US border police who are using every trick in the book to prevent imports from selling there. Perhaps your government should look at its own hidden protectionist ways before chiding Japan. I have sent a lot of hardware/software to the US (some sold and some just as a present and some returned because it was defective- the hw). I typically used UPS ground which is less than Fed Ex, although I did price out the Fed Ex alternative. Here's what happens. Even if goods are not subject to duty, handling, etc... they are typically examined (at random) by your border in order to see if there is something that can be taxed. The cost of this is then passed on to the sendor (me in these cases) and seemed to be random. Roughly $10US->$15US. This is a handling fee just to see if there is something to collect. I was charged this amount for sending back a defective midi keyboard, and am still appealing this. All is not that rosy up here either, but if you want to see hidden trade barriers you need only look no further than your own borders. >Perhaps we have been too hard in our criticism of the U.S. Mail >system. Certainly 1ST Class Mail would have been significantly >cheaper and I had no immediate need for this app. Well mail may or may not work, and there's the tracking issue. > >The bottom line: Please provide alternative (slower and cheaper) >means of shipping S.W. product. These are not typically easily >damaged in shipment and frequently are not time critical. I agree. It works both ways. When I first called up NeXT Connection years ago the cost of shipping a cable was greater than the cost of the cable. You want the costs to go down then you've got to reign in the rabid nationalists on both sides of the border. >Does any one else feel this way, or am I the lone complainer? Nope you certainly are not alone. Someone is making a lot from this. It isn't clear who it is though. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <88361@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 12 Jul 93 01:16:43 GMT References: <21k5vqINNkoo@golden.kaleida.com> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <21k5vqINNkoo@golden.kaleida.com> Paul Marcos, marcos@kaleida.com writes: >>Then it say CDPlayer.app can't find CD Rom drive. Any ideas? A while back I posted in this thread to say that I couldn't get CDPlayer.app to auto launch on the insertion of an audio CD. Well, yesterday I tried it again just for kicks and found that lo and behold it "just works" now. I don't know what happened, I certainly didn't change anything. Oh well... To summarize my experiences with CDPlayer.app... My system: NeXTcube '040 16/349 running NS 3.0, NeXT CD-ROM drive, Apple CD300 drive. With NeXT CD-ROM drive set to SCSI id 2 (sd1) CDPlayer.app will auto launch and work fine on insertion of audio CD, both from the dock and when not in the dock (this being immediately after a reboot). With Apple CD300 set to SCSI id 2 (I swapped it with the NeXT drive) CDPlayer.app behaves in exactly the same manner as with the NeXT drive. CDPlayer.app (as expected) will not recognize a second CD-ROM (ie whichever is not set to sd1). It will however, recognize a single drive regardless of which ID it is at. I did absolutely nothing to get this to work. I checked the existence of the appropriate files which were installed as part of the developer system (install done as root, I might add). Thats it. Now if I could only get pCD.app to run on insertion of a PhotoCD... Hopefully some useful info here. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) Subject: Workshop on "3D modelling in NEXTSTEP" Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 10:02:00 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul12.100200.2211@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> State University in Milan Computer Science Department Via Comelico 39/41 - Milan (Italy) Workshop July, 15th 1993, h. 16.00 Mr. Carlo Volpati will talk about "3D modelling in NEXTSTEP using solidThinking Modeler " Abstract solidThinking Modeler is a professional 3D modelling system composed by a complex primitive generator, morphing, an advanced 2d profile editor, multiple lofting and deformations that you can apply to extruded or rotated objects, automatic generation of shadows and reflection maps, unlimited output resolution. The interactive photorealistic rendering is done through Pixar's program RenderMan , included in NEXTSTEP. During the workshop, solidThinking modeler will be demonstrated by Carlo Volpati, co-author of the package. The workshop is organized by the Computer Science Department - State University in Milan, with the collaboration of NeXT2YOU - The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group -- Giardini Michele - Computer Science Department State University of Milan - Coordinator of NeXT2YOU (The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) Via Comelico 39/41 - 20135 Milano Tel. +39 2 55006385 Fax +39 2 55006373 Email: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (NeXT mail welcome)
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS Serial Port Drivers. HELLO??? Anyone home???? Message-ID: <115.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 15:05:01 PDT References: <1993Jul9.232444.3314@svcdudes.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: moose@svcdudes.com > Sender: news@svcdudes.com > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 23:24:44 GMT > > > As somebody who makes the telecomm product you all need to have to use the > serial drivers, all I can say is chill out. NeXT has never considered Serial > communications very important, but they are learning. They have the latest > MicroPhone and are trying to make sure everything is working. And getting > serial stuff working on all PC's is very tricky business. Hopefully, they will > give me the serial driver, I'll put it on the disk, and August 1 (real > tentative date), everybody can use their modems again. > > Meanwhile, let's all calm down and wait. Nobody likes to wait a month, but > it's not going to kill anyone. I can limp along with my flaky UUCP until the new driver comes out. But I have to admit the bad taste is there. It Just Doesn't Work. What's worse it crashes my machine and forces an fsck, hanging at an interactive remote kernel debugger prompt just to be sure I wait for the fsck. I could live with occasional line garbage (UUCP will fix that anyway); I wouldn't mind an occasional crash of UUCP (so my mail comes an hour later). OS crashes are just not acceptable. I know that, you know that, NeXT knows that. I don't doubt that general PC serial drivers are much harder than they ought to be, but that's no excuse. NeXT has had 18 months to get one that at least doesn't crash. They've known for 6 months that the serial drivers had real problems. After knowingly realeasing the problems they have no official comment on resolution to their customers. NEXTSTEP *is* the best software on the planet and I expect more from it. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spoormand@hns.com (Sy Poormand) Subject: NeXT Cube for sale Sender: news@hns.com (USENET news system) Message-ID: <1993Jul12.150624.7944@hns.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 15:06:24 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Hughes Network Systems Inc. NeXT 68030 Cube 660 Mb Macropolis SCSI-2 Hard Drive (has 4 years warranty left) 24 Mb RAM NeXTSTEP 2.1 installed on HD. NeXT CD rom drive + NeXTSTEP 3.0 on CD + educational sampler CD. External Archive 250MB tape drive + 3 250MB tapes + enTar backup software. Tones of commercial software including: Mathematica Improve Adobe-Illestrator Touch Type Microphone SoftPC Squash WordPerfect Create WriteNow and many others. Full NeXTSTEP 2.0 documents 10 volumes + 3 volumes of Mathematica. The first offer over 1300$ takes it. This has been a home machine, very lightly used. I live in the D.C. area, can ship anywhere in the US, buyer pays shipping. E-mail: spoormand@hns.com or leave message at 301-540-8821
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) Subject: ATI Graphics Ultra XLR Message-ID: <CA2ABt.CsM@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. Distribution: na Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 17:09:29 GMT I'm looking at PCs to run NEXTSTEP on, and the Gateway 66MHz machines look pretty nice as far as I can tell. I see that they have switched from using the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro to using the ATI Graphics Ultra XLR which is supposed to run faster than the old board. My question is- is this compatible with the ATI driver currently in NEXTSTEP? If not, is one in the works? Thanks for any info. Michael Stepniczka mikes@ceco.ceco.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blaine@catt.ncsu.edu (Grey Mull) Subject: HELP - should I buy NeXT now ???? Message-ID: <blaine-120793120739@catgw05.catt.ncsu.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: V.P. Conservative Society, NCSU Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 16:12:12 GMT I have followed NeXT since 1989, but settled on a mac instead because of money constraints. Since I work in the computer sales dept at my school store I can get an incredible deal on a NEW mono station in the 8/400 setup. I have ethernet where I live, but our campus is setup on AFS - is that a problem? I am a business major, but I like to hack - is there enough of a happy user base to justify this as my only system? I am also VERY concerned about how useful this system will be when I leave school and the internet. HELP ME PLEASE!! Grey Mull *********************************************** V.P. Conservative Society * If you voted for CHANGE... * North Carolina State U. * then you better start counting it! * blaine@catt.ncsu.edu ***********************************************
From: ravine@jnext.ucsd.edu (Michael Ravine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 12 Jul 1993 18:00:05 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <21s8r5INN4sq@network.ucsd.edu> I too have a problem getting the CDPlayer.app to run. I've tried the various suggestions that have been posted: I installed Demonstration.pkg at root, so the setuid bit is set (ie, -rwsr-xr-x 1 root 40960 Jul 24 1992 cdaudio.util) I tried the SCSI ID at different settings I enabled the Public Window Server option. Having tried all of those things, I still get the "Could't open CD-ROM Drive" alert box when I run CDPlayer.app. If I insert an audio CD in the drive, I get the following on the console: DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected sd2 (2,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd2 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x84 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) sd2 (2,0): ERROR op:0x43 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd2 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x24 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) cdutil: sendCommand error:Sense key: 5, code: 24 If this provides anybody with a hint as to the problem, I'd appreciate hearing about it. (BTW, I'm running NS 3.0 on a color station with an internal drive and an external drive I boot from, and I'm using an Apple CD 150 drive).
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1262@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Jul 93 20:01:57 GMT Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software stages huge 50% off sale for rest of July! We're still in a drought from NeXT's transition, so we're having another sale. Everything is at least 50% off for the rest of July! Call us now for fonts (we have over 1600 to choose from, and if you don't have anything besides Times and Helvetica, you don't know what you're missing)! Call us now for PasteUp 2.0, which recently won a Best of Breed award from NeXTWORLD magazine! SALE! Regular PasteUp: $397.50 $795 PasteUp Edu: $149 $298 Adobe Type: 50% off! $95 - $370 These products all include full source code! 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From: obsta@nvtcp1.esm.vt.edu (Andreas Obst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where are the NeXT FAQ's located? Date: 13 Jul 1993 01:39:30 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <21t3oi$rkk@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Where can I find FAQ's for the NeXT? -- Andreas Obst Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics Virginia Tech obsta@nvtcp1.esm.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Subject: Re: Shipping Costs Message-ID: <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <CA0upt.Csp@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 04:59:03 GMT Rob Tibshirani writes []In article <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: []>I find that some software venders are using excessively expensive []>shipping services and not providing customers a lower priced choice. []>In particular, I recently purchased the TextToSpeech Kit from []>Trillium Sound Research Inc. of Albertha, Canada. I made the []>purchase, in part, because of a temproary price reduction; an []>offer of their User Kit for $95.00 (US). I paid via VISA an []>later found a shipping charge of $20.00 (Canadian) had bee added []>to the base cost. I beleive this works out to a US shipping cost []>of $16.52. I later received a bill from Federal Express for []>$5.10, not sure what this was but it appears to be some sort []>of tax. Leaving the latter charge (tax?) out of the equation []>this means that the shipping charge was aprox 15% of the total []>cost. [] []This is not the fault of canadian companies. Rather it is the fault of the US []border police who are using every trick in the book to prevent imports from []selling there. Perhaps your government should look at its own hidden []protectionist ways before chiding Japan. [] <<Description of problems with borders and taxes deleted>> []All is not that rosy up here either, but if you want to see hidden trade []barriers you need only look no further than your own borders. [] while I would agree with Philip that things sent here from Canada can truly get the run-around, and cost $ in the bargain, based on *my experiences only* (i.e. others mileage no doubt varied) while living in Canada last year the problems going *into* Canada are almost infinitely worse. In addition to the tariffs and various border policies, there are also the various forms of Canadian sales taxes which are so onerous (15% in Ontario, I think ~19% now in PEI and New Brunswick) they try to apply it to everything possible. The best example I can cite is my NeXT Mathematica documentation, which sat at the border for a few days while they "inspected" it, and then was released only after I paid $17 Canadian on a product that cost only $25 US. FYI this was in the Fall of '91, when the exchange rate was running about 88 CA to $1 US. The degree of usuriousness is left as an exercise for the reader :) All my Canadian friends know how much I loved the country --- would seriously consider moving back, to tell the truth --- as in many ways it's a superior society, but protectionist trade policies are definitely an arena in which the US is more "enlightened" (if still eons behind the Australians). Hell, the Canadian have Inter-PROVINCIAL trade barriers, i.e. you can't buy, for example, Moosehead beer in Ontario as it's not brewed in the province. clearly getting off track...... is there an alt.gatt ?? :) []>The bottom line: Please provide alternative (slower and cheaper) []>means of shipping S.W. product. These are not typically easily []>damaged in shipment and frequently are not time critical. [] []I agree. It works both ways. When I first called up NeXT Connection years []ago the cost of shipping a cable was greater than the cost of the cable. [] []You want the costs to go down then you've got to reign in the rabid []nationalists on both sides of the border. [] []>Does any one else feel this way, or am I the lone complainer? [] []Nope you certainly are not alone. Someone is making a lot from this. It isn't []clear who it is though. It is, of course, ALL OF US since our governments are just the representatives of "we the people" (ooops, keyboard got wet from the dripping sarcasm :) -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bcongdon@lotatg.lotus.com (Bob Congdon) Subject: NEXTSTEP Ad spotted in Microsoft Systems Journal Message-ID: <CA24yw.H61@lotus.com> Sender: news@lotus.com Organization: Lotus Development Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 15:13:43 GMT It's likely that I'm one of few people who read this newsgroup who saw this: There's a large advertisement for the NEXTSTEP 3.1 Evaluation Kit on pages 76-77 of the August '93 issue of Microsoft Systems Journal. It's a little difficult to spot since it runs across the bottom half of two pages, below a few other ads. --bob congdon bcongdon@lotatg.lotus.com
From: balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Beginner's Question: Tools in WS Date: 13 Jul 1993 11:21:53 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <21u5sh$hg3@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> I would like gunzip to be the default tool for uncompressing .gz - files. Is the following scenario possible: I double-click on a .gz-File in the WS file viewer. The Inspector pops up with its tool section and tells me that the file is compressed and gives me the option to uncompress it using gunzip (just as it is with .Z or .tar files). Thanks for any help. Dirk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <CA3AB7.ADv@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <21klkf$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 06:06:43 GMT In article <21klkf$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: > In article Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com, kunal@passion.pilot.dmg.ml.com (Kunal Singh) writes: > > Has anyone successfully used this application ? > > > > Yes, but ONLY on a *GENUINE* NeXT CD-ROM drive. Others are probably not > audio-command equivalent, even if they have the same basic SONY mechanism. I've got a genuine NeXT CD-ROM, and CDPlayer doesn't work for me. If I simply insert an audio CD into the drive, it horks it back out, and the console log reads (after a bunch of error messages no doubt due to Workspace trying to open the CD as a data disk): Jul 13 00:56:13 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer Double-clicking CDPlayer produces a panel saying "Couldn't open CD-ROM drive, OK?". Inserting the CD at that point does no good. My setup: slab w/ 105MB internal at scsi 1, Fujitsu 660MB external at scsi 0, and the CD-ROM drive at scsi 4 (as sd2). I tend to believe the guy who said that the program is hardwired to expect the CD-ROM at sd1. Is this a FAQ yet? Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jds@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Subject: !!!! NeXT goes belly up !!!! Message-ID: <1993Jul13.121907.1386@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 12:19:07 GMT JUST KIDDING. But I wanted to get your attention. Does anyone have any experience using the ATI EISA card under NS/I. Since it didn't "just work" I tried other numerous settings and other worthless crap just trying to get the entire test program to display something but the card still blanks my Nano F550i at resolution higher than 640x480. I have removed all other cards from my system (Dell 450DE). I tried ATI support but there closed by the time I can get home to play with my system. I tried dell support and 1 guy said that another guy got it working by disbaling the memory aperture in the ATI config but enabling it in the EISA config, but that didn't work either. I also moved the memory aperture location around and tried various power configurations. PLEASE, PLEASE, if you know anyone or you personally have set up this card and had it work please tell what you did, even if you didn't do anything. And if you have this card working and can boot to DOS please run the install programs diagnostics and tell me if everything came up OK, screen doesn't die at 1024x768, because this means my card is most likely bad. I am eagerly awaiting your reponse espicially if you have the answer to my problem. If I can't get this working its back to OS/2 and another very dissatisified customer of NeXT's fabulous service and support. thanks John Stanhope PS. I know I've posted this before but so far nothing has worked and I get just a little tired of this crap especially since everything I have is listed under the compatibilty quide.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NetWare and Partner/Ushare not compatible? Date: 13 Jul 1993 12:58:22 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <21ubheINN2ke@clem.handheld.com> In both beta releases, and now the final release, which I just bought, Partner/UShare does NOT work with NetWare is active. Anyone else had similiar/different experences? Also, I'm STILL having NFS problems with Partner/UShare running, the NeXT stops "sharing" it's drives via NFS. I have the latest Partner/UShare which is susposed to correct that, too. IMHO, Partner/UShare is not ready for release. Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. NRA,ILA | it is a force, like fire a dangerous servant jmd@handheld.com | and a terrible master." -- George Washington
From: peter@piassun1.joanneum.ac.at (Peter Resele) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTtime ? Date: 13 Jul 1993 13:11:31 GMT Organization: Joanneum Research Sender: peter@piassun1.joanneum.ac.at Distribution: world Message-ID: <21uca3INN3pd@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> Does anybody know more about the video for Nextstep? I heard it was demonstrated at the Expo. What can it do? When will it be available? (I just heard it was very impressive. However I have no idea how close it is to a real product, and how much was just "a demo"). Thanks, Peter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Beginner's Question: Tools in WS Message-ID: <CA3y8H.19u@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <21u5sh$hg3@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 14:37:29 GMT Check out TickleServices. When/if you register, ask for the Gzip script. It won't handle the double-click scenario, but with the file selected in the File Viewer, cmd-Z isn't that difficult.. peter Dirk Balfanz (balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de) wrote: : I would like gunzip to be the default tool for uncompressing .gz - files. : Is the following scenario possible: I double-click on a .gz-File in the WS : file viewer. The Inspector pops up with its tool section and tells me -- I felt his rocket science training was inadequate. peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) Subject: Re: NeXTtime ? Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: <CA3yAH.K6x@apollo.hp.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 14:44:40 GMT References: <21uca3INN3pd@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA In article <21uca3INN3pd@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> peter@piassun1.joanneum.ac.at (Peter Resele) writes: >Does anybody know more about the video for Nextstep? I heard it was >demonstrated at the Expo. What can it do? When will it be available? >(I just heard it was very impressive. However I have no idea how close >it is to a real product, and how much was just "a demo"). > >Thanks, > >Peter > > (I assume this is ok to say this) I wasn't at the expo, but Steve demoed it here in chelmsford when he gave us his std dog and pony show a week ago. It was bit choppy and low res on the INTEL box, but it'll really run like a bat out of hell on PA-RISC. He said it'll be in beta or something like that late this year and in general release (early?) next year. This is the second time I've heard him speak, the first time was at digital world in beverly hills a year or two ago. He was kind of boring. But, in this small group, he's was kind of impressive himself. His std talk knocks UNIX, Motif, COSE, etc.; it was interesting to see how he down payed those issues for us:-) His slides were on photoCD, makes for a slick presentation. - I didn't get to ask him if he used a NeXT to produce them. How easy is it to produce a PhotoCD presentation on a NeXT. i.e. can I dump PS or TIFF images to a floppy and just send them off to Kodak?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: lilianp@iastate.edu (Lilian Pang) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <lilianp.742578911@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 15:55:11 GMT In <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes: >In article <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu writes: >>In article <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu>, chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >>>I received replies regarding the performance of ATI Ultra Pro >>>and S3-805. Some likes the ATI while some likes the S3-805. >>> >>>Another question: What about the performance difference of ATI Ultra >>>Pro and S3-928? >>> >>>I understand that S3-928 is not support in the current version of >>>NS/FIP, but I'll surely write a driver to support it. >>> >>>Any opinion? >>>-- >> >>The 928 will smoke the Ultra Pro. >> >Are you sure? At what resolution? >Everything I've read (after disecting performance results, but no actual >board in front of me), shows that at high resolutions, the Ultra Pro >outperforms most everything. At lower resolutions (to 800x600), some >boards can zip along up to 2x faster. >P.S. Note that the OEM board has a 64-bit RAMDAC, but Gateway and other > retailers substitute lower-end 32-bit RAMDAC's (I believe you can > upgrade at order time). How could I know if the ATI Ultra Pro from Gateway 2000 is using 64-bit RAMDAC or 32-bit RAMDAC? Is there any program to test this? BTW, what does RAMDAC stand for? >Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lilian Pang | Iowa State University lilianp@iastate.edu | Journalism and Mass Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: How to boot standalone from CD in NS/I Message-ID: <1993Jul13.152359.1303@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 15:23:59 GMT I have been trying to figure out how to boot standalone from the CD for days. The boot: prompt is not documented and the "option" field is not in the same format as the NeXT monitor. Any help appreciated. Please e-mail or call, I need this ASAP. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu (Richard Wagner) Subject: Has anyone received NS/FIP ACADEMIC package yet? Message-ID: <wagner.1442.742587557@main.mndly.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 18:19:17 GMT Has anyone on the net who ordered NS/FIP Academic package through their bookstore/N???corp received it yet??? Still waiting... Rick W. wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: padua@cimnext2.eas.asu.edu (Bobby Padua) Subject: NeXT Machines for Sale Message-ID: <1993Jul13.182214.27887@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Sender: news@ennews.eas.asu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Arizona State University Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 18:22:14 GMT I'm selling two NeXT machines for a friend. Send me your best offer. 1)NeXT Cube with 400 MB Drive 386 CPU $2000.00 OBO 2)NextStation 486 with 100 MB HD $1,500.00 OBO 3)NeXT Printer $800.00 OBO Please Call Mid-Valley Eng'g at Peter (602) 482-1251 or Bobby at (602)961-3401 Ext 4459 Bobby Padua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: padua@cimnext2.eas.asu.edu (Bobby Padua) Subject: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul13.182709.28178@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Keywords: 486 PCs Sender: news@ennews.eas.asu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Arizona State University Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 18:27:09 GMT We are selling brand new Intel GX Professional Machines at the Following prices and configurations: 1) GX Prof Hires 16 MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Price = $4,685.00 2) GX Prof Hires 16 MB RAM, 540 MB Hard Drive Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Price = $5,485.00 3) GX Prof Hires 32MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Price = $5,685.00 Buy now while prices are low..... Call Bob Padua at (602) 961-3401 Ext 4459 Pentrix/Tri-Star Computer 120 S Weber Chandler Arizona
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: t90yuan@mp.cs.niu.edu (yuan tzeng) Subject: Again, Is Mistumi CDROM drive working with NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jul13.184740.17027@mp.cs.niu.edu> Organization: Northern Illinois University Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 18:47:40 GMT I asked this question several days back and some of you folks sent me some helpful message. Thanks. Most of the replies said that "you just plug & play". Now I am going to order the new PC. I need to double-check if this $199 Mistumi (IDE controller?) will work with NS or not. Is there anybody who do use this drive tell me something. Thanks again for any info. -- [Tzeng Ruey Yuan] --yuan
From: jdchung@be.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey D. Chung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <135789@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 13 Jul 93 17:32:33 GMT References: <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> <lilianp.742578911@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: University of Pennsylvania Does NS/FIP support the Diamond Viper? (with the Weitek chipset?) If so - I would think that the Weitek would SMOKE the ATI... Jeff.
From: drkstar!rwilson@gun.com (Robert K. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Machines for Sale Date: 13 Jul 1993 14:06:24 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9307131904.AA00397@drkstar.aiko.gun.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Jul13.182214.27887@ennews.eas.asu.edu> you wrote: > I'm selling two NeXT machines for a friend. Send me your best offer. > > 1)NeXT Cube with 400 MB Drive 386 CPU $2000.00 OBO ^^^^^^^ Intel Inside? > 2)NextStation 486 with 100 MB HD $1,500.00 OBO ^^^ Intel Inside? > 3)NeXT Printer $800.00 OBO > > Please Call Mid-Valley Eng'g at Peter (602) 482-1251 or > Bobby at (602)961-3401 Ext 4459 > > Bobby Padua -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert K. Wilson, Esq. | Voice/Fax/Data 269-29D Grand Central Parkway | +1-718-279-0918 Floral Park, NY 11005 | NeXT Mail Accepted USA | Internet: rwilson@gun.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: volks@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.CA (Lorraine Van Wingerden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pen-based computing for the NeXT ??? Date: 13 Jul 1993 15:51:30 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9307131946.AA03528@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca> Hello, Is anyone doing pen-based computing using NeXTstep (either for Intel, or on black hardware)? Is it possible? I am interested in finding any information on any hardware or software that supports pen-based computing of any kind in the NeXTstep environment. Are there any development supports? I noticed that there is a tablet installer (InstallTablet.app) on our system in /NextAdmin. Has anyone connected a tablet to a NeXT system? Thank you for any comments or information. Lorraine Van Wingerden (please send e-mail to volks@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca) --- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lorraine Van Wingerden volks@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca | | University of Guelph tel. (519) 824-4120 Ext. 2713 | | Guelph, Ontario, Canada This space for rent .... | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
From: boardman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Boardman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: User.addresses Date: 13 Jul 93 19:26:08 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <boardman.742591568@news.acns.nwu.edu> Summary: Need a little help Keywords: address I am running NS3.0 and need a little information on /NextLibrary/Addresses/User.addresses. How does one input work/home/fax numbers and address information. Do I need to mess with netinfo? BTW, my NeXT came with NS2.1 and a free upgrade to 3.0. Unfortunately, I didn't get the 3.0 documentation...only the online sysadmin stuff...I could not find anything to help in there. Michael Boardman boardman@davinci.lfc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <1993Jul13.182709.28178@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 19:57:15 GMT Bobby Padua writes > We are selling brand new Intel GX Professional Machines at the Following > prices and configurations: > > 1) GX Prof Hires > 16 MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard and Mouse > Price = $4,685.00 > > 2) GX Prof Hires > 16 MB RAM, 540 MB Hard Drive > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard and Mouse > Price = $5,485.00 > 3) GX Prof Hires > 32MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard and Mouse > Price = $5,685.00 > > Buy now while prices are low..... Actually these prices are not very low. I spent $5555 for a Gateway 2000 66V and this is what I got: 32M RAM, 1.2G HD 3.5 Floppy, 2MB VRAM, ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus Adaptec SCSI card 17" NEC 5FG Keyboard/Mouse 14.4 Data/9600 Fax modem (Compuserve,fax package, and 2 other modem packages) Windows/Paradox/Quatro thrown in (probably won't use) For $135 less I have 800 more megabyte hard drive, modem, and some software. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
From: gmdst4+@pitt.edu (Gretchen M Dick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT mail what options do I have? Message-ID: <16468@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 13 Jul 93 21:37:50 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: gmdst4@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu I need to know if I can somehow receive NeXTmail on a non-nextmail Machine and download it onto my NeXT via a modem and then read it. I would like to do this so that I could receive NeXTmail with attachments. Any Ideas? Gretchen PS is this a FAQ? -- Gretchen "Think's Mark needs his own account" Dick md3z@andrew.cmu.edu or gmdst4@pitt.edu Standard Disclaimers Apply
Control: cancel <wagner.1442.742587557@main.mndly.umn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu (Richard Wagner) Subject: Has anyone received NS/FIP ACADEMIC package yet? Message-ID: <wagner.1447.742602713@main.mndly.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 22:31:53 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu (Richard Wagner) Subject: HELP with DPT controller and NS/FIP Message-ID: <wagner.1448.742603226@main.mndly.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 22:40:26 GMT HELP! Finally got NS/FIP today but I'm having quite a problem. Upon installation this is what I get... intr: dropped IRQ 7 (repeated three times) Reseting SCSI Bus... EATA controller at irq 11 Registering: sc0 I never get past registering the SCSI controller. The LEDS on the DPT controller (2012B) go into idle mode and it just sits. The light on the floppy drive stays on at this point also. System ALR PowerPro 486/33 16MB Toshiba 3401 DPT 2012 Controller Any help would be vastly appreciated! Rick W.
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tunes from the CDROM drive (CDPlayer.app FAQ) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 14 Jul 1993 00:20:57 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <21vjha$6ph@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jul11.124043.3142@holli.uucp> In the thread with the subject: No more Tunes from the CDROM drive (I don't get it - Help) uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!holli!me (Trey McClendon) writes: > gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > > devadas@ecf.toronto.edu (DEVADASON CHRISTOPHER PAUL) writes: > > > The CDPlayer.app now on startup gives a message Note the phrase "on startup" > > > window stating : "CDPlayer > > > Couldn't open the CD-ROM drive." > > > > > > I assumed this has something to do with the CDROM drive going > > > from sd1 to sd2. [...etc...] > > > > My understanding is that CDPlayer.app simply will not work unless > > your CD-ROM drive is the second-highest SCSI id on your machine. > > It must be the sd1 device, from all that I've ever seen about it. > > > [ some deletia] I wish you had not deleted the second paragraph here... > We have a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive on a SCSI chain like this: > SCSI ID DEVICE > 0 Quantum 105 > 2 Fujitsu 1.2G > 3 DEC 2.0G > 4 WangDAT 1300 > 5 Toshiba 3401 > > There have been no problems at all with this setup. CDPlayer.app > autolaunches like it is supposed to work. Now note the phrase "autolaunches". I realize Trey is just trying to be helpful here, but it seems I should clarify my remarks (and repeat the second paragraph) as I also got a number of email messages which hinted that I was confused in thinking that CDPlayer only works when the CD-ROM is device sd1. And, like Trey, they all skipped over my second paragraph (which I find a little annoying). There are two (common) ways to use CDPlayer.app to play music CD's: 1) Start up CDPlayer.app by double-clicking on it. The program asks you to insert the music CD in "external disk 1". If you can do that (if your CD-ROM is device sd1), then you're all set. If some other device is sd1, then it just gives you an error message and quits. 2) Turn on the "Public Window Server" option in the Unix section of Preferences.app (and then log out and log back in again for that change to take effect). With this option on, you can then stick a music CD in *without* starting CDPlayer.app, and NeXTSTEP will autolaunch the CDPlayer program. While this is nicer, it also means you have turned on that "Public Window Server" option, and that option is a serious security hole for any NeXT which is connected to a network. No network-connected NeXT should have this option on. For that matter, NeXT never should have implemented the option the way they did (ie, with zero security). The original poster mentioned that he got the error message when *starting up* CDPlayer.app. They were therefore using method #1. My first paragraph was meant for how that method works (or doesn't work, as the case may be). As far as I know, if you double-click on the application then it will *only* work if your CD-ROM drive is setup such that it's device sd1 (or, to be more precise, so that it can be reached at /dev/rsd1h). My phrasing in that paragraph did not make it clear that I was talking about a limitation that exists only with method #1, but my second paragraph seems to make the point about as clearly as I can think of: "The only option is to turn on the public window server option (which, by the way, I recommend that you *NOT* do, because it's a security risk), and then stick music CD's into the drive. In that case the application will work no matter what device the ------------------------------- CD-ROM drive is. However, if you start up the CDPlayer.app before putting in a music disc, then the application will look at device sd1 and only sd1 (which in your new configuration is a hard disk, and the program can not open that...)." Some of the confusion that has occurred in (the many) usenet threads on CDPlayer.app is because people are talking about different methods. Someone helpfully offers advice for how they are using method #X, and the other person can't get music CD's to work despite that help because they are using the other method. Now, let me say once again that I recommend that no one turn on the "Public Window Server" preference. That seems to leave you with method #1 -- and that limitation where the CD-ROM drive must be sd1. (aside: note that "sd1" does not necessarily mean the device at SCSI ID #1. If you don't know how SCSI ids map to device numbers, then read up about it or something). Well, this limitation sucks, so I futzed around a little last night and figured out how to run CDPlayer.app *without* turning on Public Window Server, and *without* restricting which device the CD-ROM drive must be. It turns out you can specify which device CDPlayer.app should to use when it starts up (in fact, that's all method #2 is really doing). You just have to give CDPlayer.app a text file which contains the name of the device that it should use. Note the text file needs to be *just* that device name (no characters after it, including linefeeds or carriage-returns). Also note that you have to have write access to that file (even though the program doesn't seem to write to the file). If you check the file /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device, you should see a file with the right format. Unfortunately that file is owned by root, and other userids don't have write access to it. So, what I did was copy that file to a file in my home directory with the command: cp -p /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device ~/SetUp/cdaudio.device This gives me a file that I have write access to (it'd probably be a good idea to check and see if this file lists the right unix device name to get to your CD-ROM drive, in my case it's /dev/rsd2h). I then created a simple shell script named Start_CD that has the following two lines in it (the second line is probably wrapped in this usenet article, sorry about that...): #!/bin/sh /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer -NXOpen ~gad/SetUp/cdaudio.device & and put that shell script in a directory that's in my PATH (in my case, it's in /usr/local/bin/Start_CD). Then all I have to do is type Start_CD as a unix command and CDPlayer.app will start up and ask me to insert a disk in "external disk 2". Once I do that, I'm merrily playing my music CD's. Note that this method should even allow you to pick which CD-ROM player to use for playing music CD's (assuming you have more than one connected to your NeXT), but I doubt many people will care about that. I realize this seems like a lot of silly little steps just to play music CD's, but for some people this will be the only way to get CDPlayer.app to work. It'd be pretty trivial to write a NeXTSTEP application to handle these minor details, but I feel too silly about writing an application which does little more than launch some other application. This isn't really a complete FAQ list for the questions that come up with CDPlayer.app, but maybe it'll help clear up some questions for some people interested in using this demo program. I'm a bit of a CD fanatic (with a collection of music CD's to match) myself, so I wanted to figure this out and then pass the info along in case other people were interested. The other most common problem is when CDPlayer.app has lost it's setuid root status, and thus runs as the user who is logged in (and thus can't open any devices anywhere). I covered that in another recent article in comp.sys.next.sysadmin though, so I'll skip it here. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <FOX.93Jul13173548@graphics.nyu.edu> Date: 13 Jul 93 22:35:48 GMT References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> <1993Jul1.021412.13606@sol.UVic.CA> <lilianp.742578911@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu> Sender: notes@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Notes Person) Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences In-Reply-To: lilianp@iastate.edu's message of Tue, 13 Jul 1993 15:55:11 GMT In article <lilianp.742578911@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu> lilianp@iastate.edu (Lilian Pang) writes: BTW, what does RAMDAC stand for? Just a guess -- Random Access Memory Digital to Analog Converter? -david
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Jul13.182709.28178@ennews.eas.asu.edu> <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 00:09:39 GMT In article <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) writes: > > Actually these prices are not very low. I spent $5555 for a > Gateway 2000 66V and this is what I got: > [...] > >For $135 less I have 800 more megabyte hard drive, modem, and some software. > Yeah, but the GX is EISA, not ISA, it's SCSI controller is SCSI-2, and it includes sound on-the-board. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted --
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Neural Network Palettes or Classes? Date: 14 Jul 1993 04:48:30 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <22036u$7q3@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I am thinking about incorporating neural network computing in my research. Does anyone know of any public domain or commercial neural network programming palettes or classes? Thanks, Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@xexos.com (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Shipping Costs Message-ID: <1993Jul13.093902.3916@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 09:39:02 GMT In article <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) writes: > while I would agree with Philip that things sent here from Canada can truly > get the run-around, and cost $ in the bargain, based on *my experiences > only* (i.e. others mileage no doubt varied) while living in Canada last > year the problems going *into* Canada are almost infinitely worse. In > addition to the tariffs and various border policies, there are also the > various forms of Canadian sales taxes which are so onerous (15% in Ontario, > I think ~19% now in PEI and New Brunswick) they try to apply it to > everything possible. It is similar going into Europe. In the UK, for instance, incoming software will get a 4.9% duty charged most of the time (it is supposed to apply to hardware only, but floppy disks are hardware :-/ ), and then 17.5% sales tax (VAT). However, you will find that it isn't really the borders that are at fault. US mail carriers encourage shippers to stick an insurance value on the top of the parcel. If you are paying $25 for something insured for $200, it is very hard to convince customs that you shouldn't pay tax on $200. US shippers need to be more aware of the international customer base. In the industry as a whole, non-North America accounts for 40 - 60% of revenue, when it is managed properly. The least that suppliers can do is be aware of shipping costs and times, and try to understand the effect of duties and taxes. Paul -- Paul Lynch tel +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London paul@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50377777106ff through July (RTF) * * * Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1262@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 10:32:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jul13.103215.16709@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Whatever happened to Jack Reynolds? Dave Griffiths
From: peter@tu-graz.ac.at (Peter Resele) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTtime ? Date: 14 Jul 1993 11:20:30 GMT Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria Message-ID: <220q5uINNgr9@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> References: <CA3yAH.K6x@apollo.hp.com> Daniel E. Ganek (ganek@apollo.hp.com) wrote: : ... His slides were on photoCD, makes for : a slick presentation. - I didn't get to ask him if he used a NeXT to : produce them. How easy is it to produce a PhotoCD presentation on a : NeXT. i.e. can I dump PS or TIFF images to a floppy and just send them : off to Kodak? I think it is not quite as easy as that. As far as I know, Kodak just can put real (say, old fashioned ;-) ) slides and photo negatives on CD. However, Kodak now offers two tools for processing the CD-ROM images on Apple (MESS-WIN?), which allow you to convert the proprietary format into almost anything (TIFF, PS, ...). I don't know the names of the products, but I remember having read a rather positive review. I think some other products are coming out now, too. (thinking about that, it seems you will always need a PC with Windows, just to run some of the software that is available out there. However, a PC where *both* systems (Win + NeXT) are installed, could be very interesting for many people. The "total cost of ownership" of NeXTstep now has been reduced from a somewhat ridiculous price to the price of a slightly larger HD and $299 for the software. Let's hope for it...) (of course full integration of windows programs into NeXTstep would be the ultimate selling point,... though I doubt it ever will happen) To do what you want, one would need tools for creating the Photo-CD format (which was not published for a long time, don't know the current situation) and writing the Photo-CD format to a CD (probably the newer CD writers should be able to do this?) I think that the Photo CD actually contains the image in 4 different resolutions. Peter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ian@its.com Subject: Compaq QVision in 486 portable Message-ID: <1993Jul13.222548.14261@its.com> Sender: ian@its.com (Ian Gibbs) Organization: Information Technology Solutions Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 22:25:48 GMT Greetings, Many thanks to all of you who have responded with help on the Compaq memory question I posed last week. The answer turned out to be "make the memory 'linear' rather than 'Compaq'" The question this week: I've also got the QVision card installed within this portable system. I should be able to use it to attach an external monitor to get 1024 X 768 8 bit greyscale, right? When I try this, (using the "Configure" program), I just get a bunch of static on the screen. It looks pretty - in a psychadelic sort of way, but isn't very functional. (There is no inteligable image whatsoever.) Has anybody properly installed the Compaq QVision card? Many thanks again, Ian -- Ian Gibbs ian@its.com Information Technology Solutions NeXT/NEXTSTEP Consulting
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dkk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.k.kallman) Subject: Dead Mouse - how to fix? Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 12:11:16 GMT Message-ID: <CA5Lv4.2t5@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Folks, We have a dead mouse on a (slightly older than one year old) Turbo Color Nextstation - it double clicks when pressed once. How does one get a new one/get this one repaired? Can Bell Atlantic help with this? Any other ideas? Thanks. Dave Kallman -- ---- Dave Kallman, AT&T, 480 Red Hill Rd., Middletown, NJ 07748 d_k_kallman@att.com, (908)615-2989, fax: (908)615-2507
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul14.132951.231@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 13:29:51 GMT Robert Davis writes > Yeah, but the GX is EISA, not ISA, it's SCSI controller is > SCSI-2, and it includes sound on-the-board. > > Then he should have said so. I still believe the Gateways are cheaper though. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: HELP - should I buy NeXT now ???? Message-ID: <CA44uB.2I8@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <blaine-120793120739@catgw05.catt.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 17:06:10 GMT In article <blaine-120793120739@catgw05.catt.ncsu.edu> blaine@catt.ncsu.edu (Grey Mull) writes: > I have followed NeXT since 1989, but settled on a mac instead because of >money constraints. Since I work in the computer sales dept at my school >store I can get an incredible deal on a NEW mono station in the 8/400 >setup. I have ethernet where I live, but our campus is setup on AFS - is >that a problem? I am a business major, but I like to hack - is there >enough of a happy user base to justify this as my only system? Appletalk is totally taken care of (over Ethernet) using IPT's Partner. It's not expensive and works great. This will give you access to all printers, AFP servers, etc...There's also a product from IPT called uShare which would turn the NeXT into a non-dedicated AFP complient server. As for getting a NeXT now, go for it...You'll never regret it. > I am also VERY concerned about how useful this system will be when I leave >school and the internet. No need to be concerned. >HELP ME PLEASE!! Just e-mail for more specific questions. I've been in all the worlds. The NeXT is by far the best. Hopefully, and this is just my opinion, they will one day be able to rid themselves of ther Unix base. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <1993Jul14.121535.1713@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. References: <CA3AB7.ADv@molly.uucp> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 12:15:35 GMT In article <CA3AB7.ADv@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: > In article <21klkf$r5n@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) > writes: > > In article Cw7@tigadmin.ml.com, kunal@passion.pilot.dmg.ml.com (Kunal > Singh) writes: > > > Has anyone successfully used this application ? > > > > > > > Yes, but ONLY on a *GENUINE* NeXT CD-ROM drive. Others are probably not > > audio-command equivalent, even if they have the same basic SONY mechanism. > > I've got a genuine NeXT CD-ROM, and CDPlayer doesn't work for me. > > If I simply insert an audio CD into the drive, it horks it back out, and the > console log reads (after a bunch of error messages no doubt due to Workspace > trying to open the CD as a data disk): > > Jul 13 00:56:13 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio > cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer > > Double-clicking CDPlayer produces a panel saying "Couldn't open CD-ROM drive, > OK?". Inserting the CD at that point does no good. > > My setup: slab w/ 105MB internal at scsi 1, Fujitsu 660MB external at scsi 0, > and the CD-ROM drive at scsi 4 (as sd2). I tend to believe the guy who said > that the program is hardwired to expect the CD-ROM at sd1. > Nope, mine works, and it is at sd2. According to /usr/adm/messages: Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: SCSI 53C90A Controller, Target 7, as sc0 at 0x2114000 Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: TOSHIBA MK538FB Rev 6030 as sd0 at sc0 target 1 lun 0 Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: Disk Label: Disk Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: Disk Capacity 1172MB, Device Block 512 bytes Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: SEAGATE ST1480 Rev 5830 as sd1 at sc0 target 2 lun 0 Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: Disk Label: MyDisk Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: Disk Capacity 406MB, Device Block 512 bytes Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: SONY CD-ROM CDU-541 Rev 2.6a as sd2 at sc0 target 3 lun 0 Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: sd2: UNIT ATTENTION Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: Waiting for drive to come ready Jul 13 13:58:17 lkba mach: ...................
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP with DPT controller and NS/FIP Date: 14 Jul 1993 16:46:40 GMT Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Message-ID: <221d9g$99q@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <wagner.1448.742603226@main.mndly.umn.edu> I am not sure about the ALR, but it looks like it is a DPT problem. The solution might be to use your EISA utility to set the DPT's IRQ level to 15-edge instead of 14-edge, and to make sure that you set a transfer rate of only 5MB/s rather than 10MB/s (even if your harddisks can do 10MB/s). If this doesn't work, check with someone who has successfully installed the DPT card on an ALR, copy *all* the EISA settings, and try again. Good luck. /ivo welch
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT mail what options do I have? Message-ID: <69291@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 14 Jul 93 16:56:38 GMT References: <16468@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <16468@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gmdst4+@pitt.edu (Gretchen M Dick) writes: > I need to know if I can somehow receive NeXTmail on a non-nextmail > Machine and download it onto my NeXT via a modem and then read it. the brute force way is: a. read mail on remote machine using mail, elm, mh, xmh or whatever you like (I prefer elm) b. save the NeXTmail message (it looks like scrambled characters packed in 80 char wide blocks) to a file, headers and all. the command to do this depends on the mail program - in elm its "s" for save. c. transfer the file to you next using a comm package (like tip or kermit) or a floppy or cut&paste or whatever - your choice. d. cat the-file-that-you-transferred >> /usr/spool/mail/your-login-name (be sure to change the hyphenated names above as appropriate and use >> not >) e. open Mail.app (.e.g open -a Mail) f. select the get new mail menu g. you can delete the copies outside the mail program. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: catapmsd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matt Stephen DeBergalis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Shirts Date: 14 Jul 1993 17:35:33 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <221g55$rgt@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Keywords: NeXT Does anybody know where I can get one of the funky NeXT white shirts? Later -- Matt DeBergalis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Subject: Re: NeXT mail what options do I have? Message-ID: <CA61Co.4q@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <16468@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 17:45:59 GMT Gretchen M Dick writes []I need to know if I can somehow receive NeXTmail on a non-nextmail []Machine and download it onto my NeXT via a modem and then read it. [] []I would like to do this so that I could receive NeXTmail with []attachments. [] []Any Ideas? Well, a couple of ideas: first, if you are running SLIP off of your NeXT (and if you have a good modem, i.e. 9600 or greater, I recommend SLIP 100%) then you can just "bounce" the message along to your NeXT while you are SLIPped up, or, better yet, have SLIPCommander by Gary Chang download your mail for you automatically. Alternatively, if you use some other connection protocol, save the message to a file, port it to your NeXT using tip, kermit, or whatever, and then just mail that file to yourself, either from the command line prompt> mail myself < name_of_file or else in Mail.app itself. [] []PS is this a FAQ? [] I'd say so. Hope this helps --- Tom PS: There are some more complicated ways to unencode NeXTmail, and maybe someone has even written a TickleService for it by now, but I find just mailing myself the message and reading it in Mail.app the easiest. -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) Subject: making gzip Message-ID: <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin) Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 17:59:19 GMT When I try to make gzip the compiler complains about missing header files. I have to have overlooked something obvious; what? -- Ed_Faught@ssc.gov WA9WDM wouldn't dare to speak for the Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315) Subject: ioctl failures Message-ID: <1993Jul14.182251.28924@news.arc.nasa.gov> Keywords: ioctl,pipe,texview Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 18:22:51 GMT Problem: unable to open connections with either gnuplot, texview, pft, etc. Here is a sample error message: ioctl: Operation not supported on socket open: can't open connection to Workspace on local host. Does anyone have any suggestions for this problem? Is this caused by file protections? Thanks. Please e-mail reponses directly. -- ============================================================== Alex Woo, MS 227-6 woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center NASAMAIL ACWOO Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 SPANET 24582::WOO (415) 604-6010 (FAX) 604-4357 {hplabs,decwrl,uunet}!ames!woo Disclaimer: These are not official statements of NASA or EMCC.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Hardware Vendors with Good Educational Discounts Message-ID: <1993Jul14.161759.5593@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 16:17:59 GMT I am interested to find a good 486 that is capable of running NS/FIP. In addition, the vendor must give good deals for education. Any help is appreciated. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: NeXTSTEP FIP hacker opinions, mach Message-ID: <1993Jul14.192942.5432@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 19:29:42 GMT O.k., I know NeXTSTEP is real pretty and friendly and all that, but what do the unix hackers out there think of it? What are its technical merits? Where can I get some info on the net about Mach? (Don't refer me to books I can't find in my cruddy school library...I'm broke :( ) Does is run reasonably fast on a reasonable machine for it? (I know with its overhead it'll never be a Linux in this category, but...) Does it use shared libraries? There was a real dearth of technical information about NeXTSTEP FIP on the next ftp server...if someone could point me towards or mail me some, I would be very grateful. Also, I was hoping that there is someone out there w/NSFIP installed on a dx66 system that has run some popular benchmarks on it, or perhaps could run one or two short ones I have. Also--is there a readily available (hopefully free) , decent assembler for NSFIP yet? Or do NeXTSTEP folks not do assembly? :) Thanks in advance. -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: address info on HSD, Inc. Message-ID: <39343@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 14 Jul 93 20:09:53 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Hello - After trying to locate an address and phone number for HSD - I was fortunate enough to locate it and thought I would pass it along. HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1095 E. Duane Ave., Ste. 209 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (408) 774-1400 phone (408) 774-1402 fax
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Relationship between SGML and RTF? Converters? Date: 14 Jul 1993 20:43:47 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <221r63INNou5@gap.caltech.edu> Hello, I've started playing around with Emacs 19, and I've noticed they are heavily into SGML (as much of the Unix world is). NeXT (and PCs, for that matter) seem to use RTF for a similar purpose. So I was wondering: a) What exactly is SGML? b) How similar in concept and usage is it to RTF? c) Are there any NeXT tools for manipulating SGML? d) Is there a converter between them? Is that even a meaningful question? e) Should I even worry about this? Forgive my ignorance. Thanks for your help, - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50377777106ff through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1268@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 14 Jul 93 21:18:02 GMT References: <1993Jul13.103215.16709@prim> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Dave Griffiths writes > Whatever happened to Jack Reynolds? > > Dave Griffiths Jack left RightBrain in February. He's at Mass Micro now, I believe. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <CA5qBx.vJ@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 13:47:57 GMT Not to mention that it has a 64bit CPU => memory bus. And is the only PC I would not hide in a very dark closet. It looks somewhat like a NeXT but in white (ie: it looks like a Sun). One has to take the machine apart to really appreciate it, it is an incredible design. Absolutely beautiful. It's not for everyone, it's a tiny bit more expensive, but for some people it's worth it. Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed technologies, inc. BTW: His prices weren't all that bad, we carry the same machines at similar prices. Also Pentium boxes with a PCI bus will be available in late Q4 '93. In article <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes: > In article <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) writes: > > > > Actually these prices are not very low. I spent $5555 for a > > Gateway 2000 66V and this is what I got: > > > [...] > > > >For $135 less I have 800 more megabyte hard drive, modem, and some software. > > > > Yeah, but the GX is EISA, not ISA, it's SCSI controller is > SCSI-2, and it includes sound on-the-board. > > > Rob > -- > | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu > | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted > --
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <1269@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 14 Jul 93 21:20:37 GMT References: <221g55$rgt@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Matt Stephen DeBergalis writes > Does anybody know where I can get one of the funky NeXT white shirts? If you mean the shirts with "NeXT" on them in Futura Condensed Extra Bold with the "N" and "T" in gray (leaving the "eX" standing out in black), the way cool "eX NeXT" T-shirts, the answer is that we designed them, and we sell them for only $15. Call us at the number below to get one in either L or XL. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: info@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <88421@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 14 Jul 93 21:32:00 GMT References: <CA3AB7.ADv@molly.uucp> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <CA3AB7.ADv@molly.uucp> , writes: >My setup: slab w/ 105MB internal at scsi 1, Fujitsu 660MB external at scsi 0, >and the CD-ROM drive at scsi 4 (as sd2). I tend to believe the guy who said >that the program is hardwired to expect the CD-ROM at sd1. > >Is this a FAQ yet? Apparently CDPlayer.app expects to see a CD-ROM drive at sd1 unless you have "Public Window Server" enabled in the Unix Preferences dialogue. Being a public window server compromises your security on a network but it does let CDPlayer.app find CD-ROM drives at positions other than sd1. It isn't in the FAQ yet but it is a FAQ. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: catapmsd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matt Stephen DeBergalis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Date: 15 Jul 1993 01:44:02 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1269@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Keywords: NeXT In article <1269@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > If you mean the shirts with "NeXT" on them in Futura Condensed Extra Bold > with the "N" and "T" in gray (leaving the "eX" standing out in black), > the way cool "eX NeXT" T-shirts, the answer is that we designed them, and > we sell them for only $15. Call us at the number below to get one > in either L or XL. > Well, I was actually referring to the white T-Shirt with the classic black NeXT logo on the front. I guess they're not quite as funky. -matt debergalis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50377777106ff through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1993Jul15.033925.15485@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <1268@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 03:39:25 GMT In article <1268@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > Dave Griffiths writes > > Whatever happened to Jack Reynolds? > > > > Dave Griffiths > > Jack left RightBrain in February. He's at Mass Micro now, I believe. Does anyone know if he has a working e-mail address?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 01:17:28 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS on IBM Thinkpad? Does anyone (everyone) know if NS will run on IBM's Thinkpad. Specifically the color one - I think it's the 700C or something like that. My dad is sold on the Thinkpad, and I might have him sold on NS - if it runs on it. Sorry for the basic question, but I just don't know that much about the IBM's. Thanks! -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: talus.com!serge (Serguei Bakhteiarov) Subject: Pen-based computing for the NeXT ??? Message-ID: <1993Jul14.230509.1172@talus.com> Keywords: LightPen Sender: serge@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 23:05:09 GMT Hi, The Talus Corp. already did the driver for a LightPen from Design Technology under NS/FIP. It just works...:-) -- Serguei Bakhteiarov Chief of software engineering Talus Corp. 10602 Chapel Hill Drive Houston TX 77099 ph: (713) 561 07 00 -- Serguei Bakhteiarov Chief of software engineering Talus Corp. 10602 Chapel Hill Drive
From: cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Date: 15 Jul 1993 07:13:52 GMT Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash. Distribution: na Message-ID: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what commands I should use? Thank you. Chisheng Huang cph@belgica.stat.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhall@madeline.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <CA7HMp.5sw@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 12:29:06 GMT In article <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapmsd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matt Stephen DeBergalis) writes: > Well, I was actually referring to the white T-Shirt with the classic black > NeXT logo on the front. I guess they're not quite as funky. > > -matt debergalis Hermann Marketing 1400 North Price Road St. Louis, MO 63132-2308 1-800-972-1331 fax (314) 432-1818 Classic NeXT logo on front NX112 S-XL $6.95 each 3.1 NEXTSTEP logo on front NX114 M-XXL $7.95 each My experience has been that the "classic" t-shirt is smaller than the labeled size, especially after washing. You should get their brochure, it has quite a bit of stuff with the NeXT logo on it. (3.1 materials include the brochure.) Jeff (Jeff Hallgren) jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Floppy Bug? NeXT 3.2 BUG or what? Message-ID: <124@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 15 Jul 93 13:00:29 GMT Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi here the short description of the bug. If you want to know the whole story read all. I have an EISA/VLB Board with Adaptec 1542B and 486/66Mhz SIS Chipsatz, Award Bios (:-(), ATI GUP VLB and 32 MB RAM When I want to boot, the following message is printed: Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeout exceeded: Retrying This happens twice then instead of Retrying Recalibrating occurs. This happens 4 or 5 times then it says failed I get some messages. At the end it says: RDP........(type 'c' to continue) but with c nothing happens. Any idea? I installed NSFIP on an ISA Board with AMI BIOS 16MB RAM and ADAptec 1542B and ATI GU ISA BUS. Everything went fine. I changed the board and card and now I had colours and a fast machine (look above). I could mount floppies and so on. Then I decided to install all, the developpers, too so I had to reinstall everything. I tried, but the message above stopped me. DOes anyone know the problem? Isn't it strange that it works when NSFIP is installed and it works with all other OS? Only the boot disk at boot time. But the disk is ok, with the other board I can boot and install. :-( --- /********************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 60 19 61 privat */ /* 07121 / 35-1341 geschaeftlich */ /* */ /* kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de */ /* */ /* Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. */ /* -- Salvor Hardin */ /* */ /********************************************************************/
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AIR Board???? Message-ID: <125@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 15 Jul 93 13:01:00 GMT Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi where can I buy the AIR EISA VLB Board? What RAMS does it need (SIMMS or 72 pin RAM)? How much is it? Can I get it in Germany? /********************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 60 19 61 privat */ /* 07121 / 35-1341 geschaeftlich */ /* */ /* kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de */ /* */ /* Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. */ /* -- Salvor Hardin */ /* */ /********************************************************************/ --- /********************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 60 19 61 privat */ /* 07121 / 35-1341 geschaeftlich */ /* */ /* kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de */ /* */ /* Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. */ /* -- Salvor Hardin */ /* */ /********************************************************************/
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I and portables... Message-ID: <136117@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 15 Jul 93 13:43:46 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Anyone had any luck with NeXTstep/Intel on portables using either PCMCIA or parallel-port based SCSI controllers or ethernet adaptors? I would love to run NeXTstep on a TI, NEC or Toshiba, but the prospect of getting a docking station just for the bus given the advances in PCMCIA is troublesome (and expensive!). -- Mr. Noam Arzt 215/898-3029 (voice) Director, Special Projects 215/898-9348 (FAX) University of Pennsylvania arzt@dccs.upenn.edu Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK) Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) Subject: Re: making gzip Message-ID: <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin) Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory References: <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:06:13 GMT In article <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) writes: Many of the people replying to the original post wanted to know more, so here's what happens: berserk:gzip-1.2.3 17> ./configure --prefix=/tmp checking for gcc checking how to run the C preprocessor checking for underline in external names checking for assembler checking for install checking for AIX checking for minix/config.h checking for POSIXized ISC checking for DYNIX/ptx libseq checking for ANSI C header files checking for string.h checking for stdlib.h checking for memory.h checking for fcntl.h checking for time.h checking for unistd.h checking for utime.h checking for sys/utime.h checking for directory library header checking for dirent.h checking for sys/ndir.h checking for sys/dir.h checking for ndir.h checking for closedir return value checking for Xenix checking for return type of signal handlers checking for size_t in sys/types.h checking if `#!' works in shell scripts creating config.status creating Makefile berserk:gzip-1.2.3 18> make gcc -c -DASMV -DNO_UTIME_H=1 -DVOID_CLOSEDIR=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=int -O gzip.c gzip.c:51: ctype.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:52: sys/types.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:53: signal.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:54: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:55: errno.h: No such file or directory gzip.h:22: stdio.h: No such file or directory gzip.h:24: string.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:68: time.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:72: fcntl.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:80: stdlib.h: No such file or directory gzip.c:149: sys/file.h: No such file or directory *** Exit 1 Stop. -- Ed_Faught@ssc.gov WA9WDM wouldn't dare to speak for the Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: iraf@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ira Frosch) Subject: Re: NS on IBM Thinkpad? Message-ID: <1993Jul15.135907.18113@rchland.ibm.com> Sender: icf@oliverwjones.rchland.ibm.com (Ira Frosch) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 13:59:07 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: |> Does anyone (everyone) know if NS will run on IBM's Thinkpad. Specifically |> the color one - I think it's the 700C or something like that. My dad is sold |> on the Thinkpad, and I might have him sold on NS - if it runs on it. |> Sorry for the basic question, but I just don't know that much about the IBM's. |> Thanks! |> |> |> -tom nawara |> nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu |> ideaLABS Actually, according to my latest Thinkpad price list, there are a few color ones. The brand new 720C won't work, because it's Microchannel. I don't think the 700C is and neither is the 350C (they're both ISA), BUT, I would highly doubt that you can right now (translate to "probably never for the 1992/1993 models :-(. I was even surprised when I saw that there was even ValuePoints on the original compatibility list. -- Ira Frosch
From: jtrimble@jpljpt .jpl.nasa.gov (Jay P. Trimble) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS on IBM Thinkpad? Date: 15 Jul 1993 14:40:22 GMT Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Message-ID: <223q8m$oo6@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> I have asked several people at NeXT about this, and they all say that NS will not run on the Thinkpad. I'm told the reason is that the Thinkpad docking station uses MCA, and that the docking station would be the only way to load NS onto the machine. There have been some new Thinkpads announced recently using ISA instead of MCA, so perhaps NS may run on these. In article <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: > Does anyone (everyone) know if NS will run on IBM's Thinkpad. Specifically > the color one - I think it's the 700C or something like that. My dad is sold > on the Thinkpad, and I might have him sold on NS - if it runs on it. > Sorry for the basic question, but I just don't know that much about the IBM's. > Thanks! > > > -tom nawara > nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu > ideaLABS
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:32:54 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93196.093254U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Distribution: na References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> In article <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu>, cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) says: > >I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off >while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what >commands I should use? Thank you. The command is /usr/etc/nppower Use "nppower on" to turn it on, "nppower off" to turn it off. So, if you've just printed something and now you want to turn off the printer, you type (in a terminal window) : /usr/etc/nppower off. Or just include an alias in your .cshrc file like: alias off /usr/etc/nppower off and then you only have to type "off". I'm sure other people have scripts that turn the printer off and on at/after certain times... -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:46:07 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93196.094607U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC A couple of months back my dream announcement was made: Canon and a few NeXT engineers weer going to form a small partnership in order to produce machines from NeXT's hardware specs. (i.e. the NRW) They said then that it would be June - July before things got rolling. I haven't heard a peep about it since. Has anyone heard any other news on this front, or does someone want to correct my information if it's wrong? Thanks. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bublitz@mdd.comm.mot.com (Martin Bublitz) Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <1993Jul15.152012.6302@mdd.comm.mot.com> Sender: news@mdd.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola, Wireless Data Group - Richmond, BC References: <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <CA7HMp.5sw@news2.cis.umn.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 15:20:12 GMT In <CA7HMp.5sw@news2.cis.umn.edu> jhall@madeline.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) writes: >In article <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapmsd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu >(Matt Stephen DeBergalis) writes: >> Well, I was actually referring to the white T-Shirt with the classic black >> NeXT logo on the front. I guess they're not quite as funky. >> >> -matt debergalis > Hermann Marketing > 1400 North Price Road > St. Louis, MO 63132-2308 > 1-800-972-1331 > fax (314) 432-1818 > Classic NeXT logo on front NX112 S-XL $6.95 each > 3.1 NEXTSTEP logo on front NX114 M-XXL $7.95 each > My experience has been that the "classic" t-shirt is smaller than the >labeled size, especially after washing. You should get their brochure, it has quite >a bit of stuff with the NeXT logo on it. (3.1 materials include the brochure.) > Jeff >(Jeff Hallgren) jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu Here is another place with various NeXT items for sale: NeXT Pencils $20.30 box of 100 NeXT Cross Pen $21.15 each NeXT Decals $75.00 box of 100 NeXT T-shirt $5.65 each - sizes S, M, L, XL (pre-shrunk) NeXT Turtle Neck $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Glass Mug $1.70 each NeXT Leather Folder $54.50 each NeXT Sweatshirt $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Tote-bag $ 6.25 each NeXT Mouse pad $ 9.67 each Orders can be taken 24 hours a day for domestic and overseas orders Phone: 800-972-1331, 314-432-1800 Fax: 314-432-1818 Method of payment: Purchase order, check, money order, or credit card Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Message-ID: <1993Jul15.141240.1022@marcon.ka.sub.org> Sender: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Organization: Marinos EDV - Consulting References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:12:40 GMT In article <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) writes: \\ I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off \\ while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what \\ commands I should use? Thank you. \\ \\ Chisheng Huang \\ cph@belgica.stat.washington.edu \\ The command is nppower located in /usr/etc nppower on turnes the printer on and nppower off turnes the printer off Greetings Stathis -- Marinos EDV - Consulting | NEXTSTEP Software and Consulting Services Evstathios Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 76133 Karlsruhe (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NS on IBM Thinkpad? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jul15.160812.37295@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 16:08:12 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: |> Does anyone (everyone) know if NS will run on IBM's Thinkpad. Specifically |> the color one - I think it's the 700C or something like that. My dad is sold |> on the Thinkpad, and I might have him sold on NS - if it runs on it. |> Sorry for the basic question, but I just don't know that much about the IBM's. |> Thanks! |> |> |> -tom nawara |> nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu |> ideaLABS The IBM Thinkpad 700C uses the 486 SLC processor. If I remember my hardware list correctly, the SLC processors are NOT on that list so indeed the 700C may not in fact work with NeXTSTEP. Then again, this doesn't mean it won't work either. After try various pieces of hardware, configurations, IRQs etc on my quest to get NS/FIP on a machine for myself, I found the best thing to do was just try it. Most dealers are open to letting folks test drive systems. Lets you as a user show them a thing or two as well if the installation works. Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: re shipping costs Message-ID: <CA7tC8.45H@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 16:48:07 GMT Last week I posted a complaint about the high cost of shipping for a software product I had purchased. The cost of shipping represented approximately 15% of the purchase cost and I had been in no great hurry to receive it. In response to my post, I received the following from the company that shipped the software in question. Not only is it wonderful customer relations but sheds some light on the Canadian/US border problem. I thought others might be interested: >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 22:15:32 -0600 >From: manzara@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Leonard Manzara)>To: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu >Subject: Re: Shipping Costs > >Mr. Pugh, > >I saw your posting in c.s.n.misc regarding shipping costs. After >reviewing our records, I noticed that you did not receive our >hard-copy brochure which outlines our shipping policy, so you must >have purchased the Kit based on information only in the internet news >announcement. Unfortunately, this announcement makes no mention of >shipping costs, so we apologize for any misunderstanding that has >arisen. > >We use Federal Express because most of our customers want quick and >reliable delivery. They also act as customs brokers for international >shipments, and fully insure against loss or damage. They are also >much more reliable than any other couriers we have used, including the >Canadian and US Postal services, but consequently are somewhat more >expensive. We use their FedEx Letter service to ship our software. >This costs us $24.50 to ship to US destinations, so we are not passing >the full costs on to our customers. Their Priority Service costs >$38.00 CDN for the same package. They do not offer 2nd day economy >for international shipments originating from Canada. > >We are a small company, so we have designed our shipping system to be >simple, and to give what the majority of customers seem to want: fast >and reliable delivery. Since you are dissatisfied with this policy, >we will refund you the shipping costs of $20.00 CDN. This will be >done through your Visa account, and should show up as a credit on your >next monthly statement. Please let us know if this is not processed >correctly. > >By the way, I assume the $5.10 charged to you is for some sort of >State or Federal tax that you are liable for when importing goods. >Documentation for this should have accompanied the package (although >customs forms sometimes arrive later, by mail). Duty or tariff should >NOT have been charged, since software is duty-exempt under the >Canada-US Free Trade Agreement. > >Again, we apologize for this misunderstanding. And, as always, feel >free to contact us if you have any questions or concerns. > >Regards, > >Leonard Manzara manzara@cpsc.UCalgary.CA >Trillium Sound Research Inc. (403)284-9278 Fax:(403)282-6778 -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Message-ID: <CA7nFM.24K@ensuing.com> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:40:34 GMT In article <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) writes: > I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off > while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what > commands I should use? Thank you. > > Chisheng Huang > cph@belgica.stat.washington.edu > /usr/etc/nppower on /usr/etc/nppower off -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
From: imj1@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3COM Etherlink III problems Message-ID: <1993Jul15.153406.3434@news.columbia.edu> Date: 15 Jul 93 15:34:06 GMT Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Hi! I recently installed a 3COM 3C509TP ethernet adapter on my machine. It is setup at IRQ 15 and IO port 360. I know it works, since I have been able to use it under DOS. However, when I run NEXTSTEP/FIP, I cannot reach anything else than my own computer. When I try telneting somewhere, I get a "network is unreachable" message. I cannot ping anything else than my computer either. Another problem I have that might be related to this one happens when I try telneting to my self. It just write "trying *my adress*" and just sits there. Has anyone succeded in getting this network card to work? If yes, what IRQ and IO base address are you using? Thanks a lot! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini * *******************************************************************************
From: imj1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3COM 3C509 problems... Message-ID: <1993Jul15.154402.4072@news.columbia.edu> Date: 15 Jul 93 15:44:02 GMT Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Hi! I recently installed a 3COM 3C509TP ethernet adapter on my machine. It is setup at IRQ 15 and IO port 360. I know it works, since I have been able to use it under DOS. However, when I run NEXTSTEP/FIP, I cannot reach anything else than my own computer. When I try telneting somewhere, I get a "network is unreachable" message. I cannot ping anything else than my computer either. Another problem I have that might be related to this one happens when I try telneting to my self. It just write "trying *my adress*" and just sits there. Has anyone succeded in getting this network card to work? If yes, what IRQ and IO base address are you using? Thanks a lot! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini * *******************************************************************************
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Date: 15 Jul 1993 18:00:03 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it necessary to use hard disk space? CD-ROMS hold hundreds of MB of data. Can't think of a better use for cd-rom than to hold those docs. Thanks Robert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: MacDraw 2 eps,tiff,whatever? Message-ID: <CA7t8p.7pD@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 16:46:00 GMT I have some MacDraw files (DRWGD2 in the header) that I need to convert into something for editing on either a NeXT or PC. Anything out there (note these are not PICT files)?? thanks in advance, Eric -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Jul15.180818.3268@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 93 18:08:18 GMT L. Anathea Brooks writes > Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs > in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it > necessary to use hard disk space? CD-ROMS hold > hundreds of MB of data. Can't think of a better use > for cd-rom than to hold those docs. The docs are also available unpackaged in /NEXTSTEP_Dev_3.1/NextLibrary. The pkgs are provided because installing onto a HD using them is much faster than copying the uncompressed files from the CD-ROM. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:18:44 EDT From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93196.111844HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hardware Problem - Failed Test... Now that there is no c.s.n.hardware, I guess this is the place to post this... I have a NextDimension Cube with two hard drives and an optical drive, internally, CD-ROM and floppy and Modem, externally. When I've been using the cube for quite a while I sometimes get a system panic, after which the NeXT won't restart - when I try to restart it says "failed system test" and hangs totally. This has only happened in the last few weeks, when the weather has been hot. One of the hard drives is a fujitsu, and they run quite hot. So I suspect that the problem is overheating. After awhile the cube boots normally. It all sort of fits. Has anybody else had similar problems, or am I missing something here? Any insights would be appreciated.... Rob Harrap Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont. Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Jul15.184806.3925@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 18:48:06 GMT L. Anathea Brooks writes > > Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs > in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it > necessary to use hard disk space? CD-ROMS hold > hundreds of MB of data. Can't think of a better use > for cd-rom than to hold those docs. > > Thanks > > Robert > Can anyone explain to me why people are so Gung Ho about flaming NeXT for no reason at all? If you had bothered to look on the CD, you would have seen /NextLibrary/Documentation on both the USER and DEVELOPER CDs. Both are populated with the contents of the .pkg files (which are alot easier to install onto a hard drive). Its bad enough that we've got people complaining about 2.0 software not running on 3.1..... -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jds@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Subject: ATI & Adaptec in DELL ? Message-ID: <1993Jul15.195157.15825@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab Date: Thu, 15 Jul 93 19:51:57 GMT I heard that the ATI EISA card and the Adpatec scsi card are incompatible with each other in a DELL machine. You will get this type of errors AHA interupt: bad status ff sd0 INVALID STATUS (Internal error): FATAL ERROR The hard disk is still usable though, for a little while that is then it will get tons of write errors and eventually panic the system. Someone who has a 450ME informed me of this. I have a 450DE. Can anyone confirm or deny this? What can I do to remedy the situation short of returning my card and getting another one? Will ISA buslogic card work in place of the Adaptec? If it doesn't, what's the lowest price for a DPT 2012/90 EISA controller? Thanks John Stanhope
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Subject: Re: Hardware Problem - Failed Test... Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jul15.201230.23117@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 20:12:30 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <93196.111844HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <93196.111844HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: |> Now that there is no c.s.n.hardware, I guess this is the place to post |> this... There is a comp.sys.next.hardware bb. Just posted to it. :) Tony Maas tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Seeking information on OMG and CORBA Message-ID: <39434@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 15 Jul 93 20:38:15 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Hello - This is probably not the best place to seek this info but I thought I would give a try since NeXT had become a member of the organization - does anyone out there have an address for the Object Management Group OMG ? I am scouting out whatever info I can on CORBA and any other variants of the OMGs' efforts. Thanks in advance. Bob K. e-mail bob@monet.dt.navy.mil NeXTMail rk@priscilla.dt.navy.mil Bob Kurhajetz U S Navy CD NSWC Code 341 Bethesda, MD 20084
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jamast00@bigdaddy.mik.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia) Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Message-ID: <jamast00.742765121@mik.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> <93196.093254U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 19:38:41 GMT In <93196.093254U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >In article <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu>, cph@biostat.washington.edu >(Chisheng Huang) says: >> >>I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off >>while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what >>commands I should use? Thank you. >The command is /usr/etc/nppower >Use "nppower on" to turn it on, "nppower off" to turn it off. >So, if you've just printed something and now you want to turn off the printer, >you type (in a terminal window) : /usr/etc/nppower off. >Or just include an alias in your .cshrc file like: > alias off /usr/etc/nppower off >and then you only have to type "off". >I'm sure other people have scripts that turn the printer off and on at/after >certain times... >-tom nawara > nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu > ideaLABS Another alternative is to place the command in your crontab.local file so the printer turns off automatically every 30 minutes. It takes a little longer to start up when a print job starts, but your printer will remain off until it is needed. Once a job starts the printer, additional print jobs are not delayed until the nppower signal is sent again in 30 minutes. -- John A. Mastrolia (Politically, Fashionably, and Aerodynamically Incorrect) jamast00@mik.uky.edu University of Kentucky
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul15.214118.7950@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <CA5qBx.vJ@ripple.uunet> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 93 21:41:18 GMT In article <CA5qBx.vJ@ripple.uunet> df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: > >Not to mention that it has a 64bit CPU => memory bus. >And is the only PC I would not hide in a very dark closet. >It looks somewhat like a NeXT but in white (ie: it looks like a Sun). > >One has to take the machine apart to really appreciate it, it is an incredible >design. Absolutely beautiful. > >It's not for everyone, it's a tiny bit more expensive, but for some people it's >worth it. > >Dirk Fromhein >df@watershed.com >Watershed technologies, inc. > >BTW: His prices weren't all that bad, we carry the same machines at similar >prices. Also Pentium boxes with a PCI bus will be available in late Q4 '93. > I thought the price differential between the identical machines with 16Mb and 32Mb, resp, was too big. It seems to be a standard in the industry to inflate prices of components over and above the normal config. Gateway & I'm sure all the other mail order firms do this also. When I last price checked the system that I would have liked from Gateway, I figured it would have cost the same to order the base system and buy the upgrade components here, but I would also retain the original replaced components. You can find 60ns 4Mbx9 simms in Canada for under $200 Can. which means in the U.S., it should probably run < $600. Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 17:59:56 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93196.175956U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? References: <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1993Jul15.184806.3925@digifix.com> In article <1993Jul15.184806.3925@digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) says: > >L. Anathea Brooks writes >> >> Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs >> in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it >> [munch] > Can anyone explain to me why people are so Gung Ho about >flaming NeXT for no reason at all? If you had bothered to look on >the CD, you would have seen > >[munch] > >- Scott Anguish - >sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) >next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) > whoa, scott - take a valium... -tom nawara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compaq QVision in 486 portable Message-ID: <1993Jul15.174049.2289@yvax.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) Date: 15 Jul 93 17:40:48 -0700 References: <1993Jul13.222548.14261@its.com> In article <1993Jul13.222548.14261@its.com> writes: > The question this week: I've also got the QVision card installed within > this portable system. I should be able to use it to attach an external > monitor to get 1024 X 768 8 bit greyscale, right? When I try this, > (using the "Configure" program), I just get a bunch of static on the > screen. Itlooks pretty - in a psychadelic sort of way, but isn't very > functional. (There is no inteligable image whatsoever.) > > Has anybody properly installed the Compaq QVision card? I have, without a hitch. Maybe you monitor won't handle 1024 x 768 at the frame rate the driver specifies. -- John Peterson -- Networked Computer Support -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: NeXTtime ? Message-ID: <CA89Cp.9F9@agedwards.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 22:34:01 GMT References: <CA3yAH.K6x@apollo.hp.com> <220q5uINNgr9@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. peter@tu-graz.ac.at (Peter Resele) writes: >Daniel E. Ganek (ganek@apollo.hp.com) wrote: >: ... His slides were on photoCD, makes for >: a slick presentation. - I didn't get to ask him if he used a NeXT to >: produce them. How easy is it to produce a PhotoCD presentation on a >: NeXT. i.e. can I dump PS or TIFF images to a floppy and just send them >: off to Kodak? >I think it is not quite as easy as that. As far as I know, Kodak just >can put real (say, old fashioned ;-) ) slides and photo negatives on CD. >However, Kodak now offers two tools for processing the CD-ROM images on >Apple (MESS-WIN?), which allow you to convert the proprietary format into >almost anything (TIFF, PS, ...). I don't know the names of the products, >but I remember having read a rather positive review. I think some other >products are coming out now, too. Included with NS3.1 (both Intel & 68k) under /NextDeveloper/Demos is an app called "PhotoCD.app". This allows the user to view images on a Kodak format PhotoCD. If your CD player supports multiple sessions, then you will have access to any slides placed on the CD AFTER the initial cut of the CD. I think I remember somebody saying that PhotoCD.app was created using a Kit which will be available sometime. Not sure if it was 3.2, 4.0, or ???. Just doing my little bit to dispel and create rumors :-) -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need ppp 0.3 for Intel Message-ID: <1993Jul15.175647.2290@yvax.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) Date: 15 Jul 93 17:56:46 -0700 Has anybody compiled ppp 0.3 for Intel machines? Does it work? Will you send me a copy? (or tell me where to FTP it?) Thanks loads in advance! -- John Peterson -- Networked Computer Support -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory_Mutzel@afs.com Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <1993Jul15.185601.536@afs.com> Sender: mutz@afs.com References: <CA7HMp.5sw@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 18:56:01 GMT Speaking of T-Shirts: Did anyone ever get any info on the Grateful Dead - Steal Your Face - NeXT shirt that Sam Streeper was wearing at the expo? I did not attend (got married instead) but caught it on video tape. Later, Greg -- Gregory L. Mutzel, 215-653-0911 Anderson Financial Systems, Inc. email: Gregory_Mutzel@afs.com [NeXTmail Appreciated]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: PhotoCD's & NeXT (was Re: NeXTtime ?) Message-ID: <1993Jul16.003730.22327@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <220q5uINNgr9@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 00:37:30 GMT In article <220q5uINNgr9@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> peter@tu-graz.ac.at (Peter Resele) writes: > Daniel E. Ganek (ganek@apollo.hp.com) wrote: > : ... His slides were on photoCD, makes for > : a slick presentation. - I didn't get to ask him if he used a NeXT to > : produce them. How easy is it to produce a PhotoCD presentation on a > : NeXT. i.e. can I dump PS or TIFF images to a floppy and just send them > : off to Kodak? > > I think it is not quite as easy as that. As far as I know, Kodak just > can put real (say, old fashioned ;-) ) slides and photo negatives on CD. > However, Kodak now offers two tools for processing the CD-ROM images on > Apple (MESS-WIN?), which allow you to convert the proprietary format into > almost anything (TIFF, PS, ...). I don't know the names of the products, > but I remember having read a rather positive review. I think some other > products are coming out now, too. I believe the Kodak products are ShoeBox (a little photo database) and Rennaisance (sp?), which is a photo retouching package. The cooler thing is the system extension that shows you 5 directories with the images divided up according to resolution, and thumbnails of each image viewable in the Finder. PhotoAlbum.app on the NeXT (bundled in 3.1) does all the conversion a NeXTer needs. Other than the PhotoShop plugin on the Mac (which lets you read the data in LAB) it's the best PhotoCD converter I've seen, especially since it provides a filter service which lets you import transparently into other apps. > > To do what you want, one would need tools for creating the Photo-CD format > (which was not published for a long time, don't know the current situation) > and writing the Photo-CD format to a CD (probably the newer CD writers > should be able to do this?) Well, sort of. The spec still isn't published, though tests I've done show that Hadmut's converter software does (at least for the images I looked at) exactly the same job as any of the Kodak blessed converters. Kodak has been selling a PhotoCD workstation for a year or so, which is basically a SparcStation, scanner, PhotoCD writer, and some other bits of stuff. You still (to my knowledge) can't get in the middle of the process of scanning the film to writing the PhotoCD. Kodak was supposed to be making it possible to write out your own digital data this summer, but I've been off doing other things, and haven't kept up on this. Keep in mind that this is at the high end of the market, i.e. it's possible you might be able to get access to this sort of stuff at a service bureau, but you won't be doing it at home anytime soon... > > I think that the Photo CD actually contains the image in 4 different resolutions. > The images on a PhotoCD are stored in 5 resolutions: 128x192, 256x384, 512x768, 1024x1536, and 2048x3076. Hope that clears some things up. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
From: dahl@esca.esca.com (Austin Dahl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Message-ID: <DAHL.93Jul15175048@esca.esca.com> Date: 16 Jul 93 01:50:48 GMT References: <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Sender: dahl@esca.com (Austin Dahl) Organization: ESCA Corporation, Bellevue WA In-Reply-To: gaia@wam.umd.edu's message of 15 Jul 1993 18:00:03 GMT In article <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it necessary to use hard disk space? CD-ROMS hold hundreds of MB of data. Can't think of a better use for cd-rom than to hold those docs. Thanks Robert In 3.0 you could take a look in /NEXTSTEP_3.0/NextLibrary/Documentation. I'll bet you'll find what you're looking for even in a 3.1 system. Austin Dahl
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS3.1 Login Panel images on orst Date: 16 Jul 1993 03:36:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2257o0$562@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I just placed a bunch of NeXTSTEP 3.1 format login panels on cs.orst.edu in the submissions directory. They'll soon migrate to someplace more appropriate, of course. But anyway, the file is called "BloomLogins.3.1.tar.Z". Here's the README... ======================================================================= These login images are designed for use with NeXTSTEP 3.1. DO NOT USE THESE IMAGES WITH EARLIER VERSIONS OF NeXTSTEP!!! NeXT changed the login panel with Release 3.1. Hence, all the neat-o custom login images that are out there are going to have to be converted to work with the new OS. These are my contributions. I converted the monochrome Bloom County logins. First, I colorized them for use with my 3.0 color slab. When I upgraded to 3.1, I modified them to work with the new version. I also added a new character to the set -- Bill the Cat! These tiffs contain both 2 bit grayscale and 12 bit color versions, so they should make any system happy. I haven't tested this yet, though, so be warned. Here's what you do to install the login panel of your choice... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Login as root (su should work) 2) Change to the /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app directory (from the Workspace, you'll need to select loginwindow.app, then select "Open as Folder" from the "File" menu) 3) Make a backup copy of LoginPanel.tiff (I just make a copy of it in the loginwindow.app directory called LoginPanel.master.tiff) 4) Make a link (or a copy) of the image you want to use as your login to this directory and rename it to LoginPanel.tiff 5) Logout 6) When prompted to login, login as "exit". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- When the login window reappears, you should see the new login panel. ____. .____ ___ . .. |___ |\_ | | / \\___/| |____| \|\_| \___/ | o Joe Reiss ======================================================================= -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't document. Documentation is for `---- | simps who can't read the listings or the object code.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Why so eager to flame NeXT? was Re: why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM... Message-ID: <1993Jul16.035539.956@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <93196.175956U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 03:55:39 GMT <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes > I said ... > > Can anyone explain to me why people are so Gung Ho about > >flaming NeXT for no reason at all? If you had bothered to look on > >the CD, you would have seen > > > >[munch] > > > >- Scott Anguish - > >sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) > >next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) > > > > whoa, scott - take a valium... > Tom.. Yeah, that was somewhat harsh... but it is a FACT that there are way too many people who are flaming NeXT for things that are not NeXT's fault (or don't even exist), and this was one of them. It only took me two seconds to stick in the CD and VERIFY that the files were there (it even says so in the docs). This was an obvious case of someone not looking at the CD period. There are some valid concerns about NEXTSTEP at this point, the biggest being the serial driver problem on NS/Intel... but the processes non-problem (which has been addressed by Next as a NextAnswer) and flames about Frame 2.0 (several revisions old, the current is 3.0.1) not working on NEXTSTEP 3.1 are just for the sake of flaming. BTW, my "anxiety relief" drug of choice is Ativan! :-) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <1993Jul15.185324.19949@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <221g55$rgt@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 18:53:24 GMT In article <221g55$rgt@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapmsd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matt Stephen DeBergalis) writes: >Does anybody know where I can get one of the funky NeXT white shirts? > >Later -- Matt DeBergalis Matt, Call 1-800-972-1331. The T-shirt you're referring to is item # NX112, and the price is $ 6.95. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 93 19:44:50 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes: > In article <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) writes: > > > > Actually these prices are not very low. I spent $5555 for a > > Gateway 2000 66V and this is what I got: > > > [...] > > > >For $135 less I have 800 more megabyte hard drive, modem, and some software. > > > > Yeah, but the GX is EISA, not ISA, it's SCSI controller is > SCSI-2, and it includes sound on-the-board. ...and for <$5000 you get a >60 SPECint92 MIPS R4000 SGI Indy with digital video camera, a 267MB/sec I/O bus instead of a 33MB/sec one, SCSI-2, ethernet and ISDN on board, and the fastest f***ing framebuffer technology in the industry :-)* God, how I wish they would port NeXTSTEP to SGI. *But you have to buy the hard disk yourself -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Jul16.035556.961@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <93196.175956U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 03:55:56 GMT In article <93196.175956U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: > In article <1993Jul15.184806.3925@digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott > Anguish) says: > > > >L. Anathea Brooks writes > >> > >> Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs > >> in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it > >> [munch] > > > Can anyone explain to me why people are so Gung Ho about > >flaming NeXT for no reason at all? If you had bothered to look on > >the CD, you would have seen > > > >[munch] > > > >- Scott Anguish - > >sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) > >next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) > > > > whoa, scott - take a valium... Well, he does have a point (wether he needs a valium, I leave to his physician). People jump on NeXT like wolves on the last steak on Earth (sorry for the metaphor, english is not my first language 8^>). Just answered someone who felt NeXT had taken away 10% of his HD away from him. NeXT is neither perfect nor totally faillible. They might, sometimes, _know_ what they're doing! (_NOT_ talking marketing, here! 8^>>>). And picking on "small" stuff is not very productive, with big stuff needing fixes. 8^) Ciao > -tom nawara > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Jul16.035737.1019@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <93196.175956U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 03:57:37 GMT In article <93196.175956U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: > In article <1993Jul15.184806.3925@digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott > Anguish) says: > > > >L. Anathea Brooks writes > >> > >> Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs > >> in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it Besides, to follow my own post, it might just be to let portables squeeze as much as possible on the HD by not installing the Docs. Just an additionnal thought. Ciao again. -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: Co-op Advertising with ANDI and ANDI Email InfoServer Message-ID: <CA82Ex.2pI@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,App Wrapper,InfoServer,Advertising Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 20:04:07 GMT ANDI is pleased to announce our expanded efforts to help market NeXTSTEP products and services. ANDI has already announced expanded tradeshow coverage which began with PC Expo in New York City earlier this month. We are now begining to offer co-op advertising opportunities. In addition, the ANDI Email InfoServer is a great way to send out the latest demo of your software or company information. This should be of particular interest if you are in a European country and have to pay kilocharacter charges to send email. Since our InfoServer runs automatically 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, access to your latest demo, product or service is instantaneous. To try out our InfoServer: Send mail to info@andi.org In the subject field place the word:help To find out more about the Co-op advertising and InfoServer programs do the following: Send mail to info@andi.org In the subject field place the words: index ANDI P.S. Our InfoServer is going through Beta testing over the next several weeks and any comments are welcome. -- Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI reply to:marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Re: ioctl failures Message-ID: <1993Jul16.090401.27853@enea.se> Keywords: ioctl,pipe,texview Sender: usenet@enea.se Organization: ENEA DATA AB, Stockholm, Sweden References: <1993Jul14.182251.28924@news.arc.nasa.gov> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 09:04:01 GMT In article <1993Jul14.182251.28924@news.arc.nasa.gov> woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov writes: >Problem: unable to open connections with either gnuplot, texview, >pft, etc. Here is a sample error message: > >ioctl: Operation not supported on socket >open: can't open connection to Workspace on local host. > >Does anyone have any suggestions for this problem? Is this >caused by file protections? This probably comes from a) the person that installed gcc on your system did not run fixincludes, or b) the fixed includes are not included as they should. (I ran into this when compiling xpilot B^) -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mihe@enea.se /// Box 232 /// S-183 23 Taby TEL : +46 8 792-2500 \\\/// SWEDEN TFX : +46 8 768-4388 \XX/
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: making gzip Date: 16 Jul 1993 06:58:37 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <22655r$o08@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) writes: >In article <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed >Faught) writes: >gcc -c -DASMV -DNO_UTIME_H=1 -DVOID_CLOSEDIR=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=int -O gzip.c >gzip.c:51: ctype.h: No such file or directory I don't know where you got your 'gcc', but it isn't looking in the right places for the include files. One easy fix is to go into the Makefile that configure created and change the 'gcc' to 'cc'. That will work just fine. Another option is to go into the CFLAGS= ine in the Makefile and add -I/usr/include/bsd -I/usr/include/ansi to the things already there. The problem is that in NS3.0, NeXT moved include files that are generally in /usr/include to /usr/include/ansi and /usr/include/bsd. If you use the gcc that NeXT provides (called /bin/cc), it will automatically look in the right place. If you make your own gcc and make sure that it looks in the right place, you don't need to add these -I paths in the future. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Where are the sunglasses? (Re: NeXT Shirts) Message-ID: <1993Jul16.124938.26531@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <CA7HMp.5sw@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1993Jul15.152012.6302@mdd.comm.mot.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 12:49:38 GMT >NeXT Pencils $20.30 box of 100 >NeXT Cross Pen $21.15 each >NeXT Decals $75.00 box of 100 >NeXT T-shirt $5.65 each - sizes S, M, L, XL (pre-shrunk) >NeXT Turtle Neck $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL >NeXT Glass Mug $1.70 each >NeXT Leather Folder $54.50 each >NeXT Sweatshirt $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL >NeXT Tote-bag $ 6.25 each >NeXT Mouse pad $ 9.67 each > What ever happened to those nifty cross-polarized sunglasses (for 3D viewing) that were announced in the April 1, 1989 Buzzings? They weren't in the glossy mailer that came with my evaluation package either. What happen to the good ole days!-) Charlie > >Martin > -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) Subject: Re: making gzip SOLUTION and SUMMARY Message-ID: <1993Jul16.135935.8718@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin) Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory References: <22655r$o08@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 13:59:35 GMT In article <22655r$o08@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >I don't know where you got your 'gcc', but it isn't looking in the >right places for the include files. One easy fix is to go into the >Makefile that configure created and change the 'gcc' to 'cc'. That >will work just fine. >-- >David Lemson (217) 244-1205 >University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator >Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson >NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD This was the correct fix. I don't have any idea what version of gcc is in /usr/local/bin here, but it's the wrong one. Thanks David! I'd also like to thank all the respondents for helping me out. The correct problem was that the missing include files had been moved into some subdirectories by the friendly folks at NeXT, and that our local gcc wasn't looking there for them. There were lots of helpful hints along the lines of using find to locate the include files and then supplying make with the extra subdirectories, but the compiler supplied in release 3.0 does this by itself. -- Ed_Faught@ssc.gov WA9WDM wouldn't dare to speak for the Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jeff Adams Subject: Re: PhotoCD's & NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Sender: news@wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <1993Jul16.003730.22327@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:45:42 GMT In article <1993Jul16.003730.22327@pixar.com> wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) writes: > PhotoAlbum.app on the NeXT (bundled in 3.1) does all the conversion a > NeXTer needs. Other than the PhotoShop plugin on the Mac (which lets you > read the data in LAB) it's the best PhotoCD converter I've seen, > especially since it provides a filter service which lets you import > transparently into other apps. I personally think PhotoAlbum.app left out one major feature which I was really hoping they would add. Namely, the ability to crop a photo at a smaller size and then only load in the cropped image when you switch to one of the larger photo sizes. You really need this if you want to look at parts of the largest image size without having 30-40 Megs necessary to load the entire image. I noticed in the Info Panel for PhotoAlbum, it makes reference to version 1.0 of a "PhotoCDKit". Does this mean we may soon be able to buy a PhotoCD Developer's Kit from Kodak made specifically for the NeXT? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Adams jeffa@wri.com (NeXTMail accepted) Wolfram Research Inc. Of course these are my own opinions! ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) Subject: Re: NeXTtime ? Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: <CA9J3z.I9E@apollo.hp.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 15:02:23 GMT References: <CA3yAH.K6x@apollo.hp.com> <220q5uINNgr9@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> <CA89Cp.9F9@agedwards.com> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA In article <CA89Cp.9F9@agedwards.com> cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) writes: >peter@tu-graz.ac.at (Peter Resele) writes: > >>Daniel E. Ganek (ganek@apollo.hp.com) wrote: >>: ... His slides were on photoCD, makes for >>: a slick presentation. - I didn't get to ask him if he used a NeXT to >>: produce them. How easy is it to produce a PhotoCD presentation on a >>: NeXT. i.e. can I dump PS or TIFF images to a floppy and just send them >>: off to Kodak? > >>I think it is not quite as easy as that. As far as I know, Kodak just >>can put real (say, old fashioned ;-) ) slides and photo negatives on CD. >>However, Kodak now offers two tools for processing the CD-ROM images on >>Apple (MESS-WIN?), which allow you to convert the proprietary format into >>almost anything (TIFF, PS, ...). I don't know the names of the products, >>but I remember having read a rather positive review. I think some other >>products are coming out now, too. > >Included with NS3.1 (both Intel & 68k) under /NextDeveloper/Demos is >an app called "PhotoCD.app". This allows the user to view images on >a Kodak format PhotoCD. If your CD player supports multiple sessions, >then you will have access to any slides placed on the CD AFTER the >initial cut of the CD. > >I think I remember somebody saying that PhotoCD.app was created using >a Kit which will be available sometime. Not sure if it was 3.2, 4.0, >or ???. > >Just doing my little bit to dispel and create rumors :-) > >-cj >-- >============================================================================== >Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com >BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 > | BellNet: (314) 289-5372 I thought I made myself clear but from some of the mail I've received and other comments I guess I didn't. First, I'm in HP multi-media Lab and, altho I don't work with them here, I know a little bit about them :-) I don't want to copy images from the photoCD to a computer, but the opposite. I want to create a presentation on a NeXT or PA-RISC or what have you, copy the resultant images to an electronic medium (not screen shots!), send them off and have a photCD come back that I can then use for a NON-COMPUTER based presentation. I.e. I want to use a consumer grade PhotoCD player and a tv set/monitor. What I did learn was that Steve's presentation was generated using Lighthouse sw (big $$) and that it was actually running on a NeXT because we didn't have a CPlayer available. What confused me was that fact that he appeared to be using a CDplayer remote to control the player.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: MacDraw 2 eps,tiff,whatever? Message-ID: <1993Jul16.144223.18398@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <CA7t8p.7pD@dove.nist.gov> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:42:23 GMT In article <CA7t8p.7pD@dove.nist.gov> eboltz@nist.gov writes: > >I have some MacDraw files (DRWGD2 in the header) that I need to convert into >something for editing on either a NeXT or PC. > >Anything out there (note these are not PICT files)?? > >thanks in advance, >Eric > >-- >Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* >Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu >National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted > (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) > My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, > the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST. Aldus FreeHand for Macintosh will read object-oriented PICT files (what you have). Save those files as filenam.fh3 and get them to a NeXT. Use Virtuoso to open them and edit away. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 References: <1262@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 15:30:55 GMT I've had PasteUp for a while now. In my opinion, anyone who has a use for this sort of application and doesn't take advantage of the 50% discount is making a real mistake. It's one of the nicest, most polished products I've seen for the NeXT. -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Date: 16 Jul 1993 17:44:53 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <226pel$1mo@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <88421@ut-emx.uucp> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) writes: > Apparently CDPlayer.app expects to see a CD-ROM drive at sd1 > unless you have "Public Window Server" enabled in the Unix > Preferences dialogue. Being a public window server compromises > your security on a network but it does let CDPlayer.app find > CD-ROM drives at positions other than sd1. > > It isn't in the FAQ yet but it is a FAQ. Thanks to jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss), we have a safer and simplier way to handle CD-ROM drives which are setup to be a device other than sd1. He did a "strings" on the application, and deduced that there's a CDDrive option. So if your CD-ROM drive is device sd2 (as mine is), you just need to type the following command in a Unix window: dwrite CDPlayer CDDrive /dev/rsd2h (note that the case is significant in the above). If you have it as some other device, just replace the "2" with the correct number. After you've done this, you should be able to just double-click on the CDPlayer application and it will ask that you insert a disk in the *correct* external disk drive. Put in a music disc, and you should be all set. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Date: 16 Jul 1993 17:40:08 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de> In article <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de>, vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: > > ...and for <$5000 you get a >60 SPECint92 MIPS R4000 SGI Indy with digital ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Epa! For $4999, what you get is a 34 SPECint92 MIPS R4000PC. (The difference between this one and the 59 SPECint92 R4000SC is that the former is lacking a 1Mb secondary cache). > God, how I wish they would port NeXTSTEP to SGI You'll have to wait for at least 1 and a half years, I think. -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimr@world.std.com (James A Robinson) Subject: Serial-Port login hangs Message-ID: <CA9uFD.GoF@world.std.com> Summary: NeXT Cube serial port hangs on dial-up. Keywords: Serial port, NeXT Cube, hangs Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 19:06:47 GMT Hi, I was curious to see if anyone has had an odd problem with their NeXT Cube hanging up the serial line on them? We have a NeXT cube that has uugetty installed on a Telebit 9600bps modem, and whenever someone calls it up it works for about 5 or ten minutes, and then hangs up on the user. The modem resets just fine, and you can call back in seconds, but I was wondering about possible reasons. It is going to be vital to get the dial-up access working properly as our school when classes start. :-( If you need hardware lists I will post them. e-mail or posts would be much appreciated, flames I would rather see in /dev/null. :-) Jim jimr@world.std.com
From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: User.addresses Message-ID: <34203@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 16 Jul 93 19:36:51 GMT References: <boardman.742591568@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu In article <boardman.742591568@news.acns.nwu.edu> boardman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Boardman) writes: > > I am running NS3.0 and need a little information on > /NextLibrary/Addresses/User.addresses. How does one input > work/home/fax numbers and address information. > Do I need to mess with netinfo? > > BTW, my NeXT came with NS2.1 and a free upgrade to 3.0. Unfortunately, I > didn't get the 3.0 documentation...only the online sysadmin stuff...I could > not find anything to help in there. > > Michael Boardman > boardman@davinci.lfc.edu double-click the Users.addresses icon in the file viewer to make an inspector panel appear. Two new commands appear in the file menu when this inspector is the "key" (foreground) window. New User and New Group. When you choose new user, a new icon appears. Double-clicking it opens it's inspector so you can enter information about that person. Likewise you can create groups of users by creating a new group, dragging its icon to the users.addresses shelf, then dragging and dropping users onto the group icon. Don't forget you can also "inspect" the users.addresses icon too. A neat button exists for exporting your address list into an RTF file so you can use it in other apps. --- Mike Shebanek Computing and Communications University of California, Riverside Riverside, CA 92521 mikes@velo.ucr.edu (NeXTMail Accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlier@venus.ycc.yale.edu Subject: looking for MO w/ NSI Message-ID: <1993Jul16.154653.1@venus.ycc.yale.edu> Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC) Date: 16 Jul 93 15:46:53 EDT Hi, I am looking for a magneto-optical drive that will work with NEXTSTEP Intel. I would like a 3.5" drive either 128 MB or 256 MB (I have not decided yet), but a pretty fast one. I would really appreciate recommendations. There are quite a lot of MO around now and I want to be sure I get one that will work w/ NSI. I called NeXT but they told me that they haven't tried any. I would thing that they don't require a special driver and just work like SCSI HD. If you have one please tell me about its speed, access time, what you think of it, etc. Are the access times given in ads -like the 19 ms of the Pinnacle drives- measured the same way they are on hard drives, or do they use a different procedure, like 1/3 stroke? My e-mail address is: carlier@pressure.eng.yale.edu (No NeXTMail on that one) Thanks Claude Department of Chemical Engineering Yale University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: PhotoCD's & NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jul16.173223.704@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 17:32:23 GMT In article <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Jeff Adams writes: |Does this mean we may soon be able to buy a PhotoCD Developer's Kit from Kodak |made specifically for the NeXT? Actually, I'd imagine it is going to be a kit like the 3DKit, DBkit, etc, included with NeXTSTEP (or sold as a system add-on). -- Jon Hendry It's a thousand classes, give or take a few, <jon@afs.com> I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare Writer
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS3.1 Login Panel images on orst Date: 16 Jul 1993 21:39:04 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.93Jul16143905@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <2257o0$562@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In-reply-to: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of 16 Jul 1993 03:36:32 GMT >>>>> "Joe" == Joseph W Reiss <jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes: Joe> Here's what you do to install the login panel of your choice... Joe> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe> 1) Login as root (su should work) Joe> 2) Change to the /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app directory Joe> (from the Workspace, you'll need to select loginwindow.app, then Joe> select "Open as Folder" from the "File" menu) Joe> 3) Make a backup copy of LoginPanel.tiff Joe> (I just make a copy of it in the loginwindow.app directory called Joe> LoginPanel.master.tiff) Joe> 4) Make a link (or a copy) of the image you want to use as your Joe> login to this directory and rename it to LoginPanel.tiff Joe> 5) Logout Joe> 6) When prompted to login, login as "exit". Joe> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe> When the login window reappears, you should see the new login panel. Don't do all that! Instead, place the tiff in some likely location, login as root, and do: dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /LocalLibrary/Images/mylogin.tiff It's more robust---even survives NS upgrades. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <CA9HHI.152@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jul15.214118.7950@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:27:17 GMT One thing, the Intel GX requires 72 pin x 70ns TIN leeds. You can use gold. Since the SIMM sockets are tin, if you use gold and get condenstation on the contacts... you get a battery! BTW: SIMM prices just went up again,... I'm getting a tad tired of these price increases. Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed technologies, inc. In article <1993Jul15.214118.7950@sol.UVic.CA> dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes: [munch]> > I thought the price differential between the identical machines with 16Mb > and 32Mb, resp, was too big. It seems to be a standard in the industry to > inflate prices of components over and above the normal config. Gateway & > I'm sure all the other mail order firms do this also. When I last price > checked the system that I would have liked from Gateway, I figured it > would have cost the same to order the base system and buy the upgrade > components here, but I would also retain the original replaced components. > > You can find 60ns 4Mbx9 simms in Canada for under $200 Can. which means > in the U.S., it should probably run < $600. > > Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca >
From: laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shipping Costs Message-ID: <1993Jul13.140051.2308@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: 13 Jul 93 14:00:51 GMT References: <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> Sender: laurent@CAM.ORG!planon In article <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) writes: | | year the problems going *into* Canada are almost infinitely worse. In | addition to the tariffs and various border policies, there are also the | various forms of Canadian sales taxes which are so onerous (15% in Ontario, | I think ~19% now in PEI and New Brunswick) they try to apply it to | everything possible. | Just to make things clear, let me say that the federal government modify it's sale tax some years ago. Now, on almost everything, a 7% sale tax is applied. However, this tax is applied only to the new value of an item in the distribution chain. For example, if a manufacturer sells to a distributor a product $100, the distributor will pay $7 for G.S.T. (Goods and Services Tax). Then, suppose the distributor resell the product, says, $200, to a customer, the customer will pay $14 of G.S.T. When the distributor pays his G.S.T. to the government, he can substract the G.S.T. he paid to the manufacturer from the amount he must send to the government. So, in each step, the tax is applied only to the product added value. The government said it would be much more fair to everybody. Then, if, for example, you live in Quebec, suppose you buy the product $200, the total cost, so far including the GST is $214. To this amount, you must add an 8% of provincial sale tax, or $17.12, which bring the product cost to $231.12. While the GST is 7% on goods and services, the PST (Provincial Sale Tax) is 8% on goods and 4% on services, which make things more difficult! Each province has his own tax rate. However, I know that if you, from the US, buy something in Quebec, the PST is not perceived. If you come to Quebec and pay, on some products, the PST, you can ask for a full refund for the tax paid. I must agree that here, in Canada, and more specifically in Quebec, the taxes are very high, and it costs a lot to live here. However, we have some social advantages, like a health insurance, a higher minimum salary basis and so on... It's really difficult to make true comparisons. Hope this is clearer! Laurent -- ****************************************************************************** Laurent Daudelin, Software Engineer Planon TELEXPERTISE Inc., Boucherville, Quebec, CANADA laurent@planon.qc.ca <-- NeXTMail welcome!
From: laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shipping Costs Message-ID: <1993Jul13.141232.2366@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: 13 Jul 93 14:12:32 GMT References: <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> Sender: laurent@CAM.ORG!planon In article <CA376G.AMJ@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) writes: | Rob Tibshirani writes | []In article <CA0rHn.Cry@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu | (Tim Pugh) writes: | [] | []This is not the fault of canadian companies. Rather it is the fault of | the US | []border police who are using every trick in the book to prevent imports | from | []selling there. Perhaps your government should look at its own hidden | []protectionist ways before chiding Japan. | [] | I must agree that the US border police try to make things difficult to canadians. It's remind me a story as an example to this: some weeks ago, the Montreal hockey team had to fly to New York to play a playoff hockey game against the New York Islanders. They had to wait more than an hour to the US border gate at the airport. The reason? Their flight was not registered 30 days ago!!! The team general manager has to argument with the border police, telling them that, 30 days ago, they didn't know they would do the playoffs!!! Finally, they were allowed to go. I've heard many stories of that kind, showing a clear decision of discouraging canadians to go or make any other activities in the US. I don't know why, however... I could also give you numerous examples of the US protectionism in trade matters. Even there is a free trade treaty in effect for some years now, the lobby from big US companies is very powerful. As a result, specials surcharge taxes are applied to canadian products, which is contrary to the free trade treaty. I know that things are not so beautiful in the US, and that the US have some real problems, but, I don't understand why they see threats from us... Laurent. -- ****************************************************************************** Laurent Daudelin, Software Engineer Planon TELEXPERTISE Inc., Boucherville, Quebec, CANADA laurent@planon.qc.ca <-- NeXTMail welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@iienext1.eas.asu.edu (Operator) Subject: Intel GX and Pentium Ready Systems For Sale Message-ID: <1993Jul16.223144.17582@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Keywords: Pentiums Sender: news@ennews.eas.asu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Arizona State University Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 22:31:44 GMT 1) GX Prof Hires 16 MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Price = $4,685.00 2) GX Prof Hires 16 MB RAM, 540 MB Hard Drive Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Price = $5,520.00 3) GX Prof Hires 32MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Price = $5,755.00 4)Pentium Systems Model LX and MX 64-bit Architecture Now shipping with DX50 (Upgradable to Pentium) 16MB RAM to 32MB RAM 17" Mag Monitor Keyboard Mouse Price = $7,500.00 to $12,500.00 Pentium Modules will not be availble till Q4. However, send a PO now so you will be on top of the list. We will however ship systems with DX50 or DX266 modules Buy now while prices are low..... Call Bob Padua at (602) 961-3401 Ext 4459 Pentrix/Tri-Star Computer 120 S Weber Chandler Arizona
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@iienext1.eas.asu.edu (Operator) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul16.223546.18008@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Sender: news@ennews.eas.asu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Arizona State University References: <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 22:35:46 GMT In article <1993Jul13.195715.29063@glv.uucp> andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) writes: > Bobby Padua writes > > We are selling brand new Intel GX Professional Machines at the Following > > prices and configurations: > > > > 1) GX Prof Hires > > 16 MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive > > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > > 17" Mag Monitor > > Keyboard and Mouse > > Price = $4,685.00 > > > > 2) GX Prof Hires > > 16 MB RAM, 540 MB Hard Drive > > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > > 17" Mag Monitor > > Keyboard and Mouse > > Price = $5,485.00 > > 3) GX Prof Hires > > 32MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive > > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > > 17" Mag Monitor > > Keyboard and Mouse > > Price = $5,685.00 > > > > Buy now while prices are low..... > > Actually these prices are not very low. I spent $5555 for a Gateway 2000 66V > and this is what I got: > > 32M RAM, 1.2G HD > 3.5 Floppy, 2MB VRAM, ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus > Adaptec SCSI card > 17" NEC 5FG > Keyboard/Mouse > 14.4 Data/9600 Fax modem (Compuserve,fax package, and 2 other modem packages) > Windows/Paradox/Quatro thrown in (probably won't use) > > For $135 less I have 800 more megabyte hard drive, modem, and some software. > > -- > Robert John Andersen > andersen@reality.glv.com > 919-460-3285 Voice > 919-460-3295 Fax -Please take note on what you are getting. The GX boxes have built-in audio they are also designed with a 64-bit architecture in which gateway supports a 32-bit architecture. -Wait till you compare there performance once the pentium is out. You machine may have some erroneous errors on compatability.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Doug Boyce) Subject: Re: HELP with DPT controller and NS/FIP Message-ID: <CAA7MI.4x0@acsu.buffalo.edu> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <wagner.1448.742603226@main.mndly.umn.edu> <221d9g$99q@news.mic.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 23:51:53 GMT In article <221d9g$99q@news.mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > >I am not sure about the ALR, but it looks like it is a DPT problem. >The solution might be to use your EISA utility to set the DPT's IRQ >level to 15-edge instead of 14-edge, and to make sure that you set a >transfer rate of only 5MB/s rather than 10MB/s (even if your harddisks >can do 10MB/s). Also make sure that it states that the Hardware Mapping for I/O ports reads "Secondary/Disabled." -- Doug Boyce dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: karuzis@wccf.mit.edu (GLENN HOLM) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS3.1 Login Panel images on orst Date: 16 Jul 1993 20:06 EST Organization: MIT - Whitaker College Distribution: world Message-ID: <16JUL199320064173@wccf.mit.edu> References: <2257o0$562@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <SOWA.93Jul16143905@amdew.llnl.gov> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <SOWA.93Jul16143905@amdew.llnl.gov>, sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) writes... >>>>>> "Joe" == Joseph W Reiss <jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes: >Joe> Here's what you do to install the login panel of your choice... >Don't do all that! Instead, place the tiff in some likely location, >login as root, and do: > dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /LocalLibrary/Images/mylogin.tiff >It's more robust---even survives NS upgrades. > >-- >erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov) and then run a shell script that picks out an image file at 'random' based on seconds of system uptime, soft link that to mylogin.tiff and have cron restart your window server. there was an old post in c.s.n.m. with a script to play a random sound selection called 'jukebox' or something that could be modified for login images. i haven't experimented with cron and restarting the window server (you'd probably want to check that nobody's logged on and then kill and restart WM.app). BTW the old 2.x app background still works (most of the time) on 3.1 black, so you can have an .eps or a slew of tiled .eps's behind that login window, and still have the 3.1 screen saver. i think i got mine off the Big Green CD ROM. ------------------------------------------------------------------ |Glenn Holm Internet:karuzis@wccf.mit.edu| |M.I.T Dept. of Brain + Cog. Sci. This VAX doesn't do NeXTmail | |Cambridge, MA 02139 "Real Neuroscientists don't do gels!" | ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: bebeada@elof.iit.edu(Adam Beberg) Subject: lzh/pkzip/zoo/arc - uncompressor for the NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Jul17.001116.4229@iitmax.iit.edu> Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Sat, 17 Jul 93 00:11:16 GMT Greetings all.... i am looking for an app that will handle some or all of the compression formats in my subject line... basicly the problem is that they are mostly used on PC's not under unix... this is causing me problems getting data from FTP sites -> my NeXT... i have checked the normal FTP sites for NeXT-souce/binarys with no luck if you know of such an app please NeXTMail me.... - Multa renascentur quae iam cecidere, cadentque | Adam Beberg. Quae nunc sunt in honore vocabula, si volet usus, | Golden Sphinx (tm) Quem penes arbitrium est et ius et norma loquendi. | bebeada@elof.iit.edu ))) In Sterio Where Available ((( | NeXTMail Welcome.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: PhotoCD (was Re: NeXTtime ?) Message-ID: <1993Jul16.225902.17301@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <CA89Cp.9F9@agedwards.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 22:59:02 GMT In article <CA89Cp.9F9@agedwards.com> cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) writes: > peter@tu-graz.ac.at (Peter Resele) writes: > > Included with NS3.1 (both Intel & 68k) under /NextDeveloper/Demos is > an app called "PhotoCD.app". This allows the user to view images on > a Kodak format PhotoCD. If your CD player supports multiple sessions, > then you will have access to any slides placed on the CD AFTER the > initial cut of the CD. Umm, I don't think so. I haven't tried this (I write all my PhotoCDs as single session, just so I don't have to deal with this) but the various drives that implement multi-session do it in slightly different ways. Actually... straight from the horse's mouth (actually, PhotoAlbum.app's Help file): "The PhotoCD standard supports appending more images to your PhotoCD using "Multi-session" technology. Unfortunately, multi-session drives are currently not supported in NeXTSTEP 3.1. (Currently, the driver-level changes to support multi-session drives are vendor-specific) We will be looking into providing this in the future.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: lzh/pkzip/zoo/arc - uncompressor for the NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Jul17.020205.24574@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jul17.001116.4229@iitmax.iit.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 93 02:02:05 GMT Adam Beberg writes > i am looking for an app that will handle some or all of the > compression formats in my subject line... Opener does many of these. From the Help file: > Unpacks/opens common kinds of archived files; handy when perusing > ftp servers. Currently knows: > > *.Z,tar,shar,lzh,uu unix compressed files > *.hqx,bin,sit macintosh archives > *.arc,zip,zoo msdos arc archives > *.PS (Preview misses cap .PS) Available at finer archive sites -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Message-ID: <69369@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 17 Jul 93 02:12:55 GMT References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> <93196.093254U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <jamast00.742765121@mik.uky.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Distribution: na Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 jamast00@bigdaddy.mik.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia) writes: > Another alternative is to place the command [nppower off] in your crontab.local file so > the printer turns off automatically every 30 minutes. It takes a little longer > to start up when a print job starts, but your printer will remain off until > it is needed. the problem with this approach is that if the printer is already off, the "nppower off" command first turns it on before immediately turning it back off. so doing this will power cycle the printer every half hour, which is probably not good for the printer. ideally, the nppower off command would only be issued if the printer was already off. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS3.1 Login Panel images on orst Date: 17 Jul 1993 03:58:47 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <227tdn$6uq@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <2257o0$562@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <SOWA.93Jul16143905@amdew.llnl.gov> Well, due to an email suggestion I received and a post in this thread, I've quickly repackaged and resubmitted the login images to orst. The images are still the same (or they sure as heck SHOULD be), but I used tiff-utils to compress them, thus saving a bunch of space when decompressed. I also modified the README file to use the "proper" installation method. (Hey, I was just tweeking the installation instructions I got off the archive for 2.x!). Also, in order to shave just a tad more off of disk consumption, the tarchive was compressed with gnuzip. The appropriate files are on cs.orst.edu, /pub/next/submissions as BloomLogins.3.1.tar.gz and BloomLogins.3.1.README. Luckily for me the archive administrators hadn't had time to move them yet! Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Lisp. Only sissy `---- | programs contain more parentheses than actual code.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dadams@dstrike.demon.co.uk (David Adams) Subject: Re: !!!! NeXT goes belly up !!!! Distribution: world References: <1993Jul13.121907.1386@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Data Strike Computers Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 19:45:41 +0000 Message-ID: <742851941snz@dstrike.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jul13.121907.1386@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> jds@aplpy.jhuapl.edu writes: >JUST KIDDING. But I wanted to get your attention. I for one would rather you didn't. Some people pay for their access and read only messages whose subject line is of interest. > >Does anyone have any experience using the ATI EISA card under NS/I. Since >it didn't "just work" I tried other numerous settings and other worthless >crap just trying to get the entire test program to display something but >the card still blanks my Nano F550i at resolution higher than 640x480. I use an EISA ATi GUP in a Compaq 486M and it works fine under NeXT at up to 1024x768 in 16bit colour. I have the memory apperture enabled on both the card and the EISA configuration. I am using 24Mb RAM but it also worked when I had only 16. I have not had to change anything at all from my DOS setup with respect to card configuration. Installing NeXT required nothing special either. The card tests out fine under DOS at up to 1200x1000.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: PhotoCD's & NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jul16.194836.3400@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 93 19:48:36 GMT In article <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Jeff Adams writes: > In article <1993Jul16.003730.22327@pixar.com> wave@pixar.com (Michael B. > Johnson) writes: > > > PhotoAlbum.app on the NeXT (bundled in 3.1) does all the conversion a > > NeXTer needs. Other than the PhotoShop plugin on the Mac (which lets you > > read the data in LAB) it's the best PhotoCD converter I've seen, > > especially since it provides a filter service which lets you import > > transparently into other apps. > > I personally think PhotoAlbum.app left out one major feature which I > was really hoping they would add. > > Namely, the ability to crop a photo at a smaller size and then only load in the > cropped image when you switch to one of the larger photo sizes. > > You really need this if you want to look at parts of the largest image size > without having 30-40 Megs necessary to load the entire image. > > I noticed in the Info Panel for PhotoAlbum, it makes reference to version 1.0 > of a "PhotoCDKit". > > Does this mean we may soon be able to buy a PhotoCD Developer's Kit from Kodak > made specifically for the NeXT? > The zoom feature you ask for sounds like what Steve did at the Expo. It was fast enough he may have preloaded the entire image at high res but it looked like he selected a reagon and asked for higher resolution. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: jmb@tyche.merit.edu (Jim Blum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems with S3 video - HELP! Date: 17 Jul 1993 05:49:27 GMT Organization: Merit Network, Inc. Ann Arbor, MI Distribution: world Message-ID: <2283t7$a9@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> I just got NSI going on my new machine. However, there is one big problem with it. When I start it up in the 800 X 600 color mode or the 1024 X 768 grey scalemode, my screen is out of sync. Anybody have any ideas on how to correct this? I am using a STB Powergraph VL-24 (S3 I think), and a CTX 1561 monitor (multi- sync) Thanks in advance. phone (313) 851-1996, e-mail jmb@merit.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 00:25:23 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93198.002523U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * References: <1262@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com> In article <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com>, irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) says: > >I've had PasteUp for a while now. In my opinion, anyone who has a >use for this sort of application and doesn't take advantage of the >50% discount is making a real mistake. It's one of the nicest, >most polished products I've seen for the NeXT. >-- > Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 I'm really confused. I am dying to purchase a page layout app for my machine, this deal is terrific, but I'm getting conflicting reports about PasteUp. Everyone can read the above glowing praise for PU (I probably shouldn't use that abbreviation), but I've heard strong negative comments also. The one that stands out in particular in my recollection is the statement that: "PasteUp is useless for anything more than 1 page layouts." This comment was backed by the fact that PasteUp crashed every time my friend attempted to change something in a two (or more) page layout and then save it. When he attempted to reopen the document, it was a garbage file. I am not trying to start inciteful rumors against PasteUp or RightBrain - I really like their products and the presence of their company in the NeXT universe. I also _really_ want to buy PasteUp. However, even the great prices can't justify purchasing a product that won't do what it says it should do. I'll stick with Virtuoso for 1-page layouts if this is the case. (Now there's a hot/exciting/polished product - and in version 1.0 no less!) Anyway, if anyone can assuage my fears, please do so - I am just looking for a reason (other than the $) to buy PasteUp. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXT mail)
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printing Multiple Files, Multiple Terminal Sessions over Modem? Date: 17 Jul 1993 06:59:30 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <22880i$ob8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I am sure this has been answered before, but does NEXTSTEP 3.x have a way of printing multiple postscript files at once? I had a need to do this today when I wanted to print out a batch of .ps documents, but quickly realized I had to resort to printing them one by one. I know NS lacked batch printing capabilities in the past, but if they haven't fixed it by now, they should be ashamed of themselves! Batch printing is commonplace enough for it to warrant being included at the NS/OS level (without going into UNIX). Secondly, while I am at it, is there a version of kermit that will support *multiple* sessions? I would like to download files while reading mail, etc, in another terminal window. If not kermit, is there any other public domain terminal software that allows multiple sessions over a modem? Thanks, Eric
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTcube <--> PowerBook Duo 230, FYI. Message-ID: <88452@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 17 Jul 93 04:57:53 GMT Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie I thought this might be of general interest... I just bought a MiniDock for my Apple PowerBook Duo 230 yesterday along with the SCSI disk adapter which allows the Duo 230 to act like an external HD to another Mac. Since I ftp files to my Mac at work and then transfer them to the NeXT via serial line I thought it might be nice to try the SCSI disk mode on the NeXT. I set the Duo to ID 3, hooked them up, started them both and voila... there was "HD 120" mounted as an Apple volume (nice little icon of a disk with an apple on it). Copying files back and forth was just a matter of dragging them around as usual and GIF and JPG files could be read by ImageViewer right off the Apple drive. Nice. Much faster than a 38400 serial link. My setup is as follows... NeXTcube '040 16/349 NS3.0, PB Duo 230 12/120 Sys7.1. Ironically the HD in my powerbook is an IBM. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Can't make NeXT Floppy Message-ID: <1993Jul17.125440.1831@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 12:54:40 GMT Hi, I have just upgraded to NS3.1 and I have no long be able to initialize Floppy. Is it a Bug? Is there any work around? I will summarize if I can get enough information. Thanks, Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: SyBase Lib - is it still included in NS3.1? Message-ID: <1993Jul17.125916.1899@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1993Jul17.125440.1831@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 12:59:16 GMT Hi, I have just upgraded to NS3.1 and I found there isn't a package for SyBase-DB Lib as it is in NS3.0. Is this Library still bundled? Or I have to use the one in NS3.0?? Thanks in advance, Andy
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Date: 17 Jul 1993 15:03:46 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: world Message-ID: <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de> <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> In article <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: >You'll have to wait for at least 1 and a half years, I think. [for a port of NeXTstep to SGI] I've been having some unofficial/informal talks with some SGI folks and they don't seem to really care much about porting NeXTstep at all -- these folks don't see any market and they'd rather tout their own software. I'd love to see NeXTstep on an SGI but it's going to take quite a bit of convincing. >Fernando D. Mato Mira ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Turnaucka's Law: The attention span of a computer is only as long as its electrical cord.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jul17.135743.2849@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <1993Jul16.223546.18008@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 13:57:43 GMT Operator writes > -Please take note on what you are getting. The GX boxes have built-in > audio they are also designed with a 64-bit architecture in which gateway > supports a 32-bit architecture. So I have to buy a sound board, I can live without sound for right now. If I want to improve performance I can always pop in a Pentium Overdrive chip or the 486-100 (if they ever come out with it). > -Wait till you compare there performance once the pentium is out. You > machine may have some erroneous errors on compatability. I have some compatability problems with a 3COM Etherlink III network card, I tried an Intel EtherExpress and it worked fine. Your last line also applies to the Intel pentium boxes, there might be compatability problems with those. The bottom line is this, for the money that I had, I have a machine with enough disk space to last quite a while and the ability to upgrade processors for a reasonable price. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com Encompass 113 Edinburgh South Suite 200 Cary, NC 27511 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: I need a bigger cursor Message-ID: <1993Jul17.023810.422@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 02:38:10 GMT Don't we all. I am doing a demo Monday, and have the LCD display for the weekend. I have found the original cursor to be small. If you have something to fix this temporarily, please mail it to me. THanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Message-ID: <CA8Mru.50v@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 03:23:53 GMT In article <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) writes: #I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off #while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what #commands I should use? Thank you. # nppower off - turns it off or you can just use the SleepPrinter application. Trying to print will turn it on. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: You and your Swapfile Message-ID: <1993Jul17.182548.22178@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic & Public Computing Distribution: na Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 18:25:48 GMT Just for my and the net's general information, someone please give specifics on the operation of the swapfile. I think that swapfile compression and its performance boost are well known in this group, as is the fact that once the amount swapped out exceeds the lowat (usually 16 meg) that the swapfile "grows and grows." Although I am interested in the some specifics of swapfile operation, I am most interested in why the swapfile cannot be reduced to the lowat until reboot. If big processes are exited, why can't the swapfile be re-mapped to reclaim the unused memory... How is swapfile memory allocated and reclaimed? Does the lowat do anything else other than at reboot or restart? Is there a way, beyond getting more RAM (which is a given) and running fewer apps, of managing your swapfile? Lastly, what is the optimal lowat size and why? I have heard that the lowat should be roughly equal to the RAM in one's machine. What is the benefit/costs of a lower or higher lowat? Just curious, - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis LaFont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC Date: 17 Jul 1993 18:50:41 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <229hm1$858@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> You dreamed about Canon ? Sure it was a good thing... I know the japanese market a little, and the asian too. Canon can have a killer workstation, and take the lead in Japan... But japanese are japanese, and nothing will change... Denis -- _________________________________________________________________ Denis LAFONT, Software Engineer e-mail : cs438@cleveland.freenet.edu -no NeXT Mail please ;-(- Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed are mine.
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Date: 17 Jul 1993 20:23:34 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <229n46$mcq@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de> <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> In article <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu>, matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: > In article <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > >You'll have to wait for at least 1 and a half years, I think. > [for a port of NeXTstep to SGI] > > I've been having some unofficial/informal talks with some SGI folks and they > don't seem to really care much about porting NeXTstep at all -- these folks > don't see any market and they'd rather tout their own software. > > I'd love to see NeXTstep on an SGI but it's going to take quite a bit of > convincing. > Yeah, I know they have been vague enough when I asked some months ago. But anyway, why should they care? It's NeXT who should do the job. Or, do you think they are so eager at SGI about porting Solaris? On the other hand, I am doubting now if I have messed up a bit and I got the quote about "not before two years" when talking (also) about Windows NT some months ago. Now, that's something they must be caring more about (money talks). In any case, the "wait for a least 1 and a half years" still applies. But as you indicate, that might be a very, very long wait indeed... I would be happy just having a Mach kernel on my SGI, for starters... -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@nexus.yorku.ca (Phil McDunnough) Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <CAByyq.BqG@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto References: <1262@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com> <93198.002523U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 22:40:02 GMT In article <93198.002523U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: [ ] > >I'm really confused. I am dying to purchase a page layout app for my machine, >this deal is terrific, but I'm getting conflicting reports about PasteUp. >Everyone can read the above glowing praise for PU (I probably shouldn't use >that abbreviation), but I've heard strong negative comments also. The one >that stands out in particular in my recollection is the statement that: >"PasteUp is useless for anything more than 1 page layouts." This comment was >backed by the fact that PasteUp crashed every time my friend attempted to >change something in a two (or more) page layout and then save it. When he >attempted to reopen the document, it was a garbage file. >I am not trying to start inciteful rumors against PasteUp or RightBrain - I >really like their products and the presence of their company in the NeXT >universe. I also _really_ want to buy PasteUp. However, even the great prices >can't justify purchasing a product that won't do what it says it should do. >I'll stick with Virtuoso for 1-page layouts if this is the case. (Now there's >a hot/exciting/polished product - and in version 1.0 no less!) Hmm...I had the opportunity to use PasteUp2.0 for around 3 weeks. Now at the time I was on the search for a companion to Equation Builder, and there does not exist such a product for the NeXT now other than NeXT TeX. That being said, I tried all kinds of things (including dropping 32 page Postscript files into it- the NeXT hardware guide). It worked great. I am not a DTP'ing expert, but I just can't see any justification for the "useful for 1 page layout designs' statement". It's simply not true. Perhaps your friend was simply not using version 2.0? I think people might regret not taking advantage of this July special. Now if only RighBrain's 800 number worked from Canada... -- Philip McDunnough philip@nexus.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@nexus.yorku.ca (Phil McDunnough) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <CABzIF.CDu@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto References: <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de> <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 22:51:51 GMT In article <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: [ ] > >I've been having some unofficial/informal talks with some SGI folks and they >don't seem to really care much about porting NeXTstep at all -- these folks >don't see any market and they'd rather tout their own software. > >I'd love to see NeXTstep on an SGI but it's going to take quite a bit of >convincing. For what it's worth I really don't see it as a big deal not having NS on any SGI computer. This latest offering is not inexpensive when you take into account all kinds of hidden costs, sw costs, maintenance, HD, peripherals, etc... SGI is a marginal company with a niche appeal. Moreover their multimedia advantage is being chipped away rapidly by others, including the Mac and the PC. They don't have the volume, DEC's alpha may very well hurt them badly, and by the time multimedia is actually well-defined micros will be ready to step in. Everything is volume, and ntel has it. The priority should be getting NS running on Intel PC's and supporting as many peripherals as possible. As a simple example this means getting away from this SCSI obsession for CD-ROM drives. It only adds to the cost and provides very limited benefits, if any. Another would be to support the Sound Blaster which is the sound card for PC's. Seamless integration of Windows is not a priority. Let Insignia work on that. However, inexpensive tape backup support would be great. One of the problems with providing a better DOS than DOS and a better Windows than Windows is that the developers then have only an incentive to develop for Windows. This happened in at least one major application which had been slated for OS/2, but that port is now in doubt. Instead the people chose to move more into Windows (since OS/2 ran the product fine as a Windows' app), port to the Mac and to Unix (under X). That product is well known to many of the TeX users here... -- Philip McDunnough philip@nexus.yorku.ca
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Starting Point Kit question? Date: 18 Jul 1993 00:59:31 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <22a79j$koa@agate.berkeley.edu> Hello, I just have a brief question. Is the staring point kit the same for a NeXTstation and a NeXTstatoin Color? Please take the time to reply if you have the answer. Thanks in advance.
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Date: 18 Jul 1993 03:02:01 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: na Message-ID: <22aef9$7la@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <22303g$c8n@news.u.washington.edu> Cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) wrote... >I'd like to be able to turn a NeXT laser printer on and off >while my NeXT computer is running. Does anybody know what >commands I should use? Thank you. Well, to add more food to this thread, here's a TickleService that I just hammered together (my first). It adds a Printer submenu to your Services menu. Within this menu are two commands: Printer On and Printer Off. They both just call /usr/etc/nppower with the appropriate parameters, but they're a heckuva lot easier that pulling up a shell all the time. You should just be able to cut out the stuff between the lines and save it as "~/Library/TickleServices/Printer.ts", or wherever you keep your TickleServices. Oh, and of course you'll need the TickleServices package, too. ------------------------------ Snip 8< ------------------------------ # Begin TickleServices Version 1.02mab Data "Divider" = "155.000000"; "Menu Item" = "!Initialization!"; "Tcl" = "# Services initialization code."; "Window Size" = "{ 605.000, 336.000}"; | "Menu Item" = "Printer/Printer Off"; "Send Type" = "NXAsciiPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXFilenamePboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXFontPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXPostScriptPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXRTFPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXRulerPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXTIFFPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXTabularTextPboardType"; "Tcl" = "\ # Turn the NeXT's printer off exec /usr/etc/nppower off "; | "Menu Item" = "Printer/Printer On"; "Send Type" = "NXAsciiPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXFilenamePboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXFontPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXPostScriptPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXRTFPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXRulerPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXTIFFPboardType"; "Send Type" = "NXTabularTextPboardType"; "Tcl" = "\ # Turn the NeXT's printer on exec /usr/etc/nppower on "; # End TickleServices Data ------------------------------ >8 Unsnip ------------------------------ Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | But Keptin...evweyone knows that .sigs vere inwented `---- | by a wittle old lady in Wussia? In SIGovia, I beweive.
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <930717.143718.7s2.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 14:37:18 MDT References: <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <CA7HMp.5sw@news2.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) writes: > Hermann Marketing > 1400 North Price Road > St. Louis, MO 63132-2308 > 1-800-972-1331 > fax (314) 432-1818 non-800 voice: 314 432 1800 when they say `stay on the line to leave a message', don't - it lies. I just hit `2' for orders and didn't leave a credit card # or phone #. -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: commands to turn a next laser printer on and off Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Distribution: na Date: 17 Jul 93 21:05:49 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul17.210549.3449@crash> References: <69369@mimsy.umd.edu> Alex Blakemore (alex@cs.umd.edu) wrote: : [...] : the problem with this approach is that if the printer is already off, : the "nppower off" command first turns it on before immediately turning : it back off. so doing this will power cycle the printer every half hour, : which is probably not good for the printer. : : ideally, the nppower off command would only be issued if the printer was : already off. : : -- : Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted Which begs the question, "where's the npstatus" command? Returns 1 if power is on, 0 if off, or some other value if error. Then you could write a crontab script that checks to see the STATUS of the printer and only turns it off if it is indeed on. Possible?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Message-ID: <1993Jul18.055731.1698@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <1vatqpINN1qs@clem.handheld.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 05:57:31 GMT Jim De Arras writes > That someone who is writting a NS newreader would call trn a really cool > newsreader causes me concern as to the "nextness" of his NS reader!! > > :-) Has anyone compiled the Japanese-based newsreader that was distributed on the BANG CD-ROM? I've not tried yet... but, would love to if I had the time! :-) Don't know how it compares to NewsGrazer, though... -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Technologies Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Re: Comments on PasteUp (was: RightBrain Sale: 50% off) Message-ID: <1993Jul18.053758.1565@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <93198.002523U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 05:37:58 GMT <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes > Everyone can read the above glowing praise for PU (I probably shouldn't use > that abbreviation), but I've heard strong negative comments also. The one > that stands out in particular in my recollection is the statement that: > ... I've got to give you my vote of praise for PasteUp. I've been using it to produce everything from one or two page articles to four page brochures with ease and without any major complaints. Version 2.0 is many times more stable than the 1.x releases (which did have some significant problems). Under the latest release I have only once caused a crash, and PasteUp was kind enough to supply me with a file.CRASH.pasteup (or something like that) from which I recovered all my work. There are a few quirks that take getting used to, but once you have it you'll love it. It's fast, easy to use, and I like the way it handles multi-page documents. -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Technologies Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FTP'ing from ftp.next.com Date: 18 Jul 1993 09:32:46 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <22b5buINN721@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Hi, I was just trying to ftp from next. Note that all files are now in ftp.next.com (versus next.com). How does one FTP a whole directory??? It seems that old version of the SupportBulletin and the new NEXTSTEP in Focus DON'T have the whole issue as a single .tar.Z file. I'd like to get these files and NeXTanswers, but I'm not too pleased about first creating a directory on my work machine and then "mget"ting the files. Is there a better way? RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines and Keeper of the ZyXEL FAQ
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: making gzip Date: 18 Jul 1993 09:27:38 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <22b52a$ok8@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> In article <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> Ed_Faught@ssc.gov writes: >When I try to make gzip the compiler complains about missing header files. I >have to have overlooked something obvious; what? Add a -D_POSIX_SOURCE. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tape driver behaviour in NS/I :-(( Date: 18 Jul 1993 09:41:49 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Distribution: world Message-ID: <22b5st$geg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi NeXTers, I got a brand new Sankyo CP 525 QIC-Streamer (up to 520 MB) for my NS/Intel box. I made my first backup on a brand new cartrdige, everything went fine. But... - I cannot read any tape written from a different Unix (e.g. Linux, Sun OS, ISC, ...) - If the NS/I tape driver gets his hands on a tape that was ever written from a different OS, he refuses to write on that tape at all! No read, no write, no go :-(( All I get is "I/O error". I do not want to buy new tapes just for this **** NS/I. At least, NS/I can read its own backup tape. Wow... Any comments on this? Help appreciated! Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: making gzip Message-ID: <1993Jul17.130850.795@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 13:08:50 GMT In article <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) writes: > berserk:gzip-1.2.3 18> make > gcc -c -DASMV -DNO_UTIME_H=1 -DVOID_CLOSEDIR=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=int -O gzip.c > gzip.c:51: ctype.h: No such file or directory Your installation of gcc is not correct. Run fixincludes. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis LaFont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FTP'ing from ftp.next.com Date: 18 Jul 1993 14:37:27 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <22bn77$c8a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> y Hello, If you want to ftp the whole directory: 1- If your NeXTSTEP machine has access to the Net use GatorFtp +(found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu) 2- If you have an X Window machine on the net, use Ftptool4.5 or xftp (both on export.lcs.mit.edu I supposed) Denis -- _________________________________________________________________ Denis LAFONT, Software Engineer e-mail : cs438@cleveland.freenet.edu -no NeXT Mail please ;-(- Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed are mine.
From: mgilula@gerilla.tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer and "From:" line problems Date: 18 Jul 1993 11:27:03 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9307181546.AA00516@gerilla.tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> ATTENTION: my header may be a bit FUBAR, and you may need to email me at the tigger address given below if hitting "r" doesn't work in your mailer. Private email responses sent to me will be summarized and re-posted. my hostname (and my uucpname) is "gerilla". As a user, I am identified in my system as "mgilula". I have a 40-660 040 Cube running 3.0. There is an additional 2.4G Seagate (SCSI) performing adequately and the only serious modification I have made to my system is the "b sd() sdmach nbuf=128". I went into my NewsGrazer app and found under Preferences, Post, that in the "From" window I have "gerilla.gerilla!mgilula(Marshall Gilula)" and that I am unable to remove this from the window by any means I know about. I wonder if this is coming from my C-news installation I attempted some months ago just to get "inews" (still not working) or whether it is from something else. It seems that whatever is "causing" this might be related to my horrific "From" lines that I get in my Mail messages. Especially the fact that I am unable to empty the window...whenever I try to do so, and hit the "OK" button, the unwanted address returns to the window. If I put another address in the window like, "mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu," it appears to stay in the window, but it's as though the "From" window in the Preferences of NewsGrazer demands something... (sorry for the anthropomorphism) 8-| -73- --- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" (NeXTMail OK ) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Tape driver behaviour in NS/I :-(( Message-ID: <CADBxv.K8p@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Keywords: Eminent: conspicuous; Imminent: likely to occur at any moment! Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <22b5st$geg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 16:17:57 GMT In article <22b5st$geg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: >Hi NeXTers, > >I got a brand new Sankyo CP 525 QIC-Streamer (up to 520 MB) for my >NS/Intel box. I made my first backup on a brand new cartrdige, >everything went fine. >But... > >- I cannot read any tape written from a different Unix (e.g. Linux, > Sun OS, ISC, ...) >- If the NS/I tape driver gets his hands on a tape that was ever > written from a different OS, he refuses to write on that tape > at all! No read, no write, no go :-(( > >All I get is "I/O error". >I do not want to buy new tapes just for this **** NS/I. >At least, NS/I can read its own backup tape. Wow... > >Any comments on this? I have a QIC-something tape drive hooked up to a NeXTstation and after everytime I reboot, I run the following program if I want to use the tapedrive: #include <sys/types.h> #include <nextdev/scsireg.h> main() { long l; l = 512; ioctl(1, MTIOCFIXBLK, &l); } NOTE: this program just does its stuff to stdout, so you need to compile it (I call it tapefix) and then run it with stdout redirected to your tape drive. For me the invocation is: # tapefix > /dev/nrst0 or maybe it's: # tapefix > /dev/rst0 I doubt that it matters which you do, but I seem to recall that last time I did this I had to run tapefix twice, but I don't remember why. I have no idea whether or not this will help Markus, but I doubt that it will hurt. I got the idea by perusing ".h" files and lo it worked for me. --Cliff[ord T. Matthews] ctm@ardi.com __________________ Executor on sale through August 31. Eminent death of the net predicted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: NeXT mail what options do I have? Message-ID: <1993Jul18.161914.4032@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <CA61Co.4q@news.iastate.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 16:19:14 GMT In article <CA61Co.4q@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) writes: [snip] -> just mail that file to yourself, either from the -> command line prompt> mail myself < name_of_file -> or else in Mail.app itself. -> -> [] -> []PS is this a FAQ? -> [] -> -> I'd say so. Hope this helps --- Tom If you use sendmail -bm -t as root instead of command-line mail, you should be able to preserve the originator's address for replys. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com Total System Software -- the authors of DFax for NEXTSTEP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gindling@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GINDLING JIM) Subject: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Message-ID: <gindling.742927707@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> Summary: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Keywords: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:48:27 GMT Does anybody happen to know if Next plans on porting it's NextStep operating system to PowerPC computers when they become available? Thanks in advance. Jim Gindling
From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/FIP can't see my CD_ROM Message-ID: <85792@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 93 11:11:49 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Yet another person with NS/FIP installation problems. (I've tried calling the NeXT support line, but so far haven't managed to talk to a human yet, just the answering machine.) I'm trying to install on a DELL 466M machine. I have an external CD-ROM drive plugged in as SCSI Id 0, which works fine under DOS, but the NS install program can't seem to see it (message "No CD-ROM drive found") I also seem to be getting some Objective-C runtime error messages from the install program (e.g. "configureDriver: Coulnd't find class named SMC16") The following are all the messages (that hadn't already scrolled off the screen) I got while trying to install: Resetting SCSI bus Registering: hc0 IDE drive 0 using MultiSector Mode Registering: hd0 Registering: hd0a hd0: no valid disk label hd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes hd0: Device Capacity: 432 Mb Registering fc0: Registering fd0: Registering fd0a: fd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes fd0: Device Capacity; 1440 Kb fd0: Disk Label: Install_3.1 class `SMC16' not linked into application configureDriver: Coulnd't find class named SMC16 class `EtherExpress16' not linked into application configureDriver: Couldn't find class named EtherExpress16 Registering: VGADisplay0 Registering: event0 Registering: kmDevice0 No CD-ROM drive found: use sd%d, hd%d, or fd%d root device? Anybody seen these messages before, or know what to do about them? Thanks, Lee Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: Thoughts on User3.1 for black hardware installation Message-ID: <1993Jul6.230851.306@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <thompsonC8rB83.2J3@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 23:08:51 GMT In article <thompsonC8rB83.2J3@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > - What is /cmos.ram? This file was created by SoftPC. I don't know what it mean exactly. -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Orlando / Winter Park, FL Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 14:43:06 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul18.144306.12462@bilver.uucp> References: <1993Jul15.214118.7950@sol.UVic.CA> <CA9HHI.152@ripple.uunet> In article <CA9HHI.152@ripple.uunet> df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: > >One thing, the Intel GX requires 72 pin x 70ns TIN leeds. >You can use gold. Since the SIMM sockets are tin, if you use gold and get >condenstation on the contacts... you get a battery! > >BTW: SIMM prices just went up again,... I'm getting a tad tired of these price >increases. You may be tired of the increases, but they are not going to stop going up for awhile. There was an explosion at a Japanese chemical plant last month. That plant supplied about 60% of the needs of the RAM industry. Until it gets rebuilt, or other sources come on line, prices are going to high and higher. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Help on Disk formmating in NeXT(black) Message-ID: <1993Jul19.012734.3833@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 01:27:34 GMT Hi, I have just upgraded to NS3.1 and I have no long be able to initialize Floppy. Is it a Bug? Is there any work around? I'm using a DIT external floppy at sd2. Even more: I also find that the MAC and DOS DISKs I put in becomes "OD" in my file browser. If I lock the disk, I will even get a CD ICON! What a surprise! If you put in the DOS/MAC disk, DO you get a DISK ICON out? I will summarize if I can get enough information. Thanks, Andy.
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXSystemFonts definition in X11 Date: 19 Jul 1993 01:41:01 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <22cu3d$11sr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I grabbed the X11 server off of foxtrot and it seems to have installed fine. However, whenever I start the X server (and two xterms), the following two messages get appened to /usr/adm/messages: syslog: Couldn't find default font for default NXSystemFonts syslog: Couldn't find default font for default NXBoldSystemFonts I have looked in my Next resources (thru dread -l) and my .Xdefaults file and I find no references to these fonts. I tried to make aliases to them in a fonts.alias (along with xset and mkfontdir etc) file and still no luck (xlsfonts would show font names nxsystemfonts and nxboldsystemfonts in all lowercase). The fonts on many applications seem screwed up when viewed on my NeXT. I checked the FAQs but couldn't find anything helpful. Anybody know how to correct this? Many thanks for any responses! - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: veum@nxttl.physics.missouri.edu (Eric L. Veum) Subject: McGill-X Package and SGI - Anyone have a .4Dwmrc file for it Message-ID: <1993Jul19.024220.26290@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 02:42:20 GMT I have the McGill-X package and I need to run it with a SGI. However, I need to rewrite the initialization file system.4Dwmrc and the personal file ~/.4Dwmrc so they work with the McGill X package w/o all those errors. Has anyone done this with this package?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software From: dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) Subject: NS Serial Port Drivers Message-ID: <CAE5ys.HFu@well.sf.ca.us> Keywords: Is there anybody home? Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 03:06:28 GMT Looking up from my Windows desktop and gazing over at my personal edition of the "$10,000 paperweight" as someome so succiently put it I look at the calendar and am struck with the thought: hey, there are only a very few days left in mid-July, gosh I guess that means NeXT will be coming out with the new serial port drivers ANY MINUTE NOW! Looking at some of the glossy, shiny and happy junk mail that NeXT keeps sending me, to let me know its doing JUST FINE!(tm), I find myself lulled into a happy, idiotic stupor and am nearly certain that NeXT really can do things and deliver what it promises without a fire lit under its ass. Although, I must surely admit, I just haven't seen it happen yet I guess, since as all the mail I've received has been mixed in content, but very straightforward in pointing out that this "new" OS I'm trying to use, was WRITTEN ON the machine I'm trying to use it with (a Dell DGX), and so NeXT has had roughly 2+ years to write a f--king serial port driver for this piece of junk. "Woops, heh heh, who would have thought someone would want to use a modem or a printer? Gosh Steve, back to the drawing board, and lets rip out the disk drives while we're at it" * ANY DECENT Modem use ....... WHEN, where are the drivers? PS: To the "helpful" people who suggest running the serial port at 9600 until the "new drivers that work" come out somewhere over the rainbow. Nice thought, except, it doesn't work either. ANY use of the serial ports at ANY speed crashes the machine. (Ok, so being honest I DIDN'T try 300 or 1200 baud ;-)
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: E-Mail address for NeXTWorld Date: 19 Jul 1993 03:34:27 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <22d4o3$fhe@news.acns.nwu.edu> Hi, I need to post a change of my address to the NeXTWorld Subscription. Does anybody know their E-mail address XXX.nextworld.com so that I can send my request over the E-Mail instead of U.S. Mail? Thanks -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: mike@media-lab.mit.edu (Michael Hawley) Subject: No sounds? Message-ID: <1993Jul19.035826.12270@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 03:58:26 GMT A friend's NeXT is acting up -- won't play any sounds. We have tried toggling the "mute" and adjusting the slider in Preferences to no avail. Any ideas?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: NS/FIP can't see my CD_ROM Message-ID: <1993Jul19.042345.20133@oneworld.wa.com> Organization: OneWorld Enterprises/OneWorld Computing Resources References: <85792@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 04:23:45 GMT This is exactly my problem as well but on a ZEOS computer. I'm using an NEC interset CD Drive. A very standard one. Any ideas/workarounds would be most appreciated. Charles W. Cooper II |OneWorld Enterprises | (206)453-8766 |OneWorld Computing Resources | - space for rent - (206)453-7083 fax/data |203 Bellevue Way N.E. STE 314 | charles@oneworld.wa.com |Bellevue, WA 98004 USA |
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tape driver behaviour in NS/I :-(( Message-ID: <139@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 19 Jul 93 05:45:46 GMT References: <22b5st$geg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. >- I cannot read any tape written from a different Unix (e.g. Linux, > Sun OS, ISC, ...) >- If the NS/I tape driver gets his hands on a tape that was ever > written from a different OS, he refuses to write on that tape > at all! No read, no write, no go :-(( > >All I get is "I/O error". >I do not want to buy new tapes just for this **** NS/I. >At least, NS/I can read its own backup tape. Wow... > >Any comments on this? >Help appreciated! I had exactly the same experiences --- /********************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 60 19 61 privat */ /* 07121 / 35-1341 geschaeftlich */ /* */ /* kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de */ /* */ /* Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. */ /* -- Salvor Hardin */ /* */ /********************************************************************/
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 01:01:34 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93200.010134U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel GX and Pentium Ready Systems For Sale References: <1993Jul16.223144.17582@ennews.eas.asu.edu> In article <1993Jul16.223144.17582@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, root@iienext1.eas.asu.edu (Operator) says: > >1) GX Prof Hires > 16 MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard and Mouse >Price = $4,685.00 > >2) GX Prof Hires > 16 MB RAM, 540 MB Hard Drive > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard and Mouse >Price = $5,520.00 >3) GX Prof Hires > 32MB RAM, 340 MB Hard Drive > Floppy, 2MB VRAM, SCSI Built-in > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard and Mouse >Price = $5,755.00 >4)Pentium Systems > Model LX and MX 64-bit Architecture > Now shipping with DX50 (Upgradable to Pentium) > 16MB RAM to 32MB RAM > 17" Mag Monitor > Keyboard Mouse >Price = $7,500.00 to $12,500.00 > >Buy now while prices are low..... These prices aren't _that_ low. You can get better deals on the Intels from Kris Magnusson at Alpine Computing/MicroAge in Salt Lake City. He's really easy to work with and he'll give you a lot more disk space for comparable $$. Just a satisfied customer! -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tape driver behaviour in NS/I :-(( Date: 19 Jul 1993 09:41:46 GMT Organization: OSF RI Grenoble Distribution: world Message-ID: <22dq8q$p1g@paperboy.osf.org> References: <22b5st$geg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <CADBxv.K8p@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Keywords: Eminent: conspicuous; Imminent: likely to occur at any moment! In article <CADBxv.K8p@cobra.cs.unm.edu>, ctm@ardi.com writes: |> In article <22b5st$geg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: |> >Hi NeXTers, |> > |> >I got a brand new Sankyo CP 525 QIC-Streamer (up to 520 MB) for my |> >NS/Intel box. I made my first backup on a brand new cartrdige, |> >everything went fine. |> >But... |> > |> >- I cannot read any tape written from a different Unix (e.g. Linux, |> > Sun OS, ISC, ...) |> > |> >All I get is "I/O error". |> > |> >Any comments on this? |> |> I have a QIC-something tape drive hooked up to a NeXTstation and after |> everytime I reboot, I run the following program if I want to use the |> tapedrive: You should put programs like this into /usr/local/bin and then invoke them from /etc/rc.local. I do this for 'setmtd' on the Moto hardware, which if I remember correctly, sets my Wangtek tapedrive to be a block rather than a character device (SCSI bus). David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Re: No sounds? Message-ID: <1993Jul19.074920.381@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Technologies Inc. References: <1993Jul19.035826.12270@news.media.mit.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 07:49:20 GMT Michael Hawley writes > A friend's NeXT is acting up -- won't play any sounds. > We have tried toggling the "mute" and adjusting the > slider in Preferences to no avail. Any ideas? Have you installed any software that makes use of the DSP lately? For instance, TTYDSP is a product that can "grab" the DSP to handle processing of the communication lines--effectively limiting a NeXT's sound playing capabilities. Just a thought... -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Technologies Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (S. Matis, 13th Generation) Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <CAF0CG.CCE@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Wolfnet References: <1262@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 14:02:39 GMT In article <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com> Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com writes: >I've had PasteUp for a while now. In my opinion, anyone who has a >use for this sort of application and doesn't take advantage of the >50% discount is making a real mistake. It's one of the nicest, >most polished products I've seen for the NeXT. Ditto. Plus the use of the markup codes allowed me to create nearlly unattended Text-to-Layout expansion. Neat ... when you are going to receive submissions from folks that only use terminals and such. Plus ... being able to place .ps files into the dopcument is a boon I discovered only from using. >-- > Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 > Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 > We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK >Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com S.I. Matis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: making gzip Message-ID: <YKIFB0BR@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 14:20:56 GMT Ed Faught (faught@berserk.ssc.gov) wrote: : In article <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed : Faught) writes: : Many of the people replying to the original post wanted to know more, so here's : what happens: [stuff deleted] : gzip.c:149: sys/file.h: No such file or directory : *** Exit 1 : Stop. I'm not sitting at my NeXT in the moment, but thats really a very simple one - just replace in gzip.c the <sys/file.h> by <bsd/sys/file.h> or whatever the correct path for file.h is (or was it ansi/sys ???) To find out start Librarian and search for file.h in the Headerfiles Selection. Or do a "find /usr/include -name file.h -print" or just look in the browser - if I'd sit at my machine I'd tell you the right place but I'm sure you'll find it. Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hac@nexus.inesc.pt (Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro) Subject: mh NeXT mailer : does it exist ? Message-ID: <HAC.93Jul19144514@nexus.inesc.pt> Sender: usenet@inesc.pt Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL Distribution: comp Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 13:45:14 GMT Hi NeXT'ers, Is there a mh mail reader for NeXT ? tks in adv, -- Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro @ INESC [Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores] CCAE [Centro de Comunicacoes em Ambientes Empresariais] Avenida Duque d'Avila 23, 1000 Lisboa, -PORTUGAL. Phone.: +351 1 3100070 Fax.: +351 1 3100008 e-mail: hac@inesc.pt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NS/FIP can't see my CD_ROM Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jul19.135915.15872@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 13:59:15 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <85792@cup.portal.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <85792@cup.portal.com>, Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes: |> |> I'm trying to install on a DELL 466M machine. I have an external |> CD-ROM drive plugged in as SCSI Id 0, which works fine under DOS, |> but the NS install program can't seem to see it (message "No |> CD-ROM drive found") Yup, seen this problem before, first thing, check SCSI termination. Is your CD-ROM terminated? (It should be) |> |> I also seem to be getting some Objective-C runtime error messages |> from the install program (e.g. "configureDriver: Coulnd't find |> class named SMC16") |> |> The following are all the messages (that hadn't already scrolled |> off the screen) I got while trying to install: |> |> Resetting SCSI bus |> Registering: hc0 |> IDE drive 0 using MultiSector Mode |> Registering: hd0 |> Registering: hd0a |> hd0: no valid disk label |> hd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes |> hd0: Device Capacity: 432 Mb |> Registering fc0: |> Registering fd0: |> Registering fd0a: |> fd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes |> fd0: Device Capacity; 1440 Kb |> fd0: Disk Label: Install_3.1 |> class `SMC16' not linked into application |> configureDriver: Coulnd't find class named SMC16 |> class `EtherExpress16' not linked into application |> configureDriver: Couldn't find class named EtherExpress16 |> Registering: VGADisplay0 |> Registering: event0 |> Registering: kmDevice0 |> No CD-ROM drive found: |> |> use sd%d, hd%d, or fd%d |> |> root device? |> |> Anybody seen these messages before, or know what to do about |> them? |> Well by the looks of it, you are very close to getting this thing to install. If like I mentioned above, SCSI termination isn't the problem, time to go chasing after the IRQ #'s. You're most likely your SCSI card isn't set up quite right. What are you using for a SCSI card? If you have an Adaptec card, I can help you. |> Thanks, |> Lee Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer and "From: " line problems Message-ID: <1993Jul19.114443.383@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <9307181546.AA00516@gerilla.tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:44:43 GMT In article <9307181546.AA00516@gerilla.tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> mgilula@gerilla.tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall Gilula) writes: -> ATTENTION: my header may be a bit FUBAR,... [snip] -> I went into my NewsGrazer app and found under -> Preferences, Post, that in the "From" window -> I have "gerilla.gerilla!mgilula(Marshall Gilula)" -> and that I am unable to remove this from the window -> by any means I know about. [snip] Open a terminal under the login-id used while reading news with NewsGrazer... on the version I'm using ( a few versions back :-) all it would take is... (all in one unbroken command...) dwrite NewsGrazer NewsGrazerFrom "mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall F. Gilula, M.D)" Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com Total System Software -- the makers of DFax
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Lightening Strikes Athena Design Date: 19 Jul 1993 15:24:24 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <22eeb8$mvi@hermes.athena.com> Howdy, The chances of being struck by lightening are better than winning the lottery. Athena Design was struck by lightening. It toasted our phone system, our fax machine, our 10 Base T hubs, and our NetInfo/File server. We recovered everything except the motherboard in the NetInfo/File server (a 25Mhz '040 Cube) is flaky. We are looking for an '040 motherboard with no RAM, but will settle for an '040 cube. Anybody have something to sell? Thanks. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Bill Roth <roth_bill@tandem.com> Subject: WANTED: 4 Meg 30-pin 100ns SIMMS Message-ID: <CAF4qp.HnH@tandem.com> Sender: news@tandem.com Organization: Tandem Computers Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 15:37:35 GMT Hi, I'm in the market for 4 Meg 30-pin 100ns SIMMs. If you have any your willing to part with let me know. Leave a message at 408-285-5412 or e-mail me. Bill Roth ==================================================== Bill Roth, Tandem Computers, roth_bill@tandem.com Cupertino, CA 95014
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaya@trystero.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) Subject: Re: NeXT Shirts Message-ID: <CA8K69.3os@trystero.com> Keywords: NeXT Organization: The Trystero System (617) 625-7155 v.32/v.42bis References: <1269@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 02:27:43 GMT In article <222cp2$rc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapmsd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matt Stephen DeBergalis) writes: >In article <1269@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) >writes: > >> If you mean the shirts with "NeXT" on them in Futura Condensed Extra >Bold >> with the "N" and "T" in gray (leaving the "eX" standing out in black), >> the way cool "eX NeXT" T-shirts, the answer is that we designed them, >and >> we sell them for only $15. Call us at the number below to get one >> in either L or XL. >> > >Well, I was actually referring to the white T-Shirt with the classic black >NeXT logo on the front. I guess they're not quite as funky. > >-matt debergalis I have heard that the Company Store (listed in the FAQ) sells items like that, along with NeXT turtlenecks, sweatshirts, mugs, and pencils. Now about the _other_ T-shirt - what about the funky _The_Object_is_the_ Advantage_ shirts with the building block logo? Anyone? -- kaya bekiroglu >|< "Help! I'm trapped in a computer factory!" kaya@trystero.com <|> "Then hit the 'escape' key, you fool!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Re: NS/FIP can't see my CD_ROM Message-ID: <1993Jul19.153927.15316@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science References: <1993Jul19.042345.20133@oneworld.wa.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 15:39:27 GMT Mine neither (EISA VLB/ATI VLB/3401B/DPT). Unfortunately, my unit was damaged by the package transport service and upon return at the supplier (which has to file suit) they found out that the cd drive was defective. So, now I don't know whether it was brooken in the first place (and the dpt controller couldn't find it), or some settings were wrong. Since more people have shared this agony this fault can not only be hardware related. Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: making gzip Message-ID: <ntomczak.743039733@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> <YKIFB0BR@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 23:55:33 GMT mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: >I'm not sitting at my NeXT in the moment, but thats really a very >simple one - just replace in gzip.c the <sys/file.h> by <bsd/sys/file.h> Arrgh!!!! Don't do that! The reason why system files are refered to by <sys/file.h>, and not by "/usr/include/bsd/sys/file.h", is that a properly configured compiler should take care about internal organization of system headers. Theoretically their layout should not be of any concern to you, unless you are installing a new compiler (this is not always attainable ideal :-)). If you want to see what your compiler is trying to include and why try to run a file with a contents like this: #include <sys/file.h> with 'cc -E -v <other flags>' redirecting output somewhere where it could be checked later. There is likely something screwy with your compilation flags, or file you want is nor really <sys/file.h> but <file.h> ("file" above is used a generic name). Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC References: <229hm1$858@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 01:38:07 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Jul19.013807.2831@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Denis LaFont writes You dreamed about Canon ? Sure it was a good thing... I know the japanese market a little, and the asian too. Canon can have a killer workstation, and take the lead in Japan... Then you would know that Fujitsu/Sun are the big fish in this (as yet) still small pond. You also know that Canon and Canon Hanbai also have some fundamental "future direction" questions to answer for themselves. Moving from black to white hardware is much easier on other shores than here. But Japanese are Japanese, and nothing will change... Not true. It's a question of perspective and timing. It is well- known here that things MUST change. At the low end of the WS market, Compaq and Dell are moving Pentium systems here well ahead of the major domestic PC manufacturers, and the price points are significant, but the market volume is small, and will remain so, for quite some time. At the high end, NEC's MIPS-based WS rollout is hard to resist for _domestic_ brand-name conscious corporate buyers, and Fujitsu's virtual exit from the mainframe market (they stopped buying IBM's OS) probably portends an enhanced emphasis on the SPARC WS market. Taken together, these elements make for a tight market entry that will take a lot more resources than Canon wants to put in place right now. That could change, but probably not at the speed we might hope for. Of course, don't forget what Will Durant once wrote: "Civilization exists by geological consent and is subject to change without notice." --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]t the market volume is small, and will remain so, for quite some time. At the high end, NEC's MIPS-based WS rollout is hard to resist for _domestic_ brand-name conscious
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisdom@netcom.com (Scott Wisdom) Subject: Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <wisdomCAF91D.GIB@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Jul15.194450.2412@qb.rhein-main.de> <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Jul16.162102.5050@resonex.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 17:10:24 GMT In article <1993Jul16.162102.5050@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >The Indy system is not SO-LOW-COST as it looks at the first glance. >The system priced <$5000 does not include hard disk and has only low resolution >monitor. In addition (I *THINK*) the 24bit color is virtual, ala the original indigo. What you get on screen is an x bit (where x may = 8 bit) dithered version of the actual 24 bit image. In addition, I'm pretty sure there is no graphics hardware for fast 3D graphics. I'm not saying that this isn't a great system (it blows the socks off a NeXTStation). First of all, for more $$ you can get 24 bit color, and for even more $$ you can probably expand it to various levels of hardware assisted 3D graphics performance (though even the in-software graphics pipeline is WAY WAY faster than anyhting you can get out of an '040 or 486, and probably significantly better than anything you can get out of current Pentium systems). The thing to remember is that getting the base system above is like buying a luxury car, just to find out that the seats are plastic, the engine is a four-banger, and the wheels are optional equipment. Yes, you can buy the extras to make it a NICE car, but it WILL cost you extra (but BOY, can you sure make it a NICE NICE car!). As far as a NeXTSTEP port, it would probably be MUCH easier than the 486/Pentium port, because there isn't a jillion different video cards, i/o cards, etc.. The bottleneck might be the vast multitude of graphics hardware which may be running on the system - if NeXTSTEP is to support the SGI graphics hardware through QucikRenderman. Does anyone know if there is some sort of standardized front end to the pipline for the different graphics engines (that NeXT could use)? -SW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) Subject: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 18:41:06 GMT Organization: Washington & Lee University What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? -- Tim Murdoch Assistant Prof. of Math e-mail: murdoch@wlu.edu Washington and Lee Univ. phone: (703) 463-5045 Lexington VA 24450
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1273@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 19 Jul 93 18:40:56 GMT References: <93198.002523U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com U54876@uicvm.uic.edu writes > In article <1993Jul16.153055.404@Happy-Man.com>, irving@Happy-Man.com > (Irving_Wolfe) says: > > > >I've had PasteUp for a while now. In my opinion, anyone who has a > >use for this sort of application and doesn't take advantage of the > >50% discount is making a real mistake. It's one of the nicest, > >most polished products I've seen for the NeXT. > >-- > > Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 > > I'm really confused. I am dying to purchase a page layout app for my machine, > this deal is terrific, but I'm getting conflicting reports about PasteUp. > Everyone can read the above glowing praise for PU (I probably shouldn't use > that abbreviation), but I've heard strong negative comments also. The one > that stands out in particular in my recollection is the statement that: > "PasteUp is useless for anything more than 1 page layouts." This comment was > backed by the fact that PasteUp crashed every time my friend attempted to > change something in a two (or more) page layout and then save it. When he > attempted to reopen the document, it was a garbage file. > I am not trying to start inciteful rumors against PasteUp or RightBrain - I > really like their products and the presence of their company in the NeXT > universe. I also _really_ want to buy PasteUp. However, even the great prices > can't justify purchasing a product that won't do what it says it should do. > I'll stick with Virtuoso for 1-page layouts if this is the case. (Now there's > a hot/exciting/polished product - and in version 1.0 no less!) I'd like to address your concerns. First, it is certainly true that PasteUp has had a few problems, some crasher bugs, and some, well, bugs. It is a very complex piece of code, and there have been some bugs in it. We're not happy about that, but it seems to be the norm for page layout apps (anybody remember Quark and PageMaker early releases? :-). The main thing that I'd like to emphasize is that we are working very hard and continuously to address any problems that people find in the product, and we maintain it rigorously. We have been known to do maintenance releases for a single bug for some customers. PasteUp 2.0 is a very solid product, and is getting better every day. We recently found a pathological "recompute" situation that caused text editing to be slow; fixing it (by deleting some code!) caused about a 5x speedup for some operations. Second is the "long document" issue. PasteUp has no problems with what I would call "medium-sized" documents, around 30-50 pages. If you get to several hundred pages, it drags quite noticeably. But our customers routinely prepare 30-50 page documents, manuals, brochures, and other many-page documents with no problems. Since we don't currently support automatic generation of tables of contents, indices, or cross references, it's a bit more work to produce something like a manual, but people are doing it, and PasteUp is definitely up to the task. Our 2.0 version is significantly better than the 1.1 version, and we've already fixed some minor things and phased in the performance improvements that I just mentioned into the "Edit 42" maintenance release, which we're sending to new customers as the current version. In response to the concerns you've raised, I've put up a copy of PasteUp on the "sonata.cc.purdue.edu" FTP server in the pub/next/submissions directory. The file name is "PasteUp.tar.Z" and it's binary. The demo will run for 10 minutes, or you can call or Email us for a temporary key that will enable it for a bit longer if you want to put it through its paces. This demo copy is Motorola only; the fat version is quite a bit bigger and inconvenient for us to upload. To paraphrase Ford, "Have you driven PasteUp lately?" Give it a try. I think you'll like it. And if you want to take advantage of our 50% off sale, hurry, because it's only through the end of the month. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fugue!william (William Wei) Subject: testing software Message-ID: <1993Jul19.200425.2570@imagine.com> Sender: william@imagine.com Organization: Imagine Multimedia, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI, USA Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 20:04:25 GMT Does anyone know any testing software that allow me to do progression tests as batch jobs? It has to handle NEXTSTEP apps' GUI EVENT. I'm looking for all kinds of testing solutions for NEXTSTEP apps. Thanks William -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ |William Wei Imagine Multimedia | | | |Ann Arbor, Michigan william@imagine.com |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <abellCAFFwt.921@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 19:38:52 GMT tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: >What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea Why? Isn't that what you expected? Steve abell@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Better Grays out of the NLP Message-ID: <CAFJp2.AKz@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 21:00:36 GMT Has anyone come up with a way to get nicer looking grayscales out of the NeXT Laser Printer? The Default ones look like crud, the dots in the half-tone patterns are huge-ola. shrug, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: LOUDER...LOUDER... ::
From: sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <SANCHEZP.93Jul19141454@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> Date: 19 Jul 93 21:14:54 GMT References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group In-reply-to: tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu's message of 19 Jul 93 18:41:06 GMT In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? -- Tim Murdoch In NS3.1 I get... Correction? newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea That's pretty weird, all right. --paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: SGI's new GUI Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 21:26:15 GMT Message-ID: <CA6BJs.93u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <221f7r$s86@news.u.washington.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: Silicon Graphics, GUI, NeXT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana > Crossposted from comp.sys.sgi.announce (And since cross-posted from sci.virtual-worlds) Looks like the SGI port of NeXTSTEP has sort of occurred... > SILICON GRAPHICS CREATES KEY TO INTERACTIVE MEDIA REVOLUTION WITH > INDIGO MAGIC USER ENVIRONMENT > > Next-Generation Interface Gives Users Easy Access To Power of ^^^^ > Interactive Digital Technologies > > MOUNTAIN VIEW, California (July 12, 1993) -- Silicon Graphics, Inc. > (NYSE: SGI) today introduced the Indigo Magic(tm) user environment, > the industry's most powerful and intuitive user interface that defines > how users will soon interact with home digital technologies. With > Indigo Magic, technical and non-technical users can not only manage > computer tasks more simply, but also easily manipulate everyday media, > such as speech, music, video and pictures. The environment surpasses > existing graphical user interfaces, combining the most extensive use of > icons with full access to the digital media power of Silicon > Graphics(r) systems, creating the first Media User Interface. > > The Indigo Magic user environment will first be available with > Indy(tm), Silicon Graphics' new desktop computer. Bundled with Indigo > Magic and its own digital color video camera and starting at $4995, > Indy packs more interactive media, visual computing and workgroup > collaboration capabilities into a PC-priced system than any other > computer in history. The combination of Indy and the new Indigo Magic > interface gives users and developers access to technologies that will > soon become standard for both professional and home use. > > Indigo Magic incorporates point-and-click and drag-and-drop actions, as > well as extensive icons that represent files, networked computers, > peripherals -- even people on the network. These icons actively > monitor whatever they represent, and change their appearance > accordingly. For example, the CD player icon will change depending on > the type of media inserted -- such as software, audio or PhotoCD(tm) - > and when double clicked, will launch the appropriate application. > > Breakthrough communication capabilities in the Indigo Magic user > environment are provided through an integrated suite of digital media > editors, viewers and players. These tools provide simple capture and > editing facilities for audio, video, images, and 2D and 3D graphics. > The Indigo Magic Showcase(tm) presentation package enables users at any > skill level to compose on-line interactive documents and presentations > that incorporate these media types. The media mailfeature provides > electronic distribution of messages with integrated digital media. > > A key component of the new interface is the Indigo Magic "desk", which > allows users to build multiple desktop environments, organized by task > and customized to the user's specific workstyle. This capability lets > users group task-related files and applications such as product design > or financial analysis onto different desktops that can be stowed and > retrieved with the click of a mouse button. Even when iconified, desks > can be viewed and customized. Additional features of the new interface > are point-and-click software installation, and printing that involves > merely dragging and dropping a file onto the printer icon. > > Indigo Magic Insight,(tm) the on-line document and help system, > supports the integration of media and text with full-color graphics, > audio, and video. The document viewer provides on-demand informa-tion > from an expanding collection of end-user, administration and > programming manuals. > > The Indigo Magic user environment's integrated capabilities provide > users with: > o Organizational tools, such as customized "desks" > o Simplified visual system management, including software > installation, archival and restore > o Enterprise-wide search and find capabilities to locate > people, machines,devices and files anywhere on the network > o Access to peripherals from the desktop, such as "drag > and drop" printing > o Macintosh(r) and PC connectivity for read and write of > Mac(tm) or PC formatted floppy disks > o Digital media creation, editing and communication. > > Silicon Graphics also provides an extensive set of software development > tools that allow applications developers to integrate their software > into the Indigo Magic environment. The Indigo Magic user environment > will ship initially in the third quarter of 1993 on the Indy system, > and will be bundled on Silicon Graphics' full line of RISC-based > workstations in the first quarter of 1994. > > - > > Silicon Graphics, IRIS and the Silicon Graphics logo are registered > trademarks, and Indy, Indigo, Indigo Magic, Insight and Showcase are > trademarks, of Silicon Graphics, Inc. MIPS is a registered trademark of > MIPS Technologies, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX Systems > Laboratories, Inc. Macintosh and Mac are trademarks of Apple Computer > Corp. PhotoCD is a trademark of Eastman Kodak Company. Indigo Magic > media mail is based on Z-Mail(tm), a product of Z-Code Inc. > > > Marc Mengel > mengel@fnal.fnal.gov > > > [MODERATOR'S NOTE: Commercial postings are offered on sci.virtual- > worlds as a public service. Their appearance here does not > necessarily indicate endorsement by the moderators or by the USENET or > its administrators. -- Bob Jacobson]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul19.215712.24353@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 21:57:12 GMT In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > > What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? > -- > Tim Murdoch > Assistant Prof. of Math e-mail: murdoch@wlu.edu > Washington and Lee Univ. phone: (703) 463-5045 > Lexington VA 24450 Here's what I get... Correction? newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea ?? huh ?? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "For I am a Bear of Very Department of Radiology Little Brain, and University of Alberta Hospitals long words bother me." Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Winnie the Pooh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Thoughts on "Indy" (was Re: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 19:22:38 GMT Message-ID: <CAFF5r.8I6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <wisdomCAF91D.GIB@netcom.com> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana In article <wisdomCAF91D.GIB@netcom.com> wisdom@netcom.com (Scott Wisdom) writes: > In article <1993Jul16.162102.5050@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: > >The Indy system is not SO-LOW-COST as it looks at the first glance. > >The system priced <$5000 does not include hard disk and has only low resolution > >monitor. > > In addition (I *THINK*) the 24bit color is virtual, ala the original indigo. > What you get on screen is an x bit (where x may = 8 bit) dithered version of > the actual 24 bit image. In addition, I'm pretty sure there is no graphics > hardware for fast 3D graphics. Yes, it's dithered 8-bit, and yes, there's no hardware Z-buffer (according to the traffic in c.s.sgi.hardware and .misc). I'm getting promo lit, I'll post summaries when I get 'em. [some munchage for brevity] > The thing to remember is that getting the base system above is like buying > a luxury car, just to find out that the seats are plastic, the engine is a > four-banger, and the wheels are optional equipment. Yes, you can buy the extras > to make it a NICE car, but it WILL cost you extra (but BOY, can you sure make > it a NICE NICE car!). This is indeed true, and Indy is supposed to be binary-compatible with the entire SGI line, right on up to the Onyx rockets; so you can develop things and later run them on some maximum hardware. HOWEVER... 1) there was an estimate in one of the SGI newsgroups within the last few days for a "usable" Indy system: (bear with me, I'm quoting from memory) base Indy system + 24-bit color, 32MB RAM, 1.2GB HD, 19" monitor = $11,500. Much less than what NeXTdimensions went for new, I think, but not cheap, either. I don't know if the "Indy Video" board is included in that estimate (no video out?). 2) If you think NeXTSTEP apps are costly, try pricing GL apps. Again, lots of nifty tools are bundled, and this is great (I want to try the games on the free demo CD!!!), and there's apparently lots of PD apps and applets out there, but beyond that the costs balloon. (I'm not speaking from direct experience, but I was at the SGI Expo in San Jose in May, just before the NWE :-)). Some 3D graphics software retails in the <$10K range. 3) there are apparently yearly maintenance fees and software licenses to be considered as well: one figure mentioned was up to 10% of the purchase price! This suggests to me (and I'm willing to be convinced) that entering the SGI world is still prohibitively expensive for individuals, whereas the NeXT world is approachable - even the fabled NeXTdimensions can be had with some strain. Nevertheless, if you have the cash, a 100 MHz CPU is more better than a 33Mhz one! I certainly wouldn't turn one away if offered! > As far as a NeXTSTEP port, it would probably be MUCH easier than the 486/Pentium > port, because there isn't a jillion different video cards, i/o cards, etc.. The > bottleneck might be the vast multitude of graphics hardware which may be running > on the system - if NeXTSTEP is to support the SGI graphics hardware through > QucikRenderman. Does anyone know if there is some sort of standardized front > end to the pipline for the different graphics engines (that NeXT could use)? As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, SGI's new GUI sounds very NeXTSTEP-like. (Imitation as the sincerest form of flattery?) This might be a strong disincentive to port NeXTSTEP, especially since SGI claims that they will be adding the Indigo Magic environment to their entire line next year. All the above my $0.02 worth, as usual. > -SW Steve Weintz University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (which I don't speak for) NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1274@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 19 Jul 93 21:59:55 GMT References: <1273@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Glenn Reid writes > In response to the concerns you've raised, I've put up a copy of PasteUp > on the "sonata.cc.purdue.edu" FTP server in the pub/next/submissions > directory. The file name is "PasteUp.tar.Z" and it's binary. Sorry to follow up to my own post. I can't seem to get the file uploaded successfully to sonata, so instead I've uploaded it to "cs.orst.edu". Sorry about the inconvenience. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Date: 19 Jul 1993 23:04:46 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <22f9ae$aud@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <SANCHEZP.93Jul19141454@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> In article <SANCHEZP.93Jul19141454@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) writes: > In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> > tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > > What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? > -- > Tim Murdoch > I get the same thing on NS2.1 -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Nature is a place filled with gravity..." -- Newsweek
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Date: 19 Jul 1993 23:12:39 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <22f9p7$b0f@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <22f9ae$aud@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> In article <22f9ae$aud@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > In article <SANCHEZP.93Jul19141454@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> > sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) writes: > > In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> > > tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > > > > What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? > > -- > > Tim Murdoch > > > I get the same thing on NS2.1 > > -- > David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu > "Nature is a place filled with gravity..." -- Newsweek (Ooops, deleted too much from the previous message)... I mean, I get the: Correction? newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea statement in Webster under NS2.1 also -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths (in response to a NeXT advocate on c.s.n.m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: PhotoCD's & NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jul19.230844.12657@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 23:08:44 GMT In article <1993Jul16.144542.15494@wri.com> Jeff Adams writes: > I personally think PhotoAlbum.app left out one major feature which I > was really hoping they would add. > > Namely, the ability to crop a photo at a smaller size and then only load in the > cropped image when you switch to one of the larger photo sizes. > > You really need this if you want to look at parts of the largest image size > without having 30-40 Megs necessary to load the entire image. > Good point. Actually, a friend and I were just saying the other day that if you have enough memory, you can now build Deckard's photo viewer from Bladerunner... If PhotoAlbum.app doesn't do what you want, it's easy enough to use the code Hadmut wrote (that several people have worked on NeXT front ends for) to do what you want. Tests friends and I have done showed no difference (correcting for gamma) between images grabbed using Hadmut's code and images grabbed using PhotoAlbum.app (which uses "blessed" Kodak code). Just think, use Simon Says to control the app you wrote, and you *really* could make Deckard's photo viewer... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lettau@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Martin Lettau) Subject: NextStep on UltraStor 34F and Viper Message-ID: <1993Jul20.003559.25901@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 00:35:59 GMT Hi folks, I intend to purchase a Micron EISA-VESA 486/66 machine. They ship it with a UltraStor 34F controller and a Diamond Viper card. UltraStor said that they are currently developing drivers for NextStep. Are there any drivers for the Viper? And can I run NextStep without specific drivers for the controller? How is your experience with the Viper? Are 16mb enough to run at reasonable speed? Does the academic version include TeX, C-compiler and Mathematica? Thank's for any input you might have. Since I want to purchase the machine very soon, I'd appreciate any fast replies. Martin Lettau ==================================================================== Department of Economics e-mail: lettau@phoenix.princeton.edu Princeton University phone : (609) 258-4806 Princeton, NJ 08544 fax : (609) 258-6419
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dabbah@tron.bwi.wec.com (Albert Dabbah) Subject: Re: Help on Disk formmating in NeXT(black) Message-ID: <1993Jul20.040428.16241@tron.bwi.wec.com> Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation, Baltimore MD. References: <1993Jul19.012734.3833@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 04:04:28 GMT In article <1993Jul19.012734.3833@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > >Hi, > >I have just upgraded to NS3.1 and I have no long be able to initialize >Floppy. Is it a Bug? Is there any work around? I'm using a DIT external >floppy at sd2. > >Even more: >I also find that the MAC and DOS DISKs I put in becomes "OD" in my file >browser. If I lock the disk, I will even get a CD ICON! What a surprise! > >If you put in the DOS/MAC disk, DO you get a DISK ICON out? > >I will summarize if I can get enough information. > >Thanks, >Andy. I have the same problems, but with a TEAC SCSI floppy drive. I have been able to format DOS and MAC disks, but Next disk are a problem. A work around (?) is to use the disk utility as follows ... disk /dev/rsd1a # enter command and wait for panel to insert disk name: TEAC FC-1 JHF 11 disk type: removable_rw_scsi Disk utility disk> init # enter this command DESTROYS ALL EXISTING DISK DATA -- really initialize? y enter host name: endore enter disk label: testdisk device = /dev/rsd1a block size = 512 capacity = 1 MBytes Disk Format in progress... ***Format Complete*** writing disk label Boot block is "/usr/standalone/boot", ok? n Boot block: Boot block is "", ok? y Writing creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd1a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd1a setting optimization for space with minfree less than 10 /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd1a 1392 9 2 8192 1024 16 0 5 2048 s Warning: 12 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rsd1a: 1392 sectors in 78 cylinders of 2 tracks, 9 sectors 1.4Mb in 5 cyl groups (16 c/g, 0.29Mb/g, 64 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b#) at: 16, 320, 592, 896, 1168, initialization complete disk> eject disk> quit that's it, but does it work?
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help on Disk formmating in NeXT(black) Date: 20 Jul 1993 05:27:40 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: usa Message-ID: <22fvocINNf5b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Jul19.012734.3833@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <1993Jul20.040428.16241@tron.bwi.wec.com> In article <1993Jul20.040428.16241@tron.bwi.wec.com> dabbah@tron.bwi.wec.com (Albert Dabbah) writes: > I have the same problems, but with a TEAC SCSI floppy drive. I have > >been able to format DOS and MAC disks, but Next disk are a problem. > >A work around (?) is to use the disk utility as follows ... > > [workaround deleted] > >that's it, but does it work? Yesss!! Thanks for the post. I erroneously reasoned that Workspace Manager used "disk", so I expected the same problems to occur if I had used "disk" from a shell command-line. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: making gzip Message-ID: <1993Jul20.084743.18989@csus.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> <22b52a$ok8@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 08:47:43 GMT In article <22b52a$ok8@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: >Add a -D_POSIX_SOURCE. Bad advice! You should NEVER attempt to define _POSIX_SOURCE, __STRICT_BSD__, etc. yourself. These are set automatically when certain compiler options are used, and treating them as anything other than read- only will cause inconsistent (and incorrect) behavior. Followups to c.s.n.p. -=EPS=- ------- Unofficial fix for gzip-1.2.3 *** Makefile.in.orig Thu Jun 24 04:51:47 1993 --- Makefile.in *************** *** 174,179 **** --- 174,197 ---- $(MAKE) all OBJA=match.o DEFS=\ "-DASMV -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DDIRENT=1" + # NeXT 2.x, 3.0, 3.1 thin + next: + $(MAKE) default ZCAT=gzcat CFLAGS="-O -bsd" \ + DEFS="-DASMV -DNO_STDLIB_H=1 -DNO_STRING_H -DNO_UTIME_H=1 -DSYSDIR=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=int" + + # NeXT 3.1 fat + next-fat: + $(MAKE) default ZCAT=gzcat OBJA=match-fat.o \ + CFLAGS="-O -bsd -fno-builtin -arch m68k -arch i386" \ + DEFS="-DASMV -DNO_STDLIB_H=1 -DNO_STRING_H -DNO_UTIME_H=1 -DSYSDIR=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=int" + + match-fat.o: match.S + cat $(srcdir)/match.S > _match.s + $(CC) -arch m68k -arch i386 -c _match.s + mv _match$O match-fat.o && touch @OBJA@ + rm -f _match.s + + #### End of specific targets section. #### install: installdirs installbin installman
Control: cancel <1993Jul20.012655.4667@leeweyr.sccsi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@leeweyr.sccsi.com (Bill Lee) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Jul20.012655.4667@leeweyr.sccsi.com> Message-ID: <1993Jul20.012752.4724@leeweyr.sccsi.com> Sender: bill@leeweyr.sccsi.com (Bill Lee) Organization: Lee Aerie References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> <1993Jul20.012655.4667@leeweyr.sccsi.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 01:27:52 GMT <1993Jul20.012655.4667@leeweyr.sccsi.com> was cancelled from within trn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 12:47:30 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul20.124730.28995@cyantic.com> References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > >What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? The answer is: newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea Honest :-) -- Mark T. Dornfeld, CYANTIC Systems Voice: (416) 234-9048 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9B 6K4 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: The Second Annual Mesa Party Date: 20 Jul 1993 14:14:21 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <22gujt$1k3@hermes.athena.com> Hello, On August 4, 1992, Athena Design released Mesa. In the year since its introduction, Athena Design has upgraded Mesa 5 times adding new features such as 3D graphs, a BASIC-like scripting language, Palletized spreadsheet and graph objects, SQL database access and manipulation, and more. Athena Design has shown its commitment to NEXTSTEP by shipping Mesa as the first available NS/Intel application. Mesa is now the best-selling spreadsheet for NEXTSTEP and it's time to kick back, and throw a party! On Wednesday, August 4, 1993, at 7pm, the Second Annual We Really Did It: Mesa Release Party will commence. It will be at the Athena Design offices at 17 Saint Mary's Court, Boston. Please come. Please bring friends. We will have food, beverages, and fun. Please celebrate with us. Please RSVP to party@athena.com or call 617.734.6372 (MESA). Thanks and we'll see you there! David Directions: T (Subway for non-Bostonians): Take the MBTA Green "C" line to the Saint Mary's Street stop. This is the first above-ground stop on the "C" line. Get off the T and walk across Beacon street. The first street on your right is Saint Mary's Street. Walk down Saint Mary's street until you get to the first alley on your left. Walk down the alley. 17 Saint Mary's Court is the second red door on the right. Car: Saint Mary's Street is on the Boston-Brookline border on the 1000 block of Beacon Street. Drive outbound from Kenmore Square. Cross over the Mass Pike. Find parking after the first set of lights after you cross the Mass Pike. Saint Mary's Street is the first right after this set of lights. See above directions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: me@next45.wsi.physik.tu-muenchen.de(Matthias Rosenberger) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul20.143311.7348@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) References: <1993Jul20.124730.28995@cyantic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 14:33:11 GMT In article <1993Jul20.124730.28995@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > > > >What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? > > The answer is: > > newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea > > Honest :-) > -- Searching by full name, i get the same as posted above; but searching by prefix I get: Biographical Names: Neilon \'nee)l-sen\ William Allan 1869-1946 Am. (Scot -born) educ.; pres. Smith College (1917-39) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Matthias Rosenberger, Walter Schottky Institut, TU Muenchen email: me@next45.wsi.physik.tu-muenchen.de > > newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea > > Honest :-) > -- Searching by full name, i get the same as posted above; but searching by prefix I get: Biographical Names: Neilon \'nee)l-sen\ William Allan 1869-1946 Am. (Scot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul20.062521.29737@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 06:25:21 GMT tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: >What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? >-- I think I get the same thing in NS3.1. Search for "newyorkcof" and you get a long list. Anyone with an explaination? Kirk Haller haller@math.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul20.063039.29868@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> <abellCAFFwt.921@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 06:30:39 GMT abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: >tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: >>What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? >newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea >Why? Isn't that what you expected? >Steve abell@netcom.com If you change preferences to search by prefix rather than by word, you find that "newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea" is short for New York C. of Environmental Science and Forestry, State U. of Syracuse I have noted that the word search preference occasionally give some strange results, but that was kind of humorous. Kirk Haller haller@math.wisc.edu
From: cmc@ltp.bcm.tmc.edu (Costa Colbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dimming Display on Cube Date: 20 Jul 1993 14:24:12 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Distribution: world Message-ID: <22gv6c$e87@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> The display on my cube at work is getting dimmer by the week. Can the monitors be fixed ? By whom ? How much ? Can you do it yourself ? This may be a FAQ by now. Sorry if it is... Costa Colbert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: trouble Installing on Gateway Message-ID: <1993Jul20.101032.1006@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 10:10:32 GMT We are trying to install NEXTSTEP on a Gateway 4DX2-66V with a microsoft mouse on com1 irq4, and have ran into a snag. We fixxed the keyboard jumber and booted off the floppy just fine. It loaded the sytem on the harddisk and rebooted. While it was rebooting it said somthing to the effect that it was probing for the mouse and didn't find it. It then came all the way up to the panal that asks what kind of machine you have, but we had no mouse or keboard. If you boot in single user mode, in UNIX, we can use the keyboard, but one we get up in NEXTSTEP it doesnt work any more. ANY IDEAS!!!!
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis Lafont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC Date: 20 Jul 1993 14:54:38 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <22h0ve$7sh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> > You dreamed about Canon ? Sure it was a good thing... > > I know the japanese market a little, and the asian too. > > Canon can have a killer workstation, and can take the lead in Japan... > >>Then you would know that Fujitsu/Sun are the big fish in this (as yet) >>still small pond. You also know that Canon and Canon Hanbai also have >>some fundamental "future direction" questions to answer for themselves. >>Moving from black to white hardware is much easier on other shores >>than here. Yes , you are right... What I want to show is that a lot of NeXTSTEP addicts like us usually say: "Canon is a major player for NeXTSTEP, etc, etc..." No. Canon is not. Dell is not (Dell is selling pre-installed Solaris PC). HP is not. If NeXTSTEP can win, it is not thanks to others. NeXTSTEP must be aggressively market, and NeXT, and only NeXT must do the job. They lost the hardware market because of this lack of marketing (in europe). It will be probably the same with the hardware in Japan, and with the software in Europe and (maybe) in the us. Thanks, Denis -- _________________________________________________________________ Denis LAFONT, Software Engineer e-mail : cs438@cleveland.freenet.edu -no NeXT Mail please ;-(- Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed are mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <119@promiga.win.net> From: mstilt@promiga.win.net (Matt Stiltner) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 03:56:38 GMT Subject: Nextstep/Intel - What do I need, FAQ I'm looking to get Nextstep 486. 1. Does NeXT have the $299 deal for NEXTSTEP 486 3.1 still? End of July is deadline I heard. If so is it upgradeable? 2. How much space would the standard install take? I'm not interested in programming it yet. This is a list of my current hardware Zeos 486/DX2-66 16MB RAM 340MB IDE HD Diamond Speed Star Pro VL-BUS Can someone point me to a FAQ that will answer questions regarding supported hardware? I know I will have to replace my graphics card, add memory, add CD-ROM, add SCSI before I can use it. ________________________________________________________________________ Matt Stiltner Internet: mstilt@promiga.win.net Toledo, OH CIS UserID: 72212,3573 419.691.0169 Just say no to MicroSoft
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul20.173001.21432@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 17:30:01 GMT References: <1993Jul20.063039.29868@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Organization: Washington & Lee University Kirk Haller (haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu) wrote: : abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: : >tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: : >>What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? : >newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea : >Why? Isn't that what you expected? : >Steve abell@netcom.com : If you change preferences to search by prefix rather than by word, you find : that "newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea" is short for : New York C. of Environmental Science and Forestry, State U. of Syracuse : I have noted that the word search preference occasionally give some strange : results, but that was kind of humorous. : Kirk Haller : haller@math.wisc.edu After changing preferences to prefix, search on "neil again. What do you get? -- Tim Murdoch Assistant Prof. of Math e-mail: murdoch@wlu.edu Washington and Lee University phone: (703) 463-8810 Lexington VA 24450
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) Subject: listserver for NeXT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 17:50:07 GMT Message-ID: <CAH5JK.9FJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I've been trying, without much luck, to compile listserver6.0 on my NeXTStation. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has done so successfully. I'd like to see your Makefile. -- =============================================================================== Hector Mandel, CHP (217) 244-7237 |E-mail: h-mandel@uiuc.edu Head, Health Physics Section |Snail mail: 101 S. Gregory St. Division of environmental Health and Safety | Urbana, IL 61801 ===============================================================================
From: brani@isds.duke.edu (Brani Vidakovic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP on ZENON? Keywords: ZENON, Mathematica Message-ID: <17937@news.duke.edu> Date: 20 Jul 93 17:44:59 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Dear NeXT Netters, Did anybody ported NS/Intel to Zenon (ZDream III) machine? I plan to do so, and any word of advice is welcome. The machine: Intel 486-66//16MB Ram// 520Mb Scsi2//Viper. I would like to buy MATHEMATICA 2.X with NeXT front end. Does it work under NS? Anybody selling? Thanks, Brani
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP on ZENON? Date: 20 Jul 1993 13:59:09 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Message-ID: <22hmat$eaj@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> References: <17937@news.duke.edu> Keywords: ZENON, Mathematica >Dear NeXT Netters, > >Did anybody ported NS/Intel to >Zenon (ZDream III) machine? >I plan to do so, and any word of >advice is welcome. I investigated and the scsi that comes with this machine is not compatible with the supported adaptec boards. Thus if you buy this machine you'd need to buy a separate scsi board. -nick
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain Sale: 50% off through July (RTF) * * * Message-ID: <1276@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 20 Jul 93 20:38:22 GMT References: <1273@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Several of you have sent mail saying that the 10-minute demo period is too short. Here is a key that will enable the product through the end of the month for anybody who wants to try it out (it's on "cs.orst.edu" under pub/next/submissions): 18A9-268F-7D68-3D96-203F Also, one slightly non-obvious thing without the manual is that the text tool creates two different kinds of text blocks depending on whether you just click once or click and drag to form a rectangle. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mcmahon@ny.shl.com (Michael McMahon) Subject: Career Opportunity - Systemhouse seeks Object Oriented professional. Message-ID: <CAHI8t.Mx8@ny.shl.com> Keywords: jobs, offered, wanted Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 22:24:28 GMT Systemhouse, a $800 million Systems Integration firm, is recognized as the industry leader in client/server technology. Systemhouse employs over 4,000 people worldwide and maintains a large heterogeneous network of workstations including more than 100 NeXT machines. We are putting together the best NeXT expertise available. Since November we have hired a core group in New York and Boulder, Colorado, and by September expect to be up to a staff of approximately 100. We are executing concepts that others are still only talking about - Reusable Object Library - Standard Certification of Objects - Distributed Development - etc. Furthermore we have established an Object Technology Center(OTC) for applied Object Oriented methodologies and development techniques. The OTC in Boulder, is a research and development facility exploring the cutting edge of the relatively new object technology. The charter of the Center is two-fold: to explore and understand all hardware and software related to the object-oriented development industry; and to establish itself as a focal point where companies in diverse verticals markets can join together to leverage OTC's research and experience. Leading the OTC is Vince Jordan, recently of WilTel Advanced Technology Center and recognized in the NeXT community as a pacesetter in the object-oriented development revolution. We need bright, enthusiastic experienced people!!! The following opportunities exist in various U.S. locations: - Object Oriented Programmers (Position C101) * 2+ years Object Oriented Programming (C++/Objective C/SmallTalk) * 2+ years database design and database applications * 5 years UNIX/C application development * 2+ years RDBMS (SYBASE preferred) * 1+ years NeXTSTEP applications development * AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD * GUI and Porting experience - Senior Applications Development Engineers (Position C102) * 5-7 years UNIX/C applications development * Financial trading applications * 1+ years NeXT/NeXTSTEP/AppKit/DBKit/Objective C * Sun, SYBASE/C++ a plus - Software Engineers (Position C103) * NeXT/UNIX application software development * Strong NeXTSTEP, AppKit, Interface Builder, DBKit * High level design, rapid prototyping in NeXT * Strong Objective C or C++ * 3 to 5 years experience - Database Specialists (Position C104) * 3+ years database design and database applications development (ORACLE/SYBASE preferred) * 3 years UNIX/C application development * 3 years RDBMS experience using an SQL-based RDBMS * 1+ year NeXTSTEP applications a plus * AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD, Objective C a plus For more information about these exciting opportunities, call or send your resume to: Steve Green - Manager, Human Resources SHL Systemhouse Inc. 885 Third Avenue, 25th Floor New York, New York, U.S.A. 10022-4834 Telephone: 212-303-5500 Fax: 212-303-5595 E-Mail: Steve_Green@ny.shl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: "neil" in Webster Message-ID: <CAFxAw.5MJ@califhistsoc.org> Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org (one) Organization: California Historical Society - Bringing the 19th Century, kicking and screaming, into the 21st! 415 567-1848 or fax 415 567-2394. Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 01:54:31 GMT Everything will be clear when you search it on the Webster Thesaurus.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Better Grays out of the NLP Message-ID: <1993Jul20.222549.3842@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <CAFJp2.AKz@world.std.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 22:25:49 GMT Chris Lloyd (lloyd@world.std.com) wrote: : Has anyone come up with a way to get nicer looking grayscales out of the : NeXT Laser Printer? The Default ones look like crud, the dots in the : half-tone patterns are huge-ola. You can play with the setscreen command. To do this you need to hack the postcript code. The default screen frequency on the Next is 50 or 60 dpi. This produces a dither cell that is 8 pixels on a side. The pixels however when printed are much larger than 1/400 of an inch, so the light grey part of the picture is darker than it should be, and blacks are blotted out. By hacking the setscreen command, you are trading fewer grey tones for higher resolution. I find that I like the results best with either an 80 dpi or a 100 dpi resolution. With the latter, I will run the bitmap through a contrast enhancement filter first. The hack: 100 0 {180 mul cos exch 180 mul cos add 2 div} setscreen Put this line after the scale and translate commands. The first two parameters are screen frequency, and screen angle. For explanations of the stuff in the {} see the adobe documentation. Recommended for fiddling around with bitmaps is Jef Poskanzer's pbmplus suite of programs. Available on sonata, if not, then mail me. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
From: mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: CRIMSON VGX heat dissipation? Date: 21 Jul 1993 01:10:25 GMT Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <22i521INN6ei@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Planning a new building, Can anyone supply the heat dissapation of a crimson vgx in BTUs/hr or whatever? email to mmcohen@dewi.ucsc.edu, thanks in advance, MMCohen -- ====================================================================== = Dr. Michael M. Cohen mmcohen@dewi.ucsc.edu = = Program in Experimental Psychology mmcohen@fuzzy.ucsc.edu = = 433 Clark Kerr Hall 408-459-2655 LAB = = University of California - Santa Cruz 408-459-2700 MSGS = = Santa Cruz, CA 95064 408-459-3519 FAX = ======================================================================
From: michlb@nebula.ps.uci.edu (Michl Binderbauer) Subject: NeXTstation stolen Message-ID: <2C4CC830.9086@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: University of California, Irvine Date: 21 Jul 93 04:38:09 GMT My NeXTstation including two external disk drives, NeXT laser printer and ZyXel modem were stolen from my house a few days ago: * NeXTstation mono 25MHz, 20MB, 340MB Maxtor internal disk CPU Serial# ABB0010745 Maxtor drive model LXT-340S, Serial# L00370863-1 * Megapixeldisplay Serial# AAA7000325 * NeXT 400dpi Laser Printer Serial# AAC0007425 * Andataco external drive Model# 309A3-F Fujitsu drive model M2624FA, Serial# 0066645 * Andataco external drive Model# 306B-3 Quantum 105MB drive (this was the drive originally in the pizza box) * ZyXEL modem Model# U-1496E Serial# SIA0200544 The worst part about the whole theft is the fact that 2 years worth of my PhD thesis research is stored on the disks. I do have some limited backup but a considerable amount of data and calculations are gone completely and it will take me weeks to recover and reproduce everything. In case somebody comes across any of the stolen items please contact me at: (714) 833-1840 (or leave a message at (714) 557-3327) or send e-mail to: =) michl@golem.ps.uci.edu =) michlb@astro2.ps.uci.edu =) michlb@nebula.ps.uci.edu Thank you very much for your help! michl -- Michl Binderbauer Dept. of Physics University of California, Irvine Irvine, CA 92714 (714) 725-2605
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Message-ID: <1993Jul20.190002.16583@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1993Jul17.182548.22178@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 19:00:02 GMT In article <1993Jul17.182548.22178@midway.uchicago.edu> fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) writes: > > Just for my and the net's general information, someone please > give specifics on the operation of the swapfile. I think that > swapfile compression and its performance boost are well known in > this group, as is the fact that once the amount swapped out exceeds > the lowat (usually 16 meg) that the swapfile "grows and grows." > > Although I am interested in the some specifics of swapfile operation, > I am most interested in why the swapfile cannot be reduced to the > lowat until reboot. If big processes are exited, why can't the > swapfile be re-mapped to reclaim the unused memory... How is swapfile > memory allocated and reclaimed? Does the lowat do anything else other > than at reboot or restart? Is there a way, beyond getting more RAM > (which is a given) and running fewer apps, of managing your swapfile? > > Lastly, what is the optimal lowat size and why? I have heard that > the lowat should be roughly equal to the RAM in one's machine. > What is the benefit/costs of a lower or higher lowat? > For some unspecified reason (performance?) swapspace is reclaimed in larger chunks and never remapped. I think the caching algorithm for the I-node information won't allow it. You have the advantage that swapping runs on a common fast file system instead of a raw device, which spares you the expense of a fixed disk area unusable for any other purpose. Unfortunately, it is less desirable if the machine is never switched off and/or lots a misbehavin' processes suck memory. You can declare a high water mark, which will guarantee your swapfile never grows beyond bounds. But this means a process gets stuck sometimes. Too much of low water means your disk space is wasted, too few means you spend precious time expanding the swap file into less optimized , probably far off, regions of the file system. The additional head movement won't speed things up. Upon installation BuildDisk allocates contiguous space to the swap file. This advantage will be lost when lowering the low water mark. Things can be faster if you distribute swap space over two or more physical disks. Allocating less swap space than physical memory could lead to rare events that a process doesn't fit into swap space although it fitted into main memory. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Message-ID: <2374@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 21 Jul 93 10:05:12 GMT References: <1993Jul17.182548.22178@midway.uchicago.edu> <1993Jul20.190002.16583@nidat.sub.org> Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). One comment often made is that the swapfile will never shrink. This is not true, at least on a 3.0 station. When I run a music editor with an 80 MB file, do _absolutely_nothing_else_, save, (make tea) and quit, a terrible rattling noise goes on for about two minutes, during which the machine does not respond to anything. Afterwards the swapfile is back at 16MB. Note hat this only seems to work if no other process allocated memory in the meantime - even the scrollbackbuffer of Terminal. It is thus of very limited practical relevance. Geert Jan van Oldenborgh.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Black->White::Where do I get additional tools? Message-ID: <1993Jul21.134625.4282@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:46:25 GMT I now have a white "Color Turbo NeXT" and now realize what I am missing from the "black days". Since I loaded the dev env, I do have emacs and TeX, but I am missing kermit, Xmouse, Emacs (the front end), and gnuplot. (I found the FAT version of gzip!-). I can recompile gnuplot since I have source, but I would like to get compiled versions (either white or FAT) of kermit and Xmouse. I'm sure these exist, I'm just not finding them. Would someone please point me to their location. Thanks greatly in advance. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: zie@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Ziegler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Seyon ported for Next (X11)? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 14:00:12 GMT Organization: Technische Elektronik, University of Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <22ji5cE1eo@uni-erlangen.de> Does anybody know if Seyon, an X11 based terminal program is ported to next? There is support for bsd style ioctl but I was not succsessful in getting everything to work (e.g. autoZmodemDownload does not work). Thomas
From: peterk@pknms.toppoint.de (Peter Kretzschmar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer for NS486 Distribution: world Message-ID: <743263990peterk.postmast@pknms.toppoint.de> Sender: postmast@pknms.toppoint.de Date: Wed, 21 Jul 93 14:13:10 GMT Organization: private site Where can i find NewsGrazer as FAT binary or ported to the Intel Hardware ? Where are the new serial line drivers ? Are they out ? Peter -- Peter Kretzschmar +49 4321 41471 peterk@pknms.toppoint.de Grossflecken 54 24534 Neumuenster GERMANY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: phoskins@arrinext.uta.edu (Paul Hoskins) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! (The TRUTH is revealed) Message-ID: <1993Jul21.140853.7205@news.uta.edu> Keywords: webster, weird, answer Sender: news@news.uta.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Texas at Arlington References: <1993Jul20.173001.21432@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 14:08:53 GMT Webster has an entire list of universities and colleges in it, along with the zipcode of the school and the date they were founded. To get the particular listing for a college put on a single line, lower case, no spaces: (state) (name of college) neil is just short for "newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea" which is the name for New York C. of Environmental Science and Forestry, State U. of Syracuse Follow the general guidlines and you can get the information for any college Paul Hoskins phoskins@arri.uta.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: FIP Gateway problems Message-ID: <1993Jul21.132831.4130@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:28:31 GMT Thanks for all the responces that I received reguarding mouse problems with the Gateway....... Most of the problem was the cables for the on board serial port were crossed. (Thanks Mitch). Well, we got it installed, the configure app came up, and we had keyboard, and mouse!! any way even though we were running a serial mouse, the configure app had ps2mouse selected. We figured "Its working good like this lets leave it alone" BIG MISTAKE! After a reboot, it came up fine except no more mouse. Well later in the evening we got another message from Mitch message detailing his gateway installation that said something like this: PICKING A MOUSE Although I have a Logitech bus mouse, NEXTSTEP seems to want you to use a PS/2 mouse instead. When you get to the Configure application during the installation, only the PS/2 mouse appears in the window, even though NEXTSTEP knows you have a bus mouse and is letting you use it. (The same thing is true if you're using a serial mouse; NEXTSTEP still only shows the PS/2 mouse in Configure.) You *can*, however, add the bus or serial mouse: click the Add button, and Bus Mouse and Serial Mouse appear in a new, bigger list of choices. You can also remove the PS/2 mouse while you're at it. If you don't choose the kind of mouse you're using in Configure (and you're not using a PS/2 mouse), your mouse won't work when you finish the installation. ====================================================== Well the same thing goes with serial mice, but we already screwed up. Does any one know how to reboot the NEXTSTEP so that it starts up with the configure panal like it does on the inital startup instead of going into NEXTSTEP. Maybe we could have mouse control, and reset it to a serial mouse.. If not, does anyone know what files could be edited by hand to set up the serial mouse insted of the PS2 mouse. Thanks Rick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: stanj@ferrari.corp.sgi.com (Stan Jensen - SGI Express) Subject: Re: CRIMSON VGX heat dissipation? Message-ID: <CAIvJz.Ao0@odin.corp.sgi.com> To: mmcohen@fuzzy.ucsc.edu Sender: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. References: <22i521INN6ei@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 16:09:35 GMT In article <22i521INN6ei@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen) writes: |> |> Planning a new building, Can anyone supply the |> heat dissapation of a crimson vgx in BTUs/hr |> or whatever? email to mmcohen@dewi.ucsc.edu, thanks |> in advance, MMCohen The data sheet says 5,120 BTUs/hour. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stan Jensen, Systems Engineer for "SGI Express" stanj@corp.sgi.com Silicon Graphics Inc., M/S 14L-120 Phone:(415)390-5822 P.O. Box 7311, 1350 Charleston Road FAX: (415)962-1589 Mt. View, CA 94039-7311 "I (heart) Tonks" SGI Express for U.S. and Canada: 1-800-800-7441 SGI Express for U.K.: 0800 440 440 (FAX: 0734 304 417) SGI Express for Germany: 0130 811 011 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Date: 19 Jul 1993 15:12:31 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <22edkvINN55s@golden.kaleida.com> References: <gindling.742927707@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> In article <gindling.742927707@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> gindling@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GINDLING JIM) writes: > Does anybody happen to know if Next plans on porting it's NextStep operating > system to PowerPC computers when they become available? > No official announcements have been made by NeXT. People have seen parts of NS running on PowerPC machines internally at NeXT. The current rumor is that the Cannon spin off hardware company will produce the PowerPC machines to run various OSes including NeXTSTEP. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail appreciated Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleid.com ...................................................................
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can the Gateway 2000 mouse be used with NSI? Date: 21 Jul 1993 17:50:43 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <22jvlj$ock@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Subject says it all. I intend to buy the Gateway 200 66v (DX2 66MHz machine) with the 500MB SCSI HD upgrade (assuming it has an Adaptec interface) and install NEXSTEP/FIP (the academic version) on it. I want to know if I can use the mouse that comes with the computer, or if I must purchase a Logitech mouse. Also, is there a summary of the bugs/fixes for installing on a Gateway machine? Thank you for your time and help? -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths (in response to a NeXT advocate on c.s.n.m)
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FIP Gateway problems Date: 21 Jul 1993 18:20:32 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Message-ID: <22k1dg$ml2@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1993Jul21.132831.4130@ToTSySSoft.com> In article <1993Jul21.132831.4130@ToTSySSoft.com> rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) writes: [misc deleted] > >Well, we got it installed, the configure app came up, and we had >keyboard, and mouse!! any way even though we were running a serial >mouse, the configure app had ps2mouse selected. >We figured "Its working good like this lets leave it alone" >BIG MISTAKE! After a reboot, it came up fine except no more mouse. > Very annoying, especially since they updated NextAnswers for Gateway a few days ago. Didn't mention a thing about this. This topic has been the subject of much discussion here, so it wasn't a complete surprise. >PICKING A MOUSE > >Although I have a Logitech bus mouse, NEXTSTEP seems to want you to >use a PS/2 mouse instead. When you get to the Configure application >during the installation, only the PS/2 mouse appears in the window, >even though NEXTSTEP knows you have a bus mouse and is letting you >use it. (The same thing is true if you're using a serial mouse; >NEXTSTEP still only shows the PS/2 mouse in Configure.) You *can*, >however, add the bus or serial mouse: click the Add button, and Bus >Mouse and Serial Mouse appear in a new, bigger list of choices. You >can also remove the PS/2 mouse while you're at it. If you don't >choose the kind of mouse you're using in Configure (and you're not >using a PS/2 mouse), your mouse won't work when you finish the >installation. >====================================================== > > >Well the same thing goes with serial mice, but we already screwed up. >Does any one know how to reboot the NEXTSTEP so that it starts up >with the configure panal like it does on the inital startup instead >of going into NEXTSTEP. Maybe we could have mouse control, and reset >it to a serial mouse.. > >If not, does anyone know what files could be edited by hand to set >up the serial mouse insted of the PS2 mouse. > I had the same problem on an install last night. I edited /usr/Device/System.config/Instance0.table (I hope this is correct, my NS/FIP is at home). I added SerialMouse and SerialPorts to Both lines that listed drivers. This is probably not entirely correct, but it was late, I was tired and use at your own risk. My configuration: Gateway 4DX2-66 with GXJ03 (or whatever) Bios, Microsoft Serial Mouse W7 installed as in the latest NextAnswer Bulletin on Gateway machines, IDE disk with dos and next partitions. When I couldn't use my mouse I used Alt L to get workspace into Listing mode, used the cursor keys to navigate to /NextApps/Terminal then Return to run. From then on I was able to do an su and cd over to the directories I needed mess with. You could boot with -s to get into single user mode as well, but vi doesn't work real well so I punted. I strongly suggest making a copy of any file BEFORE you change anything. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for competent 486-NS vendors Message-ID: <69499@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 21 Jul 93 19:02:07 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: U of Maryland, Center for Automation Research, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 I am considering buying a 486 machine to run NS. I haven't made up my mind as to which machine it will be, so I'd like to call up some companies to check out their offers. Since NS 3.1 imposes some restrictions on the kind of peripherals that can be used, I would like to get in touch with sales/tech persons who are familiar with NS and its requirements. If you know of any such person (at Gateway, Dell, NEC, etc), please send me their name, company, phone/fax (+extension #), email. Since this is of potential interest to many netters, I will post a summary to this Newsgroup. Thanks, Greg. ****************************************************************************** * Gregory Baratoff e-mail : baratoff@cfar.umd.edu * * Center for Automation Research * * University of Maryland * * College Park, MD 20742 * ******************************************************************************
From: jim@nestmoi.rain.com (Jim Chorn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: making gzip Message-ID: <1993Jul21.165519.3387@nestmoi.rain.com> Date: 21 Jul 93 16:55:19 GMT Article-I.D.: nestmoi.1993Jul21.165519.3387 References: <1993Jul15.140613.24751@sunova.ssc.gov> <YKIFB0BR@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Organization: none - Portland, OR Ed Faught (faught@berserk.ssc.gov) wrote: : In article <1993Jul14.175919.265@sunova.ssc.gov> : faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) writes: : Many of the people replying to the original post : wanted to know more, so here's : what happens: [stuff deleted] : gzip.c:149: sys/file.h: No such file or directory : *** Exit 1 : Stop. -> I'm not sitting at my NeXT in the moment, but thats really -> a very simple one - just replace in gzip.c the <sys/file.h> -> by <bsd/sys/file.h> or whatever the correct path for file.h -> is (or was it ansi/sys ???) To find out start Librarian -> and search for file.h in the Headerfiles Selection. Or do -> a "find /usr/include -name file.h -print" or just look in -> the browser - if I'd sit at my machine I'd tell you the -> right place but I'm sure you'll find it. A more maintainable approach would be to use the -I/usr/include/bsd compiler directive in the makefile (CFLAGS) and leave the code alone. Or manually: cc -I/usr/include/bsd gzip.c ... -jim jim@nestmoi.rain.com
From: marc@ashley.ucla.edu (Marc Day) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why are Docs in Pkgs. on CD-ROM? Date: 21 Jul 1993 21:19:01 GMT Organization: ucla Sender: marc@ashley (Marc Day) Distribution: world Message-ID: <22kbs5$f4d@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> In article <2245v3$pe0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: |> |> Can anyone explain to me why Next puts it Dev. docs |> in those packages on their cd-roms, thus making it |> necessary to use hard disk space? CD-ROMS hold |> hundreds of MB of data. Can't think of a better use |> for cd-rom than to hold those docs. |> |> Thanks |> |> Robert |> |> |> This article generated a few responses, I'll add one. Because, not everybody has a CDROM available for everyday use. I had to borrow one for installation. M -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Day, graduate student Institute of Plasma Fusion Research 44-139 Engineering IV University of California Los Angeles, CA 90024-1597 Internet: day@fusion.ucla.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Better Grays out of the NLP Message-ID: <1993Jul21.202415.24902@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <CAFJp2.AKz@world.std.com> <1993Jul20.222549.3842@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 20:24:15 GMT In article <1993Jul20.222549.3842@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) writes: >Chris Lloyd (lloyd@world.std.com) wrote: >: Has anyone come up with a way to get nicer looking grayscales out of the >: NeXT Laser Printer? The Default ones look like crud, the dots in the >: half-tone patterns are huge-ola. > >You can play with the setscreen command. To do this you need to hack >the postcript code. The default screen frequency on the Next is 50 or >60 dpi. This produces a dither cell that is 8 pixels on a side. The >pixels however when printed are much larger than 1/400 of an inch, so >the light grey part of the picture is darker than it should be, and >blacks are blotted out. > >By hacking the setscreen command, you are trading fewer grey tones for >higher resolution. I find that I like the results best with either an >80 dpi or a 100 dpi resolution. With the latter, I will run the bitmap >through a contrast enhancement filter first. > >The hack: >100 0 {180 mul cos exch 180 mul cos add 2 div} setscreen >Put this line after the scale and translate commands. > > >The first two parameters are screen frequency, and screen angle. >For explanations of the stuff in the {} see the adobe documentation. > >Recommended for fiddling around with bitmaps is Jef Poskanzer's pbmplus >suite of programs. Available on sonata, if not, then mail me. >-- >=> Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= >=> University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= >=> tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <= 72 lpi is a good compromise between the default (too low) and and not-enough-greys. Virtuoso gives you control over this through the ppd's. Look at the ppd to find some stuff on linescreen & resolution relationships. There is a formula for determining the number of greys available. It's something like (dpi/lpi)squared so for 400 dpi and 72 lpi you get 25 greys available. The NLP dithers though... so it's hard to say EXACTLY how many you get... -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: borchers@poogh.llnl.gov (Robert R. Borchers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Font help needed !!!! Date: 21 Jul 1993 22:44:46 GMT Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD Message-ID: <22kgsu$q4o@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Does anyone know a utility, or in general, how to convert a font FROM the NeXT TO a Mac? I can find all kinds of converters going the other way. Bob -- Robert R. Borchers L-414 Livermore, Ca 94551 borchers@llnl.gov NeXTmail Welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Font help needed !!!! Message-ID: <1993Jul21.235640.13170@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <22kgsu$q4o@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 23:56:40 GMT Robert R. Borchers writes > Does anyone know a utility, or in general, how to convert a font > FROM the NeXT TO a Mac? I can find all kinds of converters going > the other way. Bob While it's possible, it certainly wouldn't be easy, and I'm not aware of any utilities to do so. The Mac format is cumbersome, to say the least. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Trimark.com Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul20.174820.6278@trimark.com> Sender: news@trimark.com Organization: Trimark Investment Management, Toronto References: <1993Jul20.143311.7348@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 17:48:20 GMT Hey gang, the Webster index has had bugs in it since at least release 0.9. (F'rinstance look up "test" or any 4 letter word that ends in "est"). It's not really news when you find something that's mis-indexed. (What would be news if you found an old indexing error that had been corrected!) Regards, steve P.S. yes I have reported the "test" indexing bug, at least 4 times.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Message-ID: <1993Jul21.214820.1399@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <22edkvINN55s@golden.kaleida.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 21:48:20 GMT In article <22edkvINN55s@golden.kaleida.com> marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) writes: | In article <gindling.742927707@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> | gindling@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GINDLING JIM) writes: | > Does anybody happen to know if Next plans on porting it's NextStep | operating | > system to PowerPC computers when they become available? | > | | No official announcements have been made by NeXT. People have seen parts | of NS running on PowerPC machines internally at NeXT. The current rumor | is that the Cannon spin off hardware company will produce the PowerPC | machines to run various OSes including NeXTSTEP. | Unfortunately, the latest NeXTWorld's rumor column says that all ports other than the HP port are on hold until they get Intel going well and HP done. It also says that DEC offered a big chunk of cash for an Alpha port, but they had to turn it down. <sigh> There's only one Avadis Tevanian, after all. But remember, this isn't confirmed or anything, it's just Lieutenant Sullivan. -- Jon Hendry It's a thousand classes, give or take a few, <jon@afs.com> I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare Writer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: RECOMMENDATION: Printing Large Documents Message-ID: <1993Jul21.204758.12392@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 20:47:58 GMT I have a large document I need to have printed from FrameMaker, front and back. What recommendations does anyone have to accomplish this?? I remember seeing a script posted a few weeks ago that would take a postscript file and allow the printing of every other page or some weird algorithm to accomplish this. -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lbrahman@du.edu (.... Brahm ....) Subject: Info about GOLDLEAF PUBLISHING Message-ID: <CAJK70.7IA@du.edu> Followup-To: brahm@alembic.com Keywords: GOLDLEAF Sender: news@du.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Q. Image & Advertising Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 01:01:48 GMT Does anyone know the phone/fax/e-mail address of GOLDLEAF PUBLISHING in Larkspur California? It seems that they have moved to a new address and there is no recording. Thanks. ...Brahm
From: bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Date: 22 Jul 1993 01:36:59 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <22kqvr$alb@transfer.stratus.com> References: <22edkvINN55s@golden.kaleida.com> <1993Jul21.214820.1399@afs.com> In article <1993Jul21.214820.1399@afs.com> jon@afs.com writes: >Unfortunately, the latest NeXTWorld's rumor column says that all ports other >than the HP port are on hold until they get Intel going well and HP done. [munch] >There's only one Avadis Tevanian, after all. Jon, Avie is very smart and does a lot of good work, but comments like this only serve as a slap in the face to all the other very smart and hardworking folks NeXT has working for them. I understand that you probably didn't intend it this way, but this is, in essence, what you've done to those "quiet few" at NEXT that do read this group. Please try and be more considerate in the future. --Bob -- Bob_Beckwith@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc., Hardware Engineering 55 Fairbanks Blvd. Marlboro, MA 01752 USA
From: mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can the Gateway 2000 mouse be used with NSI? Date: 22 Jul 1993 01:59:52 GMT Organization: Mills College, Oakland CA Message-ID: <22ksao$908@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <22jvlj$ock@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> David J. Fischer writes: >I intend to buy the Gateway 200 66v (DX2 66MHz machine) with the 500MB SCSI HD >upgrade (assuming it has an Adaptec interface) and install NEXSTEP/FIP (the >academic version) on it. I want to know if I can use the mouse that comes with >the computer, or if I must purchase a Logitech mouse. If it is a Microsoft serial mouse, it'll work fine. The only problem is running out of serial ports, which can happen if you have a modem and use a serial printer. In NS/I 3.1, the serial mouse must use COM1, which can make it difficult to make room for other serial devices. >Also, is there a summary of the bugs/fixes for installing on a Gateway machine? I've been keeping my own list of problems and solutions for an earlier Gateway 66V (one from February, before they started using the new motherboards with Pentium upgrade sockets). Earlier, I read that there was going to be an NS/I installation FAQ, but I haven't seen it. Here are my updated notes, for what they're worth. I've also included the message from Paul Sears about setting the PS/2 keyboard jumper, which is apparently necessary for the newer 66Vs. Mitch Gass mitch@mills.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NS/I Installation Adventures on a Gateway 4DX2-66V Thanks to Lusty Diana and to everyone else who offered suggestions. For the benefit of anyone else trying to install NS/I on a Gateway, here's what's happened during my installation. THE SYSTEM Gateway 4DX2-66V (February 1993). It has the motherboard with 4 72-pin SIMM sockets and no Pentium socket. 16MB of RAM ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VL-bus video card (see below) Phoenix 80486 ROM BIOS PLUS Version 0.10 GLB01 Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller with latest BIOS (see below) Maxtor MXT-1240S 1.2GB SCSI hard drive Apple CD SC CD-ROM drive (and, later, an AppleCD 300) UPGRADING THE ATI GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO I upgraded the Ultra Pro shipped with the Gateway (which had only 1MB of VRAM and the older RAMDAC) with an extra megabyte of VRAM and a new RAMDAC. This upgrade is available from Gateway for $125. It turns out that the instructions sent by Gateway for upgrading the RAMDAC were wrong. There are two different sockets on the Ultra Pro for RAMDACs, one for a rectangular chip with two rows of pins, and another for a square chip with lots of pins. The instructions assume that your 1MB Ultra Pro came with the RAMDAC with two rows of pins, but mine had a square RAMDAC in the same socket that's used for the new RAMDAC that comes with the upgrade. (According to Gateway, the square RAMDAC included with the upgrade *is* an upgrade, not just an equivalent chip, so I needed to replace the old RAMDAC with the new one.) At first, I couldn't figure out how to get out the square RAMDAC. I called Gateway, and they suggested getting a dental scribe (the kind a dental hygienist uses to clean teeth) and use it to pry up the corners. (I found a scribe at a big Pay Less drug store nearby.) The scribe works, but you need to be *very* careful not to get the scribe under the pins at the corners; it's very easy to bend the pins. CONFIGURING THE ADAPTEC 1542B Gateway sells the Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller for $210, which seems like a reasonable price. (It includes a driver kit. You don't need the kit for NEXTSTEP, but it comes in handy if you have a DOS partition and want to run DOS/Windows once in a while. Note that the kit does *not* include the driver for CD-ROM drives under DOS. The DOS CD-ROM driver is included in Adaptec's EZ-SCSI package, which is available as an upgrade from Adaptec (for about half the street price) if you already have the kit from Gateway. If your CD-ROM drive supports PhotoCDs, hold out for the new version of EZ-SCSI--which is supposed to be out by the end of July--that includes PhotoCD support.) When I configured the controller, I used the ASCII version of the NeXTanswers note about the 1542B, which doesn't have a lot of information about the jumper settings. Be sure to get either the PostScript or the fax version of the note, which include illustrations of the correct jumper settings. To use a SCSI disk larger than a gigabyte, the NeXTanswers note says that you need to get the BIOS upgrade for the 1542B from Adaptec. (This upgrade is apparently only necessary for the 1542B; the 1542C supports disks larger than a gigabyte). Getting the upgrade turned out to be easy, fast, and free: I just called Adaptec Technical Support at 1-800-959-7274 and told them what I needed. I got the upgrade the next day. However, the upgrade doesn't do the trick. With extended translation enabled (the mechanism that Adaptec uses to break the DOS 1GB limit for hard disks), NEXTSTEP will not install. Without extended translation enabled (which the NeXTanswers note shows as the correct jumper setting), NEXTSTEP can only use the first 1024MB on the disk. Doing a low-level reformat of the disk with extended translation enabled, as suggested by Adaptec technical support, did not solve the problem. NeXT technical support now knows about the problem, but they don't have a solution. After hearing about the many problems people have with SCSI termination and cabling, I decided to play it safe and get an active terminator (the kind required by the SCSI-2 specification, but hard to find) to connect to the (external) CD-ROM drive, as well as a SCSI-2 cable. (My hard drive, a Maxtor MXT-1240S, includes an active terminator, and I suspect any drive labeled SCSI-2 does, too.) I got both the terminator and cable from CS Electronics at (714) 259-9100 for what seemed like reasonable prices (about $35 for each). Service was quite fast: I got the order (which included a custom cable) in 3 days. Note that if you have both internal and external SCSI devices connected to the Adaptec, you need to remove the Adaptec's built-in terminators (three identical "chips", each with a single row of pins), as described in the Adaptec manual. A little screwdriver with a thin, narrow blade will do the trick. I used an old Apple CD SC (Apple's original CD-ROM drive) for installation, and it worked fine. However, I needed to disable Sync Negotiation on the Adaptec, as recommended by the NeXTanswers note. With an AppleCD 300 (which I got later), I could enable Synch Negotiation. If you're shopping for a new CD-ROM drive, you should definitely consider a double-speed drive like the AppleCD 300; the installation with the older CD SC was *very* slow. CONFIGURING THE SERIAL PORTS As shipped, my Gateway has a Microsoft serial mouse that connects to a 9-pin connector on the back labeled COM2. NEXTSTEP requires the serial mouse to be connected to COM1. Here's the story: the 9-pin connector, as shipped, is connected to COMA (one of two serial connectors, along with COMB, on the motherboard). Althought the Phoenix BIOS Setup program allows you to specify the port connected to COMA and the port connected to COMB, COMA can only be configured as COM1 or COM3, while COMB can only be configured as COM2 or COM4. This means that, to make the 9-pin connector COM1, I needed to --switch the cables connected to COMA and COMB, so that COMA is connected to the 9-pin connector and COMB is connected to the 25-pin connector --use the Phoenix BIOS setup program to make COMA COM1 and use IRQ 4, and to make COMB COM2 and use IRQ 3 --change the switches on the back of my Gateway Telepath modem (formerly set to COM1) to make it COM3 and use IRQ 5. (Note that I couldn't use COM4 for the modem, because COM4 is apparently used by the Gateway video.) OTHER ROM BIOS CHANGES To install NEXTSTEP, the 3-1/2" floppy drive must be drive A. On my computer, this meant switching the floppy drive cables. There is conflicting information in NeXTanswers about whether the 5-1/4" drive can remain installed. It can on my system. IRQ CONFLICTS As shipped, the Gateway uses IRQ 1 and 2. NEXTSTEP requires you to use IRQ 3 for COM2 and IRQ 4 for COM1. This left IRQ 5 for the Gateway Telepath modem (the highest IRQ it can use). The Intel EtherExpress 16 Ethernet board I bought with the Gateway used IRQ 11. Because NEXTSTEP requires the Adaptec SCSI controller to use IRQ 11, I had to use another IRQ for the EtherExpress, but which one? The only other choices that that the EtherExpress setup software offers (besides IRQ 10; see below) are IRQs 3, 4, and 5, all of which are taken. A possible solution--which I'll try tomorrow--is to use a Logitech bus mouse, which will free up one of the COM ports and its IRQ for the modem. In the end, I was able to use IRQ 10 for the EtherExpress (I don't know what changed, but it works now with IRQ 10); I got the Logitech bus mouse (quite comfortable; it comes in right- and left-hand versions) and put it at IRQ 5; I got a new and much better modem (a Practical Peripherals 14400FX internal modem) and put it at COM1 and IRQ 4 (for which I had to disable the onboard COM1 with the Gateway's BIOS setup program). That leaves COM2 and IRQ 3 for connecting my Apple LaserWriter (today's project). CREATING A DOS PARTITION When NEXTSTEP asked whether I wanted to reserve a partition on the hard drive for DOS, I said yes. I later used the DOS format /v:MS-DOS /s command to format the partition for DOS. The /s switch makes the partition a bootable DOS disk. The label you give with the /v switch appears as the name of the DOS partition in the NEXTSTEP workspace. I then copied over all the files from my old DOS drive to the new partition using the Windows File Manager. When I booted DOS and Windows, I got the message that the Windows swap file was corrupted (with a mysterious message about the drive having the wrong format, even though I just formatted it). The easy way out is to open the Windows EMM386 control panel and get rid of the swap file (which you certainly don't need, now that you've bought all that extra memory for NEXTSTEP :-) PICKING A MOUSE AND CHOOSING MONITOR SETTINGS Although I have a Logitech bus mouse, NEXTSTEP seems to want you to use a PS/2 mouse instead. When you get to the Configure application during the installation, only the PS/2 mouse appears in the window, even though NEXTSTEP knows you have a bus mouse and is letting you use it. (The same thing is true if you're using a serial mouse; NEXTSTEP still only shows the PS/2 mouse in Configure.) You *can*, however, add the bus or serial mouse: click the Add button, and Bus Mouse and Serial Mouse appear in a new, bigger list of choices. You can also remove the PS/2 mouse while you're at it. If you don't choose the kind of mouse you're using in Configure (and you're not using a PS/2 mouse), your mouse won't work when you finish the installation. While you're in Configure, be sure to enable the Beep driver for sound. In addition, check the settings for your monitor. My monitor supports 1024 X 768 at 76Hz; the default in Configure was 60Hz, and I increased it to 76Hz. ----------------------------------------- Article 5490 (88 more) in comp.sys.next.hardware: From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,com p.sys.next.bugs Subject: BUG FIX: Gateway2000 incompatability fix for model 4DX2-66V Date: 2 Jul 1993 23:45:26 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: thanatos.egr.uh.edu (The rtf version includes a PostScript document that has a diagram of the location jumper that needs to be changed) Gateway2000 4DX2-66V Fix This the "official" fix from Gateway2000 concerning the problem with installing and running NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors version 3.1. The cause of the problem was that the PS2Mouse driver and the PS2Keyboard driver would not work with the newer versions of the BIOS that Micronics started shipping with a revised system board. Mainly it concerned the new Gateway ROM BIOS PLUS Version 0.10 GJX30-05E (but it also works for the earlier GJX30 versions). For NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors Release 3.1 to install correctly, the new Gateways V-Series systems must have the PS2 style keyboard jumper ENABLED. This jumper is not documented in the Gateway2000 Manuals as the PS2 style keyboard jumper, instead it is listed as W7 - "Reserved". Gateway ships these systems with the jumper disabled, and usually recommends leaving the jumper disabled for use with system and keyboard drivers. However, ou must change the W7 jumper to the "on" position (you will need to find a jumper to use or locate a spare one). The W7 jumper is located right next to the W40 jumper on the motherboard. See the diagram below. Micronics (Motherboard OEM for Gateway) is currently running NEXTSTEP on a new Gateway with the W7 jumper changed. This setup has worked with both serial and bus mice. NeXT's Quality Assurance group is testing this fix now. [This has been tested and verified at the University of Houston with the GJX30-01D verion of the BIOS.] **** The PS2Mouse driver must be loaded for this to work. If [and only if!!] you followed my earlier installation notes, you were told to remove the PS2Mouse driver from the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table which was in the line "Boot Drivers". A simple way to do this is to run the Configure.app located in /NextApps and click on "save". The configure.app will automatically add the PS2Mouse driver to the Instance0.table file. Powerdown, then add the jumper and reboot. No need to mess with the turbo switch or anything, it should come up in NEXTSTEP automatically. To quickly verify if your keyboard will work, check if the NUM-Lock LED is off. If it is not, then your keyboard WILL NOT work. The W7 jumper is located next to the first LocalBus slot near the right-back end of the system board. This diagram is for the Desktop configuration only. The jumper may be located in a different location if you have a tower case. -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@einstein.andi.org (David Scheck) Subject: ** help ** NS/486 wont mount DOS partition Message-ID: <CAJpM8.1G3@nextsrv1.andi.org> Followup-To: dscheck@nextsrv1.andi.org Keywords: DOS nextstep mount Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 02:58:53 GMT I finally installed NS486 on my clone Vesa/EISA/ISA motherboard. I did run into problems though. Can anyone tell me what are the solutions? 1) "INTR: dropped IRQ 7" is constantly written to the display on bootup. 2) Floppy controller was having problems & had to retry for about 5 minutes before the first install option was given. 3) I cannot seem to get the DOS partition automounted in Workspace??? Has anyone seen these problems and knows what is wrong?? Please reply to David Scheck dscheck@nextsrv1.andi.org (703) 620-8258
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: hiding MENU only Message-ID: <9320313.13872@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Keywords: menu Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 03:32:54 GMT Does anyone know how to hide a menu (say on Terminal.app) and yet leave the rest of the windows displayed? In the case of Terminal.app leaving all the shell windows up. Dragging the dock all the way down then leave lots of space to work in. Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
Control: cancel <9320313.13872@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Aris Theocharides) Subject: cmsg cancel <9320313.13872@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Message-ID: <9320315.17002@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 05:12:26 GMT 31281 cancelled from NewsGrazer. -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC --> Marketing in Europe Message-ID: <1993Jul22.100636.939@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. References: <22h0ve$7sh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 10:06:36 GMT In article <22h0ve$7sh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis Lafont) writes: | [deleted] | | NeXTSTEP must be aggressively market, and NeXT, and only NeXT must do the job. | | They lost the hardware market because of this lack of marketing (in europe). | It will be probably the same with the hardware in Japan, and with | the software in Europe and (maybe) in the us. | | Thanks, | | Denis | | -- Denis, your lips are gold ! You're definitely RIGHT ! See my post in c.s.n.advocacy... NeXT always thought that local dealers should do all the job, spend all the money spent in marketing here in France. But in fact, people wants to know that NeXT Inc is alive, and happy to know that three distributors and 20 Resellers want to fulfill their needs. They don't care of only NeXT Europe, with nobody speaking french, local VAD and VARS. NeXT Europe will hire a marketing manager devoted to NS in France. I'm waiting for that guy, as if it was a prophet. (Not God himself ;-) Denis, let's hope ! BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yogi@csa.cs.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil) Subject: Information on Steve Jobs? Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 12:23:11 GMT Message-ID: <yogi.743343791@csa> Sender: news@wang.com I am looking for information (electronic or other) on the early days of S.J in apple startup. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- Joseph (Yossi) Gil yogi@TECHSEL.BITNET The Faculty of Computer Science yogi@cs.technion.ac.il Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology Tel: +972-4-29-4265 Technion City, Haifa 32000, Israel Fax: +972-4-29-4353
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Better Grays out of the NLP Date: 22 Jul 1993 14:03:50 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <22m6o6$eq4@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <CAFJp2.AKz@world.std.com> <1993Jul20.222549.3842@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) wrote... >Chris Lloyd (lloyd@world.std.com) wrote: >: Has anyone come up with a way to get nicer looking grayscales out of the >: NeXT Laser Printer? The Default ones look like crud, the dots in the >: half-tone patterns are huge-ola. > >You can play with the setscreen command. To do this you need to hack >the postcript code. The default screen frequency on the Next is 50 or >60 dpi. This produces a dither cell that is 8 pixels on a side. The >pixels however when printed are much larger than 1/400 of an inch, so >the light grey part of the picture is darker than it should be, and >blacks are blotted out. > >By hacking the setscreen command, you are trading fewer grey tones for >higher resolution. I find that I like the results best with either an >80 dpi or a 100 dpi resolution. With the latter, I will run the bitmap >through a contrast enhancement filter first. > >The hack: >100 0 {180 mul cos exch 180 mul cos add 2 div} setscreen >Put this line after the scale and translate commands. > > >The first two parameters are screen frequency, and screen angle. >For explanations of the stuff in the {} see the adobe documentation. > >Recommended for fiddling around with bitmaps is Jef Poskanzer's pbmplus >suite of programs. Available on sonata, if not, then mail me. Two things... First, for a novice, what file am I looking at to be piddling with these commands? Might be a stupid question, but... Second, has anyone tried modifying the NLPHalftone.ps file in an effort to get better grays? It sets up a 16x16 halftone pattern, but it only uses an 8x8 pattern and repeats that four times. Oh, there are some tiny variations, plus or minus one out of 256 possible settings. But it's not enough that I would think it would create a very noticeable difference. How much, if any, improvement could be obtained by tweaking this dither matrix? Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't each quiche. They eat Twinkies `---- | and fast food washed down with caffeinated beverages.
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question on MIME-compliance with NeXTmail Message-ID: <39892@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 22 Jul 93 14:44:28 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Hello I am trying to track down the current status of reading and/or writing MIME-compliant mail with NeXtmail under NS3.0. I remember seeing alot of traffic on this issue about 2 months ago and did not hear the final verdict on this. Our status on this is that we have SGI's running Rapport from Clarity Software and they currently are in the process of adding MIME-compliance in to their product. Thanks in advance. Bob Kurhajetz US Navy CD NSWC Code 3410 Bethesda, MD 20084 NeXTmail rk@priscilla.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Font help needed !!!! Message-ID: <1993Jul22.152253.27475@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <22kgsu$q4o@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 15:22:53 GMT In article <22kgsu$q4o@lll-winken.llnl.gov> borchers@llnl.gov writes: >Does anyone know a utility, or in general, how to convert a font FROM the >NeXT TO a Mac? I can find all kinds of converters going the other way. Bob > >-- >Robert R. Borchers >L-414 >Livermore, Ca 94551 >borchers@llnl.gov >NeXTmail Welcome Fontographer 4.0 for Macintosh will open most (but not all) NeXT fonts. That's the only thing I could suggest... -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU (Kevin H. Weiss) Subject: Need Help with Emacs.app under emacs-19.16 Message-ID: <CAKqJy.7FH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 16:16:45 GMT Dear emacs gurus, I recently upgraded to emacs-19.16 from emacs-18.56. Now I seem to have some trouble with Emacs.app. In particular, I now get the error Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no) whenever I try to quit, whether there's anything going or not. What needs to be fixed? HELP! Note: emacs from the command line doesn't have this problem. I'm running all of this under NeXTSTEP3.0 -------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Weiss Department of Mathematics khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.edu (NeXT mail) University of Virginia khw2x@virginia.edu (Non-NeXT mail)
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC --> Marketing in Europe Message-ID: <22mg2s$2b8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: 22 Jul 93 16:43:08 GMT References: <22h0ve$7sh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Jul22.100636.939@cubx.com> Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology In article <1993Jul22.100636.939@cubx.com> b_brottier@cubx.com writes: >In article <22h0ve$7sh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis >Lafont) writes: >| NeXTSTEP must be aggressively market, and NeXT, and only NeXT must do the >job. >| They lost the hardware market because of this lack of marketing (in europe). >Denis, your lips are gold ! >You're definitely RIGHT ! >See my post in c.s.n.advocacy... >NeXT always thought that local dealers should do all the job, spend all the >money spent in marketing here in France. I believe that NeXT marketing in Europe will be handled in part by Canon. I recieved a response from people at NeXT to my question about who handles Australian educational sales (i.e. contact people). What follows is the email, and it looks like Europe is a very important market seeing as who else recieved this email: **Forwarded Letter that I recived from an employee at NeXT who answered my Q: From: Bernhard_Woebker (Bernhard Woebker) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 16:38:34 +0200 To: Eric_Bragg Subject: The Aussies are getting restless Cc: sjobs, bernhard_Woebker, martin_york, james_higa Hi Eric, Australia is part of the territory we are discussing with Canon. In the last ET meeting we decided to hold off on the "Canon countries" until we have reached closure with them. Ingram Micro and NACSCORP are not allowed to sell outside North America. The best is to point all of these request to Canon to put some pressure on them. Bernhard
From: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need Help with Emacs.app under emacs-19.16 Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jul22101902@golem.uci.edu> Date: 22 Jul 93 17:19:08 GMT References: <CAKqJy.7FH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> In-reply-to: khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU's message of Thu, 22 Jul 1993 16:16:45 GMT In article <CAKqJy.7FH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU (Kevin H. Weiss) writes: I recently upgraded to emacs-19.16 from emacs-18.56. Now I seem to have some trouble with Emacs.app. In particular, I now get the error Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no) whenever I try to quit, whether there's anything going or not. What needs to be fixed? HELP! Note: emacs from the command line doesn't have this problem. I'm running all of this under NeXTSTEP3.0 Fixed in 3.1 (Emacs 3.1, that is). In the meantime you can alter lisp/eterm-low.el from the Emacs-3.0 distribution. In the function start-event-server add this line after the (setq eserver ...) line. (process-kill-without-query eserver) Then re-install Emacs.app. Of course you could always just reply "yes" to the prompt. Other packages also show this problem -- eg. ispell. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATION: Printing Large Documents Message-ID: <1993Jul22.175119.16401@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Jul21.204758.12392@kynug.org> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 17:51:19 GMT Neil Greene (neil@kynug.org) wrote: : I have a large document I need to have printed from FrameMaker, front and : back. What recommendations does anyone have to accomplish this?? : I remember seeing a script posted a few weeks ago that would take a : postscript file and allow the printing of every other page or some weird : algorithm to accomplish this. : -- : Neil Greene : President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] : President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. : North American, TIFFany Distributor There are scripts to do this, but if you are thinking of printing all the evens on the back of the odds, don't. Next printers are not designed to have sheets of paper with black stuff on the bottom running past the fuser roller. Some of the stuff comes off on the second pass through. Your best bet is to print normally, then go to a copy center, hand them the stack, and ask for it to be printed simplex->duplex. It will cost you about 5-6 cents per page (similar to what operating your next printer costs) and will save you a bunch of aggravation. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Corel Fonts on Next? Message-ID: <1993Jul22.183126.18028@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 18:31:26 GMT We have Corel Draw running on our PC's. At present we cannot use the Corel postscript fonts, as the Next barfs on any job that includes them. I've tried porting the fonts to the next, but it appears that they are in binary. Does anyone have a receipe for making a Corel Font usable on a Next? -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chuck@benatong.com (Charles G. Bennett) Subject: Re: Lightening Strikes Athena Design Message-ID: <1993Jul21.035613.5580@cypher.cmhnet.org> Sender: chuck@cypher.cmhnet.org Organization: BenaTong, inc. References: <22eeb8$mvi@hermes.athena.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 03:56:13 GMT In article <22eeb8$mvi@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: > Howdy, > > The chances of being struck by lightening are better than winning the lottery. > Athena Design was struck by lightening. It toasted our phone system, our fax > machine, our 10 Base T hubs, and our NetInfo/File server. We recovered > everything except the motherboard in the NetInfo/File server (a 25Mhz '040 > Cube) is flaky. We are looking for an '040 motherboard with no RAM, but will > settle for an '040 cube. Anybody have something to sell? > > Thanks. > > David You ought to consider an APC UPS. They have a two year equipment replacement guarantee that mentions protection agains direct lightning strikes. Should be fun to see them replace a NeXTSTATION AH Haaa. I just realized how to get the NeXT factory back on line :-) Actually there is a dollar limit, but it is still a good deal. Chuck -- Chuck Bennett Karnak the Great: "The answer is Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, Windows NT" The Question is, "Name two movie stars and a Dog.." chuck@benatong.com
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Postscript printing to Epson or IBM pro over NetWare? Date: 22 Jul 1993 19:24:32 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <22mphgINN3eb@clem.handheld.com> Has anyone figured out how to print to one of the two supported non-postscript printers that the NeXT rasters for over Novell NetWare? Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need Help with Emacs.app under emacs-19.16 Date: 22 Jul 1993 19:41:48 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <22mqhs$fgn@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <CAKqJy.7FH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <CEDMAN.93Jul22101902@golem.uci.edu> Cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) wrote... >In article <CAKqJy.7FH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU (Kevin H. Weiss) writes: > I recently upgraded to emacs-19.16 from emacs-18.56. Now I seem to > have some trouble with Emacs.app. In particular, I now get the error > > Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no) > > whenever I try to quit, whether there's anything going or not. > >Fixed in 3.1 (Emacs 3.1, that is). In the meantime you can alter >lisp/eterm-low.el from the Emacs-3.0 distribution. In the function >start-event-server add this line after the (setq eserver ...) line. > > (process-kill-without-query eserver) > >Then re-install Emacs.app. Thanks! I've been constantly annoyed by that same thing myself. Now, what's this about Emacs 3.1? Where can we find this, or is it still pre-release? Don't tempt us like this! It's not nice! Joe :-) -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Basic. Actually, no `---- | programmers write in Basic after the age of 12.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Message-ID: <1993Jul22.142830.1767@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <22kqvr$alb@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 14:28:30 GMT In article <22kqvr$alb@transfer.stratus.com> bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) writes: >| Avie is very smart and does a lot of good work, but comments like this only >serve as a slap in the face to all the other very smart and hardworking folks >NeXT has working for them.I understand that you probably didn't intend it this >way, but this is, in essence, what you've done to those "quiet few" at NEXT >that do read this group. Please try and be more considerate in the future. You are very, very right, and I didn't mean to imply that he's the only talented individual working on the ports. (Unfortunately, I don't know the names of more people or I would have mentioned some more.) But it could certainly tax anyone's abilities to be supervising and working with the other very talented individuals on three, four, or five simultaneous ports. < Sorry to those folks at NeXT who took this the wrong way. I'll buy you folks a case (beer, Jolt, or Snapple, your choice) at Expo next year :) I swear!> -- Jon Hendry It's a thousand classes, give or take a few, <jon@afs.com> I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare Writer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: NextStep for PowerPC chips? Message-ID: <1993Jul22.143816.5357@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <22kqvr$alb@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 14:38:16 GMT In article <1993Jul21.214820.1399@afs.com> jon@afs.com writes: > >Unfortunately, the latest NeXTWorld's rumor column says that all ports > >other than the HP port are on hold until they get Intel going well and > >HP done. > >[munch] > >There's only one Avadis Tevanian, after all. To which Bob Beckwith replied: > Avie is very smart and does a lot of good work, but comments like this > only serve as a slap in the face to all the other very smart and > hardworking folks NeXT has working for them. I understand that you > probably didn't intend it this way, but this is, in essence, what you've > done to those "quiet few" at NEXT that do read this group. Please try > and be more considerate in the future. I'll just step in here and defend Jon for a moment by saying: 1) He always has the best of intentions, and certainly did not mean to demean any of our fine friends at NeXT; 2) Avie's JOB is to be in charge of porting (you could look it up); 3) Almost everyone at NeXT reads the Net; a "quiet few" write back. None have written to Jon complaining about his comments. The fact is, Avie would probably be responsible for ports to other platforms at this point. It's understandable why NeXT wouldn't want to spread him too thin or have too many ports going simultaneously. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
From: hans@symbas.UUCP (Hans Aafloy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <3823@symbas.UUCP> Date: 22 Jul 93 13:43:55 GMT References: <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Organization: Symbiotic Computer Systems A/S, Trondheim, Norway In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > >What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? >-- >Tim Murdoch You must use sir-names, not christian-names. I.e. "armstrong" yields e.g. Neil Armstrong ( that canadian Mars-guy ) Hans
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC --> Marketing in Europe Message-ID: <1278@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 22 Jul 93 21:54:03 GMT References: <22mg2s$2b8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Eric M Hermanson writes > I believe that NeXT marketing in Europe will be handled in part by Canon. > I recieved a response from people at NeXT to my question about who handles > Australian educational sales (i.e. contact people). [some rationale that since Australia is part of Canon's territory, Europe must be too]. Eric, First of all, it is rarely if ever appropriate to post the contents of someone's Email to you (the helpful person at NeXT who answered your query). Second, Canon has traditionally had rights to the "Pacific" market, including Asia, Japan, Singapore, and probably Australia and New Zealand. If you look carefully at your globe, you'll see that Australia is not part of Europe, nor even particularly nearby. They are different markets, and Canon will not (as far as I know) be participating in the European market. I think you drew an erroneous conclusion from the mail about Australia. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: dmb@xbar.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) Newsgroups: rec.games.int-fiction,rec.games.misc,comp.sys.mac.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.linux,rec.games.programmer Subject: The Unnkulian Unventures: Now with Oat Bran! Followup-To: rec.games.int-fiction Date: 23 Jul 1993 02:33:04 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Message-ID: <22nil0INNcpc@life.ai.mit.edu> Summary: Unnkulia One-Half and Unnkulia Zero available now! Keywords: text adventures interactive fiction unnkulian unventure games [New this time: Unnkulia Zero is now available for Macintoshes!] The Unnkulian Unventure Series Adventure Games for the 90's Remember the good old days, when adventure games challenged you with great puzzles and evocative descriptions without resorting to any graphics at all? We really miss that emphasis on gameplay rather than glitz, so we've decided to write our own adventure games along the lines of the early text games we liked so much. If you're looking for top-quality interactive fiction comparable to 1980's commercial offerings, check out the Unnkulian Unventure series, available from an archive site near you! In _Unnkulian Underworld: The Unknown Unventure_ you play the part of Kuulest's slave, and must recover the Orb of Studosity from the evil Unnkulians. Kuulest, the old geezebag, has died and left you with nothing to go on but a cryptic message about saving the planet. You'll encounter amazing Acme products, the infamous Guardian, those witty creatures known as Drolls, a giant beaver, and even the Dread Unnkulian Warrior. <Gasp!> In _Unnkulian Unventure II: The Secret of Acme_ your adventure continues as you try to create some good press for yourself -- wouldn't want to fade into anonymous obscurity, now would you? Along the way, you'll find the answers to these compelling questions, and more: o What happened to the Unnkulians? o Why are Acme products so bad? o What is this cheez stuff, really? Plus, you'll get to explore Dawg Rock, a Duhdist Retreat, Acme's clandestine prototypes laboratory, and even pay a visit to Acme HQ. In _Unnkulia One-Half: The Salesman Triumphant_, you'll play the role of a down-and-out Acme salesman, forced to work out of the Golden Dragon Inn, dangerously near Dread Unnkulia. Will you accumulate enough loot in this frightful backwater berg to turn your fortunes in your favor? And, in _Unnkulia Zero: The Search for Amanda_, will you, the Valley King's most trusted warrior, rescue his Lady Amanda from the gruesome clutches of the evil Unnkulians? Along the way to victory (or, <shudder>, defeat!), you will: o Find out about the ancient days of the Valley, o Meet the King's faithful (but not so bright) Valley Patrol, o Explore *beautiful* Lake Draounheer, o Discover the ancient burial ground of your ancestors, o Become frustrated with the pesky Stoll and his Stoll Bridge, and, of course, o Meet that wondrously wacky Wowsa Willy! The Unnkulian Unventures have already gotten rave reviews from numerous adventure game connoisseurs around the world, so why not give them a try? The games are available for FTP from the if-archive at ftp.gmd.de. (Note that the site wuarchive.wustl.edu keeps a mirror of the if-archive in the mirrors directory.) PC and compatibles (running DOS): --------------------------------- if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnk1v30.zip if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnk2v30.zip if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnkhz10.zip Macintosh: ---------- if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk1v30.sit.bin if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk2v30.sit.bin if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnkhz10.sit.bin (These are MacBinary files.) if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk1v30.sit.hqx if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk2v30.sit.hqx if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnkhz10.sit.hqx (These are Binhexed Stuffit 1.5.1 files.) Others: ------- TADS now runs on lots of different systems. Because of this, we have TADS .GAM-file only archives that can be used with any machine that runs TADS. The tricky bit is that before you can play the games, you need to get the TADS run-time for your machine. Fortunately, this isn't hard to do. Just grab the TADS executable package for your machine from the if-archive: Atari ST/TT/Falcon: if-archive/programming/tads/atari.tads2exe.arc Sun Sparcstation (SunOS): if-archive/programming/tads/sparc.tads2exe.tar.Z Sun 3: if-archive/programming/tads/sun3.tads2exe.tar.Z DECstation (MIPS) running Ultrix: if-archive/programming/tads/decmips.tads2exe.tar.Z SGI (Iris/Indigo) running Irix: if-archive/programming/tads/sgi-irix.tads2exe.tar.Z Linux (386): if-archive/programming/tads/linux.tads2exe.tar.Z NeXT: if-archive/programming/tads/NeXT.tads2exe.tar.Z Amiga, other Unix: In the works! Once you have TADS running on your system, you can get the games: if-archive/games/adventions/others/uu1v301.tar.Z if-archive/games/adventions/others/uu2v30.tar.Z if-archive/games/adventions/others/unnkhz10.tar.Z The file How-To-Run-These-Games in the same directory gives your more information. NOTE: The source to TADS 2 is not distributable. However, if your machine isn't on the list yet, and you would like to volunteer to port TADS 2 to it, send email about it to Mike Roberts <mroberts@hinrg.starconn.com>. Porting to Unix-like systems is fairly trivial. *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* Unnkulian Unventures I and II are shareware ($10 registration fee each); registering gets you spiffy maps and agony-sparing hint sheets. Unnkulia One-Half is free -- don't pay us for it! Unnkulia Zero is US$25 and is available via mail order from ADVENTIONS or via phone (credit card order) through High Energy Software. Unnkulia One-Half comes with a playable demo of Unnkulia Zero, which includes information on how to order the complete version. Happy adventioning! Dave Baggett ADVENTIONS Internet: dmb@ai.mit.edu Compuserve: 76440,2671 GEnie: ADVENTIONS A Word About TADS ----------------- We at ADVENTIONS use a programming language called TADS to write our games. TADS is a product of High Energy Software, and you can get it via FTP. TADS (and TADS goodies) are available for many systems from ftp.gmd.de. Look in the if-archive/programming/tads directory. TADS is also shareware, and we strongly encourage you to register it if you use it, since we feel it is a powerful, innovative, and very inexpensive development system that deserves to be paid for. __ dmb@ai.mit.edu Boot up, log in, drop out. MIT AI Lab ADVENTIONS: We make Kuul text adventures! Ask about Unnkulian 1, 2, 0, 1/2 PO Box 851 Columbia, MD 21044 USA / CIS: 76440,2671 / GEnie: ADVENTIONS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul22.143016.18706@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation References: <1993Jul20.174820.6278@trimark.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 14:30:16 GMT Another cool index error is a search on "virginiapolytechnicinstandstate". Jason In article <1993Jul20.174820.6278@trimark.com> shayman@Trimark.com writes: > Hey gang, the Webster index has had bugs in it since at least release 0.9. > (F'rinstance look up "test" or any 4 letter word that ends in "est"). > > It's not really news when you find something that's mis-indexed. (What > would be news if you found an old indexing error that had been corrected!) > > Regards, > steve > > P.S. yes I have reported the "test" indexing bug, at least 4 times. -- Jason D. Blue NeXT Network and Systems Administrator The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA jblue@mitre.org (NeXT Mail Encouraged!) TIP#081
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: Dimming Display on Cube Message-ID: <1993Jul23.044107.697@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <22gv6c$e87@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 04:41:07 GMT In article <22gv6c$e87@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> cmc@ltp.bcm.tmc.edu (Costa Colbert) writes: -> -> The display on my cube at work is getting dimmer by the week. -> -> Can the monitors be fixed ? By whom ? How much ? Can you do it yourself ? -> This may be a FAQ by now. Sorry if it is... -> -> Costa Colbert The monitor can have new electrodes placed into the tube but CAUTION the same glass is used by other monitors requiring a higher voltage. Be sure the CORRECT ones are installed. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com Total System Software the makers of DFax for NEXTSTEP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Gateway shipped CDROM? Message-ID: <1993Jul23.044714.768@ToTSySSoft.com> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 04:47:14 GMT Can FIP access the CD-ROM drive which is the ``default'' setup shipped for NEXTSTEP from Gateway? It appears to be IDE. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: webster weirdness! (The TRUTH is revealed) Message-ID: <1993Jul23.045519.832@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <1993Jul21.140853.7205@news.uta.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 04:55:19 GMT In article <1993Jul21.140853.7205@news.uta.edu> phoskins@arrinext.uta.edu (Paul Hoskins) writes: [snip] -> neil is just short for "newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea" -> which is the name for -> New York C. of Environmental Science and Forestry, ->State U. of Syracuse Yet in the Compact Dictionary, a lookup for prefix OR whole word for neil gives... Correction? neck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaya@trystero.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) Subject: Re: Information on Steve Jobs? Message-ID: <CALIpE.2uw@trystero.com> Organization: The Trystero System (617) 625-7155 v.32/v.42bis References: <yogi.743343791@csa> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 02:24:47 GMT In article <yogi.743343791@csa> yogi@csa.cs.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil) writes: >I am looking for information (electronic or other) on the >early days of S.J in apple startup. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! You could try _Steve Jobs - The Journey Is The Reward_ by Jeffrey S. Young. Lynx Books, NY; ISBN 1-55802-378-X; $4.95, 467pgs. This book is very detailed, with lots of quotes and references. This is the only SJ book I've read; basically it tells about Steve's arrogance, drive, et cetera - it kind of casts him in a bad light. > >-- >Joseph (Yossi) Gil yogi@TECHSEL.BITNET >The Faculty of Computer Science yogi@cs.technion.ac.il >Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology Tel: +972-4-29-4265 >Technion City, Haifa 32000, Israel Fax: +972-4-29-4353 -- kaya bekiroglu >|< "Help! I'm trapped in a computer factory!" kaya@trystero.com <|> "Then hit the 'escape' key, you fool!"
From: ccwf@gg.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Better Grays out of the NLP (long) Date: 23 Jul 1993 10:59:47 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <22ogb3INN5eg@gap.caltech.edu> References: <CAFJp2.AKz@world.std.com> <1993Jul20.222549.3842@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <22m6o6$eq4@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> >Sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) wrote... >>Chris Lloyd (lloyd@world.std.com) wrote: >>: Has anyone come up with a way to get nicer looking grayscales out of the >>: NeXT Laser Printer? The Default ones look like crud, the dots in the >>: half-tone patterns are huge-ola. >> >>You can play with the setscreen command. Getting to know the setscreen command is certainly worthwhile. It is quite versatile, and the determination of the best screen for a given picture is still largely a matter of intuition/trial-and-error (there is no surefire algorithm). Since the screen uses DPS, you can also use setscreen to affect the way the screen dithers images. (Some people using scientific apps have complained about wanting to turn off dithering of colors in graphs and so forth. This can be done with the setscreen operator.) See the Red book, _Adobe Accurate Screens_, _Digital Halftoning_, and many recent theses for more than you ever wanted to know about the esoteric art of screens. However, for _most_ pictures (not all--no single algorithm works best for all pictures), I find that the best looking results on the NLP are achieved by scaling up the number of dots in the picture by 400/current DPI with a good scaling algorithm, setting the DPI to 400, error-diffusing the picture to black and white, and printing the error-diffused result. The halftone screen will, of course, not matter if you use this algorithm since half tone screens don't affect black and white images. The same goes for other non-continuous tone printers with 400 replaced by whatever the appropriate DPI is for that printer. This will produce especially good results if you are concerned with small details or banding. Also, note that the gamma of the screen and the printer are not the same. Therefore, as I am sure you have already noticed, an intermediate gray value on the screen probably won't look the same as when printed (this is supposed to be better for some images under 3.x). Depending on the screen or error-diffusion used, your grays may look lighter or darker than you might expect. This is most easily fixed with a gamma correction filter, although this is not the "best" way to do it if you are concerned with ultra-high image quality (the best way is to play around with the setscreen operator or hand code an error-diffusion to come up with an algorithm which implicitly incorporates your desired gamma). -ccwf Charles C. Fu Computer Consultant and "Imaging Expert" :-) a principle author of Pixel Magician author of Pixel Magician's error-diffusion routines P.S. Although the algorithm above will produce fantastic looking results from a linotronic, the linotronic output is not the final result. What happens to lino output usually destroys all high res information so that error-diffusion, while usually not harmful in this case, will result in needless extra CPU time for the printer. This wasn't what you were asking, but I thought it might be interesting, and I wanted to provide an example where the above algorithm wasn't the way to go. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Charles C. Fu |Send replies to Consultant at Large | ccwf@gg.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Message-ID: <CAMEL1.9on@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Jul23.044714.768@ToTSySSoft.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 13:53:24 GMT In <1993Jul23.044714.768@ToTSySSoft.com> bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) writes: >Can FIP access the CD-ROM drive which is the ``default'' >setup shipped for NEXTSTEP from Gateway? It appears to be >IDE. If it is IDE, it will not work. When ordering a system from Gateway, make sure that you tell them it is for NEXTSTEP. I was under the impression that they ship SCSI CD internally and the Adaptec card. There would be no problem with this. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -G.Kawasaki
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis Lafont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC --> Marketing in Europe Date: 23 Jul 1993 15:05:56 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <22ouok$a93@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> > But in fact, people wants to know that NeXT Inc is alive, and happy to know that three distributors and 20 > Resellers want to fulfill their needs. Yes people wants to know. But the more important is that people must KNOW NS, see a marketing "presence". The problem of NS here is that is just a few of "NS addicts" who knows NS. After having worked for some big customers, I saw more than before than NS can fullfit some needs of this customers (client/server, database, etc..). But you can not sell something just with sentences like "it is the best...., we believe..you will see". People must see NeXTSTEP everywhere...of course it expensive... Of course it costs to be helpful with journalists, to be present to any trade-show (with more than a 10 squerred meters stall !! ;-)), and to train people to discuss on NT, Spring or any other competitors. But it is the price, ne ? (to be pronounce with the canadian accent, you know, these canadians who never see NeXT in any trade-show...!!...;-() > They don't care of only NeXT Europe, with nobody speaking french, local VAD and You)ve got the point (as usual.....;-)) > NeXT Europe will hire a marketing manager devoted to NS in France. I'm waiting > for that guy, as if it was a prophet. (Not God himself ;-) I am sure you already know that guy ...;-)... And I am waiting for him too.... Cheers, Denis ###A -- _________________________________________________________________ Denis LAFONT, Software Engineer e-mail : cs438@cleveland.freenet.edu -no NeXT Mail please ;-(- Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed are mine.
From: mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Date: 23 Jul 1993 17:26:18 GMT Organization: Mills College, Oakland CA Message-ID: <22p6vq$hhf@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide >Can FIP access the CD-ROM drive which is the ``default'' >setup shipped for NEXTSTEP from Gateway? No. It's an IDE drive, and you need a SCSI drive. >Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com Mitch Gass
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXSystemFonts definition in X11 Date: 23 Jul 1993 16:34:23 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <22p3uf$k72@ecifs2.ucsb.edu> References: <22cu3d$11sr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> In article <22cu3d$11sr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) writes: ] ] I grabbed the X11 server off of foxtrot and it seems to have installed ] fine. However, whenever I start the X server (and two xterms), the ] following two messages get appened to /usr/adm/messages: ] ] syslog: Couldn't find default font for default NXSystemFonts ] syslog: Couldn't find default font for default NXBoldSystemFonts ] ] I have looked in my Next resources (thru dread -l) and my .Xdefaults ] file and I find no references to these fonts. I tried to make aliases ] to them in a fonts.alias (along with xset and mkfontdir etc) file and ] still no luck (xlsfonts would show font names nxsystemfonts and ] nxboldsystemfonts in all lowercase). ] ] The fonts on many applications seem screwed up when viewed on my NeXT. ] I checked the FAQs but couldn't find anything helpful. Anybody know how ] to correct this? ] ] Many thanks for any responses! ] ] - Steve Ignore this error. It is caused by the XNextPaste utility program that runs concurrently with the X front end. It is a NextStep error, and not an X error. I have not been able to figure out what causes it -- is is some kind of leftover from the 2.1 version. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD-ROM drives Message-ID: <69559@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 Jul 93 17:30:43 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Center for Automation Research, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Which CD-ROM drives are acceptable for NS/i ? I heard they must by SCSI compliant. What does that mean exactly ? Do I have to buy an extra SCSI controller just for it, or could I use the one for the HD (assuming it's a SCSI HD) ? Greg. ****************************************************************************** * Gregory Baratoff e-mail : baratoff@cfar.umd.edu * * Center for Automation Research * * University of Maryland * * College Park, MD 20742 * ******************************************************************************
From: baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: modems Message-ID: <69560@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 Jul 93 17:34:21 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Center for Automation Research, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Which modems are acceptable for NS/i ? Can I use a 2400 modem, or does it have to be 14.4K (or 9600) ? Thanks, Greg. ****************************************************************************** * Gregory Baratoff e-mail : baratoff@cfar.umd.edu * * Center for Automation Research * * University of Maryland * * College Park, MD 20742 * ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: GS Corporation GOLDLEAF moved Message-ID: <CAKzqB.98@califhistsoc.org> Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org (one) Organization: California Historical Society - Bringing the 19th Century, kicking and screaming, into the 21st! 415 567-1848 or fax 415 567-2394. Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 19:34:59 GMT lbrahman@du.edu asked: >Does anyone know the phone/fax/e-mail address of GOLDLEAF PUBLISHING >in Larkspur California? > >It seems that they have moved to a new address and there is no recording. For all else who might want to know--- GS Corporation 929 Sir Francis Drake Boulevard MailStop C342 Kentfield, CA 94904 phone: (415) 257-4700 order Products (800) 999-8844 fax (415) 257-4707 e-mail: info@goldleaf.com They gave a presentation 7-21-93 at BaNG. I'm sure there are opinions if one is seeking such...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: "neil" in Webster Message-ID: <1993Jul23.045822.890@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <CAFxAw.5MJ@califhistsoc.org> Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 04:58:22 GMT Whoops, my previous post was in the Thesarus... Here's Compact Dictionary for neil... Correction? neichiang neigh neighbor neighbored neighborhood neighboring neighborliness neighborly neighbour neijiang neilson neimonggol neimonggolsee neisse neither neitherfishnorfowl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sysadmin From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Flatbed Scanners Message-ID: <CAMFnt.1qD@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 14:16:41 GMT What do I need to do to get a SCSI flatbed scanner to work on my cube? I can get an Abaton 300/S16 or a 300/GS real cheap and I'd like to know what I have to do to get it to work? I know Abaton is no more, it was adivision of Everex but at the price I'm the scanner I don't care. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jybarnes@cs.umr.edu (Jym Barnes) Subject: Information needed on $299.00 Nextstep for x86 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 19:13:16 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1993Jul23.191316.1998@umr.edu>
From: baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Message-ID: <69565@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 Jul 93 20:17:26 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Center for Automation Research, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 A couple of days ago I posted the following message : >I am considering buying a 486 machine to run NS. >I haven't made up my mind as to which machine it will be, >so I'd like to call up some companies to check out their offers. >Since NS 3.1 imposes some restrictions on the kind of peripherals >that can be used, I would like to get in touch with sales/tech persons >who are familiar with NS and its requirements. > >If you know of any such person (at Gateway, Dell, NEC, etc), please send >me their name, company, phone/fax (+extension #), email. > >Since this is of potential interest to many netters, I will post a summary >to this Newsgroup. > > Thanks, Greg. > Here's a summary of the answers I got : Company : Advance2000 Inc Address : Buffalo, NY Phone : 1-800-9ADVANCE Contact : Doug or Brian Company : Alpine Computing Address : Salt Lake City, UT Phone : (801) 268-8877 Contact : Kris Magnusson Email : yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Kris' email) Company : Continental Computer Systems Address : Hartford, CT Phone : 1-800-776-8649 Contact : Jim Pinto (sales, ext. 133) Joe Bacher (NS support, ext. 137) Company : GEC computers Address : Phone : 1-800-486-1500 Contact : Jeannie Company : Tri-star Computers Address : Chandler, AZ Phone : (602) 961-3401 Contact : Bob Padua (ext. 4459) (call 1pm - 5pm) Company : TCS Consulting Services Address : Saint Paul, MN Phone : (612) 771-3830 Contact : Gregory Youngblood email : tcs-systems-info@tcscs.com Company : Workstation 2000 Address : Fallbrook, CA Phone : (619) 723-4827 Fax : (619) 723-4392 Contact : Tim Finn email : tfinn@cerf.net (might not work anymore) Company : Gateway 2000 Phone : 1-800-846-2042 Contact : Andy Edlund (ext. 5401) I haven't tried out all of these, I'm just passing them on. ****************************************************************************** * Gregory Baratoff e-mail : baratoff@cfar.umd.edu * * Center for Automation Research * * University of Maryland * * College Park, MD 20742 * ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: jybarnes@cs.umr.edu (Jym Barnes) Subject: Info needed on $299.00 deal for Nextstep x86 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 18:58:36 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1993Jul23.185836.1704@umr.edu> Hi, I have a couple of questions about the $299.00 price for Nextstep for 80x86. 1) Is the price still $299.00? 2) When does this offer expire? 3) Is Nextstep stable (basically bug free) on 80x86? 4) How do I contact Next to order? 5) What does $299.00 get me, X-Windows, TCPIP, NFS? or what does it not get me? 6) What is the price of a complete packages? I believe it is referred to as the development package. Please send any information to barnes@tweety.digsys.com. Thanks a ton, -Jym- ******************************************************************************* * * James Barnes Phone: 314-232-6833 * Fax: 314-234-3186 * *******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: jybarnes@cs.umr.edu (Jym Barnes) Subject: Info needed about $299.00 Nextstep for x86 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 18:53:40 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1993Jul23.185340.1603@umr.edu> Hi, I have a couple of questions about the $299.00 price for Nextstep for 80x86. 1) Is the price still $299.00? 2) When does this offer expire? 3) Is Nextstep stable (basically bug free) on 80x86? 4) How do I contact Next to order? 5) What does $299.00 get me, X-Windows, TCPIP, NFS? or what does it not get me? 6) What is the price of a complete packages? I believe it is referred to as the development package. Please send any information to barnes@tweety.digsys.com. Thanks a ton, -Jym- ******************************************************************************* * * James Barnes Phone: 314-232-6833 * Fax: 314-234-3186 * *******************************************************************************
From: dittrich@stein2.u.washington.edu (Dave Dittrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bug in sendmail under NS 3.0? Date: 23 Jul 1993 21:33:25 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <22plf5$43e@news.u.washington.edu> I am trying to set up a program designed to process email messages automtically for automating and tracking help desk messages. I have been encountering a problem indicated by this message: ... ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: 24739 Memory fault 554 "|/usr/redusers/qna/bin/qna -t testers@3pin.cac.washington.edu -r helptest@3 pin.cac.washington.edu"... 554 unknown mailer error 139 ----- Unsent message follows ----- ... Some of the messages make it through fine, and others produce this message. Does anyone know what consitutes a "Memory fault" in the Borne Shell and what I can do to get around (or debug) this problem? You can reply to me via email at dittrich@cac.washington.edu, since I don't frequent these particular newsgroups. Thanks in advance.
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT cube sighting?! Date: 23 Jul 1993 21:31:52 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <22plc8$qdr@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: Borg This probably doesn't qualify as a genuine NeXT cube sighting, but for you Trekkies out there, SHUANG@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca says: <Editor's note: Notice how Steve JOBS' computer, the NeXT Cubes look allot like Borg ships? Coincidence? I think not...> -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Info needed about $299.00 Nextstep for x86 Message-ID: <1993Jul23.222643.1344@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jul23.185340.1603@umr.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 93 22:26:43 GMT Jym Barnes writes > I have a couple of questions about the $299.00 price for Nextstep for 80x86. > > 1) Is the price still $299.00? I believe the $299 evaluation price goes until July 31. Since you're at an edu address, I presume you'd also qualify for a $249 price for the user+developer bundle. The two bundles differ a little, other than in price: With the edu bundle, you cannot sell software you develop commercially, but you get a free upgrade to 3.2 when it ships. With the evaluation bundle, you can sell whatever you want, but there's no free upgrade. > 2) When does this offer expire? Full user system, full developer system. All docs for the user system, on-line docs only for the dev tools (and a coupon for 50% off the printed docs if you want them). The evaluation bundle also includes a (very good) book on NS programming. > 3) Is Nextstep stable (basically bug free) on 80x86? Yes. Remember its version 3.1 of the OS. The single major problem that's been reported is problems with the serial drivers; that's being worked on. Note however that installation requirements are pretty stiff; once you get it working, it works well. Mileage on getting to work in the first place has varied. You shouldn't have any problems if you get one of the pre-installed systems from Dell, Compaq, or several other vendors. > 4) How do I contact Next to order? 1-800-TRY-NEXT is a good place to start. > 5) What does $299.00 get me, X-Windows, TCPIP, NFS? > or what does it not get me? You get all the standard Unix tools, including TCP/IP, but not X windows. There are several commercial and PD X windows solutions for NS; I'm not sure what their status with respect to NS/I is. > 6) What is the price of a complete packages? I believe > it is referred to as the development package. The $299 is for the complete package (as is the $249 edu). Basically, there's a User system and a developer package. I think the street price for both is around $2,000 (roughly $500 user + $1,00 developer; I could be off by a couple hundred, though). So either of the bundles is an amazing deal. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Port to HP PA-RISC? Message-ID: <1993Jul23.225811.1315@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 22:58:11 GMT Has anyone published a timeframe for the port of NeXTstep to the HP PA-RISC platform? If so, when might the port be available? -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 23:22:08 GMT What happened to the drive to buy some additional disk capacity for nova? I recall pledging a contribution to the cause, but apparently the movement never got off the ground. From recent communications with Allen B., it seems like space is still a problem. I'm still willing to contribute to buy more disk space - is there a collection underway that isn't being publicized? If not, can we get things rolling again and restore "free breathing" to the wheezing nova? If 50 people contributed $20 apiece that would buy a used 1 GB drive. I personally get at least that much benefit from nova (or at least I used to before it stopped working) since I'm not on the net and can't access it via ftp. Hopefully 49 other NeXT users get similar benefits. How about it? John Bartley john@wpa.com
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with DiskEjectFix.daemon Date: 24 Jul 1993 02:37:28 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <22q798$ssp@news.acns.nwu.edu> Hi, Just upgrade to NS3.1 and thought the DiskEjectFix.daemon may not be needed any more. Ever since I remove it, I keep getting the error in the console which annoys me a lot. Software Version 3.1 (Lightning4H) Jul 23 21:22:53 Workspace: Cannot exec /usr/local/bin/DiskEjectFix.daemon: (not a valid program) Should I put the daemon back on track? Has the DiskEject problem in 3.0 being fixed yet in 3.1 or not? Thanks, -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: charles@raiders.sps.mot.com (Charles Chan) Subject: Can a Mac/PC use NeXT's Color Monitor? Message-ID: <1993Jul23.233546.2770@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: news@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 23:35:46 GMT Hi, there, I would like to know if there is a way for My Mac/PC to use NeXT's color monitor. Thanks in advance. Charles ------- charles@raiders.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Message-ID: <CAno5w.FB3@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Jul23.044714.768@ToTSySSoft.com> <CAMEL1.9on@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1993 06:17:56 GMT In article <CAMEL1.9on@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) writes: [ ] > >>Can FIP access the CD-ROM drive which is the ``default'' >>setup shipped for NEXTSTEP from Gateway? It appears to be >>IDE. > >If it is IDE, it will not work. When ordering a system from Gateway, make sure >that you tell them it is for NEXTSTEP. I was under the impression that they >ship SCSI CD internally and the Adaptec card. There would be no problem with >this. While this is quite true, I would suggest that the user tell NeXT that they will not buy into NS/I as long as NeXT continues this crazy obssesion with SCSI CD-ROM's, while supporting IDE LB hard drives. It's just stupid. One can get a Sound Blaster Pro (also not supported)+ Philips Photo CD reader for under $300 US in Toronto. Why would one go with a PAS-16 and its hassles ( and no better sound) and IDE and Adaptec SCSI and SCSI CD-ROM? Damn it. Even if NeXT insists on the PAS-16 ( a mediocre sound card) then have them at least support the PAS16's SCSI interface. A better solution is to support the Sound Blaster and an IDE CD-ROM. Why can't Unix people understand that SCSI is simply not important yet on PC's? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Message-ID: <CAnoBB.FE2@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <22p6vq$hhf@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1993 06:21:11 GMT In article <22p6vq$hhf@agate.berkeley.edu> mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) writes: >>Can FIP access the CD-ROM drive which is the ``default'' >>setup shipped for NEXTSTEP from Gateway? > >No. It's an IDE drive, and you need a SCSI drive. Then I strongly suggest that the user cancel the order and tell NeXT that they won't switch until NeXT supports the most common form of PC CD-ROM reader. Why incresae costs by $500? [and hassles with IDE and SCSI] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Date: 24 Jul 1993 02:30:33 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Message-ID: <22qvfp$gmg@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> References: <1993Jul23.044714.768@ToTSySSoft.com> <CAMEL1.9on@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <CAno5w.FB3@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide In article <CAno5w.FB3@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > >While this is quite true, I would suggest that the user tell NeXT that they >will not buy into NS/I as long as NeXT continues this crazy obssesion with >SCSI CD-ROM's, while supporting IDE LB hard drives. It's just stupid. One >can get a Sound Blaster Pro (also not supported)+ Philips Photo CD reader >for under $300 US in Toronto. Why would one go with a PAS-16 and its >hassles ( and no better sound) and IDE and Adaptec SCSI and SCSI CD-ROM? >Damn it. Even if NeXT insists on the PAS-16 ( a mediocre sound card) then >have them at least support the PAS16's SCSI interface. > >can't Unix people understand that SCSI is simply not important yet on PC's? > >-- You can't just support an ide cd rom. Man of these cd-roms need special drivers, different when run under windows, OS/2 or MSDOS. Thus, next would have to have different drivers (something they are sorely lacking now!) for these different cd-roms. far simpler to just use scsi disks which don't need separate drivers. It's annoying that the cheapo cd-roms don't work with 3.1, but hey, most or the ide cd roms seems to be pretty crummy, none that I've heard of being as nice the cd 300. Of course, the same problem works with scsi. There's a well defined protocal from scsi device to the scsi card, but you need drivers for the damn scsi cards! That's the reason that not many scsi cards are supported, but lots of scsi DEVICES are. -nick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Software for ND Message-ID: <CAKKsH.AD@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 14:12:16 GMT What software, public domain or comrecial, is available to do cool stuff on a NeXTDimension? I now have a ND system and want to play around with some video stuff. Is there anything available that will allow you to overlay computer images with the live video, etc? Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Date: Sat, 24 Jul 93 13:12:51 CDT Organization: University of Missouri Message-ID: <16C15B9D8.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> References: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> In article <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > I'm still willing to contribute to >buy more disk space . . . . > >How about it? > >John Bartley >john@wpa.com Count me in too. Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 24 Jul 93 10:22:26 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul24.102226.27704@crash> References: <69565@mimsy.umd.edu> Based on the favorable reports from USENET, we called Kris Magnusson at Alpine Computing MicroAge in Utah. He was very helpful and obviously was knowledgable about NEXTSTEP, which was a welcome surprise. We went through several conversations before agreeing to buy an Intel GX Professional workstation with NS/I preinstalled. We'd made it clear how critical it was that we get a machine before the weekend, so we could use it on a project over the weekend. He assured us numerous times that he would be available for technical support on Friday 23 July. The machine shipped overnight and arrived on Friday 23 July. I was dismayed to discover that there were no owner's manuals or other documentation, no warranty cards, no NOTHING other than the Intel box and a bag with some Intel DOS driver floppies. Mr. Magnusson had told me to call if we had ANY problems. One of the reasons we agreed to buy the machine was his promises to help out and his concern for making sure we were happy with the machine. He had even offered to include an Adaptec 1542C card as a loaner just to make sure everything worked smoothly. We were impressed. We did have problems. The damn machine wouldn't boot. It kept hanging when getting to the Ethernet card (we had bought an Intel EtherExpress card from Magnusson and had him install it). During the NEXTSTEP boot process it would say "Press Control-C" to skip past the network, or whatever the message is. Control-C didn't work. NOTHING worked. So I removed the EtherExpress card and tried rebooting. Now I got system panics and "type 'c' to continue" -- which I did, and it only resulted in more "type 'c' to continue" messages. Well, we called Alpine Computing, and guess what. Mr. Magnusson is on vacation. AFTER HE TOLD US HE WOULD BE THERE FRIDAY TO HELP US OUT. We left messages, we had other people at Alpine leave messages at his home. No luck. We have yet to hear from him. I asked to speak to the manager. He's out too. Something about some state holiday in Utah (Pioneer Day??). And guess what. No-one else at Alpine knows ANYTHING about NEXTSTEP. He also told us we were buying a 340MB SCSI hard disk. That's what it says on the receipt. Well, it's a 329MB drive. That might not mean much of a difference to you, but with NEXTSTEP I need all the room I can get, and he should have told me the real capacity. (I know all about formatted vs unformatted -- I was led to believe it was a real 340MB formatted capacity). We are not happy with Alpine so far. We feel like we got a demo model. We feel like we were lied to. I regret not buying a NeXTstation Turbo Color. They work, Intel equipment doesn't. Sigh. -- brian dear coconut computing, inc. la jolla, ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Message-ID: <1993Jul23.115445.869@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2374@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 11:54:45 GMT In article <2374@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) writes: > > One comment often made is that the swapfile will never shrink. > This is not true, at least on a 3.0 station. When I run a music > editor with an 80 MB file, do _absolutely_nothing_else_, save, > (make tea) and quit, a terrible rattling noise goes on for about > two minutes, during which the machine does not respond to anything. > Afterwards the swapfile is back at 16MB. > > Note hat this only seems to work if no other process allocated > memory in the meantime - even the scrollbackbuffer of Terminal. > It is thus of very limited practical relevance. > The swapfile-implementation by NeXT is a hack which doesn't seem to become improved. I cannot see much logic in it. Its true, sometimes you can see that your swapfile shrinks a little bit (a few MB only). Most of the time this wouldn't happen at all. Do some experiment: Swap away that your swapfile grows. Then log out, go down to the console, thus leaving NeXTSTep and the windowserver. Become root and start killing almost all processes: Still your swapfile is as big (or almost as big) as it was before. It seems that once the lowat has been reached, the swapfile starts growing and growing, even if there is not much swapping taking place. A hiwat doesn't help much: It just crashes the machine :-( I have the impression, that compressed swapfiles are (sometimes) worse: While the compression does indeed prevent swapfile growth for a longer time, once the limit is reached it grows even faster. It seems that there is some kind of 'memory-leak' in the swapfile implementation. Is there any Mach-specialist around who can give us some detailed explanation ?? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: Port to HP PA-RISC? Message-ID: <1993Jul24.182824.571@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1993Jul23.225811.1315@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1993 18:28:24 GMT In article <1993Jul23.225811.1315@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > Has anyone published a timeframe for the port of NeXTstep to > the HP PA-RISC platform? If so, when might the port be available? Official word on commercial availability is 2Q94 for the complete native port, 4Q93 for Portable Distributed Objects. Assume selected beta sites will be seeing code about 3 months before that. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 24 Jul 93 11:56:40 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul24.115640.1094@crash> References: <1993Jul24.102226.27704@crash> Followup to my flame on Alpine Computing. Mr. Magnusson called our office today, Saturday, from his home, and helped answer my questions and resolve my problems. I want the Net to know I am a satisfied customer of Alpine and now have the Intel GX machine working. Mr. Magnusson has gone out of his way to help and we appreciate that. I wish, however, these computer stores had _several_ knowledgable NEXTSTEP persons on staff, as we probably wouldn't have had these problems. Hopefully as NEXTSTEP grows in market share, this will come about. Anyways, back to work, and I hope other Net users will consider Alpine. -- brian dear coconut computing, inc. la jolla, ca :
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Message-ID: <1993Jul24.200144.22715@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <69565@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1993 20:01:44 GMT In article <69565@mimsy.umd.edu> baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) writes: > > Company : Alpine Computing > Address : Salt Lake City, UT > Phone : (801) 268-8877 > Contact : Kris Magnusson > Email : yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Kris' email) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When I sent mail to this address, it bounced back -- no such user known. Worse, when I sent mail to kris@doberman.com (an address on a fax I received from him in June), it also bounced -- unknown user! Dick Silbar
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Date: 24 Jul 1993 22:29:27 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <22sd47$1vm@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <2374@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> <1993Jul23.115445.869@gamelan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) writes: >The swapfile-implementation by NeXT is a hack which doesn't seem to >become improved. I cannot see much logic in it. Its true, sometimes you Yet another thing that's been improved in 3.1. My swapfiles aren't growing out of bounds anymore. (Actually, it seems as if all they did was to turn on the swaptimizer all the time, but it works...). Marcel
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem with DiskEjectFix.daemon Date: 24 Jul 1993 22:30:40 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <22sd6h$gbh@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <22q798$ssp@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Just upgrade to NS3.1 and thought the DiskEjectFix.daemon may not > be needed any more. Ever since I remove it, I keep getting the error in > the console which annoys me a lot. > > Software Version 3.1 (Lightning4H) > Jul 23 21:22:53 Workspace: > Cannot exec /usr/local/bin/DiskEjectFix.daemon: > (not a valid program) You're getting this error message because the daemon is listed, by name, as something that should be executed when you log in. Now that you have destroyed the file, the workspace can not find it, and thus complains that the program can not be executed. You need to change the appropriate value in the defaults database (note that each user has their own defaults database). Start up Terminal.app to get a Unix window, and then type in the command: dread Workspace LaunchPaths If you get back the following: Workspace LaunchPaths /usr/local/bin/DiskEjectFix.daemon then you only have one program in the list of things to execute at login. In that case, type the following command: dremove WorkSpace LaunchPaths You may already have more than one program in that list. If you do, they will be separated by ";"'s. Eg: Workspace LaunchPaths /usr/local/bin/DiskEjectFix.daemon;/Other.one In that case you need to write a new value of the default with the DiskEject daemon removed. To match the above example, for instance, you would have to type: dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths /Other.one It wouldn't surprise me if there are easier ways to do this, but I don't know if you have the programs which would make it easy. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Re: NS on IBM Thinkpad? Message-ID: <1993Jul25.014923.3350@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> <1993Jul15.160812.37295@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 93 01:49:23 GMT In article <1993Jul15.160812.37295@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: >In article <93196.011728U54876@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >|> Does anyone (everyone) know if NS will run on IBM's Thinkpad. Specifically >|> the color one - I think it's the 700C or something like that. My dad is sold >|> on the Thinkpad, and I might have him sold on NS - if it runs on it. >|> Sorry for the basic question, but I just don't know that much about the IBM's. >|> Thanks! >|> >|> >|> -tom nawara >|> nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu >|> ideaLABS > >The IBM Thinkpad 700C uses the 486 SLC processor. If I remember my hardware list correctly, the SLC processors are NOT on that list so indeed the 700C may not in fact work with NeXTSTEP. Then again, this doesn't mean it won't work either. > >After try various pieces of hardware, configurations, IRQs etc on my quest to get NS/FIP on a machine for myself, I found the best thing to do was just try it. Most dealers are open to letting folks test drive systems. Lets you as a user show them a thin g or two as well if the installation works. > > Tom > > >-- >tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) >gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) >_________________________________________________________________________ >|o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| >|o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| >|o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| >|o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| >|o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o| I've got a ThinkPad floating around the office. I'll commandeer it and try a NS/I installation and report back in the future. -- Yan Fang-Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctoral candidate, Department of Philosophy, University of Utah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <1993Jul25.030936.10762@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. References: <16C15B9D8.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 03:09:36 GMT In article <16C15B9D8.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) writes: > In article <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> > john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > > > I'm still willing to contribute to > >buy more disk space . . . . > > > >How about it? > > > >John Bartley > >john@wpa.com > > Count me in too. > > Regards, > > David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu Ditto! --- Larry Blische lkba!lkb@uunet.UU.NET LKB Associates, Inc. NeXTmail Welcome! 3118 Dunglow Road 410 285 2262 Dundalk, Maryland 21222-5304 USA
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Date: 25 Jul 1993 03:56:25 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <22t099$okm@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <22sd47$1vm@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> In article <22sd47$1vm@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: &- thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) writes: & &- Yet another thing that's been improved in 3.1. My swapfiles aren't &- growing out of bounds anymore. &- From what I feel, NS3.1 swap a lot less than previous versions. I seldom see the swapfile grow, nor do I hear too much swapping noise. It just becomes quieter and faster response all the time. Reading from a CD-ROM is almost twice as fast. NeXT has done a good job! -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: E-Mail address for NeXTWorld Message-ID: <1993Jul25.051546.17880@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <22d4o3$fhe@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 05:15:46 GMT In article <22d4o3$fhe@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Hi, > > I need to post a change of my address to the NeXTWorld > Subscription. Does anybody know their E-mail address XXX.nextworld.com so > that I can send my request over the E-Mail instead of U.S. Mail? subscrip@nextworld.com M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT?? Date: 23 Jul 1993 23:49:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> Keywords: Fax modem ZyXEL Could someone who has successfully used a ZyXEL high-speed modem on a NeXT please contact me? The literature claims it will work, but I am unable to: 1) Dial out via tip or kermit 2) Log in once I dial up the modem from outside 3) Send a fax out via the built-in OS 3.0 fax software 4) Receive a fax In other words, I cant do anything with the thing! ZyXEL has not been able to give my any help at all since they have no NeXTs there. They claim it works fine when run via the software from Black and White -- but cant help me get it working for simple things like using the modem as a regular dial-in dial-out modem, which does not involve its fax capabilities at all. Here is some further information: The modem is a ZyXEL U-1496E. I have a "68040 Modem Cable" from NextConnection, which is wired correctly for hardware flow control (I checked). I have tried many many different settings for the getty process -- using /dev/ttyda and /dev/ttydfa, using std.2400, std.19200, D19200, etc., etc. When I attempt to connect to the modem via tip or kermit, the process hangs as soon as it (supposedly) connects to the modem, and I get no response from the modem, and I have to reboot the machine to kill the tip or kermit process! If anyone has any suggestions, I would be very grateful! Thanks. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Message-ID: <CAq8p3.5vo@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <CAMEL1.9on@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <CAno5w.FB3@utstat.toronto.edu> <22qvfp$gmg@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 15:36:38 GMT In article <22qvfp$gmg@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) writes: [ ] > >You can't just support an ide cd rom. Man of these cd-roms need special >drivers, different when run under windows, OS/2 or MSDOS. Thus, next would >have to have different drivers (something they are sorely lacking now!) for >these different cd-roms. far simpler to just use scsi disks which don't >need separate drivers. Well, MS seems to be able to do it with its MPC thing. In any case, there are a couple of CD-ROM's that ave very inexpensive that go with the SoundBlaster. Pick one, any one, at least. > >It's annoying that the cheapo cd-roms don't work with 3.1, but hey, most >or the ide cd roms seems to be pretty crummy, none that I've heard of being >as nice the cd 300. Most CD-ROM's are pretty crummy. Even the double speed ones are slow. However, since you insist on the cd 300 ( which I have in internal format on the Mac) I must tell you that there isn't a big difference between it and the Philips' IDE Kodak Photo CD compatible (multi-session) that Gateway gives away, and for which I pay (with a SoundBlaster Pro) around $370CDN which is under $300 US. And it doesn't require those crazy caddies. > >Of course, the same problem works with scsi. There's a well defined protocal >from scsi device to the scsi card, but you need drivers for the damn >scsi cards! That's the reason that not many scsi cards are supported, but >lots of scsi DEVICES are. > True, but most people don't need the the hassles of SCSI on a PC. > -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <1993Jul25.182309.27800@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego References: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 18:23:09 GMT In article <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: >What happened to the drive to buy some additional disk capacity for nova? > >If 50 people contributed $20 apiece that would buy a used 1 GB drive. It would even buy a new 1GB drive. I have one sitting on my desktop right now. Where do I go to make my contribution? carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: t90yuan@mp.cs.niu.edu (yuan tzeng) Subject: Re: Gateway shipped CDROM? Message-ID: <1993Jul25.205043.14973@mp.cs.niu.edu> Keywords: FIP,Gateway,2000,CD,CDROM,ide Organization: Northern Illinois University References: <22p6vq$hhf@agate.berkeley.edu> <CAnoBB.FE2@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 20:50:43 GMT In article <CAnoBB.FE2@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >Then I strongly suggest that the user cancel the order and tell NeXT that >they won't switch until NeXT supports the most common form of PC CD-ROM Yep here I am the one who cancel the order after finding out that IDE CDROM drive isn't being supported. Too bad! >reader. Why incresae costs by $500? >[and hassles with IDE and SCSI] >-- >Philip McDunnough -- [Tzeng Ruey Yuan] --yuan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: t90yuan@mp.cs.niu.edu (yuan tzeng) Subject: Re: Info needed about $299.00 Nextstep for x86 Message-ID: <1993Jul25.205910.8935@mp.cs.niu.edu> Organization: Northern Illinois University References: <1993Jul23.185340.1603@umr.edu> <1993Jul23.222643.1344@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 20:59:10 GMT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This was not what I heard. Can anyboboy conform this? >> 1) Is the price still $299.00? > >I believe the $299 evaluation price goes until July 31. Since you're >at an edu address, I presume you'd also qualify for a $249 price for >the user+developer bundle. The two bundles differ a little, other -- [Tzeng Ruey Yuan] --yuan
Control: cancel <1993Jul25.205910.8935@mp.cs.niu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: t90yuan@mp.cs.niu.edu (yuan tzeng) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Jul25.205910.8935@mp.cs.niu.edu> Message-ID: <1993Jul25.210547.30902@mp.cs.niu.edu> Sender: t90yuan@mp.cs.niu.edu (yuan tzeng) Organization: Northern Illinois University References: <1993Jul23.185340.1603@umr.edu> <1993Jul23.222643.1344@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jul25.205910.8935@mp.cs.niu.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 21:05:47 GMT <1993Jul25.205910.8935@mp.cs.niu.edu> was cancelled from within rn. -- [Tzeng Ruey Yuan] --yuan
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT?? Date: 25 Jul 1993 16:18:12 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Jul25181812@dannug.dannug.dk> References: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> In-reply-to: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu's message of 23 Jul 1993 23:49:48 GMT >>>>> On 23 Jul 1993 23:49:48 GMT, doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) said: Douglas> Could someone who has successfully used a ZyXEL high-speed modem on a NeXT Douglas> please contact me? The literature claims it will work, but I am unable to: Douglas> 1) Dial out via tip or kermit Douglas> 2) Log in once I dial up the modem from outside Douglas> 3) Send a fax out via the built-in OS 3.0 fax software Douglas> 4) Receive a fax I use ZyXEL with great success, but: 1) To dial out using tip I use this entry added in /etc/remote: # Next added karthy 920716 b38400|comm|Hardwire on ttyb at 38400 baud:\ :dv=/dev/cufb:br#38400:el=^C^S^Q^U^D:ie=%$:oe=^D: The I type: "tip comm" where after the modem returns with "connected" and I can issue modem commands like "atdt12345678" where the number is a phone number. You can also issue other modem commands like "ati". I have been using this setup during a very long time without any problems. 2) To dial in you need to configure /etc/ttys. I use this entry: # modem should be on ttydfb "/usr/etc/getty D38400" vt100 on I can't remember if D38400 is a standard entry in /etc/gettytab, but here is my entry anyway: w|D38400|Fast-Dial-38400:\ :nx=D19200:tc=38400-baud: 3 + 4) It is not possible to either send or receive fax with the standard 3.0 NeXTSTEP operating system. To use the fax capabilities, you need to get an external fax program. I use NXFax with great success. NXFax provides transparent faxing so that you can use the standard NeXT printpanel to send faxes and use NeXT Faxreader to view received faxes. It also supports both dialin and receive of fax on the same port and it works with tip, kermit, SLiP and PPP. If you still have problems, then let me know and you can get a copy of my setup files. Good luck, Karsten.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stephane@planon.qc.ca Subject: Re: Can a Mac/PC use NeXT's Color Monitor? Message-ID: <1993Jul25.182953.1246@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: stephane@CAM.ORG!planon References: <1993Jul23.233546.2770@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 18:29:53 GMT In article <1993Jul23.233546.2770@newsgate.sps.mot.com> charles@raiders.sps.mot.com (Charles Chan) writes: > Hi, there, > > I would like to know if there is a way for > My Mac/PC to use NeXT's color monitor. There is little chance you can use a NeXT color monitor with about anything else. This is a fix scan monitor adapted for the specification of NeXT. Almost every PC need to work with a multi-scan monitor, since usually, they first boot in VGA type resolution, and then later switch to higher resolution. NeXT color monitor doesn't support that and it does not support VGA resolution for sure. On a mac you would have to find a graphic board that fits exactly the scanning of your monitor (refresh speed, Horizontal an Vertical sync, blanking). Not if you decide to buy such a board, try it before with your monitor, don't buy it just on specification, this can be very, very tricky... Stephane Savard Director R&D Planon Telexpertise Inc. 1370 Joliot-Curie #708 Boucherville, Quebec Canada, J4B 7L9 Email: stephane@planon.qc.ca (NeXTmail accepted and appreciated!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: NS 3.1 - how to find out where you are logged in?? Message-ID: <ntomczak.743588082@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 08:14:42 GMT After a switch to version 3.1 of OS I found that I cannot distinguish anymore if a user is logged in directly on NeXT, or via some networked terminal. This information is rather vital for some of my uses. Up to now there was an environment variabiable "Workspace" which was set in the first case, but not in the second. It looks like that it vanished. Does anybody know if there is some other clever way to get this information, or I have to write a special program which will muck with an environment and which I will have to hook up with 'dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths'? Also it is me unable to find a proper magic sequence or vt100 emulation in a new version of Terminal is terminally broken? Keypad used to send various escape sequences, but now most of them seems to be gone, and what remains is in wrong positions. I do need a stuff like PF11 when communicating with some machines! For now I went back to Terminal.app from 3.0, which restored an order, but if I would be starting with 3.1 I would be rather unhappy. Or I really do miss something? I wonder what is a purpose of introducing new bugs in a stuff which used to work without any special problems, especially when old, reported bugs seem to linger for years. Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT?? Message-ID: <ntomczak.743594464@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> <KARTHY.93Jul25181812@dannug.dannug.dk> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 10:01:04 GMT It looks like that everybody responding to this question propose to dial with 'atdt ...', whatever. This is, obviously, one way, but for more often used numbers you may add, for kermit, in your .kermrc lines like this: define this dial 5555555 define that dial 6666666 and just type 'this' or 'that' at a kermit prompt. This strings can more complicated, including requests for a pause when going through switchboard, and the like. For tip this requires a cooperation of your sysadmin, but it is possible to add in /etc/remote something in this style: this|this corp:\ :cm=atz\r:pn=5555555:hd:tc=dial38400: that|other place:\ :cm=at&k0&n14&m0\r:pn=6666666,:hd:tc=tip38400: If a number is @ then a file phones is searched (from PHONES env variable, default /etc/phones). Then a tip user may just try tip this (or tipx this) tip that (This capability may depend on a particular version of tip. Your mileage may vary). Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: emacs.app Message-ID: <166@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 26 Jul 93 05:13:59 GMT Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi is there an emacs.app for NSI 3.1? I would like to have it. --- /* Kay Schulz kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de */ /* seit Sonntag solo */ /* ab 1.9. ohne Wohnung */ /* ab 1.10. ohne Job */
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Info needed about $299.00 Nextstep for Message-ID: <167@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 26 Jul 93 05:24:49 GMT References: <1993Jul23.222643.1344@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. CubeX started shipping their product. The demo is on the ftp servers coXist will shipp in the bginning of august hopefully --- /* Kay Schulz kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de */ /* seit Sonntag solo */ /* ab 1.9. ohne Wohnung */ /* ab 1.10. ohne Job */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: NeXTSTEP 3.1 639K base memory!!! Message-ID: <chris.743666850@du139-210.cc.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 06:07:30 GMT I've got a Dell 450DE/2 DGX system. When I start NeXTSTEP, it reports 639K base memory. I can't beleive this, so I check it with msd.exe from Windows. It reports 639K too. But, when I start the computer, the BIOS memory test reports 640K? I cann Dell, the technical support rep told me not to rely on software result. I doubt it. Can someone justify this? Anyone using DGX? Chris. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fyr@ubszh.net.ch Subject: Re: E-Mail address for NeXTWorld Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <fyr.93Jul2611489@nol512> Sender: usenet@ubszh.net.ch (news) Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland References: <22d4o3$fhe@news.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 10:48:09 GMT > Hi, > > I need to post a change of my address to the NeXTWorld > Subscription. Does anybody know their E-mail address XXX.nextworld.com so > that I can send my request over the E-Mail instead of U.S. Mail? > Hello Gary I changed my address by sending a mail to "subscrip@nextworld.com" and after I send the mail about 4 time a guy (jason@nextworld.com) aswered me. Bye Roger --- Union Bank of Switzerland Roger P. Frey LHIS/LHDD-FYR Flurstrasse 68 CH-8048 Zurich Switzerland phone: +41 1 236 60 52 fax: +41 1 236 86 08 RFC822: fyr@ubszh.net.ch (NeXT-Mail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: meyergru@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Uwe Meyer-Gruhl) Subject: sethostid() patch for NS3.1 (black) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Originator: meyergru@hpradigc.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Sender: news@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (USENET Newssystem) Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 10:35:22 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul26.103522.21490@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Hi Folks, a while back, I posted this article (just to save some typing here): +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Some people have asked me how the mentioned patch to get more than 16 buffers is done. Well, hackers, first I should note that /sdmach is _not_ stripped (sic!). Need I say more? The rest is up to you, happy disassembling... Nah, just kidding (but not quite, I just don't expect everybody to do things like that, even if they're possible). So here we go: The following output was generated by applying 'cmp -l /sdmach.old /sdmach': sdmach.binpatch: ---- CUT HERE ---- 334079 166 116 334080 20 161 334081 43 116 334082 303 161 334083 4 116 334084 11 161 334085 70 116 334086 24 161 579602 0 1 579607 240 217 579608 214 206 604776 0 200 ---- CUT HERE ---- The patch consists of three parts. From offset 334079 to 334086 there were instructions that set the number of buffers to 16(decimal). Those instructions are NOPed out. The WORD at offset 604773 is the number of buffers, which is set to 128(decimal) in this case, so that 1 MByte of buffers are allocated. Only the last byte (604776) has been changed. The third part is the table entry at 579602, which enables the otherwise nonfunctional 'sethostid()' call. This patch has been posted a while ago by Eric P. Scott, if I remember right. For those of you who want to patch /sdmach by means of 'Moni' or 'HexEditor', be warned. The offsets from 'cmp -l' start with '1', not '0'. The byte values given are in octal. For those with less trust in their capabilities (or simply lazy people), here is the 'binpatch' program, which has been posted a while ago together with the 'lpd' 38400 baud patch by Marc A. Ullman. binpatch.c: ---- CUT HERE ---- /* * binpatch.c - apply output of "cmp -l" to patch a binary file * * This simple program takes the output from "cmp -l" and applies it as a set * of patches to a given input file. The input file itself is modified and no * backup file is created. Thus if a backup of the original is desired (highly * recommended), create it before using binpatch. An example of its use * follows: * * Assume that you have the file "lpd.diff" that resulted from: * % cmp -l lpd.broken lpd.fixed > lpd.diff * * Now do the following to apply the patch: * % cp -p lpd lpd.broken * % binpatch -f lpd.diff lpd * * lpd will now be identical to lpd.fixed. This is of course useful when you * have only the original and the diff file and wish to recreate the patched * version. * * Compile using: cc -O -Wall -o binpatch binpatch.c * * Copyright (C) 1991 by Marc Ullman * All Rights Reserved * December 16, 1991 */ static char rcsid[] = "$Header: /local/src/tools/binpatch/RCS/binpatch.c,v 1.1 91/12/16 12:05:50 marc Exp $"; #include <stdio.h> #include <stdarg.h> #include <stdlib.h> #define ARGUMENTS "-f diff_file input_file\n" \ " The diff_file is created by \"cmp -l orig.file modified.file > diff.file\"" static char *program_name = NULL; static char *input_file_name = NULL; static char *diff_file_name = NULL; /* Print error message while exiting due to unrecoverable error */ /* Use variable argument list to support multiple arguments to printf */ static void Error_Exit(char *error_msg, ...) { va_list ap; va_start(ap, error_msg); fprintf(stderr, "%s: ", program_name); vfprintf(stderr, error_msg, ap); va_end(ap); exit(1); } static void Usage() { fprintf(stderr, "Usage: %s %s\n", program_name, ARGUMENTS); exit(1); } static void Process_Arguments(int argc, char *argv[]) { int i; for (i = 1; i <= (argc - 1); i++) { if (*argv[i] == '-') { switch (*(argv[i]+1)) { case 'f' : /* diff_file */ if (i < (argc - 1)) { diff_file_name = argv[++i]; } else { Usage(); } break; default : Error_Exit("invalid option '-%c'\n", *(argv[i]+1)); break; } } else { input_file_name = argv[i]; } } /* Check that we got diff_file and input file */ if ((input_file_name == NULL) || (diff_file_name == NULL)) { Usage(); } } void error_exit(FILE *diff_file, FILE *input_file) { fclose(diff_file); fclose(input_file); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { FILE *diff_file; FILE *input_file; int count = 0; unsigned long offset; unsigned int c1, c2, c; program_name = argv[0]; Process_Arguments(argc, argv); if ((diff_file = fopen(diff_file_name, "r")) == NULL) { Error_Exit("can't read %s\n", diff_file_name); } if ((input_file = fopen(input_file_name, "r+")) == NULL) { Error_Exit("can't read %s\n", input_file_name); } do { count = fscanf(diff_file, "%lu %o %o", &offset, &c1, &c2); if (count == EOF) { break; } else if (count != 3) { printf("Error reading %s\n", diff_file_name); error_exit(diff_file, input_file); } offset--; /* cmp -l returns base 1 offsets */ #ifdef DEBUG printf("%.8x %.2x %.2x\n", offset, c1, c2); #endif if (fseek(input_file, offset, SEEK_SET) != 0) { printf("Error seeking in %s\n", input_file_name); error_exit(diff_file, input_file); } c = fgetc(input_file); if (c1 != c) { printf("Patch file differs from input file at offset %.8x: %.2x %.2x\n", offset, c, c1); } else { fseek(input_file, offset, SEEK_SET); fputc(c2, input_file); } } while (feof(diff_file) == 0); fclose(diff_file); fclose(input_file); exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); } ---- CUT HERE ---- To patch /sdmach, extract the two included files above to some arbitrary directory, 'chdir' there and then issue (as root): cc -O -Wall -o binpatch binpatch.c cp /sdmach /sdmach.old ./binpatch -f sdmach.binpatch /sdmach You will remain with the original version of /sdmach in /sdmach.old (so you could always boot the old version with 'bsd()sdmach.old' from the ROM monitor) and the newer version in /sdmach. Reboot and you're set. Patch as patch can! And remember: No Guarantees! You can also use 'b sd() sdmach nbuf=128', but you cannot save strings longer than 12 characters to NVM. However, for testing purposes this should suffice. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now it is about time for NS3.1 (black)! NeXT has already done half of the work for us, the number of buffers is now calculated from the memory available, I haven't verified this, but at least the number seems big enough for my 32MB color slab. So much for the buffer issue. This is the sethostid() patch for NS3.1 (black) (NS/FIP should pose no problem since the number is always zero): --- CUT HERE --- 665598 0 1 665603 122 100 665604 360 274 --- CUT HERE --- (Hi, Dmitri!) cheers, Uwe Uwe Meyer-Gruhl Confucius say: Lehrstuhl Informatik IX "Unlucky to play leapfrog with unicorn" Technische Universitaet Muenchen email:MeyerGru@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE Orleansstr. 34, D-81667 Muenchen tel: ++49 89 48095-209
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: FIP Gateway problems solved Message-ID: <1993Jul26.091433.1150@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 09:14:33 GMT Thanks for all the responses regarding our problems getting FIP to run on a Gateway. (I think comp.sys.next should bill NeXT for the Great support provided). :^D Anyway, all in all we only had 2 problems. The first one wa solved by Mitch Glass here is his solution: >I had a similar problem with my Gateway, and it turned out >that the internal cables to the serial connectors were swapped, so that >what I thought was COMA/COM1 was really COMB/COM2. You might >double-check both the cables and the Phoenix BIOS setup to >make sure the COM ports are what you think they are. Sure enough that was it. He posted a "summary of my Gateway installation adventures" a few weeks ago.. Mitch, I think you should repost it every couple of weeks for a while until things settle down!!! Any way between the time we got his first message which solved the problem, and his summary, we got it up. We were able to setup the configuration. When we got to the mouse, we knew we had a serial mouse, and that it was set to a PS2mouse, but it was working, so we decided to not fool with it. Well after the reboot no mouse and no way to set it. We tried editing the config files by hand, but never got it to work. That night we got home and found Mitch's summary which said that you must select the serial mouse on setup... If only we had read it a few hours earlier. Well back to the net to ask advice. Thanks to the countless people who sent the solution. (I guess they read the manual. I myself am a highly principled person, and that's against my principals. :^) [Just kidding] The solution is to type at the boot prompt: config=Default Seriously we had read about it, and even tried it when we had the first problem, but of course it didn't work then. So we forgot about it and never came back to it. Well it worked it puts you in a minimal mode that has mouse control no matter what you are using. You log in as root, set your mouse up reboot, and its all fixed. Again, Thanks for all the help. Now, any advice on those serial ports. Is there any way to use them safely? Any way to get mail up between to machines at any speed without crashing?? Rick
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 639K base memory!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 26 Jul 1993 13:04:54 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <230kpm$3nr@nic.umass.edu> References: <chris.743666850@du139-210.cc.iastate.edu> Chris Wong (chris@iastate.edu) wrote: : I've got a Dell 450DE/2 DGX system. : When I start NeXTSTEP, it reports 639K base memory. : I can't beleive this, so I check it with msd.exe from Windows. It : reports 639K too. : But, when I start the computer, the BIOS memory test reports 640K? : I cann Dell, the technical support rep told me not to rely on software : result. I doubt it. : Can someone justify this? Anyone using DGX? I would guess that the EISA configuration is stored using that 1K of memory. That's how my Micronics EISA/VESA machine does it anyway (seems strange to me bucuase I have a clone that doesn't seem to do that...but well, I guess there isn't too much I can do about it, eh?). Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: mbsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew B Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac sound files Date: 26 Jul 1993 13:24:24 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Are there any applications floating about that I may use to convert Mac sound files into those compatable with the NeXT platform? Thanks in advance. M. Bradley Smith mbsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Question concerning CD-ROM and audio Date: 26 Jul 1993 15:01:18 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <230rju$4d3@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> To anyone: I have hooked up a NEC CD-ROM drive to my cube. I am trying to use the CDPlayer program to play cd-audio off the CD-ROM drive and it is not working. Any suggestions? -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | | | The Institute for the Learning Sciences | | O | Northwestern University | (--|--) Evanston, Ill | | e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | / \ work: (708) 467-1972 | --------Be excellent to each other--------
From: treed@friday.bmt.gun.com (Timothy Reed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Date: 26 Jul 1993 10:31:29 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9307261523.AA00869@friday.bmt.gun.com> The best way to get in touch with Alpine is to call or fax them directly - Kris will be the first to admit that his e-mail is pretty screwed up. I made the the mistake of assuming that e-mail to Kris worked a while ago - resulting in all kinds of horrible misunderstandings. Best thing to do is give him a call. Tim --- Tim Reed, Black Market Technologies Voice: +1 718 522-5090 Fax: +1 718 852-4249 E-mail: treed@bmt.gun.com "Reading documentation is an admission of failure." In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Jul24.200144.22715@newshost.lanl.gov> you wrote: > In article <69565@mimsy.umd.edu> baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) > writes: > > Company : Alpine Computing > > Email : yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Kris' email) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > When I sent mail to this address, it bounced back -- no such user > known. Worse, when I sent mail to kris@doberman.com (an address > on a fax I received from him in June), it also bounced -- > unknown user! -- Tim Reed, Black Market Technologies Voice: +1 718 522-5090 Fax: +1 718 852-4249 E-mail: treed@bmt.gun.com "Reading documentation is an admission of failure."
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <69623@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 26 Jul 93 15:16:41 GMT References: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> <16C15B9D8.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > I'm still willing to contribute to buy more disk space . . . . me too BUT it sure would make sense to universally switch to gzip -9 instead of compress on the archive. it could easily recover 20-30% of the space. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: mjh@cs.vu.nl (Huisjes MJ) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 639K base memory!!! Message-ID: <CAs3n0.9Is@cs.vu.nl> Sender: news@cs.vu.nl Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam References: <chris.743666850@du139-210.cc.iastate.edu> <230kpm$3nr@nic.umass.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 15:42:36 GMT fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) writes: } Chris Wong (chris@iastate.edu) wrote: } : I've got a Dell 450DE/2 DGX system. } : When I start NeXTSTEP, it reports 639K base memory. } : I can't beleive this, so I check it with msd.exe from Windows. It } : reports 639K too. } : But, when I start the computer, the BIOS memory test reports 640K? } : I cann Dell, the technical support rep told me not to rely on software } : result. I doubt it. } : Can someone justify this? Anyone using DGX? } I would guess that the EISA configuration is stored using that 1K of memory. } That's how my Micronics EISA/VESA machine does it anyway (seems strange to } me bucuase I have a clone that doesn't seem to do that...but well, I guess } there isn't too much I can do about it, eh?). } Joe Fitzgerald } fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu My 386 BIOS (AMI) has an option where to locate 256 bytes ram for the BIOS if needed. It has two options : 1) fixed at some low memory address (30:0 I think) 2) reduce base memory by 1K -- Maarten Huisjes. mjh@cs.vu.nl (192.31.231.42) (..!uunet.uu.net!cs.vu.nl!mjh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 15:24:15 GMT Well, for the second time since I got into NeXT, about 4 years ago, I've been screwed by NeXTWorld. The first time, not only did I NOT receive my "free year" promised with my NeXTCube purchase, NeXTWorld terminated the subscription, that I HAD paid for, early. After a years hiatus, I decided to give NeXTWorld another try. I respon- ded to a $21.95 yearly (6 issue) subscription mailing in January of 93. As of March 1 had received no issues of NeXTWorld, but I had received my bill. I promptly paid the bill, hoping that my issues would soon follow. They did not. The first issue that I received was the the April/May issue of NeXTWorld, which arrived in the 1st week of May, fully 6 WEEKS after it hit the newsstand. Furious, because I had long since purchased that issue of NeXTWorld, I called their customer service line and explained the sit- uation. The very courteous lady who took my call agreed that I shouldn't have received that issue so late, and when I asked to have my subscript- ion cancelled and a refund sent, she again agreed and informed me that I could expect a check in about 4 to 6 weeks. The check never came. What did come was my June/July issue of NeXTWorld, 3 weeks after it hit the newsstands, and again after I'd already purchased the issue. (I had naively assumed that my subscription had been cancelled per my request.) Now completely at a loss, I did nothing until after the August issue arrived, last week. On Friday the 23rd I again called the customer ser- vice line, and was informed by a very rude lady this time, that first, they had no record of my original call; second, as far as they were con- cerned it was my word against theirs about the lateness or non-delivery of issues, and that I was obviously in the wrong; third, that if I did continue to insist on a refund, they would send me exactly $7.95; and finally, that according to their computer, I was not entitled to any more issues of NeXTWorld. I strenuously objected to the last two points. I pointed out that even if I had received the Feb./March issue, that still made only 4 issues, and I was entitled to 6, as per the subscription terms. What I was told next boggled my mind. The customer service rep. told me that because of the new monthly basis for NeXTWorld, the first three issues of 1993 were being counted as "double-issues", that I'd received effectively 7 issues (more than I was entitled to), and that my subscription was term- inated. At this point, way beyond wanting to continue arguing with people who obviously don't care at all about their customers, I told them to keep their damn $7.95 and hung up. I guarantee that I will never deal with NeXTWorld again. Although I find the idea of wishing ill on a NeXT related enterprise repugnant, I hope that NeXTWorld goes the way of the NeXT's hardware business, and maybe if we're lucky, NeXTWorld will be replaced by a magazine who's managers are not so arrogant to believe that they can rip-off and piss on their subscribing customers. I've been treated badly by magazine subscription departments in the past, but never as badly as I've been treated by NeXTWorld. One person's experience... - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: <out of order> \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: NS 3.1 - how to find out where you are logged in?? Message-ID: <ntomczak.743643953@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <ntomczak.743588082@vega> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 23:45:53 GMT ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes: (actually Michal Jaegermann, but this is beside the point :-)) >After a switch to version 3.1 of OS I found that I cannot distinguish >anymore if a user is logged in directly on NeXT, or via some networked >terminal. This information is rather vital for some of my uses. Following my own article: for my own uses now the following line in .cshrc, or some variant of thereof for other shells, does the trick tty | grep -s '^/dev/tty[pq]' && setenv Workspace " " This helps when other terminal is connected via serial line, since then tty will return either /dev/ttya, or /dev/ttyb, or something similar. Therefore $Workspace is getting set only if you are opening Terminal.app window from Workspace and other stuff which checked for its presence works like before. At this moment I do not know if something like this would work for terminals hooked via Ethernet. Any info? My other question about vt100 emulation and function keys still stands. Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
From: volks@tempest.cis.uoguelph.CA (Lorraine Van Wingerden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Summary: Re: Pen-based computing for the NeXT ??? Date: 26 Jul 1993 13:11:11 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9307261809.AA00271@tempest.cis.uoguelph.ca> I recently posted a question to the net requesting information about penbased computing. Here is my original question: > Hello, > > Is anyone doing pen-based computing using NeXTstep > (either for Intel, or on black hardware)? > Is it possible? > > I am interested in finding any information on any > hardware or software that supports pen-based computing > of any kind in the NeXTstep environment. Are there > any development supports? > > I noticed that there is a tablet installer (InstallTablet.app) > on our system in /NextAdmin. Has anyone connected a tablet > to a NeXT system? > > Thank you for any comments or information. > > Lorraine Van Wingerden > (please send e-mail to volks@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca) > I have received a bit of information. Here is a very quick summary of the information: From: serge@talus.com (Serguei Bakhteiarov) > Talus Corp. already did the driver for LightPen from > Design Technology (Certainly for NS/FIP). It.... just > works .... :-) as NeXT's officials like to tell.... > He also told me that Design Technology has the rights for the distribution, and they can be reached at: 11489 Woodside Avenue Santee, CA 92071-4724 ph: (619) 448-2888 (619)488-3044 (fax) e-mail: 73650.443@compuserve.com so I contacted them and received some more information: From: David Wineberg <73650.443@CompuServe.COM> > We have a driver for our internal card for NeXT 486, [some stuff deleted] > We have > several {_pen models available: anodized aluminum, > stainless steel, plastic sheathed, in nosetip switch or > sideswitch versions. Also a long range (10-12 feet) for > handicapped applications. > The internal card is already available for use in IBM PCs, > compatibles. The external interface is already > available for IBM PCs, compatibles, and PS/2. > We're not ready with NeXT literature, but if you'd like, I > could mail you hard copy of our literature for IBM > systems. We hope to have the NeXT version available in a > matter of weeks. I hope to be receiving some more information from them. Thank you to the people who responded. Of course, more information is always welcome! Lorraine Van Wingerden --- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lorraine Van Wingerden volks@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca | | University of Guelph tel. (519) 824-4120 Ext. 2713 | | Guelph, Ontario, Canada -- NeXT mail gladly accepted! -- | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <thompsonCAs7w0.9ny@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 17:14:24 GMT wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > [ how he got screwed by NeXTWorld ] Well, I've never subscribed to NeXTworld. When I got 3.1 it said I was entitled to a free *issue*, which I could get by e-mailing them, so I did. No response. No issue. I figure about the fastest way to get a copy is off the newsstand-- less headaches, and I can find it the day it comes out if I want to! It *would* be nice if they got their act together, though. Sometimes I feel like their issues are just re-hashes of what I've read on the net already.. maybe they should call themselves comp.sys.nextWatch :) later, Eric
From: hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/FIP Dual Boot program Date: 26 Jul 1993 19:00:42 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <2319krINNt0@crcnis1.unl.edu> I did a DOS 6.0 upgrade on a DOS partition on a NS/FIP machine. But, it seems that DOS 6.0 (being the nice friendly upgrade that it is) wiped out the boot manager that used to exist and ask which OS to boot. Now if the active partition is DOS, it boots DOS. If the active paritiion is NS, it boots NS, no questions asked in either case. I would guess that there is a hidden file or two lurking about somwehere on the DOS side that handles the dual boot, but does anyone know how to get the bootmanager back to working shape if the DOS partition has been "upgraded"? Thanks, Hubert Hickman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Canon hardware deal/NS on PPC --> Marketing in Europe Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 14:04:54 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul26.140454.27846@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <22mg2s$2b8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <22mg2s$2b8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: [...] > **Forwarded Letter that I recived from an employee at NeXT who answered my Q: > > From: Bernhard_Woebker (Bernhard Woebker) > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 16:38:34 +0200 > To: Eric_Bragg > Subject: The Aussies are getting restless > Cc: sjobs, bernhard_Woebker, martin_york, james_higa > > Hi Eric, > > Australia is part of the territory we are discussing with Canon. In the last ET > meeting we decided to hold off on the "Canon countries" until we have reached > closure with them. > > Ingram Micro and NACSCORP are not allowed to sell outside North America. The > best is to point all of these request to Canon to put some pressure on them. > > Bernhard BTW Bernhard Woebker is head of NeXT Europe. Europe is for sure not handled by Canon. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: request sites for nntp access to comp.sys.next.* Date: 26 Jul 1993 16:39:18 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <231fdm$1m6@digifix.digifix.com> Hi all I've just converted to an IP connection, and in the hope of ensuring the fast propagation of outgoing comp.sys.next.announce stuff, and prompt reception of comp.sys.next.* by me, I was wondering if there is anyone who would be willing to allow me access to their nntp server. Thanks Scott -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <1993Jul26.202301.9794@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 20:23:01 GMT In article <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > > Well, for the second time since I got into NeXT, about 4 years ago, I've > been screwed by NeXTWorld. > ...[long familiar sad tale deleted]... > I've been treated badly by magazine > subscription departments in the past, but never as badly as I've been > treated by NeXTWorld. > > One person's experience... > I'm afraid it's my experience also (and, I suspect, MANY others). I've never known a magazine's subscription service to be so awful! Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Mac sound files Message-ID: <1993Jul26.160806.203@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 16:08:06 GMT In article <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mbsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew B Smith) writes: * Are there any applications floating about that I may use to convert Mac * sound files into those compatable with the NeXT platform? MetroTools from MetroSoft has a Mac sound converter. Mail to info@metrosoft.com ........ Henry
Message-ID: <rv$@byu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 15:13:03 MDT From: yackd@idaho.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: usa References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> <1993Jul26.202301.9794@newshost.lanl.gov> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. In article <1993Jul26.202301.9794@newshost.lanl.gov>, silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >In article <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> >wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: >> >> Well, for the second time since I got into NeXT, about 4 years ago, I've >> been screwed by NeXTWorld. >> ...[long familiar sad tale deleted]... >> I've been treated badly by magazine >> subscription departments in the past, but never as badly as I've been >> treated by NeXTWorld. >> One person's experience... >I'm afraid it's my experience also (and, I suspect, MANY others). I've >never known a magazine's subscription service to be so awful! You know, it would also be nice if my subscription showed up in my mailbox _before_ the magazine turns up on newsstands. In fact, I personally find the 1-2 week delay from seeing it in the local _grocery_store_ to seeing it in my mailbox is unacceptable. And the only part that's fun to read anymore is Lt. Sullivan...some of those rumors get even more creative than what I see here occasionally. At least I haven't been treated rudely by the telephone sanitizers they hire to run the phones...but then again, I haven't called to complain either. I get enough abuse from other sources as it is... :) Later, -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: conway@bnk014.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) Subject: Getting rid of NEXTSTEP boot block Message-ID: <CAsHHF.8I3@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 20:41:39 GMT We tried installing NEXTSTEP on a DECstation 425c PC (just to try it), and it failed. So we reinstalled DOS, but when we boot, the screen continuously prints the message NeXT boot1 v1.17 NeXT boot1 v1.17 NeXT boot1 v1.17 NeXT boot1 v1.17 NeXT boot1 v1.17 and does not boot. How do we fix this? Thanks - Mark P.S. Believe me, we would have been a lot happier if the NEXTSTEP installation just worked. P.P.S. We have already tried "format /s" commands with no luck.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,com From: jbowyer@cis.vutbr.cz (Bowyer Jeff) Subject: International Software Organization: Technical University of Brno, Czech Republic Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 07:21:33 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul26.072133.2884@cis.vutbr.cz> Please share your expertise with our mailing list. INSOFT-L on LISTSERV@CIS.VUTBR.CZ Internationalization of Software Discussion List Internationalization of software relates to two subjects: 1. Software that is written so a user can easily change the language of the interface; 2. Versions of software, such as Czech WordPerfect, whose interface language differs from the original product. Topics discussed on this list include: -- Techniques for developing new software -- Techniques for converting existing software -- Internationalization tools -- Announcements of internationalized public domain software -- Announcements of foreign-language versions of commercial software -- Calls for papers -- Conference announcements -- References to documentation related to the internationalization of software This list is moderated. To subscribe to this list, send an electronic mail message to LISTSERV@CIS.VUTBR.CZ with the body containing the command: SUB INSOFT-L Yourfirstname Yourlastname Owner: Center for Computing and Information Services Technical University of Brno Udolni 19, 602 00 BRNO Czech Republic INSOFT-L-REQUEST@CIS.VUTBR.CZ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: An observation re: NeXT, SGI newsgroups Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 22:57:53 GMT Message-ID: <CAsnsH.EBw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NeXT, SGI Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana This is not crucial, but for what it's worth, I find the small (but growing?) number of cross-postings and messages between the c.s.next and the c.s.sgi newgroups intersting and welcome. Really Cool hardware and software for Real Computer Use...my $0.0002. -Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Date: 27 Jul 1993 00:00:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: usa Message-ID: <231r6a$nt8@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> <1993Jul26.202301.9794@newshost.lanl.gov> Of course my experiences with NeXTWORLD are as bad. Missed issues, late issues, no Extras, etc. It has been like my experiences subscribing to magazines in Italy: about 30% of the issues arrive, late. Many magazines took to selling vouchers that one takes to the newsstand (the kiosks are good even in small towns). However, this IS the US of A. Some things are more reliable (some, unfortunately reliable). Robert de Lucca
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac sound files Message-ID: <88614@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 26 Jul 93 23:31:41 GMT References: <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Matthew B Smith writes > Are there any applications floating about that I may use to convert Mac > sound files into those compatable with the NeXT platform? > > Thanks in advance. > > M. Bradley Smith > mbsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu MetroTools by MetroSoft will convert Mac "sfil" type sounds (and others) to NeXT soundfiles. The demo versions available on most ftp sites will run for about 20 minutes, I think. In addition to sounds, it converts type 1 fonts, makes and extracts .tar.Z files, has a dock extender, an elaborate file finder, and a screen saver (which plays BackSpace modules). It's a cool program all in all. -- =============================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu NeXTmail preferred! ===============================
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <88613@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 26 Jul 93 23:28:41 GMT References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Distribution: usa William Herndon writes > I guarantee that I will never deal with NeXTWorld again. Although I > find the idea of wishing ill on a NeXT related enterprise repugnant, > I hope that NeXTWorld goes the way of the NeXT's hardware business, > and maybe if we're lucky, NeXTWorld will be replaced by a magazine who's > managers are not so arrogant to believe that they can rip-off and piss > on their subscribing customers. I've been treated badly by magazine > subscription departments in the past, but never as badly as I've been > treated by NeXTWorld. Well, I've paid for two separate NeXTWorld subscriptions over the past year and a half and I have gotten a total of two issues. Pretty much I have given up on actually getting my subscription issues as it is simply easier for me to run down to the local computer shop and just buy them on the spot. What really gripes me about NeXTWorld, however, is that they are too big to fit on a shelf and I have to stack them up out of the way. I might as well not buy them at all if they're going to sit under a pile of other books. -- =============================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu NeXTmail preferred! ===============================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 19:04:04 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul26.190404.500@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <1993Jul24.102226.27704@crash> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <1993Jul24.102226.27704@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: [...] > He also told us we were buying a 340MB SCSI hard disk. That's what it > says on the receipt. Well, it's a 329MB drive. That might not mean > much of a difference to you, but with NEXTSTEP I need all the room I can > get, and he should have told me the real capacity. (I know all about > formatted vs unformatted -- I was led to believe it was a real 340MB > formatted capacity). It most probably is 340MB. Note that by default some percentage (10%) of the drive's capacity is reserved for the superuser and will not be reported as "free". That means, even if only 329MB are reported by Workspace you can (as super-user) fill the drive up to more than 100%! You can reduce the reserved area without reformatting your drive and destroying your data. Check the man page for tunefs. [...] > I regret not buying a NeXTstation Turbo Color. I would, too. > They work, Intel equipment doesn't. Sigh. Welcome to the PC world of kludges and hacks :-( -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Message-ID: <1993Jul26.182031.1773@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated References: <1993Jul24.115640.1094@crash> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 18:20:31 GMT In article <1993Jul24.115640.1094@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > >Followup to my flame on Alpine Computing. Mr. Magnusson called our office >today, Saturday, from his home, and helped answer my questions and resolve >my problems. I want the Net to know I am a satisfied customer of Alpine >and now have the Intel GX machine working. Mr. Magnusson has gone out >of his way to help and we appreciate that. > > >-- brian dear > coconut computing, inc. > la jolla, ca Just a darn minute. You made several complaints, not all of which could have been addressed by Mr. Magnusson from his home. Where was the hardware documentation? I don't doubt that Alpine might be one of the better vendors, but you were flinging complaints before. --J Gregory
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT?? Keywords: Fax modem ZyXEL Message-ID: <69687@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 27 Jul 93 02:51:51 GMT References: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu writes: > > Could someone who has successfully used a ZyXEL high-speed modem on a NeXT > please contact me? The literature claims it will work, but I am unable to: > > 1) Dial out via tip or kermit > 2) Log in once I dial up the modem from outside > 3) Send a fax out via the built-in OS 3.0 fax software > 4) Receive a fax > > In other words, I cant do anything with the thing! ZyXEL has not been able to > give my any help at all since they have no NeXTs there. They claim it works > fine when run via the software from Black and White -- but cant help me get it > working for simple things like using the modem as a regular dial-in dial-out > modem, which does not involve its fax capabilities at all. > > Here is some further information: > > The modem is a ZyXEL U-1496E. > > I have a "68040 Modem Cable" from NextConnection, which is wired correctly for > hardware flow control (I checked). > > I have tried many many different settings for the getty process -- using > /dev/ttyda and /dev/ttydfa, using std.2400, std.19200, D19200, etc., etc. > > When I attempt to connect to the modem via tip or kermit, the process hangs as > soon as it (supposedly) connects to the modem, and I get no response from the > modem, and I have to reboot the machine to kill the tip or kermit process! > > If anyone has any suggestions, I would be very grateful! > > Thanks. > > -- > Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 > Center for Computer Music Research and Composition > University of California, Santa Barbara > Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu> it works fine for me. here is my /etc/tty entry: ttydfa "/usr/etc/getty D38400" vt100 off here is my .kermrc set line /dev/cufa set speed 38400 set modem hayes set file names literal set file type binary set file display fullscreen set receive packet-length 740 set window-size 8 set block-check 3 set parity none set flow none set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set ascii ascii for fax stuff, make sure you run the NXFaxInstaller program. B&W software will answer questions and help you with that. there is also some useful help in the NXFax on line help and NeXT sysadmin docs. first see if you can get to the modem to speak hayes commands to it. %kermit >connect at OK at&v -- show settings ati0 -- show ROM version, should 6.02 at least at&f -- sets modem back to factory default settings DO THIS atz -- resets at$ -- help then try atdt to somewhere if that works, try dial in and add fax last good luck -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: .au to .snd Message-ID: <CAszux.9pB@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 03:18:32 GMT Hello all, I was just wondering if some kind soul out there could email me on how to go about converting from .au to .snd (some program available somewhere or something). You help would be very much apreciated. Thanx in advance. Brian sela@iastate.edu
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Color enhancement on NeXT monitor using Calibrator.app Date: 27 Jul 1993 03:41:07 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <23284j$frv@news.acns.nwu.edu> Hi, To me, the Calibrator.app works more than just matching the screen colors to the printer. With little adjustment on the Gamma, Bright, Contrast and RGB values, I get a much better look on my NeXT Color monitor. It is a lot sharper and no longer looks washed-out. I currently have Calibrator.app sitting on the dock, and edit the nib file to change the default settings to meet my preference; so each time I only need to run Calibrator.app once to bring up a sharper image (without the loading process of the saved settings). However, sometimes I still find it too much a routine work to do so, is there a way load the new Adjustment values in the booting process? Thanks. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Intel GX questions Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 26 Jul 93 20:34:26 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul26.203426.21212@crash> Now that we own an Intel GX Professional running NEXTSTEP 3.1, running fine, I might add, as long as you don't ever shut down :-), I have a few questions. These may be FAQ's, but since there don't seem to be FAQ files anymore, I'll ask 'em: What's the latest news regarding the built-in CD quality audio in this Intel GX? Anyone have any idea when it will be supported? I miss the nice English lady who says, "Your printah is out of papah." While I'm at it, this machine has built-in SCSI support too. Any hope that it will be supported by NEXTSTEP? I could use my Adaptec 1542C in another machine. Also, is there any hope that NEXTSTEP for Intel machines will ever support MORE than one video card, like Macs do? I would like to have a 21" monitor for artwork while the 17" has all the Inspectors and other menu windows onscreen. Thanks in advance for any replies. -- brian dear coconut computing, inc. la jolla, ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Subject: Questions about getting the 3.1 upgrade [black] at educational prices... Message-ID: <CAt1rv.542@fragile.termfrost.org> Sender: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 03:59:54 GMT This is gonna make me look like an idiot, but so be it... I bought a used slab from someone at MIT a few months back, with the full 3.0 release (base+developer) on it. My school dosen't have a NeXT sales rep handy... what exactly is the pricing on the 3.1 upgrade CD's for educational folks and who (at NeXT) should I REALLY be asking all this?.. ;-) I've seen several different prices running around for various combos of the 3.1 parts, but haven't really kept up. The only assurance I have that NeXT even knows I exist is that Conrad Geiger mails me stuff occasionally ;-) Since one of the 3.1 things flying around was talk of a "july special", I figured I'd better ask now in case I miss out on something, but maybe that was for the Intel release... (I told you this was going to make me look like an idiot) Thanks much for any info... (and no comments about the bugginess of 3.1; if it's that bad, I'll go back to 3.0 and wait for 3.2...) -- Mike Andrews root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) -- Primus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) Subject: Re: Getting rid of NEXTSTEP boot block Message-ID: <1993Jul27.053419.8746@uwasa.fi> Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland References: <CAsHHF.8I3@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 05:34:19 GMT In article <CAsHHF.8I3@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@bnk014.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: >We tried installing NEXTSTEP on a DECstation 425c PC (just >to try it), and it failed. So we reinstalled DOS, but when >we boot, the screen continuously prints the message > > NeXT boot1 v1.17 > >and does not boot. How do we fix this? I hope there is an easier solution than this: I got rid of that when low-level formatting the hard disk. Yes, I know that they say you can't low-level format an AT/IDE disk. But you can, with proper tools (like v5.x Disk Manager) >Thanks - Mark > >P.S. Believe me, we would have been a lot happier if > the NEXTSTEP installation just worked. > >P.P.S. We have already tried "format /s" commands with no > luck. -harri- -- ///// Harri Valkama, hv@uwasa.fi (also NeXTmail welcome) ///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland ///// Telephone: +358 61 324 8364 fax: +358 61 324 8465 ///// Anonymous ftp site moderator at garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1)
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel GX questions Message-ID: <232it7$je@news.u.washington.edu> Date: 27 Jul 93 06:44:55 GMT Article-I.D.: news.232it7$je References: <1993Jul26.203426.21212@crash> Organization: University of Washington The on-board sound for the GX will be supported in 3.2. Strangely, there are no plans (by NeXT) to support the on-board SCSI last I heard. Hopefully, Intel will follow through on this glaring deficiency. Just to completely screw the situation with what could be NeXT's best Intel platform, 3.1 doesn't even work when using DMA for the IDE drive on the latest machines. When DMA is disabled, the system works fine, albeit more slowly. David Basiji UW Bioengineering
From: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/FIP Dual Boot program Date: 27 Jul 1993 07:40:59 GMT Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Distribution: world Message-ID: <232m6b$b8d@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it> References: <2319krINNt0@crcnis1.unl.edu> Hubert B. Hickman writes > I did a DOS 6.0 upgrade on a DOS partition on a NS/FIP machine. But, it > seems that DOS 6.0 (being the nice friendly upgrade that it is) wiped out > the boot manager that used to exist and ask which OS to boot. Now if the > active partition is DOS, it boots DOS. If the active paritiion is NS, > it boots NS, no questions asked in either case. > I would guess that there is a hidden file or two lurking about > somwehere on the DOS side that handles the dual boot, but does > anyone know how to get the bootmanager back to working shape if the > DOS partition has been "upgraded"? There are three boot programs in /usr/standalone/boot/ : boot0, boot1 and boot. boot0 is the program you need. You can replace the Dos Master Boot Record with NeXT boot0 using /etc/disk : disk -B0 /usr/standalone/boot0 /dev/rsd0h You must be root to execute this command, and you must be careful that you specify the correct device (which may or may not be the one shown above) > Thanks, > Hubert Hickman Ciao Michele -- Giardini Michele - Computer Science Department State University of Milan - Coordinator of NeXT2You (The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) Via Comelico 39/41 - 20135 Milano Tel. +39 2 55006385 Fax +39 2 55006373 Email: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (NeXT mail welcome)
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis Lafont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Date: 27 Jul 1993 12:42:27 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2337rj$rvg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sure nova should use gzip. We here have 3GB of datas (NS as well as Unix) and 3 months ago we have switch from compress to gzip. We save 30% of disk space. The only thing to do is to change path, in order for Opener to use gzip instead of compress... Denis -- _________________________________________________________________ Denis LAFONT, MIS Consultant for SCT (France) Tel: (+33) 35.75.19.43 --------- Fax: (+33) 35.75.43.12 e-mail : cs438@cleveland.freenet.edu -no NeXT Mail please ;-(-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: NSFIP w/16 bit color, 16 megs Message-ID: <1993Jul27.132446.23789@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 13:24:46 GMT Are there any user of NSFIP out there using 16-bit color with only 16 megs? 16 megs is listed as the minimum, w/24 suggested. I would like to hear how NSFIP runs as a single-user system, with not TOO much going on at once, w/only 16 megs in 16-bit color. Thanks is advance for replies, Craig -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Mac sound files Message-ID: <1993Jul27.092216.5546@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 09:22:16 GMT In article <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mbsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew B Smith) writes: > Are there any applications floating about that I may use to convert Mac > sound files into those compatable with the NeXT platform? There's GISO which is a public domain utility (a front-end to SOX) that converts some Mac sound files as well as many other sound file formats. Our MetroTools package includes a Sound Importer module that converts more forms of Mac sound files, including 'snd' resources. It also handles Mac resource forks under NEXTSTEP 3.x, MacBinary files, sample rate detection, etc. - all automatically. It even creates separate sound files for each Mac 'snd' resource it finds in a file. Drag and drop Mac sound files (or folders of files) into the panel and it does the rest. GISO doesn't have these features. For info on MetroTools, you can e-mail info@metrosoft.com. Regards, Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
From: kbm8572@summa.tamu.edu (BRYAN MILLIGAN) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a PD version of the DearMom font? Date: 27 Jul 1993 10:44 CDT Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <27JUL199310443512@summa.tamu.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 (gasp) and came across a TrueType font called DearMom. This font looks as if a four-year-old created it; it's hilarious. Is there a NeXT equivalent version available in the public domain (or for a very low price). I want to typeset my dissertation with it. bryan bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu "When pigs are outlawed, only outlaws will have pigs."
From: rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Mach on SGI (was: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486) Date: 27 Jul 1993 16:59:14 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> <229n46$mcq@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: : >I would be happy just having a Mach kernel on my SGI, for starters... Why? What features of the mach kernel do you wish to see in Irix? ...robert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Can Partner mount AFP Volumes? Message-ID: <CAu2zq.2I1@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Distribution: na Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 17:23:50 GMT I have been running uShare 1.09 on my 3.0 Cube for some time with great success. It's a very nice product. I have since been trying to go the other way with Partner from the same company (IPT). This program is supposed to allow you to access AFP volumes on a Mac say while at the same time using uShare. I can get Partner to see a LaserWriter (actually an HP-4M), but I can't ge it to mount an AFP volume ( I could do this with NeXT's Appletalk, and still can if I enable it). What happens if that nothing gets places under the /Net directory ( that is it's empty). If I use NeXT's Appletalk I get all kinds of subdirectories of /Net. Partner is supposed to place an AppleShare subdirectory into /Net. It doesn't! Any help appreciated. Thank's,....Philip Please, no NeXT Mail for now. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for recomendations of fast SCSI CD-ROM drive Date: 27 Jul 1993 17:32:30 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: usa Message-ID: <233oreINNr55@uwm.edu> Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Hi all, A few people has been commenting that the NeXT CD drive isn't that fast as compared to some of the newer ones, and it isn't made any more. So, could some one recommend a good replacement for it? As well as where it is sold and at what price. Thanks in advance, -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT?? Message-ID: <69705@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 27 Jul 93 17:18:29 GMT References: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> <KARTHY.93Jul25181812@dannug.dannug.dk> <ntomczak.743594464@vega> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <ntomczak.743594464@vega>, ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes: > for more often used numbers you may add, for kermit, in your > .kermrc lines like this: > define this dial 5555555 > and just type 'this' ... at a kermit prompt. or even better, make a command script called ~/myfavorite-host containing a kermit style chat script like set input timeout-action quit dial (999) 999-9999 output \13 input 10 login: output myname\13 input 20 password: output mypassword\13 connect and then the kermit command "take ~/myfavorite-host" dials and logs you in then since kermit can be given a command file as input on startup, you can define an alias alias myhost kermit ~/myfavorite-host so you dont even have to enter kermit, just type myhost at the shell prompt this is just the surface, kermit is one really nice comm package P.S. if anyone has figured out how to get kermit to dial a defender, wait for the callback and then login, please let me know. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NSFIP w/16 bit color, 16 megs Date: 27 Jul 1993 17:59:31 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <233qe3$no0@nic.umass.edu> References: <1993Jul27.132446.23789@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu wrote: :Are there any user of NSFIP out there using 16-bit color with only 16 megs? :16 megs is listed as the minimum, w/24 suggested. I would like to hear how :NSFIP runs as a single-user system, with not TOO much going on at once, w/only :16 megs in 16-bit color. One of my systems has only 16 megs in it and it really isn't too bad. Window movement is rather slow, but I still find it quite usable. Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: NSFIP w/16 bit color, 16 megs Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Date: 27 Jul 93 10:32:02 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul27.103202.26801@crash> References: <1993Jul27.132446.23789@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu wrote: : Are there any user of NSFIP out there using 16-bit color with only 16 megs? : 16 megs is listed as the minimum, w/24 suggested. I would like to hear how : NSFIP runs as a single-user system, with not TOO much going on at once, w/only : 16 megs in 16-bit color. : : Thanks is advance for replies, : : Craig : : -- : Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? : cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him. Well, we have NS/I running on an Intel GX Professional machine with 16MB RAM. With 16bit color. The disk is busy a lot of the time. But it is usable. When RAM gets cheap, you can bet I'm going to upgrade to 32MB though! -- brian
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: File Encryption in Workspace.app Date: 27 Jul 1993 18:38:56 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <233so0$ek@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I was browsing through the filesystem in NS3.0, and I came across some interesting NIB files. Specificallly, in /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/English.lproj/EncryptPanel.nib This nib is has a picture of a closed lock with a text field asking user to enter they file encryption "key". I think I heard last year that the government did not allow NeXT to incorporate this encryption because it was too powerful (and if it fell into the wrong hands....) Is this true? If so, it it interesting they still have the resources in the .app folder. Secondly, some other interesting NIB's in Workspace.app deal with the debugging programs that are evidently built in to help debug this monster of an app. Take a look at: /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/WMDebug.nib and /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/FMStats.nib Have fun! Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu (Richard Wagner) Subject: Has anyone installed GOPHER(server) on NS/FIP? Message-ID: <wagner.1490.743799092@main.mndly.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 18:51:33 GMT I installed Gopher (server) on a 486 EISA machine. When I connect to the server for the first time everything works dandy. Every time after that though I get a 'Gopher Error. Nothing in root' or something like that. If I go in by hand and delete the .cache file that resides in the gopher-data directory I'm able to connect for a SINGLE session again. This .cache file is always zero length. Anybody have any clues? Rick W.
From: dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <88630@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 27 Jul 93 17:39:14 GMT References: <1993Jul26.202301.9794@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Distribution: usa My experiences with NeXTWORLD have also been less than memorable. I find the magazine enjoyable, but I like to have my phone calls returned. -- *** David Slotnick *** Applied Research Laboratories *** dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu NeXTmail desired and appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Sorry for the delay... Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 19:21:16 GMT Message-ID: <CAu8FG.G82@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NeXT, multimedia, summaries Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Quite some time ago I requested informed opinions about NeXTdimensions in this newsgroup, and comparisons between NeXT, Windows and Mac for multimedia in the real world in comp.multimedia. I got a number of requests for summaries and very few replies. I've been waiting for further comments and doing some research on my own, hence the delay. I will be posting my data and opinions shortly. Someone (I didn't note who) recently pointed out the skewed ratio of requests for info:posted summaries, and noted this as a breach of netiquette. i concur, and apologize for any inconvenience. (Not that my opinions are really worth a damn.) Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: wollman@UVM.EDU (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Mach on SGI (was: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486) Message-ID: <1993Jul27.185600.22050@emba.uvm.edu> Sender: news@emba.uvm.edu Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> <229n46$mcq@disuns2.epfl.ch> <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 18:56:00 GMT In article <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com>, Robert Keller <rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com> wrote: >matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: >: >>I would be happy just having a Mach kernel on my SGI, for starters... > >Why? What features of the mach kernel do you wish to see in Irix? > Perhaps he is not interested in ``features of the mach [sic] kernel'', but in running Mach itself... Heretical notion, I know, but there are actually people out there who would like to do this. (And I know it has been done: I've seen it running. But I won't point fingers at the people who did it; if they want the notoriety, they'll have to tell you themselves.) (Similarly, there are people who would love to be able to run Net/2 or (even better) 4.4 on their SGI boxen.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@emba.uvm.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. uvm-gen!wollman | It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people UVM disagrees. | who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kalim@netcom.com (Kalim Sawires) Subject: Re: Intel GX questions Message-ID: <kalimCAu7rs.GwM@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <232it7$je@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 19:07:03 GMT David Basiji (basiji@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote: : The on-board sound for the GX will be supported : in 3.2. Strangely, there are no plans (by NeXT) : to support the on-board SCSI last I heard. : Hopefully, Intel will follow through on this : glaring deficiency. : Just to completely screw the situation with what : could be NeXT's best Intel platform, 3.1 doesn't : even work when using DMA for the IDE drive on the : latest machines. When DMA is disabled, the system : works fine, albeit more slowly. : David Basiji : UW Bioengineering Some clarifications of this are in order. The on-board audio will be supported very soon (well before 3.2). As a matter of fact, I have a beta version of the driver already, which is quite stable, and the final release is "Just around the corner". The on-board SCSI is being developed at Intel in unison with Adaptec. It is currently in beta cycle as well. I spoke with the person writing the driver, and he is very confident in it's stability. It will go back to Intel corporate very soon, and the release will follow shortly. A note on that is that the driver will not support booting up from an external SCSI hard disk, but access to CD-ROM's and external hard disks will be available. Finally, DMA IDE will be supported under 3.2. -- Kalim Sawires Wyle Laboratories kalim@netcom.com (310) 804-1460 Disclaimer: The standard stuff about my employer not being responsible for my verbosity (is that a word?)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <1993Jul27.112726.2940@rbc.uucp> Sender: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Organization: Huh? References: <1993Jul25.182309.27800@chiton.ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 11:27:26 GMT Here's a suggestion for a fund raiser: Sell a CD-rom set with Nova's contents. Some of us don't have ftp access or have it only very inconveniently, like through a 2400 baud modem. I will gladly pay $100 for this.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pjoey@charon.muc.de (Peter Eybert) Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <1993Jul27.200732.898@charon.muc.de> Sender: pjoey@charon.muc.de Organization: Peter Eybert References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 20:07:32 GMT From the "free year" I got two issues, then there was nothing. You in the US are lucky because you can go down to the shop and get it. Well I could either but imagine you should pay $20 for about 80 pages and late information. That's how it is here in Germany, because one has to pay DM 21.95 for one issue. I've stopped buying NeXTWORLD when I got access to the net. Information is faster. -- ____________________________________________________________ Peter Eybert pjoe@charon.muc.de Appenzellerstr. 123 Tel: +49-89-7593734 81475 Muenchen (wanted: NeXTMail) --
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Color enhancement on NeXT monitor using Calibrator.app Date: 27 Jul 1993 20:13:33 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <23429d$50e@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <23284j$frv@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <23284j$frv@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) writes: &- Hi, &- &- To me, the Calibrator.app works more than just matching the &- screen colors to the printer. With little adjustment on the Gamma, &- Bright, Contrast and RGB values, I get a much better look on my NeXT &- Color monitor. It is a lot sharper and no longer looks washed-out. &- Due to a lot of requests, I am reposting the following info. (I guess quite a few of you are not completely satisfied with your Fimi Color Monitor.:-) The app is located on cs.orst.edu under /pub/next/binaries/graphics/Calibrator.app.compressed. The values on my settings are: Gamma - 1.768 Bright - 85 Contrast - 0 Red: -4 Green: -6 Blue: 1 White Point: Max (255?) for all RGB Black Point: Min(0?) for all RGB Good luck. Gary -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Encryption in Workspace.app Date: 27 Jul 1993 20:39:53 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2343qp$2ls@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <233so0$ek@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <233so0$ek@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: |> I was browsing through the filesystem in NS3.0, and I came across some |> interesting NIB files. Specificallly, in |> |> /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/English.lproj/EncryptPanel.nib |> |> This nib is has a picture of a closed lock with a text field asking user to |> enter they file encryption "key". I think I heard last year that the |> government did not allow NeXT to incorporate this encryption because it |> was too powerful (and if it fell into the wrong hands....) Is this true? |> If so, it it interesting they still have the resources in the .app folder. |> |> Secondly, some other interesting NIB's in Workspace.app deal with the debugging |> programs that are evidently built in to help debug this monster of an app. |> Take a look at: |> |> /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/WMDebug.nib |> |> and |> |> /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/FMStats.nib |> |> |> Have fun! |> |> Eric Unix comes with an encription and decription program, and this may be just a front end to this suit of tools. From what I understand the encription method is fairly simple and can be broken reasonably easy if someone knows what they are doing. Just my thoughts. john.
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Will other (non-HP) PA-RISC systems run NEXTSTEP-PA? Date: 27 Jul 1993 20:57:35 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2344s0INNr09@gap.caltech.edu> I noticed in clari.nb.trends how Hitachi was ramping up its PA-RISC systems. Does anyone know the relative size of the non-HP PA-RISC marketplace? Also, is there good standardization of bus and driver specifications? In other words, given that the NEXTSTEP for Precision RISC architectures (NS/FPR? NS/FPAP?) port is already underway: - will it automatically run on non-HP systems? - would it be hard to port to them? - is the market even big enough to worry about? It probably doesn't matter a lot one way or the other, but the more manufacturers NeXT is associated with, the happier I get. :-) -enp -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: Mac sound files Message-ID: <1993Jul27.212944.23789@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <230lu8$kss@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 21:29:44 GMT Matthew B Smith writes > Are there any applications floating about that I may use to convert Mac > sound files into those compatable with the NeXT platform? > > Thanks in advance. > > M. Bradley Smith > mbsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Yes - "mactosnd" and "mac2snd" both PD. - Barre Ludvigsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT?? Message-ID: <5TRFB6QT@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 22:15:05 GMT Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) wrote: : Could someone who has successfully used a ZyXEL high-speed modem on a NeXT : please contact me? The literature claims it will work, but I am unable to: Get a copy of NXFaxDemo from your fauvorite ftp-server. Then things will (should) work. With the NeXT fax daemon I think you cant do simultaneously fax and modem (dial in) services with the Zyxel - actually I don't know any modem which would do that. With the NXFax software you can do this very smoothly. In the demo mode of NXFax you can simultaneously send one page faxes #and# enable dialin - and of course dial out. I work w/ NXFax for quite some time and it runs very nice. Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
From: ridgway@inls3.tmc.edu (Doug Ridgway) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .au to .snd Date: 27 Jul 1993 22:46:21 GMT Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <234b7tINNr1u@network.ucsd.edu> References: <CAszux.9pB@news.iastate.edu> In article <CAszux.9pB@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) writes: >Hello all, > >I was just wondering if some kind soul out there could email me on how >to go about converting from .au to .snd (some program available somewhere >or something). You help would be very much apreciated. Thanx in advance. > >Brian >sela@iastate.edu Be warned that I know nothing about sound files, but recently, when I got a .au file, I double-clicked on it and it brought up Edit. I wanted to play it, so I renamed it to .snd, doubled-clicked and it played just fine. I still know nothing about sound formats. Ignorance is a virtue, doug.
Control: cancel <wagner.1490.743799092@main.mndly.umn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu (Richard Wagner) Subject: Has anyone installed GOPHER(server) on NS/FIP? Message-ID: <wagner.1492.743814870@main.mndly.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 23:14:30 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: Intel GX questions Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Date: 27 Jul 93 17:08:44 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul27.170844.17826@crash> References: <kalimCAu7rs.GwM@netcom.com> Kalim Sawires (kalim@netcom.com) wrote: : [...] : : Some clarifications of this are in order. The on-board : audio will be supported very soon (well before 3.2). : [...] : : The on-board SCSI is being developed at Intel in unison : with Adaptec. It is currently in beta cycle as well. : : [...] : Kalim Sawires Wyle Laboratories : kalim@netcom.com (310) 804-1460 : Disclaimer: The standard stuff about my employer not being : responsible for my verbosity (is that a word?) Wow, wow, and more wow! I am pleased to hear all this. This will make working with the Intel GX even more of a joy. However, the thing that would really "top it off" is support for true NeXT resolution (not just 1024x768). I have the GX only 4 feet from a MegaPixel connected to a Cube, and the difference in resolution is very noticable when working with graphics illustration programs where you wind up with lots of windows and inspectors and toolboxes on the screen, all crowding for space. Ideally I would like to see 1280x1024 resolution. Any chance?
From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT shell window and VMS Edit problem Date: 27 Jul 1993 19:34:45 -0500 Organization: tamu Distribution: world Message-ID: <234hj5$ha8@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: VMS, Edit, modem, Hi! I have some problem with the Edit in VMS over the modem connection from the NeXTstation. Somehow from the shell window in NeXT the carriage return inside the Edit in VMS behaves crazy. It does not move the curser to the beginning of the next line, but puts at some other weirdest place you can imagine. It just messes up the display, but after I do "ctrl-z" and "c" at the * prompt, I can see in fact things are at the right place. It is fairly annoying that I have to keep doing this to have the normal display. It does not happen with the TPU editor, but it happens with EDIT editor. Of course, no problem with using emacs on any UNIX machines under the same connection. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong and how I can fix it without ruining the other nicely working editors? Thanks in advance. hs
From: vasu@beancounter.commerce.ubc.ca (Vasu Krishnamurthy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Turning off the printer Date: 27 Jul 1993 19:08:11 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <233uerINNil3@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> I like to turn the printer off every time I log out. Under NS 3.0, I did this automatically by writing the following in my defaults database: dwrite loginwindow LogoutHook <path/myfile> where <myfile> is a script to turn off the printer. This does not work under 3.1. Any suggestions about how else one could do the same thing? Please respond via email, as I don't read this bboard very often. Thanks in advance. -- Vasu Krishnamurthy Faculty of Commerce and Business Administration University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z2 CANADA vasu@beancounter.commerce.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) Subject: ZyXEL and 19.2 ZyX protocol (was Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT??) Message-ID: <CAuotK.6xr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications References: <22ptes$3gk@hub.ucsb.edu> <KARTHY.93Jul25181812@dannug.dannug.dk> <ntomczak.743594464@vega> <69705@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 01:15:19 GMT I've successfully made a connection between two NeXTs (black) with two ZyXEL 1496E+'s with a V.32bis (14.4) connection (via kermit on cufb/ttydfb), but I just get garbage when I try to use either the 16.8 or 19.2 proprietary speeds of the E+'s. Has anyone made a successful connection using the ZyX protocol? Thanks, Todd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.text.tex From: mjh@kronecker.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins) Subject: Metafont problem Message-ID: <1993Jul28.011106.16850@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 01:11:06 GMT Well, this is probably a pretty obscure question, but here goes. I have been trying to install the fonts lams1 - lams5 (part of the Lamstex distribution) for use with Burchard's diagram.sty package. The problem is I can't get metafont to compile the .mf files. I am using a NeXTstation mono slab with system 3.0 (yeah, one of these days I'll find the time to do the upgrade) and METAFONT version 2.71. A friend got this to compile with METAFONT version 2.7. Is there some change between versions that would make this file not compile? Below is the output from my attempt to make the .tfm and .pk files. Thanks in advance Mike Hopkins mjh@math.mit.edu ------------- beetlejuice (diagram-3) <8:20am> [122]: MakeTeXPK lams2 300 100 magstep\(1.0\) mf \mode:=nextscreen; mag:=magstep(1.0); scrollmode; input lams2 \</dev/null This is METAFONT, C Version 2.71 (/usr/lib/mf/inputs/lams2.mf (/usr/lib/mf/inputs/cmbase.mf) [0] [13] [26]2[39] [52][65] [7]8] [91] [104] [1] [14] [27] [40] [53] [66] [79] [92] [105] [2] [15] [28] [41] [54] [67] [80] [93] [106] [3] [16] [29] [42] [55] [68] [81] [94] [107] [4] [17] [30] [43] [56] [69] [82] [95] [108] [5] [18] [31] [44] [57] [70] [83] [96] [109] [6] [19] [32] [45] [58] [71] [84] [97] [110] [7] [20] [33] [46] [59] [72] [85] [98] [111] [8] [21] [34] [47] [60] [73] [86] [99] [112] [9] [22] [35] [48] [61] [74] [87] [100] [113] [10] [23] [36] [49] [62] [75] [88] [101] [114] [11] [24] [37] [50] [63] [76] [89] [102] [115] [12] [25] [38] [51] [64] [77] [90] [103] [116] >> -1 ! Division by zero. <to be read again> ) adjust_fit->...it;do_expansion(w/(charwd_in*hppp)) ; l.513 adjust_fit(0,0) ; pickup crisp.nib; [117] >> -1 ! Division by zero. <to be read again> ) adjust_fit->...it;do_expansion(w/(charwd_in*hppp)) ; l.528 adjust_fit(0,0) ; pickup crisp.nib; [118] >> -1 ! Division by zero. <to be read again> ) adjust_fit->...it;do_expansion(w/(charwd_in*hppp)) ; l.543 adjust_fit(0,0) ; pickup crisp.nib; [119] >> -1 ! Division by zero. <to be read again> ) adjust_fit->...it;do_expansion(w/(charwd_in*hppp)) ; l.559 adjust_fit(0,0) ; pickup crisp.nib; [120] [121] [122] ) (see the transcript file for additional information) Font metrics written on lams2.tfm. Output written on lams2.120gf (123 characters, 4172 bytes). Transcript written on lams2.log. Metafont failed for some reason on lams2.300gf -- ----------------------------------- Mike Hopkins mjh@math.mit.edu -----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Re: summary : vendors of NS/i systems Message-ID: <1993Jul28.023251.1572@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <1993Jul24.115640.1094@crash> <1993Jul26.182031.1773@proforma.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 02:32:51 GMT In the haste to rush Brian his Professional GX (After frantic effort and prodigious sweating I made FedEx by five minutes) I forgot to carefully place his manuals in the box. Those manuals have been placed in the care of my trustworthy secretary, who will forward them to Brian with due haste. I explained this to Brian, who had already graciously retracted his negative statements about my service. About the charge that resellers should have multiple NS/I specialists: I agree. However, I'm lucky to be working with NS/I at all. After the hardware crash the company president officially reassigned me to market Sun workstations to the local engineering community. It's only through sheer disobedience and help from NeXT's kind Rocky Mountain sales staff that I am privileged enough to call myself a NS/I specialist. Kris Magnusson NS/I Specialist Alpine Computing MicroAge In article <1993Jul26.182031.1773@proforma.com> jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) writes: >In article <1993Jul24.115640.1094@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian >Dear) writes: >> >>Followup to my flame on Alpine Computing. Mr. Magnusson called our >office >>today, Saturday, from his home, and helped answer my questions and >resolve >>my problems. I want the Net to know I am a satisfied customer of >Alpine >>and now have the Intel GX machine working. Mr. Magnusson has gone >out >>of his way to help and we appreciate that. >> >> >>-- brian dear >> coconut computing, inc. >> la jolla, ca > >Just a darn minute. You made several complaints, not all of which >could have been addressed by Mr. Magnusson from his home. Where was >the hardware documentation? I don't doubt that Alpine might be one >of the better vendors, but you were flinging complaints before. > >--J Gregory -- Yan Fang-Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctoral candidate, Department of Philosophy, University of Utah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: man -> rtf? Message-ID: <1993Jul27.225727.2359@yvax.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) Date: 27 Jul 93 22:57:26 -0700 I would like to be able to type a command from the command line that would bring up the man page I desire without going through Librarian. I thought If I could do a nroff -man | (an nroff to rtf translator) | Edit. (I know Edit won't take this...but you get the idea.) I guess I could write a simple translator myself, but Librarian seems to do it. (..unless those are PostScript files it creates.) Any ideas? P.S. I don't really want to open it in Preview (I hate paging...). -- John Peterson -- Networked Computer Support -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: Printers-HP LaserJet 4 and HP 4M Message-ID: <CAsrM8.2xr@califhistsoc.org> Keywords: HP printers Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org (one) Organization: California Historical Society - Bringing the 19th Century, kicking and screaming, into the 21st! 415 567-1848 or fax 415 567-2394. Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 00:20:31 GMT I know this has been a well manicured subject at times---but I missed the conversation and need some information. Does the HP LaserJet 4 work with NeXTSTEP or the Black Hardware. My development department needs to crank out lots-o-envelopes and that is one of their solutions. Being mindful of bringing the whole institution online with NeXTSTEP eventually, does this hardware work and can I network the printer so that I have a 600DPI printer on the net??? Any information about configurations, drivers, needed cables for both Black and White hardware would be appreciated. All replies to: RM@CALIFHISTSOC.ORG and thanks....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <1993Jul28.054206.20962@uwasa.fi> Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland References: <1993Jul25.182309.27800@chiton.ucsd.edu> <1993Jul27.112726.2940@rbc.uucp> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 05:42:06 GMT In article <1993Jul27.112726.2940@rbc.uucp> davis@ee.rochester.edu writes: >Here's a suggestion for a fund raiser: > >Sell a CD-rom set with Nova's contents. Walnut Creek CDROM has already made such at November 1992 (I am not quite sure about the month) and I have those discs to sell, too. I hope they make an update soon. >Some of us don't have ftp access or have it only very inconveniently, like >through a 2400 baud modem. > >I will gladly pay $100 for this. The price was USD40, if I remember. -harri- -- ///// Harri Valkama, hv@uwasa.fi (also NeXTmail welcome) ///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland ///// Telephone: +358 61 324 8364 fax: +358 61 324 8465 ///// Anonymous ftp site moderator at garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: ND Software Message-ID: <CAupxM.5yE@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 01:39:21 GMT I asked a very general question about ND software last week. I should have asked a more specific question. Is there any software to capture video clips and send them out the digital output on the board? Is the ND capable of mixing video from 2 of the inputs and sending it out the output? Is the ND capable of overlaying an image on the computer onto live video as is passes from the ND input to the output. last thing I got my ND from someone who had it sitting on a shelf with no Docs. If anyone has the docs or any technical info on the ND it would be nice if you can send it. NeXTmail is fine. I'll post all email responses to the net. Thanks, Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens H|rup Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "mix" from i*link ? Date: 28 Jul 1993 07:19:09 GMT Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University Message-ID: <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Summary: What is "mix" ? Keywords: mix ilink i*link modem voice responce I once read about "mix" from i*link, Germany. It should be a 2400 baud modem, a group III fax and have capabilities of voice responce. Where can I buy it, what is the price and is it compatible with the phonekit? -- Jens Hoerup Denmark
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Mach on SGI (was: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486) Date: 28 Jul 1993 09:36:18 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <235hai$d90@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> <229n46$mcq@disuns2.epfl.ch> <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Jul27.185600.22050@emba.uvm.edu> In article <1993Jul27.185600.22050@emba.uvm.edu>, wollman@UVM.EDU (Garrett Wollman) writes: > In article <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com>, > Robert Keller <rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com> wrote: > >matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > >: > >>I would be happy just having a Mach kernel on my SGI, for starters... > > > >Why? What features of the mach kernel do you wish to see in Irix? > > > > Perhaps he is not interested in ``features of the mach [sic] kernel'', > but in running Mach itself... Heretical notion, I know, but there are Besides ports and highly efficient multitasking (which maybe you can accomplish through sproc, but I have no benchmarks), the feature I would like to see most would be its cleanness. Once I thought that it would become the next step in the evolution of Unix, but I guess that doesn't look that well now... By running Mach itself, and not just adding its features, you are also more "standard" (at least at CMU :-) ). -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SGI industrial design (was: Sinix on Indigo???) Date: 28 Jul 1993 10:12:11 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <235jdr$ei7@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <1993Jul26.200121.26521@serveme.chi.il.us> <jdp710c@zuni.esd.sgi.com> <232t84$ths@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <232t84$ths@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, andreas@awstar.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Andreas Wierse) writes: > > The only difference seems to > be that the Indigo is no longer Indigo-coloured but comes in a fantastic > ergonomical eye-flashing dark-grey case :-). German bureaucrates don't like > unorthodox colours in german offices :-(. > Well, I would probably agree with them in the case of the Indigo II, that green is *really* eye-flashing... And I do not want to even think about a granite-textured keyboard for the Indy. I am no professional typist and I have to look at the keys... Now for the constructive critic, it happened here that the monitor of our beloved (sorry) NeXT cube went dead, so I changed the black monitor for a Sony (16in. also) that came with an 8-bit Indigo that we have lying around. Of course the Sony is much better that the Megapixel, but when I turned on the thing, I had the same feeling that when I saw NeXTStep on a 486 machine: It just looks awful! (of course if you were running windows before, it is great) NeXTstep NEEDS that black monitor (at least the front face). The black one, disappears in the background, the white one is always there emprisoning you! Now, I wouldn't say this is that critical for 19in and up displays, because in that case, the sides of the box start to be in the periphery of your FOV (when your attention is on the screen). So how about monitors with a black front face? They could be quite cool, do not look so dirty as the black ones when you do not clean them, and they are boring enough for a non-yuppie-style office. For the keyboard, DO NOT make them black (that's the only black thing on the NeXT that was wrong). Remember, be it for scientific visualization, publishing or movies, a correct perception of color is of utmost importance to the people using SGI machines, so please keep those textures out of the front! -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) Subject: Is there going to be SMP support for NS? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 12:04:43 GMT Message-ID: <CAvIvv.CxA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: SMP, nextstep Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I was wondering if NeXT was going to introduce SMP support for NS. I don't really care what platform (ie. I want to be able to drive the GUI and some applications while I have some serious backgroup processes running[imaging]). I don't really care if it's INTEL/ALPHA/MIPS or whatever based...but when is SMP coming to NS!? Thanks..Ken -- --- Ken Lam Network Administrator @ University of Charleston / Dept of Biology & Geology S.C. Space Grant Consortium (803)-792-4969 / FAX (803)-792-5446
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Intel GX questions Message-ID: <bchin.743862170@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <kalimCAu7rs.GwM@netcom.com> <1993Jul27.170844.17826@crash> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 12:22:50 GMT coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >Kalim Sawires (kalim@netcom.com) wrote: >: The on-board SCSI is being developed at Intel in unison >: with Adaptec. It is currently in beta cycle as well. >: Please note that the on-board SCSI is only about the level of an Adaptec 1522 - It's performance is slower than the 154x series, and it's much slower than the DPT EISA board. For hanging your SCSI CD-ROM or tape drive, it'll be an inexpensive solution though. >However, the thing that would really "top it off" is support for true >NeXT resolution (not just 1024x768). I have the GX only 4 feet from >a MegaPixel connected to a Cube, and the difference in resolution is >very noticable when working with graphics illustration programs where >you wind up with lots of windows and inspectors and toolboxes on the >screen, all crowding for space. Ideally I would like to see 1280x1024 >resolution. Any chance? With only 2mb of video memory, 1280x1024 is only possible at 8bit gray (which, I might add, could be very nice anyways). The Mach32 chip is supposed to be able to take 4mb of video memory (according to Byte), but there doesn't seem to be any implementations that allow for it. It would be nice to get NeXT native resolution, though. -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kbacon@austin.onu.edu (C0d3 M0n$t3r) Subject: Re: Getting rid of NEXTSTEP boot block Sender: usenet@austin.onu.edu (Network News owner) Message-ID: <1993Jul28.131844.146135@austin.onu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 13:18:44 GMT References: <1993Jul27.053419.8746@uwasa.fi> Organization: Ohio Northern University Harri Valkama (hv@uwasa.fi) wrote: : In article <CAsHHF.8I3@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@bnk014.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: : >We tried installing NEXTSTEP on a DECstation 425c PC (just : >to try it), and it failed. So we reinstalled DOS, but when : >we boot, the screen continuously prints the message : > : > NeXT boot1 v1.17 : > : >and does not boot. How do we fix this? : I hope there is an easier solution than this: I have fixed many a failing to boot machine with the following undocument fdisk switch... fdisk /mbr I believe it rewrites the boot sector or something as such...It's never hurt my disk, but use at your own risk...:-) : I got rid of that when low-level formatting the hard disk. Yes, I : know that they say you can't low-level format an AT/IDE disk. But you : can, with proper tools (like v5.x Disk Manager) : >Thanks - Mark : > : >P.S. Believe me, we would have been a lot happier if : > the NEXTSTEP installation just worked. : > : >P.P.S. We have already tried "format /s" commands with no : > luck. : -harri- : -- : ///// Harri Valkama, hv@uwasa.fi (also NeXTmail welcome) : ///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland : ///// Telephone: +358 61 324 8364 fax: +358 61 324 8465 : ///// Anonymous ftp site moderator at garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Windows NT Released Message-ID: <1993Jul28.124748.233@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 12:47:48 GMT According to today's Wall Street Journal, MicroSoft released Windows NT to manufacturing yesterday. They said that meant it would be available in about 3 weeks. --J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <CAvrGy.5ow@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 15:10:09 GMT In article <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > If 50 people contributed $20 apiece that would buy a used 1 GB drive. I > personally get at least that much benefit from nova (or at least I used to > before it stopped working) since I'm not on the net and can't access it > via ftp. Hopefully 49 other NeXT users get similar benefits. > > How about it? Hi, Allen B here. I'll double-check procedure here, but when it came up before, there didn't seem to be a problem on this end. I've been working on a program that allows searching of sonata (via a copy of an enhanced index on your end) and a front end to the mail server (it should be cool when I have a little more time to finish it) and also contains a lot of the README and all the Index information at the site. I was going to add a donation page to the Help for just this purpose. I'll try to determine a politically correct mechanism for getting this done and post instructions here as soon as I can. It might be a while because I'm still running around doing 3.1 upgrades and software installation for the new semester, but I'll try to get back to you soon. I wasn't crazy about the "Nova" disk, mostly because it resembled my site more in name than content. Of course the site is too big to fit on a CD, or our 660MB drive wouldn't be (beyond) full. :-) Now that gzip is shipped with 3.1, we are considering using it as the default compression scheme. We will >not< use a version of gzip that isn't shipped as part of a NeXT software release to ensure compatibility with the widest audience. The "widest audience" goal is much more important than tighter compression, which is why we're still using the ubiquitous UNIX compress, tar, and gnutar (when necessary). Allen B (Email on these subjects to archive-management, please)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dannie@coplex.coplex.com (Dannie Gregoire) Subject: NextStep's MACH - How good is it? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 15:39:19 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul28.153919.24606@coplex.coplex.com> Keywords: nextstep mach Organization: Copper UNIX/USENET Services Hi, I have a couple of questions concerning NextStep.... I have read a great deal about NextStep's GUI and developer environments. However, I have not heard much about the operating system underneath it all....MACH. 1) How close is MACH to other flavor's of unix? 2) Does NextStep support multi-port serial cards on the pc? 3) Is it possible to run NextStep's mach without booting into the GUI? Our company is considering using NextStep as a development platform for in-house applications. However, we do not have the resources to replace all of our existing text based terminals with PC's (capable of running NextStep) all at once. We would like to be able to develop both GUI and text based applications under NextStep, using PC's (running NextStep) as department level unix boxes. This would allow us to make the transition from a centralized/text based environment to a distributed GUI environment, using a single operating system. However, all of this depends very heavily upon how robust NextStep's unix is. Any help in this area is greatly appreciated. Dannie J. Gregoire dannie@coplex.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <1993Jul28.151347.22292@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. References: <1993Jul20.124730.28995@cyantic.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 15:13:47 GMT In article <1993Jul20.124730.28995@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <1993Jul19.184106.16996@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) writes: > > > >What do YOU get when you search on "neil" in Webster in NS3.0? > > The answer is: > > newyorkcofenvironmentalsciencea > > Honest :-) I found that as very odd! -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wsmith@wixer.bga.com (Wesley C. Smith) Subject: Re: ZyXEL and 19.2 ZyX protocol (was Re: Is anyone using a ZyXEL Fax modem on black NeXT??) Message-ID: <1993Jul28.144756.10842@wixer.bga.com> Summary: ZyXEL 19.2 works for me! Organization: Real/Time Communications References: <ntomczak.743594464@vega> <69705@mimsy.umd.edu> <CAuotK.6xr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 14:47:56 GMT tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu wrote: >ZyXEL 1496E+'s with a V.32bis (14.4) connection (via kermit on >cufb/ttydfb), but I just get garbage when I try to use either the 16.8 >or 19.2 proprietary speeds of the E+'s. Has anyone made a successful >connection using the ZyX protocol? I have not had any problems with the ZyXEL protocols. I have used them between Black and White NEXTSTEP machines and to a local bbs(non-NeXT). Wes Smith wes@arissoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hb@raven.ix.de (Henning Behme) Subject: Summary: Newsgrazer 72.2 won't load Message-ID: <1993Jul28.143451.12024@ix.de> Sender: news@ix.de Organization: Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co KG Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 14:34:51 GMT Hi, following my posting in this group I have received several answers of which the following turned out to be the solution to the problem. At least I haven't encountered the same problem any more... Actually, ti was enough to switch off the Sort Activation button. > Hi, > > it hasn't happened from the beginning, but recently, whenever I start to > read news.answers (looking for FAQs, that is), NewsGrazer starts to read > (in) what is available, but after a while - not having completed the task, > apparently - vanishes from the screen. > > Has anyone experienced the same and/or got an idea about possible reasons? Garance A Drosehn <gad@black-ice.its.rpi.edu> wrote: This is usually due to the newsgroup having some article with bad headers (or no header lines at all). Depending on the problem in the article, NewsGrazer will hang indefinitely when trying to get the articles information, or it will quit immediately when hitting the article. In my experience, if NewsGrazer quits it's because the user is trying to sort the articles in the newsgroup, and there is an article in the newsgroup which has no subject line in it's header. In your preferences, do you have "Sort Articles" turned on? If so, turn it off and then select the news.answer newsgroup. You should then see all the articles in the newsgroup (except that they won't be sorted). You should also see at least one article which has no subject, or which looks wrong for some other reason. Select any articles you see which are like that (just so NewsGrazer marks them as read), and quit NewsGrazer. You should then be able to restart NewsGrazer, and turn the "Sort Articles" option back on. As long as you've read the problem article, NewsGrazer won't display it so it won't have to sort it. Thanks. Henning Behme iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazin * Verlag Heinz Heise Helstorfer Strasse 7 * 30625 Hannover * Germany hb@ix.de * +49 511 5352374 * +49 511 5352361 (Fax) ------- Religion decays, the icon remains. (Julian Barnes) -------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Message-ID: <1993Jul27.104647.967@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <22sd47$1vm@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 10:46:47 GMT In article <22sd47$1vm@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: > > Yet another thing that's been improved in 3.1. My swapfiles aren't > growing out of bounds anymore. > > (Actually, it seems as if all they did was to turn on the swaptimizer > all the time, but it works...). The really important question is: Can swapfile shrink ? Thus if you swap (do some really big in Mathematica) and finish the App, the swapfile should have gone back to its former size (lowat). I guess that NeXT did some improvements in the Windowserver/WM, so it needs less memory than before. That wouldn't solve clearly the problems we have with swapfiles until now. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) Subject: Re: Question concerning CD-ROM and audio Message-ID: <CAw12u.Kq3@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <230rju$4d3@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 18:37:41 GMT In article <230rju$4d3@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: > I have hooked up a NEC CD-ROM drive to my cube. I am trying to use >the CDPlayer program to play cd-audio off the CD-ROM drive and it >is not working. Any suggestions? I have no advice to offer, I'm afriad BUT - I have the NEC CD-ROM drive on my machine also, except this time it's an Intel box. This drive is quite capable of playing audio from <gulp> MS Windows. Hmm...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brian@wucs1.wustl.edu (Brian) Subject: Re: .au to .snd Message-ID: <1993Jul28.163104.2181@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO References: <234b7tINNr1u@network.ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 16:31:04 GMT In article <234b7tINNr1u@network.ucsd.edu> ridgway@inls3.tmc.edu (Doug Ridgway) writes: > In article <CAszux.9pB@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) writes: > >Hello all, > > > >I was just wondering if some kind soul out there could email me on how > >to go about converting from .au to .snd (some program available somewhere > >or something). You help would be very much apreciated. Thanx in advance. > > > >Brian > >sela@iastate.edu > > Be warned that I know nothing about sound files, but recently, when I got > a .au file, I double-clicked on it and it brought up Edit. I wanted to play it, > so I renamed it to .snd, doubled-clicked and it played just fine. I still know > nothing about sound formats. Basically that is all you need to do to convert them. The .au format is the same as the CODEC .snd format. I also took the /NextDeveloper/Example program SoundEditor and modified it slightly to accept both .snd and .au files, so now I can just double-click on a .au file and play it (in instances where I don't have write access to the .au file, so I can't simply rename it). brian
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hardware Problem - Failed Test... Date: 28 Jul 1993 19:52:10 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <236lda$5uo@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <93196.111844HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Keywords: heat In article <93196.111844HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: | Now that there is no c.s.n.hardware, I guess this is the place to post | this... | | I have a NextDimension Cube with two hard drives and an optical drive, | internally, CD-ROM and floppy and Modem, externally. When I've been | using the cube for quite a while I sometimes get a system panic, after | which the NeXT won't restart - when I try to restart it says "failed | system test" and hangs totally. | | This has only happened in the last few weeks, when the weather has been | hot. One of the hard drives is a fujitsu, and they run quite hot. So | I suspect that the problem is overheating. After awhile the cube boots | normally. It all sort of fits. | | Has anybody else had similar problems, or am I missing something here? | | Any insights would be appreciated.... Yup. Happened to me when I was trying something out and had the back open. Moral: Keep that airflow going, e.g., clean the optical dust filter and don't set the cube on carpet. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT shell window and VMS Edit problem Date: 28 Jul 1993 20:26:42 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <236ne2$9hi@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <234hj5$ha8@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: VT100 In article <234hj5$ha8@tamsun.tamu.edu> h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) writes: | Hi! | I have some problem with the Edit in VMS over the modem connection from the | NeXTstation. Somehow from the shell window in NeXT the carriage return inside | the Edit in VMS behaves crazy. It does not move the curser to the beginning | of the next line, but puts at some other weirdest place you can imagine. | It just messes up the display, but after I do "ctrl-z" and "c" at the * | prompt, I can see in fact things are at the right place. It is fairly annoying | that I have to keep doing this to have the normal display. | It does not happen with the TPU editor, but it happens with EDIT editor. | Of course, no problem with using emacs on any UNIX machines under the | same connection. | Does anyone have any idea what is wrong and how I can fix it without ruining | the other nicely working editors? | Thanks in advance. | | hs Assuming you're using Terminal, go into the Info/Preferences menu panel and pull down "VT100 emulation." Then select "Perform strict VT100 emulation." Login to the VAX and type SET TERMINAL/VT100. That should do the trick. Good luck! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: richards@plains (Jolene Richardson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Foreign Language Instruction Message-ID: <CAw7xv.vHo@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: 28 Jul 93 21:05:55 GMT Article-I.D.: ns1.CAw7xv.vHo Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network I am interested in other prrojects that are using the capabilities of the NeXT computer to teach foreign languages. What has been done? What has worked well? Is anything available in public domain to incorporate into a project? I'm working on a course for high school students that will transfer information over phone lines in a kind of correspondence course in Russian. If anyone else has worked on something similar I would much rather learn from their efforts than make a bunch of mistakes myself. Jolene Richardson richards@tag.sendit.nodak.edu
From: cplager@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Plager) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Page up/down Date: 28 Jul 1993 21:23:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <236qo7$37s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Summary: Page up & Page down keys Are there equivalent keys to Page up and Page down keys in any of the text programs (especially Terminal, etc.) Any help would be appreciated. Charles Plager p.s. Please send any response to: cplager@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Non-Next Mail)
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More bad experiences with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <69750@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 28 Jul 93 20:49:44 GMT References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> <88613@ut-emx.uucp> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <88613@ut-emx.uucp> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: > What really gripes me about NeXTWorld, however, is that they are too big to > fit on a shelf and I have to stack them up out of the way. I might as well not > buy them at all if they're going to sit under a pile of other books. absolutely. not only are they awkward to fit on your own shelf, they are awkward for book stores to display - esp on crowded computer rag shelves. my local bookstore neatly solves the problem by placing NeXTWORLD in the very back with other magazines stacked directly in front and touching on the same shelf. that way the very top of NeXTWORLD peeks over, but otherwise the magazine and its cover are completely hidden. if you didnt know to look for it, you could browse the computer rags there for a year and never notice NeXTWORLD or see a cover photo of NEXTSTEP. its not like there are so many useful articles that they need the extra space. what's the rational for this stupid non standard paper size? I appreciate that NW may not be a big money maker _yet_, and really appreciate that they have finally gone monthly. they did change their subscription management service lately (dont know if it helped) but please get rid of the non standard paper size. its like a big reminder, that NeXT is different and ignores standards. NeXT changed, how about y'all. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: pdg@access.digex.net (Paul Guthrie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "mix" from i*link ? Date: 28 Jul 1993 19:31:29 -0400 Organization: The League of Crafty Hackers Message-ID: <23728h$qv6@access.digex.net> References: <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Keywords: mix ilink i*link modem voice responce In article <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens H|rup Jensen) writes: >I once read about "mix" from i*link, Germany. It should be a 2400 baud >modem, a group III fax and have capabilities of voice responce. >Where can I buy it, what is the price and is it compatible with the phonekit? In theory (according to their brochure given out at NWI), you can email them at info@ilink.de. I tried, requesting pricing, but never received any reply from them. Does anyone out there have a mixbox? What have your experiences been? A phone number for them is: +49 30 - 216 20 48 -- Paul Guthrie pdg@vorpal.digex.net NeXT Mail paul@nsacray.chi.il.us Encouraged!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: man -> rtf? Message-ID: <1993Jul28.173424.2375@yvax.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) Date: 28 Jul 93 17:34:23 -0700 References: <1993Jul27.225727.2359@yvax.byu.edu> In article <1993Jul27.225727.2359@yvax.byu.edu> writes: > I would like to be able to type a command from the command line that would > bring up the man page I desire without going through Librarian. I thought If > I could do a nroff -man | (an nroff to rtf translator) | Edit. (I know Edit > won't take this...but you get the idea.) I guess I could write a simple > translator myself, but Librarian seems to do it. (..unless those are > PostScript files it creates.) Any ideas? > > P.S. I don't really want to open it in Preview (I hate paging...). > The prize goes to Bob Cook at Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. When Edit is in developer mode (via info->preferences) there's a menu item Utilities->Manual that will bring up a man page by name in a scrollable window. (..or just Command-M when you're really lazy.) Thanks Bob! -- John Peterson -- Networked Computer Support -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007
From: hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "mix" from i*link ? Date: 29 Jul 1993 00:57:14 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <23779a$6p2@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> <23728h$qv6@access.digex.net> Keywords: mix ilink i*link modem voice responce pdg@access.digex.net (Paul Guthrie) writes: >In article <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens H|rup Jensen) writes: >>I once read about "mix" from i*link, Germany. It should be a 2400 baud >>modem, a group III fax and have capabilities of voice responce. >>Where can I buy it, what is the price and is it compatible with the phonekit? >In theory (according to their brochure given out at NWI), you can email >them at info@ilink.de. I tried, requesting pricing, but never received >any reply from them. Does anyone out there have a mixbox? What >have your experiences been? >A phone number for them is: +49 30 - 216 20 48 I have had a mix for about a year now. I am using it for outgoing faxes and as an answering machine. I've had zero problems with outgoing faxes. I tried mix as incoming fax machine, and mix itself worked fine, but I just don't like reading faxes on the screen (which is not mix' fault, of course). The answering machine is pretty clever -you can do (at least) simple things like "play message ..push 1 if you call Carl, 2 for Jim, and 3 for Ulla", then depending on what the caller chooses you get more messages and/or you can record the caller's message, which is then emailed to the recipient" So you can have a mix as an answering machine on one continent, and get the messages mailed to you to another continent. I'll be in Finland for three weeks in August and I'm having my messages emailed to me there... Overall? I like mix a lot. If you have any specific questions about it, I'll be happy to answer them. Heikki Ketola hketola@sms-usa.com >-- >Paul Guthrie >pdg@vorpal.digex.net NeXT Mail >paul@nsacray.chi.il.us Encouraged!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: .au to .snd--the answer Message-ID: <CAwI2x.FAs@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 00:44:57 GMT Thanks to all who replied to my question of how to convert from .au files to the .snd files. Here is the answer for anybody else who might be interested. Sun OS 4.0.3 stored only raw mulaw files without any extensions. This format is obsolete; however to convert it to a NeXT snd format you can: sndconvert -o nextified.snd -f 1 -s 8012.8210513 -c 1 -r sun-sound Starting with Sun OS release 4.1 they adopted a file format like NeXT's: A comparison of <multimedia/audio_filehdr.h> on the Sun and <sound/soundstruct.h> on the NeXT shows the formats to be compatible-- just rename *.au to *.snd for the NeXT. Also there is a sound converter package called SOX that can be used to convert other sound files. That's about it. Thanks again for those that helped. Brian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mtzion!david (David J. Ferrero) Subject: new mail app? Message-ID: <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> Sender: david@zion.com Organization: Zion Software & Consulting Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 02:52:37 GMT I've heard that NeXT is working on a new mail app. Anyone heard if this will be distributed in the 3.2 upgrade? Thanks. David Ferrero david@zion.com
From: holmes@cs.umd.edu (Holmes S. Liao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Info needed on $299.00 deal for Nextstep x86 Message-ID: <69764@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 29 Jul 93 02:25:43 GMT References: <1993Jul23.185836.1704@umr.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Jul23.185836.1704@umr.edu> jybarnes@cs.umr.edu (Jym Barnes) writes: > 1) Is the price still $299.00? > 2) When does this offer expire? It'll remain so till end of July. > 3) Is Nextstep stable (basically bug free) on 80x86? There are only a few companies signed on with Next for NS, namely, DG, NEC, Dell, Epson, HP, etc. If you try to install NS for Intel on a no-name clone, do it at your own risk. > 4) How do I contact Next to order? > 5) What does $299.00 get me, X-Windows, TCPIP, NFS? > or what does it not get me? > 6) What is the price of a complete packages? I believe > it is referred to as the development package. > Call 1-800-try-next. The deal includes both a user and developer's version. >Please send any information to barnes@tweety.digsys.com. //hs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Info needed on $299.00 deal for Nextstep x86 Message-ID: <1993Jul29.032112.16712@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jul23.185836.1704@umr.edu> <69764@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 03:21:12 GMT In article <69764@mimsy.umd.edu> holmes@cs.umd.edu (Holmes S. Liao) writes: >It'll remain so till end of July. September. NeXT extended the deadline. (See the press release in comp.sys.next.announce.) -=EPS=-
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: man -> rtf? Date: 28 Jul 1993 22:45:38 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <237dki$132@digifix.digifix.com> References: <1993Jul28.173424.2375@yvax.byu.edu> writes > In article <1993Jul27.225727.2359@yvax.byu.edu> writes: > > I would like to be able to type a command from the command line that would > > bring up the man page I desire without going through Librarian. I thought > The prize goes to Bob Cook at Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. When Edit > is in developer mode (via info->preferences) there's a menu item > Utilities->Manual that will bring up a man page by name in a scrollable > window. (..or just Command-M when you're really lazy.) Thanks Bob! Well, another should go to whoever put ManOpen on the cs.orst.edu archives! Its a NextInterface on a slick command-line utility that converts manpages into formated RTF... underlines, bold everything. I've already got the unix command line part hooked up with Tickle Services to make it man $page | cat2rtf | open Works like a charm! -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dkoski@noao.edu (David Koski) Subject: Graphics Tablets Message-ID: <1993Jul29.044720.20656@noao.edu> Sender: news@noao.edu Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 04:47:20 GMT Does anyone have any experience hooking up a Wacom SD-510C graphics tablet to black hardware? I hooked mine up to serial port B just like InstallTablet said, but it is not recognized. The tablet itself appears to be working, the various lights flash as I move the stylus. Does anyone know the correct DIP switch settings? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, David Koski dkoski@noao.edu
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 29 Jul 1993 01:13:04 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact: Jayson Adams, CEO Scott Love, President Millennium Software Labs 1010 El Camino Real, Suite 300 Menlo Park, CA, 94025 Phone: (415) 321-3720 Fax: (415) 321-3650 Email: info@millennium.com Millennium Software Labs Announces Newsgrazer Pro(TM) for NEXTSTEP NEXTSTEP application to allow users to read Usenet and corporate news groups MENLO PARK, California, July 28, 1993 - Millennium Software Labs announced today that it will introduce Newsgrazer Pro, a software product for browsing articles and message threads from the numerous Usenet news groups. Usenet news groups have become a significant source of technology, event, and general interest information, and are growing in popularity among industry and business users. Newsgrazer Pro will provide both novice an expert users with a powerful interface for navigating this vast information resource. Jayson Adams, Millennium's CEO, said in an interview today, "We have received a lot of customer requests that Millennium release a net news reader for NEXTSTEP. Our expertise in developing information management applications makes us the ideal company for creating a commercial-quality product for this category. Newsgrazer Pro's introduction later this year will provide NEXTSTEP users with a simple and elegant application for accessing the Usenet." "Information processing and management is the most important application category of this decade, and Millennium is focused exclusively on providing NEXTSTEP solutions for this category. Newsgrazer Pro fits perfectly into our award-winning product line, which includes NoteBook and Engage! Desktop," said Scott Love, Millennium's President. Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of $199.95. The product will ship during the fourth quarter of 1993 in multiple architecture binary (MAB) format, capable of running on both Motorola- and Intel-based NEXTSTEP computers. Millennium Software Labs, Inc. is a privately-held start-up founded by Jayson Adams and Scott Love, former employees of NeXT Computer, Inc. Millennium develops and markets personal productivity software for NEXTSTEP-based computer systems. The company's mission is to develop state-of-the-art applications for information management. Product design and architecture are based entirely on NEXTSTEP, the most advanced object-oriented software technology available today. For more information about this press release, contact Jayson Adams, CEO, or Scott Love, President. Millennium Software Labs is located at 1010 El Camino Real, Suite 300, Menlo Park, CA, 94025. (415) 321-3720, (415) 321-3650 Fax, info@millennium.com. Keywords: computers, technology, software, Millennium Software Labs, Newsgrazer Pro, NeXT, NEXTSTEP, news reader, Usenet (C) 1993 Millennium Software Labs, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Newsgrazer Pro and Engage! Desktop are trademarks of Millennium Software Labs, Inc. NEXTSTEP is a registered trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc, in the U.S. and other countries.
From: balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Info about co-Xist? Date: 29 Jul 1993 05:52:39 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <237oj7$dnv@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> I'd like to know about the pricing of the various co-Xist packages for an educational site. I tried to contact Pencom at co-Xist_support@pencom.com but haven't got any reply so far. Anybody able to help? Thanks in advance. Dirk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Bernhard Nocker) Subject: Re: Question concerning CD-ROM and audio Message-ID: <CAwz7B.1ns@cosy.sbg.ac.at> Sender: news@cosy.sbg.ac.at Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria References: <CAw12u.Kq3@unix.portal.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 06:54:46 GMT In article <CAw12u.Kq3@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) writes: > In article <230rju$4d3@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: > > I have hooked up a NEC CD-ROM drive to my cube. I am trying to use > >the CDPlayer program to play cd-audio off the CD-ROM drive and it > >is not working. Any suggestions? > > I have no advice to offer, I'm afriad BUT - I have the NEC CD-ROM drive > on my machine also, except this time it's an Intel box. This drive > is quite capable of playing audio from <gulp> MS Windows. Most important is a set setuid bit of CDPlayer and an enabled PublicWindowServer! B.Nocker -- Bernhard Nocker University of Salzburg's Department of Computing Studies Jakob-Haringerstr. 5 5020 Salzburg Austria, Europe Tel: +43-662-8044/6316 bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at Fax: +43-662-8044/6316 or +43-662-8044/611
From: mcconnap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Andy McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Spliiting large files to DOS disk Date: 28 Jul 1993 18:31:54 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <236gmq$mqe@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> I need to split a large (5MB+) file onto several DOS formatted diskettes. The file then needs to be recombined on a DOS machine. (yeah, I know... but it's for a friend who has no net connection. He works on a SCO 386 (unix) and wants emacs badly. I have no access to SCO boxes, and he no access to NeXT's. Our plan: ftp->NeXT->DOS->SCO.) I am running NS 2.1 on a '040 slab. I am looking for a common (DOS?) archiver with source available so i can make it myself for the NeXT. arj is one example, but its creator hasn't released the source. If you know of any available programs to accomplish this, please let me know. Or if you can think of a better way, I'd love to hear it! Thanks in advance... -- Andy McConnell mcconnap@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Fluid Science Learning Center Developer CS BS '93 Rose-Hulman Institute Of Technology "The beaurocratic mentality is the only constant in the universe."
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 19:32:06 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93209.193206CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted 4 x 4 MB Simms for IIcx or NeXTSTATION (non turbo) I am looking for 4 4MB SIMMs for a NeXTStation or a Mac IIcx. I am interested in paying less than $100 per 4 MB SIMM. Thanks! ---Masud.
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Multi-floppy pkg files and the OD Date: 29 Jul 1993 10:21:16 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <2388as$6db@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Hi, I'm trying to install Illustrator for the NeXT, but have no floppy drive. By a VERY tortuous method, I have managed to put the contents of the three Illustrator disks onto my OD. When what do I do next??? If I rename the OD to Adobe_IllustratorDisk1 and double-click on Adobe_Illustrator_3.0.1.pkg, the first package is installed. The problem is that Installer can't eject the OD and thus the install fails. Help! RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines and Keeper of the ZyXEL FAQ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Subject: Re: "mix" from i*link ? Message-ID: <1993Jul29.090911.4974@marcon.ka.sub.org> Sender: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Organization: Marinos EDV - Consulting References: <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 09:09:11 GMT In article <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens H|rup Jensen) writes: \\ I once read about "mix" from i*link, Germany. It should be a 2400 baud \\ modem, a group III fax and have capabilities of voice responce. \\ \\ Where can I buy it, what is the price and is it compatible with the phonekit? \\ The information where You can buy mix can be get directly from i-link. They can give You a list of dealers, but You can order mix also at i-link. You can contact them under the following address: i-link Kommunikationssysteme GmbH Nollendorfstr. 11 - 12 10777 Berlin GERMANY voice : + 49 30 216 20 48 fax : + 49 30 215 82 74 e-mail: Piers_Walter@ilink.de Stati -- Marinos EDV - Consulting | NEXTSTEP Software and Consulting Services Evstathios Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 76133 Karlsruhe (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org
From: alex@sauron.gatech.edu (Alex Shillington) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted 4x4 MB Simms for IIcx or NeXTSTATION(non turbo) Date: 29 Jul 1993 12:22:08 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: na Message-ID: <238fdgINNm0j@mephisto.gatech.edu> References: <93209.193206CADER@auvm.american.edu> In article <93209.193206CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CADER@auvm.american.edu> writes: > I am looking for 4 4MB SIMMs for a NeXTStation or a Mac IIcx. I am > interested in paying less than $100 per 4 MB SIMM. Thanks! > !^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^! > > ---Masud. Good luck!!!! With the price of memory these days, you'll be lucky to find 1 MB SIMM's at that price! If you find someone selling 4 MB SIMM's for that price, please let me know. :>) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Shillington Georgia Institute of Technology - Network Services ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: Spliiting large files to DOS disk Message-ID: <1993Jul29.095021.1883@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <236gmq$mqe@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 09:50:21 GMT In article <236gmq$mqe@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> mcconnap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Andy McConnell) writes: -> I need to split a large (5MB+) file onto several DOS -> formatted diskettes. The file then needs to be -> recombined on a DOS machine. Yoshi's LHA and older Lharc have both been ported to NeXT from the released source and so long as file naming conventions are followed, the output should be compatible. (has been compatible for me, so far, among MS-DOS, NeXT, C=64/128 and Amiga - on the Lharc version), HOWEVER there are quite a few ports around, some of which barf on large files -- either not properly wrapping the encoding tree, or just grunging the output -- I've never investigated fully. Tar and Compress (in .EXE form) are also available for MS-DOS, ported from a BSD4.2 implementation. As for CHUNKing it... inside Installer.app, there is a program called CHUNK which will split large files into smaller pieces. It will even allow for the first one to be smaller so that documentation may accompany the first chunk. This is present in 2.1, 3.0, and 3.1 NEXTSTEP distributions (and likely others). Assuming you renamed the files... EMACS.01 EMACS.02 EMACS.03... To reconstitute the parts, ``cat'' them together on a NeXT or COPY to a single output file on MS-DOS. Same ``cat'' solution works for split archives from ftp.uu.net... > cat part01 part02 part03 | zcat | tar -xvpf - Reconstitutes and extracts a split ``compressed'' file from the single pipeline. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com Total System Software the makers of DFax for NEXTSTEP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Name Games (was Re: PowerPC upgrades for Cubes?) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 18:16:24 GMT Message-ID: <CAxurD.F9G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <22vdh8INN522@network.ucsd.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NeXT Cubes, PowerPC, product names Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Some idle thoughts about a desired PPC upgrade board for Cubes, a recent thread in c.s.n.advocacy: Names? Well..."Turbo"..."Nitro"..."Thermo"? (as in -nuclear) We could call it the ThermoBoard, The BombBoard, or BoomCube... ..or perhaps we should stick to the speed metaphor; How about HyperCube? (as in hypersonic) - already copyrighted? More seriously, what are the chances of a sustained 3rd-party aftermarket for black hardware? If NeXT ever releases its specs, could we see things like a hardware-compression daughterboard for the ND's mystery expansion slot? (a VERY esoteric peice of hardware, I know, but let's think grandly) Steve Weintz NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: Sybase + NS3.0 Message-ID: <1993Jul29.181741.20615@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 29 Jul 93 18:17:41 GMT Hello, My friend is about to upgrade to 3.0, but is worried about problems he may encounter running Sybase. I know there were some problems with the Administrator application; what were these? are there workarounds? any other caveats? Thanks. -marcos j. polanco -shiva@vega.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: webster weirdness! Message-ID: <CAwIoq.sx@califhistsoc.org> Keywords: webster weirdness! Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org (one) Organization: California Historical Society - Bringing the 19th Century, kicking and screaming, into the 21st! 415 567-1848 or fax 415 567-2394. Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 00:58:02 GMT IN article ... writes > >What do YOU get when >I found that as very odd! >-- >Neil Greene >President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] >President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. >North American, TIFFany Distributor Not half as curious as the result when you search on "NeilGreene" in Webster. Keep up the good work! Robert MacKimmie Black Hardware with a SF Bay View! RM@CALIFHISTSOC.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) Subject: drive for HP color inkjets Message-ID: <1993Jul29.190650.12505@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 19:06:50 GMT Hi, I'm about to purchase an HP DeskWriter 550C or 1200C for a group of MACS. The question is, is there a driver available to allow me to hook the printer up to NeXT Color Turbo running 3.x? Thanx for your help, Karen duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) Subject: Re: NS 3.1 - how to find out where you are logged in?? Message-ID: <1993Jul29.183728.3105@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <ntomczak.743588082@vega> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 18:37:28 GMT N Tomczak-Jaegermann (ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca) wrote: : After a switch to version 3.1 of OS I found that I cannot distinguish : anymore if a user is logged in directly on NeXT, or via some networked : terminal. This information is rather vital for some of my uses. : Up to now there was an environment variabiable "Workspace" which was : set in the first case, but not in the second. It looks like that it : vanished. Does anybody know if there is some other clever way to get : this information, or I have to write a special program which will : muck with an environment and which I will have to hook up with : 'dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths'? A script can do this: set WorkSpaceOwner = `who | awk '$2 == "console" {print $1}'` Then you can test if WorkSpaceOwner is equal to $user -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: SLIP and PPP Message-ID: <1993Jul29.175022.522@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 17:50:22 GMT I am interested to understand the difference between SLIP and PPP in terms of functionality. Alo, if you had an net of machines and one machine was connected via slip or PPP to a host, could all the machines on the net FTP via that one machine to the host, and further. All help is appreciated. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ttg242@newton.sps.mot.com (David Thornewill von Essen) Subject: Oracle keyboard resource file Message-ID: <1993Jul29.203742.29913@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: news@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: Motorola ASIC Division Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 20:37:42 GMT Is anyone out there running Oracle forms V3.0 using the CoXist emulator on a Next. If so could you point me towards the right .r file. An email response is preferred, but I will scan these groups for 10 days or so. Many thanks, David TvE --- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- David Thornewill von Essen Sr. Systems Analyst Motorola ASIC Division I don't speak for Mot. Chandler, AZ-85224 fax: (602) 814-4451 email: ttg242@email.sps.mot.com tel: (602) 814-4395 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
From: mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. Date: 29 Jul 1993 21:09:27 GMT Organization: RSMAS/University of Miami Distribution: usa Message-ID: <239ea7$r3k@umigw.miami.edu> References: <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. > > Anyone, anyone? > > Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. > > -- > Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people. Some time before the announcement of no-more-hardware from NeXT Computer, Inc., there was an announcement that NeXT Computer,Inc. had totally disconnected from NeXTWorld. I wonder if this has anything to do with what some of the users have been complaining about? -73- Marshall Gilula
From: tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD Date: 29 Jul 1993 21:18:53 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <239ert$3io@hermes.athena.com> Keywords: magazine,subscription In comp.sys.next.misc article <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. > > Anyone, anyone? > > Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. > > -- > Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people. --Actually I have had very food experiences with NeXTWORLD. They have generated a lot of interest in Mesa via the reader response card. However, as an advertiser my subscriptions do arrive on time. I think that their move to a monthly will benefit the community by having more timely articles, although, fewer per month. I have a feeling that if those people who have had subscription problems contact NeXTWORLD they may actually get a good response from a bunch of journalists trying to get a magazine published. I guess I am biased. I like the magazine and the NEXTSTEP platform really needs NeXTWORLD to keep reporting on the technology and reviewing applications. ----------------------------------------------------------- Tracy Kugelman, Athena Design, one woman's opinion...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mlbm@lanl.gov (Mark Martinez) Subject: Re: .au to .snd--the answer Message-ID: <1993Jul29.212614.27856@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <CAwI2x.FAs@news.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 21:26:14 GMT In article <CAwI2x.FAs@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) writes: > be compatible-- just rename *.au to *.snd for the NeXT. Is there a way to use dwrite to tell Workspace to play .au files using Sound.app? thanks mark
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 29 Jul 1993 20:23:03 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> References: <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> In article <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: > Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of > $199.95. Ouch! Isn't this a bit steep for a news reader? Especially when what you're basically paying for is the sexy GUI? I love NewsGrazer, but I doubt if I would spend even $50 to use it instead of rn, trn or nn. Well... maybe $50 :-) They'd probably sell at least 4 times as many if they dropped their price below $50... (hint) -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@cs.ubc.ca) Small Neural Systems Group Dept. of Computer Science, University of British Columbia, Canada
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD Date: 29 Jul 1993 22:00:31 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <239h9v$3rq@hermes.athena.com> References: <239ert$3io@hermes.athena.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. > > Anyone, anyone? > > Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. > > -- > Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people I'd like to address this thread by separating the content of the magazine from order fulfillment. NeXTWORLD is owned by IDG, a large company. I believe that IDG handles subscriptions and circulation via a central location that also does fulfillment for SunWorld, PCWorld, etc. The folks at NeXTWORLD have input, but not control over this process. Let's not flame them for something that they cannot control. In terms of content, I think NeXTWORLD is tops. Yes, I have from time to time disagreed with the content (for example, the latest review of Mesa.) But, the overall quality of NeXTWORLD magazine is up there with magazines like Byte. The content is good. The news is great. The layout is eye-catching (sometimes I like it, sometimes, I don't, but the layout is never boring.) Given the size of the staff and the size of the market, the content is phenomenal (take a look at the Amiga, Atari, and OS/2 journals that look like they were laid out by me or someone else with poor visual sense.) We are all stressing over the NeXT marketplace. Lots of us have lots of heart and soul invested in NeXT and we want it to succeed. The folks at NeXTWORLD magazine work very hard to deliver a very high quality product to our community. They are not perfect, but let's not nail them to the wall over subscription problems (call IDG about that) and let's offer constructive suggestions regarding the enhancement of product quality. Thanks. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: man -> rtf? Message-ID: <1993Jul29.202047.2382@yvax.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) Date: 29 Jul 93 20:20:47 -0700 References: <237dki$132@digifix.digifix.com> Distribution: world In article <237dki$132@digifix.digifix.com> writes: > Well, another should go to whoever put ManOpen on the cs.orst.edu > archives! > > Its a NextInterface on a slick command-line utility that converts > manpages into formated RTF... underlines, bold everything. > > I've already got the unix command line part hooked up with Tickle > Services to make it man $page | cat2rtf | open > > Works like a charm! > Thanks should go to Harald Schlangmann from Germany who put that up there for me. -- John Peterson -- Networked Computer Support -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Distribution: usa Date: 29 Jul 93 20:21:10 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul29.202110.25015@crash> References: <239ea7$r3k@umigw.miami.edu> Marshall Gilula (mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu) wrote: : Some time before the announcement of no-more-hardware : from NeXT Computer, Inc., there was an announcement that NeXT : Computer,Inc. had totally disconnected from NeXTWorld. I wonder if this : has anything to do with what some of the users have been complaining : about? : -73- : Marshall Gilula Nope. I've had bad experience with NeXTWORLD magazine since issue number one. Absolutely incredible that they've never gotten their act together, after all these years! My experience with NeXTWORLD magazine is not unlike other computer magazines. It's pretty commonplace. I guess computer magazines simply don't care about satisfied customers/readers. If anyone should complain the loudest, it should be the advertisers, 'cuz they're the ones who are being ripped off the most.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Date: 29 Jul 93 20:37:20 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jul29.203720.25164@crash> References: <239h9v$3rq@hermes.athena.com> David Pollak (dpp@athena.com) wrote: : In comp.sys.next.misc article <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> you wrote: : > Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. : > : > Anyone, anyone? : > : > Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. : > : > -- : > Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people : : I'd like to address this thread by separating the content of the magazine from : order fulfillment. : : NeXTWORLD is owned by IDG, a large company. I believe that IDG handles : subscriptions and circulation via a central location that also does fulfillment : for SunWorld, PCWorld, etc. The folks at NeXTWORLD have input, but not control : over this process. Let's not flame them for something that they cannot : control. : : In terms of content, I think NeXTWORLD is tops. Yes, I have from time to time : disagreed with the content (for example, the latest review of Mesa.) But, the : overall quality of NeXTWORLD magazine is up there with magazines like Byte. : The content is good. The news is great. The layout is eye-catching (sometimes : I like it, sometimes, I don't, but the layout is never boring.) Given the size : of the staff and the size of the market, the content is phenomenal (take a look : at the Amiga, Atari, and OS/2 journals that look like they were laid out by me : or someone else with poor visual sense.) : : We are all stressing over the NeXT marketplace. Lots of us have lots of heart : and soul invested in NeXT and we want it to succeed. The folks at NeXTWORLD : magazine work very hard to deliver a very high quality product to our : community. They are not perfect, but let's not nail them to the wall over : subscription problems (call IDG about that) and let's offer constructive : suggestions regarding the enhancement of product quality. : : Thanks. : : David :------------------------------------------------------------------- Fine and dandy, but not good enough in my humble opinion. The editorial and publishing staff should be FIGHTING, screaming, battling, and clawing for every damn customer and advertiser they can find. They should be proud enough of their publication to FIRE the fulfillment company and get another. Or DO IT THEMSELVES if competence does not exist in the magazine fulfillment industry. This is WAR, fight fight fight! If I were editor of NeXTWORLD I would be ASHAMED at the shoddy treatment given to readers, and indirectly to advertisers. I'd fight IDG until customers were so HAPPY and SATISFIED that NeXTWORLD was proudly displayed in the FRONT of the magazine rack, rather than BEHIND every blasted PC-bozo magazine. NeXTWORLD is in many way's NeXT's main evangelical tool, and it is wasting away unnoticed both in newsstands and in warehouses (or wherever undelivered magazines wind up). The content of NeXTWORLD is usually WONDERFUL. But you got to DELIVER that content to the customer. ON TIME. EVERY TIME. Otherwise it's just so much paper and ink. -- brian dear coconut computing, inc.
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 30 Jul 1993 07:04:32 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <23ah60$nv4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu I think it's around $190 too steep. This seems to me to be another NS app where someone wants big money for doing what other major GUI environments have (and in some cases even NS has) for free. Another app of this kind that shoots to my mind is LoadEye. Hopefully NG Pro will be some incredibly powerful newsreader that'll make nn, rn and trn look lame, but I doubt it. I think the best future for this app is shareware. Charge a reasonable rate like Scott Hess and Don Yacktman do for their work and don't insult the customers with such an outrageously priced app. It's not as if there aren't apps that NS needs that are well worth good money. Two for example: a low-cost and reliable word processor that is competitive with MS Word (since NS continues to lose customers to MS Word/Mac, why not make something that does what it does for NS in a NS-compliant fashion and can load/save MS Word and WordPerfect files?) and a small database akin to those you see on the Mac in Microsoft Works and Beagle Bros. apps. Not everyone can afford nor needs Oracle or Sybase, but loading existing data from the popular Mac apps I just named is important. If you need an app to charge $200 for, a newsreader is not it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: crao@sangra.ncst.ernet.in (Mr.Sanjay R.Rao) Subject: Re: request sites for nntp access to comp.sys.next.* Message-ID: <CAyoIw.3DB@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> Followup-To: ncst.courses.cnet Summary: demo Sender: crao Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, Bombay, India. References: <231fdm$1m6@digifix.digifix.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 04:59:19 GMT please include this article. it is just a demo. ignore it. thanks for bearing with me. regards. sanjay.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: "mix" from i*link ? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 93 07:14:42 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul29.071442.26478@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <23599d$qbb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens H|rup Jensen) writes: > I once read about "mix" from i*link, Germany. It should be a 2400 baud > modem, a group III fax and have capabilities of voice responce. > > Where can I buy it, what is the price and is it compatible with the phonekit? Try mailing info@ilink.de. That used to be their address. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NextStep's MACH - How good is it? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 93 22:25:36 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul29.222536.27969@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <1993Jul28.153919.24606@coplex.coplex.com> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <1993Jul28.153919.24606@coplex.coplex.com> dannie@coplex.coplex.com (Dannie Gregoire) writes: > Hi, I have a couple of questions concerning NextStep.... > > I have read a great deal about NextStep's GUI and developer environments. > However, I have not heard much about the operating system underneath it > all....MACH. > > 1) How close is MACH to other flavor's of unix? The UNIX layer in the mach used in NeXTSTEP emulates 4.3BSD almost to perfection. There are one or two calls (I think sbrk() is one) that are not supported, which stem from the stone ages and are simply unnecessary (they optimize memory usage, which is needless due to mach's modern memory management - isn't that a nice alliteration?). > 2) Does NextStep support multi-port serial cards on the pc? I don't know. If it doesn't, you can use ethernet terminal concentrators. They work transparently with practically everything, including NS. > 3) Is it possible to run NextStep's mach without booting into the GUI? Yes. On the workstation's screen, log in as "console" and you'll get a nice large static vt100 window and nothing else. No mouse etc. It still looks nice, though :-). On a terminal, you just log in as you would on an other UNIX box. BTW, you can also run X if you want, both locally and remote. > Our company is considering using NextStep as a development platform for > in-house applications. However, we do not have the resources to replace > all of our existing text based terminals with PC's (capable of running > NextStep) all at once. We would like to be able to develop both GUI and > text based applications under NextStep, using PC's (running NextStep) > as department level unix boxes. This would allow us to make the transition > from a centralized/text based environment to a distributed GUI environment, > using a single operating system. However, all of this depends very heavily > upon how robust NextStep's unix is. Any help in this area is greatly > appreciated. IMHO, NeXT's UNIX is more stable than most others I've seen, and I've seen many. Those old kernels have grown so complex that nobody really groks their memory management/buffer cache/paging scheme interactions any more, leading to many annoying bugs. Mach has had a clean start. There are some reported errors with the supplied tools, e.g. telnetd and, till the end of the month, the serial driver. But most of these you can fix by installing the appropriate GNU tools. My cube has been running 24 hours a day, 350 days a year for three years now, and it did not even once get so stuck that I couldn't at least log in from a terminal and revive/reboot the machine. The SS2 I use at work crashed three times in two months so badly that not even L1-A (the CTRL/ALT/DEL of the Sun) could revive it, nor could I log in on a terminal. It was just plain stuck. (there was a bug in their X/NeWS server). As I like to put it: If I didn't already own a NeXT I would gladly pay full price for a used one, or full price for NS/FIP plus PC. In fact I would probably pay a lot more. Get it. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Webster Funnies Date: 30 Jul 1993 08:00:43 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <23akfb$2pj@news.mic.ucla.edu> Vanilla ice cream doesn't taste the same to me after I checked out the root word for "vanilla" in Webster... I don't get it -vanilla does not taste anything like anchovy. Heikki hketola@sms-usa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Wanted 4x4 MB Simms for IIcx or NeXTSTATION(non turbo) Message-ID: <CAyxrA.Iwo@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <93209.193206CADER@auvm.american.edu> <238fdgINNm0j@mephisto.gatech.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 08:18:46 GMT In article <238fdgINNm0j@mephisto.gatech.edu> alex@sauron.gatech.edu (Alex Shillington) writes: [ ] > >Good luck!!!! With the price of memory these days, you'll be lucky >to find 1 MB SIMM's at that price! If you find someone selling >4 MB SIMM's for that price, please let me know. :>) The current pricing of memory is a blip that will last a few weeks. As usual memory channels are taking every advantage of the panic and misinformation that has followed the Tokyu factory which produced 40% of the world's supply of a certain compund used in the manufacturing of semiconductors. There are other companies out there producing the resin and they have been operating at far less than capacity. In a few weeks the supply will ease up, memory will return to its downward price trend and the sleaze types will have had a few weeks of profiting on the basis of fear. The $100 for 4 megs was not an unreasonable offer. One would hope that he doesn't fall for the scare tactics. It's interesting that a call to Dell for a quote for a system yielded a yawn when asked about memory (which was priced the same as a few weeks ago). -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <1993Jul29.235245.461@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 23:52:45 GMT In article <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> mtzion!david (David J. Ferrero) writes: > I've heard that NeXT is working on a new mail app. > > Anyone heard if this will be distributed in the 3.2 upgrade? There is no new mail app in 3.2. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Partner and AFP Volumes ( again) Message-ID: <CAyz2A.JI1@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 08:46:58 GMT Has anyone succefully mounted an AFP ( Appleshare/System 7/...) Mac volume using IPT's Partner? If so, how did you do it? Thank's, -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <CAyzJB.54K@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> <1993Jul29.235245.461@BlueRose.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 08:57:10 GMT In article <1993Jul29.235245.461@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> mtzion!david (David J. >Ferrero) writes: >> I've heard that NeXT is working on a new mail app. >> >> Anyone heard if this will be distributed in the 3.2 upgrade? >There is no new mail app in 3.2. Are there any third party developers working on an alternative mail app? shrug, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: LOUDER...LOUDER... ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Can a Mac/PC use NeXT's Color Monitor? Message-ID: <CAv110.6tI@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jul23.233546.2770@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 05:39:00 GMT In article <1993Jul23.233546.2770@newsgate.sps.mot.com> charles@raiders.sps.mot.com (Charles Chan) writes: #Hi, there, # #I would like to know if there is a way for #My Mac/PC to use NeXT's color monitor. # I have seen the NeXT color monitor on a Mac. It requires one of the better video cards there are several tha twork but I forget which ones they are. You will also need to adjust the monitor for the picture to be centered correctly. Also the cable on a Mac has blue and red switched. A PC won't work w/out a lot of hoop jumping. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need suggestions for NS/FIP software (LONG) Date: 29 Jul 1993 16:26:10 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <238tn2$a4@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Salutations, I have recently ordered a Gateway computer on which to run NS/FIP. While waiting for it to arrive, I am looking for NS/FIP software to purchase or grab from an archive. I hope to find software with student (edu) prices of < $200. I love edu prices < $50 and shareware/freeware from the net is even better. In my search, I have been testing demo software on the ThirdParty CDROM on a 3.1 NeXT machine and I'll give some comments on what I have seen. I would be appreciate if anyone could suggest some software along these lines: Spreadsheet: I am looking for a Quattro Pro like app. Improv utterly fails by not providing scatter plots. Appsoft's's Solution fails by not providing useful scatter plotting nor fitting functions. Athena Design's Mesa fails by not providing fitting functions, and the interface is still unpolished (as compared to Solution). Also, Solution and Mesa are sluggish when navigating by keyboard. If nothing presents itself I will use Quattro Pro in DOS (ick). Mathematics: I have used MAPLE quite a lot, and Mathematica a small bit. I will get Mathematica if it has a reasonable price ($995 isn't reasonable; $200 is), though I prefer MAPLE. Any other tools out there? Also, if I can't find a spreadsheet with solid data analysis functions I will need another app to do that. MAPLE and Mathematica could do that. Is there any other sort of tool for data analysis? If nothing presents itself I will use MAPLE in DOS (ycuk) Word Processor: Edit meets ~80% of my needs. What I need beyond that is something with which to write scientific papers. This usually requires tiff/eps importing, a powerful equation editor, and page layout controls for making presentation overheads. FrameMaker (on 2.1 NeXTs) has met that need extremely well, but rumor is that Frame won't be ported to NS/FIP. Any suggestions? If nothing presents itself I will use MS-Word for Windows in Windows (ugh). Image Editing: This would be a toy for me. I have played with Appsoft's Image and Pinnacle's WetPaint. Both seem robust and intuitive. What's best? (Or is there something better?) I have also toyed with Appsoft's Perspective. Neat. If it is cheap enough I would also buy it to play around with. Drawing: Draw has met my needs well in the past for making simple charts of laboratory setups for school-work/research. I am now considering buying a more robust package. LightHouse Design's Diagram is powerful, but it seems more for organizational charting than drawing. Could I make an optics palette (that's what I study) with Laser, Lens, and Mirror objects? What about Appsoft's Draw -- is it a stable, powerful package? Telecommunications: Is there is anything to utilize a modem? This doesn't convcern me much now, but I know others who want this support as soon as they get NS/FIP installed. I have heard of SLiPCommander (sp?), but beyond that I am completely ignorant on the topic. Misc: I am always open to new and nifty apps, but the general productivity apps I have seen (Engage!, DarkForest, NoteBook, TaskMaster) don't serve any useful purpose for me. (If I had them, I'd use them. Without them I cope just fine) Pinnacle's VirtSpace is an exception. On a 800x600 NS/FIP display, I think this will be immensely useful. Are there any other "Gotta have it" apps out there? Games: If I want games, I'll probably buy a SNES, or King's Quest type games for DOS. But hey, maybe there is something worthwhile on the NeXT. Don't say Rocks!; $50 for Asteroids is too much. Thanks for your suggestions. I will post a summary. -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths (in response to a NeXT advocate on c.s.n.m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <CAzFHD.JDI@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <CAyzJB.54K@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 14:41:36 GMT Chris Lloyd writes []In article <1993Jul29.235245.461@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: []>In article <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> mtzion!david (David J. []>Ferrero) writes: []>> I've heard that NeXT is working on a new mail app. []>> []>> Anyone heard if this will be distributed in the 3.2 upgrade? []>There is no new mail app in 3.2. [] [] Are there any third party developers working on an alternative mail app? [] []shrug, Xexos Limited is working on a complete replacement for NeXTmail which supports Mime and has several other nice new features. (I've seen it in action, so not vaporware for me, but still is for you :) Supposed to go out for beta testing quite soon. Hope this is Helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric Ringger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: pr(1) under NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <RINGGER.93Jul27164145@artery.cs.rochester.edu> Date: 27 Jul 93 20:41:45 GMT Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric Ringger) Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester Greetings! I have been unable to get pr(1) to function as it should under NS3.0 on my NeXTstation. It doesn't handle multiple columns or parallel columns correctly. I can provide sample output if there is any question about what it is doing. Has anyone seen misbehavior by pr(1) before? Please send responses via e-mail, since I'm not always available to read the newsgroups. Thanks, --Eric -- Eric K. Ringger ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science ------- NeXT-Mail Welcome University of Rochester Phone: (716) 275-0922 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@socrates.ads.com (Chris Smith) Subject: [Q] Cursor Exploder Program? Message-ID: <1993Jul30.153606.9561@ads.com> Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 15:36:06 GMT I am a visually impaired user of NeXT computers, which can be a real challenge (black text on white backgrounds, for example). One of the problems I'm facing right now is that I frequently lose the cursor on the screen; I have to fling the mouse every which way until I can see the bloody pointer again. On the Macintoshes there are a couple of programs which, among other features, offer what is sometimes referred to as a cursor exploding feature. If the user presses a certain key or key combination, a one- or two-inch circle flashes for a second or so around the cursor. Comes in quite handy on large displays! Is there a program available that offers such a feature? If not, how difficult would it be to write one??? Thanks VERY much! ---------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Smith Consultant, Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc. Internet: chris@socrates.ads.com
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Discussion on NeXTStep in Comp.sys.hp Date: 30 Jul 1993 15:50:30 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <23bg06$p3d@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, Thought you would like to know that comp.sys.hp are currently discussing splitting the group up into a set of sub groups some what similar to those used by other groups like the next group. I am currently trying to get a comp.sys.hp.nextstep added to that list, and as such any support for this would be helpful, or if you feel that it should be handled under the comp.sys.next then you should make your feeling known in the hp group. hope this is interesting to you john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <CAzHw0.K15@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 15:33:35 GMT You know what I'd like in a new Mail.app? I'd like it if it stored mail in a format compatible with mh instead of Mail. Then I'd be more likely to read my mail from home and other remote situations. ab
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux,comp.windows.x,comp.sys.next.misc From: chr@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de (Christian Veith) Subject: Problems with xmodmap on Mac and NeXT Message-ID: <CAzJ4t.KDB@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de> Organization: Siemens AG Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 16:00:29 GMT Hi, I have a problem with keyboard configurations, xmodmap, etc. that for the life of me I can't figure out. My problem is that we want to use our Mac (IIci, AUX3.0) and NeXT cube as an X Terminal (among other things). For these machines, I can't generate the correct keyboard mapping. In the course of things I became quite familiar with xmodmap and xev, but I don't quite get how the modifier keys are supposed to work. Example (NeXT): The keyboard relies heavily on Alt-something keystrokes, e.g. "1" produces "1", Shift-1 produces "!", and Alt-1 produces a "~". Looking at the keyboard events with xev, the Shift modifier works as expected, but the Meta and Alt modifier (mod1 and mod2) do not generate new keysyms at all, e.g. Alt-1 just generates an Alt-L event and a "1" event. That means, I can generate the correct mapping for unmodified keys and Shift-modified keys (complete with German umlauts and all that), but the rest beats me. On the Mac, the same thing: As long as I run MacX and the clients on the local machine, fine, everything works, Shift-7 produces a "/", Option-7 a "|", and Shift-Option-7 a "\". The usual operation, however, is to start up MacX, and then to connect to a Sun, and to start up the window manager etc. remotely. In that case, same problem as on the NeXT: The modifiers do not work as I expected. I spent quite some time to configure the modifiers and keysyms, but I've been getting nowhere. Am I just too dumb? Somebody help me out, please. Are there any written instructions I can ftp from somewhere (I mean besides the xmodmap manpage)? Books? People who've gone through this before? chr --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christian Veith | chr@zfe.siemens.de Siemens AG, Munich, Germany | +49-89-636-44519 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. Date: 28 Jul 1993 00:12:53 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: usa Message-ID: <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> <1993Jul27.200732.898@charon.muc.de> Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. Anyone, anyone? Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. -- Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people.
From: zeta@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Updated information for TCS from vendors list Message-ID: <2R5H8B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 93 09:03:12 CDT Organization: TCS Consulting Services I'm posting this followup to the original to update everyone's information about TCS. TCS has moved and undergone a name change. We are now TCS Computer Systems. The new information is below in the same format of the original post. In case someone missed it I'm including the rest of the list as well. Company : TCS Computer Systems Address : 25799B Madrone Drive; Willits, CA 95490 Phone : (707) 489-7500 Contact : Gregory Youngblood email : info@tcscs.com Sorry for the confusion. And, here's the rest of the list...much thanks to Gregory Baratoff for compiling this list and posting for the rest of us. Company : Advance2000 Inc Address : Buffalo, NY Phone : 1-800-9ADVANCE Contact : Doug or Brian Company : Alpine Computing Address : Salt Lake City, UT Phone : (801) 268-8877 Contact : Kris Magnusson Email : yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Kris' email) Company : Continental Computer Systems Address : Hartford, CT Phone : 1-800-776-8649 Contact : Jim Pinto (sales, ext. 133) Joe Bacher (NS support, ext. 137) Company : GEC computers Address : Phone : 1-800-486-1500 Contact : Jeannie Company : TCS Computer Systems Address : 25799B Madrone Drive; Willits, CA 95490 Phone : (707) 489-7500 Contact : Gregory Youngblood email : info@tcscs.com Company : Tri-star Computers Address : Chandler, AZ Phone : (602) 961-3401 Contact : Bob Padua (ext. 4459) (call 1pm - 5pm) Company : Workstation 2000 Address : Fallbrook, CA Phone : (619) 723-4827 Fax : (619) 723-4392 Contact : Tim Finn email : tfinn@cerf.net (might not work anymore) Company : Gateway 2000 Phone : 1-800-846-2042 Contact : Andy Edlund (ext. 5401) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | TCS Computer Systems | AT&T Easy Reach Number | 25799B Madrone Drive | | (707)489-7500 | 0-700-TCS-0000 | Willits, CA 95490 | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com | Information: info@tcscs.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: foster@seismo.CSS.GOV (Glen Foster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 30 Jul 1993 18:09:32 GMT Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA Message-ID: <23bo4s$5ft@seismo.CSS.GOV> References: <CAyzJB.54K@world.std.com> <CAzFHD.JDI@news.iastate.edu> NeXT said about three years ago that they are not going to re-do Mail.app until NS 4.0. This was in response to strong requests for changes by one of their early adopters (DARPA). -- Glen Foster <foster@css.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clr@next_c.pai.com (Charles Robinson) Subject: WYSIWYG PostScript (what the hey?) Message-ID: <1993Jul30.174640.24107@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 17:46:40 GMT For fun and games try setting the enclosed on your printer. Results to date: Preview under Version 3.0 shows text body ("Cowen/Enterpirse Fund" etc.) Preview under Version 3.1 shows text Printing under Version 3.0 prints text Printing under Version 3.1 does not print text Printing on DEC Claser does not print text Printing on HP Laser Jet 4M does not print text Printing using PC Ultrascript prints text (Both versions we have) Printing using PC RIPS board prints text. Email your results and I'll see if there is a pattern. BTW: The postscript graphs were produced by a local program which picks up a DOS WordPerfect 5.1 postscript output file and uses that as an import for the text body. The only editing of the WP input file was to delete all comment lines and the showpage. I guess I am tripping up on some type of ambiguity in Postscript implementations but I am confused. I'd at least think that Previewer's RIP and the NeXT's printer RIP would be the same!!! What happened was that this is a "production job" that was worked last quarter but doesn't work this quarter. The only difference? I upgraded my NeXT to 3.1 on my color station. -- Charles Robinson Datec Inc. 333 W. 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From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 30 Jul 1993 19:24:28 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.93Jul30122428@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> <CAzHw0.K15@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> In-reply-to: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu's message of Fri, 30 Jul 1993 15:33:35 GMT >>>>> "Allen" == Allen B <ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu> writes: Allen> You know what I'd like in a new Mail.app? I'd like it if it stored mail in Allen> a format compatible with mh instead of Mail. Then I'd be more likely to Allen> read my mail from home and other remote situations. Hear, hear! :-) Maybe I would even use it for more than just the occasional non-ascii message. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu (Greg Foliente) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 30 Jul 1993 19:37:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <23btad$efe@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> References: <23ah60$nv4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <23ah60$nv4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > I think it's around $190 too steep. This seems to me to be another NS > app where someone wants big money for doing what other major GUI > environments have (and in some cases even NS has) for free. Another > app of this kind that shoots to my mind is LoadEye. > { SOME OTHER STUFF DELETED} > > If you need an app to charge $200 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > for, a newsreader is not it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Agree !!! -- ................................................................. Greg Foliente NeXTmail: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA pol2@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu .................................................................
From: begonia@abstractsoft.com (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD Date: 30 Jul 1993 20:09:57 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Message-ID: <23bv6l$k8s@news.u.washington.edu> References: <239h9v$3rq@hermes.athena.com> <1993Jul29.203720.25164@crash> In article <1993Jul29.203720.25164@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >Fine and dandy, but not good enough in my humble opinion. The editorial >and publishing staff should be FIGHTING, screaming, battling, and clawing >for every damn customer and advertiser they can find. They should be >proud enough of their publication to FIRE the fulfillment company and >get another. Or DO IT THEMSELVES if competence does not exist in the >magazine fulfillment industry. This is WAR, fight fight fight! > [munch munch] According to the June/July issue NeXTWORLD is getting(has gotten) someone new to take care of subscriptions. Hopefully this will make a difference. -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software P.O. Box 25045 Seattle, WA 98125 206/361-5080 e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) Subject: Re: Windows NT Released Message-ID: <1993Jul30.180909.14391@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Jul28.124748.233@proforma.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 18:09:09 GMT J. G. Gregory (jgg@proforma.com) wrote: : According to today's Wall Street Journal, MicroSoft released Windows : NT to manufacturing yesterday. They said that meant it would be : available in about 3 weeks. It wasn't released. It escaped... -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: johnw@vti.com (John Wiegley) Subject: Getting "troff" to work.. Message-ID: <CAzw5v.3p9@vti.com> Organization: Virtual Technologies Inc. Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 20:41:54 GMT Hello! I'd like to get the troff package working under NS2.1. However, every time I try to run it, I get "typesetter busy". I've tried changing the permissions of the "/dev/cat" device, reading through the man pages, checking NetInfo, etc. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks, John -- /_\ Virtual John Wiegley /-~_ \ Technologies johnw@vti.com / ~-_\ Incorporated 703-430-9247, FAX 703-450-4560 /_____________\ 46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160, Dulles, VA 20166
From: ray@mayo.edu (Ray Ghanbari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 30 Jul 1993 21:10:18 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <23c2nq$6jp@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <23btad$efe@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> [munch] Well, the lack of a fat version of Newsgrazer coming out of NeXT will certainly create a market for Newsgrazer Pro (hmmm). Running things NXHost gets to be a real pain after a while... -- Ray Ghanbari Mayo Foundation ray@mayo.edu
From: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jul30142000@schnorer.uci.edu> In-reply-to: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu's message of Fri, 30 Jul 1993 15:33:35 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 30 Jul 93 21:20:09 GMT References: <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> <CAzHw0.K15@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> In article <CAzHw0.K15@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: You know what I'd like in a new Mail.app? I'd like it if it stored mail in a format compatible with mh instead of Mail. Then I'd be more likely to read my mail from home and other remote situations. Don't. That would truly make Mail.app a toy. Storage of mail messages in separate files is not only wasteful of HD space even under BSD FFS optimizations, but what's much worse very, very slow. Listing a few hundred mh messages in one folder tests the limit of my patience, even when some caching scheme is in effect. Grepping through a folder of 5000 or more messages as I frequently do under Mail.app is unthinkable. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Apps that don't work with 3.1 - Icon & VideoApp Message-ID: <1993Jul30.220744.19823@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 22:07:44 GMT I had Icon working with 3.0, after upgrading to 3.1 only root can launch it. I get the following error message on the console: > Jul 30 22:04:20 mashallah Icon[864]: Pasteboard lookup failed on host mashallah: (Netnameserver: name not checked in) > Jul 30 22:04:21 mashallah last message repeated 12 times > Jul 30 22:04:21 mashallah Icon[864]: Invalid default font name: Helvetica > Jul 30 22:04:21 mashallah Icon[864]: Pasteboard lookup failed on host mashallah: (Netnameserver: name not checked in) Any suggestions? Also VideoApp and DVR refuse to run (I have a NextDimensions): > Jul 30 22:05:26 Workspace: Cannot exec /borrel/Apps/DVR/DVR : Bad executable (or shared library) > Jul 30 22:05:52 Workspace: Cannot exec /NextDeveloper/Demos/VideoApp : Bad executable (or shared library) Any suggestion? (email answers appreciated.) - Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no>
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 30 Jul 1993 23:26:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <23cano$a8l@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <CAzFHD.JDI@news.iastate.edu> In article <CAzFHD.JDI@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) writes: >Xexos Limited is working on a complete replacement for NeXTmail which >supports Mime and has several other nice new features. (I've seen it in >action, so not vaporware for me, but still is for you :) Will this have a documented API to encryption bundles? It doesn't have to contain an encryption module itself, just a documented mechanism to use one. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdstest1@bnr.ca (Rob Parkhill) Subject: Help with 3.1 Dev install Message-ID: <1993Jul30.203748.10179@bnr.ca> Sender: parkhill@nnepy220 (Rob Parkhill) Organization: Bell Northern Research Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 20:37:48 GMT Hi All: I finally got my 3.1 Dev Package (took FedEx less than 24 hours to get it to me, including crossing the border into Canada!). I went to install it last night and ended up getting the error: Installing /NextDeveloper/Examples/Appkit/Graph/English.lproj/ Info.nib/data.classes... Not a Directory There were errors while installing Developer Tool.pkg ...errors Ack! Does any kind soul out there have a hint as to what happened here? I would just copy all the files over from the CD, but I want to install it all without the Intel binaries... Any help/hints are appreciated. thanks Ert -- Ert Parkhill || WARNING: || These are my opinions. All mine! My REAL email address || Do not taunt || NO! I won't share them. Don't even is: mdstest1@bnr.ca || Happy Fun Ball || ask! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: Foreign Language Instruction Message-ID: <1993Jul30.151402.2425@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <CAw7xv.vHo@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 15:14:02 GMT In article <CAw7xv.vHo@ns1.nodak.edu> richards@plains (Jolene Richardson) writes: | I am interested in other prrojects that are using the capabilities of the | NeXT computer to teach foreign languages. What has been done? What has | worked well? Is anything available in public domain to incorporate into a | project? | | I'm working on a course for high school students that will transfer | information over phone lines in a kind of correspondence course in Russian. | If anyone else has worked on something similar I would much rather learn | from their efforts than make a bunch of mistakes myself. | | Jolene Richardson | richards@tag.sendit.nodak.edu Hi! My primary language is French. In my job, we use both English and French on a day to day basis. I know that the problems with Russians are not exactly the same than with French but I want to show you that NeXTSTEP could be a good choice for you. I used to work with Macintoshes, IBM-PC, UNIX systems and others. Today we use NeXT computers. Support for non-English (but using latin alphabet) language is in NeXTSTEP since version 2. With version 3.0 developping and localizing an application in many different (latin alphabet) language is an easy task. Applications provided by NeXT are "foreign language" compliant. That is true with "Edit", that is true with "Librarian" and, that is the most important, that is true with "NeXTMAIL". UNIX-mail is historicaly 7bits/characters based. NeXT has found a way to encode any binary (8 bits) file within the 7bit limit and send it over the wire which is mostly limited also to 7bits/character. That mean that everything that can be created/handled/stored in a NeXT computer could be easly sent over the wire. One of the basic format that NeXTSTEP supports is "rtf". With "rtf" you can mix fonts, size, bold, underline of each individual character. Such character could have accent also. NeXTMAIL uses a super-set of rtf to let you enclose any graphic, sound or document (file) within your message. From latin to cyrilic, the step should be easy. There is in the market some version of PostScript cyrilic fonts. Since NeXTSTEP uses only PostScript fonts, these cyrilic fonts could be installed and used. Remember: both ends of the wire must have such cyrillic fonts. I hope that will help you. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 31 Jul 1993 00:24:28 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Distribution: usa Message-ID: <deluxe-300793164648@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Jul26.152415.17109@linus.mitre.org> <1993Jul27.200732.898@charon.muc.de> <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk>, robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) wrote: > > Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. > > Anyone, anyone? > > Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. I'd be even more suprised if they didn't, since NeXTWORLD co-sponsored the Expo with NeXT. (NeXTWORLD EXPO, not NeXT Expo, or NeXTReview Expo, or, well you get the point) ^^^^^ I've had bad luck with earlier subscription problems myself. Of course, switching from six times per year to four times, no make that quarterly WITH a monthly supplement, no, we're charging extra for the supplement, no, we'll include the supplement now, hey, now we're back up to six issues per year, with the supplement again, only now it's only 40 pages thick, or whatever... It's no wonder people have a hard time straightening out subscription rates. I suppose that NeXTWORLD has merely mirrored NeXT's own shizophrenic marketing plans, with radical changes every couple of months or so to keep everyone guessing. I like a lot of the reporting in NeXTWORLD (except for the slapped-together articles in this last month's 'pamphlet'), and find their tone a refreshing change from most of the patronistic computer magazine speil. Also, I don't envy their task of trying to give NeXT a favorable spin every month without losing all credability with the other industry pundits. After what NeXT has been through earlier this year, I'm suprised NeXTWORLD didn't finally say, "Hey, how much longer do you think we can maintain our position with the rest of the press when you guys zip through VP's like there's no tommorrow", particularly when that last metaphor might prove correct. I heard that NeXTWORLD has finally switched to a new service to run their subscriptions, indicating that they were aware of the problems, but I agree that the readers have not always been treated all that well in the past (myself included). It's still too bad that there is no other viable alternative for the NeXT community, particularly something as good as MacWeek. -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 31 Jul 1993 00:22:21 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23cdvu$mu4@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > For more information, contact: > > Jayson Adams, CEO > Scott Love, President > Email: info@millennium.com > > Millennium Software Labs Announces Newsgrazer Pro(TM) for NEXTSTEP [skipping over details] > Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of > $199.95. The product will ship during the fourth quarter of 1993 > in multiple architecture binary (MAB) format, capable of running > on both Motorola- and Intel-based NEXTSTEP computers. I suspect that NewsGrazer Pro will be considerably fancier than NewsGrazer, maybe even enough to justify the $200 price. However, *I* can't justify spending $200 on a newsreader, and I can't help but think how much happier I'd be with the regular NewsGrazer if it just had a few bugs fixed (and an Intel version, did a fat binary for NG ever appear?). I wish Millenium plenty of success, but I'm afraid that a $200 newsreader isn't going to be successful. Not with me, at least. I can't help but think that this is mildly depressing, as I like NewsGrazer a lot. Sigh. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing 3.1 Developer from Upgrade Server? Date: 28 Jul 1993 23:08:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <2370sl$5et@hub.ucsb.edu> Keywords: 3.1 Developer Upgrade Is it possible to install the developer portion of 3.1 via an upgrade server like you can the user portion? What if you want to install the developer portion on another machine, but not have it installed on the machine functioning as the upgrade server (we have too few licenses right now)? Thanks. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Name Games (was Re: PowerPC upgrades for Cubes?) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 31 Jul 1993 00:38:02 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Distribution: world Message-ID: <deluxe-300793172911@17.220.88.2> References: <22vdh8INN522@network.ucsd.edu> <CAxurD.F9G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <CAxurD.F9G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) wrote: > > > More seriously, what are the chances of a sustained 3rd-party aftermarket > for black hardware? If NeXT ever releases its specs, could we see things > like a hardware-compression daughterboard for the ND's mystery expansion > slot? (a VERY esoteric peice of hardware, I know, but let's think grandly) I can see it now: "Come over here, Billy, I want to show you something", said the stooping old man as he shuffled to a far corner in the attic. His arthritic hands labored to unwrap something from a tight bundle of crumbling fax paper. "You'll never see another one of THESE, that's for sure!" "What is it, Granpa?" asked the boy impatiently. The old man held up a rather large 3" by 7" printed circuit board, probably made in the 20th century. "This," he said with a touch of pride, "is a very rare video data compression circuit, made up custom to fit the very early NeXT machines. Yep, 'made less than a hundred of THESE babies!" -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Graphics Tablets Message-ID: <1993Jul30.234633.17356@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1993Jul29.044720.20656@noao.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 23:46:33 GMT In article <1993Jul29.044720.20656@noao.edu> dkoski@noao.edu (David Koski) writes: > > Does anyone have any experience hooking up a Wacom SD-510C graphics tablet > to black hardware? I hooked mine up to serial port B just like InstallTablet > said, but it is not recognized. The tablet itself appears to be working, > the various lights flash as I move the stylus. > > Does anyone know the correct DIP switch settings? Any help would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Make sure you have the right cable. I use the Wacom cable for the Mac. After futzing around with various cables, I finally paid Wacom the $15 or $25 for their cable, and it worked fine. The DIP Switch settings are in the on-line docs, in /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/ReleaseNotes/TabletDriver.rtfd I've used a Wacom 321E (I think, 12" electrostatic) for a long time. Virtuoso loves it... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Jul30.235317.17800@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 23:53:17 GMT In article <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: > In article <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> > Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: > > Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of > > $199.95. > > Ouch! Isn't this a bit steep for a news reader? Especially when > what you're basically paying for is the sexy GUI? I love > NewsGrazer, but I doubt if I would spend even $50 to use it instead > of rn, trn or nn. Well... maybe $50 :-) > > They'd probably sell at least 4 times as many if they dropped their > price below $50... (hint) > Hopefully, they'll have educational pricing. Anyway, who says Newsgrazer Pro will only be what Newsgrazer is? I'm sure Jason's come a long since he wrote Newsgrazer, especially if NoteBook is any indication. I would assume that the work that he and Scott (and whoever else worked on it) put into making NoteBook such a spiff piece of work will work it's way into this new product. Sure would be nice if they had a significant educational discount on NoteBook, but what the hey... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Getting "troff" to work.. Message-ID: <1993Jul31.015447.15143@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <CAzw5v.3p9@vti.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 01:54:47 GMT In article <CAzw5v.3p9@vti.com> johnw@vti.com (John Wiegley) writes: >I'd like to get the troff package working under NS2.1. However, every >time I try to run it, I get "typesetter busy". Use ptroff instead of troff. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Jul31.021936.24936@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <23ah60$nv4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 02:19:36 GMT J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes | I think it's around $190 too steep. This seems to me to be another NS | app where someone wants big money for doing what other major GUI | environments have (and in some cases even NS has) for free. Another | app of this kind that shoots to my mind is LoadEye. | | Hopefully NG Pro will be some incredibly powerful newsreader that'll | make nn, rn and trn look lame, but I doubt it. I think the best | future for this app is shareware. Charge a reasonable rate like Scott | Hess and Don Yacktman do for their work and don't insult the customers | with such an outrageously priced app. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, we have a volunteer! What a chance to show that Jayson Adams that in spite of his numerous very fine contributions to the NeXT community, and the considerable liklihood that he is presently starving for his efforts, there is a more virtuous way! Please post your schedule, Jeff, and shareware price so we can prepare to not be insulted. Anyone with comments/suggestions/requests can forward them to jeffo@uiuc.edu. And thanks, Jeff: there's nothing like putting your money where your mouth is! Tom
From: bajwa@ucs.ubc.ca (Bob Bajwa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "mix" from i*link ? Date: 31 Jul 1993 02:45:08 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <23cmbk$ccs@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1993Jul29.172506.3653@adobe.com> In article <1993Jul29.172506.3653@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: > Heikki Ketola writes > > > Overall? I like mix a lot. If you have any specific questions > > about it, I'll be happy to answer them. > > Yes, how do we get one? > > -- > Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com > Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and > 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect > Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- You can e-mail Alembic Systems International for info about "mix" software. Their e-mail address is alembic@alembic.com. I just received a brochure on Mix in NeXTmail from their Sales Executive, Tyler Janisch. Here is their mailing address and phone/fax numbers: Alembic Systems International Ltd. 14 Inverness Drive East, Suite G-228 Englewood, Colorado 80112 Tel: (303)799-6223 Fax:(303)799-1435 Toll-Free: 1-800-452-7608 -bob bajwa University Computing Services University of British Columbia Vancouver, B.C., Canada
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NSFIP w/16 bit color, 16 megs Date: 29 Jul 1993 09:01:00 -0000 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2383kc$1cb@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1993Jul27.132446.23789@cs.uno.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cajho@uno.edu writes: >Are there any user of NSFIP out there using 16-bit color with only 16 megs? >16 megs is listed as the minimum, w/24 suggested. I would like to hear how >NSFIP runs as a single-user system, with not TOO much going on at once, w/only >16 megs in 16-bit color. I just upgraded from 16 to 32. 16 MB are almost filled up after logging in, so anything you do causes swapping. For doing Unix stuff in terminal windows 16 MB are enough, but if you start applications, your swap file will take control over the free rest of your hard disk sooner or later. Playing with the Demo of AppsoftImage, I got swap files up to 100 MB. The box came down to its knees. Now I got 32 MB. Like day and night. Performance improvement by factor 2. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Cray computers? Where? When?? How???
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 31 Jul 1993 04:30:28 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23csh4$ojc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jul31.021936.24936@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) writes: > J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes > | I think it's around $190 too steep. This seems to me to be another > | NS app where someone wants big money for doing what other major GUI > | environments have (and in some cases even NS has) for free. Another > | app of this kind that shoots to my mind is LoadEye. > | > | Hopefully NG Pro will be some incredibly powerful newsreader that'll > | make nn, rn and trn look lame, but I doubt it. I think the best > | future for this app is shareware. Charge a reasonable rate like > | Scott Hess and Don Yacktman do for their work and don't insult > | the customers with such an outrageously priced app. > > There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, we have a volunteer! > What a chance to show that Jayson Adams that in spite of his > numerous very fine contributions to the NeXT community, and the > considerable liklihood that he is presently starving for his > efforts, there is a more virtuous way! Please post your schedule, > Jeff, and shareware price so we can prepare to not be insulted. > Anyone with comments/suggestions/requests can forward them to > jeffo@uiuc.edu. And thanks, Jeff: there's nothing like putting > your money where your mouth is! I don't think Jeff deserves the sarcasm of this post. What he says is simply the truth: at $200 it is not likely that NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies. This is true even though Jayson is certainly a highly respected NeXT developer. Jeff is also telling the truth when he says that many platforms have much cheaper newsreader solutions available. Hmm, I guess I don't agree with him that NewsGrazer Pro needs to be shareware, but it's got to be more affordable. And I say that with every intention of having Jayson & company end up as one of the beneficiaries of that lower price. NewsGrazer is good enough that I'd certainly pay $50 for it, and I'd like to think that lots of other NeXT owners would too. I could probably go up to $100 for it, but I don't know how many other people would. At $200 I simply can not justify the expense, and I can pretty much bet you that no one in my NeXT user's group will be able to afford it either. That is a statement of fact, and not just a cheapskate looking for a free ride. I guess I'm hoping that the $200 price is some marketting guru's idea of the retail price, and that the actual "street price" will be more affordable. In my case I'd could also hope for an educational price that would get it within my reach, but that's not much help for non-educational users. I'm quite sincere in wishing Jayson the best of luck with this. It will be nice to have a top-notch newsreader which is actively supported, instead of the current status of NewsGrazer (which has been pretty much in limbo for quite some time now). I'd like to see a supported newsreader app. I can understand that NeXT needs to concentrate on the OS itself, and that someone else should therefore come up with an application. Certainly Jayson did a pretty sharp job with NewsGrazer, so if anyone came up with a commercial news reader then I have a lot of confidence that his company would produce a quality program. Perhaps the best results (both for NeXTSTEP users, and for Millennium's finances) would be if there was some introductory offer price. It's too soon to really tell though, as we don't know what NewsGrazer Pro will actually look like. If it's really a best-of-breed Newsreader then it may be a very good deal at $200. Still, it's discouraging. I *want* a supported newsreader, and as a matter of principle I'd like to get that from Millenium (given that I've been using NewsGrazer for so long and have been happy with it). So I *want* to be enthusiastic about this, but it's hard to be excited about paying that much for a newsreader when I can just turn the chair in my office around and run NewsWatcher on my Mac IIci for free. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <CB0KI6.H0z@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <SOWA.93Jul30122428@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 05:27:41 GMT Erik C. Sowa writes []>>>>> "Allen" == Allen B <ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu> writes: [] []Allen> You know what I'd like in a new Mail.app? I'd like it if it stored mail in []Allen> a format compatible with mh instead of Mail. Then I'd be more likely to []Allen> read my mail from home and other remote situations. [] []Hear, hear! :-) Maybe I would even use it for more than just the []occasional non-ascii message. Gee Erik, you should try getting a SLIP connection and then see what you think! Been a wonderful improvement in my life! (I may start sending you voicemail on a regular basis :) As for command line mail, get ELM from Jess Anderson's FTP site and make your active.mbox one of the available folders. A perfect way to log in remotely and access ASCII mail, and far better than adding a slow feature (see Carl Edman's related post) to Mail.app -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (Summary) Multi-floppy pkg files and the OD Date: 31 Jul 1993 06:59:56 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <23d59c$clh@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <2388as$6db@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <2388as$6db@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: >Hi, I'm trying to install Illustrator for the NeXT, but have no >floppy drive. By a VERY tortuous method, I have managed to put the >contents of the three Illustrator disks onto my OD. > >When what do I do next??? If I rename the OD to Adobe_IllustratorDisk1 and >double-click on Adobe_Illustrator_3.0.1.pkg, the first package is >installed. The problem is that Installer can't eject the OD and >thus the install fails. > >Help! Well, I got a couple of replies. The following is the answer to my query. It was culled from the e-mail responses. Look in each disks *.pkg directries. You will find Packagename.tar.Z.1, ..2, ..3, etc, and will notice that all other files like *.bom are identical on all diskettes. Concatenate these tar.Z.# into a single big tar.Z file and put the resulting tar.Z file into the Disk1's *.pkg. (You can use "cat" command to do this.) Try "zcat packagename.tar.Z |tar tvf - " to see if you have a good file, and then delete tar.Z.1 from Disk1's pkg. Delete pkg's for 2-nd disk on. Now you have a single big package you can install. Of course, you should always work on copies of the pkg files, just in case you mung something up. Thanks to Izumi Ohzawa (izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu), James E. Burns (burns@nova.bellcore.com), a NeXT Inc. employee, and John (haugelan+@pitt.edu). The NeXT employees name was not mentioned intentionally -- his e-mail was really useful. (I just didn't want his e-mail box to be filled with questions once other realized he actually read news.) RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines and Keeper of the ZyXEL FAQ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: Getting rid of NEXTSTEP boot block Message-ID: <chris.744103083@vincent2.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <CAsHHF.8I3@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <1993Jul27.053419.8746@uwasa.fi> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 07:18:03 GMT In <1993Jul27.053419.8746@uwasa.fi> hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) writes: >In article <CAsHHF.8I3@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@bnk014.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: >>We tried installing NEXTSTEP on a DECstation 425c PC (just >>to try it), and it failed. So we reinstalled DOS, but when >>we boot, the screen continuously prints the message >> >> NeXT boot1 v1.17 >> >>and does not boot. How do we fix this? >I hope there is an easier solution than this: There is. With the Mickey$hit fdisk /mbr undocumented option. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 00:27:14 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93212.002714CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SupraFax and NeXTstation I once read in this group that a voice driver was available for the SupraFax modem on NeXT machines. Could some kind soul please tell me what it is called and where it is. Also for a fax/data driver which one is better...DFax or NXFax? Thank you. ---Masud.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 00:32:11 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93212.003212CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Streaking of NeXT monitor My NeXT monitor is streaking wherever there is a grey change in another layer of windows. Thus, a selection in a background fileviewer causes a slightly darker streak along the rest of the screen...horizontal only. Any suggestions...streaking can be distracting! Thanks. ---Masud.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 07:23:07 GMT In article <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: #In article <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> #Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: #> Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of #> $199.95. # #Ouch! Isn't this a bit steep for a news reader? Especially when #what you're basically paying for is the sexy GUI? I love #NewsGrazer, but I doubt if I would spend even $50 to use it instead #of rn, trn or nn. Well... maybe $50 :-) # #They'd probably sell at least 4 times as many if they dropped their #price below $50... (hint) I agree. I'd pay $50 but not $200 for a Newsreader. Hell I can live with the version of Grazer I have now. My OS upgrade was less than they want for a newsreader. I could always run X11 and use XRN. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: [Q] Cursor Exploder Program? Message-ID: <1993Jul31.100657.6836@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jul30.153606.9561@ads.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 10:06:57 GMT In article <1993Jul30.153606.9561@ads.com> chris@socrates.ads.com (Chris Smith) writes: >On the Macintoshes there are a couple of programs which, among other >features, offer what is sometimes referred to as a cursor exploding >feature. If the user presses a certain key or key combination, a one- or >two-inch circle flashes for a second or so around the cursor. Comes in >quite handy on large displays! Use Preferences to enable the right mouse button. -=EPS=-
From: t146678@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Tuominen Juha) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS3.1 on SoftPC Date: 31 Jul 1993 13:49:03 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <23dimv$577@cc.tut.fi> I'm just curious, has anyone tried to run NeXTstep 3.1 on SoftPC? I would imagine there would be some problems with drives and cards, but it might work. Anyone tried? -- Juha Tuominen NeXTMail talks and disk drive walks Opiskelijankatu 30 B 42 Tampere University of Technology 33720 TAMPERE - FINLAND Mail: t146678@cc.tut.fi Phone: +358-31-182 851
From: mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: changing ownership of a hd Date: 31 Jul 1993 10:29:25 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9307311527.AA19088@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> I have a Seagate 2.4Ghd that worked pretty nearly out-of -the box merely after using BuildDisk on it. I put an ftab entry in for it and it is mounted as hd2 at startup time. owner/group of the hd2 is mgilula/nogroup and I would the hd2 to be the same as my home dir, i.e. the owner/group of the hd2 should be mgilula/wheel so I went to Terminal/su'd to root and cd to / [hd2 is located AT / ] I then issued the command, chown -R mgilula.wheel hd2 and hit enter. hd2 churned for a long time. When I went back to check the ownership and group of hd2 (with a command-1) it gave me mgilulal-nogroup (what it had originally been). Did I goof up on the syntax? -73- --- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Subject: Re: SupraFax and NeXTstation Message-ID: <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <93212.002714CADER@auvm.american.edu> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 16:11:07 GMT <CADER@auvm.american.edu> writes []I once read in this group that a voice driver was available for the []SupraFax modem on NeXT machines. Could some kind soul please tell me []what it is called and where it is. [] []Also for a fax/data driver which one is better...DFax or NXFax? [] Supra is planning to support voicemail sometime in the future. This is an upgrade which was first promised to come out in Q2 of this year, and at this time there are not, to my knowledge, even close to releasing it. Just have to wait and see. As for NXFax vs. DFax, the question is approaching FAQ status. From conversations with various people and reading the different newsgroups it seems as if both work flawlessly on the NeXT (i.e. there are rarely complaints about either one, and any problems all turn out to be solvable). DFax has recently added some nice features (like an "uninstall" command, useful for something that interacts so intimately with the kernel), but you could not go wrong with either one. Hope this is helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD Message-ID: <69852@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 31 Jul 93 15:49:23 GMT References: <239h9v$3rq@hermes.athena.com> <1993Jul29.203720.25164@crash> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Jul29.203720.25164@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > They [NeXTWORLD] should be proud enough of their publication to FIRE the > fulfillment company and get another. I thought I heard they did just that fairly recently. > Or DO IT THEMSELVES if competence does not exist in the > magazine fulfillment industry. shouldnt be too tough of a custom app, but I'ld rather they spent their efforts on the content. If you look at the bylines, most of the articles are written by just a few people. by the way, I agree with both assertions: that the subscription customer service has been terrible and that flames about subscription service are independent of the editorial content -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SupraFax and NeXTstation Message-ID: <17788@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 31 Jul 93 16:54:32 GMT References: <93212.002714CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov writes: CADER@auvm.american.edu> writes []I once read in this group that a voice driver was available for the []SupraFax modem on NeXT machines. Could some kind soul please tell me []what it is called and where it is. []Also for a fax/data driver which one is better...DFax or NXFax? ... >As for NXFax vs. DFax, the question is approaching FAQ status. From >conversations with various people and reading the different newsgroups it >seems as if both work flawlessly on the NeXT (i.e. there are rarely >complaints about either one, and any problems all turn out to be solvable). >DFax has recently added some nice features (like an "uninstall" command, >useful for something that interacts so intimately with the kernel), but you >could not go wrong with either one. Well, unfortunately, I have to report troubles with DFax. I was one of the first purchasers and TotSysSoft has not been able to provide me a copy that works reliably for my configuration of equipment (specifically out Serial Port B). It's not for lack of trying, however, as I've been installing, uninstalling (good thing they distributed the 'uninstall' app), and reinstalling since I first received the package. Mind you I'm a patient kind'a guy-- comes a point though... -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 31 Jul 1993 18:30:53 GMT Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Distribution: na Message-ID: <23edot$pto@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> I also would pay $50-$100 for a good, solid, supported Newsreader. Jayson Adams has produced some wonderful software, and I am sure NG-Pro would be worth that much. Of course, at $200, I think there will be very few purchasers. But, given that NG-Pro is still vaporware, Jayson has time to reconsider. As to anyone contemplating writing a shareware/PD newsreader, let me suggest him/her to look at NewsBase at the archives first. It is an almost functional newsreader under the Gnu license. It needs some fixing up (compile fails under 3.1), and some documentation. I also don't like the separation of command window and reader window, but fixing this would require a lot of work. In any case, work on NB would be a very valuable service to the NeXT community (especially the NS/Intel subset) for a programmer with NS knowledge. /ivo PS: I do not know much about either system programming or NeXT programming. Still, even I once managed to get NB to run in about a day's effort, but then lost my mods in a crash.
From: tg2@prism.gatech.EDU (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DFax/TotSysSoft experiences (was "SupraFax and NeXTstation") Message-ID: <107081@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 31 Jul 93 19:19:06 GMT References: <93212.002714CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> <17788@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology In <17788@blue.cis.pitt.edu> cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) writes: >Well, unfortunately, I have to report troubles with DFax. I was one of >the first purchasers and TotSysSoft has not been able to provide me a Unfortunately, I too have to report troubles with DFax, or perhaps with the service provided by TotSysSoft. I was also a pre-release customer and I still use DFax on my cube. Service WAS good and Bruce Gingery was very helpful in tracking down some problems (such as an explanation of why I have problems with having a Wacom tablet on Port B interfering with the SupraFax modem on Port A). My complaint, and a rather big one it is, is about the means of upgrading to version DFax 1.04. Sometime ago it was announced in one of the NeXT newsgroups that that they had set up one of their machines so that a registered user can log in remotely, USING A MODEM, and transfer the upgrades. It works like this: you send them mail, they create an account and mail you a possword. Then you dial up their number, login in, and transfer using Zmodem or kermit (or a couple of other protocols). I stopped using kermit long time ago when I went from a Mac to the NeXT soon after the latter came out. (I now use Louis Mamakos's SLIP.) When I did ftp kermit from sonata, installed it, and tried to connect, the line was mostly busy. Finally I managed to connect last weekend. But, after about 15-20 minutes, in the middle of the transfer the modem dropped the line. (I have not had phone line problems in a long time.) Of course, the transfer was incomplete. I gave up since I cannot afford to keep calling long distance until I get a clean and reliable telephone connection. I sent mail to TotSysSoft explaining my troubles and asking for an alternate means of upgrading (I would even settle for floppies). Or, I can accept NeXTmail and pay for any reasonable expenses. While ARDI can provide upgrades for their customers via anonymous ftp, I don't know why TotSysSoft cannot do it. I have heard from them. (I am sure someone will respond soon; but I didn't post this because I didn't get a response so far. I just don't like their method for upgrade. To be fair to them, there are probably other customers who prefer this approach.) I have no experience with NXFax, but when I asked for information while I was waiting for my pre-release version of DFax, I received prompt and helpful response. From what I have read over the net, I would probably buy NXFax if I were to buy the fax software now. govind -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: NSFIP folks w/scsi controllers Message-ID: <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 20:59:49 GMT Well, I just got NSFIP, am waiting for CDROM to install. Reading the included pamphlet "Installing and Configuring NeXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel Processors" I notice, on page 3, under "assembling some common devices to work with NeXTSTEP" this-- SCSI Adapters You must disable the separate floppy disk controller on your SCSI adapter, if you adapter includes one. WHAT?! Does this mean what it sounds like it means? I have no other floppy controller, only the one on my Adaptec 1742 card. One needs a 3.5 floppy for the install, no? Am I screwed? Will NeXTSTEP not support the floppy controller on this card? (I am assuming that my 1742 will work in 1542 compat. mode... is this an invalid assumption? The 1742 will be fully supported in 3.2, I know.) Tell me I am misunderstanding something here. I have no desire to stick another card in my system just to support a 3.5 drive. In addition, is my Canon BJ-200 inkjet totally useless under NeXTSTEP? Is it, will it be supported, that anyone knows of? Without paying a bunch more money, of course. I bought an inkjet rather than a laser because I don't have the money. It would be real silly to pay a bunch more just to use my BJ-200 under NeXTSTEP. Thanks, Craig. -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: You and your Swapfile Message-ID: <Jul31.212717.52773@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 21:27:17 GMT Distribution: na References: <22sd47$1vm@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993Jul27.104647.967@gamelan> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > The really important question is: Can swapfile shrink ? Thus if > you swap (do some really big in Mathematica) and finish the > App, the swapfile should have gone back to its former size > (lowat). The basic answer is yes. The swapfile has been able to shrink since 2.x, as I remember. However, it can only shrink by truncating the end of the swapfile, so the problem occurs when: A) You run Mathematica and grow the swapfile by 60MB B) The WindowServer needs an extra 4k, and grows the swapfile further C) Mathematica ends The swapfile can't be reduced because there's a single 4k block used at the end of it. The space in the middle can be reused by further paging, so it shouldn't grow continuously, but it won't shrink, either. In order to ALWAYS be able to shrink, the OS'd need to periodically compact the swapfile. Ugh. Swapfile growth and shrinkage is soooo inefficient you're better off dedicating space to the swap if you can get away with it. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Windows NT Released Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 31 Jul 1993 22:12:10 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Distribution: world Message-ID: <deluxe-310793151119@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Jul28.124748.233@proforma.com> <1993Jul30.180909.14391@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <1993Jul30.180909.14391@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) wrote: > > J. G. Gregory (jgg@proforma.com) wrote: > : According to today's Wall Street Journal, MicroSoft released Windows > : NT to manufacturing yesterday. They said that meant it would be > : available in about 3 weeks. > > It wasn't released. It escaped... Or was pinched out like a hot, steaming... well, never mind.
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SupraFax and NeXTstation Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 31 Jul 1993 22:24:52 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Distribution: world Message-ID: <deluxe-310793151451@17.220.88.2> References: <93212.002714CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> <17788@blue.cis.pitt.edu> In article <17788@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) wrote: > > In article <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov writes: > > CADER@auvm.american.edu> writes > []I once read in this group that a voice driver was available for the > []SupraFax modem on NeXT machines. Could some kind soul please tell me > []what it is called and where it is. > > []Also for a fax/data driver which one is better...DFax or NXFax? > > > ... > > >As for NXFax vs. DFax, the question is approaching FAQ status. Yes, please FAQ this. > > Well, unfortunately, I have to report troubles with DFax. I was one of > the first purchasers and TotSysSoft has not been able to provide me a > copy that works reliably for my configuration of equipment (specifically > out Serial Port B). It's not for lack of trying, however, as I've been > installing, uninstalling (good thing they distributed the 'uninstall' > app), and reinstalling since I first received the package. Mind you I'm > a patient kind'a guy-- comes a point though... What kind of problems have you had? I bought a Supra modem in January, but haven't had a burning need to buy fax software yet (or the ROM upgrade for the Supra). As a data modem it works fine, although I haven't tried any UUCP stuff yet. Also, besides its decent price, I like the idea of a descriptive front display (rather than trying to decypher an array of LEDs). I tried a demo copy of NXFax, which didn't work and pestered me with alert panels every five minutes. I was hoping that Dfax would be a truly transparent utility that I could set and forget. Are there any current comparisons of these two products that describe them feature for feature? -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SupraFax and NeXTstation Date: 1 Aug 1993 01:51:26 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <REUVEN.93Jul31215125@carbonara.mit.edu> References: <93212.002714CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CB1EAK.1E8@news.iastate.edu> <17788@blue.cis.pitt.edu> In-reply-to: cjp+@pitt.edu's message of 31 Jul 93 16:54:32 GMT >>>>> On 31 Jul 93 16:54:32 GMT, cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) >>>>> said: Casey> [...] It's not for lack of trying, however, as I've been Casey> installing, uninstalling (good thing they distributed the Casey> 'uninstall' app), and reinstalling since I first received the Casey> package. When did the distribute this "uninstall" package? I haven't heard a peep from the developers since my floppy and manual arrived in the mail several months ago. Reuven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@desdemona.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Operator) Subject: Login Panel 3.1 Message-ID: <IGWFB6WH@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Keywords: Login Panel, 3.1 Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 02:05:44 GMT Hello, has anyone already put together some fancy Login Panel tiff for 3.1? Every day, I see this ugly "feature", I m getting a headache :-( Can someone help me get rid of it ? I know it can be "customized" by changing the nib file and tiffs, one could even tailor it to the old format (if one wouldn t have those power/restart buttons). Perhaps it even looks nice, when used with some decent tiff as background. thanks for any improvement, Stephan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <chris.744171612@vincent2.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> <23edot$pto@news.mic.ucla.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 02:20:12 GMT In <23edot$pto@news.mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: >I also would pay $50-$100 for a good, solid, supported Newsreader. >Jayson Adams has produced some wonderful software, and I am sure >NG-Pro would be worth that much. Of course, at $200, I think there >will be very few purchasers. But, given that NG-Pro is still >vaporware, Jayson has time to reconsider. $200 is the suggested retail price. I don't NG-Pro will sell in the market with this price tag. How many times did you pay a retail price for a new software package? So, the price will be much below $200. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: NSFIP folks w/scsi controllers Message-ID: <chris.744171796@vincent2.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 02:23:16 GMT In <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu writes: >Well, I just got NSFIP, am waiting for CDROM to install. Reading the included >pamphlet "Installing and Configuring NeXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel Processors" >I notice, on page 3, under "assembling some common devices to work with >NeXTSTEP" this-- > >SCSI Adapters >You must disable the separate floppy disk controller on your SCSI adapter, if >you adapter includes one. You don't need to. I have try it before. But on your own risk. NeXT said it's not officially supported. But it works for me anyway. I'm using AHA-1542C. However, I have disabled the Floppy controller just to avoid any risk. (I've got an on-board F controller) >WHAT?! Does this mean what it sounds like it means? I have no other floppy >controller, only the one on my Adaptec 1742 card. One needs a 3.5 floppy for >the install, no? Am I screwed? Will NeXTSTEP not support the floppy controller >on this card? (I am assuming that my 1742 will work in 1542 compat. mode... >is this an invalid assumption? The 1742 will be fully supported in 3.2, I know.) >Tell me I am misunderstanding something here. I have no desire to stick another >card in my system just to support a 3.5 drive. > >In addition, is my Canon BJ-200 inkjet totally useless under NeXTSTEP? Is it, >will it be supported, that anyone knows of? Without paying a bunch more money, You should be able to make BJ-200 work on IBM Proprinter 24 or Espon 510 emulation. But, you have to pay an extra $75 dollars for Adobe Rendering license. >of course. I bought an inkjet rather than a laser because I don't have the >money. It would be real silly to pay a bunch more just to use my BJ-200 >under NeXTSTEP. > >Thanks, >Craig. >-- >Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? >cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ggerard@Alex.Engr.Trinity.Edu (Greg Gerard) Subject: SCSI Cards, DMA and more than 16 Megabytes of RAM... Message-ID: <1993Aug1.052747.8990@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Trinity University, San Antonio TX. USA Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 05:27:47 GMT I have heard that using a SCSI card with more than 16 Megs of RAM doesn't work on ISA machines because the DMA addresses are only 24 bits. I have also heard info contrary to this. Could someone with experience tell me? thanks, greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: Apps that don't work with 3.1 - Icon & VideoApp Message-ID: <1993Aug1.082450.7783@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <1993Jul30.220744.19823@dhhalden.no> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 08:24:50 GMT Thnks for the answers. Icon needs to have the 3.0 patch, the 2.1 resources and the public window server preference on to work. As for VideoApp: > From: Marcel Waldvogel <Marcel.Waldvogel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch> > To: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no > Subject: Re: Apps that don't work with 3.1 - Icon & VideoApp > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs > Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zurich, Switzerland > > In article <1993Jul30.220744.19823@dhhalden.no> you write: > >Also VideoApp and DVR refuse to run (I have a NextDimensions): > > > > > Jul 30 22:05:26 Workspace: Cannot exec /borrel/Apps/DVR/DVR : Bad executable > >(or shared library) > > > Jul 30 22:05:52 Workspace: Cannot exec /NextDeveloper/Demos/VideoApp : Bad > >executable (or shared library) > > What does 'ebadexec <path to executable>' say? > > -Marcel Marcel, Thank you kindly for the tip! This appears to be the workaround for now: > 3%ebadexec /NextDeveloper/demo/VideoApp > ebadexec: executable file: /NextDeveloper/demo/VideoApp does not exist (No such file or directory) The libvideo_s.A.shlib picked up from NS 3.0 just made the whole machine freeze up, so this appears to be the solution: > 6%ls -l /usr/shlib/libvideo_s.A.shlib > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 18 Aug 1 07:29 /usr/shlib/libvideo_s.A.shlib -> libMedia_s.A.shlib@ Both VideoApp and DVR work now (though the DVR animations are not as smooth as I seem to remember them). Thanks again. - Barre Ludvigsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: MailCall & 3.1 bug Message-ID: <1993Aug1.101344.8577@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 10:13:44 GMT MailCall has become indispensable. It displays from and subject in a small window in the lower left of the screen. You see the importance of incoming mail at a glance. With NS 3.1 a bug has crept in. Updating the display window after emptying /usr/spool/mail/<user> quits MailCall! How nice it would be if MailCall updated itself occasionally, emptying the window when the spool file is gone. As it is now, my workaround is to echo a space to create an empty spool file before upafating, that way at least it doesn't quit. Any one have a better fix? Is there somewone with programming abilities that feels called upon to fix and recompile the source? - Barre Ludvigsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: laux@lxki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Laux) Subject: Re: NSFIP folks w/scsi controllers Message-ID: <1993Aug1.114209.14968@lxki.toppoint.de> Organization: Private uucp site References: <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> <chris.744171796@vincent2.iastate.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 11:42:09 GMT chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >In <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu writes: >>Well, I just got NSFIP, am waiting for CDROM to install. Reading the included >>pamphlet "Installing and Configuring NeXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel Processors" >>I notice, on page 3, under "assembling some common devices to work with >>NeXTSTEP" this-- >> >>SCSI Adapters >>You must disable the separate floppy disk controller on your SCSI adapter, if >>you adapter includes one. >You don't need to. I have try it before. But on your own risk. >NeXT said it's not officially supported. But it works for me anyway. >I'm using AHA-1542C. I've tried it using a 1542b and the machine got stuck when trying to prepare the harddisk. I couldn't get a hold of a FD Controler so I put in an IDE Controler an disabled the HD part. The installation went fine but as soon as I put in a disk and select Check For Disks the system panics and has to be rebooted. -- Thorsten Laux, Schuhmacherstr. 27/29, 2300 Kiel, FRG, Voice: +49 431 96334, email: laux@lxki.toppoint.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: robertn@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD Message-ID: <CAyu8I.B4v@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@demon.co.uk (Usenet Administration) Organization: Demon Internet Services. References: <239ert$3io@hermes.athena.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 07:02:41 GMT In article <239ert$3io@hermes.athena.com> tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > > In comp.sys.next.misc article <234cpl$6l0@steffi.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Actually I haven't but I haven't heard anybody who has. > > > > Anyone, anyone? > > > > Surprised NeXT let them on the Expo floor to be honest. > > > > -- > > Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people. > > --Actually I have had very food experiences with NeXTWORLD. They have > generated a lot of interest in Mesa via the reader response card. > However, as an advertiser my subscriptions do arrive on time. I think > that their move to a monthly will benefit the community by having more > timely articles, although, fewer per month. I have a feeling that if > those people who have had subscription problems contact NeXTWORLD they may > actually get a good response from a bunch of journalists trying to get a > magazine published. I guess I am biased. I like the magazine and the > NEXTSTEP platform really needs NeXTWORLD to keep reporting on the > technology and reviewing applications. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tracy Kugelman, Athena Design, one woman's opinion... IMHO, you should be concerned that since you are an advertiser and are funding their operation that there is such problematic distribution.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <1993Jul30.141010.3604@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <CAyzJB.54K@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 14:10:10 GMT In article <CAyzJB.54K@world.std.com> lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) writes: > In article <1993Jul29.235245.461@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > >In article <1993Jul29.025237.7550@zion.com> mtzion!david (David J. > >Ferrero) writes: > >> I've heard that NeXT is working on a new mail app. > >> > >> Anyone heard if this will be distributed in the 3.2 upgrade? > >There is no new mail app in 3.2. > > Are there any third party developers working on an alternative mail app? > Yep.... -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: Question concerning CD-ROM and audio Message-ID: <1993Aug1.145139.27036@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University References: <CAw12u.Kq3@unix.portal.com> <CAwz7B.1ns@cosy.sbg.ac.at> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 14:51:39 GMT Bernhard Nocker (bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at) wrote: : In article <CAw12u.Kq3@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) : writes: : > In article <230rju$4d3@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald : Bora) writes: : > > I have hooked up a NEC CD-ROM drive to my cube. I am trying to use : > >the CDPlayer program to play cd-audio off the CD-ROM drive and it : > >is not working. Any suggestions? : > : > I have no advice to offer, I'm afriad BUT - I have the NEC CD-ROM drive : > on my machine also, except this time it's an Intel box. This drive : > is quite capable of playing audio from <gulp> MS Windows. : Most important is a set setuid bit of CDPlayer and an enabled : PublicWindowServer! h, and that is accomplished by cd to the CDPlayer.app directory and typing: chmod 4755 CDPlayer Cowboy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <239ea7$r3k@umigw.miami.edu> <1993Jul29.202110.25015@crash> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 10:51:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jul30.105112.17738@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jul29.202110.25015@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >Nope. I've had bad experience with NeXTWORLD magazine since issue number >one. Absolutely incredible that they've never gotten their act together, >after all these years! I wonder if any of these remarks will appear in their round-up of comments from the net? :-) Dave Griffiths
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 31 Jul 1993 00:11:14 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <23c9qi$1nd@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) wrote > >Ouch! Isn't this a bit steep for a news reader? Especially when >what you're basically paying for is the sexy GUI? I love >NewsGrazer, but I doubt if I would spend even $50 to use it instead >of rn, trn or nn. Well... maybe $50 :-) It's simple economics i'm afraid. The net at large want jayson to write a Newsreader. Preferably a threaded one. Now, Jayson is a very talented individual and he must see commercial gain from the effort required to take on such a task. I support him in his endeavour, let's be thankful he's writing one. -- Real programmers don't use Email they communicate with people.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sailer@atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Sender: news@hpuerca.atl.hp.com ( News admin) Message-ID: <CB3BzJ.25w@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 17:16:30 GMT Distribution: na References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> <23edot$pto@news.mic.ucla.edu> <chris.744171612@vincent2.iastate.edu> Organization: HP Atlanta Educational Services Organization POINTLESS BITCHING ABOUT PRICE DELETED Come on folks. $200 is at most four hours worth of your time (or will be when you graduate). I don't know anyone who can write a News Reader in 3 hours. I'd be surprised if you can even download one from the net and install it in three hours.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug1.040406.1714@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 04:04:06 GMT In article <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: > In article <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> > Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: > > Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of > > $199.95. > > Ouch! Isn't this a bit steep for a news reader? Especially when > what you're basically paying for is the sexy GUI? I love > NewsGrazer, but I doubt if I would spend even $50 to use it instead > of rn, trn or nn. Well... maybe $50 :-) > > They'd probably sell at least 4 times as many if they dropped their > price below $50... (hint) Well, this was a predictable response, wasn't it? Everyone has griped about "when will a new release of NewsGrazer be out" and "will NewsGrazer be ported to Intel?" for quite a while. Nobody stepped up to the plate and produced a free NS app for either platform. Now, when the company that everybody KNOWS can produce the product we've all been lusting for finally announces that they will do it, the price flames start within days of the announcement. Sheesh. Give 'em a break. If you can do a NS news reader that people would buy for $50, then more power to you. Go for it. You've got months of advance notice to corner the market before Millennium. It's so tiring to listen to the steak-appetite-with-a-hamburger-budget crowd give the same speech over and over ("they'd probably sell at least 4 times as many if they dropped their price below $50") Sure, and I'd like a $5,000 Lexus too. If it isn't worth $199 to you, tough. Use whatever you can come up with and be happy. Just for the record, I think in this case that you're completely wrong about them selling 4 times as many copies. The people who really want this product will buy it at whatever price. The pinch-penny crowd among us won't buy it at any price, no matter what they claim. John Bartley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug1.041546.1921@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <23ah60$nv4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 04:15:46 GMT In article <23ah60$nv4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > I think it's around $190 too steep. This seems to me to be another NS > app where someone wants big money for doing what other major GUI > environments have (and in some cases even NS has) for free. Another > app of this kind that shoots to my mind is LoadEye. NewsGrazer worth a whopping $9 huh? I agree with you on LoadEye, but if NewsGrazer and LoadEye seem to be comparable complexity apps in your eyes then I think you need some new glasses. For NG to be so valueless, it would have to be a snap to throw together and support. If that were the case then surely we would see lots of better versions to compete with it before now. That's not the case, and it leads me to the conclusion that maybe it's a tad more difficult to handle the demands of this app then you give credit for.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nrenich@netcom.com (Nathan J. Renich) Subject: Searching for Term App for NS/FIP 3.1 Message-ID: <nrenichCB3ILr.MJE@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 19:39:26 GMT I am looking for a Public Domain VT100 Terminal Emulator that supports the Zmodem transfer protocol. It needs to run under NeXTSTEP For Intel V3.1 I have tried to get IComm working but I don't think it works on an Intel CPU. Thank You for any information... Nathan Renich nrenich@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug1.192305.23740@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> <23edot$pto@news.mic.ucla.edu> <chris.744171612@vincent2.iastate.edu>,<CB3BzJ.25w@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 19:23:05 GMT In article <CB3BzJ.25w@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, sailer@atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) writes: >POINTLESS BITCHING ABOUT PRICE DELETED > > >Come on folks. $200 is at most four hours worth of your time (or will And $249 is the academic price for NSFIP. $200 for a newsreader is insane. Will there be an academic discount? Yeah, right $200 is 4 hours of a student's time. Tell ya what, I'll just travel into the future and borrow it from myself after I graduate. $50 an hour, x 40 hour week, x 50 weeks a year is $100,000 a year. Boy, and I'll be making this much within a reasonable amt of time after graduation? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the newsreader, that's capitalism. But this response ridiculous. >be when you graduate). I don't know anyone who can write a News Reader in >3 hours. I'd be surprised if you can even download one from the net >and install it in three hours. Tell ya' what--put up $200 and buy a copy, put it on your favorite FTP site, known only to us, and say go. If I can download it an install it in under an hour, it's mine. If not, I'll pay you the $200 and you have a free copy. Deal? A newsreader simply cannot be good enough to pay $200 for with the high-quality free newsreaders floating around out there. If pretty GUI sugar-coating is worth $200 to you, you're either rich or an idiot. Like I said, nobody is forcing anyone to buy it, but anyone who suggests that this would be a reasonable purchase for most of the people reading this group, when great newsreaders are free, a NSFIP-ready system costs $3000, and the academic deal on the OS itself is $249, has got something wrong with his head. -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: a caligraphic bug in NeXTTeX? Message-ID: <1993Aug1.204255.2772@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 20:42:55 GMT I find the following line $\cal{L} = {1 \over 2}$ differs from ${1 \over 2}$ gives me, for the first "1/2", an infinity sign over something that looks like an epsilon (but is probably the symbol made by "\in"). (This is either TeX or LaTeX.) Can someone confirm this? I am running 3.0 on black stuff. The workaround I am using is $\cal{L} = {\rm 1 \over 2}$ Dick Silbar
From: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Gray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: a caligraphic bug in NeXTTeX? Date: 1 Aug 1993 22:19:53 GMT Organization: Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX Message-ID: <23hfi9$gsa@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <1993Aug1.204255.2772@newshost.lanl.gov> In article <1993Aug1.204255.2772@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >I find the following line > $\cal{L} = {1 \over 2}$ differs from ${1 \over 2}$ >gives me, for the first "1/2", an infinity sign over something that >looks like an epsilon (but is probably the symbol made by "\in"). >(This is either TeX or LaTeX.) Can someone confirm this? > >I am running 3.0 on black stuff. The workaround I am using is > $\cal{L} = {\rm 1 \over 2}$ > Dick Silbar But ${\cal L} = {1 \over 2}$ differs from ${1 \over 2}$ works just fine. -- Rick Gray, Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx 77030 | Phone:(713)798-3346|Internet: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu NeXTMail accepted
From: mdd@zeke.Rockefeller.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: a caligraphic bug in NeXTTeX? Message-ID: <1993Aug1.174250.5254@rockyd.rockefeller.edu> Organization: Rockefeller University References: <1993Aug1.204255.2772@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 17:42:50 EDT In article <1993Aug1.204255.2772@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >I find the following line > > $\cal{L} = {1 \over 2}$ differs from ${1 \over 2}$ > >gives me, for the first "1/2", an infinity sign over something that looks like >an epsilon (but is probably the symbol made by "\in"). (This is either TeX or >LaTeX.) Can someone confirm this? > >I am running 3.0 on black stuff. The workaround I am using is > > $\cal{L} = {\rm 1 \over 2}$ > > Dick Silbar This is a mistake in your use of \cal. \cal should be used the same way as \rm, so the correct thing would be ${\cal L} = {1 \over 2}$. That way \cal only applies to the L instead of the whole equation. TeX questions probably should be put in comp.text.tex first since it is not NeXT specific. Cheers, Mark Doyle mdd@zeke.rockefeller.edu
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 1 Aug 1993 22:47:18 GMT Organization: Computer Science Undergrad Assoc., UC Berkeley Message-ID: <23hh5m$490@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> In article <9307290535.AA08078@seawolf.next.com> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: >Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP will have a suggested retail price of >$199.95. The product will ship during the fourth quarter of 1993 ^^^^^^^^ Ack. Anyone have gnus or trn up and running? $200 seems a little steep for a program which was formerly PD. (I don't have net connection for my machine yet, but I should get a slip link RSN) -- Nicholas C. Weaver perpetual ensign guppy nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing. Since C evolved out of B, and a C+ is close to a B, does that mean that C++ is a devolution of the language?
From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: Sun, 01 Aug 93 18:03:53 CDT Organization: University of Missouri Message-ID: <16C1DFE09.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> [Lots and lots of discussion deleted] Really folks, What you all don't realize is that NewsGrazer Pro will be like no other news reader available. NG Pro will read every newsgroup on the net, and through highly complex heuristic algorithms handled by the DSP (if you have a Motorola) or the joystick (if you have an Intel) will read your brainwaves to see if a particular post would interest you. Imagine! Never have to read another flame, bad joke, cross- post, or advocacy war again! In fact, you'd never have read this post! Sheesh! I'd spend my rent on a newsreader like this. 8^) Regards, David K. Drum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaya@trystero.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. Message-ID: <CB3qKt.8sI@trystero.com> Organization: The Trystero System (617) 625-7155 v.32/v.42bis References: <239ea7$r3k@umigw.miami.edu> <1993Jul29.202110.25015@crash> <1993Jul30.105112.17738@prim> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 22:31:32 GMT In article <1993Jul30.105112.17738@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >In article <1993Jul29.202110.25015@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >>Nope. I've had bad experience with NeXTWORLD magazine since issue number >>one. Absolutely incredible that they've never gotten their act together, >>after all these years! > >I wonder if any of these remarks will appear in their round-up of comments >from the net? :-) I can see it now... "There has been a lot of discussion about subscription problems with NeXTWORLD magazine. In the words of Dave Griffiths in the UK, "I wonder if any of these remarks will appear in their round-up of comments from the net? :-)" Well, it did. The complaints in the newsgroup have had a significant effect on the way our credit and circulation departments do business." Nah. I have never had a problem with my NeXTWORLD subscription. I was pleased by their switching to bi-monthly, then monthly. When there was an adverse reaction to the unbundling of EXTRA, they re-bundled it, with no 'gaps' in my issues. And to my pleasant surprise, they also kept my subscription at a full year when they switched to monthly (I subscribed when it was only quarterly) and sent me the 'extra' issues automatically. Mileage may vary, but I suspect the majority of less-vocal users have had good experiences with NeXTWORLD like I did. > >Dave Griffiths -- kaya bekiroglu >|< "Help! I'm trapped in a computer factory!" kaya@trystero.com <|> "Then hit the 'escape' key, you fool!"
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1288@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 2 Aug 93 00:13:14 GMT References: <23csh4$ojc@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Garance A. Drosehn writes > I don't think Jeff deserves the sarcasm of this post. What he says > is simply the truth: at $200 it is not likely that NewsGrazer Pro > will sell a lot of copies. This is true even though Jayson is > certainly a highly respected NeXT developer. Jeff is also telling > the truth when he says that many platforms have much cheaper > newsreader solutions available. Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely that NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for Millennium to decide. > Hmm, I guess I don't agree with him that NewsGrazer Pro needs to > be shareware, but it's got to be more affordable. It only has to be more affordable if you are going to buy it. It sounds like you don't have the money, so you'll just have to live without it. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1289@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 2 Aug 93 00:13:19 GMT References: <23csh4$ojc@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Aaaargh. If you don't want to buy a piece of software, DON'T BUY IT. It's as simple as that. Flaming people over price is one of the most frustrating, ridiculous, and aggravating things that happens on the net. Why hasn't anybody flamed the people who created TIMMS (Totally Integrated Medical Management System) who sells their product for $12,000? Why don't some arm-chair marketers say "the truth is, they sure aren't going to sell a lot of them, therefore the price is wrong." Come on, people. It's obvious that you WANT NewsGrazer Pro, or you wouldn't be complaining about the price. You haven't SEEN NewsGrazer Pro, so you don't know whether or not it's worth $200. And last, it is completely up to Millennium what they want to charge for their product. If you don't like the price, DON'T BUY IT. Don't flame poor Jayson for building a product and selling it. The situation is otherwise exactly the same as it has been (NewsGrazer still exists, you can still use it, and all the people who claim to be writing shareware newsreaders are still in vapor, naturally). It is a GOOD THING that Jayson has created NewsGrazer Pro (I think; I haven't seen it either :-). If you want it, buy it. If you don't want it, don't flame him. Software is not free. Software is not free. Software is not free. Software is not free. Sheesh. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SLIP server at BaNG Date: 2 Aug 1993 01:25:11 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <23hqdn$l28@news.acns.nwu.edu> Hi, I'll to Santa Clara near San Jose in a bout a month. I'm desperately seeking a SLIP server locally. I seem to remeber reading one of the benefits of joining BaNG is to get free SLIP connection. Could someone organizing the group verify this for me? or NeXT-Mail me any related material? Thanks a lot. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Processes limit in 3.1 solved? Date: 2 Aug 1993 02:12:17 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ht61INN21u@clem.handheld.com> Has anyone figured out the processes limit issue? I'm hitting the "no more processes" error more and more, lately. Hostinfo shows about 60 processes active, and 100 threads, when this happens. I can telnet back in as another user, and easily start new processes, so it seems to be a per-user limit. Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 1 Aug 1993 22:24:26 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <23htsq$10d@digifix.digifix.com> References: <1288@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Glenn Reid writes >Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like >the price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely >that NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for >Millennium to decide. Actually, no. Its up to the customer to decide whether or not they will buy it. The customer will decide if at $200 it will sell alot of copies or not. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 1 Aug 1993 22:39:39 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <23hupb$12p@digifix.digifix.com> References: <1289@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Glenn Reid writes > Why hasn't anybody flamed the people who created TIMMS (Totally Integrated > Medical Management System) who sells their product for $12,000? Why > don't some arm-chair marketers say "the truth is, they sure aren't going > to sell a lot of them, therefore the price is wrong." TIMMS sounds like a vertical product, that is going to make/save money for the companies that buy it. I would hardly say that a newsreader would fit that category. However, to be fair, Millennium is not the only company selling NEXTSTEP software at high prices. Yes the market is small. However, with NS/INTEL available, it has the chance to grow rather drastically. However, highly priced software is a deterrent to purchasing NEXTSTEP. I'm not saying we should be getting NewsGrazer Pro for free. Not by a long shot. Perhaps a threaded and non-threaded version? and how about one price across the board, no educational pricing for a nickel sort of a deal. Microphone is an excellent example. Its reasonably priced, and does alot more than your free unix alternatives. It has an excellent feature set, and to many people probably falls into the "want to buy" as opposed to "have-to-buy" category. Whatever the price, it is obvious that Newsgrazer Pro, with Jayson at the helm, is going to be an excellent product. I guess I'll just have to put that money that I was going to spend on Paste-Up aside and spend it when NG Pro ships! :-) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: SLIP server at BaNG Message-ID: <1993Aug2.025629.10240@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <23hqdn$l28@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 02:56:29 GMT In article <23hqdn$l28@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) writes: > I'll to Santa Clara near San Jose in a bout a month. I'm >desperately seeking a SLIP server locally. I seem to remeber reading one >of the benefits of joining BaNG is to get free SLIP connection. The Bay Area NeXT Group, Inc. offers many member benefits, but a free SLIP connection isn't one of them. BANG itself isn't even on the net; the IP address you see for BANG.ORG is completely bogus. (Perhaps you were thinking of GUN?) More info: BANG P.O. Box 368 Palo Alto, CA 94302 info@bang.org (415) 327-BANG -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Subject: Two simple questions Message-ID: <CB437v.65B@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 03:04:43 GMT Hi, the sys-admin of a local NeXTstation cluster asked me a couple of questions the other day which I was ashamed to admit I didn't know the answers to. Perhaps some kind person out there in netland can provide insight: 1) The AppleTalk support has been unbundled from 3.1 and given to a third party. Who is that third party and can someone provide contact information? 2) They're recently added a fancy fancy HP 600 dpi laserprinter to their set-up, but have been unable to get it to work properly. The sysadmin said something about "the PDF files don't seem to be right." Could someone who has gotten one of these puppies humming tell me what magic incantantion needs to be uttered? Thanks for any and all (non-flaming :) responses. Best --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: jeffblum@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jeffrey Robert Blum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: floppy drive and '030 board wanted Message-ID: <1993Aug2.034813.706@Princeton.EDU> Date: 2 Aug 93 03:48:13 GMT Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Originator: news@nimaster Hi! I am still looking for a floppy drive for my cube. I have no room left inside the cube, however, so am looking at my options. I can either buy an external scsi drive or an internal one with a separate case. If I buy another case, I can hopefully place other devices into it as well, cutting down the cost of buying a CD-ROM drive, another SCSI HD, etc. Has anyone used a PC case for such a purpose? Good/bad experiences or suggestions? I am thinking of a baby tower or some such box with a power supply. I know little about this, so don't even know if this is ffeasible/prudent. I also have an OD in the cube, which is useless since the 33Mhz 040 board (I believe) doesn't support the OD. If anyone is selling an 030 board *really* cheaply, I am considering purchasing one just to control the OD. Let me know if you have such a beast for sale. Thanks much! -jeff -- "His eyes were eggs of unstable crystal, vibrating with a frequency whose name was rain and the sound of trains, suddenly sprouting a humming forest of hair-fine glass spines." --Neuromancer
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 04:41:23 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23i5tj$bev@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1288@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > Garance A. Drosehn writes > > I don't think Jeff deserves the sarcasm of this post. What he says > > is simply the truth: at $200 it is not likely that NewsGrazer Pro > > will sell a lot of copies. This is true even though Jayson is > > certainly a highly respected NeXT developer. Jeff is also telling > > the truth when he says that many platforms have much cheaper > > newsreader solutions available. > > Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like the > price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely that > NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for Millennium > to decide. No, it's the customers who decide. I *might* buy it for $200 myself (if it's pretty snazzy), but as the president of a NeXT user's group I just wanted to pass along the observation that few of the NeXT users I know will buy it at that price. They just can't justify that expense for a newsreader. And on the topic of other platforms have more volume, is there *any* platform which has a news reader program that sells for $200? If so, could you tell me how well it's selling? I'd be honestly surprised if anyone is making any sales on a newsreader selling at that price. I'm not saying Millenium doesn't deserve a good return on their investment, I'm saying that few people I know will spend that kinda money on reading usenet... > > Hmm, I guess I don't agree with him that NewsGrazer Pro needs to > > be shareware, but it's got to be more affordable. > > It only has to be more affordable if you are going to buy it. > It sounds like you don't have the money, so you'll just have to > live without it. Well, I don't have the money right now, because I just faxed in an order for PasteUp, Concurrance, and Microphone Pro last week. I intend to buy the latest version of Executor before the end of August too. Sooner or later people do run out of money, and it's not because they are cheap tightwads who want a free lunch. By the time NG Pro is out I'll (hopefully!) have the money, but that doesn't mean I'm going to spend $200 on a newsreader instead of spending it on some other NeXT applications. Of course, the problem with (me) trying to debate this now is that the announcement came out so far ahead of the newsreader. For all I know it will be sharp enough that people will buy it at $200. I have always been quite favorably impressed with things that Jayson & company have worked on before, so I hope it is good enough to justify the price. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu) Subject: Looking for C-Kermit(5A)189 source/binary for NeXTSTEP v2.x Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 04:44:31 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1993Aug2.044431.23145@umr.edu> The subject says it all. Thanks!! --Eric -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: new mail app? Message-ID: <1993Aug1.184823.6970@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <23cano$a8l@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 18:48:23 GMT In article <23cano$a8l@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <CAzFHD.JDI@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) > writes: > > >Xexos Limited is working on a complete replacement for NeXTmail which > >supports Mime and has several other nice new features. (I've seen it in > >action, so not vaporware for me, but still is for you :) > > Will this have a documented API to encryption bundles? > It doesn't have to contain an encryption module itself, just a > documented mechanism to use one. > It has a complete API that allows you to replace or add-in mail modules, and address panels. I can't see us bunlding one, but the encryption module would (hopefully) be trivial. Mark -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 05:18:13 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23i82l$bto@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1289@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > Aaaargh. > > If you don't want to buy a piece of software, DON'T BUY IT. It's > as simple as that. Before I seem to be the leader of the opposition here, I should note that I do agree that we (as a community) need to put up or shut up on some of these issues. Either put up the $$$ for a product we want, or if we think the product should be a lot cheaper then we should put up the time to write our own program and make *that* available at (what we would call) the "fair" price. > Flaming people over price is one of the most frustrating, ridiculous, > and aggravating things that happens on the net. I, for one, have been trying hard not to seem like I'm just flaming away. I don't believe anyone at Millenium deserves a mindless flame about this. That does not change my disappointment at the price. For a long time I've wanted to see NewsGrazer (or a follow-on to it) officially supported, so I was very excited when I saw the header announcing NewsGrazer Pro. My disappointment at the price was so profound that I just could not help but express it. > Why hasn't anybody flamed the people who created TIMMS (Totally Integrated > Medical Management System) who sells their product for $12,000? Why > don't some arm-chair marketers say "the truth is, they sure aren't going > to sell a lot of them, therefore the price is wrong." Bad analogy. The people who buy something like TIMMS will make money off of application, as it provides something that no other software package provides. Most people who are reading news are just using up time by it, and not making money (this accounts for the signal-to-noise ratio...). What's more, there are lots of alternative ways to read news, and it's not clear that anyone will make (or save) lots of money based on NG-Pro over those alternatives. > Come on, people. It's obvious that you WANT NewsGrazer Pro, or > you wouldn't be complaining about the price. You haven't SEEN > NewsGrazer Pro, so you don't know whether or not it's worth $200. People want a solution for usenet news which works as well as Mail.app does for mail, granted. We also don't know what we're talking about, as NG #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Path: informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!fauern!xlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!nugget.rmNUG.ORG!nugget.rmNUG.ORG!rlove From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug2.053827.8358@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <23c9qi$1nd@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 05:38:27 GMT Lines: 20 In article <23c9qi$1nd@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > > It's simple economics i'm afraid. The net at large want jayson to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Lets remember the economics that Phillipe Kahn used. At at time when PC editors cost in excess of $100 he offered a Pascal compiler with an editor/environment built in. All for $50. His company's next tool was also $50. The numbers he sold had to be large but now that NSIntel is available hopefully Next authors will see larger sales and can sell at smaller unit costs. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 13:16:11 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <23j42s$34n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <23csh4$ojc@usenet.rpi.edu> <1288@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <CB4E30.DF5@utstat.toronto.edu> Philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) wrote... >In article <1288@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >> >>Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like the >>price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely that >>NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for Millennium to >>decide. > >Without commenting on NG's value (I've never used it), I am somewhat uneasy >at your indirect implication that a low volume platform means higher priced >software. It would seem to me that software it, in general, dropping in >price on a number of platforms. A low volume platform with high priced >software will always remain a low volume platform. Is this what one wants? Here, here! I spent my years before I got my NeXT on the Atari ST. Hey, don't laugh! It was a good computer, made by yet another company who couldn't market their hardware it they *gave* it away. The Atari was most definitely a low volume platform if ever there was one, yet the price for the third party software was no where near the prices that many NeXT developers charge. Now I agree with many people on the net that I'm willing to spend the money for a piece of software that's worth the money. But when there are umpteen different newsreaders out there that are either free or very low in cost, I couldn't see spending $200 for a commercial one unless it was as revolutionary a newsreader as NEXTSTEP is an OS. That could happen. But I think that it would have been a better decision for all involved if they had held off on the price/availability announcement until the product was almost ready to ship. That way potential customers could have seen what they'd be getting for this rather large outlay of money. All the above is IMO, of course. Just adding some more gasoline to the flames. Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred /\ | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""/ \"" \_/OE | \EISS | Dedicated to the man who helped plot our ( ) `---- | course through the future ... Walter Koenig \/ V
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NSFIP folks w/scsi controllers Message-ID: <1993Aug1.214914.7681@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 21:49:14 GMT In article <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu writes: > [Must I disable the separate floppy disk controller on my SCSI adapter?] Not necessarily. I've seen it work fine, but it's not officially supported in 3.1. > (I am assuming that my 1742 will work in 1542 compat. mode... It definitely will NOT, due to a bug in Adaptec's firmware. You will need to wait for 3.2. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) Subject: NS 3.1 Intel & Adaptec Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 15:57:20 GMT Message-ID: <CB52zK.ECD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Is there a driver available for the Adaptec 1422 SCSI controller? I have been able to get the 1452B to work just fine with the driver that was included with the system, but was dissappointed to find that only one SCSI Host Adapter is currently supported. -- =============================================================================== Hector Mandel, CHP (217) 244-7237 |E-mail: h-mandel@uiuc.edu Head, Health Physics Section |Snail mail: 101 S. Gregory St. Division of environmental Health and Safety | Urbana, IL 61801 ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <CB4yo6.7C4@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <CB4E30.DF5@utstat.toronto.edu> <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 14:24:08 GMT In juggling, it's often that there are two classes of tricks: those that look hard and are easy, and those that look easy and hard. The easiest way for an aspiring juggler to find out the particulars of a particular trick is to try it! --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 11:29:08 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9308021539.AA09680@tech.mis.cfc.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <CB3BzJ.25w@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> sailer@atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) wrote: > POINTLESS BITCHING ABOUT PRICE DELETED > > > Come on folks. $200 is at most four hours worth of your time (or will > be when you graduate). I don't know anyone who can write a News Reader in > 3 hours. I'd be surprised if you can even download one from the net > and install it in three hours. By what stretch of the imagination to you think graduates are getting $100K/yr ($50/hr x 40 hrs X 50 weeks/yr) right out of college?!? I know I haven't attained that level. (But I think I'm doing rather well, IMNSHO.) Given the starting salaries of a couple friends who just graduated that's more like 12-15 hours. Still not enough time to write a newsreader, but that's not my point. Hell, Mitch McDeere (in "The Firm") didn't even get $100K! One question for everyone: How much would you pay for a bug-free NewsGrazer clone? (i.e. something without all the bells-and-whistles that will be in NG Pro) Todd P.S. I could download and install a newsreader in under an hour, easy. Does that make me special? -- Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - Chrysler Financial, Centerline, MI "Life is a diamond we turn into dust..." - Rush
From: npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWOR Date: 2 Aug 1993 16:41:01 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <23jg2t$lja@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <69852@mimsy.umd.edu> With all the NeXTWORLD bashing in this thread, I finally just *had* to respond. I have always had GOOD luck with my NeXTWORLD subscription!!! The only glitch in my subscription turned out to be (partly) my fault-- I had simply let the subscription lapse, but didn't realize it. When I called them about it, they sent me the missing issue FREE. I also re-subscribed at that time. I said "partly" my fault in the above paragraph, because I never received official notification from NeXTWORLD that my subscription had lapsed, which any good business person would tell you they should have done. Nevin
From: hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Encryption in Workspace.app Date: 2 Aug 1993 13:13:48 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ji0c$7il@access.digex.net> References: <233so0$ek@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <2343qp$2ls@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <deluxe-290793163347@17.220.88.2> In article <deluxe-290793163347@17.220.88.2> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: > >Unfortunately, Apple may have the first fully-integrated encryption system, >built into their AOCE environment, slated for release later this year. One >more case where NeXT pioneers an idea, with the best implementation (too >good in this case), yet someone else will probably get all the credit. Oh come on gimme a break. Are you claiming that Apple STOLE ideas or technology from NeXT? AOCE has been in the works for YEARS and exncryption integrated with workgroup software is no big innovation. Apple gets the credit due. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lscheer@netcom.com (Lyle Scheer) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <lscheerCB5667.G3y@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <23csh4$ojc@usenet.rpi.edu> <1289@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 17:06:06 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: [much of a rant which, IMHO is a proper rant] >If you want it, buy it. If you don't want it, don't flame him. Personally, I don't think it's wrong to write letters encouraging him to sell it at a lower price. I merely think that a polite letter would work better than a flame, and I DO believe that a volume of letters would speak louder than just one. But posting on the net is silly and wastes bandwidth. Keep it to e-mail, folks. Tell them what price would get you to buy it. Ask for educational discounts. Heck, you could even ask for freebees, but I doubt you'd get it. Oh yeah, I also saw someone respond to this thread complaining about having to pay for a product that was once public domain. To my knowledge, NewsGrazer was never public domain. I believe it was a NeXT internal app, or at least one that NeXT did not want to release the rights to while Jayson was working for them. I believe it was distributed on the sly as it were, with NeXT not wanting to squash third party developer's chances while also seeing the value of a good program. >Software is not free. Software is not free. Software is not free. >Software is not free. SOME software is not free. - Lyle
From: jbrierre@telenet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! eps attachment in mail. Message-ID: <1955@telenet.telenet.com> Date: 2 Aug 93 15:00:03 GMT Sender: news@telenet.com Distribution: usa Does anyone out there know whether a .eps file can be dragged onto the mail window and be displayed as an icon? I could swear I have received mail with such attachment, but when I drag an eps file onto the compose window it *displays* instead of remaining an icon. If that does not work, is there a way to do this? Thanks. Jacques Brierre Alcatel Data Networks 703-689-6511 rainbow!jbrierre@telenet.com
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What program would generate these errors? Date: 2 Aug 1993 17:49:15 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <23jk2r$o8n@hub.ucsb.edu> The following series of error messages just showed up in my console: Deroff: dbadata.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbadlen.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbaltbind.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbbind.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbcollen.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbcolname.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbcoltype.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbconvert.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbdata.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbdatlen.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dberrhandle.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbgetoff.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dblogin.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbmsghandle.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbnextrow.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbnumcols.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbopen.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbresults.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbsetuserdata.ex: No such file or directory Deroff: dbsqlexec.ex: No such file or directory What might have caused these, and what is their significance? Thanks. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Looking for that Turbo ND summary article... Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 17:54:37 GMT Message-ID: <CB58F1.Hqx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NreXT, NeXTdimension, summaries Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Help! I'm sure I'm not losing my mind; I read a fine summary article about the Turbo NeXTdimensions in one of the NeXT newsgroups and now I can't find it! (Probably the only article in weeks I haven't saved, too.) Will the author, or some other kind soul, please e-mail me this item? Thanx!! Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <18536@news.duke.edu> Date: 2 Aug 93 13:18:31 GMT References: <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: na Wow, I never saw so many comments on a software package's worth (or lack of it) before it was ever seen in action! (Except maybe for Windoze NT...) It seems to me that Jayson and company are pretty smart folks, so if they were producing just another NewsGrazer they'd know it and price it accordingly. They obviously feel they've got something substantially better. Let's take a look at it before we judge the price too harshly. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ZyXEL upgrade? Date: 2 Aug 1993 08:28:25 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <23ij79$109@localhost.dk> Keywords: Eproms Hi World I ve got a ZyXEL U1496E,which works ok most of the time, but once in a while it fails me in strange. I ve been recommended to upgrade the eproms inside to a newer version, since mine is version 4.09h. Did anyone of you upgrade, and if so, how did you go about it, did you email the ZyXEL Corporation, and if, do you have an email address, that I can use? Or did you purchase the eproms from some retailer, and if so, could you let me have an address or a phone number? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards Michael PS. Email me if you like that better! --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 _____________________________________________
From: davef@cs.ubc.ca (David Finkelstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 11:58:27 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <23jo4jINN6k7@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> References: <23c9qi$1nd@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1993Aug2.053827.8358@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In article <1993Aug2.053827.8358@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) writes: >Lets remember the economics that Phillipe Kahn used. At at time when PC >editors cost in excess of $100 he offered a Pascal compiler with an >editor/environment built in. All for $50. His company's next tool was >also $50. The numbers he sold had to be large but now that NSIntel is >available hopefully Next authors will see larger sales and can sell at >smaller unit costs. Phillipe Kahn and Borland are not quite a good example to use, I'm afraid. True, he was pissing off Bill Gates because he was selling software for such a low price (and Gates felt that the market could support a higher price). But back when some of Borland's "high-end" products were selling for $99, Kahn did some market research and discovered that a number of people were not buying his products, even though they compared favorably to products which were much more expensive, simply because they were so cheap. Many people in the mass market have the impression that greater cost == better product, and Kahn found that he was actually *hurting* his sales by being so inexpensive. Now I'm not saying that everyone (or even anyone) here on the net believes that with software you get what you pay for. But the list price of a product does more than simply indicate what the seller wants in exchange for the product, it also positions the product among its counterparts from other vendors. --- David --------------------------------------------------------------------- David Finkelstein |"Nothing comes out of the faucet University of British Columbia | but strawberry jelly. I guess davef@cs.ubc.ca | that's how rich millionaires live."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jds@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Subject: Can't install Perl Message-ID: <CB5BuB.7yI@netnews.jhuapl.edu> Sender: usenet@netnews.jhuapl.edu Organization: Johns Hopkins U. Applied Physics Lab Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:08:34 GMT Thanks to everyone who reponded on the config.sh needed to get perl to compile under 3.1 but now I can't get it to install. I gets the the find2perl installation and then gets a Segmentation Faults and dies. Perl compiled fine and pasted all the test, except there was some error or warning about null terminated strings in one of the first test but it still reported that it past all the tests. I tried to comment out some stuff in installperl script but it still dies. Has anyone else seen this behavoir? -- ---------------------------------------------------- Otto "Apes don't read philoshpy" Wanda "Yes they do, they just don't understand it" ----------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next,marketplace From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam) Subject: Cary, NC, Full Time Permanent: SQL, EDI, Systems Integration Message-ID: <1993Aug2.185056.245@glv.uucp> Keywords: Sybase, Next, VMS, 3gl, 4gl, OOPS Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 18:50:56 GMT Encompass, a well funded startup backed by two fortune 100 companies is in the business of providing logistics solutions to major international corporations. We're located in Cary, NC. (Town slogan: A nice place to raise a family. No kidding.) Our group uses an in-house developed application, on the NeXT, to develop gateways between our software and other systems. We make extensive use of NeXT workstations, VAX's, and next generation client-server applications. Our team is small, matrixed, and high performance: we're pushing process, procedure, and technology to deliver quality product quickly. This is not for the faint of heart: there is a lot of visibility inherent in this job. You must: 1> Learn quickly 2> Write SQL easily- a few years experience, preferably Sybase 3> Deal with Unix and VMS - good user knowledge is essential - programming is a plus 4> Work easily with large databases - lots of tables and data - very complex data model 5> Have past programming experience in a structured 3gl - C, Pascal, ... This isn't a programming position but you have to be able to think like a programmer to function around here! 6> Have past programming experience in a 4gl - Uniface, Progress, ... You won't be coding in a 4gl, but you should be familiar with the issues you'll be facing 7> Have hotshot analysis skills - 'nuff said! 8> Want to have (IMHO) the best workstation in the world on your desk! I'd like: 1> Good sense of humor - obviously! 2> Ability to work under pressure without losing temper (too often :-) 3> Some experience with integration: vague requirements, floating customer expectations,.... 4> OOPS would be nice - our application is written in Objective-C on the NeXT 5> Some exposure to large scale systems architecture. 6> Some knowledge of EDI - please at least know what the initials mean before calling! Please call (collect is ok), e-mail, or fax and I'll be glad to tell you more about our company and what we do. I can handle NeXT mail, eps, frame,.... PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING POINTS: - This is a potential job opening: it has not been "signed off" yet! - All resumes go to our HR department as soon as I get 'em - All resumes will be acknowledged by our HR department - Encompass is an equal opportunity employer - You may snail mail resumes to: Encompass 113 Edinburgh South Cary, NC 27511 [This isn't a 'blessed by Human Resources' posting.] [If I make any boo-boos it's my fault, etc.... ] -- James "Cliff" Elam | jcelam%witsend@glv.com - NeXT mail! (919) 460-3240 (v,w) | NeXTStep/Intel + IB + DBKit @ $295 ! (919) 460-3295 (fax) | All I want to do is go home now, please.
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Date: 2 Aug 1993 19:09:00 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <23joocINNsjo@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> <CAvrGy.5ow@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> >> We will >not< use a version of gzip that >> isn't shipped as part of a NeXT software release to ensure >> compatibility with the widest audience. The latest gzip (1.2.3) is compatible (in both directions) with the gzip that comes with 3.1 (1.0.7?), except that the older gzip does not automatically recognize the .gz extension. However, the usual usage with tar does not depend on that anyway, so: gzip -dc blah.tar.gz | tar xvf - will work with any version of gzip (so far), and data compressed by the newest gzip can be decompressed by the oldest gzip. There has been no change whatsoever in the compressed data format. For that matter, the compression hasn't changed over the gzip versions either-- gzip -9 will give you the same compression for any version. That may change someday, but you can still have decompresser backwards compatibility. If what you're saying is that you will only use the .z extension instead of .gz because of the version of gzip that comes with 3.1, that's really not necessary. I don't particularily care myself (I actually like the appearance of the .z extension better anyway), but any gzip as a decompression filter doesn't care what the extension is. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Message-ID: <1993Aug2.143956.23352@kynug.org> Date: 2 Aug 93 14:39:56 GMT References: <1993Jul25.182309.27800@chiton.ucsd.edu> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. In article <1993Jul25.182309.27800@chiton.ucsd.edu> cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) writes: > In article <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > >What happened to the drive to buy some additional disk capacity for nova? > > > >If 50 people contributed $20 apiece that would buy a used 1 GB drive. > > It would even buy a new 1GB drive. I have one sitting on my desktop right now. > > Where do I go to make my contribution? This might be late, but I would contribute $20 to the cause. Hey, would that be tax deductable? :-) To those of you at nova, keep us informed. Good Luck! -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 14:39:08 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93214.143908CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.multimedia Subject: HELP: Mastering a ISO9660 CD-ROM Colleagues: Could someone please advise me on how to go about creating a CD ROM from the ground up (including collecting information into a file structure) in ISo9660 format (for use on Mac, PC, Unix-SUN,SGI,NeXT). I have many technical papers hwhich I would like to scan in as bitmaps and an associated keyword index. I would like to find a method of scanning this stuff in to a cross-platform format... be it postscript or multi-page tiff. Any suggestions for cross-platform programs to view such bitmaps would be greatly appreciated. I also need assistance or advice on whom I may contact about mastering the whole thin in ISO format. ---Masud.
From: eike@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eike Dierks) Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail Subject: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! Date: 2 Aug 1993 19:57:03 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: Germany Message-ID: <23jrif$r0s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Frohe Nachrichten ! Die 600kB Mail Grenze isionen mit den Mail Administratoren des Deutschen EUNet Knotens (vormals UNIDO) hatte, konnte ich Sie scheinbar endgueltig von der Ueberholtheit der 600k Mailgroessengrenze ueberzeugen. Also auf zum froehlichen multimedia mailen ! Begin forwarded message: To: Eike Dierks <eike@ilink.de> Subject: Re: 600000 bytes max In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jul 1993 22:06:48 +0200." <199307292006.AA04412@edgun> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1993 09:22:19 +0200 From: EUnet mail <mail@mail.germany.eu.net> Hallo! > Besten Dank fuer die prompte Antwort, und viel Spass mit > diesem bestimmt bis zu seine Beseitigung noch oft > auftretenden Problem. Wir koennten ja mal 'ne kleine privat > Wette abschliessen, wie lange sich diese Grenze noch haelt > (aber ich wette nicht) Glueck gehabt, die Wette haette ich verloren. Nach kurzer Diskussion mit meinen Kollegen, haben wir uns dazu entschlossen auch die groessen Beschraenkung fuer uucp-Mail abzuschaffen. Ich bin mal gespannt, wann die erste beschwerde kommt... MfG Sabine Gorontzi === ____ === EUnet Deutschland GmbH === / / / ___ ___ _/_ === Mail-Support === /---- / / / / /___/ / === Emil-Figge-Str. 80 === /____ /___/ / / /___ / === D-44227 Dortmund, Germany ===== ===== Tel. +49 231 972 2222 ===== Connecting Europe since 1982 ===== Fax +49 231 972 1111
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to subscribe to ElectronicAppWraper? Date: 2 Aug 1993 19:50:42 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <23jr6i$jbm@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, How could I subscribe to ElectronicAppWrapper? Also, what NeXT magazines are there besides NeXTWORLD? Would they bring back NeXT On Campus?? Thanks.
From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 19:57:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <23jrjb$4u0@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> References: <23i5tj$bev@usenet.rpi.edu> Regarging NewsGrazer Pro's $200 price tag: > glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > > That's for Millennium to decide. Garance A. Drosehn writes > No, it's the customers who decide. I *might* buy it for $200 myself Economics 101: Equilibrium price is a function of supply AND demand. Millennium will attempt to maximize their profit, and rightly so. End of story. Glenn Reid writes: >Flaming people over price is one of the most frustrating, ridiculous, >and aggravating things that happens on the net. Mmmm. I'd say that the flamers are, in their own way, informing NEXTSTEP developers that there is significant demand for a competing news reader priced under $200, and are, therefore, playing a critical role in the software market. =-) I agree with the words 'frustrating' and 'aggravating', however. --Glenn Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Subject: Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD. NOT! Message-ID: <23jqvc$41p@wa3ymh.transsys.com> Sender: usenet@grebyn.com Organization: TransSys, Inc. References: <239ea7$r3k@umigw.miami.edu> <1993Jul29.202110.25015@crash> <1993Jul30.105112.17738@prim> <CB3qKt.8sI@trystero.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:46:52 GMT >>I wonder if any of these remarks will appear in their round-up of comments >>from the net? :-) > >I can see it now... Oh, no you can't! Be careful what you wish for, or those idiots may visit upon you the same stupid thing they did to me. Waaaay back when, when NeXT and NeXTWORLD was new, I posted a note to the net saying that I had finally got a copy of NeXTWORLD magazine, and much to my amazement, had actually found some information in there that I hadn't already heard of somewhere else. High praise, indeed, for a journal claiming to cover the NeXT market exclusively. Much to my surprise and amusement, an excerpt of my posting appeared as a "letter to the editor" in a subsequent issue of the magazine. We all got a chuckle from this, since they had missed the sarcasm in my original posting. Then, much later, I find that a paraphrased excerpt of my misquoted posting, incorrect attributed as a "letter to the editor" appeared on solicitations for magazine subcriptions as an "endorsement"! I was, needless to say, REALLY pissed off that they had used my (good, I hope) name to endorse their publication without my permission. I finally managed to get someone to call me back after many angry email messages, phone messages. They claimed that they had just gone to their "letter to editor" file, and used that material. They said that letters to the editor became the property of the magazine. While I have no disagreement with this, I pointed out they I had not, in fact, EVER sent them a "letter to the editor." They really didn't have a good answer for that. I asked them to immediately cease and desist using my name in that matter, but they claimed they had already printed up all these envelopes... I was left with taking legal action against them, but this didn't seem like a productive approach given what lawyers cost these days, and the fact that I considered that I might actually have to advertise with those *()@%@ people in the future. -- Louis A. Mamakos TransSys, Inc.
From: mek@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Matt Kimmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to autolaunch CDPlayer when audio CD inserted? Date: 2 Aug 1993 14:45:25 -0400 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <23jnc5INN8ue@twain.ucs.umass.edu> Hi, I recently bought a used NeXTcube, which came with NS3.0 installed. I attached an Apple CD300 CD-ROM drive to it, and found that when I inserted an audio CD, the CDPlayer app launched automatically. Then I re-installed NS3.0 from scratch, including the Demonstration package (i.e. the CDPlayer app and the cdaudio.fs stuff), and CDPlayer will now no longer autolaunch as before. When I insert an audio CD, it gets ejected (after a bit of disk activity) and in console.log I get "cdaudio.util: could not open CDPlayer". I've tried making symlinks to /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer in some obvious places (/LocalLibrary and /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs), but nothing works. How do I get autolaunching of CDPlayer to work again?? Thanks! -Matt -- Matt Kimmel Networking Assistant Univ. of Mass. E-mail: kimmel@nic.umass.edu Phone: (413) 545-2690
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <1993Aug2.193740.5601@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:37:40 GMT Glenn's post was remarkably well put (not that that's unusual). Something that it hints at that bears further examination is that the NEXTSTEP third-party market has a severe multiple-personality disorder. It makes marketing and pricing products extremely difficult. It's not just that the market is small. If that were the case this would be an easier issue. The truth is that there are three main markets: 1) Traditional individual end-users 2) Educational/academic/hacker end-users 3) Corporiate purchasers Attempting to market a product well into these three areas when each is relatively small is no easy chore. I'd invite the critics to try it. Market 1 is actually QUITE small. We (and many other small developers) think we address this market with our products about as well as we can. We offer decent value for the money, run appropriate advertising and have all the trappings of a small company selling into the similar but significantly larger Mac market. Problem is there are really only 10,000 or so people in this market. You do the math. I'd love for this market to be larger. Market 2 is perhaps smaller than Market 1. They have different needs and clearly different purchasing resources. Some people in this group feel software should do everything, come with source code and be really inexpensive. That makes perfect sense, but is difficult to achieve. Sharing one copy of a product amongst 10-50 users is commonplace. Some small companies have addressed this market by offering extreme discounts on their products. Market 3 is going to be the largest market for NEXTSTEP 3rd party apps for some time to come - possibly forever. One sale into this market can eclipse ALL the revenue made in the others. Problem is the needs are different again, both in terms of product content and marketing. The thing that makes this weird in the NEXTSTEP arena is the almost "phantom" traditional individual end-user market. We have a glossy NeXTWORLD magazine that we need to advertise in for exposure. I'd guess that the sales resulting from these ads barely offset the cost of the ads themselves for many 3rd party developers. And now that NeXTWORLD is monthly, this will get even more expensive. But the impact to the MAIN NEXTSTEP MARKET is nearly tengential. Very strange. Products are reviewed in this magazine, typically by people that belong to the academic/hacker merket. So you have hackers (who love UNIX) reviewing what appear to be shrink-wrap products for a phantom end-user market so that corporate purchasers will determine which products to by in large quantities. Truly amazing. The only thing this strange is what the SGI arena will start to look like in 12-18 months. We have a very bizzare little arena here folks. The good news is that we all love the technology dearly, and nifty products are being produced as a result. The bad news is that there is no one solution to product pricing and marketing that will satisfy all the players. Selling software at bargain basement prices isn't the answer. Neither is selling it at workstation prices (side note: I'd love to see what would happen if a 3rd party developer attempted to price a product along SGI product curves). There are a few people that have developed winning combinations (Mesa being a prime example), but there really aren't many. Please show some patience while we all try to make this a viable proposition, and recognize that this isn't nearly as clear-cut as it may appear from your position. Regards, Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Subject: Re: Looking for C-Kermit(5A)189 source/binary for NeXTSTEP v2.x In-Reply-To: jlu@cs.umr.edu's message of Mon, 2 Aug 1993 04:44:31 GMT Message-ID: <BHILL.93Aug2135038@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA References: <1993Aug2.044431.23145@umr.edu> Date: 2 Aug 93 13:50:38 Kermit 5A 189 can be obtained from watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Since there are a slew of files to find in various directories, it is easier to get kermit 5A 188 from cs.orst.edu:pub/next/binaries/comm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: Re: NSFIP folks w/scsi controllers Message-ID: <1993Aug2.210813.25776@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans References: <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu>,<1993Aug1.214914.7681@BlueRose.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 21:08:13 GMT In article <1993Aug1.214914.7681@BlueRose.com>, m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1993Jul31.205949.15774@cs.uno.edu> cajho@uno.edu writes: >> [Must I disable the separate floppy disk controller on my SCSI adapter?] >Not necessarily. I've seen it work fine, but it's not officially supported >in 3.1. > >> (I am assuming that my 1742 will work in 1542 compat. mode... >It definitely will NOT, due to a bug in Adaptec's firmware. You will need >to wait for 3.2. Ah, thanks for the info. Anyone know if the floppy controller on the 1742 will be supported in 3.2? > >M Carling >President, Bay Area NeXT Group -- Craig Johnston | Cavitas in dentibus facimus! cajho@uno.edu | Cavitas in dentibus facimus!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Hermann Marketing - NeXT merchandise Message-ID: <1993Aug2.214250.14006@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 21:42:50 GMT Just thought I'd pass along a few editorial comments about the new vendor NeXT has chosen for promotional merchandise. Shortly after the Expo, I ordered a bunch of stuff from them - some in small quantities just to sample the quality. The results have been somewhat surprising. It has taken until today to fulfill my entire order, which I suppose isn't all that bad - about 8 weeks or so (after all, NeXT took 4 months to ship my CD ROM drives.) It was split up into four different shipments that seemed to arrive every couple of weeks or so, which makes it difficult to keep track of what has been received and what is on order. Naturally there is more shipping cost, although I haven't checked to see if I had to pay it myself or not (possibly not.) I ordered the NeXT coffee mugs and discovered that they were "discontinued." Makes me wonder if they had to be "continued" before they could be discontinued! Does anyone actually have any of the white mugs with color logo? The Koozie MiniSport is OK as a can wrap, but too small to be of much value otherwise. The new NeXTSTEP T-shirts are also OK. Today's shipment brought the biggest rip-off/disappointment though. I ordered one NeXT baseball hat to see what it would look like. Sheeesh. If you want to look like "Floyd R. Turbow, American" (as featured on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson over the years) feel free to buy one of these gems. Pure junk, and shaped in such a way that one can't help looking like an idiot when wearing it! :-) Even the stitching is low quality. The material is not what you might typically expect to find in a "baseball cap." Sort of a cheap, thin, cotton-polyester blend that looks awful. Save your money on this turkey. My favorite is the combo highlighter/pen. Black, with a white NeXT logo. I've given away a couple of dozen so far. Just my $.02 worth. John Bartley
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 21:40:08 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <23k1jo$4ig@hermes.athena.com> References: <23htsq$10d@digifix.digifix.com> In article <23htsq$10d@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Glenn Reid writes > >Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like > >the price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely > >that NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for > >Millennium to decide. > > Actually, no. Its up to the customer to decide whether or not > they will buy it. The customer will decide if at $200 it will sell alot of > copies or not. > > Pricing models for software are very difficult to develop. The NEXTSTEP community is an especially difficult marketplace. Because it is so small, very few of the fixed costs associated with writing software can be recovered unless the price per copy is very high. This is aggravated be a limited set of people in the community that will pay virtually anything for tools that do the right job. I'm sure that there are 2 or 3 large sites that will by 250+ copies of NG/Pro. There are a lot of students who will be using rn on their NS/Intel boxes. So Millennium is in a bind. If they price NG/Pro for the masses ($49 or so), they will lose the cash that they would have made from the sites that will write the check. On the other hand, the current pricing model is clearly designed to exact the largest amount of money from the larger NEXTSTEP customers and may result in more profits for Millennium (which is good! The more NS developers there are who make money, the more developers there will be who are enticed to create great apps, and ultimately, the NS users win.) With all that said, best of luck to Scott and Jayson. They have created a cool product (Notebook), and they should benefit from the hard work that went into its development. If they have developed a pricing model that will help them continue to develop cool apps, then it is a good thing. David
Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail From: heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) Subject: Re: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! Message-ID: <OIYFBCFR@math.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany References: <23jrif$r0s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Distribution: Germany Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 22:35:19 GMT eike@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eike Dierks) writes: >Frohe Nachrichten ! > >Die 600kB Mail Grenze isionen mit den Mail Administratoren >des Deutschen EUNet Knotens (vormals UNIDO) hatte, konnte ich >Sie scheinbar endgueltig von der Ueberholtheit der 600k >Mailgroessengrenze ueberzeugen. > >Also auf zum froehlichen multimedia mailen ! Wobei hoffentlich jedem klar ist, dass es grober Unfug ist, Mails dieser Groessenordnung ueber WiN-, Transatlantik- oder UUCP-Leitungen zu schicken! Tschuess, Vera -- |~| Vera Heinau | Freie Universitaet Berlin / \ heinau@Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE | Institut fuer Kristallographie /FUB\ | Takustrasse 6 `---' | D-14195 Berlin Germany
From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! eps attachment in mail. Date: 2 Aug 1993 22:46:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research Distribution: usa Message-ID: <23k5gb$8jm@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> References: <1955@telenet.telenet.com> jbrierre@telenet.com writes > Does anyone out there know whether a .eps file can be dragged onto the mail > window and be displayed as an icon? You can put the eps file in a folder and include the folder. You should even be able to put a .dir.tiff in the folder to make the folder have any icon you want. I know of no other way. --Glenn
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 02 Aug 1993 23:02:21 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.93Aug2160221@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <SOWA.93Jul30122428@amdew.llnl.gov> <CB0KI6.H0z@news.iastate.edu> In-reply-to: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov's message of Sat, 31 Jul 1993 05:27:41 GMT >>>>> "tlm" == Dr. T. L. Marchioro II <tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov> writes: tlm> As for command line mail, get ELM from Jess Anderson's FTP site and make tlm> your active.mbox one of the available folders. A perfect way to log in tlm> remotely and access ASCII mail, and far better than adding a slow feature tlm> (see Carl Edman's related post) to Mail.app command line? what's that? I have emacs on all the systems I dial up from a terminal window. Emacs for mail, emacs for news, emacs for anonymous ftp access, all at the same time if I need it that way. *That*'s the perfect way to log in remotely and read mail and all that other stuff. It works the same standard way on all my platforms. It's funny: I've moved nearly everthing I do over to my NeXT. Even compiling/running stuff directly on my RISC workstation I do through a Terminal window. But not Mail or News. There is as yet no compelling advantage to switch from the way I am doing it now, especially considering the remote access issue. As for mh's system of one file per message, I do find that convenient for some purposes and can live with the storage wastage. I have yet to cross the volume threshold that Carl has encountered. Isn't it great that there are so many choices for mail handling systems? :-) -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Which of the following .NeXT dir files are obsolete? Date: 2 Aug 1993 22:56:26 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <23k62q$6bv@hub.ucsb.edu> Under NeXT OS 3.1, which if any of the following files are obsolete, assuming that all my machines are black NeXTs running 3.1? -rw-r--r-- 1 root 8192 Jul 30 10:44 .NeXTdefaults.L -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 790 Jul 30 10:44 defaults3_1.wmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7054 Jul 30 10:39 suffixes3_1.m68k.wmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 22439 Jul 30 10:39 apps3_0.wmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7877 Jul 30 09:34 suffixes3_0.wmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 0 Dec 13 1992 ConsoleFilter -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 237 Dec 11 1992 .dir.wmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 797 Dec 11 1992 defaults.wmd -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11197 Dec 11 1992 appcache.wmd -r--r--r-- 1 root 758 Sep 21 1991 defaults3_0.wmd -rw-r--r-- 1 root 20 Feb 19 1991 .NeXTdefaults.D Thanks. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <SPETERS.93Aug2155249@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: 2 Aug 93 22:52:49 GMT References: <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Aug2.193740.5601@metrosoft.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA In-Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com's message of Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:37:40 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <1993Aug2.193740.5601@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: > Glenn's post was remarkably well put (not that that's unusual). Something > that it hints at that bears further examination is that the NEXTSTEP > third-party market has a severe multiple-personality disorder. It makes > marketing and pricing products extremely difficult. It's not just that the > market is small. If that were the case this would be an easier issue. The > truth is that there are three main markets: > > 1) Traditional individual end-users > > 2) Educational/academic/hacker end-users > > 3) Corporiate purchasers > > Attempting to market a product well into these three areas when each is > relatively small is no easy chore. I'd invite the critics to try it. > > Market 1 is actually QUITE small.... > > Market 2 is perhaps smaller than Market 1...... > > Market 3 is going to be the largest market for NEXTSTEP 3rd party apps for > some time to come - possibly forever. Gordon's article is a very good analysis of the market, and he is correct -- the 3rd market is going to be the target market for a while, especially for the more commercial NeXTSTEP development ventures out there. However, every commercial product needs to examine exactly what target area they're aiming for. Just because corporate purchasers are the largest market doesn't necessarily mean that you should target all your products solely for the corporate arena. To speak specifics, i.e. NewsGrazer Pro, I think that you would see the market skewed a bit. It is my belief that, for Usenet newsreaders, the "traditional end-user" market is nearly non-existent, the "academic/hacker" market is larger than it would usually be, and the "corporate market" is a bit smaller than it would normally be. The main purchasers of a newsreader are going to be academic and corporate users, and I personally think that you'll see both areas getting large chunks of the pie. Is $200 a fair pricing policy for this? I'm not sure. Corporate purchasers may find it hard to justify the expense, considering that they probably have system administrators who can set up rn/trn/gnus for free for those who want it. Some academic purchasers and hackers will buy it, if they feel the features justify the cost. Many more hackers and academics will simply turn to the free software rather than shell out the bucks. I agree that pricing policies are incredibly difficult in such a fragmented environment such as the NeXT world. However, I think that Millenium may be shooting themselves in the foot with the pricing policy here. I suppose time will tell. Stephen Peters
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 02 Aug 1993 23:16:26 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Distribution: na Message-ID: <SOWA.93Aug2161626@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> <18536@news.duke.edu> In-reply-to: blake015@mc.duke.edu's message of 2 Aug 93 13:18:31 GMT >>>>> "db" == Denise Blakeley <blake015@mc.duke.edu> writes: db> It seems to me that Jayson and company are pretty smart folks, so if they were db> producing just another NewsGrazer they'd know it and price it accordingly. db> They obviously feel they've got something substantially better. Let's take a db> look at it before we judge the price too harshly. Yes, who cares what it costs? Buy it or don't buy it, your choice. There are plenty of free newsreading tools that you can use instead. What I want to know is: What is the format it will use for "enriched" posts? Hopefully something more efficient and universal than the old Newsgrazer format. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug2.231512.11406@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1288@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <23i5tj$bev@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 23:15:12 GMT In article <23i5tj$bev@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >> Garance A. Drosehn writes >> > I don't think Jeff deserves the sarcasm of this post. What he says >> > is simply the truth: at $200 it is not likely that NewsGrazer Pro >> > will sell a lot of copies. This is true even though Jayson is >> > certainly a highly respected NeXT developer. Jeff is also telling >> > the truth when he says that many platforms have much cheaper >> > newsreader solutions available. Most platforms have free newsreaders available. Most platforms have free terminal emulators as well, but there is a thriving market for commercial terminal emulator packages. Many companies will pay for support (especially if its a turnkey solution.. Install the software and it works, versus hacking server and reader software from the net.) There are a lot of small companies joining the net, and anything that gets them there with less pain and more functionality (or at least the appearance thereof) can be money (or face) saved. >> Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like the >> price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely that >> NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for Millennium >> to decide. > >No, it's the customers who decide. I *might* buy it for $200 myself >(if it's pretty snazzy), but as the president of a NeXT user's group >I just wanted to pass along the observation that few of the NeXT >users I know will buy it at that price. They just can't justify >that expense for a newsreader. They'll probably need to sell 1,000 copies to cover 2 entity-years of development, sales, marketing and support. Advertising is extra :-> Given the limited hardware that NeXT supports, the lack of graphics acceleration, its high price, driver problems, etc... Im not sure the NeXT market is going to grow a lot over the next 6 months. Id be betting on low volume, and that means higher prices. If youre happy popping $2790 for an OS, $200 for a quality software product that youll use extensively might not be that bad... >And on the topic of other platforms have more volume, is there *any* >platform which has a news reader program that sells for $200? If >so, could you tell me how well it's selling? I'd be honestly >surprised if anyone is making any sales on a newsreader selling at >that price. I'm not saying Millenium doesn't deserve a good return >on their investment, I'm saying that few people I know will spend >that kinda money on reading usenet... Ive not used Lotus Notes, so I dont know if its even remotely comperable, but I believe a 5-pack is $995, or $200-epsilon per node. I hear its selling quite well. >> > Hmm, I guess I don't agree with him that NewsGrazer Pro needs to >> > be shareware, but it's got to be more affordable. >> >> It only has to be more affordable if you are going to buy it. >> It sounds like you don't have the money, so you'll just have to >> live without it. > >Well, I don't have the money right now, because I just faxed in an >order for PasteUp, Concurrance, and Microphone Pro last week. I >intend to buy the latest version of Executor before the end of >August too. Sooner or later people do run out of money, and it's >not because they are cheap tightwads who want a free lunch. > >By the time NG Pro is out I'll (hopefully!) have the money, but that >doesn't mean I'm going to spend $200 on a newsreader instead of >spending it on some other NeXT applications. Which application would you use more? :-> >Of course, the problem with (me) trying to debate this now is that >the announcement came out so far ahead of the newsreader. For all >I know it will be sharp enough that people will buy it at $200. I >have always been quite favorably impressed with things that Jayson >& company have worked on before, so I hope it is good enough to >justify the price. > >-- >Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu >ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 3 Aug 1993 00:32:57 GMT Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Distribution: world Message-ID: <23kbnp$7pt@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <23htsq$10d@digifix.digifix.com> <23k1jo$4ig@hermes.athena.com> In article <23k1jo$4ig@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >Pricing models for software are very difficult to develop. The NEXTSTEP >community is an especially difficult marketplace. Because it is so small, > very >few of the fixed costs associated with writing software can be recovered unless >the price per copy is very high. This is aggravated be a limited set of people >in the community that will pay virtually anything for tools that do the right >job. I'm sure that there are 2 or 3 large sites that will by 250+ copies of >NG/Pro. To use my academic background, proper software pricing fits nicely into the theory of industrial organization, or more to be more precise, into the theory of "discriminatory pricing." The problem is how someone with market power can best extract all rents (profits) from software. A common case is where some users place very high value on a good, others low value. The best choice would allow the producer to charge each person their marginal utility. It can be argued that this is the source of the distinction between academic and commercial pricing, driven by profit maximization not good-heartedness. /ivo welch
From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with 3.1 Dev install Message-ID: <23kbt9$382@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 3 Aug 93 00:35:53 GMT References: <1993Jul30.203748.10179@bnr.ca> Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University In article <1993Jul30.203748.10179@bnr.ca> mdstest1@bnr.ca (Rob Parkhill) writes: > Hi All: > I finally got my 3.1 Dev Package (took FedEx less > than 24 hours to get it to me, including crossing the > border into Canada!). I went to install it last night and > ended up getting the error: > > Installing /NextDeveloper/Examples/Appkit/Graph/English.lproj/ > Info.nib/data.classes... > Not a Directory > There were errors while installing Developer Tool.pkg > ....errors > > Ack! Does any kind soul out there have a hint as to what > happened here? I would just copy all the files over from > the CD, but I want to install it all without the Intel > binaries... > Any help/hints are appreciated. > thanks > Ert -- I had the same error, too. The problem is that the Info.nib is suppose to be a directory but is really a file from the pre-NS3.0 days when Info.nib was a file. This was the only installation error I had and was easy to correct. Delete the old Info.nib file and copy the Info.nib directory from the CD to your disk. Of course, using proper paths. - Tim - --- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <1993Aug3.004446.25038@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <SPETERS.93Aug2155249@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 00:44:46 GMT Stephen Peters writes | To speak specifics, i.e. NewsGrazer Pro, I think that you would see | the market skewed a bit. It is my belief that, for Usenet | newsreaders, the "traditional end-user" market is nearly non-existent, | the "academic/hacker" market is larger than it would usually be, and | the "corporate market" is a bit smaller than it would normally be. | The main purchasers of a newsreader are going to be academic and | corporate users, and I personally think that you'll see both areas | getting large chunks of the pie. I would be interested to know why you say this "academic/hacker" market plays any (significant) role. Is it because they have some much to say here? I'm in this group, and I suspect these people spend very little on third-party software (at any price) -- and in the marketplace, it is those who spend money who have the biggest voice. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested in knowing what it is. | Is $200 a fair pricing policy for this? I'm not sure. Corporate | purchasers may find it hard to justify the expense, considering that | they probably have system administrators who can set up rn/trn/gnus | for free for those who want it. Some academic purchasers and hackers | will buy it, if they feel the features justify the cost. Many more | hackers and academics will simply turn to the free software rather | than shell out the bucks. My guess is the opposite, that it's exactly the corporate users who will pay $200 for a NewsGrazer product. So neither of us knows for sure, but Jayson is stepping up to find out. He may make out like a bandit or he may take it in the shorts. *I* don't expect to buy the product, and I find rather peculiar (and offensive) that other people who don't intend to buy it nonetheless find it necessary not only to broadcast that fact but to call Jayson's character into question. | I agree that pricing policies are incredibly difficult in such a | fragmented environment such as the NeXT world. However, I think that | Millenium may be shooting themselves in the foot with the pricing | policy here. I suppose time will tell. Great. So I have an exercise for all the naysayers. Show us a business plan in which a NewsGrazer-like product sold at $49 starts to look profitable in 12-24 months. Don't forget to estimate all your costs! Tom
From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <SPETERS.93Aug2183201@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: 3 Aug 93 01:32:01 GMT References: <SPETERS.93Aug2155249@samsun.us.oracle.com> <1993Aug3.004446.25038@cs.yale.edu> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA In-Reply-To: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU's message of Tue, 3 Aug 1993 00:44:46 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <1993Aug3.004446.25038@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) writes: > Stephen Peters writes > | The main purchasers of a newsreader are going to be academic and > | corporate users, and I personally think that you'll see both areas > | getting large chunks of the pie. > > I would be interested to know why you say this > "academic/hacker" market plays any (significant) > role. Is it because they have some much to say here? I'm in > this group, and I suspect these people spend very little > on third-party software (at any price) -- and in the > marketplace, it is those who spend money who have the > biggest voice. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd > be interested in knowing what it is. Like I said, it's a personal opinion. In my experience, academic users *will* buy, if they think it's worth the price -- otherwise, they'll stick with a free solution. (Of course, they usually evaulate `worth the price' a bit lower than other markets -- one reason why academic discounts are so low) (of course, they usually evaulate `worth the price' a bit lower than other markets -- one reason why academic discounts are so low) > | Is $200 a fair pricing policy for this? I'm not sure. Corporate > | purchasers may find it hard to justify the expense, considering that > | they probably have system administrators who can set up rn/trn/gnus > | for free for those who want it. Some academic purchasers and hackers > | will buy it, if they feel the features justify the cost. Many more > | hackers and academics will simply turn to the free software rather > | than shell out the bucks. > > My guess is the opposite, that it's exactly the corporate > users who will pay $200 for a NewsGrazer product. I'll agree that it's the corporate users who will pay that amount -- I think they're the only group willing to pay that amount. :-) However, I believe that there will be a non-insignificant number of sysadmins and managers who will balk at the idea of ordering 50 to 100 copies of a $200 product, when a free solution may exist. This of course assumes that there won't be any bulk discounts, nor any multi-user licensing possibilities -- two assumptions that I'm willing to bet will be completely wrong :-). Still, I think these same sysadmins would probably be less reticent with a lower-cost product. > *I* don't expect to buy the product, and I find > rather peculiar (and offensive) that other people who > don't intend to buy it nonetheless find it necessary not > only to broadcast that fact but to call Jayson's > character into question. Ack! I certainly didn't mean to impugn Jayson's character in the slightest. I do think that the pricing is high, but I hold Jayson and Millenium in high respect for thier accomplishments, especially the first Newsgrazer and the excellent Notebook application. I do not think that Jayson is just out to make a fast buck, nor do I see him as the type of person who is out to rape the user community for all they're worth. He's simply trying to fill a need he sees in the NeXT community, and price it so that it is profitable. It is my humble opinion that the current pricing is higher than the market will bear. > Great. So I have an exercise for all the naysayers. Show us > a business plan in which a NewsGrazer-like product sold > at $49 starts to look profitable in 12-24 months. Don't > forget to estimate all your costs! Well, for the same reason that you and I can't agree on the size of the corporate market, I'm going to avoid attempting this. I tend to think that, in this case, cutting the price by 3/4 will result in 4 times the sales, but it is fairly clear you disagree with that assumption. As you said (in part of your posting that I excised), Jayson's "stepping up" to find out if the market can support the higher price. I *do* wish him luck, although I have my doubts. Stephen Peters
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (charles d. kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Good vendors to talk to? Keywords: NS/FIP, Intel, Vendors Message-ID: <23kh23INNau8@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Date: 3 Aug 93 02:03:46 GMT Organization: University of Florida Hello, I am not in the market for an intel machine (I've got my sleek black machine right here. :-), so I haven't been following the discussions about purchases too much. Now, however, someone who might buy or recommend a lot of machines for the University has asked me about knowledgable vendors. Man! I would love to be able to get more NeXT's... oops! that's more machines running NEXTSTEP on this campus. So I am asking for the net's help. One of the things I did read about vendors was about one in Colorado (I think) who knew what he was doing. Does this ring a bell for anyone? Can someone send me info on this person? Actually, if people can send me info on vendors that they've worked with and their recommendations, good or bad, I'll summarize them for the net. Everything will be hearsay, of course, but isn't everything we know really just hearsay? (Sorry. I'm part nihilist. :-) So, send me your tired, your poor, your good vendors and your bad. I'll collect, summarize and disseminate the information. Thanks, -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group "It's crackers to slip the rozzer the dropsy in snide."
From: mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: changing ownership of a hd Date: 2 Aug 1993 22:19:42 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9308030146.AA03976@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> I am posting this to c.s.n.misc by the email gateway due to CNews remodelling. Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 13:45:38 +0200 From: Peter Nitezki <nidat.sub.org!nitezki@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> To: tigger!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) Subject: Re: changing ownership of a hd Reply-To: NiDat.sub.org!Nitezki@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu In comp.sys.next.misc article <9307311527.AA19088@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> you wrote: > I have a Seagate 2.4Ghd that worked pretty nearly out-of -the box > merely after using BuildDisk on it. I put an ftab entry in for it and > it is mounted as hd2 at startup time. > ...munch... You probably put the >noauto< directive into the fstab line. THAT'S WRONG! You should remove this. Then the disk will be owned by the owner of the mount point, as it's mounted at boot time by root. Otherwise the disk gets mounted at log in time and is owned by the person logging in (just like a floppy or CD inserted while logged in). The boot device is different! Therefore the quite common error. The man page for fstab can be very easily be misread (some say it's outright wrong). -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5 Thanks for your note, Peter. I looked at my fstab paragraph and it looks like this: gerilla:31# cat /etc/fstab # # DO NOT DELETE THIS FILE, IT IS REQUIRED FOR BOOTING # # This file contains information used to mount local hard disks. # Consult your system administration and networking manual # for information on adding local disks. Information on the format # of entries in this file can also be found in the fstab man page, # search for fstab in Digital Librarian. # /dev/sd0a / 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 1 /dev/sd0b /clients 4.3 rw,noquota 0 2 /dev/sd3a /hd2 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 3 gerilla:32# owner.group of sd0a is mgilula.wheel owner.group of sd0b is root.wheel it is difficult using chown to change the group of sd3a from nogroup to wheel. and in my Console at bootup time, I get the following observation: Software Version 3.0 (Hyper3B) Aug 1 19:16:58 Workspace: Mounted hard disk at /hd2 I will check out what you have said. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place for changing the group of hd2. -73- --- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@andi.org (David M. Gursky) Subject: Postscript dumps Message-ID: <CB5CMM.IvI@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:25:34 GMT Is it possible to easily create a PostScript dump of a file on a NeXT that includes the fonts? I have a couple documents that use fonts other than the "35 standard" fonts commonly found in PostScript printers that I would like to print remotely. -- David M. Gursky MIME and NeXTMail accepted Synex, Inc. e-mail: dgursky@andi.org 5950 Symphony Woods Road voice: (301) 621-5732 Columbia, MD 21044 fax: (301) 621-6005
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <18570@news.duke.edu> Date: 3 Aug 93 03:06:16 GMT References: <23kbnp$7pt@news.mic.ucla.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Folks-- This thread, while interesting, has wandered quickly into comp.sys.next.advocacy's realm. May I suggest we finish our discussion over there and leave comp.sys.next.misc free and open for miscellanea again? Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need suggestions for NS/FIP software (LONG) Date: 1 Aug 1993 17:12:01 -0000 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <23gth1$h3@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <238tn2$a4@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > Spreadsheet: Take a look at Xanthus Questor and Graphity. Don't ask me about their features, but they are said to be very professional. > Word Processor: Invesigate some time in learning TeX. It is worth the effort, believe me. And NeXTSTEP is one of the most beautiful and fastest platforms for TeX. > Image Editing: >Image and Pinnacle's WetPaint. Both seem robust and intuitive. What's best? Find out yourself - I did not make my own decision about this yet. Compose In Color is another neat app, but not available for Intel yet. > Drawing: Draw has met my needs well in the past for making simple >charts of laboratory setups for school-work/research. I am now considering >buying a more robust package. LightHouse Design's Diagram is powerful, but it >seems more for organizational charting than drawing. Could I make an optics >palette (that's what I study) with Laser, Lens, and Mirror objects? What about >Appsoft's Draw -- is it a stable, powerful package? The version of AppsoftDraw on the CD is the most unstable app I ever met. I cannot even import tiffs without crash. > Telecommunications: Is there is anything to utilize a modem? This >doesn't convcern me much now, but I know others who want this support as soon >as they get NS/FIP installed. I have heard of SLiPCommander (sp?), but beyond >that I am completely ignorant on the topic. I haven't heard of SLIP commander for NS/I. We have to wait for the serial driver update before adapting SLIP... >Are there any other "Gotta have it" apps out there? ImageViewer, MetroSuction, Digit, TickleServices, nn. > Games: If I want games, I'll probably buy a SNES, or King's Quest type >games for DOS. But hey, maybe there is something worthwhile on the NeXT. Don't >say Rocks!; $50 for Asteroids is too much. Xoxeroids, PacMan, Tetris. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Cray computers? Where? When?? How???
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 2 Aug 1993 10:29:03 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <23jisv$rq9@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <CEDMAN.93Jul30142000@schnorer.uci.edu> In article <CEDMAN.93Jul30142000@schnorer.uci.edu> cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes: :In article <CAzHw0.K15@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: : You know what I'd like in a new Mail.app? I'd like it if it stored mail in : a format compatible with mh instead of Mail. Then I'd be more likely to : read my mail from home and other remote situations. : :Don't. That would truly make Mail.app a toy. Storage of mail :messages in separate files is not only wasteful of HD space even under :BSD FFS optimizations, but what's much worse very, very slow. Listing :a few hundred mh messages in one folder tests the limit of my :patience, even when some caching scheme is in effect. Grepping :through a folder of 5000 or more messages as I frequently do under :Mail.app is unthinkable. : : Carl Edman : Mail.app is already a toy. Don't get me wrong... for NeXTMail its the only thing :-), but I gave up trying to use it for my normal mail volume a long time ago.. I find it nearly impossible to organize the hundreds of messages I generally have in my inbox with it, the pretty GUI just gets in the way most of the time. Personally, I would prefer being able to switch between Mail.app and shell-based mailers at a whim, Mail.app *is* good for some things, but since I can't do that I just huck Mail.app out the window and don't use it at all. This is a NeXT machine but if you send me NeXTmail it's likely to languish :-( -Matt Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <CB61D1.1D2@is.com> Sender: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. References: <23k1jo$4ig@hermes.athena.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 04:19:48 GMT In article <23k1jo$4ig@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: ... > If they price NG/Pro for the masses ($49 or so), they will lose the > cash that they would have made from the sites that will write the > check. On the other hand, the current pricing model is clearly > designed to exact the largest amount of money from the larger > NEXTSTEP customers and may result in more profits for Millennium > (which is good! The more NS developers there are who make > money, the more developers there will be who are enticed to > create great apps, and ultimately, the NS users win.) (I should point out that I'm entering this post with NewsGrazer.) I've always been pleased with Stone Design's pricing policy. When 3DReality first came out, and we'd all recovered from Andrew's party, the price was $99.00 for 'early adaptors' (which would probably include most of the people who are reading this thread), and it then jumped to ~$450 after about 8 or 12 weeks. The short-term low price gives the individual users & hackers an opportunity to get the product, with the caveat that it's a 1.0 version (i.e., probably has bugs), and that they have to move quickly. Then, the price goes up, to extract as much cash as possible from the larger sites, which typically aren't interested in buying a product on heresay on the net. Come to think of it, Microsoft does this too - the price for MS/DOS-6 was ~$50.00 for several months when it first came out, and then it jumped to $99.00 or so. The Win/NT beta is a somewhat similar situation. This makes some sense to me, and I'd love to see other software companies follow Andy & Bill's lead. Just my $0.02 worth... Pete Clark -- ********************************************************************* Pete Clark - Software Engineer | You know that way that Integrity Solutions, Inc. | you always are? pclark@is.com NeXTMail preferred | Don't be that way. *********************************************************************
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 22:10:30 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> In article <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) writes: :I would like to propose a different view on this thread. What would :be required, short of a direct neural interface to the net, to convince :people to purchase Newsgrazer Pro at the RSP of $200? What's on net.users' wish list, beyond MAB? : :I would ask that the following kinds of functionality would be included: : - bundled UUCP/SLIP co :nnection management for email : as well as news, as well as a news server/backend : - intelligent ftp'ing of files, similar to GatorFTP.app, : with the ability to double-click on a line and parse it : into server and file location and grab it in the background... My idea of intelligent ftp'ing is the ability to map ftp sites onto the filesystem, with directory and possibly even file caching. You guys don't think big enough! -Matt :--- :Michael Shaler :Tokyo Design Center :Nippon Motorola Ltd. :+813 3280 8245 voice :+813 3440 0033 fax :mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail] Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 3 Aug 1993 01:57:57 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <23kup5$mr@digifix.digifix.com> References: <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> Matthew Dillon writes > My idea of intelligent ftp'ing is the ability to map ftp sites onto the > filesystem, with directory and possibly even file caching. > > You guys don't think big enough! > > -Matt Actually, what you are talking about is Touch.app, something that was written at NeXT, and (I think) sold off to a company that has just sat on it... Basically, the ftp directory mounted under /Net, and it worked... slow, but pretty neat. I think it is/was on the Educational CD NeXT released last fall. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1294@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 3 Aug 93 05:37:14 GMT References: <23kbnp$7pt@news.mic.ucla.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Ivo Welch writes > To use my academic background, proper software pricing fits nicely > into the theory of industrial organization, or more to be more > precise, into the theory of "discriminatory pricing." > > The problem is how someone with market power can best extract all > rents (profits) from software. A common case is where some users place > very high value on a good, others low value. The best choice would > allow the producer to charge each person their marginal utility. > > It can be argued that this is the source of the distinction between > academic and commercial pricing, driven by profit maximization not > good-heartedness. Well, I don't know that it's profit maximization versus good-heartedness. It's more that it's an imperfect world. Imagine software sales in which you charge the customer based on their marginal utility. If you use the product very little, the price should be low, and if you use the product all day long, the price should be high. Now try to project that into the sales cycle..... Sales: "Hi. You want to buy PasteUp. How much do you think you'll use it?" Customer: "Well, probably 30-40 hours a week. I'm a designer." Sales: "Okay, your price is $7,000" Customer: "Gulp" [hangs up] Sales: "Hi. You want to buy PasteUp. How much do you think you'll use it?" Customer: [same one, two days later] "Hardly at all. I'm an engineer." Sales: "Okay, your price is $38." The difficulty is in verifying someone's "marginal utility". Once people figure out how you price it, the game is over. There is no reasonable way to be fair in pricing based on usage. You have to distribute your pricing across the average customer, and the ones who use the product every day for their productivity will get a great deal, whereas the occasional user will pay too much. This can be mitigated by simple classification, like Educational quali- fications. This is done by almost all software vendors. Anything more elaborate just isn't feasible, and wouldn't end up being any more fair than the way it is done now. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Are attachments objects? References: <23k5gb$8jm@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 05:02:02 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Aug3.050202.1298@tkymail.sps.mot.com> jbrierre@telenet.com writes: > Does anyone out there know whether a .eps file can be dragged > onto the mail window and be displayed as an icon? I have a related question about attachment vs. object behavior and interfaces. I love drag and drop and yet I find that NeXT is somewhat ambivalent on the behavioral issues that come with working with ric h documents and attachments. In the case of embedded EPS, TIFF or filtered images, the file is displayed in its native or filtered format. When you drag an addresses file entry into an RTF document, the address is converted to its RTF representation. In the case of bundles/directories, sound files, text-only shell scripts and other RTF documents, however, you only get an icon. Now, obviously, sound files are difficult at best to represent visually except by icons, bundles are tidier when bundled, but the embedded RTF document seems reasonably represented by being displayed in its native format _by_ _default_... So I guess what I am asking for here is the ability to choose how attachments are represented, either in native format or in iconic representation. And by extension, this means when an RTF or RTFD file/bundle/document is converted by Edit.app into its ASCII representation (in the future, Unicode...), that means the text of the rich attachments or embedded shell scripts is also maintained, with other images, etc. represented by their path name or whatever appellation they will have in 4.0. So until we get rid of th e defaults directory and the file system and really resolve how we feel about pop-up menus in the object- oriented world of the future, there are still reasons for intelligent bundles, intelligent editors and enhanced AND documented dwrites and this I think should be one of them: dwrite SYSTEM showAttachmentsAsIcons YES With today's exchange rate, that's my ~ 2 yen... --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]t the embedded RTF document seems reasonably represented by being displayed in its native format _by_ _default_... So I guess what I am asking for here is the ability to choose how attachments are represented, either in native format or in iconic representation. And by extension, this means when an RTF or RTFD file/bundle/document is converted by Edit.app into its ASCII representation (in the future, Unicode...), that means the text of the rich attachments or embedded shell scripts is also maintained, with other images, etc. represented by their path name or whatever appellation they will have in 4.0. So until we get rid of th
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcr@dolphin.com (John C. Randolph) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug3.000456.2228@houston.dolphin.com> Sender: jcr@houston.dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <1993Jul31.021936.24936@cs.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 00:04:56 GMT In article <1993Jul31.021936.24936@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) writes: > J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes > | I think it's around $190 too steep. This seems to me to be another NS > | app where someone wants big money for doing what other major GUI > | environments have (and in some cases even NS has) for free. Another > | app of this kind that shoots to my mind is LoadEye. > | > | Hopefully NG Pro will be some incredibly powerful newsreader that'll > | make nn, rn and trn look lame, but I doubt it. I think the best > | future for this app is shareware. Charge a reasonable rate like Scott > | Hess and Don Yacktman do for their work and don't insult the customers > | with such an outrageously priced app. > > There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, we have a > volunteer! What a chance to show that Jayson Adams that in > spite of his numerous very fine contributions to the NeXT > community, and the considerable liklihood that he is > presently starving for his efforts, there is a more > virtuous way! Please post your schedule, Jeff, and > shareware price so we can prepare to not be insulted. > Anyone with comments/suggestions/requests can > forward them to jeffo@uiuc.edu. And thanks, Jeff: > there's nothing like putting your money where your mouth > is! > > Tom Hear, Hear! Well Said, Tom! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- John C. Randolph <jcr@dolphin.com> (408) 369-8433 "Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from a Rigged Demo!" Opinions are my own, but they are available for your use at very reasonable Royalties. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John C. Randolph <jcr@dolphin.com> (408) 369-8433 "Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from a Rigged Demo!" Opinions are my own, but they are available for your use at very reasonable Royalties.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <CB661J.14x@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <CB3BzJ.25w@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 06:00:54 GMT In article <CB3BzJ.25w@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> sailer@atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) writes: #POINTLESS BITCHING ABOUT PRICE DELETED # # #Come on folks. $200 is at most four hours worth of your time (or will #be when you graduate). I don't know anyone who can write a News Reader in #3 hours. I'd be surprised if you can even download one from the net #and install it in three hours. Well I have a MSEE and I wish at my regular job, not consulting I could make $50 per hour because that comes to a little over $100K per year. Everybody that makes $100K per year raise your hands. I figure Jason can charge whatever the market will take, but there is a thing in economics called diminishing returns. A few people will pay a high price while a lot more will pay a lower price. My guess is that at $50-75 he will seel more than 4x as many copies as he would at $200. $50-75 is a price most people can spring for, $200 is a different story. Like I posted before, I'd pay $50-75 but $200 is out of the question. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 3 Aug 1993 00:19:52 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Distribution: world Message-ID: <23kp18$6e4@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <CB6F9A.L8z@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <CB4E30.DF5@utstat.toronto.edu> <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 09:19:58 GMT In article <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: [Much deleted related to volume, price of hd<->sw,...] > >In the world of "general purpose computing platforms", for some reason the >tradition has evolved that one company makes the platform (hardware/OS), >and other companies, known as "third parties", make the software that >everybody uses. This is rather a bizarre situation in some ways, but is >necessary because no one company can provide all the solutions. True just as there really is no computing platform which provides the means for "all the solutions". In fact computers provide solutions to a very small number of problems, in my opinion. [ ] >At the start, NeXT had a computer with no applications, so they set out >to get good applications running on their platform. There were many >willing players who recognized the value in what NeXT provided. These >included Adobe, Lotus, Frame, WordPerfect, Quark (remember, they were >up on stage at the 2.0 rollout), and lots of little guys like RightBrain. >Apps were built, but it was a time-consuming process. All in all, it >didn't happen fast enough, or NeXT didn't grow the installed base fast >enough, or something, because after several years, they've all abandoned >NeXT and gone somewhere else. The reason? Not enough volume. That's >the ONLY reason. If there were volume, they'd stay interested (with the >possible exception of Frame, who seems to be enduring financial difficulty >unrelated to the NeXT market). That's the way the game works. Volume. Interesting about Quark. WordPerfect is still around though. > >Providing a platform is a chicken-and-egg situation, where nobody wants >to buy the platform until the apps are there, and nobody wants to develop the >apps unless the platform is doing well. That's where the little guys come in. The big guns have not provided an interesting vision of computing to the point where their solutions often hinder rather than help. There needs to be people with vision willing to stick it out otherwise we will be stuck with computers which do little more than they have for over 20 years. Heck, they haven't even solved the technical typing problem :-). > >In my opinion, NeXT blew it 2-3 years ago by not riding the wave of >applications into strong sales. They're not entirely responsible, since >the computer market in general was sluggish and hardware was in kind of a >slump, but nonetheless, you only get that opportunity once, and it has now >gone by. I actually believe it was a lack of sustained marketing, or focused >marketing, or perhaps marketing at all. Who knows. It doesn't really >matter; it just happened that way. Today there is LESS software available >(for Intel, particularly) than ever before. Luckily for NeXT, their >strategy no longer depends on it, because they are not as much a "general >purpose" computing platform. Hmm...less software? This is hard to believe. > >Your comment was that apps should be priced low so the platform can >take off in volume, but it's not as simple as that. They both have to >hold hands and take off together. If the apps are priced low and the >platform doesn't take off, the app companies all fold up (or cancel >their NeXT development) because of a lack of sales. Lotus GAVE AWAY >Improv, for example. You can't get much lower cost than that. But >NeXT did not give away their hardware, and the match burned out before >the fire caught. Lotus is not currently developing for NEXTSTEP any >more. I don't believe the Improv example is valid. Improv did not solve anything that people couldn't easily get elsewhere on platforms costing far less. A better example, which does not support your position, would be Mathematica which resulted in a lot of sales to the academic world. The same goes for TeX. I do agree with you that there is a tie between cost of hw,sw and volume. In fact Volume is proportional to the some of the cost of both. > >Now, in the middle of 1993, the market for third-party applications >is especially tough. NeXT has been holding steady with its >Mission-Critical App development message for quite some time now, >which may be increasing the health and sales of NeXT, Inc., but it's >not providing as good a market for third-party applications. NeXT, >in my opinion, is behaving in a Darwinian fashion (or perhaps a Lord of >the Flies fashion), saving itself at any cost, and part of that cost >may be the health of the third-party market. Unfortunately, their >health may be short-term, because long-term they will need >third-party applications to provide good business solutions for >their customers. Again, they can't do it all themselves. NeXT has >attempted to marry its mission-critical strategy with a harmonious >strategy for third-party apps, but it does not market NEXTSTEP to end >users, who are [typically] the primary market for third parties. >NeXT does not advertise to, market to, or even encourage individual >users. They do not compete against Macintosh, they do not compete >against Windows, they do not compete against Atari or any other >single-user desktop environment. They compete for large network >sales to corporations who develop their own in-house apps. These >companies may or may not want a copy of TIFFany or RightBrain Rulers or >Lotus Improv or whatever. Well you've brought up a touchy point. The MCA approach is a dead end. Every dog and his cat is claiming that ability in addition to having access to reasonable general applications. This concentration on financial applications is about as stable as the real estate market. In any case, I have never had much respect for what amounts to a casino in disguise. > >So yes, you're right that higher-priced software somewhat restricts the >ability of the platform to grow, but there are different heads in the >noose, so to speak. If you price software high, you might make a little >bit of money off the existing customers (those who are not price-sensitive). >If you price an app low, you might make more money, but you might make >less. And it's much easier to lower a price than to raise it. It's not >the responsibility of a third party to guarantee a growth path for the >platform, nor is it the responsibility of the platform to guarantee growth >for the third parties. It's an organic, symbiotic relationship (usually). With the "OS" now living on a less proprietary market there has never been a better time for 3rd party developers to have chance to define the platform. Low cost good applications in a broad range of areas could appeal to people with nowhere to turn. The alternatives are not wonderful. > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail From: heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) Subject: Re: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! Message-ID: <T2YFBJMP@math.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany References: <23jrif$r0s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <OIYFBCFR@math.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 10:04:35 GMT heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) writes: [Something in German] Oops - sorry for using German in international groups. I made a followup to an article in our local hierarchy (bln.*) and didn't notice that the author of the original article wrote to a bunch of newsgroups (including international groups). He tried to limit the propagation of his article using the (illegal) distribution "Germany". Due to the features of my newsreader my article has the same bad distribution... :-{ Sorry for the inconvenience. Vera -- |~| Vera Heinau | Freie Universitaet Berlin / \ heinau@Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE | Institut fuer Kristallographie /FUB\ | Takustrasse 6 `---' | D-14195 Berlin Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Discussion on NeXTStep in Comp.sys.hp Message-ID: <1993Aug1.105217.1724@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <23bg06$p3d@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 10:52:17 GMT In article <23bg06$p3d@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Hi, > > Thought you would like to know that comp.sys.hp are currently discussing > splitting the group up into a set of sub groups some what similar to > those used by other groups like the next group. I am currently trying > to get a comp.sys.hp.nextstep added to that list, and as such any > support for this would be helpful, or if you feel that it should be > handled under the comp.sys.next then you should make your feeling known > in the hp group. > > hope this is interesting to you > There is already comp.soft-sys.nextstep to discuss platform independent matters or policy issues. Why introducing another group? The community just gets more fragmented. I propose to create awareness of the c.s.n groups in the c.s.h community. That would be much more effective. Probably c.s.n.announce should be selectively cross posted to the appropriate group. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug3.092050.2171@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <23jrjb$4u0@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 09:20:50 GMT In article <23jrjb$4u0@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > Mmmm. I'd say that the flamers are, in their own way, > informing NEXTSTEP developers that there is > significant demand for a competing news reader priced > under $200, and are, therefore, playing a critical role > in the software market. The trouble is that there may or may not be "significant demand". There is no absolute relationship between vocal individuals on the net and purchasing patterns of the whole community. What we know for sure is that less than a dozen people are more likely to buy the product at a different price point. Any notion of significant demand is synthetic. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Hans Becker <hans.becker@infolog.se> Subject: Abandoning Next? (was Third Party Software Pricing) Message-ID: <1993Aug3.110002.15128@infolog.se> Sender: news@infolog.se Organization: Infologics AB References: <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 11:00:02 GMT In article <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Glenn Reid, glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >In my opinion, NeXT blew it 2-3 years ago by not riding the wave of >applications into strong sales. and > Today there is LESS software available >(for Intel, particularly) than ever before. Luckily for NeXT, their >strategy no longer depends on it, because they are not as much a "general >purpose" computing platform. and >NeXT has been holding steady with its >Mission-Critical App development message for quite some time now, >which may be increasing the health and sales of NeXT, Inc., but it's >not providing as good a market for third-party applications. and >NeXT does not advertise to, market to, or even encourage individual >users. They do not compete against Macintosh, they do not compete >against Windows, they do not compete against Atari or any other >single-user desktop environment. They compete for large network >sales to corporations who develop their own in-house apps. These >companies may or may not want a copy of TIFFany or RightBrain Rulers or >Lotus Improv or whatever. Bad signs. When will RightBrain and other Next dedicated software houses abandon the Next platform? Is there still any financial incentive left for these companies to write innovative third party apps? In article <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Glenn Reid, glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Unfortunately, their (Nexts) health may be short-term, because long-term >they will need third-party applications to provide good business solutions >for their customers. I agree. ----------------------------- hans.becker@infolog.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: powhwee@ncb.gov.sg (Tan Pow Hwee) Subject: XNeXT Message-ID: <1993Aug3.084505.21637@iti.gov.sg> Sender: news@iti.gov.sg (News Admin) Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 08:45:05 GMT Howdy, I have a 030 Cube running system 2.1 and I want to run XNeXT on it. The copies I found on sonata and cs.orst.edu are either color version or compiled for 3.0. Can someone tell me where I can find one for System 2.1? Thanks. ph
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Sybase + NS3.0 Message-ID: <Aug3.142744.70349@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 14:27:44 GMT Distribution: na References: <1993Jul29.181741.20615@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > Hello, > > My friend is about to upgrade to 3.0, but is worried about > problems he may encounter running Sybase. I know there were > some problems with the Administrator application; what were > these? All administrator functions start two shells, both attempting the same thing at the same time. > are there workarounds? Yup. Close on of the shells really quickly. :-) Sybase (or NeXT?) did release an updated version compatible with 3.0, it may be difficult to find, though. > any other caveats? I've been using it without problems, but my use is quite light. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail Subject: Re: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! Date: 3 Aug 93 10:41:50 Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <GISLI.93Aug3104150@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> References: <23jrif$r0s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <OIYFBCFR@math.fu-berlin.de> <T2YFBJMP@math.fu-berlin.de> In-reply-to: heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de's message of Tue, 3 Aug 1993 10:04:35 GMT VH> heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) writes: VH> [Something in German] VH> Oops - sorry for using German in international groups. In the past there have been postings to this newsgroup in foreign languages, accidental or otherwise. This is the first time that a poster has not been promptly chastised for doing so. Is there any particular reason that articles to this newsgroup should be in the English language (except, of course, to maximize the audience)? I cannot see what the problem is and would like to propose a rule of thumb: If you don't understand the Subject:, don't bother reading the article. I will post in Icelandic if I so choose, albeit not holding my breath for feedback. In short, there is no need to apologize for a posting in German, not to me at least. Variety is the spice of life Gisli -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 2 Aug 1993 20:04:09 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ka1p$4rk@digifix.digifix.com> References: <lscheerCB5667.G3y@netcom.com> Lyle Scheer writes > Oh yeah, I also saw someone respond to this thread complaining about having > to pay for a product that was once public domain. To my knowledge, NewsGrazer > was never public domain. I believe it was a NeXT internal app, or at least > one that NeXT did not want to release the rights to while Jayson was working > for them. I believe it was distributed on the sly as it were, with NeXT not > wanting to squash third party developer's chances while also seeing the > value of a good program. Lyle just about sums up the situation with NG. I think its important to point out that NG Pro has NONE of the code-base from Newsgrazer in it... Its a ground up project according to Jayson. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 3 Aug 1993 14:55:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <23lu97$8r7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <23jisv$rq9@moonshot.west.oic.com> In article <23jisv$rq9@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > Mail.app is already a toy. Don't get me wrong... for NeXTMail its the > only thing :-), but I gave up trying to use it for my normal mail volume a long > time ago.. I find it nearly impossible to organize the hundreds of messages I > generally have in my inbox with it, the pretty GUI just gets in the way most > of the time. > I never have muc h trouble managing my tens of thousands of messages in hundreds of mailboxes. I would like a hierarchical system for storing old mail instead of the linear array of mailboxes, though. And, I would like a better find utility to search through the contents of mailboxes. I find myself sneaking into unix and using "grep" too often. But, I would not want to miss the intuitive feel of Mail.app, and its ease of use. Maybe I am just to stupid to remember commands, which is also why I am using Edit instead of Emacs.
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IMPORTANT: Problem with NEXTSTEP 3.1 fip CDs (please read and pass this info on!!) Date: 3 Aug 1993 15:25:53 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <23m021$7l1@menudo.uh.edu> (Please alert your vendor of this potential problem!!! Also tell anyone you know who isn't on the net...) We have discovered a potentially serious problems with some shipments of NEXTSTEP 3.1/fip CDs that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to install NEXTSTEP on any hardware because the CD cannot be read: There seems to have been a defect in the packaging phase during the production of batch of NEXTSTEP 3.1 CDs. These CDs are "fogged." That is, they have a thin film over the back of the CD (side opposite of the label). At first we thought it was due to humidity, but now we are not sure what it is. However, we believe that the defect happened during the packaging phase because all of our 22 copies (from the same shipment) of NEXTSTEP 3.1/fip had this film. Copies from an earlier shipment were fine. We believe that this is not an isolated incident and that other shipments may also be affected. This problem can be fixed if you carefully clean the CD. We sucessfully used "computer screen cleaner" and Windex without any problems. Apply the cleaner to a lint-free cloth and wipe the film off the CD. After the CD is cleaned, installation and use of the CD should be problem free (that is if there aren't any other problems like hardware incompatiblity). We would like to know if you come across a CD with this "defect" so please send me email. You can send email if you have any questions too! -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sladen@marlin.nosc.mil Subject: remote pkg for Archie Message-ID: <CB6uFo.L0s@inrird.com> Keywords: Archie Sender: news@inrird.com Organization: INRI Research & Development Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 14:47:47 GMT I am trying to unpackage Archie2.05a from sonata, but the package requires data from superc.che.udel.edu. I am having trouble connecting to that machine. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance sladen@marlin.nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Special Color Ink Jet Printer Paper? Message-ID: <1993Aug3.134902.252@stone.com> Keywords: Color Laser Paper Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 13:49:02 GMT Does anyone know a source to Canon's SP-1015 LTR ink jet paper, or an equivalent? None of the paper houses around here have any, and it's remarkable how much better output looks on the special coated paper as compared to standard paper. Thanks! andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: baratoff@cfar.umd.edu (Gregory Baratoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSFIP on Zeos Message-ID: <69967@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 3 Aug 93 15:30:48 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Center for Automation Research, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 A while ago somebody asked whether NSFIP would run on a ZEOS 486/66 system. I don't remember who that was, nor have I seen any replies on the net. Anybody care to comment ? While we're at it : Zeos offers an on-board SCSI adapter (controller ?). Can it be used for NSFIP ? Thanks, Greg. ****************************************************************************** * Gregory Baratoff e-mail : baratoff@cfar.umd.edu * * Center for Automation Research * * University of Maryland * * College Park, MD 20742 * ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Subject: espionage anyone? Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Aug03.155648.67148@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1993 15:56:48 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Keywords: espionage has anyone heard of the plotting program espionage? is it shipping? does it exist? do you know who i could contact for more information? thanks! kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) Subject: Cooked Input Overrun???? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 17:17:02 GMT Message-ID: <CB71CF.Mv7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana What does this mean??? --->
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with NEXTSTEP 3.1 fip CDs (please read and pass this info on!!) Message-ID: <1993Aug3.173443.7860@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <23m021$7l1@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 17:34:43 GMT Paul S. Sears writes > There seems to have been a defect in the packaging phase during > the production of batch of NEXTSTEP 3.1 CDs. These CDs are > "fogged." Baron's CD Polish. Comes in a small little vial that looks sorta like a breath freshner - find it at your local CD store (Tower carries it). Great stuff - a little goes a long way, and polishes the disk clear. I use it on my laserdiscs. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aelman@cs.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug3.184057.19546@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <18536@news.duke.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:40:57 GMT Just to put my $0.02 into this thread: It strikes me that the main reason everyone is complaining about NG/Pro's $200 list price is that nobody can _think_ of stuff that can be done with a USENET newsreader that could possibly be worth $200. A mission-critical, vertical market application (someone mentioned the $12,000 TIMMS earlier) can cost a lot of money, because it will bring a huge amount of benefit to a customer. A wide-use app like a word processor or a spreadsheet can cost upwards of $200 because there are a million things you can do with either. All you can do with a USENET news reader is read USENET, no matter how many bells and whistles are in the program. USENET is a hobby for me; it's certainly not worth $200, especially when I can get a terminal-based newsreader for free. Even if NG/Pro has a million bells and whistles. It is true that USENET offers a unique forum for technical assistance, etc. If you figure the cost of CompuServe for a year, it probably costs more than NG/Pro. But of course you also would have to consider the cost of an NNTP connection, plus e-mail, etc, in that. I'd be interested to see a list of new features in NG/Pro that make it worth $200. -- Adam Elman ResComputing Tech Support, Stanford University elmanad@deathstar.stanford.edu aelman@cs.stanford.edu "You guys are so talented -- it's such a waste!" -- Some random auctioneer in Woodside, CA referring to the Stanford Band
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Re: How to autolaunch CDPlayer when audio CD inserted? Message-ID: <CB75K8.LDG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <23jnc5INN8ue@twain.ucs.umass.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 18:48:08 GMT > I recently bought a used NeXTcube, which came with NS3.0 > installed. I attached an Apple CD300 CD-ROM drive to > it, and found that when I inserted an audio CD, the > CDPlayer app launched automatically. Then I re-installed > NS3.0 from scratch, including the Demonstration package > (i.e. the CDPlayer app and the cdaudio.fs stuff), and > CDPlayer will now no longer autolaunch as before. When > I insert an audio CD, it gets ejected (after a bit of > disk activity) and in console.log I get "cdaudio.util: > could not open CDPlayer". I've tried making symlinks to > /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer in some obvious > places (/LocalLibrary and /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs), > but nothing works. How do I get autolaunching of CDPlayer > to work again?? I think you need to turn on the public window server. At least that is required before it will work... Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: Which of the following .NeXT dir files are obsolete? Message-ID: <1993Aug3.144204.4976@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <23k62q$6bv@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 14:42:04 GMT In article <23k62q$6bv@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: | Under NeXT OS 3.1, which if any of the following files are obsolete, assuming | that all my machines are black NeXTs running 3.1? | | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 8192 Jul 30 10:44 .NeXTdefaults.L | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 790 Jul 30 10:44 defaults3_1.wmd | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7054 Jul 30 10:39 suffixes3_1.m68k.wmd | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 22439 Jul 30 10:39 apps3_0.wmd | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7877 Jul 30 09:34 suffixes3_0.wmd | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 0 Dec 13 1992 ConsoleFilter | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 237 Dec 11 1992 .dir.wmd | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 797 Dec 11 1992 defaults.wmd | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11197 Dec 11 1992 appcache.wmd | -r--r--r-- 1 root 758 Sep 21 1991 defaults3_0.wmd | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 20 Feb 19 1991 .NeXTdefaults.D | | Thanks. | | | -- | Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition | University of California, Santa Barbara | Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu> I don't know but... Create a dummy new user account and check inside what files are created. Chance that newly created files are important in NS3.1. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to autolaunch CDPlayer when audio CD inserted? Date: 3 Aug 1993 19:22:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <23mdtu$hgf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <CB75K8.LDG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> In article <CB75K8.LDG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > > > I recently bought a used NeXTcube, which came with NS3.0 > > installed. I attached an Apple CD300 CD-ROM drive to > > it, and found that when I inserted an audio CD, the > > CDPlayer app launched automatically. Then I re-installed > > NS3.0 from scratch, including the Demonstration package > > (i.e. the CDPlayer app and the cdaudio.fs stuff), and > > CDPlayer will now no longer autolaunch as before. When > > I insert an audio CD, it gets ejected (after a bit of > > disk activity) and in console.log I get "cdaudio.util: > > could not open CDPlayer". I've tried making symlinks to > > /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer in some obvious > > places (/LocalLibrary and /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs), > > but nothing works. How do I get autolaunching of CDPlayer > > to work again?? > > I think you need to turn on the public window server. At least that is > required before it will work... > This should definitely be in the FAQ. If I am correct, three things are needed: 1) root ownership and suid bit on /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util 2) root ownership and suid bit on /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer 3) public window server enabled in Preferences->Unix Also, some people seem to believe that the sound is supposed to come out of the NeXT speakers. This is not so. You need to plug headphones or speakers into the CD-ROM drive itself. Hope this helps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: charles.herrick@amd.com Subject: comp.soft-sys.nextstep (was Re: Discussion on NeXTStep in Comp.sys.hp Message-ID: <1993Aug3.200712.2874@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Aug1.105217.1724@nidat.sub.org> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 20:07:12 GMT In article <1993Aug1.105217.1724@nidat.sub.org> Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) writes: > There is already comp.soft-sys.nextstep to discuss platform independent > matters or policy issues. this group is ludicrous, useless and duplicative. it looks just like comp.sys.next.announce. it should be removed asap. -- Chuck Herrick PO Box 18804 Austin, TX 78760-8804 (512) 462-6248 (w) (512) 462-4812 (FAX) (512) 480-0757 (h) <charles.herrick@amd.com>
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Mach on SGI (was: Intel GX Machines for NeXTStep 486) Date: 3 Aug 1993 21:05:54 GMT Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Sender: ratlifc@alexander (Christian A. Ratliff) Distribution: world Message-ID: <23mjvjINNmbh@ctron-news.ctron.com> References: <CA4oG4.Fur@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <226p5o$orf@disuns2.epfl.ch> <2294ci$pfe@umd5.umd.edu> <229n46$mcq@disuns2.epfl.ch> <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com> In article <233mt2$m9g@fido.asd.sgi.com>, rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller) writes: > matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > : > >I would be happy just having a Mach kernel on my SGI, for starters... > > Why? What features of the mach kernel do you wish to see in Irix? > Free access to the source of the OS? The msdos/bsd servers? --------- Christian Ratliff Cabletron Systems, Inc. EDGE System Developer Rochester, NH 03867 ratlifc@ctron.com <NeXTmail OK> Work: (603) 337-1209 "I'm a NeXTSTEP man; I'm an SGI guy." Home: (207) 780-NeXT Nobody at Cabletron knows, approves of, or recalls my opinions.
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pentium, anyone? Date: 3 Aug 1993 21:24:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ml35$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Has anybody installed or used NS/I on a Pentium system? The floating point performance of Pentium seems to be quite a lot better than the 486, which would be good for DPS and 3D graphics. ALR is selling Pentium systems now, and I believe they are listed in the compatibility guide (albeit for 486 systems). Does NS/I not run on Pentium at all? -- Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- I get autolaunching of CDPlayer > > to work again?? > > I think you need to turn on the public window server. At least that is > required before it will work... > This should definitely be in the FAQ. If I am correct, three things are needed: 1) root ownership and suid bit on /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util 2) root ownership and suid bit on /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer 3) public window server enabled in Preferences->Unix Also, some people seem to believe that the sound is supposed to com486 systems). Does NS/I not run on Pentium at all? -- Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- I get autolaunching of CDPlayer > > to work again?? > > I think you need to turn on the public window server. At least that is > required before it will work... > This should definitely be in the FAQ. If I am correct, three things are needed: 1) root ownership and suid bit on /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util 2) root ownership and suid bit on /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer 3) public window server enabled in Preferences->Unix Also, some people seem to believe that the sound is supposed to come out of the NeXT speakers. This is not so. You need to plug headphones or speakers into the CD-ROM drive itself. Hope this helps
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 3 Aug 1993 23:40:44 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23mt1t$10c@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Aug3.004446.25038@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) writes: > My guess is the opposite, that it's exactly the corporate users > who will pay $200 for a NewsGrazer product. So neither of us knows > for sure, but Jayson is stepping up to find out. He may make out > like a bandit or he may take it in the shorts. *I* don't expect > to buy the product, and I find rather peculiar (and offensive) > that other people who don't intend to buy it nonetheless find it > necessary not only to broadcast that fact but to call Jayson's > character into question. While several people have expressed their feelings about the price, I don't think anyone has "called Jason's character into question". It seems to me that I've been one of the more vocal folks expressing disappointment at the price, but if you can find anything in any of my remarks (at any time, going back to the release of NewsGrazer) which "calls Jason's character into question", I will most certainly apologize for it. Jason & company have always done a fine job by me, as far as the programs I have used from them. I wish I could express my opinion about the price, without people pretending that I've got some beef with Jayson. I just don't think NG Pro will be successful at that price. I'll be more than happy to be proved wrong (and I'm sure that Millenium will be even happier than me if NG Pro is a rousing success! :-). note: follow-ups to csn.advocacy -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 19:13:10 GMT Having recently acquired SimonSays, we'd like to get feedback on which microphones (headset and other) that people have used with the product. We get asked from time to time for recommendations and we'd like to hear what people that have actually tried them have to say. Plese e-mail me directly. Thanks! Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug3.234545.7958@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1294@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:45:45 GMT Glenn Reid writes | Ivo Welch writes | > To use my academic background, proper software pricing fits nicely | > into the theory of industrial organization, or more to be more | > precise, into the theory of "discriminatory pricing." | > ... | Imagine software sales in which you charge the customer based on their | marginal utility. If you use the product very little, the price should | be low, and if you use the product all day long, the price should be high. | | ... | | The difficulty is in verifying someone's "marginal utility". Once people | figure out how you price it, the game is over. | | There is no reasonable way to be fair in pricing based on usage. You have | to distribute your pricing across the average customer, and the ones who | use the product every day for their productivity will get a great deal, | whereas the occasional user will pay too much. You might be interested to know that Brad Cox (the same Brad Cox, I'm pretty sure) has a proposal for pricing with exactly this character. The stated motivation is creation of a market for objects, as distinct from applications. Users would incur charges for use of an object on the basis of usage (say, on a monthly basis). This for the purpose of preserving incentives for authors of object software (and in turn to encourage reusability, efficiency in the software process, etc.). I don't think it's practical. If you want, I can probably dig up a copy. Tom
From: pierce@cantrell.tamu.edu (Pierce Cantrell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What program would generate these errors? Date: 3 Aug 1993 23:50:30 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <23mtk6$5hk@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <23jk2r$o8n@hub.ucsb.edu> In article <23jk2r$o8n@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > The following series of error messages just showed up in > my console: > > Deroff: dbadata.ex: No such file or directory > Deroff: dbadlen.ex: No such file or directory > Deroff: dbaltbind.ex: No such file or directory > They come from doing a Digital Librarian search for anything in the Developer Documentation using the Index on the CD-ROM. I don't know if you also get them if you installed the Developer Documentation on disk. -- Pierce E. Cantrell | cantrell@ee.tamu.edu Department of Electrical Engineering | Texas A&M University | tel: (409) 845-7441 College Station, Texas 77843-3128 | fax: (409) 845-6259
From: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Gray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Special Color Ink Jet Printer Paper? Date: 4 Aug 1993 00:01:16 GMT Organization: Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX Message-ID: <23mu8d$mac@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <1993Aug3.134902.252@stone.com> Keywords: Color Laser Paper In article <1993Aug3.134902.252@stone.com> andrew@stone.com writes: >Does anyone know a source to Canon's SP-1015 LTR ink jet paper, or an >equivalent? > >None of the paper houses around here have any, and it's remarkable how >much better output looks on the special coated paper as compared to >standard paper. > >Thanks! > >andrew We get ours from a local place: BRITCO 8179 ALMEDA HOUSTON, TX 77054 (713) 748-8405 Contact: Barbara Stock Number: Canon # F51-1181-200 Description: box of treated 8 1/2"x11" paper for bubble jet 800 series color printer (200 sheets) $17.90 (that was our price/box in Jan 93) -- Rick Gray, Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx 77030 | Phone:(713)798-3346|Internet: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu NeXTMail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <1993Aug4.002207.8219@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <SPETERS.93Aug2183201@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 00:22:07 GMT Stephen Peters writes | (Tom M. Blenko) writes: | > Stephen Peters writes | > | The main purchasers of a newsreader are going to be academic and | > | corporate users, and I personally think that you'll see both areas | > | getting large chunks of the pie. | > | > I would be interested to know why you say this | > "academic/hacker" market plays any (significant) | > role... | | Like I said, it's a personal opinion. In my experience, academic | users *will* buy, if they think it's worth the price -- otherwise, | they'll stick with a free solution. (Of course, they usually evaulate | `worth the price' a bit lower than other markets -- one reason why | academic discounts are so low) (of course, they usually evaulate | `worth the price' a bit lower than other markets -- one reason why | academic discounts are so low) I suggest an alternative explanation for academic discounts -- to paraphrase a software marketer of long standing (not of NeXTstep software), campuses are absolute hotbeds of software piracy. Andrew Stone put it somewhat more politely in announcing his academic discounts (sometime after the original products came to market). | > Great. So I have an exercise for all the naysayers. Show us | > a business plan in which a NewsGrazer-like product sold | > at $49 starts to look profitable in 12-24 months. Don't | > forget to estimate all your costs! | | Well, for the same reason that you and I can't agree on the size of | the corporate market, I'm going to avoid attempting this. I tend to | think that, in this case, cutting the price by 3/4 will result in 4 | times the sales, but it is fairly clear you disagree with that | assumption. As you said (in part of your posting that I excised), | Jayson's "stepping up" to find out if the market can support the | higher price. I *do* wish him luck, although I have my doubts. OK, so I'll do it myself. For documentation, production, and overhead it will cost about $15/unit shipped. Distribution will run 40-50% of the purchase price. You are now seeing $10/unit shipped. There are maybe 50,000 NeXT machines out there. I doubt any third party product for the NeXT has shipped more than 10,000 units (and clearly the NewsGrazer market will be smaller than for some other applications). Therefore your budget for the first 10,000 units is $100,000 which, in round figures, is about what a major company would figure that a programmer capable of producing something like NewsGrazer costs them for a year (the programmer, of course, doesn't see it all is his or her paycheck). Then there's promotion! Out of your corporate bank account you pay a couple of hundred bucks a month times 12 months/year. If all your sales are made in one year, this comes to maybe $2-3/unit sold. And still this overestimates the budget because there is a substantial risk of not reaching sales of 10,000 (a very substantial risk, I would say) for which the entreprenuer needs to be paid in the long run (else it's not a busines). The small business owner is working significantly harder than the company programmer, of course, in between reading messages day after day on this forum from people who are neither producers nor customers offering free advice and occasionally a bit more... Face it, folks, nothing is profitable at $49 in the NeXT market. If the volume were out there, there would be lots of producers and I trust the prices would look like PC prices. But it simply isn't there. And I sure haven't heard of a soul who has gotten rich producing third-party software for NeXTstep. So if anyone thinks they have a way of making a business out of it, and they're willing to step up to the plate, I say "Good for them, and good luck to them." Tom
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <1297@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 Aug 93 02:04:18 GMT References: <23mt1t$10c@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Garance A. Drosehn writes > While several people have expressed their feelings about the price, I don't > think anyone has "called Jayson's character into question". Well *someone* should call Jayson's character into question :-) Come to think of it, now is probably as good a time as any. *Somebody* needs to do it :-) Seems to me he's a pretty weird guy. He puts Three Stooges sound bites into his examples, knows way too much about old Star Trek episodes, and his mother dresses him funny. I remember a night after NeXTWORLD Expo when several of us NeXT developer types were walking along toward some restaurant, all resplendent in our three-piece Italian suits and everything, when suddenly I realized I had a NeXT-formatted floppy disk in my suit pocket. "What a nerd," I thought. But then I looked around, noticed that I was walking with Jayson Adams, Keith Ohlfs, and Ken Fromm, and on impulse pulled the floppy out of my pocket and said, "okay, how many of you nerds have floppy disks in your suit pockets?!" Of course all of us did, but Jayson actually had several of them, even an Extended Density disk! Sheesh. So I don't think it's completely out of question to call his character into question. I'm sure he'll post something with NewsGrazer Pro calling MY character into question, as well.... :-) :-) for the humor-impaired. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bogdan@eecs.nwu.edu (Bogdan Vacaliuc) Subject: Re: SLIP server at BaNG Message-ID: <CB7tBF.Gnn@eecs.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@eecs.nwu.edu Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University References: <23hqdn$l28@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1993Aug2.025629.10240@csus.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 03:21:15 GMT |> In article <23hqdn$l28@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu |> (Gary Chang) writes: |> > I'll to Santa Clara near San Jose in a bout a month. I'm |> >desperately seeking a SLIP server locally. I seem to remeber reading one |> >of the benefits of joining BaNG is to get free SLIP connection. In my wanderings on the Internet, I have found that a company on the west coast provides access to the Internet: netcom.com You can anonymous ftp (ftp.netcom.com ?) and get subscription information. Fee's are something like $20/month, and I remember seeing SLIP in there... I think that any free access will be limited to e-mail only. -bogdan
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: News Reader WishList (was: Millennium Announces NewsGrazer Pro) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 4 Aug 1993 03:48:54 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23nbj6$6tk@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> In the thread "Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP" mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) wrote: > I would like to propose a different view on this thread. What > would be required, short of a direct neural interface to the net, > to convince people to purchase Newsgrazer Pro at the RSP of $200? > What's on net.users' wish list, beyond MAB? > > I would ask that the following kinds of functionality would be included: > - bundled UUCP/SLIP connection management for email > as well as news, as well as a news server/backend > - intelligent ftp'ing of files, similar to GatorFTP.app, > with the ability to double-click on a line and parse it > into server and file location and grab it in the background... > - organizational features like News2mbox.app as well as > MailSearch.app, including true threading of mail > - terminal emulation enabling other kinds of connectivity > (compuserve, aol, etc.) > > Now, I already have most if not all of this with the bundled apps > and shareware/freeware that goes with black hardware. The choice > for me will be determined by the feature set and usuablity of > the above. I personally wish Jayson and his team well. He > deserves thanks for the original NG. Seems to me this reaction got lost in the discussion of other issues, and I think it's a useful question to ask. I don't see that any newsreader needs to handle FTP, UUCP/SLIP connection management, or terminal emulation (certainly not for a $200 product). Same with news server implementation. All I'm expecting is a sharp newsreader... I'd easily pay $100 for a NewsGrazer replacement which was like NewsGrazer, and also: 1) fixed up some article-handling bugs (a few articles cause NG to hang up, a few others cause NG to exit sideways). 2) fix up bugs in article sorting. Sometime the sorts are wrong, and sometimes sorting a newsgroup will cause NG to quit. Also it needs to be less sensitive to minor changes in the subject when sorting. 3) better use of threads -- in the programming sense. Our usenet hub is a piece of, well, let's just say it has some performance problems at times. There are times where NG will hang up waiting for a response from the server (NNTP connection), and thus makes it impossible to type into any article window. The problem here is really with our usenet hub, but it'd be worth $100 to me for an NG follow-on that behaved better over a slow NNTP connection. What would have to be added to get me up to $200? Hmm, not sure. Better integration with email would help a lot. Right now I collect info from both usenet and email (including email which is related to usenet articles I've already saved), and I hate having those end up in two places. This is the main reason I've always hoped NeXT itself would support NewsGrazer to the same extent it does for Mail.app. It seems to me that these are two applications that have very similar uses and benefits. Ability to find things after they are saved would be nice. Millenium has been interested in information-processing questions like this, so it wouldn't be suprising if they have something up their sleeve in this area. I guess I could use WAIStation for both of these things, but I've never quite figured out how to take advantage of WAIStation (I usually give up after fiddling with it for an hour or so). MIME support would be nice, although we haven't really gotten into MIME here at RPI yet. I'm not even sure that MIME is solidified enough to implement, but given that NG Pro is being written from scratch, I'm not sure that it's worth the effort to implement the rich-text support that NG had (unless it's pretty easy to do...). If the rich-text support is done, there are a few rough edges in the current NG implementation which should be addressed. Other people have asked for threaded newsreaders, but I've never used one so I don't know how useful that would be. And to give Jayson *less* work to do (thus perhaps justifying a lower price for NG Pro), what kind of news-configuration options do people need? At RPI we're moving more and more towards NNTP configurations (instead of NFS-mounting the spool directory and using flat files), and all Mac newsreaders work via NNTP. Would an NNTP-only newsreader do the job? In a separate article (on a different topic), Eric P Scott notes: eps| WARNING to NewsGrazer users: NewsGrazer (the free one) doesn't eps| implement the NNTP protocol properly. Any lines you see eps| beginning with .. should only have one . at the beginning. eps| If you copy this text from a NG window you will need to strip eps| the extraneous .s yourself. (For $200 NG Pro better fix this!) I could probably think up a few more things that would make me feel good about spending $200 for a newsreader, but I have to head home sometime soon so I'll post this to see what kinds of wish lists other people have. Similar to the sentiments that Michael and others have expressed, I also wish Millenium the best of luck with this endevor. Note I'm making the assumption of NewsGrazer functionality as a base starting point... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for C-Kermit(5A)189 source/binary for NeXTSTEP v2.x Message-ID: <69996@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 4 Aug 93 03:28:14 GMT References: <1993Aug2.044431.23145@umr.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 the definitive site for kermit is watson.columbia.edu in the /pub/kermit/bin directory there are executables for NEXTSTEP on both black and white hardware, as well as many other machines. source is around there somewhere too, and a man page+user manual somewhere too. you have to check the READ.ME files to decipher their strange file name conventions - designed to keep them within the 8 char limit of some primitive program loaders. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bogdan@eecs.nwu.edu (Bogdan Vacaliuc) Subject: NSFIP Graphics System Performance Message-ID: <CB7us3.H0C@eecs.nwu.edu> Keywords: jaws, qvision, dell, compaq, nsfip, graphics, performance Sender: usenet@eecs.nwu.edu Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 03:52:51 GMT Hello All, Checking through the previous posts, I didn't see this topic addressed. I'd like to know if anyone has had experience with the Intel JAWS and Compaq QVision graphics systems running NextStep. The tech support at Dell claimed a marked performance increase over the S3-805 local bus system. Nobody at Compaq had any experience, and some did'nt even know what NextStep was! I tried getting the scoop from NeXT, but they were tight-lipped due to contract agreements, etc. etc... Anyway, I think this is an important question, especially for me, since I've got to make a decision about one system over another practically immediately. So far, our experience with graphics systems has been difficult. We got the Dell 466/ME system, with (I had spec'd an S3-805 EISA card with 2MB) a S3-928 EISA card with 2MB. The local bus video was unused. While NextStep installed and ran, it would only do 640x480 B/W (not surprising!), what was surprising was that window movements (dragging a window, scrolling) was quite (intolerably) slow and choppy. Removing the card and enabling the on-board S3-805 (albeit with 512K std memory), did nothing to enhance this. My conclusion: S3-805 cannot perform satisfactorily as a graphics system for NextStep. Perhaps I am a little hasty, but I can't beleive that if low-res performs poorly, high res will do any better. Also, the screen refresh rates of this system at high-res will ruin your eyes in time. The Jaws system reportedly has 66Hz refresh at 1152x900 (maybe better at NeXT's 1120x832), while QVision has 72Hz at 1280x1024 ( !!!! ). If anybody can elaborate on their experiences with these and other graphics systems, I would be very happy. I would be ecstatic if they would do so in the next 12 hours! I would make a donation to their favorite charity if they called me tomorrow!!! Whew! -bogdan (bogdan@eecs.nwu.edu) (708) 864-9176 Home (-8:00am CDT) (708) 491-1165 Work (8:30am+ CDT)
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to autolaunch CDPlayer when audio CD inserted? Date: 4 Aug 1993 04:49:07 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: world Message-ID: <23nf43INNdon@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <CB75K8.LDG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <23mdtu$hgf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <23mdtu$hgf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: >This should definitely be in the FAQ. If I am correct, >three things are needed: > >1) root ownership and suid bit on > /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util >2) root ownership and suid bit on > /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer >3) public window server enabled in Preferences->Unix On my 3.1 black system, #3 isn't required to autolaunch, but I can't start up CDPlayer manually and have it find my CD-ROM drive. I have hard disks at SCSI 0 and 1 which seems to be significant as well. And the only defaults database variable that seems to affect my CDPlayer is Volume; CDDrive is ignored. It's all kind of a mystery to me. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: Abandoning Next? (was Third Party Software Pricing) Message-ID: <2C5F3DD8.7318@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <1993Aug3.110002.15128@infolog.se> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 04:40:55 GMT Hans Becker writes > Glenn Reid writes: > >NeXT does not advertise to, market to, or even encourage individual > >users. They do not compete against Macintosh, they do not compete > >against Windows, they do not compete against Atari or any other > >single-user desktop environment. They compete for large network > >sales to corporations who develop their own in-house apps. These > >companies may or may not want a copy of TIFFany or RightBrain Rulers or > >Lotus Improv or whatever. > > Bad signs. When will RightBrain and other Next dedicated software houses > abandon the Next platform? Is there still any financial incentive left > for these companies to write innovative third party apps? Few of the large, mission-critical shops buy NextStep for all those seats without considering some productivity apps (spreadsheets, databases, word processors, presentation packages, etc.) as well. Unlike a few years ago, no mission-critical custom application/system can make it without combining with productivity apps. I wonder, though. With NS 3.2 making running DOS/Windows apps a pretty reasonable proposition, will those productivity apps come from that (dark) side and run inside NextStep GUI? Will the innovative, sound, and worthy NS apps all of a sudden be in pretty direct competition with the hoard of PC apps? What will be the edge? What about the (frequently amusing) prices for NS apps? I also worry. When I bid the project I now perform (pre-hardware drop, pre-NS/FIP shipping, pre-NS 3.1) we were to interface to two NS products known for good sales and early NeXT support. Both products are no longer being interfaced because of marketing decisions they have made. Both effectively took their energy in other directions. If the once strong guys are retreating does this mean the newer, more innovative guys have a vacuum to fill or is Glen telling the tale? Our startup, Gemstone Systems, was formed to develop, market, and support world class products for NextStep. When NeXT changed directions and caused problems, we re-evaluated and took off in the contractor direction. We will still release some world class products (at least the one we just about shipped before the February "suprise"), but the writing on the wall appears to say: Go for the mission-critical custom apps in 1993 and 1994. Mark R. Thomsen TRW and Gemstone Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@aardvark.rain.com (Chris Lamb) Subject: Gateway 2000, chickens, and eggs. Help! Message-ID: <CB7uv8.1LC@aardvark.rain.com> Summary: If it ain't one thing, it's another Keywords: hang boot kill maim destroy pull out hair Organization: Steve's UNIX System, Portland, Oregon Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 03:54:43 GMT I'm trying to install NeXTSTEP for Intel on a Gateway 2000 4DX2/66V and it just ain't happenin'. I gots the new BIOS, so I know about the keyboard thing. I disabled the floppy on the Adaptec board, and plugged the drive into the motherboard. I removed the stupid non-SCSI CD-ROM card, removed the Pro Audio sound card, disconnected the modem and printer, went through the BIOS setup and have tried to get this thing down to a reasonable "bare minimum." I boot from the NeXT floppy. It churns away for a while and gets to Registering: fc0 and hangs. If I eject the floppy after it resets the SCSI bus, it gets past that point, and says root on sd1 rootdev 608, howto 0 and hangs. If I boot from the floppy, and don't mount the CD-ROM in the drive, then whether I leave the the floppy in or not, I get RDP exception blah blah blah ... press 'c' to continue... and it loops endlessly, asking me to press c to continue. It does see the CD-ROM drive and the hard disk when it probes the bus, and does tell me that the CD has a valid label. (I even checked for a "fogged" CD, as someone recently warned about. :-) The CD-ROM has been at ID 1 and ID 6, with no difference in (mis)behavior. :-) I've tried everything; screwed with all the jumper settings on the disk (Seagate 500MB) the CD-ROM drive (a SONY CDU-8012 rev 3.1a, from a Sun shoebox) and the Adaptec board. Of course, I did this *one tweak at a time*, so I've rebooted this damn machine at least 70 or 80 times. (BONUS POINTS: Is there a way to disable the bloody memory test on startup? :-) I even thought that I was just being impatient; it seemed to be making floppy noises, so I left the room, and hoped it was just being slow. Teeth have been nashed, heads scratched, possibilities pondered. HELP!! I *know* there are folks out there that reported this same problem, but I missed the solution (if one was posted). I *know* that there are successful Gateway installs, so hopefully someone out there can give me some tips. Thanks, -- Chris -- Chris Lamb, Sr. Alchemist chris@alchemy.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) Subject: Re: Postscript dumps Message-ID: <dgursky.744398973@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <CB5CMM.IvI@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 17:29:33 GMT dgursky@andi.org (David M. Gursky) writes: >Is it possible to easily create a PostScript dump of a file on a NeXT >that includes the fonts? I have a couple documents that use fonts >other than the "35 standard" fonts commonly found in PostScript >printers that I would like to print remotely. Okay, I feel like a complete idiot, or close to it. For those of you who asked how to do this, it is incredibly easy. When you print the document and hit the "Save" button instead of the "Print" button, the dialog panel will contain a pop-up menu with three options: Normal Device Independent PostScript, Device Dependent PostScript, and Device Dependent PostScript And Fonts. --- David M. Gursky MIME and NeXTMail accepted Synex, Inc. e-mail: dgursky@andi.org 5950 Symphony Woods Road voice: (301) 621-5732 Columbia, MD 21044 fax: (301) 621-6005
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stefan@initiera2 (Stefan Kruger) Subject: NSFIP - Problems w/ CirrusLogic Message-ID: <1993Aug4.081303.5068@sics.se> Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 08:13:03 GMT Hi, My graphics card seems to start up in the wrong resolution. His configuration: 50Mhz 486 AMI bios CirrusLogic GD542 1Mb VRAM MicroScan 4G ADI Screen The screen goes all flickery just as if the card uses a much higher resolution than the screen. The system works fine running Windoze, but when NeXTSTEP is up the little display on the screen says that the card not properly tells the screen what resolution is being used. Any ideas ? /Stefan (stefan@initiera.upnet.se)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Which of the following .NeXT dir files are obsolete? Message-ID: <1993Aug4.074454.19814@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 07:44:54 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <1993Aug3.144204.4976@CAM.ORG!planon> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <1993Aug3.144204.4976@CAM.ORG!planon> writes: > In article <23k62q$6bv@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > | Under NeXT OS 3.1, which if any of the following files are obsolete, assuming > | that all my machines are black NeXTs running 3.1? > | > | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 8192 Jul 30 10:44 .NeXTdefaults.L > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 790 Jul 30 10:44 defaults3_1.wmd > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7054 Jul 30 10:39 suffixes3_1.m68k.wmd > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 22439 Jul 30 10:39 apps3_0.wmd > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7877 Jul 30 09:34 suffixes3_0.wmd > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 0 Dec 13 1992 ConsoleFilter > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 237 Dec 11 1992 .dir.wmd > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 797 Dec 11 1992 defaults.wmd > | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11197 Dec 11 1992 appcache.wmd > | -r--r--r-- 1 root 758 Sep 21 1991 defaults3_0.wmd > | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 20 Feb 19 1991 .NeXTdefaults.D > | > | Thanks. > | > | > | -- > | Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 > | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition > | University of California, Santa Barbara > | Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu> > > I don't know but... > > Create a dummy new user account and check inside what files are created. Chance that > newly created files are important in NS3.1. .. or simply check the contents of the directories in /usr/template/user. These are copied to a new account when creating it. Of main interest will be the directory .NeXT. -Robert -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: UnixWare install with Sun CDROM Message-ID: <CB81uo.DFH@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <23j91q$2l2@bird.usl.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 06:25:35 GMT djm@voyager.usl.com (Dennis J. Metzger) writes: > I have installed both the PE and AS on a 486 Dell system via a Sun CD-ROM drive attached to > a DPT 2012, Adaptec 1542 and an Adaptec 1740 (in standard mode, then installed the ADSE package > and accessed the drive in Enhanced Mode). All the combinations worked for me 8-). Does anyone know if it will work with a NeXT (genuine black) CD-ROM drive? Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug4.092437.5076@oneworld.wa.com> Organization: OneWorld Enterprises/OneWorld Computing Resources References: <1993Aug1.040406.1714@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 09:24:37 GMT I disagree that supply and demand doesn't hold here. This has been an vexing "economics problem" from the GetGo... The NEXT platform is not B D quite a traditional workstation, and it's not quite a PC. Software such as Sybase and ORacle have hefty price tags and users who are former PC'ers scream. Software such as Wordperfect insults the user's sense of value in it being generations behind the current offerings on other platforms and they wonder why it doesn't sell well. Companies recognize that the installed base for NEXT is not huge and that the mix between traditional corporate users and "enthusiast" is a hard one to gage for pricing. I believe that this product is of specific interest to the "enthusiast" segement of the market and given that, there are pricing factors that should be considered. Enthusiasts still have a PC software view of things. i.e. go down to the local EGGhead and plop down your 99.95 and gets your software shrinkwraped package. Another factor is the shareware/ftp archives and freeware mentality prevalent amongst the enthusiast segment of the Next community. I beleive the corporate market for a news reading product would be marginal at best and that the bulk of revenues to be realized for this product will come from non-corporate sources. The resounding response in this forum is that the $299 price is completely out of the ball park of what people would even consider to pay for this type of software and functionality. A few price points ($50 etc) have been mentioned. It seems that this package will sell well if priced under $100. I would guess that upwards of 10,000 copies could be sold of this in the non-corporate segment of the NEXT market. At $50 a whack, that's half a million dollars. I'd say, Jayson wouldn't be starving at that rate. I would estimate around a 500-1000 copies at the $299 price and not primarily among the non-corporate users. So, I would add my voice to the chorus asking that Millenium reconsider it s pricing structure for this product as there is obviously a great interest in this long awaited product, but ONLY at a certain price level. I'm happy to use tin in a terminal window until a good value product comes along.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: NSFIP on Zeos Message-ID: <1993Aug4.094004.5196@oneworld.wa.com> Organization: OneWorld Enterprises/OneWorld Computing Resources References: <69967@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 09:40:04 GMT I don't think I was the original poster but I have had NO luck in installing on a ZEOS computer. And as a side note, I've had horrible customer service problems with ZEOS on other matters. I've concluded there are bios based incompatibilities between ZEOS and NS/FIP. So, I'm off to buy another computer or motherboard.... Charles Cooper Gregory Baratoff (baratoff@cfar.umd.edu) wrote: : : A while ago somebody asked whether NSFIP would run on a ZEOS 486/66 : system. I don't remember who that was, nor have I seen any replies on : the net. Anybody care to comment ? : While we're at it : Zeos offers an on-board SCSI adapter (controller ?). : Can it be used for NSFIP ? : : Thanks, Greg. : : ****************************************************************************** : * Gregory Baratoff e-mail : baratoff@cfar.umd.edu * : * Center for Automation Research * : * University of Maryland * : * College Park, MD 20742 * : ****************************************************************************** :
From: enyaw@quark.uucp (Wayne Simila-Dickinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <znr744391121k@quark.uucp> Date: 3 Aug 93 15:18:41 GMT Article-I.D.: quark.znr744391121k References: <23htsq$10d@digifix.digifix.com> Organization: Wayne's World (hiz home) In article <23htsq$10d@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: > > Glenn Reid writes > >Those platforms also have a lot more volume. If you don't like > >the price, don't buy it. You say that "at $200 it is not likely > >that NewsGrazer Pro will sell a lot of copies." That's for > >Millennium to decide. > > Actually, no. Its up to the customer to decide whether or not > they will buy it. The customer will decide if at $200 it will sell alot of > copies or not. > Exactly! Let's look a Microphone Pro. The (NeXTConnection) price started at $279, it now sells for $99. If it doesn't sell well at the suggested $199, the market will correct itself. If a person REALLY wants NG he/she will pay $199. If you (generic you) aren't willing, then wait for the price to drop (assuming it will), or find another (cheaper?) solution. Personally, I'm waiting and using a DOS app (ZipNews Reader), my choice. Don't brow beat Millennium for filling a niche. -- ============================================================================== quark!enyaw@efn.org -- (Wayne Simila-Dickinson) -- Wayne's World (hiz home...) Chehalis,WA Internet Mail/USENET site -- System Administrator -- 206-748-9878 ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Intelligent FTP? Use ALEX... Message-ID: <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> Sender: usenet@enea.se Organization: ENEA DATA AB, Stockholm, Sweden References: <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 10:53:29 GMT In article <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > My idea of intelligent ftp'ing is the ability to map ftp sites onto the >file-system, with directory and possibly even file cacheing. > > You guys don't think big enough! Why don't you get the alex "file system"? It does exactly that; maps ftp sites into the file system so that you can do cp, ls, etc on it. Usually it's mounted as /alex and then if you want to get a copy of for example ftp.next.com:/pub/README then you could cd to /alex/com/next/ftp/pub and do 'cp README ~' or something similar. Now if you have alex running on your NeXT then you can of course use the File Manager to do this. > -Matt -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mihe@enea.se /// Box 232 /// S-183 23 Taby TEL : +46 8 792-2500 \\\/// SWEDEN TFX : +46 8 768-4388 \XX/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: UUCP and sending messages at certain times Message-ID: <1993Aug3.173431.3573@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 17:34:31 GMT My modem is on my regular phone line. I poll my service provider when I know that I am not going to be on the phone, then automatically at night. This is the question: Often, I want to send a large (.5 MB) file to someone. The problem is that I usually create the message to send this during the day, but i don't want to tie up the phone during the day. I would rather have the message to be delivered at night. I have read about the ability to have UUCP send different priority files at different times. Can anyone give any pointers into that, or into any other options that might make sense. Thansk Wes Spears -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new mail app? Date: 4 Aug 1993 08:00:37 -0500 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <23obtl$64p@valinor.cubetech.com> References: <23cano$a8l@agate.berkeley.edu> <1993Aug1.184823.6970@xexos.com> In article <1993Aug1.184823.6970@xexos.com> mark@xexos.com writes: >In article <23cano$a8l@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi >Ohzawa) writes: >> Will this have a documented API to encryption bundles? >> It doesn't have to contain an encryption module itself, just a >> documented mechanism to use one. >It has a complete API that allows you to replace or add-in mail modules, and >address panels. I can't see us bunlding one, but the encryption module would >(hopefully) be trivial. Please don't forget to support things like signatures and multiple recipients in your encryption API. These are important features that were left out of the Mail.app encryption API. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis finger me for my pgp public key
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 04 Aug 93 09:20:52 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: na Message-ID: <jmd.93Aug492052@dale> References: <239bj7$f1b@cs.ubc.ca> <CB0puJ.3v6@infoserv.com> <23edot$pto@news.mic.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > > I also would pay $50-$100 for a good, solid, supported Newsreader. > Jayson Adams has produced some wonderful software, and I am sure > NG-Pro would be worth that much. Of course, at $200, I think there > will be very few purchasers. But, given that NG-Pro is still > vaporware, Jayson has time to reconsider. > > As to anyone contemplating writing a shareware/PD newsreader, let me > suggest him/her to look at NewsBase at the archives first. It is an > almost functional newsreader under the Gnu license. It needs some > fixing up (compile fails under 3.1), and some documentation. I also > don't like the separation of command window and reader window, but > fixing this would require a lot of work. In any case, work on NB would > be a very valuable service to the NeXT community (especially the > NS/Intel subset) for a programmer with NS knowledge. This is being posted with NewsBase 3.0r2 It compiled just fine under NS3.1, with a couple of tweaks (removing #include<libc.h>) to the jpeg section, which is susposed to be the generic jpeg library. Also, it would not produce a FAT binary version, due to the jpeg stuff, I'm not knowledgable enough to modify that makefile to generate and use both archs. It is a two part program, the browser, and the reader, and the browser did compile FAT just fine. A few rough edges, and "odd" interface decision, but a fully operational, MIME/multi-media package. NewsGrazer better be VERY good, now! > > /ivo > > > PS: I do not know much about either system programming or NeXT > programming. Still, even I once managed to get NB to run in about a > day's effort, but then lost my mods in a crash. > Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stefan@initiera2 (Stefan Kruger) Subject: Default settings in 'Format' menu Message-ID: <1993Aug4.140558.840@sics.se> Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:05:58 GMT Hi, the 'Page Layout' under the Format menu seems to always default to 'Letter'. We're using a HP4M printer, and would like the format to default to A4 instead. Is there any way of setting this default ? Thanx Stefan (stefan@initiera.upnet.se)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcg@world.std.com (Joan C Goodkind) Subject: [Q] Can NeXT do UTP and BNC at the same time? Message-ID: <CB8ns4.MoE@world.std.com> Summary: Can the NeXT cube do BNC and UTP at the same time? Keywords: NeXT< UTP and BNC Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:19:15 GMT Can the NeXT cube use both BNC and UTP connections at the same time? We have a BNC based network connected to the NeXT Cube, and want to include the network into a main Twisted Pair Netowrk. Can the NeXT cube do both Twisted Pair AND Thin-coax at the same time? If not, from all the docs the NeXT Cube can just plug right into a TP hub, but one person is saying this will not work... Can a NeXT Cube be plugged directly into a twisted pair hub without any extra equipment? Thanks for any information. Jim jcg@world.std.com
Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail From: lp@shlink.hanse.de (Lutz Petersen) Subject: Re: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! References: <OIYFBCFR@math.fu-berlin.de> Organization: Hanse-Networking & SubNet-SH Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 19:10:19 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug3.191019.20621@shlink.hanse.de> Distribution: Germany heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) writes: : eike@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eike Dierks) writes: : : [600kb Mails..] : : Wobei hoffentlich jedem klar ist, dass es grober Unfug ist, Mails dieser : Groessenordnung ueber WiN-, Transatlantik- oder UUCP-Leitungen zu schicken! Warum ? Gibt es immer noch technische Probleme ? Mir ist das eigentlich unklar, jeder smail kann das. -- ## (u)NixPoint v0.99pl? ##
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Special Color Ink Jet Printer Paper? Message-ID: <1993Aug4.145938.5088@altsys.com> Keywords: Color Laser Paper Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1993Aug3.134902.252@stone.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:59:38 GMT In article <1993Aug3.134902.252@stone.com> andrew@stone.com writes: >Does anyone know a source to Canon's SP-1015 LTR ink jet paper, or an >equivalent? > >None of the paper houses around here have any, and it's remarkable how >much better output looks on the special coated paper as compared to >standard paper. > >Thanks! > >andrew > >-- >||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| >!! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! >!! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! >||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| I have used "generic" ink jet paper with excellent results. I went down to the local Bizniz Things R Us and bought some lableled for HP ink jets and it was almost as good as the wackily overpriced paper from Canon. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: Abandoning Next? (was Third Party Software Pricing) Message-ID: <1993Aug4.134748.1148@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <2C5F3DD8.7318@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:47:48 GMT In article <2C5F3DD8.7318@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes: | I wonder, though. With NS 3.2 making running DOS/Windows apps a | pretty reasonable proposition, will those productivity apps come from | that (dark) side and run inside NextStep GUI? Will the innovative, sound, | and worthy NS apps all of a sudden be in pretty direct competition | with the hoard of PC apps? What will be the edge? What about the | (frequently amusing) prices for NS apps? One thing NeXT software companies could do is to start working together more in order to raise the amount of interoperation between their apps. Services are nice, but I think there's a lot more potential. In order to prevent the use of DOS/windows apps over NeXT apps, the NeXT apps will have to offer something that the DOS/Windows apps don't. Also, since NeXT is going after the mission-critical app crowd, a good API could do wonders. If your app can be worked into a mission-critical app in some way, that's a position no DOS/Windows app could displace you from. If the developers use Mesa's API and palette in their in-house apps, it's a pretty good bet they won't buy Excel for the users. -- #define jon "Jonathan W. Hendry" #define address <jon@afs.com> #import <afs/disclaimer.h>
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What program would generate these errors? -- more information Date: 4 Aug 1993 16:19:15 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <23oni3$it2@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <23jk2r$o8n@hub.ucsb.edu> In article <23jk2r$o8n@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: ] The following series of error messages just showed up in my console: ] ] Deroff: dbadata.ex: No such file or directory ] Deroff: dbadlen.ex: No such file or directory [etc., etc.] ] ] What might have caused these, and what is their significance? ] I have partially answered this question. The .ex files are example code intended to be included in nroff files which are part of the Sybase documentation. For example, the file /NextLibrary/Documentation/Sybase/DBLIB/Section2/dbadata.nr contains the following lines about midway through the file: Here's a short program fragment which illustrates the use of \f2dbadata()\fP: ta +4n +4n +4n +4n +4n +4n SD so dbadata.ex ED Bl Unfortunately, the Deroff program (in Digital Librarian) that reads the .nr file does not seem to know the current working directory of the files, and so it is unable to include the .ex file, giving the error instead. Anybody had problems similar to this with any other documentation? -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Which of the following .NeXT dir files are obsolete? Date: 4 Aug 1993 16:22:39 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <23onof$j3p@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <1993Aug4.074454.19814@urz.unibas.ch> In article <1993Aug4.074454.19814@urz.unibas.ch> writes: ] In article <1993Aug3.144204.4976@CAM.ORG!planon> writes: ] > In article <23k62q$6bv@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas ] Scott) writes: ] > | Under NeXT OS 3.1, which if any of the following files are obsolete, ] assuming ] > | that all my machines are black NeXTs running 3.1? ] > | ] > | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 8192 Jul 30 10:44 .NeXTdefaults.L ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 790 Jul 30 10:44 defaults3_1.wmd ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7054 Jul 30 10:39 suffixes3_1.m68k.wmd ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 22439 Jul 30 10:39 apps3_0.wmd ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 7877 Jul 30 09:34 suffixes3_0.wmd ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 0 Dec 13 1992 ConsoleFilter ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 237 Dec 11 1992 .dir.wmd ] > | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 797 Dec 11 1992 defaults.wmd ] > | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11197 Dec 11 1992 appcache.wmd ] > | -r--r--r-- 1 root 758 Sep 21 1991 defaults3_0.wmd ] > | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 20 Feb 19 1991 .NeXTdefaults.D ] > ] > I don't know but... ] > ] > Create a dummy new user account and check inside what files are created. ] Chance that ] > newly created files are important in NS3.1. ] ] ... or simply check the contents of the directories in /usr/template/user. ] These are copied to a new account when creating it. ] ] Of main interest will be the directory .NeXT. Interestingly, the template directory's .NeXT directory has a defaults3_0.wmd and a apps3_0.wmd -- where I have those PLUS a set labled 3_1. If the template has only the 3_0 set, where did the 3_1 set come from? -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Date: 4 Aug 1993 16:42:18 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <23oota$9sm@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> In article 3696@metrosoft.com, gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: > Having recently acquired SimonSays, we'd like to get feedback on which > microphones (headset and other) that people have used with the product. We > get asked from time to time for recommendations and we'd like to hear what > people that have actually tried them have to say. I posed this same question to the author of "SimonSays" last summer. He replied with a list of several recommended mikes. On the list was a Pro-Audio Technika headset mike that typically sells in audio stores for about $150. That's what I bought-- worked great (while I had my Black machine-- I've got an Intel box now). Nevin
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Can NeXT do UTP and BNC at the same time? Date: 4 Aug 1993 17:00:51 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <23oq03$ipt@ni.umd.edu> References: <CB8ns4.MoE@world.std.com> Keywords: NeXT< UTP and BNC In article <CB8ns4.MoE@world.std.com> jcg@world.std.com (Joan C Goodkind) writes: >Can the NeXT cube use both BNC and UTP connections at the same time? No. > We have a BNC based network connected to the NeXT Cube, and want to include >the network into a main Twisted Pair Netowrk. Can the NeXT cube do both >Twisted Pair AND Thin-coax at the same time? No, still. >If not, from all the docs the >NeXT Cube can just plug right into a TP hub, but one person is saying this >will not work... Can a NeXT Cube be plugged directly into a twisted pair hub >without any extra equipment? Yes. This has worked just fine for me since the 68040 CPU upgrades for the cubes came out. >Thanks for any information. Sure. Louis Mamakos University of Maryland
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Some Questions about NSFIP -- Please HELP! Date: 4 Aug 1993 17:21:00 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Distribution: world Message-ID: <23or5sINNg1v@network.ucsd.edu> I just bought NSFIP and have a few questions before I start installing. 1) Is there a FAQ that covers NSFIP -- I can't find it anywhere. 2) Does NeXT provide any FREE tech support aside from NeXTanswers? If so, what is the number? It's outrages if the only support is at $120 per hour. 3) Has anyone attempted to install NSFIP on a system using OS/2's Boot Manager. Does it work? Thanks very much alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: NextStep's MACH - How good is it? Message-ID: <1993Aug3.105736.729@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <1993Aug2.023835.14692@pencom.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 10:57:36 GMT In article <1993Aug2.023835.14692@pencom.com> ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) writes: > > And here's a piece of curses: > > ___________________________________________________________________ > CURSES(3X) UNIX Programmer's Manual CURSES(3X) > > NAME > curses - screen functions with ``optimal'' cursor motion > This is the very old and hackish BSD-version of curses. Of course available for free. Newer curses are much better, e.g. System-V curses. NeXT's curses is really not something to be proud of ... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <497@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 4 Aug 93 11:25:35 GMT References: <1294@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Amsterdam, The Netherlands In article <1294@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: [ .. It's not a good idea to price your product according to the marginal utility to the costumer, because there's no way to independently determine it .. ] > This can be mitigated by simple classification, like Educational quali- > fications. This is done by almost all software vendors. Anything more > elaborate just isn't feasible, and wouldn't end up being any more fair > than the way it is done now. It can also be accomplished by classification of your product. Actually, the name NewsGrazer *Pro* almost indicates this; there should also be a NewsGrazer *Casual User* that's missing some 'pro' features and sells for, say, $50. Very easy to make (just #ifdef-ing some pieces of code) - there's your cash-cow for the masses ;-) -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Kantershof 269, 1104 GN Amsterdam, The Netherlands Phone: + 31 20 6982029; Fax: + 31 20 6003411 No Disclaimers; a NeXT@home protects against this occupational hazard. NB: Strictly black hardware here - No Intel inside :-)
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intelligent FTP? Use ALEX... Date: 4 Aug 1993 17:58:31 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) writes: >Why don't you get the alex "file system"? It does exactly that; maps >ftp sites into the file system so that you can do cp, ls, etc on it. >Usually it's mounted as /alex and then if you want to get a copy Are you talking about AFS, the Andrew File System, or is there something new I haven't heard of? If you are talking about AFS - a) you have to pay Transarc for the client software and b) the server has to run a special AFS server setup in order for you to mount their 'cell'. AFS is a truly neat thing, though. Hopefully the DCE DFS idea will catch on and we'll all run it in a few years. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Some Questions about NSFIP -- Please HELP! Date: 4 Aug 1993 18:02:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <23otjj$a06@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <23or5sINNg1v@network.ucsd.edu> lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) writes: >1) Is there a FAQ that covers NSFIP -- I can't find it anywhere. I don't think that the comp.sys.next.announce FAQ has been updated for Intel yet. Your best bet is NeXTAnswers and comp.sys.next.*, where people are *very* helpful. (and knowledgeable) >2) Does NeXT provide any FREE tech support aside from NeXTanswers? > If so, what is the number? It's outrages if the only support > is at $120 per hour. They used to, to educational customers (via Campus Consultants). Not any more, unless your campus has some sort of special contract with NeXT. You might check your computer center and see. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: sbonsib@data.cac.stratus.com (Steve Bonsib) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: OD disks Date: 4 Aug 1993 18:25:57 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <23ouvl$ii5@transfer.stratus.com> If you have OD disks you would like to sell, mail me with type and price desired. I'll take new or used, Thanks --Steve Steve Bonsib sbonsib@cac.stratus Stratus Computer Marlboro MA 508 490-6434
Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail From: heiko@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting) Subject: Re: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! Message-ID: <LK1FB91D@math.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Free University of Berlin, Dept. of Chemistry References: <OIYFBCFR@math.fu-berlin.de> <1993Aug3.191019.20621@shlink.hanse.de> Distribution: Germany Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 18:56:13 GMT lp@shlink.hanse.de (Lutz Petersen) writes: >heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) writes: >: eike@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eike Dierks) writes: >: >: [600kb Mails..] >: >: Wobei hoffentlich jedem klar ist, dass es grober Unfug ist, Mails dieser >: Groessenordnung ueber WiN-, Transatlantik- oder UUCP-Leitungen zu schicken! > > Warum ? Gibt es immer noch technische Probleme ? Mir ist das eigentlich > unklar, jeder smail kann das. Das kann nur jemand schreiben, der Mails nicht mit SMTP nach Uebersee ueber- traegt! SMTP ist fuer den Transport grosser Datenmengen denkbar ungeeignet. Solche Datenmengen sind besser mit FTP oder FSP zu uebertragen. Bei den schlechten Leitungen (in Deutschland und ueber den Atlantik) kommt es bei grossen Mails immer wieder zu Abbruechen. Bei SMTP wird dann wieder von vorn uebertragen. Bei einer sehr grossen Mail vor kurzem, wurde die Mail 21 (!) Mal uebertragen, bis sie dann vollstaendig beim Zielrechner angekommen ist. Damit wurde der 21fache Traffic gemacht - besonders auf einer schlechten Leitung ist das schlimm. Ausserdem bleiben alle anderen Mails an den gleichen Zielhost solange liegen, bis diese Mail uebertragen wurde, da nur eine SMTP Verbindung zum gleichen Zielrechner aufgemacht wird. Vera schrieb auf eine Rueckfrage aus USA folgende Begruendung dazu, die ich hier mal wiedergebe: (FAQ-artige Mails darf ich hier bestimmt zitieren :-) Rueckfrage aus USA: --Zitatanfang-- Es gibt Organisationen, die jaehrlich zehntausende von Dollars ausgeben, __eben um__ in der Lage zu sein, schnell und zuverlaessig grosse Packet-Mengen (etwa Farbfotos) um die Welt zu befoerdern, die dann dem Normalbuerger via Presse zugaenglich gemacht werden. Hey, what's the problem with that? --Zitatende-- Veras Antwort: --Zitatanfang-- Wenn diese Organisationen wirklich in der Lage sind, Mails solcher Groessenordnung *zuverlaessig* zu verschicken, dann ist das voellig unproblematisch. Und wenn man - wie in Amerika ueblich - an einer T3-Leitung haengt, dann ist es in der Tat kein (technisches) Problem. Ich bezog mich absichtlich auf die drei oben angefuehrten Leitungs- typen: WiN-Leitung: Das sind bei den meisten Organisationen 64K-Leitungen, die sehr langsam sind und auch gelegentlich (kurzzeitige) Stoerungen aufweisen. Wenn dann sehr viele sehr grosse Mails uebrtragen werden sollen, dann ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit sehr gross, dass waehrend der Uebertragung eine sol- che Stoerung auftritt, was dazu fuehrt, dass die Mail noch mal von An- fang an (!) uebertragen werden muss. Ist die Leitung sehr instabil, so kann es geschehen, dass eine Mail von z.B. 1.5 MB dafuer sorgt, dass so lange gar keine Mail zum Zielhost uebertragen werden kann, bis der Postmaster dies bemerkt und eingreift, da der Mailer ja staendig versucht, die 1.5MB-Mail in einem Stueck zu uebertragen. Transatlantik-Leitungen: Im Prinzip gilt das oben Gesagte auch fuer diese Leitungen, nur dass man zusaetzlich noch mehr Leute schaedigt, da die Leitungen ja von vielen Organisationen genutzt werden und unsinnige (weil dann eben doch irgend- wann abgebrochene) Transfers belasten die Leitungen voellig unnoetig. UUCP-Leitungen: Das sind im Normalfall Modemverbindungen ueber Telefonleitungen. Da ist es nicht ungewoehnlich, dass Leitungen so schlecht sind, dass man nicht stundenlang ununterbrochen uebertragen kann. Auch hier wird (meistens) das gesamte Paket von vorn uebertragen, was ebenfalls verhindert, dass andere Mails/News uebertragen werden koennen. Hinzu kommt, dass hier oft Privatleute oder kleine Firmen betroffen sind, die natuerlich nicht sehr erfreut sind, wenn sie deshalb extrem viel Geld an die Telefon- gesellschaft zahlen muessen. (soetwas kommt immer wieder auch mal in den News zur Sprache, wenn mal wieder jemand ein GIF am Stueck und nicht gesplittet gepostet hat oder aehnliches) Ich bin (einer der) Postmaster unseres zentralen Mailservers und alle dieser Faelle haben wir hier schon erlebt und entsprechend viel Arbeit mit gehabt. Daher bin ich nicht sehr erfreut, wenn jemand zum Versenden grosser Mails aufruft, zumal in den meisten Faellen nicht einzusehen ist, warum der Absender die Mail nicht mit einem der gaengigen Tools gesplittet hat. Leider fallen insbesondere NeXT-User in dieser Hinsicht unangenehm auf, vermutlich weil sie sich gar nciht darueber im Klaren sind, welche Probleme das bei instabilen/langsamen Leitungen hervor- rufen kann. Ich hoffe, diese Ausfuehrungen erlaeutern mein (kurzes) posting aus- reichend. Wenn Du noch weitergehende Fragen hast, kannst Du Dich gerne nochmal an mich wenden. --Zitatende-- Heiko -- Heiko Schlichting heiko@Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE Freie Universitaet Berlin, Institut fuer Kristallographie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel,sci.electronics From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: hardware/software designers needed for kit development Message-ID: <1993Aug4.184412.26890@selway.umt.edu> Followup-To: poster Organization: University of Montana Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 18:44:12 GMT I'll say good morning; it's a beautiful one here as I write. I'm integrating products from several companies to provide a high-quality embedded controller type of base platform which will serve as the topic of several articles slated to appear in Electronics Now magazine. It's a commercial grade package yet reasonably cheap. It is feasible to offer assembled versions (sans expansion modules) eventually for $250.00 with moderate volumes. The reason I'm writing is that I'm looking for hardware/software developers to help me move the product to market quickly. I eventually plan to design some specific modules myself, but right now my time is mostly tied up in all the other facets that go into pulling the project together. The platform uses an 80C186EC CPU. It's great for hobbyists familiar with the 80x86 family. It's very sophisticated. It has 512K of dynamic, 64-128K of static, and 64-128K of ROM or boot-block flash ROM (voltage shifter for flash programming built in). It's all in a 6" x 8" package. The product is compact, yet allows two other 6" x 8" cards to be stacked underneath the base platform. It can be mounted vertically or horizontally. It is all CMOS construction, and has a top-notch prototyping area. I'm working with several other companies to provide some interesting options; embedded BIOS and a C compiler for example. I already have communication/debugging software. Your company can be responsible for sales of your modules, or they could be bundled with my kit . There is a good opportunity for publication of articles concerning your modules, but I cannot speak for the magazine. If you are interested, you would be required to purchase an assembled base platform from me. This would cost $500.00, and include documentation. I'm not trying to sell you a board so much, but rather I have a small company and cannot afford to *give* systems to interested developers. However, I would be willing to make the $500.00 refundable if you wish to return an undamaged board when finished with the project. I also can offer time-limited technical assistance because it is to my advantage to get these modules developed as quickly as possible. Please drop me some email if interested. Regards, R.D. Warner
From: jsc@monolith.mit.edu (Jin S Choi) Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT bepf format Date: 04 Aug 1993 19:07:59 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <JSC.93Aug4150759@monolith.mit.edu> Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.07. I am looking into converting a NeXT font into an X font for my personal use. Does anyone know if the screen bitmap encoding format has been published anywhere? -- Jin Choi |NeXTmail, MIME accepted jsc@mit.edu |RIPEM and PGP public keys available by finger to monolith.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Drive Message-ID: <1993Aug4.183019.2410@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 18:30:19 GMT Hello all, I know this has been asked before but what is the NeXT CD-ROM drive, Sony or NEC? Thanks in advance Patrique pat%cesar@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: claire@cubx.com (Claire Normand) Subject: Cub'X-Window demo for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Aug4.175723.15736@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 17:57:23 GMT The corrupted demo package of Cub'X-Window v4.0 for NS/FIP has been replaced. A new demo version is now available on cs.orst.edu in directory /pub/next/submissions (or /pub/next/xnext). This new demo version has been tested and works perfectly well. For any information please contact : Cub'x Systemes Immeuble Sedgwick 7, Rue E. & A. Peugeot 92563 Rueil Malmaison Cedex - France Tel : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 40 Fax : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 41 info@cubx.com (NeXT mail welcome) Thanks, Claire Normand Cub'x Systemes Immeuble Sedgwick 7, Rue E. & A. Peugeot 92563 Rueil Malmaison Cedex - France Tel : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 40 Fax : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 41 e-mail : claire@cubx.com (NeXT mail)
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: NeXTstep icons from NS.8, NS.9, NS1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 4 Aug 1993 16:32:30 GMT Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Sender: ratlifc@alexander (Christian A. Ratliff) Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ooauINNpko@ctron-news.ctron.com> Keywords: TIFF, image, icons, old, NS.8, NS1 I am looking for the icons from NS.8, NS.9, or NS1. If anyone can help me to get these I would appreciate it. christian --------- Christian Ratliff Cabletron Systems, Inc. EDGE System Developer Rochester, NH 03867 ratlifc@ctron.com <NeXTmail OK> Work: (603) 337-1209 "I'm a NeXTSTEP man; I'm an SGI guy." Home: (207) 780-NeXT Nobody at Cabletron knows, approves of, or recalls my opinions.
From: wong@thunder.seas.ucla.edu (Ling S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help needed for Terminal.app Message-ID: <11217@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> Date: 4 Aug 93 20:39:15 GMT Sender: news@SEAS.UCLA.EDU Distribution: usa Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA Dear Netters: I am not very familiar with UNIX and I hope someone could help me with the following problem for my standalone NeXTstation: When I start up the Terminal.app in the root account, a panel with the message "Can't open UnixWindow.term" comes up. I'll have to click OK to rid the panel and then click "New shell" (command n) to start up a window. I do not have this problem in the me account. How may I fix it? Thank you in advance. Ling
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: darcy@solutions.ca (Darcy Brockbank) Subject: Re: NextStep's MACH - How good is it? Message-ID: <1993Aug4.214526.19618@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University References: <1993Aug3.105736.729@gamelan> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 21:45:26 GMT In article <1993Aug3.105736.729@gamelan> thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) writes: > Newer curses are much better, e.g. System-V curses. NeXT's curses is > really not something to be proud of ... > Whose SysV curses? Not HP-UX... their curses was so bad I had to use their termcap emulation and do everything by hand... the thing kept crashing on me. NeXT's however, worked nicely and always behaved. The SysV stuff had more functionality it seemed, but I'll take a less functional one that a) works as advertised and b) does not crash. - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Urgent! Virtuoso-help needed! Message-ID: <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 20:15:53 GMT Hi, NeXT-World! Virtuoso is a famous (but slow) software, but there's one LITTLE problem: A Virtuoso-created document, including german umlauts is printable without any problems at the NeXT-laserprinter. But I have to exposure my documets at an external Lino 300. All Linotype-service bureaus around Frankfurt are using funny little MacIntosh's to download printing-jobs to their Lino. So I tried to print my Virtuoso-documents in a file (print - save) to get a "virtuoso.ps". This file I sent to my exposurer and he tried to download it to his Lino-machine. He was able to exposure the document - but without the german umlauts. Instead of them I've got ASCII-codes on my film! The only workaround I know is to change every text to curves in any Virtuoso-document before sending it to an exposure-bureau. That couldn't be the right way! There must be another chance to create "real" PostScript without doing this mess. As I know the same problem apears by transferring Virtuoso-created imgages to FrameMaker documents using "cut-copy-and-paste". Trying this, I get the same result - no umlauts, but ASCII-codes. Is there anybody out there who could give me a hint? Please answer by e-mail - at the moment I'm not able to read News every day - I have to change lots of text to curves! Thanks in advance (and excuse my bad English - it isn't my native language) - Borris - -- borris@boba.rhein-main.de ist: Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 D-60596 Frankfurt am Main - Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: NSFIP Graphics System Performance Message-ID: <1993Aug4.220024.27663@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <CB7us3.H0C@eecs.nwu.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 22:00:24 GMT In article <CB7us3.H0C@eecs.nwu.edu> bogdan@eecs.nwu.edu (Bogdan Vacaliuc) writes: > [munch] > > My conclusion: S3-805 cannot perform satisfactorily as a graphics system for > NextStep. Perhaps I am a little hasty, but I can't beleive that if low-res > performs poorly, high res will do any better. Also, the screen refresh rates > of this system at high-res will ruin your eyes in time. The Jaws system > reportedly has 66Hz refresh at 1152x900 (maybe better at NeXT's 1120x832), while > QVision has 72Hz at 1280x1024 ( !!!! ). > The NeXT window server operates quite differently when running on a VGA or Super VGA card than when running on a linear mode frame buffer. Extrapolating the speed of VGA mode operation to linear mode operation in a straightforward way will yield incorrect results. The S3-805 has a major problem even when running in linear mode that renders it slower than one might suspect. Namely, it uses DRAM for display memory (instead of VRAM). The slowdown from this is most apparent when dragging a window on screen since you are both reading from and writing to the DRAM video memory at the same time it is being contended for to clock out pixels. The 3.2 window server will probably be better at handling this and make window dragging faster. The S3-805 operates in both 1024x768x8bit gray and 800x600x12 bit color. While its not the fastest, I find it acceptable in either of these modes. A couple of other notes. The DELL DGX (Jaws) runs at 1120x834 and the QVision only does 1280x1024 in 8 bit gray mode. Furthermore, the QVision is currently not available in a VESA or PCI version. The best you can do is an EISA card. This limits its overall performance. In my personal experience, the best performing framebuffers are the JAWS and the Wingine. Unfortunately, both of these are tied to specific machines. That is, you can't just by these in card form and plug them into the machine of your choosing. Joe Pasqua
From: mdd@zeke.Rockefeller.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help needed with NeXTSTEP solution Message-ID: <1993Aug4.175217.7081@rockyd.rockefeller.edu> Organization: Rockefeller University Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 17:52:17 EDT I need some guidance in selecting some hardware to run NS/FIP. The situation is rather involved so here is some background. First, I am a postdoc in theoretical physics who is fortunate enough to own my own NeXTstation Turbo which I love. NeXTSTEP (or however it is spelled these days) provides the ideal computing solution for theoretical physicists who need good networking (email, ftp, gopher, usenet news), friendly user interfaces, TeX, Mathematica or Maple, Unix utilities, etc. Upon my arrival here at Rockefeller I was somewhat chagrined to see that my branch of the theory group subsists by piggybacking itself on the VAX cluster belonging to our experimentalist friends downstairs. Access is solely through VT100 terminals. Needless to say, this current set-up does not really meet any of the needs of the theorists. We are now in the process of moving to another building that will physically separate us even further from the VAX cluster and I think it is the perfect opportunity to divorce ourselves from the experimentalists and to move into 1990's computing especially since computer services wants to charge $20/month/VT100 for use of a terminal server to connect up the VT100's (about 10 of them) to the VAXen. Our problem is that we don't have a lot of money so we can't just buy workstations for everyone. We do have about $6-7,000 now though. Eventually we will be able to put 486 boxes on everyone's desks. Until then, we need an interim solution and this is what I need guidance on. My proposed interim solution is to get one fast 486 server class machine that runs NS and that will be available for general use. The idea is to initially use it as a terminal server. People can telnet to the VAX cluster through the server and then as we find some money, build up a network of machines running NS around this one machine and do away with the VT100's completely. The reason for still using the VAX is that people will need to be weened off of VMS slowly. The plan is to avoid flushing money down the toilet by paying computer services for something that doesn't improve our lot. Anyway, I need some help fleshing out the details since I know little about the PC world. So here are some questions: 0) Is there such a thing as a server class PC? Reliability is reasonably important. 1) What vendors sell server class machines (with edu discounts) and provide good service? 2) What solutions are there for providing up to ten serial ports for such a machine? I have heard of the SLAT-1 (now 2?) boxes that can hang off off the SCSI bus, but are there drivers needed for it, or does the SCSI driver take care of that already? Is there a better way? How many connections can they provide? Will they work painlessly on an Intel machine? 3) The more RAM the merrier. What is a comfortable amount of RAM so that five or six simultaneous telnet sessions won't drag the machine? 32Meg to begin with? 4) I suppose another solution would be to buy some NeXT's, but are there vendors who are selling NeXT equipment with edu discounts and accept purchase orders? One problem with this might be that a fast 486 might be better as a fileserver when the future network rolls around. 5) Are there any vendors who are now selling NS installed? I can probably do it myself, but I don't think I know enough about hardware to talk to some salesperson who doesn't even know what NS is. I would be grateful for any and all suggestions on how to improve this solution and make it work. And please feel free to tell me if I am missing any important considerations. It really would be nice to convert yet another physics dept. to NeXTSTEP. Unfortunately, this is an off year with no more NeXT's being made and no HP's with NS. Please email me and I will post a summary. Thanks in advance. Mark Doyle mdd@zeke.rockefeller.edu P.S. Anyone know a reason why I might not be able to post using NG, but I can post using rn?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: Pentium, anyone? Message-ID: <1993Aug4.225905.1128@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <23ml35$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 22:59:05 GMT In article <23ml35$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > > Has anybody installed or used NS/I on a Pentium system? > The floating point performance of Pentium seems to be > quite a lot better than the 486, which would be good > for DPS and 3D graphics. ALR is selling Pentium systems > now, and I believe they are listed in the compatibility > guide (albeit for 486 systems). Does NS/I not run on > Pentium at all? > > > -- > Andreas Windemuth > Yes. NS/FIP runs on pentium machines and has been displayed publicly. It is listed as supported in the Hardware Compatibility guide. Joe Pasqua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet) Subject: MH 6.8 for NeXT/Mach 2.x? Sender: usenet@irvine.com (News Administration) Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 22:45:35 GMT Message-ID: <CB9B80.461@irvine.com> Has anyone done a working port of MH 6.8 for 68K NeXT/Mach 2.1? I see that there's an old MH 6.7.1 in the archive on sonata.cc.purdue.edu, but that version isn't MIME-capable, as far as I recall... MH 6.8 runs just fine under SunOS 4.1 and HP-UX, but although MH 6.8 will compile reasonably well under NeXT/Mach 2.1, many of MH 6.8's functions don't work correctly in that environment. So...I'm hoping that someone has done a proper port for the NeXT environment. Suggestions to update to NeXT/Mach 3.x will be well-meant, I'm sure, but I don't have control of that.
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Date: 4 Aug 1993 14:28:01 -0500 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> References: <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> In article <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >Having recently acquired SimonSays, we'd like to get feedback on which >microphones (headset and other) that people have used with the product. We >get asked from time to time for recommendations and we'd like to hear what >people that have actually tried them have to say. On a similar thread, I would like to know who still actually uses SimonSays (after having owned it for, say 3 months)? I have found it far too frustrating to use for really anything besides a novelty. andrew (Hal, open the pod bay door.) -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis finger me for my pgp public key
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Date: 5 Aug 1993 01:55:04 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23pp9o$be1@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: > gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: > > Having recently acquired SimonSays, we'd like to get feedback on > > which microphones (headset and other) that people have used with > > the product. We get asked from time to time for recommendations > > and we'd like to hear what people that have actually tried them > > have to say. > > On a similar thread, I would like to know who still actually uses > SimonSays (after having owned it for, say 3 months)? I have found > it far too frustrating to use for really anything besides a novelty. If I was at home I'd use it, but here in the office it's not very practical. For one, I look pretty silly sitting here talking to my computer, and for two people will roam into my office and I'll strike up a conversation with them (only to realize that all kinds of wonderful things are happening on my NeXT). Note that I haven't bought a headset mike though, perhaps that would make it somewhat more practical in the office. I'd still feel too silly talking to my computer if someone was walking by the office... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with NEXTSTEP 3.1 fip CDs (please read and pass this info on!!) Message-ID: <1993Aug4.225309.15578@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 4 Aug 93 22:53:09 EDT References: <23m021$7l1@menudo.uh.edu> Organization: Univ of Miami IR In article <23m021$7l1@menudo.uh.edu>, sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: > > (Please alert your vendor of this potential problem!!! Also tell anyone you > know who isn't on the net...) > > We have discovered a potentially serious problems with some shipments of > NEXTSTEP 3.1/fip CDs that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to install NEXTSTEP on any > hardware because the CD cannot be read: > > There seems to have been a defect in the packaging phase during the > production of batch of NEXTSTEP 3.1 CDs. These CDs are "fogged." That is, > they have a thin film over the back of the CD (side opposite of the label). > At first we thought it was due to humidity, but now we are not sure what it > is. However, we believe that the defect happened during the packaging phase > because all of our 22 copies (from the same shipment) of NEXTSTEP 3.1/fip > had this film. Copies from an earlier shipment were fine. > > We believe that this is not an isolated incident and that other shipments > may also be affected. > > This problem can be fixed if you carefully clean the CD. We sucessfully > used "computer screen cleaner" and Windex without any problems. Apply the > cleaner to a lint-free cloth and wipe the film off the CD. After the CD is > cleaned, installation and use of the CD should be problem free (that is if > there aren't any other problems like hardware incompatiblity). > > We would like to know if you come across a CD with this "defect" so please > send me email. > > You can send email if you have any questions too! > > -- > Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) > The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT > Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) > NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC > >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< > "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime." Yes - We received 13 copies from NACSCorp - Academic packages. All 13 packages have both user and developer disks fogged. The coating seems slightly sticky, also. I used Windex also and a soft cloth and got the disks to read. I called NeXT and informed them of the problem - I am really disappointed in NeXT - We are not terribly inconvenienced but this incident seems to be one more tiny way in which NeXT is trying to kill its great software. A little more attention to details in manufacturing would really help NeXTstep! (Just letting off a bit of smoke - NeXT had not shown a lot of care in handling "details" with its hardware sales and support and seems to be right on its old track, here.) Thomas J. Herbert Department of Biology University of Miami therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes References: <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 03:40:27 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Aug5.034027.14496@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Andrew Loewenstern writes On a similar thread, I would like to know who still actually uses SimonSays (after having owned it for, say 3 months)? I have found it far too frustrating to use for really anything besides a novelty. I use the macro key-binding to launch apps and organize the windows, initiate stuff etc. (For example, control-alt "n" launches NewsGrazer.app and News2mbox, then moves News2mbox just below NG and resizes it to the same width as NG.) My Japanese co-workers already think I'm strange enough--talking to my computer would only confirm other rumors for them as well... --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) Subject: Re: Intelligent FTP? Use ALEX... Message-ID: <1993Aug5.052916.24086@uwasa.fi> Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland References: <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 05:29:16 GMT In article <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: >mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) writes: > >>Why don't you get the alex "file system"? It does exactly that; maps >>ftp sites into the file system so that you can do cp, ls, etc on it. >>Usually it's mounted as /alex and then if you want to get a copy > >Are you talking about AFS, the Andrew File System, or is there >something new I haven't heard of? or fsp? I think fsp is the one you want. >-- >David Lemson (217) 244-1205 >University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator >Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson >NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD -harri- -- ///// Harri Valkama, hv@uwasa.fi (also NeXTmail welcome) ///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland ///// Telephone: +358 61 324 8364 fax: +358 61 324 8465 ///// Anonymous ftp site moderator at garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.tex From: grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (George Wu) Subject: PostScript font display problem in TeXView on NeXT Message-ID: <1993Aug5.052543.20411@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 05:25:43 GMT I have recently installed the NFSS and PSNFSS packages on my NeXTSTATION running NeXTSTEP 3.0 to allow the use of PostScript fonts in LaTeX documents. So far it's worked like a charm as far as printing is concerned but there is one problem with screen previewing using TeXView. At low resolutions, specifically 91dpi, the PostScript fonts are not displayed properly (i.e. the displayed font is not what it is supposed to be or the characters overlap each other). TeXView does not generate any warning messages at all. Am I doing something wrong or is TeXView screwing up ? Any help is appreciated. George
From: balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Current 3.0->3.1 Upgrade Price? Date: 5 Aug 1993 07:03:54 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <23qbcq$e06@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Maybe this has already become a FAQ but I couldn't find it. What do I have to pay if I want to upgrade from 3.0 Extended Release (is this the right name? It has got all the developer stuff in it.) to 3.1 user + developer (black, of course). If memory serves right I think this changed recently. But silly me deleted the mails announcing the new price. But then, maybe I'm wrong. Thanks in advance. Dirk. P.S.: This is all educational. Is there an educational upgrade price?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <1993Aug3.192317.4182@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 19:23:17 GMT In article <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: ...munch... > > Now, in the middle of 1993, the market for third-party applications > is especially tough. NeXT has been holding steady with its > Mission-Critical App development message for quite some time now, > which may be increasing the health and sales of NeXT, Inc., but it's > not providing as good a market for third-party applications. NeXT, > in my opinion, is behaving in a Darwinian fashion (or perhaps a Lord of > the Flies fashion), saving itself at any cost, and part of that cost > may be the health of the third-party market. Unfortunately, their > health may be short-term, because long-term they will need > third-party applications to provide good business solutions for > their customers. Again, they can't do it all themselves. NeXT has > attempted to marry its mission-critical strategy with a harmonious > strategy for third-party apps, but it does not market NEXTSTEP to end > users, who are [typically] the primary market for third parties. > NeXT does not advertise to, market to, or even encourage individual > users. They do not compete against Macintosh, they do not compete ********************************************************** > against Windows, they do not compete against Atari or any other ************************************************** > single-user desktop environment. They compete for large network > sales to corporations who develop their own in-house apps. These > companies may or may not want a copy of TIFFany or RightBrain Rulers or > Lotus Improv or whatever. > For me they were!!! (in some way) I knew all these PC (or Mac, or Atari) user friendly interupt handlers they use to call OS. I always wanted a decent machine on my desk. And the first moment I had a chance to get something like MacIntosh+UNIX*OOPS I hit the road and went buying one. Cost really did matter, but only to a degree. And yes, SUN and HP had hotter CPUs at the same price, but the Software... You might call me nuts, but I now spent over 15 k$ on my slab (mostly just for the fun of it), and I still love it! Just besides, almost all of our NUG members are young computer pros. Some themselves creating their own NeXT third party business, the rest just enjoying the sexiest system platform our money could buy. But I agree, it's hard making money from a handful of nuts ;-) > So yes, you're right that higher-priced software somewhat restricts the > ability of the platform to grow, but there are different heads in the > noose, so to speak. If you price software high, you might make a little > bit of money off the existing customers (those who are not price- > sensitive). If you price an app low, you might make more money, but you > might make less. And it's much easier to lower a price than to raise > it. It's not the responsibility of a third party to guarantee a growth > path for the platform, nor is it the responsibility of the platform to > guarantee growth for the third parties. It's an organic, symbiotic > relationship (usually). > And you have to consider, that most NeXT users pay as they go. I've never seen a personal computer community where "software sharing" (or whats the euphemism of the day?) is so rareley seen as on NeXTstep. And it's not just because the license security is so much better... The only hindsight I have: It's somewhat unfair that black NS fans have the option to run NG as long as they please when FIP users must put real money on the counter. But they still have the option to snach a used Moto box :-) (a move I strongly recommend - no flames please) P.S.: Right Brain made me happy more than once. No obligations, any further! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) Subject: Re: Intelligent FTP? Use ALEX... Message-ID: <1993Aug5.065949.5756@fokus.gmd.de> Sender: news@fokus.gmd.de (News system) Organization: GMD-Fokus References: <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 06:59:49 GMT In article <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) writes: > In article <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > Why don't you get the alex "file system"? It does exactly that; maps > ftp sites into the file system so that you can do cp, ls, etc on it. > Usually it's mounted as /alex and then if you want to get a copy > of for example ftp.next.com:/pub/README then you could cd to > /alex/com/next/ftp/pub and do 'cp README ~' or something similar. > > Now if you have alex running on your NeXT then you can of course use > the File Manager to do this. > It sounds really great!! WHERE CAN I PURCHASE THIS ?? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Fischer @ GMD-Fokus -------- __o ------- _`\<,_ fischer@fokus.gmd.de ------- (*)/ (*) ## NeXT-Mail welcome ## ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Intelligent FTP? Use ALEX... Message-ID: <1993Aug5.075848.28209@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 07:58:48 GMT In article <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >Are you talking about AFS, the Andrew File System, or is there >something new I haven't heard of? He's not talking about AFS, although Alex also comes from CMU (admittedly, it's based on some preexisting Aussie code). Alex is a FTP-to-NFS translator. Same basic goal as Touch, but a much better implementation. Of course, trying to use FTP this way is intrinsically wrong (it doesn't have anywhere near the right semantics), but that doesn't stop people from trying. :-) Look around on alex.sp.cs.cmu.edu if you're curious. -=EPS=-
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Message-ID: <1293@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 2 Aug 93 09:34:33 GMT References: <CB4E30.DF5@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Philip McDunnough writes > Without commenting on NG's value (I've never used it), I am somewhat uneasy > at your indirect implication that a low volume platform means higher priced > software. It would seem to me that software it, in general, dropping in > price on a number of platforms. A low volume platform with high priced > software will always remain a low volume platform. Is this what one wants? No, this is not what one wants. But yes, that is my implication. This raises an incredibly interesting issue, though (upon which I will elaborate, as is my wont :-) In the world of "general purpose computing platforms", for some reason the tradition has evolved that one company makes the platform (hardware/OS), and other companies, known as "third parties", make the software that everybody uses. This is rather a bizarre situation in some ways, but is necessary because no one company can provide all the solutions. It is important to note that perhaps the ONLY reason that the third-party situation exists is that the platform companies can't do everything themselves. The reason I mention this is that Microsoft may well not be in that position any more, and it's becoming increasingly the case that they provide both the environment and the applications, but that's a digression. NeXT provides a platform, and other companies provide the application software. This is the traditional model. It is a very symbiotic model, in that there is an extremely tight relationship between the growth of the platform and the growth of the third-party applications. Each side affects the others in very compelling ways. Sometimes people find out about the applications (especially if they're unique) and buy the platform to run them (PageMaker in the early days, Photoshop today). Sometimes people buy the platform because it's great, then shop for applications, finding the third party stuff later. Both happen, both are good, but it's highly give-and-take. At the start, NeXT had a computer with no applications, so they set out to get good applications running on their platform. There were many willing players who recognized the value in what NeXT provided. These included Adobe, Lotus, Frame, WordPerfect, Quark (remember, they were up on stage at the 2.0 rollout), and lots of little guys like RightBrain. Apps were built, but it was a time-consuming process. All in all, it didn't happen fast enough, or NeXT didn't grow the installed base fast enough, or something, because after several years, they've all abandoned NeXT and gone somewhere else. The reason? Not enough volume. That's the ONLY reason. If there were volume, they'd stay interested (with the possible exception of Frame, who seems to be enduring financial difficulty unrelated to the NeXT market). That's the way the game works. Volume. Providing a platform is a chicken-and-egg situation, where nobody wants to buy the platform until the apps are there, and nobody wants to develop the apps unless the platform is doing well. In my opinion, NeXT blew it 2-3 years ago by not riding the wave of applications into strong sales. They're not entirely responsible, since the computer market in general was sluggish and hardware was in kind of a slump, but nonetheless, you only get that opportunity once, and it has now gone by. I actually believe it was a lack of sustained marketing, or focused marketing, or perhaps marketing at all. Who knows. It doesn't really matter; it just happened that way. Today there is LESS software available (for Intel, particularly) than ever before. Luckily for NeXT, their strategy no longer depends on it, because they are not as much a "general purpose" computing platform. Your comment was that apps should be priced low so the platform can take off in volume, but it's not as simple as that. They both have to hold hands and take off together. If the apps are priced low and the platform doesn't take off, the app companies all fold up (or cancel their NeXT development) because of a lack of sales. Lotus GAVE AWAY Improv, for example. You can't get much lower cost than that. But NeXT did not give away their hardware, and the match burned out before the fire caught. Lotus is not currently developing for NEXTSTEP any more. Now, in the middle of 1993, the market for third-party applications is especially tough. NeXT has been holding steady with its Mission-Critical App development message for quite some time now, which may be increasing the health and sales of NeXT, Inc., but it's not providing as good a market for third-party applications. NeXT, in my opinion, is behaving in a Darwinian fashion (or perhaps a Lord of the Flies fashion), saving itself at any cost, and part of that cost may be the health of the third-party market. Unfortunately, their health may be short-term, because long-term they will need third-party applications to provide good business solutions for their customers. Again, they can't do it all themselves. NeXT has attempted to marry its mission-critical strategy with a harmonious strategy for third-party apps, but it does not market NEXTSTEP to end users, who are [typically] the primary market for third parties. NeXT does not advertise to, market to, or even encourage individual users. They do not compete against Macintosh, they do not compete against Windows, they do not compete against Atari or any other single-user desktop environment. They compete for large network sales to corporations who develop their own in-house apps. These companies may or may not want a copy of TIFFany or RightBrain Rulers or Lotus Improv or whatever. So yes, you're right that higher-priced software somewhat restricts the ability of the platform to grow, but there are different heads in the noose, so to speak. If you price software high, you might make a little bit of money off the existing customers (those who are not price-sensitive). If you price an app low, you might make more money, but you might make less. And it's much easier to lower a price than to raise it. It's not the responsibility of a third party to guarantee a growth path for the platform, nor is it the responsibility of the platform to guarantee growth for the third parties. It's an organic, symbiotic relationship (usually). -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Re: Intelligent FTP? Use ALEX... Message-ID: <1993Aug5.095240.1427@enea.se> Sender: usenet@enea.se Organization: ENEA DATA AB, Stockholm, Sweden References: <1993Aug2.050001.27539@tkymail.sps.mot.com> <23ks06$2vm@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Aug4.105329.9943@enea.se> <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:52:40 GMT In article <23otc7$9qm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: >mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) writes: > >>Why don't you get the alex "file system"? It does exactly that; maps >>ftp sites into the file system so that you can do cp, ls, etc on it. >>Usually it's mounted as /alex and then if you want to get a copy > >Are you talking about AFS, the Andrew File System, or is there >something new I haven't heard of? No, I'm not talking about AFS. I'm talking about ALEX. Let's chant together now: * A * L * E * X * I've got a bunch of e-mail asking for this, so I did a little digging and came up a README for alex. You can get the alex distribution from CMU. FTP addresses are included below. I can't believe however that so few in the NeXT community hadn't heard of this. Anyway please post results on the success with using alex and the FileManager. Enjoy! ---- 8< ---- Start: README ------------ Alex is a filesystem that lets users access files in FTP sites around the world just like they access local files. The source for Alex is in the src directory. You can try Alex out by doing the following as root: mkdir /alex mount -o timeo=30,retrans=300,rsize=1000,soft,intr alex.sp.cs.cmu.edu:/ /alex If you can not become root, you can FTP to alex.sp.cs.cmu.edu and do a "cd /alex" (or "cd alex"). However, this is not nearly as nice a demo. If you like Alex and want to use it regularly, please get a local server running so that my server does not become totally overloaded. readmes is a wais database server (also called ftpable-readmes). It has indexed a large number of readme files out in Alex. There are more than 25,000 readme files (I got most of the names from some nice guy on the Archie project but some using Alex). Below is the information you need for your wais client: Host: alex.sp.cs.cmu.edu Port: 210 Database: readmes If you do not have wais take a look at alt.wais on netnews or FTP to wais.think.com. -- Vince Cate keywords: Alex, readmes, filesystem, FTP, database, wais, Alexandria, transparent FTP access master for this file: /alex/edu/cmu/cs/sp/alex/README (alex.sp.cs.cmu.edu:README for non Alex users) ---- 8< ---- End: README ------------ >David Lemson (217) 244-1205 -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mihe@enea.se /// Box 232 /// S-183 23 Taby TEL : +46 8 792-2500 \\\/// SWEDEN TFX : +46 8 768-4388 \XX/
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Date: 5 Aug 1993 13:32:57 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <23r269$c91@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> In article <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com>, Andrew Loewenstern <andrew@cubetech.com> wrote: >In article <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >>Having recently acquired SimonSays, we'd like to get feedback on which >>microphones (headset and other) that people have used with the product. We >>get asked from time to time for recommendations and we'd like to hear what >>people that have actually tried them have to say. > >On a similar thread, I would like to know who still actually uses >SimonSays (after having owned it for, say 3 months)? I have found it >far too frustrating to use for really anything besides a novelty. Hmm. I use it about 70% of the time, but notbecause it's frustrating. It works fine for me, responding quickly and correctly 95% of the time. Have you trained Simon well? You might try choosing 4 or even 5 eaxmples of your command during training. Also the built-in mike doesn't work as well as a headset or other external mike (I have a cheap Radio Shack mike that works quite well). The only reason I don't use Simon all the time is sheer forgetfulness. But when I do, works fine. - Robert de Lucca
From: t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 5 Aug 1993 09:03:26 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9308051223.AA08381@tech.mis.cfc.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <23kup5$mr@digifix.digifix.com> you wrote: > Matthew Dillon writes > > My idea of intelligent ftp'ing is the ability to map ftp sites onto the > > filesystem, with directory and possibly even file caching. > > > > You guys don't think big enough! > > > > -Matt > > > Actually, what you are talking about is Touch.app, something that was > written at NeXT, and (I think) sold off to a company that has just sat on it... > > Basically, the ftp directory mounted under /Net, and it worked... slow, > but pretty neat. > > I think it is/was on the Educational CD NeXT released last fall. The company, Marble, I think, hasn't "sat on it." From what I understand, Touch, as it was, was basically a kludge and was a long, long, long way from being solid enough for a commercial product. I was skeptical that it could be done at all. Todd -- Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - Chrysler Financial, Centerline, MI "Life is a diamond we turn into dust..." - Rush
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Third Party Software Pricing (was NewsGrazer Pro) Date: 5 Aug 1993 13:58:23 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <23r3lv$o17@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Aug3.192317.4182@nidat.sub.org> (Not to completely change the subject but...) In article <23q5m1$gd0@digifix.digifix.com> david_spitzler@NeXT.COM (David Spitzler) writes: > For Immediate Release > > Wolfram Research Announces Mathematica for NEXTSTEP for > Intel Processors <MUNCH> > Price and Availability > Mathematica under NEXTSTEP for Intel processors will sell for $1295 > and will be available early this fall. Academic pricing starts at > $995. Volume discounts and academic site licenses are available. > <MUNCH> (sigh) It's good to see that students, who (IMHO) need Mathematica the most, will clearly be able to afford it. (Granted, a meager $250 (edu) gets you the watered down student edition of Mathematica for Windows) Perhaps, for $995 Mathematica comes with a computer on which to run itself? :) Oh well, back to the real discussion on software pricing... -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 5 Aug 1993 15:00:09 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <23r79p$o9k@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <9308051223.AA08381@tech.mis.cfc.com> In article <9308051223.AA08381@tech.mis.cfc.com> t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd Swan) writes: < The company, Marble, I think, hasn't "sat on it." From what I < understand, Touch, as it was, was basically a kludge and was a long, < long, long way from being solid enough for a commercial product. I < was skeptical that it could be done at all. < < Todd < -- < Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - Chrysler Financial, Centerline, MI < "Life is a diamond we turn into dust..." - Rush Nonetheless, (in my experience) it worked pretty well. It is a great means to browse an ftp site, learn the file-hierarchy, and grab README and other small files. Granted, for large files it was best to use GatorFTP.app or just ftp via the terminal (being that it tended to lock up the Workspace when getting big files). In all, I like having access to it and it would be neat to have a robust commercial version of it. (unless it cost $200 :) -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Pentium, anyone? Message-ID: <1993Aug4.094530.11504@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <23ml35$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 09:45:30 GMT In article <23ml35$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > > Has anybody installed or used NS/I on a Pentium system? > The floating point performance of Pentium seems to be > quite a lot better than the 486, which would be good > for DPS and 3D graphics. ALR is selling Pentium systems > now, and I believe they are listed in the compatibility > guide (albeit for 486 systems). Does NS/I not run on > Pentium at all? > Yeah, we saw NS/FIP running on an Intel box with a Pentium inside (we looked). Subjectively was faster, but not alarmingly so. Video performance was still the big problem on the box we saw (ATI chipset). The NS boxes with a Wingine inside seem to be amongst the best I've seen. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Urgent! Virtuoso-help needed! Message-ID: <1993Aug5.162003.7529@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:20:03 GMT In article <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: > >Hi, NeXT-World! > >Virtuoso is a famous (but slow) software, but there's one LITTLE problem: > >A Virtuoso-created document, including german umlauts is printable without >any problems at the NeXT-laserprinter. But I have to exposure my documets >at an external Lino 300. All Linotype-service bureaus around Frankfurt are >using funny little MacIntosh's to download printing-jobs to their Lino. >So I tried to print my Virtuoso-documents in a file (print - save) to get >a "virtuoso.ps". This file I sent to my exposurer and he tried to download >it to his Lino-machine. He was able to exposure the document - but without >the german umlauts. Instead of them I've got ASCII-codes on my film! > >The only workaround I know is to change every text to curves in any >Virtuoso-document before sending it to an exposure-bureau. That couldn't >be the right way! There must be another chance to create "real" PostScript >without doing this mess. >As I know the same problem apears by transferring Virtuoso-created imgages >to FrameMaker documents using "cut-copy-and-paste". Trying this, I get the >same result - no umlauts, but ASCII-codes. > >Is there anybody out there who could give me a hint? Please answer by >e-mail - at the moment I'm not able to read News every day - I have to >change lots of text to curves! > >Thanks in advance (and excuse my bad English - it isn't my native >language) > >- Borris - >-- > >borris@boba.rhein-main.de ist: Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 >D-60596 Frankfurt am Main - Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 Borris, I have looked into your question. The Draw.app shipped with every NeXT exhibits the same behavior when cut-copied-and-pasted into a Frame document. Also, I have had no trouble downlowding Virtuoso PS files containing all kinds of non-ascii characters. I suspect you may need to add one step to your printing process. That is, make a virtual printer using PrintManager.app that is the same printer your service bureau uses. Then in the Print Option panel in the Print Panel of Virtuoso tell Viruoso to use PPD information. Then Save PostScript for chosen printer, include fonts. That should work for you. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <1993Aug5.164729.2410@venice.sedd.trw.com> Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:47:29 GMT Andrew Loewenstern (andrew@cubetech.com) wrote: : On a similar thread, I would like to know who still actually uses : SimonSays (after having owned it for, say 3 months)? I have found it : far too frustrating to use for really anything besides a novelty. I've used and stopped and used again since it came out. A headset mic was required (in my environment) to get good recognition. I enjoy it the most in Emacs to save me from typing control-meta-hyper-entend long-command-name all the time. :-) I sure wish that the training mode had a test mode where you could immediately try your new training and get feedback on the top three hits and their confidence percentages. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Where are "Private Groups" Message-ID: <CBAp3H.B1w@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:42:52 GMT As part of a project I'm working on, I've assembled a fairly large mail alias in a Private Group. I'm moving the project to a new machine and would like to just copy over the Group, rather than having to retype all 50+ names and addresses in again, but I cannot for the life of me find where the information is stored. Sigh.... any pointers appreciated. Is there some file I can just copy? or can I at least get a text file containing the names/addresses so I can cut and paste instead of retyping (and making the inevitable mistakes that will have to be tracked down)? Thanks in advance Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: mmeng@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Max Meng ~{COGlQt~}) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTstation Turbo <--> Modem Connection Problem ?? Keywords: Modem, serial connection, Nextstation Turbo Message-ID: <1174@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> Date: 5 Aug 1993 17:45:57 GMT Sender: news@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca Distribution: na Hi, there: I am trying to connect a GVC FM9624 fax modem to a NeXTstation turbo through the 8-pin DIN. I picked up a Mac 8-to-25 modem cable and connected the modem. I set up the modem using printer manager. But when I send fax using the printer manager of NS 3.0, I can hear the dial and negotiation and then the modem stops the connection. I get mail message from "agent" saying the other fax machine "is not responding or it is not a fax machine". Of cause this is not right. Any ideas of the problem ? Modem, fax software, or serial cable ? Thanks in advance. Max Meng | Lakehead University, School of Engineering | NeXT Mails are welcome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email: mmeng@next-cb4057.lakeheadu.ca | Voice: (807) 343-8634 | Fax: 343-8928 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ((( In stereo and 3-D where available ))) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Max Meng | EE Dept, Lakehead University | Expect what you have done to others! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (807) 343-8634 | Fax: (807) 343-8928 | E-mail: mmeng@flash.lakeheadu.ca
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Radical Eye Birthday Date: 5 Aug 1993 16:56:34 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <23re42$ofp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Anybody notice this? ----------------------------------- This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 Happy Birthday, Radical Eye Software! (tech_objectives.tex ----------------------------------- It was on Thurs. Aug. 5th. - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Urgent! Virtuoso-help needed! Message-ID: <CBApG3.CEy@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Aug5.162003.7529@altsys.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:50:29 GMT In article <1993Aug5.162003.7529@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >In article <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >> >>Hi, NeXT-World! >> >>... [problem description elided] >> >Borris, > >>... [problem solution elided] > >-- >Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com >NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now that's the kind of sales manager that I like to see. Of course this begs the question about their technial support. When you talk to technical support, are they even more responsive and knowlegeable or is it like infants switched at birth and technical support's response is to try to sell you something you don't need? Pardon the slam on salespeople. Obviously I recognize that the above is a stereotype. I wanted to thank Lorin and the humorous question just popped into my head. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: carl@next2.sun1.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Carl Frederickson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Radical Eye Birthday Date: 5 Aug 1993 18:05:44 GMT Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <23ri5o$jiu@Tut.MsState.Edu> References: <23re42$ofp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> In article <23re42$ofp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) writes: > > Anybody notice this? > > ----------------------------------- > This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 > Happy Birthday, Radical Eye Software! > (tech_objectives.tex > ----------------------------------- > > It was on Thurs. Aug. 5th. Yep - Carl Frederickson
From: semonche@panix.com (Doug Semonche) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Have Unix utils been ported to NS/FIP Date: 5 Aug 1993 14:04:04 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <23ri2k$49r@panix.com> Have utilities like NcFTP, latest EMACS, etc. been ported to NS/FIP? I assume basic FTP is part of the BSD Unix, but many improved utilities are available for other Unixs. Also, has Stuart (terminal replacement), Backspace, or other Next "shareware" or "free" apps been ported?
From: hubert@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Hubert Moesslein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DSP-programming Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 14:31:26 GMT Organization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <23r5juE3ip@uni-erlangen.de> Hello, has anyone experience in using the DSP in the NEXT. I'm trying to set up a stream through the DSP to sndout using the function snddriver_stream_setup(...) with dataPath = SNDDRIVER_DMA_STREAM_THROUGH_DSP_TO SNDOUT_44 Now I want to know, what I have to do to get the data from the DSP to SNDOUT. Thnaks in advance for your help and please answer via email, because I don't read this group very often. bye Hubert _______________________________________________________________________________ _ | // | email: hubert@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de // | phone: 0049-9131 85-7190 (univ.) ||||| _ // | 0049-9131 24682 (priv.) o(@)^(@)o \\ // | Stubenlohstr.13 91052 Erlangen / W-Germany \ U / \\ // |_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- <#> \X/ things, that try to look like things, do often more look like things than things
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Where are "Private Groups" Message-ID: <CBAvKo.EwB@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <CBAp3H.B1w@news.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 19:02:48 GMT Tom Marchioro writes <<Request for information on where the mail aliases are stored>> Thanks to the many kind folks who pointed out to me that mail aliases are stored in the ~/.NeXT/.mailaliases file. I would have **sworn** I'd looked in that directory. . . . . the effects of old age I guess. -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Radical Eye Birthday Date: 5 Aug 1993 19:05:01 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <23rlktINN7n0@gap.caltech.edu> References: <23re42$ofp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> >> Anybody notice this? Yep. Saw it this morning about 1 a.m. I suppose it will go away tomorrow. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.software From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: PostScript font display problem in TeXView on NeXT Message-ID: <CBAw2K.FC5@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Aug5.052543.20411@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 19:13:31 GMT George Wu writes [] [] I have recently installed the NFSS and PSNFSS packages on my []NeXTSTATION running NeXTSTEP 3.0 to allow the use of PostScript fonts []in LaTeX documents. So far it's worked like a charm as far as []printing is concerned but there is one problem with screen previewing []using TeXView. At low resolutions, specifically 91dpi, the PostScript []fonts are not displayed properly (i.e. the displayed font is not what []it is supposed to be or the characters overlap each other). TeXView []does not generate any warning messages at all. Am I doing something []wrong or is TeXView screwing up ? Any help is appreciated. My guess is you are encountering a bug in the NeXT font cache which Tom Rokicki and I spent (LITERALLY!!) weeks tracking down. It seems that the font Ohlfs has a completely screwy UniqueID, something that someone must have just made up one day, and if you start using too many PS fonts in a variety of applications you will eventually mess up the font cache. I first found this bug because I've switched to 100% Postscript TeX fonts, meaning the corruption was far more likely to occur. It turns out that how the bug manifests itself is extremely context dependent (i.e. it depends on what apps you have running, what fonts they cache and in what order, etc.) and that is why it took us so long to track it down. Since you are using lots of PS fonts in your TeXing then this corrupted font cache is probably at fault. I have a file for generating the bug in a specific way, and also a fix which seems to work just fine, but both are on a machine which will not be up until Monday (we're moving all of our computers to a new room). Will post the relevant information then. In the meantime, if the bug really bothers you I suggest you stop using Ohlfs for any application and reboot your machine. That should solve the problem. By the way, the fact that it is only your screen fonts that are messed up is purely a matter of luck based on your font caching arrangement. I had the same situation for a long time and tolerated it, but one day it was the *printed* versions that were messed up and that was when Rokicki and I decided enough was enough and tracked the sucker down. Hope this is helpful, more information to follow once our machines are back on line --- tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Digital Librarian, .displayCommand, ... Message-ID: <2N2FBXZC@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 18:36:48 GMT Hello, for some time I tried to make the Recipes work with the Digital Librarian. Does anyone know exactly what is going on when DL opens a file (e.g. the man pages). There is a .displayCommand in /usr/man, that seems to do what I want, but somehow it doesn't work at all, if I try to do the same thing with the recipes. Has someone got the recipes to work, or does someone have the info above? Any direction to the DL's docs would also be greatly appreciated. thanks, Stephan p.s. seems to me, I don't know enough about the IndexingKit and its "demo" (i.e. the DL), so please enlighten me ;-) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ / Stephan Trebels voice: +49 551 44690 /| +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | | <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> "No NeXTmail yet, it's a HP" | + | <trebels@desdemona.theo-phys.gwdg.de> "NeXTmail welcome" |/ +--------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) Subject: Re: Radical Eye Birthday Message-ID: <1993Aug5.192023.4299@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <23re42$ofp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 19:20:23 GMT In article <23re42$ofp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) writes: > > Anybody notice this? > > ----------------------------------- > This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 > Happy Birthday, Radical Eye Software! > (tech_objectives.tex > ----------------------------------- > > It was on Thurs. Aug. 5th. > > - Steve > > ==================================================================== > Stephen Perkins | > Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu > Michigan State University | Yep, I got the same thing today. -- Matthew J. Grismer M M JJJJJJJJJJ GGGGGGGG 300 Cushing Hall MM MM J G University of Notre Dame M M M M J G GGGG e-mail: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu M M M M J G G NeXTmail preferred M M M M J J G G M MM M JJJJJ GGGGGGGG
Newsgroups: de.comm.uucp,de.admin.mail,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.mime,bln.net.mail Subject: Re: Die 600kB Mail Grenze ist gefallen ! Message-ID: <93080518411900629@stefan.imp.com> From: Stefan Zingg <stefan@stefan.imp.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 93 18:41:19 +0100 In article <LK1FB91D@math.fu-berlin.de>, heiko@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting) writes: > ... > >: Wobei hoffentlich jedem klar ist, dass es grober Unfug ist, Mails > >: dieser Groessenordnung ueber WiN-, Transatlantik- oder > >:UUCP-Leitungen zu schicken! > > > > Warum ? Gibt es immer noch technische Probleme ? Mir ist das > >eigentlich unklar, jeder smail kann das. > > Das kann nur jemand schreiben, der Mails nicht mit SMTP nach Uebersee > uebertraegt! ... [viele gute Gruende] Einen (zentralen) Grund hast Du noch vergessen: Irgend jemand muss das alles bezahlen! <Achtung, Demagogie an... jetzt> Ich frage mich zum Beispiel immer wieder, ob die oeffentliche Hand (sprich Du und ich) tatsaechlich dazu da sind, zwei Studenten zu subventionieren, die sich irgendwelche megabyte-schwere Fotos von nackten Frauen hin- und hermailen. <Demagogie aus> Es gibt natuerlich auch serioese Gruende fuer grosse Mails, aber ich sehe keinen Nachteil darin, diese in kleinere Portionen aufzusplitten. Stefan -- Internet: <stefan@stefan.imp.com> UUCP-net: ...gator!ixgch!stefan!stefan Voicenet: +41 61 - 261 28 90 Papernet: Stefan Zingg, St.Johanns-Vorstadt 19, 4056 Basel, Switzerland
From: Sean.Levy@cs.cmu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: '040 cube/2.1: Serial line woes Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:27:51 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <UgMKp7i00hMdIAyGYp@cs.cmu.edu> Hi, I have an '040 running 2.1 (soon to be upgraded to 3.1). I have a MultiTech ZOOM 19.2/V.32bis MultiModem which I was using to run SLIP to CMU campus on an *OLD* sun3_60 at home (yech). I'd like to get a similar situation going on the NeXT, but cannot even get tip to work properly. I have something like: modem|ttya:dv=/dev/ttya:at=hayes:br#19200 (also tried with /dev/cua). tip modem works fine, up until I make a connection... it looks like this AT OK ATDTxxxxxxx CONECT 19200 and then nothing. I see no output from the other end (which I am 100% sure is working properly). When I type, I see the TX light flash on the modem pane, but the RD light never does once I make the connection. Same symtpoms if I switch over to the B port. I thought it might be a serial cable/flow control problem... does this sound right? If so, does anyone have a suggested fix? TIA, -- Sean P.S. I'm new to NeXTland, so I hope this is the right group, and appologize if it isn't. -- S -- Sean Levy, n-dim Group, EDRC, CMU, 5000 Forbes Ave, PGH, PA 15213 Email: snl+@cmu.edu, Phone: +1 412 268 5221, Fax: +1 412 268 5229
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Summer sales? Message-ID: <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 05:37:21 GMT Are there any other NeXT developers, other than Rightbrain, which have special pricing for the rest of the summer? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <1993Aug5.154420.1698@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 15:44:20 GMT In article <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: > > On a similar thread, I would like to know who still actually uses > SimonSays (after having owned it for, say 3 months)? > Apparently quite a few people, as we've been flooded with upgrade requests and people interested in a port to white hardware. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
From: warrior@pliny.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Charles M. Dudley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Stand Alone NeXT Computer Networking Support Date: 5 Aug 1993 21:01:17 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <23rset$54g@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Keywords: Networking There is a gentleman who need help in getting connected to the network. He would like to connect to either Internet, Michnet, or UMnet. Is there anyone who can lend assistance in accomplishing this task? He is willing to pay for the assistance.
From: warrior@pliny.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Charles M. Dudley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Stand Alone NeXT Computer Networking Support Date: 5 Aug 1993 21:02:13 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <23rsgl$556@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Keywords: Networking There is a gentleman who need help in getting connected to the network. He would like to connect to either Internet, Michnet, or UMnet. Is there anyone who can lend assistance in accomplishing this task? He is willing to pay for the assistance. -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%1H97)E(&ES(&$@ M9V5N=&QE;6%N('=H;R!N965D(&AE;'`@:6X@9V5T=&EN9R!C;VYN96-T960@ M=&\@=&AE(&YE='=O<FLN7`I(92!W;W5L9"!L:6ME('1O(&-O;FYE8W0@=&\@ M96ET:&5R($EN=&5R;F5T+"!-:6-H;F5T+"!O<B!536YE="Y<"EP*27,@=&AE M<F4@86YY;VYE('=H;R!C86X@;&5N9"!A<W-I<W1A;F-E(&EN(&%C8V]M<&QI M<VAI;F<@=&AI<R!T87-K/UP*7`I(92!I<R!W:6QL:6YG('1O('!A>2!F;W(@ 2=&AE(&%S<VES=&%N8V4N"GT* `
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software From: wbeeck@dart.de (Wilfried Beeck) Subject: Re: Can one use a HP Deskjet 500C with NS 3.1? Message-ID: <1993Aug5.211531.424@dart.de> Sender: wbeeck@dart.de Organization: d'ART Computersysteme GmbH References: <23qnmv$ab@email.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 21:15:31 GMT In article <23qnmv$ab@email.tuwien.ac.at> gadinger@galadriel.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Gadinger) writes: > O.K., it IS a silly question - is there a way to hook a HP DJ 500C to NS > 3.1 on a 486? Do HP sell a driver or something to make these lowmarket > things (software side) PostScriptable? Please tell if you know! > > Alex Wilkie, currently no email@addr! (sorry) We're selling a printer-driver, called "Dots", which allows you to output to many non-PostScript printing devices, including the HP Deskjet 500C. Dots uses NEXTSTEP Display PostScript to generate high quality PostScript output. Printers that are connected with Dots are available throughout the network, just like the NeXT Laserprinter. Currently there are four different categories: Dots monochrome supports Epson 24 dot matrix printers (and compatible) NEC 24 dot matrix printers (and compatible) IBM Proprinter XL24 AGM (and compatible) HP PCL II, III, V Canon BJ-300/330 (and compatible) Canon BJ-10/10e/10ex (and compatible) HP LaserJet II, III, IV (and compatible) HP DeskJet 500, 510 Dots color supports HP Deskjet 500C HP Deskjet 550C HP Deskjet 1200C HP Paintjet XL300 Dots CLC10 supports scanning and printing on the CJ 10 Canon Color Copier. Dots CLC500 supports scanning and printing on the CLC300 and CLC500 Canon Color Copiers. All versions require NEXTSTEP 3.0 or NEXTSTEP 3.1. Dots Version 3.3 or higher supports both Intel and Motorola CPUs. Here are the list prices for the Dots driver package (per printer): Europe International Dots monochrome 198 DM 149 Dollars Dots color 298 DM 199 Dollars Dots CLC10 1.398 DM 799 Dollars Dots CLC500 1.998 DM 1,199 Dollars IMPORTANT: If you are using NEXTSTEP on non-NeXT hardware, you must add the cost of a PostScript output license, which is (or will soon be) available from NeXT. Our current information is that the license fee for printers with a suggested US retail price below 1,000 dollars is 50 dollars. The HP Deskjet 500C and 550C are in that category. So the total cost for the printer driver (Dots + PostScript output license) would be 249 dollars. Dots is available from many NeXT resellers and distributors. Our Austrian distributor is Hard & Soft NeXTcenter, Vienna Our US distributor is Alembic Systems International, Englewood, Colorado d'ART Software GmbH Virchowstrasse 17-19 22767 Hamburg Germany (++49) 40-38023-0 (++49) 40-38023-290 fax
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Summer sales? Date: 5 Aug 1993 23:27:08 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23s50c$n0g@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > Are there any other NeXT developers, other than Rightbrain, which > have special pricing for the rest of the summer? Isn't the RightBrain special over at this point? I thought that was only until the end of July (my copy of PasteUp was ordered just last Thursday -- coincidentally, of course). I believe the guys at ARDI have a sale going on for Executor. That sale ends on August 31st (by which time I think they intend to be shipping a newer version). If you buy now, you'll get version 1.2.2, and you'll get free upgrades up to version 2.0 (the version coming out soon is 1.3). Sale price is $149, or $99 for educational buyers. I think I have the gist of that right, but you should probably send email to questions@ardi.com to make sure (or call them up at 1-505-766-9115). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: ctm@ardi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Summer sales? Message-ID: <CBB36J.DGC@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: 5 Aug 93 21:47:10 GMT Article-I.D.: cobra.CBB36J.DGC References: <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI In article <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >Are there any other NeXT developers, other than Rightbrain, which have >special pricing for the rest of the summer? ARDI has Executor on sale until the end of August: $99 + shipping Educational, $149 + shipping Commercial --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Subject: Re: Which of the following .NeXT dir files are obsolete? In-Reply-To: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu's message of 4 Aug 1993 16:22:39 GMT Message-ID: <BHILL.93Aug5163008@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA References: <1993Aug4.074454.19814@urz.unibas.ch> <23onof$j3p@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: 5 Aug 93 16:30:08 > Interestingly, the template directory's .NeXT directory has a defaults3_0.wmd > and a apps3_0.wmd -- where I have those PLUS a set labled 3_1. If the template > has only the 3_0 set, where did the 3_1 set come from? I upgraded to 3.1 by putting /Users on floppies and then rebuilding the hard disk. Since I nevertheless have both 3_0 and 3_1 files now, the latter must be built from the former. --Brian Hill
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: TypeView fire sale Message-ID: <1303@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 6 Aug 93 03:16:58 GMT Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc TypeView is a very cool application written by Vivid Publishing that we've been distributors for for a while. We recently discovered we have a huge inventory of them that are just sitting, and Vivid has asked us to offer a huge fire sale to try to reduce the inventory. Here's the scoop. TypeView is normally $129, but we're going to fire sale them for only $25. We've got a lot of them, but they may go pretty fast at this price. Here's a quick overview of TypeView's capabilities: Provides several "views" to look at characters sets of fonts Lets you compare fonts to each other visually Lets you copy/paste characters from symbolic fonts Lets you get at UNENCODED characters that are otherwise unaccessable Provides services for use with other applications This is a really great application. I use it every other day to find symbols in Zapf Dingbats that I can't remember how to type, to find fractions (they're in almost every font, but you can't type them!) and things like that. If nothing else, you can learn a lot about fonts from inspecting existing ones. Send us email at "info@rightbrain.com", fax us, or call 800-472-7246 to take advantage of this great sale on this great app. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation #054 -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`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`I<"DAE<F4G<R!T:&4@<V-O;W`N7`I< M"E1Y<&56:65W(&ES(&YO<FUA;&QY("0Q,CDL(&)U="!W92=R92!G;VEN9R!T M;R!F:7)E('-A;&4@=&AE;2!F;W(@;VYL>2`D,C4N7`I792=V92!G;W0@82!L M;W0@;V8@=&AE;2P@8G5T('1H97D@;6%Y(&=O('!R971T>2!F87-T(&%T('1H M:7,@<')I8V4N7`I<"DAE<F4G<R!A('%U:6-K(&]V97)V:65W(&]F(%1Y<&56 M:65W)W,@8V%P86)I;&ET:65S.EP*7`JW(%!R;W9I9&5S('-E=F5R86P@(G9I M97=S(B!T;R!L;V]K(&%T(&-H87)A8W1E<G,@<V5T<R!O9B!F;VYT<UP*MR!, M971S('EO=2!C;VUP87)E(&9O;G1S('1O(&5A8V@@;W1H97(@=FES=6%L;'E< M"K<@3&5T<R!Y;W4@8V]P>2]P87-T92!C:&%R86-T97)S(&9R;VT@<WEM8F]L M:6,@9F]N='-<"K<@3&5T<R!Y;W4@9V5T(&%T(%5.14Y#3T1%1"!C:&%R86-T M97)S('1H870@87)E(&]T:&5R=VES92!U;F%C8V5S<V%B;&5<"K<@4')O=FED M97,@<V5R=FEC97,@9F]R('5S92!W:71H(&]T:&5R(&%P<&QI8V%T:6]N<UP* M7`I4:&ES(&ES(&$@<F5A;&QY(&=R96%T(&%P<&QI8V%T:6]N+B`@22!U<V4@ M:70@979E<GD@;W1H97(@9&%Y('1O(&9I;F1<"G-Y;6)O;',@:6X@6F%P9B!$ M:6YG8F%T<R!T:&%T($D@8V%N)W0@<F5M96UB97(@:&]W('1O('1Y<&4L('1O M(&9I;F1<"F9R86-T:6]N<R`H=&AE>2=R92!I;B!A;&UO<W0@979E<GD@9F]N M="P@8G5T('EO=2!C86XG="!T>7!E('1H96TA*2!A;F1<"G1H:6YG<R!L:6ME M('1H870N("!)9B!N;W1H:6YG(&5L<V4L('EO=2!C86X@;&5A<FX@82!L;W0@ M86)O=70@9F]N=',@9G)O;5P*:6YS<&5C=&EN9R!E>&ES=&EN9R!O;F5S+EP* M7`I396YD('5S(&5M86EL(&%T(")I;F9O0')I9VAT8G)A:6XN8V]M(BP@9F%X M('5S+"!O<B!C86QL(#@P,"TT-S(M-S(T-B!T;UP*=&%K92!A9'9A;G1A9V4@ M;V8@=&AI<R!G<F5A="!S86QE(&]N('1H:7,@9W)E870@87!P+EP*7`HM+5P* M($=L96YN(%)E:60@("`@("`@(`D)3F585&UA:6PZ(&=L96YN0')I9VAT8G)A M:6XN8V]M7`H@4FEG:'1"<F%I;B!3;V9T=V%R90D)-#$U+3,R-BTR.3<T("A. M95A49F%X(#,R-BTR.3<W*5P*(%!A;&\@06QT;RP@0V%L:69O<FYI80D)16QE E8W1R;VYI8R!&<F]N=&EE<B!&;W5N9&%T:6]N(",P-31<"@I]"FYI `
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1304@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 6 Aug 93 03:19:21 GMT Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc 75% off SALE! EDU RETAIL PasteUp: $199 $149 $795 We got a really great response to our 50% off sale last month, and it led us to an interesting observation. We had previously lowered the Educational price of PasteUp to $299, and during the 50% off sale it was only $149. Almost ALL of our sales last month were to educational people, evidently because we broke below a magic price barrier for a lot of people. That made us think that maybe a lot of people want to buy it, but haven't been able to convince themselves to spend the money for it. So this month we're extending the educational price of $149 for one more month for PasteUp, continuing to sell Adobe fonts at 50% off retail, and we're going to try reducing the price of regular old PasteUp from $795 to only $199 for the rest of this month to see whether it's simply price sensitivity or whether there really are a lot more educational people on the net than everybody else. This is a 75% discount! You can't possibly pass it up if you're even remotely interested in PasteUp. Our margins are very thin at this price, but we'd like to have a larger installed base, so we're willing to give it a shot. Send orders to "info@rightbrain.com" or double-click the following program to get more information about it from our file server: -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation #054 -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.UQF,5QF M<W=I<W,@2&5L=F5T:6-A.WT*7&UA<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R M=&)L7')E9#!<9W)E96XP7&)L=64P.WT*7'!A<F1<='@Q-S(P7'1X,S0T,%QT M>#4Q.#!<='@V.3`P7'1X.#8T,%QT>#$P,S8P7'1X,3(P.#!<='@Q,S@R,%QT M>#$U-30P7'1X,3<R.#!<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6PP7&9S,C1<9F,P(%P*"EQF,5QB M7&9S,S8@"0I<:2`W-24@;V9F"5-!3$4A"EQI,"`)"EQB,"!%1%4)4D5404E, M"EQB(%P*4&%S=&55<#H)"0I<:2`D,3DY"EQI,"`)"EQB,"`D,30Y"20W.34* M7&8P7&9S,C0@7`I<"E=E(&=O="!A(')E86QL>2!G<F5A="!R97-P;VYS92!T M;R!O=7(@-3`E(&]F9B!S86QE(&QA<W0@;6]N=&@L(&%N9"!I=%P*;&5D('5S M('1O(&%N(&EN=&5R97-T:6YG(&]B<V5R=F%T:6]N+B`@5V4@:&%D('!R979I M;W5S;'D@;&]W97)E9"!T:&5<"D5D=6-A=&EO;F%L('!R:6-E(&]F(%!A<W1E M57`@=&\@)#(Y.2P@86YD(&1U<FEN9R!T:&4@-3`E(&]F9B!S86QE(&ET('=A M<UP*;VYL>2`D,30Y+B`@06QM;W-T($%,3"!O9B!O=7(@<V%L97,@;&%S="!M M;VYT:"!W97)E('1O(&5D=6-A=&EO;F%L('!E;W!L92Q<"F5V:61E;G1L>2!B M96-A=7-E('=E(&)R;VME(&)E;&]W(&$@;6%G:6,@<')I8V4@8F%R<FEE<B!F M;W(@82!L;W0@;V8@<&5O<&QE+EP*5&AA="!M861E('5S('1H:6YK('1H870@ M;6%Y8F4@82!L;W0@;V8@<&5O<&QE('=A;G0@=&\@8G5Y(&ET+"!B=70@:&%V M96XG=%P*8F5E;B!A8FQE('1O(&-O;G9I;F-E('1H96US96QV97,@=&\@<W!E M;F0@=&AE(&UO;F5Y(&9O<B!I="Y<"EP*4V\@=&AI<R!M;VYT:"!W92=R92!E M>'1E;F1I;F<@=&AE(&5D=6-A=&EO;F%L('!R:6-E(&]F("0Q-#D@9F]R(&]N M92!M;W)E7`IM;VYT:"!F;W(@4&%S=&55<"P@8V]N=&EN=6EN9R!T;R!S96QL M($%D;V)E(&9O;G1S(&%T(#4P)2!O9F8@<F5T86EL+"!A;F1<"G=E)W)E(&=O M:6YG('1O('1R>2!R961U8VEN9R!T:&4@<')I8V4@;V8@<F5G=6QA<B!O;&0@ M4&%S=&55<"!F<F]M("0W.35<"G1O(&]N;'D@)#$Y.2!F;W(@=&AE(')E<W0@ M;V8@=&AI<R!M;VYT:"!T;R!S964@=VAE=&AE<B!I="=S('-I;7!L>2!P<FEC M95P*<V5N<VET:79I='D@;W(@=VAE=&AE<B!T:&5R92!R96%L;'D@87)E(&$@ M;&]T(&UO<F4@961U8V%T:6]N86P@<&5O<&QE(&]N7`IT:&4@;F5T('1H86X@ M979E<GEB;V1Y(&5L<V4N7`I<"E1H:7,@:7,@82`*7&8Q7&9S,S8@-S4E"EQF M,%QF<S(T("!D:7-C;W5N="$@(%EO=2!C86XG="!P;W-S:6)L>2!P87-S(&ET M('5P(&EF('EO=2=R92!E=F5N7`IR96UO=&5L>2!I;G1E<F5S=&5D(&EN(%!A M<W1E57`N("!/=7(@;6%R9VEN<R!A<F4@=F5R>2!T:&EN(&%T('1H:7,@<')I M8V4L7`IB=70@=V4G9"!L:6ME('1O(&AA=F4@82!L87)G97(@:6YS=&%L;&5D M(&)A<V4L('-O('=E)W)E('=I;&QI;F<@=&\@9VEV95P*:70@82!S:&]T+EP* M7`I396YD(&]R9&5R<R!T;R`B:6YF;T!R:6=H=&)R86EN+F-O;2(@;W(@9&]U M8FQE+6-L:6-K('1H92!F;VQL;W=I;F<@<')O9W)A;5P*=&\@9V5T(&UO<F4@ M:6YF;W)M871I;VX@86)O=70@:70@9G)O;2!O=7(@9FEL92!S97)V97(Z7`I< M"@I[>UQ.1T9O;&1E<C$S,#,@4V%L94EN9F\*-#@R($TG658P-%PJ4"HY+R1# M.4178"$H2C<L0E!(/"XG)"(M*D<D0#%@*$(K+59+-&`F)U$H0$`Y)E--6D$L M)S$*34A41#`L5D%,(24D0SDP5#DL5EL\2"0G(SA05#HM1BDX2RQ"4TE<7C\P M*"PJ)S1*5$HM)D,R*2Q*1S-`0@I-46!,43H]4EQ&*"TF0#@H4CA=(EQ@,B8B M(DE(4#M-.RPD,"8B(U!`3B)-2B0R/"PF,2A,63<N/C0\-"PF"DTA*217.%Y* M5$8T3"<[3"(A(3!>,BT\+E93+4Q2/$Y00"%"*$=3,414/2PS*#8^3R91.4!7 M.SI2+F`G)D<*32PY5%(H+D)`,C`O5T,Q3#!%75<L/C,L4%TE.%DY/"LL1C4L M)RU(0%H\3C507T1()U$E/E@X/#LP2C(N,`I-,S%;/S@^(V!&-4XF0RA:2S8[ M/BHT+$\V*S503BA.,S)-.$TW*U5>7V!`1#H_*"P](2XF(4%1+$\[3U!8"DU< M3C)(14,D2S8D2E]/3U=;7B\O2U=<7E]/7U]?8&`X2%@H8"0E1D-`0#!`1DHN M(B(C(SM(6"@L,#%"0T$*04$A,38Z+B8E)B8Z2%@X.#P]3D-!05(B)BHN*B@I M*3E(6$A$2$E*0T)"0#@B"F`*?0JL?5QP87)D7'1X,3<R,%QT>#,T-#!<='@U M,3@P7'1X-CDP,%QT>#@V-#!<='@Q,#,V,%QT>#$R,#@P7'1X,3,X,C!<='@Q M-34T,%QT>#$W,C@P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L,%QF<S(T7&9C,"!<"EP*+2U<"B!' 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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need suggestions for NS/FIP software (LONG) Message-ID: <70115@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 6 Aug 93 03:49:53 GMT References: <238tn2$a4@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <23gth1$h3@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > Telecommunications: Is there is anything to utilize a modem? This >doesn't convcern me much now, but I know others who want this support as soon >as they get NS/FIP installed. I have heard of SLiPCommander (sp?), but beyond >that I am completely ignorant on the topic. you can get a NS/FIP version of kermit from watson.columbia.edu for free in the directory /pub/kermit/bin -- read the READ.ME file for the file name. kermit uses commands instead of mouse clicks but is extremely easy to use, works everywhere, has lots of features, and its latest version is pretty reasonably fast. people used to seem to think that sz/rz were much faster, and least in the old days, but I found no difference compared to a properly configured version of the new C-kermit. actually kermit was faster more often than not. and its certainly easier to use. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Date: 5 Aug 1993 23:23:39 -0500 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <23smcb$12i@valinor.cubetech.com> References: <1993Aug3.191310.3696@metrosoft.com> <23p2k1$77e@valinor.cubetech.com> I have thus far recieved three pieces of mail and four followups to my post about SimonSays. One mail was from a user who uses it to move bewteen news articles. One was some smtp forged mail from Hal 9000 who informed me that he could not open the pod bay dor... The third was a particularly nasty piece of mail from Gordon VanHuizen. The four news followups consisted of a user who uses it mainly as a shortcut for those long emacs commands, another uses it for lauching apps, starting sequences of commands, etc.. One person did sound like he used it quite often, but did not enumerate his use of the product. I still stand behind my belief that a simple macro app like QuicKeys would do the trick just as well (much better in my case for some reason) without the environmental limitations. I still think that for the approximately $270 I spent on an Audio-Technica Pro-8 microphone and SimonSays I could have purchased around eighteen music compact discs and immensely enjoyed listening to them at high volume while working. However, because I don't think I am generally a bad-sport who enjoys taking pot-shots at products I will give SimonSays another chance. I'm going to re-train everything 5 times (as suggested by a SimonSays user). I'm going to get a new XLR->head-set jack adaptor just in case this one is adding noise that affects recognition. I am NOT going to play disc 3 of the Led Zeppelen box set while using SimonSays, no matter how tempting. I will post a complete report in a couple of weeks. I'll try to be as objective as possible. The version I have is 1.1a. If there is a newer version I would very much like to get upgrade information so this test can be fair. Also, I would also like to give lots of credit to Greg Cockcroft and all of the other people who worked on SimonSays. It is by no stretch of the imagination a bad product. It's quite nicely done with a slick user interface, and is very stable (I was a beta tester for a while as well, so I used to work with SimonSays quite a bit), and Greg was always quick with fixes, sometimes compiling special versions for me. I just don't think the recognition is good enough to be useful (and it's a tad slow). andrew (In My Time of Dying...) -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis finger me for my pgp public key
From: treed@bmt.gun.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Summer sales? Date: 6 Aug 1993 00:36:22 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9308060520.AA00880@karubi.bmt.gun.com> We still have Connect It! available at a special summer price. Connect It! sets up UUCP, sendmail, and e-mail for NEXTSTEP 3 computers. Check comp.sys.next.announce for details or send e-mail to info@bmt.gun.com. Tim --- Timothy Reed, Black Market Technologies Voice: +1 718 522-5090 Fax: +1 718 852-4249 E-mail: treed@bmt.gun.com "Reading documentation is an admission of failure." In comp.sys.next.misc article <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> you wrote: > Are there any other NeXT developers, other than Rightbrain, which have > special pricing for the rest of the summer? > > > -- > Philip McDunnough > University of Toronto > philip@utstat.toronto.edu > [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: andylee@idealicus.com (Andy A. Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TIFF to Mac Date: 6 Aug 1993 07:38:59 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <23t1qj$mju@news.cerf.net> How do I port a TIFF image saved from Grab.app to a Macintosh usable file? That is, more specifically, I need to include a Grab.app saved TIFF file in a (Macintosh) MicroSoft Word 5.1 document. I already tried: (1) Insert->Picture, but Word won't recognize the TIFF file, (2) so I used ResEdit to change the file's TYPE to TIFF (leaving the CREATOR as Unix), afterwards Word Inse rt->Picture recognizes the TIFF file, but says there is an "error in conversion file" when loading it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh, but I don't want to spend over $100 doing this, becasue I only need to do this for one (maybe two) TIFF picture. the CREATOR as Unix), afterwards Word Inse
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: espionage anyone? Message-ID: <1993Aug6.044344.18546@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <Aug03.155648.67148@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 04:43:44 GMT In article <Aug03.155648.67148@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: > has anyone heard of the plotting program espionage? is it > shipping? does it exist? do you know who i could contact > for more information? I don't think Espionage is shipping yet, but you should be able to send mail to info@logicstream.com for more information. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: TypeView fire sale Message-ID: <1993Aug6.084516.6601@csus.edu> Summary: pi in your face Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1303@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 08:45:16 GMT In article <1303@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >This is a really great application. I use it every other day to find >symbols in Zapf Dingbats that I can't remember how to type, to find >fractions (they're in almost every font, but you can't type them!) and >things like that. If nothing else, you can learn a lot about fonts from >inspecting existing ones. Wanna see a neat trick? uudecode this article. begin 444 chars M("$B(R0E)B<H*2HK+"TN+S`Q,C,T-38W.#DZ.SP]/C\*0$%"0T1%1D=(24I+ M3$U.3U!14E-455976%E:6UQ=7E\*8&%B8V1E9F=H:6IK;&UN;W!Q<G-T=79W M>'EZ>WQ]?G\*@(&"@X2%AH>(B8J+C(V.CY"1DI.4E9:7F)F:FYR=GI\*H*&B MHZ2EIJ>HJ:JKK*VNK["QLK.TM;:WN+FZN[R]OK\*P,'"P\3%QL?(R<K+S,W. MS]#1TM/4U=;7V-G:V]S=WM\*X.'BX^3EYN?HZ>KK[.WN[_#Q\O/T]?;W^/GZ &^_S]_O\* ` end You now have a file containing all 224 positions normally used to encode printable characters. Open it in Edit. Type Command-A Command-T. Choose the font and size you want and copy and paste away. (Or just "cat" it in a Terminal window.) TypeView is a cool program, and it's certainly worth picking up at the "fire sale" price--but it's overkill if all you need to do is select dingbats and fractions. -=EPS=-
From: dlisoski@bluff.galcit.caltech.edu (Derek L. Lisoski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Copying binary files to a DOS floppy? Date: 6 Aug 1993 07:10:04 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: na Message-ID: <23t04cINNpqo@gap.caltech.edu> I am running NS3.1 on a 040 'station and am trying to copy a couple of Mathematica files to a DOS formatted floppy. When I try the copy I get "File error for <filename>: Invalid argument" and it wont copy the files. Copying pure ASCII text files works OK, put anything else gives me a similar error. What am I doing wrong?? Thanks for any info - derek dlisoski@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.windows.x From: chr@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de (Christian Veith) Subject: X leaves me with one button instead of three Message-ID: <CBCGDK.5q@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de> Organization: Siemens AG Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 15:29:44 GMT Hi, with the invaluable assistance of the net, I managed to install X11R5 on our NeXT, and it works perfectly - almost. There is one little problem left: When I start X as root, everything works; when I start X from a different account, I only have one mouse button available. The settings for root are left button = Button1, right button = Buttonr3, both buttons = Button2. I checked with xev and xmodmap, and somehow the same code (usually "Button1") is returned for everything. The fact that it works for root made me think that this might be a problem with the permissions in /dev. By the way, which one is the driver for the mouse in /dev? Any ideas? chr --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christian Veith | chr@zfe.siemens.de Siemens AG, Munich, Germany | +49-89-636-44519 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there source code available for GatorFTP+ 1.3 NS3.0+? Date: 6 Aug 1993 16:29:19 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <23u0sv$ogd@news.acns.nwu.edu> Hi, I seem to have seen the source code distributed on the archive sites once, but couldn't find it any more. any info????? Thanks, -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Aug06.163204.33221@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1993 16:32:04 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1304@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1304@rtbrain.rightbrain.com>, glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: |> |> 75% off SALE! EDU RETAIL |> PasteUp: $199 $149 $795 |> |> We got a really great response to our 50% off sale last month, and it |> led us to an interesting observation. We had previously lowered the |> Educational price of PasteUp to $299, and during the 50% off sale it |> was |> only $149. Almost ALL of our sales last month were to educational |> people, |> evidently because we broke below a magic price barrier for a lot of |> people. |> That made us think that maybe a lot of people want to buy it, but |> haven't |> been able to convince themselves to spend the money for it. |> You've got that right. Even at $299 it's a real hit when you're a student. I just couldn't resist, though, at $149. |> So this month we're extending the educational price of $149 for one |> more |> month for PasteUp, continuing to sell Adobe fonts at 50% off retail, |> and |> we're going to try reducing the price of regular old PasteUp from |> $795 |> to only $199 for the rest of this month to see whether it's simply |> price |> sensitivity or whether there really are a lot more educational people |> on |> the net than everybody else. Thanks RightBrain!! One more copy of PasteUp into circulation... Now I wish NeXT would get the same idea. Tony Maas tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (no NeXTmail...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: TIFF to Mac Message-ID: <CBCJoB.E20@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <23t1qj$mju@news.cerf.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 16:41:01 GMT In article <23t1qj$mju@news.cerf.net> andylee@idealicus.com (Andy A. Lee) writes: >How do I port a TIFF image saved from Grab.app to a Macintosh usable file? Strip the alpha-component. I don't know how to do that under NS 3.1, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a way to do it. I used to use Icon and "Save As..." to strip the alpha-component, but I couldn't find any such functionality in Grab or IconBuilder. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Re: SimonSays Message-ID: <1993Aug6.143446.1096@proforma.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated References: <23smcb$12i@valinor.cubetech.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 14:34:46 GMT >I just don't think the recognition is good enough to be useful (and >it's a tad slow). > >andrew@cubetech.com I think what you are seeing here has little to do with the product. In my opinion, people don't want to talk to their computers, and they don't want their computers talking to them. They don't know this in advance, however, and thus people think voice activation and response is one of the next big things. Only HAL-level interaction is useful. We aren't likely to see that very soon. The key factor is the number of mistakes in interpretation made by the system. It has to be really, really small in order for humans to tolerate it. What if I said "What?" after every 100th or so word you said? It would drive you nuts, and you would avoid talking to me eventually. The keyboard and mouse (or trackball) are pretty good input devices. Not perfect, but it is going to be hard to displace them. --J Gregory
From: randyc@panix.com (Randy Clyde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Virus software? Date: 6 Aug 1993 15:23:02 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <23ub2m$iiq@panix.com> Does anyone know about anti-virus software for Next's? Please post or E-mail any information. I would prefer software available over the net.
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Date: 6 Aug 1993 19:25:16 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <23ub6s$3i7@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Aug06.163204.33221@rchland.ibm.com> Out of curiosity, what does PasteUp do? I am looking for NS/FIP word processor/DTP app. I need support for: medium size documents (1 - 30 pages in general), equations (preferably native editor as opposed to EquationBuilder), tiff & eps import support, numbering of everything (figures, pages, equations, etc). Does PasteUp do this or is it an over-glorified Edit? -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Appleshare and NetWare connections through a gateway? Date: 6 Aug 1993 18:41:50 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <23u8le$m2q@hub.ucsb.edu> Our network of NeXTs is separated from the main university network by a gateway machine (an old Sun). We have our own subdomain for our department. I know that there are a large number of Netware servers at the university-level domain, but when I run Netware on our main NeXT, I get the following error: Jul 30 12:22:58 foxtrot mach: NetWare protocol enabled for interface en0, type " 10MB Ethernet" Jul 30 12:23:07 foxtrot syslog: npsd: Bind failed: No response from server. I do not know very much about Netware, but I know that a colleague of mine at another university (whose NeXT sat right on the university's domain level) simply started up the NetWare software and poof, 30 entries appeared in the NetWare directory. I am therefor assuming that the problem has to do with our gateway filtering out the packets we need. Is there a way around this problem? Thanks in advance. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 6 Aug 93 20:13:21 GMT References: <23ub6s$3i7@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com David J. Fischer writes > > Out of curiosity, what does PasteUp do? I am looking for NS/FIP word > processor/DTP app. I need support for: medium size documents (1 - 30 pages in > general), equations (preferably native editor as opposed to EquationBuilder), > tiff & eps import support, numbering of everything (figures, pages, equations, > etc). Does PasteUp do this or is it an over-glorified Edit? PasteUp is a full-featured DTP page layout application. It has a very sophisticated text engine, full support for imported graphics, full rotation, scaling, and skewing of all objects (including text), hyphenation, spell checking, drag-and-drop paragraph styles, full color support, and lots more. It does not have an equation editor. It also does not automatically number anything except pages (although the page numbering is very flexible). We didn't want to compete directly with FrameMaker at the time, so we didn't implement some of the numbering and cross-referencing kinds of things. Instead, we did a lot of things they didn't, like provide for rotation, use of color, separations, and things like that. It's definitely more than a glorified Edit (if you want a glorified Edit, we're working on that too; it'll be called ExactlyWrite, and it's just a simple word processor. It will ship hopefully in a couple of months). We'll send you a brochure or more information if you like. Send Email to "info@rightbrain.com" -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: TIFF to Mac Message-ID: <1993Aug6.204359.15506@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <CBCJoB.E20@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 20:43:59 GMT ctm@ardi.com writes > In article <23t1qj$mju@news.cerf.net> andylee@idealicus.com (Andy A. Lee) writes: > >How do I port a TIFF image saved from Grab.app to a Macintosh usable file? > > Strip the alpha-component. I don't know how to do that under NS 3.1, but > that doesn't mean that there isn't a way to do it. I used to use Icon and > "Save As..." to strip the alpha-component, but I couldn't find any such > functionality in Grab or IconBuilder. > > --Cliff > ctm@ardi.com 1. Icon works fine under both 3.0 and 3.1. Use a patched Icon and get the 2.1 resources it need. 2. An easier method without Icon: tifftopnm test.tiff | ppmquant 256 | pnmtotiff -none > test2.tiff tifftopnm, ppmquant and pnmtotiff are pbmplus utilities. The above sequence produces an 8bit tiff file that can be opened with NIH Image on the Mac. You have to set filetype to TIFF first. - Barre Ludvigsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Joseph R. Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> Subject: Check this out (Configure.app)! Message-ID: <1993Aug6.193724.9949@TetraSoft.com> Sender: Joe@TetraSoft.com Organization: TetraSoft International Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 19:37:24 GMT Another fun feature... on NS/FIP, open the info panel of Configure.app. Now hold downn both alt keys and double click on the monitor. Voila! :-) Cheers, = Joe = p.s., rumor has it that the NeXT logo was once a picture of Steve! -- Joe Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> (e-mail and NeXT-Mail accepted.) #include <StandardDisclaimer.h> TetraSoft International Business and Personal Productivity NeXTSTEP Apps.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: rtomasso@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Richard Tomasso x3061) Subject: NeXTStep on PowerPC Message-ID: <1993Aug6.203214.3224@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> Organization: Sanders Associates References: <23ub2m$iiq@panix.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 20:32:14 GMT Anyone know if the porting of NeXTStep to the PowerPC platform is planned in the near (or distant) future? It would seem to me to be a great place to try and establish some market share.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: Gateway 2000, chickens, and eggs. Help! In-Reply-To: chris@aardvark.rain.com's message of Wed, 4 Aug 1993 03:54:43 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug6113028@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <CB7uv8.1LC@aardvark.rain.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 16:30:28 GMT I can answer the BONUS question: How do you bypass the memory check in a Gateway 2000 boot sequence? Hit the spacebar. Not documented. Has helped as I am now aware of the keyboard thing (although not yet tried it), and I have rebooted alot! -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Urgent! Virtuoso-help needed! Message-ID: <1993Aug6.210042.860@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Aug5.162003.7529@altsys.com> <CBApG3.CEy@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 21:00:42 GMT In article <CBApG3.CEy@cobra.cs.unm.edu> ctm@ardi.com writes: >In article <1993Aug5.162003.7529@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >>In article <1993Aug4.201553.1266@boba.rhein-main.de> borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >>> >>>Hi, NeXT-World! >>> >>>... [problem description elided] >>> >>Borris, >> >>>... [problem solution elided] >> >>-- >>Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com >>NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Now that's the kind of sales manager that I like to see. Of course this >begs the question about their technial support. When you talk to technical >support, are they even more responsive and knowlegeable or is it like infants >switched at birth and technical support's response is to try to sell you >something you don't need? > >Pardon the slam on salespeople. Obviously I recognize that the above >is a stereotype. I wanted to thank Lorin and the humorous question just >popped into my head. > > --Cliff > ctm@ardi.com The funny thing is, I was born a tester, transmogrified into a tech support dude and then became a salesman (all of the above at Altsys, a l'il chunk o' heaven). So I can find problems. solve problems or sell you something you do need (I haven't learned how to sell people stuff they don't need). Thanks, Cliff for the kudos.. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Anyone running Renderman on a Next? Message-ID: <jhough.744673865@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 21:51:05 GMT I know that RenderMan and Quick RenderMan are built in to the Next environment. I am currently in a position where I need to learn how to use Renderman before next summer. Since Next is offering the 486 version of their software for such a great price, it seems like a great and inexpensive way to get RenderMan running on my PC. So, I'm wondering in anyone out there is doing it, and what they recommend I do to get it running. I'm told I will need some sort of 3rd party modeler as well. If anyone would be willing to help, I would much appriciate it. Thanks in advance... Jason -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virus software? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1993 16:06:26 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-060893160626@17.220.88.2> References: <23ub2m$iiq@panix.com> In article <23ub2m$iiq@panix.com>, randyc@panix.com (Randy Clyde) wrote: > Does anyone know about anti-virus software for Next's? Please post or > E-mail any information. I would prefer software available over the net. I guess I haven't heard or thought much about this, but have there been virus problems with NeXTSTEP (or would the viruses only attack the UNIX utilities?) [We should probably keep this low-key or else we'll get Mark Crispen all excited.] -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Virus software? Message-ID: <1993Aug7.010107.14044@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <23ub2m$iiq@panix.com> <deluxe-060893160626@17.220.88.2> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 01:01:07 GMT In article <deluxe-060893160626@17.220.88.2> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: >I guess I haven't heard or thought much about this, but have there been >virus problems with NeXTSTEP (or would the viruses only attack the UNIX >utilities?) Nope. None. Zero. Zilch. NEXTSTEP (and pretty much all UNIX- based systems) are IMMUNE from computer viruses because they have hardware, memory, and file protection features that "toy" "operating systems" (e.g. DOS, Windoze, MacOS) lack. At worse, a UNIX virus might attack your personal files, but it couldn't touch the system itself, or any of its components. You are at risk if you use emulation software such as SoftPC or Executor, but since those will run the usual anti-virus software as well as the usual viruses, they're no better or worse than the environments they emulate. I would advise NeXT users to create a separate user id to run questionable software under-- that way it can't cause trouble no matter how much mischief it attempts. [This topic should be in the FAQ list.] -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) Subject: Re: Copying binary files to a DOS floppy? Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 01:53:10 GMT Message-ID: <27509@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet News at rsoft.bc.ca) this is an annoying bug that won't go away. the filename needs to be all lowercase. grant -- Objective Business Systems Inc. Phone: 604.682.0510 Fax: 604.682.6579 Email: OBS_Inc@MindLink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: u8021804@cc.nctu.edu.tw () Subject: How to see a Dos partition in a dual boot hard disk Message-ID: <1993Aug7.033900.10367@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 03:39:00 GMT
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virus software? Date: 7 Aug 1993 04:18:40 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <23vaf0$lj4@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Aug7.010107.14044@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: > >I guess I haven't heard or thought much about this, but have > >there been virus problems with NeXTSTEP (or would the viruses > >only attack the UNIX utilities?) > > Nope. None. Zero. Zilch. NEXTSTEP (and pretty much all UNIX- > based systems) are IMMUNE from computer viruses because they have > hardware, memory, and file protection features that "toy" "operating > systems" (e.g. DOS, Windoze, MacOS) lack. At worse, a UNIX virus > might attack your personal files, but it couldn't touch the system > itself, or any of its components. True, in the hands of trained professionals, but it must be noted that any package you install as userid "root" can do anything it wants to. The installation instructions for some packages do require the user to logon as root (often for understandable reasons), and if something is running from userid root then it can do pretty much the same kind of damage that a Mac or DOS virus can do. Note that it's anything you run as user root that would have this ability (including programs that are setuid root, of course). Thus you might log into root to install a perfectly valid package, but if you run some other program "while you're there" then that other program could very well do nasty stuff to you -- if it were so inclined. So it'd be considered pretty stupid practice to run freebee games picked up off the net while you're logged onto root. While Unix systems are much less susceptible to viruses, it's certainly not out of the question, despite what the above comments imply. It's just a lot more work for the malicious user, and it requires a little complacency on the part of the "administrator" of the NeXT -- which for many NeXT's is a person who is not a unix computer whiz (and thus may be somewhat complacent). And this is probably as good a time as any to mention that if your NeXT is not on the network, then you should not turn on the Preference called "Public Window Server" in the Unix window of Preferences.app. If that's on, and if your NeXT is reachable via the network, then it's possible for someone to run a program which would do a very adept imitation of a destructive virus. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <1993Aug7.063509.7604@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <23smcb$12i@valinor.cubetech.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 06:35:09 GMT In article <23smcb$12i@valinor.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: > I have thus far recieved three pieces of mail and four followups to my > post about SimonSays. [...] The third > was a particularly nasty piece of mail from Gordon VanHuizen. I'm surpised you found my response to your post "particularly nasty". I, of course, didn't see it as being nasty at all. The courtesy of a reply would have been nice, so we could straighten this out. The main point of my letter was that I'm in a good position to know how many people are still using the product, since I see the upgrade requests come through and I see the number of update disks that we've shipped. Your post to the net *was* a potshot attempt at making a point. Is making that observation and pointing out that we picked up SimonSays primarily to provide continued support to existing users "nasty"? Anyway... > I still stand behind my belief that a simple macro app like QuicKeys > would do the trick just as well (much better in my case for some > reason) without the environmental limitations. I'm pleased to hear that, since we'll be coming out with one this fall. It'll cost significantly less than Simon. It will be on a par with QuicKeys for functionality (the current QuicKeys release isn't *that* simple by the way), and will have a slick UI as only a NEXTSTEP app can have. > I'm going to re-train everything 5 times (as suggested by a SimonSays > user). This really shouldn't be necessary. I use Simon in a not-so-quiet environment, with a cheap Radio Shack desktop mike that I bark commands into. Works quite well. Everybody's mileage can vary on a speech recognition product, though. We are looking at improving the training process for the 2.0 release, both with enhacements to the speech recognition kernel from Greg Cockroft and with new UI enhancements. > I am NOT going to play disc 3 of the Led Zeppelen box set while using > SimonSays, no matter how tempting. Based on personal experience, Simon is not so fond of Nine Inch Nails and Ministry either. :-) > The version I have is 1.1a. If there is a newer version I would very > much like to get upgrade information so this test can be fair. There is a 1.5 available from us. We posted the availability of it to c.s.n.a and other sources, and have received a flood of people interested in the upgrade. We'd inform all existing users, but we don't have access to the original customer list in its entirety. You can send a request to info@metrosoft.com about upgrades. > Also, I would also like to give lots of credit to Greg Cockcroft and > all of the other people who worked on SimonSays. It is by no stretch > of the imagination a bad product. This wasn't clear from your initial post, but I'm pleased to see that you think it has value. > It's quite nicely done with a slick > user interface, and is very stable (I was a beta tester for a while as > well, so I used to work with SimonSays quite a bit), and Greg was > always quick with fixes, sometimes compiling special versions for me. We intend to maintain this level of support, plus keeping users better informed of updates and their availability. > I just don't think the recognition is good enough to be useful (and > it's a tad slow). Everybody's mileage varies. Speech recognition isn't a terribly mature technology. For a number of people that have contacted us (actually EVERYONE that has contacted us), Simon is apparently quite useful. At Simon's price, we think it's a solid value considering the state of the technology and comparable products on other platforms. The recognition speed should increase on white hardware as well - but that has yet to be seen. Regards, Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Date: 7 Aug 1993 03:09:49 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <23vv1d$6l6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <23smcb$12i@valinor.cubetech.com> <1993Aug7.063509.7604@metrosoft.com> I am real excited about Simon as it (or he) has the potential to be a primary resource to teachers in the fields of ESL (English as a second language) or LED (Limited English Development). I'd love to tweak a program like Spasm so that students could verbally interact to learn better diction and placement. Simon could even be used to define any word within a book on CD-ROM using the mouse macros to access digital Webster. The main hang up I've had has been in training Simon. Training Simon is a problem since most of my students have limited english speaking and reading skills. Even when I speak clearly I have to be very assertive to Simon or he won't listen up. But then again I don't have the use of a headset mic yet. Its still a problem none the less since one goal is to speak better english in addition to expanding vocabulary. I also wonder how well Simon would work on a DOS 286 machine since most computerlabs in our district are comprised of them. Expecting Simon to work on a network is probably wishful thinking huh. As far as a headset choice goes on black hardware; I don't see the point in getting the "best" mic, especially since the resolution is 8-bit. My concerns are based upon durability, weight, and price. And in that respect I'd probably go with $10 telephone headset--swap meet bargain basement stuff. I suppose one could always go with a chordless top of the line headset in the 1K range but who needs that. Besides, if you drop, sit on or step on--and you will--the $10 headset who's gonna care. Splurge, buy two. See ya, maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug7.044420.698@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 04:44:20 GMT In article <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > It does not have an equation editor. It also does not automatically > number anything except pages (although the page numbering is very > flexible). We didn't want to compete directly with FrameMaker > at the time, so we didn't implement some of the numbering and > cross-referencing kinds of things. Instead, we did a lot of Perhaps its time that an app existed that did compete with FrameMaker. After all, it doesn't look like they'll be much use anymore. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fozzie@turtle.apana.org.au (Fozzie Bear) Subject: How can I find out... Organization: Turtle Systems - The Internet Development Site +6189 711 177 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 02:42:12 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug7.024212.5472@turtle.apana.org.au> Hi Folks, How can I find out what comes in the developer kit or any of the kits sold. I want to look at running NeXTSTEP on an Intel platform, but I have no idea which software configuration is going to suit me best! I guess this has also been asked here a million times, but! Will a 486DX2/66 with 8mb of ram be adequate to run NeXTSTEP? The hard drive wont be a problem as it's over a gig. Any help would be appreciated. Or even pointing in the right direction of Nextanswers index files would be good. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- fozzie@turtle.apana.org.au I'm looking for an ascii turtle picture. If you've got one, email it to me!
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virus software? Date: 7 Aug 1993 15:10:50 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <240glq$5j5@umd5.umd.edu> References: <23ub2m$iiq@panix.com> <deluxe-060893160626@17.220.88.2> <1993Aug7.010107.14044@csus.edu> This could be a terminology debate. The traditional "virus" (e.g. the one that loads itself into various and sundry system areas and does its mischief there) can't happen on a Unix box. Something can only harm your own files, or any files you have access to (thus, if you hit the "virus" as root, all bets are off). You ARE susceptible to trojan horses and worms. I recommend getting COPS from anonymous FTP to cert.sei.cmu.edu (same as cert.org) and looking over the README files, and perusing the Internet for security related files most of which are archived at cert.org too). ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Sit on a happy face.
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software From: phaedrus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Can one use a HP Deskjet 500C with NS 3.1? Message-ID: <1993Aug6.170419.29038@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <23qnmv$ab@email.tuwien.ac.at> <1993Aug5.211531.424@dart.de> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 17:04:19 GMT In article <1993Aug5.211531.424@dart.de> wbeeck@dart.de writes: >In article <23qnmv$ab@email.tuwien.ac.at> gadinger@galadriel.tuwien.ac.at >(Anton Gadinger) writes: >> O.K., it IS a silly question - is there a way to hook a HP DJ 500C to NS >> 3.1 on a 486? Do HP sell a driver or something to make these lowmarket >> things (software side) PostScriptable? Please tell if you know! >> >> Alex Wilkie, currently no email@addr! (sorry) > >We're selling a printer-driver, called "Dots", which allows you to output to >many non-PostScript printing devices, including the HP Deskjet 500C. > Instead of using Dots you might also want to take a look at the stuff I hacked together using Ghostscript for driving the HP550C. I posted the instructions on sonata.cc.purdue.edu several months ago. It's in /pub/next/lore/HPDeskJet550C.tar.Z You just have to select the 500C instead of the 550C when compiling Ghostscript. By now, Ghostscript has gone through several revisions and the instructions may have to be changed a little bit. My method results in passable quality color/text output. On the other hand, if you are willing to shell out the $250 for Dots, it is actually pretty good. I had a chance to see it in action where I work and I was impressed. Good luck, Avery Wang Institut fuer Neuroinformatik (until September 1993, then back) Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum (to Stanford) ND 03/32, Postfach 10 21 48 44780 Bochum Germany Tel: +49-234-700-7994 (office) -7094-210 (Fax) email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu avery@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: Help! eps attachment in mail. Message-ID: <1993Aug7.095154.12556@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <23k5gb$8jm@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 09:51:54 GMT In article <23k5gb$8jm@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: -> jbrierre@telenet.com writes -> > Does anyone out there know whether a .eps file can be -> > dragged onto the mail window and be displayed as an icon? -> -> You can put the eps file in a folder and include the -> folder. You should even be able to put a .dir.tiff in -> the folder to make the folder have any icon you want. -> -> I know of no other way. You can also rename it to have a .ps extension and note to the recipient that it should be renamed back after dragging off. If double-clicked, it will still open their default PostScript viewer (probably Preview.app) Even though it has a different subset of the Document Structuring Conventions, it is a PostScript file... :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: TypeView fire sale Message-ID: <1993Aug6.142601.19860@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1303@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 14:26:01 GMT In article <1303@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >TypeView is a very cool application [...]. This is true. I use TypeView frequently. >Send us email at "info@rightbrain.com", fax us, or call 800-472-7246 to >take advantage of this great sale on this great app. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E M,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!< M='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP M7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I<"DEN(&%R=&EC;&4@/#$S,#-`<G1B M<F%I;BYR:6=H=&)R86EN+F-O;3X@9VQE;FY`<FEG:'1B<F%I;BYC;VT@*$=L M96YN(%)E:60I('=R:71E<SI<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#!<='@Q,3(P7'1X,C(T,%QT M>#,S-C!<='@T-#@P7'1X-38P,%QT>#8W,C!<='@W.#0P7'1X.#DV,%QT>#$P M,#@P7'1X,3$R,#!<='@Q,C,R,%QT>#$S-#0P7'1X,30U-C!<='@Q-38X,%QT M>#$V.#`P7'1X,3<Y,C!<='@Q.3`T,%QT>#(P,38P7'1X,C$R.#!<9F,Q7&-F M,2!<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#$W,C!<='@S-#0P7'1X-3$X,%QT>#8Y,#!<='@X-C0P M7'1X,3`S-C!<='@Q,C`X,%QT>#$S.#(P7'1X,34U-#!<='@Q-S(X,%QF8S%< M8V8Q(#Y4>7!E5FEE=R!I<R!A('9E<GD@8V]O;"!A<'!L:6-A=&EO;B!;+BXN M72Y<"EP*5&AI<R!I<R!T<G5E+B!)('5S92!4>7!E5FEE=R!F<F5Q=65N=&QY M+EP*7`H^4V5N9"!U<R!E;6%I;"!A="`B:6YF;T!R:6=H=&)R86EN+F-O;2(L M(&9A>"!U<RP@;W(@8V%L;"`X,#`M-#<R+3<R-#8@=&]<"CYT86ME(&%D=F%N M=&%G92!O9B!T:&ES(&=R96%T('-A;&4@;VX@=&AI<R!G<F5A="!A<'`N7`I< M"DT@0V%R;&EN9UP*4')E<VED96YT+"!"87D@07)E82!.95A4($=R;W5P"GT* `
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What is *.gif file and how do I view it? Message-ID: <53059@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 7 Aug 93 16:17:49 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD *.gif is some kind of file which stores pictures. Can it be viewed on a NeXT? What other kinds of machines? Thanks, Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Recycler dock location Message-ID: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 17:21:16 GMT Out of curiosity, where do most NS users position their recycler in the dock? Until recently, I had always left mine at the very bottom, like a good school boy just doing as he was told. Recently, I finally got tired of the "long trip" all the way to the bottom. I decided to move it up to the fourth position from the top of the dock (black hardware.) My shelf has two rows, so the positioning works out perfectly for the recycler. When I want to recycle something all it takes is a tiny little movement to the right and the deed is done. It took a few hours or so to become accustomed to the new location, but now it feels natural and seems to work out fine. Anybody else experimented with this already, or am I starting a trend? :-)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Date: 7 Aug 1993 17:55:58 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <240qbe$1ii@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> In article <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com>, John Bartley <john@wpa.com> wrote: >[moved recycler higher in the dock] >It took a few hours or so to become accustomed to the new location, but >now it feels natural and seems to work out fine. Anybody else experimented >with this already, or am I starting a trend? :-) I've put mine in the lower right corner, where I've grown very accustomed to whizzing stuff into it with barely a thought to the location or the distance. A fast flip gets the stuff right down there. The only problem I've encountered is that when I'm using someone else's NeXT, I can't find the thing, because it's usually on the other side. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <> <> UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-------> Warning: the American "melting pot" is filled with bleach. <--------]
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there anything wrong with 'talk'? Keywords: Unique Relationships Message-ID: <18789@news.duke.edu> Date: 8 Aug 93 03:22:51 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu 'Evening folks! Yes, here it is. It's 'Sat Aug 7 23:11:40 EDT 1993' and where are the Blakeley's? Why, Dean's doing some statistics work with Sas and Improv and Denise is getting ready to finish the new version of Opener. All, of course, on our hippy-dippy home NeXT network. (Gee, we're so cutting edge!) Suddenly, Dean decides to be cute and set up a 'talk' session with his wife. But, when he goes to the command line he gets: legolas.dean-2> talk denise You don't exist. Go away. Hmmm. This is odd behavior. But, Dean remembers that maybe there's something screwy about the 'talk' distributed with NeXTSTEP 3.1. Either that or something isn't working just right with the network permissions between elrond and legolas. Any thoughts about how I can more effectively communicate with my spouse would be appreciated. B^) Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with NEXTSTEP 3.1 fip CDs (please read and pass this info on!!) Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Orlando / Winter Park, FL Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 03:10:30 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug8.031030.28214@bilver.uucp> References: <23m021$7l1@menudo.uh.edu> <1993Aug4.225309.15578@umiami.ir.miami.edu> In article <1993Aug4.225309.15578@umiami.ir.miami.edu> therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes: >In article <23m021$7l1@menudo.uh.edu>, sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: >> >> (Please alert your vendor of this potential problem!!! Also tell anyone you >> know who isn't on the net...) >> We have discovered a potentially serious problems with some shipments of >> NEXTSTEP 3.1/fip CDs that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to install NEXTSTEP on any >> hardware because the CD cannot be read: >> There seems to have been a defect in the packaging phase during the >> production of batch of NEXTSTEP 3.1 CDs. These CDs are "fogged." That is, >> they have a thin film over the back of the CD (side opposite of the label). >> At first we thought it was due to humidity, but now we are not sure what it >> is. However, we believe that the defect happened during the packaging phase >> because all of our 22 copies (from the same shipment) of NEXTSTEP 3.1/fip >> had this film. Copies from an earlier shipment were fine. ... >> This problem can be fixed if you carefully clean the CD. We sucessfully >> used "computer screen cleaner" and Windex without any problems. Apply the >> cleaner to a lint-free cloth and wipe the film off the CD. After the CD is >> cleaned, installation and use of the CD should be problem free (that is if >> there aren't any other problems like hardware incompatiblity). >> We would like to know if you come across a CD with this "defect" so please >> send me email. Just checked my copy, that I picked up earlier this week. The OS was that way, the development dis was not (see later). >Yes - We received 13 copies from NACSCorp - Academic packages. All 13 >packages have both user and developer disks fogged. The coating seems >slightly sticky, also. I used Windex also and a soft cloth and got the >disks to read. >I called NeXT and informed them of the problem - I am really disappointed >in NeXT - We are not terribly inconvenienced but this incident seems to >be one more tiny way in which NeXT is trying to kill its great software. >A little more attention to details in manufacturing would really help >NeXTstep! (Just letting off a bit of smoke - NeXT had not shown >a lot of care in handling "details" with its hardware sales and support >and seems to be right on its old track, here.) I wouldn't blame NeXT for a manufacturing problem like that. I've purchased commercial CDs with the same problem. What they could be blamed for is if they let it continue and don't inform their vendor. Plants to make these are most certainly shrink wrapping the whole package. Now - when I looked I saw an area that was not fogged. Sort of eliptical. Lo and behold, on the CD case itself there is a small serial number label. And the placement looks like it could be the same. And my developer disk was okay. The difference is the plastic in the OS was black while the developer was white. I suspect it may be out-gassing from the plastic cases, and the serial number limited the coating in that area. All it takes is a vendor who supplies a chemical to make an insignificant change (he thought) that causes problems with your formulation. I saw this happen when I worked in a recording studio and Ampex came an pulled all of our tape stock because it got sticky. A vendor had changes a component they used to make the binder, and reacted adversely to other chemicals in the binder. Don't blame NeXT, they didn't make the disk, but get them to fix them however. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: What is *.gif file and how do I view it? Message-ID: <1993Aug8.043924.10030@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <53059@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 04:39:24 GMT In article <53059@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: >*.gif is some kind of file which stores pictures. GIF(sm) is a raster graphics format owned by CompuServe, Inc. There are two versions, 87a and 89a. Specifications for both are available by anonymous FTP from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu: misc/file.formats/graphics.formats/gif87a.doc misc/file.formats/graphics.formats/gif89a.doc or from zamenhof.cs.rice.edu: pub/graphics.formats/gif87a.doc pub/graphics.formats/gif89a.doc >Can it be viewed on a NeXT? Yes. I suggest ImageViewer 0.9i (usual NeXT FTP sites) > What other kinds of machines? Just about anything with suitable hardware. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@bMD.com> Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: NeXT-Med Mailing List Message-ID: <1993Aug7.194206.8210@bmd.com> Sender: neil@bmd.com Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 19:42:06 GMT NEXT-MED A SERVICE TO HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND DEVELOPERS Last Updated: August 2, 1993 This message is a summary of the NeXT-Med charter, instructions and guidelines. Please follow these guidelines so that management of this mailing list may be kept to a minimum. 1. This list is NOT moderated! Every message that is sent to the list NeXT-Med@ms.uky.edu will be passed on to every member of the list. 2 Requests to have addresses added or removed from the list should NOT be sent to the entire list. Instead, list request should be mailed to next-med-request@ms.uky.edu requesting that you be added or removed from the list. I will try to confirm all requests with a mail message. If you do not get one, there may be a problem with sending mail to your address from my site. 3. Discussions on any topic related to NeXT use in the medical industry or relating to health care is encouraged. 4. Please avoid sending messages from "root" or from "me"; send them from your own personal account. This will avoid any potential mail problems. 5. Please avoid sending huge messages to the list. Most sites do not except mail messages larger than 100,000 bytes. Some sites restrict messages to less than 65,000 bytes. If you have a large file or a program to distribute, please consider distributing it by anonymous FTP. There is an anonymous FTP site at f.ms.uky.edu, I would be glad to archive it for you from there. 6. Do not send messages with NeXT attachments; please use straight-text only (aka Non-NeXT mail). Many people on the list do not use NeXT mail to read their mail for one reason or another. If it is an application or a formatted documents consider distributing it by anonymous FTP. Again, there is an anonymous FTP site at f.ms.uky.edu. 7. There are plans to archive NeXT-Med. For additional information regarding the archiving of NeXT-Med feel free in contacting me directly. Neil Greene NeXT Med-Moderator Email: next-med-request@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 06:15:16 GMT Message-ID: <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> References: <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Aug7.044420.698@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Robert B. Love writes: >Perhaps its time that an app existed that did compete with FrameMaker. >After all, it doesn't look like they'll be much use anymore. I totally agree. Something that's compliant with NS GUI standards would be nice too. I thought Pages by Pages would fill this need, but are they shipping yet? Last I heard it was "coming soon" but I haven't heard a single word from anyone who has it. NeXTWORLD magazine got a version of it (perhaps beta, I don't have the article in front of me) and someone wrote an article about it, but I don't recall it being a full-fledged review. If someone else has an urge to write a regular and long-document DTP app to relieve Frame, I highly suggest supporting Frame's file formats. Supporting old data is a trend I think more NS apps need to start taking up since it only gives people who have something worth keeping a reason to switch to one's app. In my opinion, the better apps can reliably load and save documents in a variety of widely used formats (even formats that don't have direct apps on that platform). I would love to see a DTP program that could at least read Frame, Pagemaker, Quark, WordPerfect (any version) and MS Word 4.x and 5.x documents completely (save Quicktime insertions) and reliably. -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: comp.unix.questions faq could use a NEXTSTEP udpate! Date: 8 Aug 1993 02:29:54 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2426h2$6c2@digifix.digifix.com> [ this is perhaps more appropriate for advocacy, but the inevitable battle over how good/bad NEXTSTEP is and the assertion by Mark Crispin that NEXTSTEP isn't doing anything right can perhaps be avoided.] The comp.unix.questions faq just rattled into my machine, and the NeXT entry is a little out of date... at least 10 months out of date. NextStep (Next): BSD4.3 over Mach kernel, own GUI. - 1.x, 2.0 (old) - 2.1 (current) - 2.2 (support for NeXT Turbo machines) - 3.0 (now shipping, optimized for 68040 machines) - 3.1 (to be announced) - NeXTSTEP 486 Beta release is scheduled for the 4th quarter 1992. Could someone (more Unix oriented) perhaps hash out an update to it? Post it here, get some comments, and then we can get it forwarded to the FAQ maintainer? as a reference, here is the SUN entries and AUX. Solaris (Sparc, 80386): - 1.0: essentially same as SunOS 4.1.1, with OpenWindows 2.0 and DeskSet utilities. - 1.0.1: SunOS 4.1.2 with multiprocessing (kernel not multithreaded); not for 386 - 2.0: (initially announced as SunOS 5.0 in 1988) based on SVR4 (with symmetric MP?), will include support for 386; with OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4) and OpenLook, DeskSet, ONC, NIS. Both a.out (BSD) and elf (SVR4) formats. Kerberos support. Compilers unbundled! SunOS (680x0, Sparc, i386): based on 4.3BSD, includes much from System V. Main Sun achievements: NFS (1984), SunView (1985), NeWS (1986, postscript imaging, now in OpenWindows), OpenLook GUI standard, OpenWindows (NeWS, X11, SunView!). Newsgroup: comp.sys.sun.*. - 3.x: SV IPC package, FIFOs - 4.0.3: lightweight processes, new virtual mem, shared libs - 4.1: STREAMS & TLI, 8-bit clean?, async I/O, ms-dos file system (continues as Solaris -- see above). A/UX (Apple): SV with Berkeley enhancements, NFS, Mac GUI. System 6 (later System 7) runs as guest of A/UX (opposite of MachTen). Newsgroup: comp.unix.aux. - 2.0: SVR2 with 4.2BSD, system 6 Mac applications. - 3.0 (1992): SVR2.2 with 4.3BSD and SVR3/4 extensions; X11R4, MacX, TCP/IP, NFS, NIS, RPC/XDR, various shells, UFS or S5FS. System 7 applications. - 4.0 will have/be OSF/1. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <CBFIH1.M3y@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Aug7.044420.698@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 07:07:48 GMT In article <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >>Perhaps its time that an app existed that did compete with FrameMaker. >>After all, it doesn't look like they'll be much use anymore. yes,yes,yes. >I totally agree. Something that's compliant with NS GUI standards >would be nice too. I thought Pages by Pages would fill this need, but >are they shipping yet? Last I heard it was "coming soon" but I >haven't heard a single word from anyone who has it. NeXTWORLD >magazine got a version of it (perhaps beta, I don't have the article >in front of me) and someone wrote an article about it, but I don't >recall it being a full-fledged review. From all my indications, Pages does not look like something you'd layout a 200 page manual in, and I would *love* to be told otherwise. What I saw at the expo and what I see in their product information indicates to me a very nice corporate word processor, for preparing professionally formatted memos, articles, summaries et al. I will probably buy it on these merits alone, but continue my search for something to do upcoming, and future, manuals in. blah, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Special Forces ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peer@ccrma.stanford.edu (Peer Landa) Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Message-ID: <1993Aug8.070621.23250@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 93 07:06:21 GMT John Bartley writes: Out of curiosity, where do most NS users position their recycler in dock? What are you using the recycler for? I don't see why anyone want to first move their hand from their keyboard to grab a clumsy devise which is used to "drag" a file into a recycler which you later on have to empty, when all this can be done by Command-r, or even better: rm in UNIX . . by the way, I have my recycler on the left side for long now, and I'm trying to look at it rather as an environmental reminder then as a function for temporary preservation and deletions of files. I've to add that I sincerely welcome Mr.Bartley post -- finally something of importance on this newsgroup. -- peer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@aardvark.rain.com (Chris Lamb) Subject: The Net works its magic! THANKS! (long, was Chickens and Eggs :-) Message-ID: <CBFMD0.ELv@aardvark.rain.com> Summary: Netters offer advice, NS/FIP now installed! Keywords: hold your mouth right, cross your fingers :-) Organization: Steve's UNIX System, Portland, Oregon Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 08:31:46 GMT Well, I'm really happy to say that I managed to get NS/FIP installed on my Gateway 2000! And I want to thank all the kind folks who sent email with suggestions and encouragement: j-weiss@nwu.edu mitch@ella.mills.edu tacchi@cc.umanitoba.ca ridgway@inls3.ucsd.edu cedman@lynx.ps.uci.edu austin@netcom.com ian_stewart@pyrian.com dean@rdcalr.realdec.com gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu One of the above is a NeXT employee, who very kindly offered to let me call him at work for assistance!! I really appreciate the offer, but thankfully I'm up and running now (but if you don't mind random Fanatics calling up and raving about how NeXT should reopen the hardware division, I'd be glad to call! :-). I had posted the "chicken and egg" problem. If I left the floppy in I couldn't get to the CD-ROM drive, but if I left the CD-ROM out of the drive I obviously couldn't mount it as the root device to do the install... Well, although I'm extremely grateful to those who responded, many with good suggestions, as it turns out, none of you were right. :-) This is one of those "hold your mouth just right, and wait for the planets to align, and try something really *silly* because it just might work" kind of fixes. The CD-ROM drive was just a little odd, or it didn't like my Adaptec board, or maybe NeXT's install floppy was doing something strange. (Not sure if this is something for "bug_next"?) Basically, I had to Put the NS/FIP CD in the caddy, but not insert it; Boot the machine, and wait until *just the right moment*, (right after the second "Resetting SCSI bus..." message), and Pop that sucker in and cross my fingers! As my recollection of SCSI protocol is rather fuzzy, the gist of this problem was that the NS installer wasn't being patient, OR the drive was just a little slow on the uptake. I got errors from the SCSI controller that led me to believe that the drive was essentially "off line", so I gambled that if I popped the CD in at just the right time, perhaps everything would jive. It did. So if you're trying to use a Sun-provided CD-ROM for your NS install maybe this is a useful tidbit. :-) A hunch. Blind luck. Whatever. I now have NeXTSTEP on this damned PC, and for now, Life Is Good. :-) HOWEVER, Is it just me, or does everyone with an ATI Ultra Pro get those horrible lines across the left edge of the display? I've tried all the available resolutions and refresh rates, but there are strange tick marks (and they change when I move or scroll things, they aren't just static) at evenly spaced intervals along the left side... I haven't had any keyboard related problems whatsoever, since I had installed the W7 jumper as mentioned here on the net a while ago. The mouse hung completely after the first reboot from the hard disk, but I managed to sorta almost use just the keyboard to log out cleanly, and that problem hasn't reoccured. (Yes, I crashed the machine and took my chances. :-) I also got bit by one of the documented Pro Audio Spectrum sound card bugs, which was quite humorous: I set my system beep sound to the bullfrog (NeXT still has a marvelous sense of fun, I suspect :-) and launched the 3D Reality demo I'd copied from the Third Party CD-ROM. Welp, they say that in some circumstances the card will get stuck and keep playing the same sound over and over and over again... The croaking bullfrog had me in stitches... but the only workaround I've found is to reboot when that happens, which is kind of a pain. As for speed...well, if I had any money I'd load this thing up with RAM, first of all. But I *really* miss the extra real-estate I enjoyed on our beloved Black Hardware. And even a poor old 25MHz '040 seemed to do a *much* better job shoving the bits around on-screen than this supposedly faster PC... I guess the world is doomed to be memory and i/o bound, like us humans. Time to swap out, head off to bed, and dream of an '060 daughterboard for my cube... (But that's another post. :-) Once again, thanks all! -- Chris -- Chris Lamb, Sr. Alchemist chris@alchemy.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <thompsonCBFqt5.34K@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <23smcb$12i@valinor.cubetech.com> <1993Aug7.063509.7604@metrosoft.com> <23vv1d$6l6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 10:07:53 GMT I use Simon with a Shure SM-10a headset mic. I hardly use Simon, though, since it's almost always faster for me to type things than for Simon to recognize them. The only instance where this isn't true is launching an app that isn't on the Dock or EngageDock.. but I haven't had a lot of time recently to bother setting up Simon to be effective. Now, one thing I've also noticed is that Simon is probably MUCH more effective the higher your voice is (and the more distinctly you pronounce your words). My voice is LOW.. and I get the feeling that Simon is trying to distinguish between a lot of rumbling noises :-) When I tried test-training some things in a higher voice, I had no problems at all. Unfortunately I'm not going to talk in falsetto all the time just so I can talk to my computer :-\ Just some thoughts. Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Re: Gateway internal modem Message-ID: <1993Aug8.082633.15471@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <austinCBEyr7.2oM@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 08:26:33 GMT In article <austinCBEyr7.2oM@netcom.com> austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) writes: > > Has anyone got the Gateway 2000 "TelePath" internal modem working? > > I read a news articule that send to configure it as COM3 with IRQ-5, I > did this but then couldn't figure out how to select it from then > FaxModem configuration panel. It only gives you a choice of A or B. > > Next I tried using the rom setup to disable COM2 (COMB) and set the > modem to COM2 IRQ-3 (?)(it was 3 or 4 but opposite from the mouse). > I then set it in FaxModem setup to 'B', but when I tryed to use it > the system hung. > > So, if you have gotten this working please let me know what you did. > > Thanks > Greg Lindholm > > P.S. I'll get my own account as so as I get my modem working. > ================================================================ Don't even bother until they fix the Drivers. All it did was cause the machine to crash evry few minutes... Rick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug8.081007.27818@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1993Aug7.044420.698@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 08:10:07 GMT In article <1993Aug7.044420.698@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) writes: > In article <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) > writes: > > It does not have an equation editor. It also does not automatically > > number anything except pages (although the page numbering is very > > flexible). We didn't want to compete directly with FrameMaker > > at the time, so we didn't implement some of the numbering and > > cross-referencing kinds of things. Instead, we did a lot of > > Perhaps its time that an app existed that did compete with FrameMaker. > After all, it doesn't look like they'll be much use anymore. > Yea, I actually bought PasteUp at the great fire sale price (thanks, RightBrain!) because I'm seeing the writing on the wall with regard to Frame and NeXTSTEP. I bought FrameMaker back when it came on OD (2.0 with a free upgrade to 3.0), and have found it to be a very powerful, well documented, portable (i.e. I could share source documents with colleagues on Macs and other UNIX boxes), but it's somewhat clunky interface, crappy eqn editor, lack of rtf understanding, and drift from the NeXTSTEP market have finally driven me to alternatives. I've been at SIGGRAPH all last week, and haven't had a chance to play with my new copy of PasteUp as much as I'd like, but I'm looking forward to writing this semester's papers in it... The printed doc is one of the best I've seen - not voluminous, but to the point, with excellent use of white space and type. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Dead Microsoft Mouse with Gateway: help requested Message-ID: <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 14:29:01 GMT Well, finally got our first 486 machine and spent yesterday loading NeXTstep (sigh.... I still like the old "spelling" best) on it. Thanks to the many helpful posts about the idiosyncracies of this system, in particular the one by Paul Sears, the installation went pretty straightforwardly. The only problem is that at the end of it all the mouse is completely dead --- odd since it works just fine in the intermediate steps needed to get the OS installed. As per Paul's post, I gave me a password, then became root, used the arrow keys to open a terminal and Edited the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table and removed the PS2Mouse entry from the boot drivers, and then rebooted. Still dead. The Turbo button was never ennabled "which I assume means, "pushed in" at any time in the installation or boot process. I'm completely stymied at this point and actively seeking help from someone willing to offer it. Paul's post was from mid-June, and I've not paid much attention to the Gateway related threads in the interim, so perhaps there is an update as to what causes this problem with the Mickey Mouse? Another question: what is the Gateway equivalent to command-command-~ on black hardware? Have needed to do a couple of hard reboots already and would like to avoid that in the future. Thanks for any and all help in advance! Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: CRACKSTEP@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Date: Sun, 08 August 1993 19:10:34 GMT Organization: CRACKSTEP Sender: news.next.com Message-ID: <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit anymore !! 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From: CRACKSTEP@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Date: Sun, 08 August 1993 19:45:01 GMT Organization: CRACKSTEP Sender: news.next.com Message-ID: <14258@news.next.com> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For additional information, contact: Alice CRACKSTEP Phone: (800) CRACKSTE FAX: (800) CRACKSTE Email: alice@wonderland.mil (NeXT Mail) CRACKSTEP International produly presents: MircoPhone Pro for Intel processors v1.0.1 (cracked) WONDERLAND, BC - CRACKSTEP Inc. today announced the crack-release of MircoPhone Pro v1.0.1, a telecommunications software for NEXTSTEP. "I believe that third-party cracks should be as easy to use as registered software. By providing complete high quality cracks and online documentation, and by posting clean cracks and crack tools on the USENET." says Alice, president of CRACKSTEP Int. [Binaries posted in group: comp.sys.next.misc] - Alice
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug8.183000.12715@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 8 Aug 93 18:30:00 GMT References: <9095@news.next.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. And I didn't think there were any complete losers using NeXTSTEP. Oh well. I guess this was to be expecte. Welcome to Intel. ---- Jonathan Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1993Aug8.190009.15548@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 19:00:09 GMT In article <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > If someone else has an urge to write a regular and long-document DTP > app to relieve Frame, I highly suggest supporting Frame's file > formats. Supporting old data is a trend I think more NS apps need to > start taking up since it only gives people who have something worth > keeping a reason to switch to one's app. In my opinion, the better > apps can reliably load and save documents in a variety of widely used > formats (even formats that don't have direct apps on that platform). > I would love to see a DTP program that could at least read Frame, > Pagemaker, Quark, WordPerfect (any version) and MS Word 4.x and 5.x > documents completely (save Quicktime insertions) and reliably. > -- > J.B. Nicholson-Owens And, by the way, whoever decides to write this puppy should remember that software that does ALL of these things won't be worth more than $99 ($49 educational pricing, of course) so don't _even_ think about trying to sell an app that does all of these things for an outrageously high price like, say, $199. A $495 price tag is absolutely out of the question. It better be perfect the first time, and run like a bat out of hell on an 030 cube with 8 MB of RAM, too. For $99, it must also feature 24 hour/day 800 line unlimited support, come complete with a tons of manuals, instructional video tapes, and format templates for every conceivable purpose. Oh yeah, potential developer, please remember that if you're going to charge a whopping $99 for this trivial app, you must be prepared to provide lifetime upgrades for free, including adding support for all future file formats for any app whether it runs under NS or not. Otherwise, I'm sorry to say, it just won't be worth $99 to me. Mr. Developer, if you're thinking about complaining about the impossibility of providing Quark import capabilities for your $99 app, forget it. If I'm going to have to sacrifice THIS amount of money, you damn well better have full Quark capabilites built in to version 1.0. Just remember this: if you try to raise your price too high, I won't buy it because I could write something better for less or just use some of the terriffic free software from the archives. Lots of luck writing this replacement for Frame. John Bartley
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Date: 8 Aug 1993 21:10:50 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <243q4rINN3la@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> <240qbe$1ii@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <240qbe$1ii@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >I've put mine in the lower right corner, where I've grown ^^^^^ Might you mean the other right corner (i.e., left ?-) >very accustomed to whizzing stuff into it with barely a >thought to the location or the distance. A fast flip gets >the stuff right down there. The lower left corner works well because it frees up another Dock slot. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Date: 8 Aug 1993 22:00:11 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <243t1bINN4ca@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <14258@news.next.com> In article <14258@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >[Binaries posted in group: comp.sys.next.misc] This sort of garbage must be in violation of some sort of USENET or Internet guidelines. The return address must be fake but it looks like it may have originated in Switzerland (but that, too, make be bogus, I guess). Is there any way to nail the poster? I don't appreciate either the idea of abusing a vendor's demo app posting because it could result in the excellent demo app distribution practice ceasing. I also don't appreciate the unwarranted use of worldwide bandwidth for this sort of stuff and the cost of downloading such large postings for those who must pay for news feed connect time. But I'm sure the poster could care less about my opinions, or about what anyone else thinks or feels for that matter. Hopefully as has been suggested, these sorts of irresponsible jerks don't necessarily come with the PC territory... -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Date: 8 Aug 1993 22:01:52 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <243t4g$8a1@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> <240qbe$1ii@news.doit.wisc.edu> <243q4rINN3la@darkstar.ucsc.edu> In article <243q4rINN3la@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, Art Isbell <isbell@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: >In article <240qbe$1ii@news.doit.wisc.edu> >anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >>I've put mine in the lower right corner, where I've grown > ^^^^^ > Might you mean the other right corner (i.e., left ?-) Yes, how silly of me, sitting here thinking how *right* it was (for me) to have put it in the lower left corner, where I'd grown ... >>very accustomed to whizzing stuff into it with barely a >>thought to the location or the distance. A fast flip gets >>the stuff right down there. >The lower left corner works well because it frees up >another Dock slot. That too, certainly. :-) -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <> <> UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------> Cheap things are of no value, valuable things are not cheap. <-------]
From: glenn@iridium.digex.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Touch.app Date: 8 Aug 1993 22:09:05 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <243ti1$fo3@news1.digex.net> References: <241mqe$8tp@moonshot.west.oic.com> In article <241mqe$8tp@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > In article <23kup5$mr@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) > writes: > :Matthew Dillon writes > :> My idea of intelligent ftp'ing is the ability to map ftp sites onto the > :> filesystem, with directory and possibly even file caching. > :> > :> You guys don't think big enough! > :> > :> -Matt > : > : > : Actually, what you are talking about is Touch.app, something that was > :written at NeXT, and (I think) sold off to a company that has just sat on > it... > : > : Basically, the ftp directory mounted under /Net, and it worked... slow, > :but pretty neat. > : > : I think it is/was on the Educational CD NeXT released last fall. > > Thanks! I'll look for it... > > -Matt > > :-- > :- Scott Anguish - > :sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) > :next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) > : If Touch.app (Which I have used before and thought was very cool!) on the edu cd? If it is, is there someone out there who can send me a copy? Please email me first so that I can just get one copy on my space disabled NeXTstation. :-) Thanks, Glenn ps - Does it work under 3.0 and/or 3.1? Has anyone out there had any success with this alex program that people have been talking about? -- Glenn D. Rempe (NeXTMAIL) glenn@iridium.digex.net
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Date: 9 Aug 1993 02:05:53 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <244be1$lgl@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <243t1bINN4ca@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > Someone masquerading as CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > [Binaries posted in group: comp.sys.next.misc] > > This sort of garbage must be in violation of some sort of USENET > or Internet guidelines. The return address must be fake but it > looks like it may have originated in Switzerland (but that, too, > make be bogus, I guess). Is there any way to nail the poster? Hopefully there is, as articles such as these binaries are pretty obnoxious. I wouldn't know how to track down postings like these, but if there's someone who does then it would be awfully nice to find the jerk and rap their knuckles (like, with a hammer perhaps). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Mr_b Subject: What Gateway 2000 config. should I get? Message-ID: <93220.67818.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Sender: news@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com Organization: LMSC Date: Sun, 08 Aug 93 18:50:17 PDT I would greatly appreciate a posting by anyone who has recently purchasing a GATEWAY 2000 and successfully installing NEXTSTEP. Could you list what configuration you purchased and what worked and did not work for running NEXTSTEP. I've been impressed by the features and price of the GATEWAY 2000 computers, but I was not 100% convinced by their tech support that they are certain what will work with NEXTSTEP. And I also don't want to base my purchase on the configuration guide put out by NEXTSTEP. I couldn't use that guide even if I wanted to, since it doesn't even include any information about CD-ROM players. No, I would really prefer some first-hand experience about this. ---- MR_B@LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Brian Mahoney
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: curt@kcwc.com Subject: Re: ZyXEL upgrade? Message-ID: <1993Aug9.025942.3362@kcwc.com> Organization: KCW Consulting, Oakton VA References: <23ij79$109@localhost.dk> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 02:59:42 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc, work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) writes: >Did anyone of you upgrade, and if so, how did you go about it, I called them at 714-693-0808. They gave me an RMA number and I shipped my modem to them. Got it back in a few days. Curt
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1309@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 9 Aug 93 03:23:51 GMT References: <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes > I would love to see a DTP program that could at least read Frame, > Pagemaker, Quark, WordPerfect (any version) and MS Word 4.x and 5.x > documents completely (save Quicktime insertions) and reliably. Me too. There is no such product on any platform. File formats are still the bane of the entire software industry. Many products can't even read their own files with 100% reliability across platforms. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: Dead Microsoft Mouse with Gateway: help requested In-Reply-To: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov's message of Sun, 8 Aug 1993 14:29:01 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug8235441@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 04:54:41 GMT In article <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: > the many helpful posts about the idiosyncracies of this system, in > particular the one by Paul Sears, the installation went pretty > straightforwardly. The only problem is that at the end of it all the mouse > is completely dead --- odd since it works just fine in the intermediate > steps needed to get the OS installed. I suffer the same fate. Sorry this is not an aid, but merely commiseration in the sense that you are not alone, and that this may be a widespread problem. Any keyboard method to move between buttons on the logout panel, so that I am not forced to perform a hard reboot, thereby leaving files open? Would rather logout in the 'power off the system' mode. TIA. -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 05:31:33 GMT Message-ID: <jeffo.744874293@uiuc.edu> References: <jeffo.744790516@uiuc.edu> <1309@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Glenn Reid writes: >Me too. There is no such product on any platform. Then perhaps some really smart NS developer can have a groundbreaking first. >Many products can't even read their own files with 100% reliability >across platforms. True, not 100%, however I've had a pretty good run (I'd estimate 90%) with Frame/Mac reading MS-Word files as well as it's own files. For me, most of the problems had to do with faulty media more than some sort of bug in the program causing it to not read it's own output. It's super-handy to not have to let go of the tons of data I've got in Frame and MS-Word format. I'd like it if Frame/NS read MS-Word files too, but no such luck. From what I've seen, only the Mac port can do that. I think being able to keep your data is a pretty important feature and I wonder if a lot of people that aren't switching to NS apps for their work (even though the competing NS app has a lot more going for it in terms of features and environmental benefits) feel similarly (hence a reason for not switching to NS apps). -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Message-ID: <1993Aug8.235958.23413@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Aug8.070621.23250@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 23:59:58 GMT In article <1993Aug8.070621.23250@leland.Stanford.EDU> peer@ccrma.stanford.edu (Peer Landa) writes: > > John Bartley writes: > Out of curiosity, where do most NS users position their recycler in > dock? > > What are you using the recycler for? I don't see why anyone want to > first move their hand from their keyboard to grab a clumsy devise > which is used to "drag" a file into a recycler which you later on > have to empty, when all this can be done by Command-r, or even > better: rm in UNIX . . by the way, I have my recycler on the left > side for long now, and I'm trying to look at it rather as an > environmental reminder then as a function for temporary preservation > and deletions of files. > I've to add that I sincerely welcome Mr.Bartley post -- finally > something of importance on this newsgroup. > > -- peer Someday, you are going to be just finished with a Cmd-r, happily watching your files disappear, when you realize you just blew away 3 hours of work, and you don't have a backup. You will at that point realize that the recycler is a useful thing, especially if you bind File->Empty Recycler to Cmd-k (in analogy with Mail.app), so you can empty the recycler before you log out..... (Cmd-k, Cmd-q <return> is pretty much automatic at this point....) John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Message-ID: <1993Aug9.055637.1740@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <243t1bINN4ca@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <244be1$lgl@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 05:56:37 GMT Just another example of the evil gzip provokes. Sigh.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: What Gateway 2000 config. should I get? Message-ID: <CBH6vq.K2A@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <93220.67818.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 04:52:38 GMT Mr_b writes [] []I would greatly appreciate a posting by anyone who has recently []purchasing a GATEWAY 2000 and successfully installing NEXTSTEP. Could []you list what configuration you purchased and what worked and did not []work for running NEXTSTEP. [] []I've been impressed by the features and price of the GATEWAY 2000 []computers, but I was not 100% convinced by their tech support that they []are certain what will work with NEXTSTEP. And I also don't want to base []my purchase on the configuration guide put out by NEXTSTEP. I couldn't []use that guide even if I wanted to, since it doesn't even include any []information about CD-ROM players. [] []No, I would really prefer some first-hand experience about this. We (hah! *I*) just finised getting NS installed on our Gateway. I forget the exact numbers that Gateway assigns, but it's a clock doubled 25MHz version, 340 Mb IDE drive, Adaptec (sp?) 1540 SCSI card (which we will be using just for running the CD-ROM during installation, and maybe for something more down the line), with 32 Mb of RAM and the 15" CrystalScan monitor. The installation was an absolute snap once some kind net souls had explained to me how to get the supplied Microsoft mouse to work. The basics are quite simple: put in the Adaptec card, hook up a good CD-ROM (we started with a fairly nice but inexpensive NEC on and that was useless, then we switched to a Toshiba and had no problems) which has had its SCSI ID set to 0. Boot off of the supplied NeXT floppy and follow the instructions (when you are asked to name a boot device, answer sd0). At one point you will be told "eject the floppy disc and hit return", do so, and at that point UNPLUG THE KEYBOARD (for reasons already well documented in these groups). The installation will run along just fine, and you will eventually be asked to specify what device drivers to load at boot time. You need only the mouse for this part, and the mouse will work! But if you do not do the following then when you boot up the mouse will not work. So, at this stage, click on the "mouse panel", click on "Add", add Serial Mouse, remove PS2Mouse, go back to the "Summary" (NeXT Logo) panel, hit save, and then finish the installation. All should work fine. Although I did this with just our one machine, I received the same instructions from several other people with different Gateway set-ups, so I think these are the "generic Gateway instructions." Will be getting a DX66V soon, so I guess I'll know more then . . . . . By the way, the only recommendations I can make at this early juncture about configurations are: (1) spend the money and get a decent amount of RAM. I learned that lesson on my black hardware, and I have no doubt it will be the case on white. (2) Consider getting a larger monitor if you're used to the 17" NeXTstation/Cube one. I'm so used to my roomy monochrome workspace that the white screen, while in beautiful color, seems very cramped to me --- will definitely be looking into Virtspace or some such, since my current work habits are simply inappropriate for this screen size. It may be that someone who has never had a 17" monitor will not notice the difference, but if you've had it, giving it up is very hard. Hope this is somewhat helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Dead Microsoft Mouse with Gateway: help requested Message-ID: <CBH7FM.K7H@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <DEAN.93Aug8235441@world.std.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 05:04:33 GMT Dean S Banfield writes []In article <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: <<MY PROBLEMS TRIMMED>> [] []I suffer the same fate. Sorry this is not an aid, but merely commiseration []in the sense that you are not alone, and that this may be a widespread problem. []Any keyboard method to move between buttons on the logout panel, so that I []am not forced to perform a hard reboot, thereby leaving files open? Would []rather logout in the 'power off the system' mode. TIA. Thanks to all of the people who helped me get the mouse working, so far that means Michael Rutchik, Mitch Gass, and Rick Jacoby (of TotSysSoft fame :) Dean: See my post with how to do the installation in the thread "What Gateway 2000 config. should I get" in this same newsgroup. If you are willing to re-install the whole system then that information should work for you, but I **think** you can just do an incremental fix by using the information Rick Jacoby sent me (sadly, I didn't get his note until after I had re-installed from scratch, but that might be better since now I know one *definite* right way to do things from start to finish). Anyway, Rick says: +++++++++++++++++++++++++ The way around it is to reboot and at the boot: prompt type config=Default it will come up in a real basic mode and the mouse will work. Run the Config.app and remove the PS2mouse and add the serial mouse. After a reboot it should be fine... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks again Rick! Add Serial Mouse and remove PS as per my other post. Now, to avoid having to hard power cycle the machine for a reboot, get logged in to whatever account, use the arrow keys to navigate Workspace Manager to get the Terminal.app application in NeXTApps highlighted (perhaps you did not know that the arrow keys could move you around this way?) and if you hit return Terminal will launch. In a shell give yourself a password, then alt-q to quit, alt-q and return to log out, log in as root, bring up Terminal.app again and type "reboot" at the prompt. voila! I was also told by Mitchh Gass that alt-NumLock will bring up the NMI monitor, but have not yet had a chance to check this since I'm at home on my black hardware now. Boy, can't wait for the HP and Alpha versions to ship! .hardware will have more posts than .advocacy by then. . . . Hope this is helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Touch.app Message-ID: <CBH7JE.K90@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <243ti1$fo3@news1.digex.net> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 05:06:50 GMT glenn@iridium.digex.net writes []In article <241mqe$8tp@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com [](Matthew Dillon) writes: []> In article <23kup5$mr@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott []Anguish) []> writes: <<Discussion of FTP software trimmed>> [] []If Touch.app (Which I have used before and thought was very cool!) on the edu []cd? If it is, is there someone out there who can send me a copy? Please email []me first so that I can just get one copy on my space disabled NeXTstation. :-) [] []Thanks, [] []Glenn [] []ps - Does it work under 3.0 and/or 3.1? Has anyone out there had any success []with this alex program that people have been talking about? [] I have a copy of Touch which was given to our NUG back when I was in Canada. Indeed a fun app, although I'm not sure that the latest version of Gator FTP isn't better. . . . Anyway, I still use it occasionally, and it works just as well as ever (i.e. it's beautiful but slow. . . Oh, the jokes I could make from that) under 3.0. Have not tried it under 3.1 yet. Hope this helps --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro Message-ID: <CBGyAG.1yE@ensuing.com> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. References: <CBGxyD.1u8@ensuing.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 01:47:03 GMT Warning, mildly offensive language follows: In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com forges the following: > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > No this software was created and presented by Software Ventures Corporation. They created and presented it, you just raped it. > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > anymore !! > > Enjoy it ! > To be quite honest, this post makes me very very ill. The way a person feels when he comes back from a long trip to find a close relative dead, or his house burned to the ground. > > - The CRACKSTEP crew To the anonymous asshole (but not anonymous for long), Are you out of your fucking mind? Do you really want to be personally responsible for ensuring that NeXTSTEP software development is killed completely? Do you really despise the thought of people trying to create software for NeXTSTEP? I can't even understand the reason this was done. SVC sells microphone dirt cheap. It's only 99 bucks, which is cheaper that some utility applications for NeXTSTEP. They have taken a gamble and ported a well known highly important product to NeXTSTEP, and then to NeXTSTEP/Intel. They have gone further than many other Mac/IBM houses to make sure that you the NeXTSTEP user had a stable product. This hurts me on a more personal level also. I went to dev camp with Michael Rutman, the primary author of MicroPhone Pro. He's done a lot for me to help get my NeXTSTEP product out the door. I would gladly give the shirt off my back for him. He's your average programmer, with a wife, a kid, a car, a house, etc. He has to pay for those things, and he does it by spending his time writing software instead of spending his time with his family. He does it to support, cloth, house, and feed his family. He works in a company full of people with similar circumstances. They are trading their time for your your dollars. I implore everyone reading this message to consider the following: NeXT software development is not being done by mindless, faceless corporations. A lot of NeXTSTEP developers have gone into debt to bring cool and new software to our loved black and tolerated white hardware. No one is getting rich from NeXTSTEP development. It's all being done on speculation. If companies like SVC decide to quit updating, supporting or even worse quit selling their NeXTSTEP products, it will not be they that suffer. They have Microphone on other platforms that sell a lot more copies than the NeXTSTEP version. They would lose NOTHING by just giving up on NeXTSTEP. If you pirate Microphone Pro, or use the hacked version, you aren't going to hurt SVC in the slightest. The injured party will be yourself. Because if SVC walks away from NeXTSTEP, there won't be anything to fill the void. Do you really want to use kermit for the rest of your NeXTSTEP life? If you want to use Mircophone Pro, or all already using a friends copy, or a pirated copy, it is in YOUR best interest to cough up the 99 bucks for a legitimate copy. If you don't then it will have a dominoe effect as more and more developers become discouraged from writing software for NeXTSTEP. Isn't it worth $99 to ensure that Microphone continues to be updated, and that new and interesting products are developed for NeXTSTEP? To order a copy of MicroPhone Pro: NeXTConnection (800-800-NeXT) or (603-446-7771) Software Ventures (510-644-3232) P.S. I don't mean to accuse anyone of pirating MicroPhone Pro. In my heart, I believe that people are decent and honest. Some would say that makes me a sucker. I think I just don't want to believe that most people are like CRACKSTEP. -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail) -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <9095@news.next.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 05:45:07 GMT In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > anymore !! > > Enjoy it ! Very nice. Some people at NeXT (nice Net presence, by the way %^( ) feel that sending EVERYONE who subscribes to this group (shouldn't "announcement" be used for this kind of stuff, or would it not have been allowed by the moderator? ) 14 posts of ~60k each (~0.9meg). What's the idea? What their problem? Couldn't they asked who wanted it first?!? My modem is going to work one hour on this, which is not going to cost me too much, except maybe to exceed my daily limit, but to some folks this is $$$! It is now 1:40, and I won't be able any more news before going to bed, cause that stuff is all that's coming over... I'm pissed. Ciao, and good night. > - The CRACKSTEP crew > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsdecasp@iiic.ethz.ch (Daniel Stefan Decasper) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Message-ID: <1993Aug9.081035.9660@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <14258@news.next.com> <243t1bINN4ca@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 08:10:35 GMT In article <243t1bINN4ca@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > >In article <14258@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>[Binaries posted in group: comp.sys.next.misc] > >This sort of garbage must be in violation of some sort of USENET or Internet >guidelines. The return address must be fake but it looks like it may have >originated in Switzerland (but that, too, make be bogus, I guess). Is there >any way to nail the poster? > I don't know. All I can do as swiss NeXT user is to apologize for the motherfuckers who did this and think that it's funny. If you want to kill NeXT, go on with stuff like that: there are already too few 3rd party software developer for NEXTSTEP but if we go on posting there cracked programms to the net then there will be soon nothing left to crack ! (esp MicroPro which you could/can get for $99...). So, again to the "Arschloecher" (if they're really swiss, the now what that means....) who did this: DON'T DO IT AGAIN ! Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Dan S. Decasper email: dan@fanatic.open.ch - REAL (=NeXT) mail ok = = Uetlibergstr.16 voice & fax: 41-1-4930361 = = CH-8142 Uitikon (S|N) e X [T], surf and dance music = = Switzerland Cause life's too short to use a DOS machine... = ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: EISA/VLB successful install of NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug9.091206.12501@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 09:12:06 GMT CONFIGURATION motherboard: It's a board manufacterd by Elite in Taiwan, part nr. SL486VE It has 6 EISA Master Slots, and 2 EISA Slave slots, combined with a VESA master and a VESA slave slot. It's based on a chipset by SIS (85C406/411/431/420/405 (2x)) It has 8 8-bit SIMM slots, a AMI EISA 486DX bios, 256 Kb cache (20 ns). It also features a ZIF-chipsocket for the 486, with P24T (Pentium based Overdrive) upgradability. video: ATI Ultra Pro VLB 2MB controller: DPT 2012B EISA Fast SCSI-2 cd-rom: Toshiba 3401 INSTALLATION controller: Read NeXTanswers and set it up correctly. Otherwise it won't find the CD-rom player. I still have the Fast SCSI-2 setting although some people have reported that they had to lower the transfer rate to 5MB. floppy: I had to remove the installation floppy the moment the NeXT top screen line appeared. Otherwise the installation would hang on floppy RESETTING/RECALIBRATING/... keyboard: I still get the unexpected ACK from keyboard. I'm getting used to it. Just ignore it. cd-rom: The BANG cd contains lots of missing files. It's the only cd i'm having trouble with. NOTES Setting up NEXTSTEP was easy. Ok, I haven't played with serial lines or network cards yet. I somehow missed TeX and had to install it by hand afterwards. But, I've crashed it every day it was up. Maybe the first crashes were due to the fact that I had a wrong SCSI cable setup (stupid me), but I've had other crashes as well. And each crash always affected the whole system. I'm not used to that under (sun) unix. And not once was I able to shut the system down with keyboard commands. Waiting for fsck to correct my harddisk is not for the weak at heart. Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fossa.rmnug.org!root (Operator) Subject: Re: Gateway internal modem Message-ID: <1993Aug9.051050.3324@fossa.rmnug.org> Keywords: na Sender: root@fossa.rmnug.org (Operator) Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <1993Aug8.082633.15471@ToTSySSoft.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 05:10:50 GMT In article <1993Aug8.082633.15471@ToTSySSoft.com> rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) writes: > In article <austinCBEyr7.2oM@netcom.com> austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) > writes: > > > > Has anyone got the Gateway 2000 "TelePath" internal modem working? > > > > I read a news articule that send to configure it as COM3 with IRQ-5, I > > did this but then couldn't figure out how to select it from then > > FaxModem configuration panel. It only gives you a choice of A or B. > > > > Next I tried using the rom setup to disable COM2 (COMB) and set the > > modem to COM2 IRQ-3 (?)(it was 3 or 4 but opposite from the mouse). > > I then set it in FaxModem setup to 'B', but when I tryed to use it > > the system hung. > > > > So, if you have gotten this working please let me know what you did. > > > > Thanks > > Greg Lindholm > > > > P.S. I'll get my own account as so as I get my modem working. > > > ================================================================ > Don't even bother until they fix the Drivers. All it did was cause the machine > to crash evry few minutes... > > Rick > This is distressing news for someone about to purchase a notebook computer with 3.1 preinstalled for his boss. Are we saying here that NSFIP 3.1 WON'T DRIVE an internal modem? I prefer stories of experience but will entertain all speculations. Doug Goodwin dgoodwin@fossa.rmnug.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Edit Message-ID: <1993Aug9.061411.2738@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 06:14:11 GMT Does anyone know if there is a way to start Edit with a spesified line selected, from the shell. I mean somthing like this localhost> Edit -l80 Of courst that doesn't work. Rick
From: bosborne@nature.BErkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SimonSays question Date: 7 Aug 1993 19:25:08 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9308072325.AA03259@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> To the Group, My apologies for my inattentiveness, but what company owns SimonSays now? I've just upgraded to 3.1, and Simon is now deaf! Thank you for your attention to this matter, ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: Gateway internal modem Message-ID: <austinCBEyr7.2oM@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 00:01:55 GMT Has anyone got the Gateway 2000 "TelePath" internal modem working? I read a news articule that send to configure it as COM3 with IRQ-5, I did this but then couldn't figure out how to select it from then FaxModem configuration panel. It only gives you a choice of A or B. Next I tried using the rom setup to disable COM2 (COMB) and set the modem to COM2 IRQ-3 (?)(it was 3 or 4 but opposite from the mouse). I then set it in FaxModem setup to 'B', but when I tryed to use it the system hung. So, if you have gotten this working please let me know what you did. Thanks Greg Lindholm P.S. I'll get my own account as so as I get my modem working.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Date: 9 Aug 1993 13:54:48 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <245kv8INNcm0@clem.handheld.com> References: <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> In article <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > > anymore !! > > > > Enjoy it ! > > Very nice. Some people at NeXT (nice Net presence, by the way %^( ) feel that > sending EVERYONE who subscribes to this group (shouldn't "announcement" be used > for this kind of stuff, or would it not have been allowed by the moderator? ) > 14 posts of ~60k each (~0.9meg). This is a forged posting, DO NOT BLAME NEXT! Read the path field: (at my site) clem!uvaarpa!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!math.fu-berlin.de!xlin k.net!fauern!imp.ch!wonderland.anywhere Note the begining is FAR from California, out in .ch land. > What's the idea? What their problem? Couldn't > they asked who wanted it first?!? My modem is going to work one hour on this, > which is not going to cost me too much, except maybe to exceed my daily limit, > but to some folks this is $$$! > > It is now 1:40, and I won't be able any more news before going to bed, cause > that stuff is all that's coming over... I'm pissed. > > Ciao, and good night. > > > - The CRACKSTEP crew > > > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who < Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Message-ID: <1993Aug9.121759.568@ccsi.com> Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Aug9.081035.9660@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 12:17:59 GMT > >In article <14258@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE [Binaries posted in group: comp.sys.next.misc] > > As I recall, Microphone was a program that required that it be run root to be installed. (For getting the permissions on the serial ports set properly..?) If anyone was stupid enough to actually copy the program from comp.sys.next.misc maybe they'll be stupid enough to allow their machine to be subject to this potential Trojan Horse. -- Sean L. Hill Ergo Science Incorporated shill@ccsi.com Compuserve: 73667,3355
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virus software? Message-ID: <70205@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 9 Aug 93 13:48:14 GMT References: <1993Aug7.010107.14044@csus.edu> <23vaf0$lj4@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > NEXTSTEP (and pretty much all UNIX-based systems) are IMMUNE > from computer viruses because they have hardware, memory, and > file protection features that "toy "operating systems" > (e.g. DOS, Windoze, MacOS) lack. and the Internet worm was just a collective fantasy? ;^) though properly administered, I agree that most UNIX systems are much more robust and secure than what you call toy operating systems, though with DOS I believe the accepted term is "program loader" -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Setting up UUCP Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Aug 1993 14:54:51 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <245ofr$82k@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Trying to setup UUCP on a NeXT system and having a lot of problems (ie, not picking up the phone). Here's what it is: NeXT 040-25 slab, 24/400 ZyXel 14400 Modem (v.32bis, v.42bis, FAX, etc) NxFAX software Dedicated phone line We can get tip to dial and connect just fine, but the UUCP script from the NxFAX software manual (specific to this modem) won't even pick up the phone. If you use this modem or any modem with the NxFAX software with UUCP, please email to pauls@umich.edu and let me know the details. This request is on behalf of a NeXT user trying to get connected, and I will be forwarding all responses. Thanks! Paul Southworth User Services University of Michigan pauls@umich.edu C A C A C A A A A A A A A A A will be forwarding
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Edit Message-ID: <CBI0GD.Avq@news2.cis.umn.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Aug9.061411.2738@ToTSySSoft.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 15:24:21 GMT openfile thefile:line an example: openfile /etc/rc:47 peter Richard Jacoby (rick@TotSysSoft.com) wrote: : Does anyone know if there is a way to start Edit with a spesified line : selected, from the shell. : I mean somthing like this : localhost> Edit -l80 : Of courst that doesn't work. : Rick -- Carpe Diem? peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
From: kdp9565@tamsun.tamu.edu (Keith Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WARNING: BEWARE CRACKED Microphone Pro!!!! Date: 9 Aug 1993 11:09:26 -0500 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Message-ID: <245srm$15j@tamsun.tamu.edu> Just to summarize what others have been saying - 1. Don't touch a cracked product. Somebody who is smart enough to crack a commercial product is certainly capable of turning the product into a Trojan Horse which could eat your system. 2. NEVER INSTALL ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE NOT SURE OF!! This is the primary rule of being on a UNIX system. The system administrator will not shed many tears when you tell him you ran a program that erased your files. 3. IF YOU ARE A SYSTEM OPERATOR (ie root), TRIPLE CHECK EVERYTHING BEFORE INSTALLING. Just because NeXTs are easy to use, in this fashion they can be too easy. Loging in as root and launching the Installer.app, which does all the work of installing, can often hide problems that the system cannot see, such as the fact that the program seems to be missing files or the files aren't named quite right. BE CAREFUL IF YOU ARE ROOT - IT CAN SAVE YOU DAYS OF FRUSTRATION. 4. People who "crack" legitimate programs obviously cannot stand the fact that some people can actually program better than they can. If they can spend the time to crack a piece of software, they certainly have the time to program a new piece of software. They must be weak brained, I guess. 5. Cracked software is a boon to nobody. It hurts the original producer by taking away legitimate sales (aren't there few enough NeXT related sales already), it hurts the consumer in several way, and it hurts the market in general. The consumer is hurt not only in that they are using a cracked product that is unreliable, but in that the developers become wary in a market where sales fall due to pirating, which in turn hurts the market. The market takes the final blow, as companies must either turn to legal suits to make a profit (YUCK!), or they get out of that market. Its that simple. Don't hurt yourself by trying and using cracked software. By doing so you not only help out the NeXT community, you help yourself. If you're really interested in destroying the investment you had in your computer, try doing it some other way like selling it to somebody else. You'll be out of the market and somebody who does care will now have a machine. --Keith kdp9565@zeus.tamu.edu keithp@cs.tamu.edu n245bq@tamuts.tamu.edu
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dead Microsoft Mouse with Gateway: EVERYBODY PLEASE READ THIS!!!! Date: 9 Aug 1993 17:16:03 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2460oj$o0m@menudo.uh.edu> References: <DEAN.93Aug8235441@world.std.com> I have recently read a few articles (such as the one at the end of this post) that discuss problems and fixes to the imfamous Gateway2000 "Dead Keyboard and Mouse under NEXTSTEP" bug. Well..... The problem has been fixed and my old "hacks" no longer apply (I posted the following "official fixes" to these same newsgroups a while back!!) So... If you are a Gateway2000 Owner or you are considering buying one, then please ignore the old hacks and use the following information to install NEXTSTEP!!!!!!! Gateway2000 4DX2-66V Fix (This probably applies to the 4DX2-50V also) This the "official" fix from Gateway2000 concerning the problem with installing and running NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors version 3.1. The cause of the problem was that the PS2Mouse driver and the PS2Keyboard driver would not work with the newer versions of the BIOS that Micronics started shipping with a revised system board. Mainly it concerned the new Gateway ROM BIOS PLUS Version 0.10 GJX30-05E (but it also works for the earlier GJX30 versions). For NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors Release 3.1 to install correctly, the new Gateways V-Series systems must have the PS2 style keyboard jumper ENABLED. This jumper is not documented in the Gateway2000 Manuals as the PS2 style keyboard jumper, instead it is listed as W7 - "Reserved". Gateway ships these systems with the jumper disabled, and usually recommends leaving the jumper disabled for use with system and keyboard drivers. However, you must change the W7 jumper to the "on" position (you will need to find a jumper to use or locate a spare one). The W7 jumper is located right next to the W40 jumper on the motherboard. See the diagram below (only included for RichText). Micronics (Motherboard OEM for Gateway) is currently running NEXTSTEP on a new Gateway with the W7 jumper changed. This setup has worked with both serial and bus mice. NeXT's Quality Assurance group is testing this fix now. [This has been tested and verified at the University of Houston with various GJX30-01 versions of the BIOS.] **** THE PS2Mouse DRIVER MUST BE LOADED FOR THIS TO WORK!!! If [and only if!!] you followed my earlier installation notes, you were told to remove the PS2Mouse driver from the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table which was in the line "Boot Drivers". A simple way to do this is to run the Configure.app located in /NextApps and click on "save". The configure.app will automatically add the PS2Mouse driver to the Instance0.table file. Powerdown, then add the jumper and reboot. No need to mess with the turbo switch or anything, it should come up in NEXTSTEP automatically. To quickly verify if your keyboard will work, check if the NUM-Lock LED is off. If it is not, then your keyboard WILL NOT work. The W7 jumper is located next to the first LocalBus slot near the right-back end of the system board. This diagram is for the Desktop configuration only. The jumper may be located in a different location if you have a tower case. In article <DEAN.93Aug8235441@world.std.com> dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) writes: #In article <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: # #> the many helpful posts about the idiosyncracies of this system, in #> particular the one by Paul Sears, the installation went pretty #> straightforwardly. The only problem is that at the end of it all the mouse #> is completely dead --- odd since it works just fine in the intermediate #> steps needed to get the OS installed. # #I suffer the same fate. Sorry this is not an aid, but merely commiseration #in the sense that you are not alone, and that this may be a widespread problem. #Any keyboard method to move between buttons on the logout panel, so that I #am not forced to perform a hard reboot, thereby leaving files open? Would #rather logout in the 'power off the system' mode. TIA. #-Dean # #-- #Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 #Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 #22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com #Darien, CT 06820 -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dead Microsoft Mouse with Gateway: help requested Date: 9 Aug 1993 17:41:19 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Message-ID: <24627v$4t9@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> <DEAN.93Aug8235441@world.std.com> In article <DEAN.93Aug8235441@world.std.com> dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) writes: >In article <CBG2wD.8vn@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: > >> the many helpful posts about the idiosyncracies of this system, in >> particular the one by Paul Sears, the installation went pretty >> straightforwardly. The only problem is that at the end of it all the mouse >> is completely dead --- odd since it works just fine in the intermediate >> steps needed to get the OS installed. > >I suffer the same fate. Sorry this is not an aid, but merely commiseration >in the sense that you are not alone, and that this may be a widespread problem. >Any keyboard method to move between buttons on the logout panel, so that I >am not forced to perform a hard reboot, thereby leaving files open? Would >rather logout in the 'power off the system' mode. TIA. >-Dean > On the login panel you can type "console". The window server will exit and give you a plain old tty like login prompt. Enter root (or me ?) and then you can use the shutdown or reboot utilities from csh. As far as dead mice, during the bootstrap at the b prompt you can enter "config=Default" (watch the capitalization) and you should get to state where you can run configure with an active mouse. Be sure to include a serial mouse regardless of what the system thinks it has. Be sure to work with the latest installation notes from nexanswers@ftp.next.com If you are still stuck, email or post your progress. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Date: 9 Aug 1993 13:13:24 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9308091649.AA09573@tech.mis.cfc.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) wrote: > In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > > anymore !! > > > > Enjoy it ! > > Very nice. Some people at NeXT (nice Net presence, by the way ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > %^( ) feel that sending EVERYONE who subscribes to this group > (shouldn't "announcement" be used for this kind of stuff, or > would it not have been allowed by the moderator? ) 14 posts of > ~60k each (~0.9meg). What's the idea? What their problem? Couldn't > they asked who wanted it first?!? My modem is going to work one > hour on this, which is not going to cost me too much, except > maybe to exceed my daily limit, but to some folks this is $$$! > > It is now 1:40, and I won't be able any more news before going > to bed, cause that stuff is all that's coming over... I'm pissed. > > Ciao, and good night. If you think that this post actually came from NeXT, you're just as cracked as this moron who posted it. NeXT isn't even anywhere in the Path. And all you're complaining about is the size? Doesn't the fact that this is an illegal protection-cracked copy of commercial software bother you in the least? Todd -- Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - Chrysler Financial, Centerline, MI "Life is a diamond we turn into dust..." - Rush
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: MircoPhone Pro Message-ID: <1993Aug9.181324.15718@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <14258@news.next.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:13:24 GMT Sad. These people must be on some personal vendetta to destroy NeXT. What else could explain their wanting to destroy the only viable distribution mechanism (demo app with key enable) for an extremely small software company? <Sigh> Without programs like MicroPhone Pro, NeXT has far less of a shot of making it. I don't know what these people though they were doing, but it's clear they didn't think things through. A computer system needs a wide range of software programs availiable before people will buy it - if just one needed utility backs out because of such a circus stunt, then the computer system will most likely go nowhere. Did they really think they were *helping* people by trying to turn NeXT into a zombie system? Lame. And the post wasn't even forged well... Stupid friggin idiots. Cracking programs is easy, a kids game, a childhood pasttime - writing them is hard. If these dweebs need to try and prove their manhood/womanhood (or hackerhood) then they should try to grow up and *write* something instead. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Virus software? Message-ID: <1993Aug9.182810.16396@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <70205@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:28:10 GMT Alex Blakemore writes > and the Internet worm was just a collective fantasy? ;^) Ah, but it was just that - a worm. Worms aren't viruses. A worm is a separate program that leaves obvious traces as it messes with files, etc. Worms are harder to write (in general they rely on operating system bugs) and are also more easily protected against (remove or replace the buggy OS utility, don't run things as setuid root). A virus, in the traditional sense, _can't_ work on a system with true memory protection. A virus, to work, needs to be able to patch the running code resources of an application from an infected application. With memory protection, such an attempt would simply crash the infected application. Not very effective. Toy operating systems lack such memory protection, and an infected application can infect every other application running on the system, including the system itself. A trojan horse is a worm built into a carrier application, and has the same limitations. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Good comments on the NeXT community Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1993 11:41:24 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-090893114125@17.220.88.2> A few things really impress me about NeXT users. The Usenet response to the cracked copy of Microphone is one of them. When people talk about the NeXT user 'community', I think that particular word applies very well. Everyone's (constructive) criticism about the $200 Newsgrazer is another example of a rational discussion over topics that affect us all. I guess it is this sense of solidarity that keeps us active, as opposed to simply throwing in the towel and watching the world decay into a Windows ghetto. Keep it up. -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1993Aug9.125049.9067@rbc.uucp> Sender: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Organization: Huh? References: <1309@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 12:50:49 GMT Glenn Reid writes > .................... File formats are > still the bane of the entire software industry. Many products can't > even read their own files with 100% reliability across platforms. They do that on purpose to lock you in. They don't want you to switch over to a competitor's product. Then they complain that sales are down. They don't realize that locked-in == locked-out. al.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) Subject: 3D packages for NS/I? Message-ID: <1993Aug9.184720.8469@infonode.ingr.com> Keywords: 3d modeling animation Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Distribution: comp Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:47:20 GMT I have heard that there are already 3D Modeling and Animation packages for NS/I that use the built-in Renderman. Is this true? What are there names? Which one is best in the sub-$5,000 category? Sub $10,000? Thanks. Bailey
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FAQ on Floppy Eject Date: 9 Aug 1993 19:12:07 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2467i7$hm8@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I recently upgraded to 3.0. Since then, I can insert floppy disks (both IBM format and Macintosh format) just fine. The system mounts them under the root directory. However, I cannot eject the disks. I drag the icon to the recycler and nothing happens. The eject option in the menu is greyed out. I Checked the FAQs and did an apropos on eject to no avail. Any help on how to eject would be appreciated. BTW, I've got a cube with an external DIT cubeFloppy 2.9. Regards, Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hardware help for NS/I PLEASE!! Date: 9 Aug 1993 19:59:06 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <246aaa$rv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I am planning on putting together a NeXTstep Intel system, and I am having a very difficult time deciding what is the best hardware to buy that will give the best performance for price. I have tried to buy a complete system from both Dell and Epson without success - both companies seem determined not to sell their computers! Thus, I would like to assemble my own system, and I have looked through the PC hardware compatibility guide. Here are my questions: Video card: what video card gives the best performance & resolution? Does the CPU speed improve performance? How much faster will video be using an EISA motherboard vs. localbus, if any? Does NeXT currently support (or plan to support) any of the following cards: Cirrus Logic Local Bus, Orchid Fahrenheit Local Bus, Diamond Viper Local Bus, Diamond Speedstar Pro, ATI Graphics Ultra Pro? Sound: Which sound card have people used and favor? Is there one that allows you to record voice just like on the NeXTstations? Is there a sound card with a Motorola 56001 DSP that works just like on the old hardware? CD-Rom: Does the CD-ROM have to be a SCSI device? If not, can you still boot from a CD-ROM connected through an IDE controller? Anybody have any experience with multi-session CD-ROMs? Any advantage to buying one of these for a NeXTstep system? SCSI Controller: Anybody with experience with the choices supported have any recommendations? Monitor: Can the original Fimi or Hitachi 17" and 21" NeXT color megapixel displays be used on an intel system? Does anybody have any information/experience with the cable to connect the video card to the above monitors? Bus: ISA vs EISA - does the EISA bus really make much difference with system performance? CPU: How much difference does the system CPU speed matter? Would people recommend spending ~$300 more for a 66 mhz DX2 over a 33 mhz DX? Anybody with experience with a pentium system? If you have any information on the above questions, please PLEASE respond. I will summarize the replies to the net if people are interested. Thanks in advance, Varun mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: darenp@sdf.lonestar.org (Daren Patel) Subject: Can NS/i use internal PC Modems? Message-ID: <CBDrDz.9A4@sdf.lonestar.org> Organization: sdf public access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 08:25:10 GMT I guess the subject line says it all... Can NEXTSTEP use internal PC modems that normally set themselves up on a COM port? Also, would it be better to have an internal modem with a 16550A UART or an external modem (I mean in terms of reliability, fewer errors etc.)? Daren Patel [^_^]
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing getting lighter... Date: 8 Aug 1993 01:17:23 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <241k73$12c@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Without warning, my laser printer is printing lighter and unevenly. Is this "the death of Rico" (do I need a new toner cartridge) or are there adjustments and or other tricks to prolong the inevitable. I shook (gently rocked) the toner cartridge and turned the adjustment knob to five (it was at 4.5) and got rid of the uneveness but the print is definitely lighter than it used to be. Any ideas? John romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Millennium Software Announces Newsgrazer Pro for NEXTSTEP Date: 7 Aug 1993 19:01:50 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <241mqe$8tp@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <23kup5$mr@digifix.digifix.com> In article <23kup5$mr@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: :Matthew Dillon writes :> My idea of intelligent ftp'ing is the ability to map ftp sites onto the :> filesystem, with directory and possibly even file caching. :> :> You guys don't think big enough! :> :> -Matt : : : Actually, what you are talking about is Touch.app, something that was :written at NeXT, and (I think) sold off to a company that has just sat on it... : : Basically, the ftp directory mounted under /Net, and it worked... slow, :but pretty neat. : : I think it is/was on the Educational CD NeXT released last fall. Thanks! I'll look for it... -Matt :-- :- Scott Anguish - :sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) :next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) :
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1993Aug9.163232.24428@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <1309@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 16:32:32 GMT J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes * * I would love to see a DTP program that could at least read Frame, * Pagemaker, Quark, WordPerfect (any version) and MS Word 4.x and 5.x * documents completely (save Quicktime insertions) and reliably. And, as John Bartley pointed out so well, it should sell for under ninety-nine dollars. Oh, and it absolutely must support the %%Baseline feature, otherwise it's a dead loss. ........ Henry
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can NS/i use internal PC Modems? Date: 9 Aug 1993 20:32:25 GMT Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Message-ID: <246c8p$536@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <CBDrDz.9A4@sdf.lonestar.org> And, can NS/Intel use internal Fax modems, now that the serial port driver has become available? /ivo welch In article <CBDrDz.9A4@sdf.lonestar.org> darenp@sdf.lonestar.org (Daren Patel) writes: > > I guess the subject line says it all... Can NEXTSTEP use internal PC >modems that normally set themselves up on a COM port? Also, would it be >better to have an internal modem with a 16550A UART or an external modem (I >mean in terms of reliability, fewer errors etc.)? > > Daren Patel [^_^] > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: dejesus@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus) Subject: lockd under NeXTstep 3.x? Message-ID: <CBIGsp.ILu@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil (NAWS news admin) Organization: Science Applications International Corp. Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 21:24:25 GMT The problem: I have a NeXT machine which exports a filesystem via NFS to several other systems. One of the NFS clients is running Solaris 2.x (AT&T SysV-based), and it wants to lock files on the NFS server via lockd. However, I cannot find any trace of lockd on the NeXT, so processes just hang. Is there any ported lockd sources around that can be used on the NeXT? I'm not really concerned as to how close to the SysV implementation they are... if I can't find one I may just write something to basically handle lockd requests by basically saying "yeah, right, whatever" back to the Sun and forgetting about it... so long as the Sun doesn't hang it'll work. Directions, pointers, suggestions, etc welcome. Please reply by email as I don't normally follow these groups... I'll summarize if there's any interest. Thanks in advance... -- Francisco X DeJesus ----- S A I C ----- dejesus@c3ot.saic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are mine. Typos and errors are yours * "Duck Season!" "Rabbit Season!" "...rabbit season." "It's Duck Season! SHOOT!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <1993Aug09.204040.28553@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated References: <23vv1d$6l6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1993 20:40:40 GMT In article <23vv1d$6l6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > Even when I speak clearly I have > to be very assertive to Simon or he won't listen up. A couple people have mentioned that Simon doesn't listen up too well sometimes. Try using something other than normal spoken word. Like teach it to react to "YEEE-HAAAA" or "Gort! Baradas! Niktu!". If it doesn't like your command of English, compromise with a new language for just the two of you. It also makes it less likely to inadvertantly trigger things thru normal conversation. Just think how cool it will be when a customer walks in and sees you mousing with one hand, typing with the other, all the time yelling "EEEP! OP! ORP! AH-AH!" -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com 212-513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\) -<-@
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Message-ID: <1993Aug09.204150.28612@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1993 20:41:50 GMT In article <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > Out of curiosity, where do most NS users position their recycler in the > dock? Nope. Control-dragged off to the lower left corner of the screen to free up a dock entry. -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com 212-513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\) -<-@
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 720K Mac disks under NSI Message-ID: <1993Aug9.110215.2439@yvax.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) Date: 9 Aug 93 11:02:15 -0700 Hardware Update 2.0 for the Macintosh allows a Macintosh with a SuperDrive (any since about 1988) to format a 720K floppy (instead of the normal 800k with variable sectors per track). Since IBM-style drives can read these (at the sector level, anyway) I tried to use one with NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. To my surprise (well, not really) it works! Time to update your docs, NeXT. (They state that only high density Macintosh disks are readable--which was true at the time.) -- John Peterson -- Networked Computer Support -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Apps loading & saving other formats (was: Re: Any competition for Frame?) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 21:50:13 GMT Message-ID: <jeffo.744933013@uiuc.edu> References: <1309@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Aug9.163232.24428@trilithon.com> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Al Davis writes: >They do that on purpose to lock you in. They don't want you to >switch over to a competitor's product. [..] They don't realize that >locked-in == locked-out. I totally agree. There are a few exceptions (like MS-Word/Mac that, since at least version 4.x, has allowed loading and saving popular word processor formats including RTF, WordPerfect and MacWrite) but since these folks are apparently not selling that many copies of their apps, perhaps being more accessible to a wider audience would be in order? Henry McGilton writes: [indirectly about a problem he apparently has with me on application pricing] Precisely where did I state anything with regards to price anywhere in this thread? Apparently neither you nor John Bartley can discuss your viewpoints with me on this topic in a calm and rational manner. I think that's a shame; the idea of supporting a number of formats could cause a boost for NS app sales and your viewpoints (expressed logically and without such unsubstantiated anger) might influence authors decisions. If you have problems with my views on the announced pricing of Millenium's newsreader, fine. If you have a problem with the ideas presented in *this* thread why not discuss them calmly and rationally instead of simply venting your anger to the net? If it's simply my posts that anger you so, I suggest adding my name to your kill file or filter list. -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sladen@marlin.nosc.mil Subject: keyboard autorepeat Message-ID: <CBIGuo.M6H@inrird.com> Keywords: keyboard autorepeat Sender: news@inrird.com Organization: INRI Research & Development Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 21:25:35 GMT Does anyone know is there is a default somewhere to set the rate at which applications receive keyboard events when the user holds down a key? Thanks a lot. Mark Sladen sladen@marlin.nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brian@wucs1.wustl.edu (Brian) Subject: Re: .au to .snd--the answer Message-ID: <1993Aug9.225456.7265@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO References: <1993Jul29.212614.27856@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 22:54:56 GMT In article <1993Jul29.212614.27856@newshost.lanl.gov> mlbm@lanl.gov (Mark Martinez) writes: > In article <CAwI2x.FAs@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) > writes: > > be compatible-- just rename *.au to *.snd for the NeXT. > > Is there a way to use dwrite to tell Workspace to play .au files using > Sound.app? > > thanks > mark Well, I didn't so it that way, so I don't know if that is possible (i suspect not, though). I did modify the SoundEditor example to open .au files when they are clicked (and I made a .au Icon). I will get the source together and post it on cs.orst.edu soon, as there have been several requests for such a beast. brian
From: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu (James C. Luby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital Webster Date: 9 Aug 1993 23:06:30 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: na Message-ID: <246l9m$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> Keywords: shell access to Webster possible? Does anyone know of a way to access the Digital Webster information from a terminal window. When I access my NeXT cube via modem while travelling and from home I would like to be able to enter a unix command that will give me a word definition as well as associated synonyms and antonyms. Thanks for any help in this regard! Jim Luby
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Where to find Tesseract Message-ID: <jhough.744937431@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:03:51 GMT Well, I've looked all over sonata.cc.perdue.edu and I dont see Tesseract there. Can someone please let me know which folder I should be looking in? Thanks in advance... (btw, I did try archie, but it timed out) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcr@dolphin.com (John C. Randolph) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro Message-ID: <1993Aug9.234634.787@houston.dolphin.com> Sender: jcr@houston.dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <9095@news.next.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:46:34 GMT In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > anymore !! > > Enjoy it ! > > > - The CRACKSTEP crew Tacky, Tacky, Tacky! Something tells me that this little stunt was pulled by the same kind of pinheads who write DOS viruses, because they don't have either the talent or the social skills to get a real job. Of course, with NEXTSTEP running on garden-variety hardware, and the overall number of users increasing, the odds were that we eventually had to have a few of the kids who used to crack ATARI games pop up in our midst. I think that the fairly high cost of black hardware insulated us from the riffraff for a while. One major hazard I see on the horizon is that MAB's will allow low-budget vandals to invade Any NEXTSTEP machine who's operator isn't paying attention. So. I guess it's time for software delivery by public-key cryptography. When the software is encoded by the author, for the user, and we can be sure where something has been, this kind of crap will become too difficult for the punks, and they'll have to go back to shoplifting to get their kicks. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John C. Randolph <jcr@dolphin.com> (408) 369-8433 "Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from a Rigged Demo!" Opinions are my own, but they are available for your use at very reasonable Royalties. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John C. Randolph <jcr@dolphin.com> (408) 369-8433 "Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from a Rigged Demo!" Opinions are my own, but they are available for your use at very reasonable Royalties.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug8.161221.17877@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <23ub6s$3i7@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <1306@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 16:12:21 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >David J. Fischer writes >> >> Out of curiosity, what does PasteUp do? I am looking for NS/FIP word >> processor/DTP app. I need support for: medium size documents (1 - 30 pages >in >> general), equations (preferably native editor as opposed to >EquationBuilder), >> tiff & eps import support, numbering of everything (figures, pages, >equations, >> etc). Does PasteUp do this or is it an over-glorified Edit? >PasteUp is a full-featured DTP page layout application. It has a very >sophisticated text engine, full support for imported graphics, full >rotation, scaling, and skewing of all objects (including text), >hyphenation, spell checking, drag-and-drop paragraph styles, full >color support, and lots more. >It does not have an equation editor. It also does not automatically >number anything except pages (although the page numbering is very flexible). >We didn't want to compete directly with FrameMaker at the time, so we >didn't implement some of the numbering and cross-referencing kinds of >things. Instead, we did a lot of things they didn't, like provide for >rotation, use of color, separations, and things like that. > [...] Glenn, what are the chances that you will start competing more directly with FrameMaker? I'll be ordering PasteUp, since you're right that $199 is a price that I can't possibly pass on. However, like the above poster, some elements of FrameMaker's feature set are highly desirable (auto-numbering, cross-references, tables, index, table of contents, etc.). I realize, however, that they may involve taking PasteUp in a direction you don't want to go. Just curious, mainly. I'm still trying to decide whether to risk ordering FrameMaker for my slab... -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/FIP works on the ALR Evolution V (Pentium!) Date: 10 Aug 1993 04:38:51 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2478or$mtp@umd5.umd.edu> Well, my ALR Evolution V (60 MHz Pentium!) just came in (ordered it in May!), and I installed my copy of NS/FIP on it *without* a hitch. My configuration: Adaptec 1542C SCSI card ATI GUP (VL) 660MB Fujitsu HD Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM 8 MB RAM (soon to be 40 MB :-) Mouse Systems mouse (using PS/2 port) NXBench reported the dhrystones to be ~88K/s (~56 VAX MIPs). Norton's SI gave an index of ~135. BTW, the computer came in a baby-AT case, instead of the full size case that ALR previously advertised (I much prefer the smaller case). The list price of this puppy (stripped -- no drive, 1 floppy, no video, 8 MB RAM) is $2450. Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurt@frsvnsvn.cts.com (Kurt Werle) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.040259.28243@frsvnsvn.cts.com> Organization: little to none References: <9308091649.AA09573@tech.mis.cfc.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:02:59 GMT In article <9308091649.AA09573@tech.mis.cfc.com> tms@cfc.com writes: ... > >If you think that this post actually came from NeXT, you're just as >cracked as this moron who posted it. NeXT isn't even anywhere in the >Path. And all you're complaining about is the size? Doesn't the >fact that this is an illegal protection-cracked copy of commercial >software bother you in the least? It bothers me... Does nobody take it upon themselves to become net.dieties and cancel this type of article? Yeah, I understand that that's 'random censorship', but hey... I think that in this case that would be valid. Especially if it were followed up with a note say what occurred. OK, so maybe I'm being a little 'holier than thou' by implying that somebody would grab that post... Morally outraged 8-O Kurt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.031621.12034@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 03:16:21 GMT In article <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > > anymore !! > > > > Enjoy it ! > > Very nice. Some people at NeXT (nice Net presence, by the way %^( ) feel ^^^^ > that sending EVERYONE who subscribes to this group (shouldn't "announcement" Hi. Sorry to follow-up to my own post, but after thinking about it some more, I find it MORE annoying than ever, and I understand that NeXT has nothing to do with this, since it is probably a bogus adress (Discovery of the century, I know 8^/...). As I said before, it was 40 past 1 in the morning, so all was not clear. So, to all who may have answered this mention of NeXT, if any, I am sorry. Ciao again, and good night. [crunch, crunch] > Ciao, and good night. > > > - The CRACKSTEP crew > > > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who < Yeah! Again. -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.044907.12652@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <9308091649.AA09573@tech.mis.cfc.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:49:07 GMT In article <9308091649.AA09573@tech.mis.cfc.com> t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd Swan) writes: > In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Aug9.054507.10745@imani.cam.org> > nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) wrote: > > In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > > > > > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > > > > > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > > > anymore !! > > > > > > > Enjoy it ! > > > > > Very nice. Some people at NeXT (nice Net presence, by the way > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > %^( ) feel that sending EVERYONE who subscribes to this group > > (shouldn't "announcement" be used for this kind of stuff, or > > would it not have been allowed by the moderator? ) 14 posts of > > ~60k each (~0.9meg). What's the idea? What their problem? Couldn't > > they asked who wanted it first?!? My modem is going to work one > > hour on this, which is not going to cost me too much, except > > maybe to exceed my daily limit, but to some folks this is $$$! > > > > It is now 1:40, and I won't be able any more news before going > > to bed, cause that stuff is all that's coming over... I'm pissed. > > > > Ciao, and good night. > > If you think that this post actually came from NeXT, you're just as > cracked as this moron who posted it. NeXT isn't even anywhere in the > Path. And all you're complaining about is the size? Doesn't the > fact that this is an illegal protection-cracked copy of commercial > software bother you in the least? Hey there Todd! Nice to meet you. By the way, I am not neither cracked nor a moron (in my opinion 8^)). I am new to the Net, and got those posts at 40 past 1 _AM_. In the morning. When I should have been sleeping. I guess it showed up in my choice of subject. I did not know what it was, nor did I care that much. All I knew was that I was getting crap I didn't want over my one, single line to the computing world... That was then. Today, I apologized for mistakenly involving NeXT in this by being taken into their little trick (although I could be called a fool for that, I don't believe moron is in order. Only people who know me could call me that. Shut up Rob 8^) ). I did this publicly in this newsgroup before getting any of the "feedback", out of my own enlightening. I afterwards did it privately to all who sent me mail on this. Again, I am sorry about that. Also, I do, now that I realize what it was, condemn it mostly for what it is, as well as for how big it was (This is still a problem to me. Please don't do similar stuff for legitimate purposes. It's really annoying for us 2400bps folks... No "second-class citizens" sh*t, please.). Piracy is wrong (There's something new! 8^)) This kind of sh*t is good for nobody. So, I hope my name is cleared on this point, and we can all get back to the real point: who are those folks, so we can whip them good! Ciao > Todd > -- > Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - Chrysler Financial, Centerline, MI > "Life is a diamond we turn into dust..." - Rush -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Re: Gateway internal modem Message-ID: <1993Aug9.181814.4832@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <1993Aug9.051050.3324@fossa.rmnug.org> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:18:14 GMT In article <1993Aug9.051050.3324@fossa.rmnug.org> fossa.rmnug.org!root (Operator) writes: > This is distressing news for someone about to purchase a notebook computer > with 3.1 preinstalled for his boss. Are we saying here that NSFIP 3.1 > WON'T DRIVE an internal modem? > > I prefer stories of experience but will entertain all speculations. > > Doug Goodwin > dgoodwin@fossa.rmnug.org It wont drive any modem properly. The serail port drivers are broken. NeXT says they are tring for a fix they will release to the public on about the 20th. We just have to wait and see. Rick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) Subject: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> Sender: news@fokus.gmd.de (News system) Organization: GMD-Fokus Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 07:18:54 GMT Hi, one of our NeXTdimension cubes is used as a black-and-white machine only. So my idea is, to put this board aside my own dimension board. Is this possible? Are there experiences out there? Any problems - in electrics, in software ? Thanks in advance for any hints, Robert. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Fischer @ GMD-Fokus -------- __o ------- _`\<,_ fischer@fokus.gmd.de ------- (*)/ (*) ## NeXT-Mail welcome ## ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: Is there anything wrong with 'talk'? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.081912.21261@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <18789@news.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 08:19:12 GMT In article <18789@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: > 'Evening folks! > > Suddenly, Dean decides to be cute and set up a 'talk' session with his > wife. But, when he goes to the command line he gets: > > legolas.dean-2> talk denise > You don't exist. Go away. > Before a bunch of posts flood the net saying to fix slog: (used to be this message indicated you were running Stuart and didn't install slog correctly), the same thing happens to me (unless I'm root) and I know I have Stuart/slog installed correctly ... and it used to work back in 3.0 And since it does the same bogus thing even with Terminal.app, I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and guess something's hosed with 3.1 ... Too late and too tired to hack up some code and see what's wrong with /etc/utmp. Anybody know what the scoop is with this? -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: etienne@imp.ch (Stefan Hauser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Date: 10 Aug 1993 08:43:26 GMT Organization: Another Chaotic Computer SYStem, Improware AG, Fuellinsdorf CH Message-ID: <247n3e$ivj@indigo.imp.ch> References: <9095@news.next.com> In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: [.....] sorry, that this has happend. i have tracked down, who has done this, and he already lost his accounts on our systems. further actions will be taken. etienne +-+ Stefan Hauser | Email : etienne@impch.imp.ch 4415 Lausen | etienne@impch.imp.com Switzerland | Sysadm & Postmaster @ ImproWare
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Re: Can NS/i use internal PC Modems? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.062525.7991@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <246c8p$536@news.mic.ucla.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 06:25:25 GMT In article <246c8p$536@news.mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > And, can NS/Intel use internal Fax modems, now that the serial port > driver has become available? > > /ivo welch > > > In article <CBDrDz.9A4@sdf.lonestar.org> darenp@sdf.lonestar.org (Daren Patel) writes: > > > > I guess the subject line says it all... Can NEXTSTEP use internal PC > >modems that normally set themselves up on a COM port? Also, would it be > >better to have an internal modem with a 16550A UART or an external modem (I > >mean in terms of reliability, fewer errors etc.)? > > > > Daren Patel [^_^] > > > > > Yes, the Internal modem on the gatway works. The serial Port driver keeps on crashing the machine when you try to use it for any lenght of time. As soon as the Drivers are fixed I see no problems. Any one hear when they will be done? Rick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jerremy@hpqmoitc.sqf.hp.com (Jerremy Holland) Subject: NS/FIP:Best video value? Sender: news@hpqmoea.sqf.hp.com (SQF News Admin) Message-ID: <CBJon9.8Gs@hpqmoea.sqf.hp.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:11:32 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) Subject: can I ftp NS/i hw compat guide? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.145722.19077@infonode.ingr.com> Keywords: NS/i compat Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 14:57:22 GMT Is there a place where I can ftp the NS/i hw compatibility guide? Thanks. Please don't send NextMail. I can't read it (yet). Bailey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: NS/FIP works on the ALR Evolution V (Pentium!) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.143125.20466@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <2478or$mtp@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 14:31:25 GMT In article <2478or$mtp@umd5.umd.edu> rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: | Well, my ALR Evolution V (60 MHz Pentium!) just came in (ordered it in | May!), and I installed my copy of NS/FIP on it *without* a hitch. Yay! I've been waiting to hear about these. | NXBench reported the dhrystones to be ~88K/s (~56 VAX MIPs). | Norton's SI gave an index of ~135. For comparison, what does NXBench report for a 25MHz slab? | The list price of this puppy (stripped -- no drive, 1 floppy, no video, | 8 MB RAM) is $2450. | How much did the final configuration cost? -- Jon Hendry It's a thousand classes, give or take a few, <jon@afs.com> I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare Writer
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Hardware help for NS/I PLEASE!! Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Aug10.142527.15443@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 14:25:27 GMT Distribution: inet Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <246aaa$rv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <246aaa$rv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) writes: |> |> I am planning on putting together a NeXTstep Intel system, and I am having |> a very difficult time deciding what is the best hardware to buy that will |> give the best performance for price. |> |> I have tried to buy a complete system from both Dell and Epson without |> success - both companies seem determined not to sell their computers! bummer, I remember the Epson machines from the NeXTWorld Expo. They were rather nice. |> Thus, I would like to assemble my own system, and I have looked through the |> PC hardware compatibility guide. Here are my questions: |> |> Video card: |> what video card gives the best performance & resolution? Does the CPU speed |> improve performance? How much faster will video be using an EISA motherboard |> vs. localbus, if any? Does NeXT currently support (or plan to support) any |> of the following cards: Cirrus Logic Local Bus, Orchid Fahrenheit Local Bus, |> Diamond Viper Local Bus, Diamond Speedstar Pro, ATI Graphics Ultra Pro? You WANT local bus. PERIOD. Simply put, NeXTSTEP, needs all of the bus bandwidth it can get when it comes to your video card. Local bus is the best option. As for a graphics adapter card, from your list above, I'd recommend the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, local bus card with 2 Megs of memory. Works well. |> |> Sound: |> Which sound card have people used and favor? Is there one that allows you |> to record voice just like on the NeXTstations? Is there a sound card with |> a Motorola 56001 DSP that works just like on the old hardware? I have the Pro Audio Spectrum card. Its a 16 bit card. Sounds like the NeXT black hardware. Word of warning there have been comments about hickups in the sound. Since you don't NEED a soundcard right off the bat, I'd suggest waiting on sound until 3.2 simply because I expect the choice of compatible sound cards to expand. |> |> CD-Rom: |> Does the CD-ROM have to be a SCSI device? yes |> If not, can you still boot from a |> CD-ROM connected through an IDE controller? no |> Anybody have any experience with |> multi-session CD-ROMs? Any advantage to buying one of these for a NeXTstep |> system? Go for a Multispin too. Much faster on speed. |> |> SCSI Controller: |> Anybody with experience with the choices supported have any recommendations? The adaptec 1542B has served me well. |> |> Monitor: |> Can the original Fimi or Hitachi 17" and 21" NeXT color megapixel displays |> be used on an intel system? Does anybody have any information/experience |> with the cable to connect the video card to the above monitors? anyone? |> |> Bus: |> ISA vs EISA - does the EISA bus really make much difference with system |> performance? |> Yes, EISA throughput is greater than ISA. Not by a long country mile but it is better. If you don't plan to buy any EISA cards, a local bus, ISA motherboard will suit you fine. |> CPU: |> How much difference does the system CPU speed matter? Would people recommend |> spending ~$300 more for a 66 mhz DX2 over a 33 mhz DX? Go for the 66. More is always better. In this case it just happens to be economical. (As comparied to a Pentium) |> Anybody with experience with a pentium system? |> |> |> If you have any information on the above questions, please PLEASE respond. |> I will summarize the replies to the net if people are interested. Thanks |> in advance, |> |> Varun |> mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |> -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric_t@larch.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric de_la_Tribouille) Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <CBJxzz.E7v@cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL References: <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:33:34 GMT In article <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) writes: > Hi, > > one of our NeXTdimension cubes is used as a black-and-white machine only. > So my idea is, to put this board aside my own dimension board. > > Is this possible? Are there experiences out there? Any problems - in > electrics, in software ? > > Thanks in advance for any hints, > > Robert. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Fischer @ GMD-Fokus -------- __o > ------- _`\<,_ > fischer@fokus.gmd.de ------- (*)/ (*) ## NeXT-Mail welcome ## > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Hi folks ! There is no problem to put two ND cards in a cube ! I've done that and it's great... but ohhhh man... don't forget to put at least 32Mo in each ND card... and to have a large swap file (64Mo <=swapfile<= 128Mo). But it works ! - Eric --- _____________________________________________________________________ | Eric de la Tribouille | Advanced Collaborative Systems Lab. eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu | Department of Computer Science | University of Illinois at | Urbana-Champaign (217) 333 4201 | 1304W. Springfield Avenue NeXT-Mail very welcome ! | Urbana, ILL 61801, USA ?;*/) TOMORROW's TOOLS TODAY ! _____________________________________________________________________ Opinions expressed are my own. "The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be." - Paul Valery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Message-ID: <1993Aug10.172547.2663@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Aug7.200607.9720@gleap.sccsi.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 17:25:47 GMT In article <1993Aug7.200607.9720@gleap.sccsi.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > [stuff deleted] I keep mine in the lower-left corener as well. I put Engage! in the free spot and load it up with the apps I use occasionally. Works very well! -- Adrian Smith --- University of Alberta Computing and Network Services Consultant & NeXT Campus Consultant adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) Subject: using MouseX... Message-ID: <1993Aug10.191406.12621@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 19:14:06 GMT Hi everyone, I just tried to install the free X11R5 server and related stuff "MouseX" (or whatever it's called...) and I'm having a few problems... First I tried to keep it on my bernoulli drive (to save some precious disk space) but I couldn't get it to work. NeXT, I just put all the relevant directories (bin, lib, include, man) directly in their preferred location (/usr/bin/X11, ...). That seems to work except that 1) The only windows I get are stuck in the upper left corner 2) I can't resize any windows 3) calling xman, the window that pops up appears to be too narrow and lines get truncated. I'll probably try to restart from scratch when I have more time, unless I get some useful suggestions/comments. Thanks in advance. Andre Roberge Laurentian University preferred address: andre@gollum.phys.laurentian.ca (NeXTmail welcome) default address: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (NeXTmail not welcome :-() P.S. I only have the "basics" stuff, not the full developer's package.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Apps loading & saving other formats (was: Re: Any competition for Frame?) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.161339.25995@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <jeffo.744933013@uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:13:39 GMT In article <jeffo.744933013@uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: * Henry McGilton writes: * [indirectly about a problem he apparently has with me on * application pricing] Jeff -- I don't have any problem with your positions on pricing. I was not angry -- I was actually being facetious as you'd see if you climbed down off your high horse. Software is following hardware down the rosy path to becoming a complete commodity. Outfits are having a harder time selling anything for more than a hundred dollars. This appears to be driven by the perceptions of the consumers more than any other issue. This issue creates major problems for developers in a market as small as NEXTSTEP right now. I've had a fairly long history of dealing with the vendors of document formatting and page layout software, going all the way back to the beta version of InterLeaf in 1983, and the embryonic Eden Tools (which later became FrameMaker) in 1984. Over this long time, the definition of what is ``entry level'' becomes more comprehensive. A person setting out today to create a document formatter must provide at least the functionality of MS Word. A page layout app must have at least the functionality of Quark. Marketing people say that the ``barrier to entry'' keeps getting higher. One can sell $49 apps in the Windows market because the potential marketplace is huge. But one also has to spend a firtune advertising in that marketplace. The NEXTSTEP community is smaller and one has a better chance of reaching the people in that market place. We (Trilithon Software) have for better or worse made a conscious decision to concentrate on apps that can be created quickly and priced under $100. Time will tell whether this is a good strategy or not. You have made many good points in the past, so as a matter of interest, why don't you tell us all what is your pricing strategy for your applications? ........ Henry
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 10 Aug 1993 15:20:55 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <248sen$3c4@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: Current 3.0->3.1 Upgrade Price? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.190149.1537@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <23qbcq$e06@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 19:01:49 GMT In article <23qbcq$e06@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) writes: > Maybe this has already become a FAQ but I couldn't find it. > What do I have to pay if I want to upgrade from 3.0 Extended Release (is > this the right name? It has got all the developer stuff in it.) to > 3.1 user + developer (black, of course). > > If memory serves right I think this changed recently. But silly me deleted > the mails announcing the new price. But then, maybe I'm wrong. > If you live in Europe, you're out of luck. NeXT sells the upgrade in the US for $755 (user) + $99 (developer), that was the change reported by Conrad some time ago. In Europe you pay $109 + $109 + VAR profit. Which means it is going for $250 instead of $174. And that is without taxes of course (but you can't blame NeXT for taxes). Total effect of these differences (pricing and taxes): US: approx. $190 Eu: approx. $290 (Posted/not mailed because I think this is of some interest to the community... :-) -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: SimonSays and Headset Mikes Message-ID: <1993Aug10.191520.1612@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1993Aug7.063509.7604@metrosoft.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 19:15:20 GMT To return to the original thread. I bought Simon (and received an upgrade). I also bought the AT headset when in the US last March. I haven't been using Simon since (so ordering or receiving an upgrade is in my case not a good indicator), but that is not because I'm not satisfied, just because I haven't had the time to train Simon properly and that was because of mike problems. The AT headset was a real problem. The stupid set is too small for my waterhead so it seems. HSD told me to put the pads on my temples, but the microphone ends up somewhere next to my ear and the pads crush the things that my glasses use to remain in place into my temples (what's that in English?). So I moved the pads to under my ears, which makes the microphone move, whenever I speak. A week ago I saw a trading room on a TV program, and there I saw some fellow wearing the pads on the collar of his shirt (where they are of no use) and the frame did rests on his neck. I immedaitely tried that position and it is wonderful. Now it's time to try Simon again. Maybe, if Andrew's test does not agree with mine, I will post my experiences too. -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP works on the ALR Evolution V (Pentium!) Date: 10 Aug 1993 20:08:46 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <248v8eINN7u4@gap.caltech.edu> References: <2478or$mtp@umd5.umd.edu> rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: >Well, my ALR Evolution V (60 MHz Pentium!) just came in (ordered it in >May!), and I installed my copy of NS/FIP on it *without* a hitch. >My configuration: > Adaptec 1542C SCSI card > ATI GUP (VL) > 660MB Fujitsu HD > Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM > 8 MB RAM (soon to be 40 MB :-) > Mouse Systems mouse (using PS/2 port) >NXBench reported the dhrystones to be ~88K/s (~56 VAX MIPs). >Norton's SI gave an index of ~135. >BTW, the computer came in a baby-AT case, instead of the full size case >that ALR previously advertised (I much prefer the smaller case). >The list price of this puppy (stripped -- no drive, 1 floppy, no video, >8 MB RAM) is $2450. Note, this is their ISA machine and it will crash if you try to use an audio card. Other than that it runs great. >Ross. >-- >Ross Cutler >University of Maryland, College Park >Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu Tal --
The Principal from "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer", "I think the students learned an important lesson on safty." ########################################################################### #################################################################### From: npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Date: 10 Aug 1993 20:25:00 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <24906s$e6j@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> In article 8341@nimno.wpa.com, john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: >Out of curiosity, where do most NS users position their recycler in the >dock? Until recently, I had always left mine at the very bottom, like a >good school boy just doing as he was told. Recently, I finally got tired >of the "long trip" all the way to the bottom. I decided to move it up to >the fourth position from the top of the dock Recycler? What's that? Oh, yea, that silly triangle with the three arrows. When I wish to delete something, I want it incinerated. I use 'cmd-r'. I never use the recycler. Nevin P.S. Besides, the black-hole of the pre-2.0 days was cooler.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: Re: ZyXEL upgrade? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.174829.5974@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp References: <1993Aug9.025942.3362@kcwc.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 17:48:29 GMT In article <1993Aug9.025942.3362@kcwc.com> curt@kcwc.com writes: > In comp.sys.next.misc, work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) writes: > >Did anyone of you upgrade, and if so, how did you go about it, > > I called them at 714-693-0808. They gave me an RMA number and I shipped > my modem to them. Got it back in a few days. > > Curt > I faxed a copy of my of my registration card with serial number and they sent me the ROMs within the same week. All I had to do is open the modem, replace the ROMs and send in my old ROMs. Patrique ====All Mail Accepted Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.161448.23502@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1309@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Aug9.125049.9067@rbc.uucp> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:14:48 GMT In article <1993Aug9.125049.9067@rbc.uucp> davis@ee.rochester.edu writes: >Glenn Reid writes >> .................... File formats are >> still the bane of the entire software industry. Many products can't >> even read their own files with 100% reliability across platforms. > >They do that on purpose to lock you in. They don't want you to >switch over to a competitor's product. > >Then they complain that sales are down. They don't realize that >locked-in == locked-out. > >al. Al, We don't feel that way... Virtuoso reads and writes Virtuoso for NEXSTEP and Solaris, FreeHand 3.X for Macintosh and Windows and Adobe Illustrator 3.X for all platforms as well as reads previuos versions of Illustrator. We believe in allowing people to retain their ``legacy'' files as well as allowing maximum interopabilty with clients who do not have cutting-edge software like NEXTSTEP. Besides, we want people choosing Virtuoso because it's great, not because they are forced to. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: Apps loading & saving other formats (was: Re: Any competition for Frame?) Message-ID: <CBKDq7.I5v@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <jeffo.744933013@uiuc.edu> <1993Aug10.161339.25995@trilithon.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 22:13:17 GMT In article <1993Aug10.161339.25995@trilithon.com> henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) writes: >Software is following hardware down the rosy path to becoming a >complete commodity. Outfits are having a harder time selling >anything for more than a hundred dollars. This appears to be driven >by the perceptions of the consumers more than any other issue. >This issue creates major problems for developers in a market as >small as NEXTSTEP right now. >[...] >A page layout app must have at least the functionality of Quark. Marketing >people say that the ``barrier to entry'' keeps getting higher. > >One can sell $49 apps in the Windows market because the potential >marketplace is huge. But one also has to spend a firtune advertising >in that marketplace. The NEXTSTEP community is smaller and one >has a better chance of reaching the people in that market place. > >We (Trilithon Software) have for better or worse made a conscious >decision to concentrate on apps that can be created quickly and >priced under $100. Time will tell whether this is a good strategy >or not. >[...] People do not buy things because they are inexpensive, people buy things because they fill a need. If the product happens to be inexpensive due to market forces, then capitalism is at work, and everyone is better off. The DOS/Win/Mac market is enormous and can support lots of competition and low prices in several areas. This is a plus for the D/W/M user, but the market also has it's minuses - namely some of NEXTSTEP's strengths. Prices will be driven by market forces - quantifiable or not. The NEXTSTEP market is not the DOS/Win/Mac market and should not be treated or viewed as such, for doing so may be a grave mistake. IMHO... Your conclusion and extrapolation from the D/W/M market into the NS market is ill-conceived. This does not mean your business strategy is ill-conceived, as I do believe there is a small utility market in NS, but you're kidding yourself if you think that low priced, low functionality in the NS market is the same as low priced, high competition, high functionality in the D/W/M market. Because, as you may find out - if it was created quickly by you, it can be created quickly by someone else. Just my thoughts, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Special Forces ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brian@wucs1.wustl.edu (Brian) Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <1993Aug10.230528.22607@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO References: <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 23:05:28 GMT In article <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) writes: > one of our NeXTdimension cubes is used as a black-and-white machine only. > So my idea is, to put this board aside my own dimension board. > > Is this possible? Are there experiences out there? Any problems - in > electrics, in software ? > It works just fine. We tried it once with the B&W Megapixel and two dimensions. Its REALLY cool... There shouldn't be any temperature effects, either, although I am not to be held responsible for your cube catching fire. I have been running my cube with 4 boards (not all dimensions, though) in it for about 6 months, without a problem. brian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jashley@cs.indiana.edu (J. Michael Ashley) Subject: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Message-ID: <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 23:49:33 GMT I'm trying to produce a postscript file from a diagram I have. I've tried saving it as EPS and clicking the 'save' button on the Print panel. In both cases, I can't get the resulting file to print on a non-NeXT printer. I've tried a DEC printer and a HP Laserjet III. I used ImageViewer to convert the .eps file to 1.2meg .ps that looked to me a lot like a bitmap. I tried printing that to the HP, and it dropped it on the floor. As a little hint, there appears to be a lot of NeXT-specific stuff at the beginning of both the .eps and .ps files generated by Digram!2. A little excerpt is below. I would *really really really* appreciate some hints on getting this file printed on a non-NeXT printer. Thanks! Mike Ashley %%BeginProcSet: /usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps 3.0 %! % NeXT Printing Package % Version: 3.0 % Copyright: 1988, NeXT, Inc. /__NXdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{def}ifelse}bind def /__NXbdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{bind def}ifelse}bind def /UserObjects 10 array __NXdef /defineuserobject{ exch dup 1 add dup UserObjects length gt{ array dup 0 UserObjects putinterval /UserObjects exch def }{pop}ifelse UserObjects exch 3 -1 roll put }__NXbdef
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: optadm7@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (J.Cassidy - Optometry) Subject: GatorFTP & Monitor Dimming & Drive access Message-ID: <CBKqID.Kt7@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 02:49:24 GMT Three questions: I am using both a NeXTstation and Clone running NS/FIP. I like using GatorFTP on the NeXTstation, and would like to run it on the Clone as well. Does anyone know if there is a FAT version, and if so where might I find it. I have tried sonata.cc.... but only the 68k version is there :-( Secondly, the dim monitor selection in the prefs app on the Intel version doesn't seem to have any effect. As long as I'm logged in, the monitor won't automatically dim. Any ideas why this is happening? Thirdly, the drive activity light is constanly flashing at a rate of about 2Hz. Has anyone else seen this on their machine? My config is as follows: Asis (sp?) 486/66DX2 motherboard with 256K cache 20Mb ram Adaptec 1542C SCSI 660Mb drive ATI Ultra VLB - 2Mb Sony cd-rom Hitachi 17" monitor El cheapo Dexa serial mouse and HI-TEK kbrd Thanks in advance for any help! Jim.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Mr_b Subject: Re: can I ftp NS/i hw compat guide? Message-ID: <93222.73235.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Sender: news@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com Organization: LMSC Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 20:20:35 PDT bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) asks: >Is there a place where I can ftp the NS/i hw compatibility guide? When I E-mail To: NeXTanswers@next.com with a Subject: HELP this little goodie appears at the end of the HELP note which I receive: > USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP >To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM >and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. This may also be helpful for you: >***************************************************************************** >If you have trouble reading any message from NeXTanswers, send your request >again with the keyword "ASCII". If you still can't read the mail reply, >please request the document via FAX by calling 415-780-3990. >For help using NeXTanswers, send a request with the keyword "HELP". >***************************************************************************** -- Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com Brian Mahoney Just myself commenting.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <CBKoEr.4t1@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 02:04:02 GMT In article <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) writes: #Hi, # #one of our NeXTdimension cubes is used as a black-and-white machine only. #So my idea is, to put this board aside my own dimension board. # #Is this possible? Are there experiences out there? Any problems - in #electrics, in software ? You will have to modify the backplane since the ND board needs to be in a prticular slot. It's similar to the backplane hack to get a second motherboard in a cube. Don't know how software would work though. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <247n3e$ivj@indigo.imp.ch> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:50:23 GMT Stefan Hauser writes []In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: [][.....] [] []sorry, that this has happend. []i have tracked down, who has done this, and he already lost his accounts on []our systems. further actions will be taken. [] [] etienne [] Thank you for this reassuring piece of news. Let's hope others contemplating such actions see what comes from it. So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what "further actions" should be taken :) I'll start with #10: 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting his "memoirs" to ghost writer. :) TLM -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug10.214832.515@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <1993Aug10.044907.12652@imani.cam.org> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 21:48:32 GMT In article <1993Aug10.044907.12652@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Also, I do, now that I realize what it was, condemn it mostly for what it > is, as well as for how big it was (This is still a problem to me. Please > don't do similar stuff for legitimate purposes. It's really annoying for > us 2400bps folks... No "second-class citizens" sh*t, please.). Piracy is > wrong (There's something new! 8^)) This kind of sh*t is good for nobody. > > So, I hope my name is cleared on this point, and we can all get back to > the real point: who are those folks, so we can whip them good! > > Ciao > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - I know how you feel. About 1.5 to 2 years ago when I first got an Ineret account. I had a 2400b modem for about 2 weeks. I had to dial long distance to my connection and it was pretty slow and expensive. Well it was just my luck that that week there was an argument going on about MIME mail. No problem so far, but it got pretty heated and some ass sent about a 1.5 megs of MIME mail that he knew noone could read. I could have strangled him. All the names were new to me back then, so his name meant nothing to me back then, but I think I know who it was, but don't want to say unless I'm wrong. Maybe after he reads this, he'll post: I didn't post no MIME mail so stop calling me a ass. :^) Rick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Non-US pricing for NS (Canada) Message-ID: <1993Aug11.044257.14608@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:42:57 GMT Hey folks! Last I heard, NeXT charged close to the price of the upgrade for NS 3.1Black to Canada (somewhere around 70$ for each package or something, on top of the upgrade price). Anything new? Any experience? Also, is this strictly shipping (i.e. could I have it sent to the states?)? Thanks for any info. Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: compiling and running xlock on the NeXT Message-ID: <scott.745053994@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 07:26:34 GMT I've been trying to get xlock (sccs version 23.21) patchlevel = 2.3 to compile on my NeXTstation colour and it seems to eventually work, yet whenever I run the program I get: xlock: bad command line option "-saturation argument must be between 0.0 and 1.0." I am not entirely sure where this is going wrong, I've specified the saturation, even modified the code so that the number should be between 0 and 100 but to no avail.....if anyone has managed to compile this I'd like to hear from them... Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
From: c1126770@comp.hkbc.hk (Chow Wing Siu) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hardware help for NS/I PLEASE!! Followup-To: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 Aug 1993 01:09:59 GMT Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Distribution: inet Message-ID: <24c597$a1c@ctsc.hkbc.hk> References: <246aaa$rv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Varun Mitroo (mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : CD-Rom: : Does the CD-ROM have to be a SCSI device? If not, can you still boot from a : CD-ROM connected through an IDE controller? Anybody have any experience with : multi-session CD-ROMs? Any advantage to buying one of these for a NeXTstep : system? : SCSI Controller: : Anybody with experience with the choices supported have any recommendations? Please email to me if anyone has answer. Chow Wing Siu c1126770@comp.hkbc.hk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) Subject: NSFIP and the NEC UltraLite Versa Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 12:54:26 GMT Message-ID: <27719@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet News at rsoft.bc.ca) I am wondering if anyone has had success installing NSFIP on the NEC UltraLite Versa. We have found that NEXSTEP installs without a problem; but leaves us with a portable that is plagued with problems. The following three are the most troubling: 1) When you boot the laptop if you do not hit enter immediately upon seeing that DOS like boot: prompt, the system will not boot; it just errors out and crashes. 2) The system does not shutdown; It just hangs shortly after selecting the shutdown button off the login panel. Powering the computer off at this point makes the boot process even more of a hassel then usual. 3) Apparently no support for any PCMCIA devices. This includes fax/modems and ethernet cards. Is this the type of functionality we can expect or have we missed something? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. thanks, grant -- Objective Business Systems Inc. Phone: 604.682.0510 Fax: 604.682.6579 Email: OBS_Inc@MindLink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <CBLJn5.D2v@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> <CBKoEr.4t1@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 13:16:58 GMT this is wrong. simply plug'n'play peter kent@infoserv.com wrote: : In article <1993Aug10.071854.25493@fokus.gmd.de> rfi@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Robert : Fischer) writes: ... : #Is this possible? Are there experiences out there? Any problems - in : #electrics, in software ? : You will have to modify the backplane since the ND board needs to be : in a prticular slot. It's similar to the backplane hack to : get a second motherboard in a cube. : Don't know how software would work though. : Kent : -- : /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ : /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ -- Carpe Diem? peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: NeXT Sighting in Communications Week, Aug. 9 Message-ID: <CBLL00.A8F@agedwards.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 13:47:59 GMT Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. NeXT had gotten some good corrollary press coverage in an article in the Aug. 9 Communications Week did on WilTel's "Big Project" starting on p. 1 and continued on p. 57. Though the focus is on WilTel, NeXT gets good mention in several places. -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro Date: 11 Aug 1993 15:55:34 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <24b4pm$hjk@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Aug9.234634.787@houston.dolphin.com> In article 787@houston.dolphin.com, jcr@dolphin.com (John C. Randolph) writes: >In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: >> >> CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! Use it at your own risk... remember, it must be installed as 'root'. Even if I was a bona-fide pirate, I don't think I would be that adventurous. I value my other files. Nevin
From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Date: 11 Aug 1993 16:01:54 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <24b55i$n0c@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> In article <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jashley@cs.indiana.edu (J. Michael Ashley) writes: &- I'm trying to produce a postscript file from a diagram I have. I've &- tried saving it as EPS and clicking the 'save' button on the Print &- panel. In both cases, I can't get the resulting file to print on a &- non-NeXT printer. I've tried a DEC printer and a HP Laserjet III. &- Umm... yes, that happened to me too. I was able to print the EPS file produced by Diagram!2; However, ONLY those little fancy icons I inserted as images associated with graph objects went blank when the document was printed in a Non-NeXT PS printer, the rest of the diagram look Okay. I then tried print exactly the same document on my NeXT-Printer, everything shows up exactly as what you see on screen. My suggestion, first check to see whether you can view your document with any postscript viewer programs that the non-NeXT PS printer is connected with. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Upgrade '030 Cube to NS 3.1? Message-ID: <1993Aug11.123148.19427@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> From: mgjones@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Michael Jones) Date: 11 Aug 93 12:31:47 -0500 I have 8 original '030 NeXT Cubes I would like to upgrade from NS 2.0 to NS 3.1. However, these machines only have the Optical read write drives in them, and I am told a CD-Rom drive cannot be hooked up to them without a hardware upgrade. So I have two questions: 1) is there any way to hook up a CD-ROM to these the way they are? 2) Can the 3.1 distribution fit on a 256 meg optical disk if I copied it using a machine with a CD-ROM? (also, can the development rom be copied onto another one?). Any suggestions on how I could get a 3.1 upgrade insatalled on these would be greatly appreciated. Looking for minimal costs above the upgrade cost. *** Please email replies. +--------------------------------------------------------------/\--------+ | Mike Jones | Internet : mgjones@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu / \ | | -------- | Compu$erve: 73353,1134 /\/\/\ /\ | | NeXT Admin | PowerNet : 513-523-4293 (8N1) /\ / \/ \ | +------------------------------------------------------/ \/ \ \+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: 720K Mac disks under NSI Message-ID: <CBLpwx.ApB@agedwards.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 15:34:08 GMT References: <1993Aug9.110215.2439@yvax.byu.edu> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. john@kolob.byu.edu (John Peterson) writes: >Hardware Update 2.0 for the Macintosh allows a Macintosh with a SuperDrive >(any since about 1988) to format a 720K floppy (instead of the normal 800k >with variable sectors per track). Since IBM-style drives can read these (at >the sector level, anyway) I tried to use one with NEXTSTEP for Intel >Processors. To my surprise (well, not really) it works! Time to update your >docs, NeXT. (They state that only high density Macintosh disks are >readable--which was true at the time.) The reason that NeXT drives can't read 400 and 800K disks from the Mac is because Apple actually varied the rotational speeds depending on where the head was located relative to the center of the disk. The drives (or the controllers -- not sure which) used in the NeXT do not have that capability. Actually, I just realize that I was talking about black-hardware drives, and you were talking about Intel drives. Oh well -- the same problems apply to them also. Incidentally, if you have a PLI SuperFloppy 2.8 on black hardware, you can read 400k and 800k disks. Anybody know if the PLI will work with Intel hardware (maybe, since it's SCSI)? -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: mark@dtl.tamu.edu (Mark Doucet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Touch Screen for NeXT Date: 11 Aug 1993 17:14:43 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <24b9e3$83t@tamsun.tamu.edu> Does anyone know of a touch srcreen product that will work with NEXTSTEP on either the black or white hardware? Thanks in advance Mark
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: compiling and running xlock on the NeXT Date: 11 Aug 1993 16:59:00 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <24b8gk$657@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <scott.745053994@shrug> In article <scott.745053994@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: ] I've been trying to get xlock (sccs version 23.21) patchlevel = 2.3 to ] compile on my NeXTstation colour and it seems to eventually work, yet ] whenever I run the program I get: ] ] xlock: bad command line option "-saturation argument must be between 0.0 and 1.0." ] ] I am not entirely sure where this is going wrong, I've specified the ] saturation, even modified the code so that the number should be between ] 0 and 100 but to no avail.....if anyone has managed to compile this ] I'd like to hear from them... All I needed to change to get it running was the following diff. One other note--on a 2-bit NeXT you must run xlock with the -mono flag. *** xlock.c.orig Thu Apr 9 10:01:02 1992 --- xlock.c Thu Apr 9 11:46:50 1992 *************** *** 419,425 **** --- 419,429 ---- pw = getpwnam("root"); strcpy(rootpass, pw->pw_passwd); + #ifdef NeXT + pw = getpwnam(getlogin()); + #else pw = getpwnam(cuserid(NULL)); + #endif strcpy(userpass, pw->pw_passwd); user = pw->pw_name; *************** *** 641,646 **** --- 645,653 ---- GetResources(argc, argv); + #ifdef NeXT + saturation = 1.0; + #endif CheckResources(); font = XLoadQueryFont(dsp, fontname); -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: mdd@zeke.Rockefeller.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Message-ID: <1993Aug11.124847.14152@rockyd.rockefeller.edu> Organization: Rockefeller University References: <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 12:48:47 EDT In article <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jashley@cs.indiana.edu writes: >I'm trying to produce a postscript file from a diagram I have. I've >tried saving it as EPS and clicking the 'save' button on the Print >panel. In both cases, I can't get the resulting file to print on a >non-NeXT printer. I've tried a DEC printer and a HP Laserjet III. > >I used ImageViewer to convert the .eps file to 1.2meg .ps that looked >to me a lot like a bitmap. I tried printing that to the HP, and it >dropped it on the floor. > >As a little hint, there appears to be a lot of NeXT-specific stuff at >the beginning of both the .eps and .ps files generated by Digram!2. >A little excerpt is below. > >I would *really really really* appreciate some hints on getting this >file printed on a non-NeXT printer. > >Thanks! >Mike Ashley > >%%BeginProcSet: /usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps 3.0 >%! >% NeXT Printing Package >% Version: 3.0 >% Copyright: 1988, NeXT, Inc. > >/__NXdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{def}ifelse}bind def >/__NXbdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{bind def}ifelse}bind def >/UserObjects 10 array __NXdef >/defineuserobject{ > exch dup 1 add dup UserObjects length gt{ > array dup 0 UserObjects putinterval > /UserObjects exch def > }{pop}ifelse UserObjects exch 3 -1 roll put >}__NXbdef This is a promising place to start looking for the problem. I have to print over the network from my NeXT to an HP LaserWriter IIIsi or an Apple Laserwriter through a VMS system. I had a lot of trouble getting this to work. The HP would just blink its lights for a while and then never print anything out. I finally traced the problem to the long lines in /usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps. After carefully shortening lines by hand (mostly by removing the unnecessary leading tabs and spaces), my problems went away (well, the HP still chokes on some long binary PS files). (For a while I thought the problem was the VMS system truncating lines or whatever, but this didn't seem to be the problem.) I am curious to know why appartently standard PS in a NeXT file consistently breaks some printers. (I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the printer is configured incorrectly.) Another thing to try if you run into similar problem PS files to find the utility PSlinewrap (I think from ftp.adobe.com). This sometimes breaks things though (for instance, it breaks the printPackage file). Hope this helps. Mark Doyle mdd@zeke.rockefeller.edu P.S. You will have to fix printPackage each time you upgrade if this turns out to be your problem.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <CBLup6.4LL@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <247n3e$ivj@indigo.imp.ch> <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 17:17:29 GMT In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu writes: > >10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting >his "memoirs" to ghost writer. 9) Perpetrators forced to use vt100 terminals and 300 baud acoustic couplers. Parole to vt220 for good behavior in 6 months. -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Fax: (617) 863-8575 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) Voice: (617) 861-5579 NeXTMail O.K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,triange.jobs From: jcelam@ witsend (James Clifton Elam) Subject: Cary, NC, Two (2) Full Time Permanent: SQL, EDI, Systems Integration Message-ID: <1993Aug11.172155.710@glv.uucp> Keywords: Sybase, EDI, NeXT, Immediate Hiring Possibility Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 17:21:55 GMT Encompass, a well funded startup backed by two fortune 100 companies is in the business of providing logistics solutions to major international corporations. We're located in Cary, NC. (Town slogan: A nice place to raise a family. No kidding.) Our group uses an in-house developed application, on the NeXT, to develop gateways between our software and other systems. We make extensive use of NeXT workstations, VAX's, and next generation client-server applications. Our team is small, matrixed, and high performance: we're pushing process, procedure, and technology to deliver quality product quickly. This is not for the faint of heart: there is a lot of visibility inherent in this job. You must: 1> Learn quickly 2> Write SQL easily- a few years experience, preferably Sybase 3> Deal with Unix and VMS - good user knowledge is essential - programming is a plus 4> Work easily with large databases - lots of tables and data - very complex data model 5> Have past programming experience in a structured 3gl - C, Pascal, ... This isn't a programming position but you have to be able to think like a programmer to function around here! 6> Have past programming experience in a 4gl - Uniface, Progress, ... You won't be coding in a 4gl, but you should be familiar with the issues you'll be facing 7> Have hotshot analysis skills - 'nuff said! 8> Want to have (IMHO) the best workstation in the world on your desk! I'd like: 1> Good sense of humor - obviously! 2> Ability to work under pressure without losing temper (too often :-) 3> Some experience with integration: vague requirements, floating customer expectations,.... 4> OOPS would be nice - our application is written in Objective-C on the NeXT 5> Some exposure to large scale systems architecture. 6> Some knowledge of EDI - please at least know what the initials mean before calling! Please call (collect is ok), e-mail, or fax and I'll be glad to tell you more about our company and what we do. I can handle NeXT mail, eps, frame,.... PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING POINTS: - This is a potential job opening: it has not been "signed off" yet! - All resumes go to our HR department as soon as I get 'em - All resumes will be acknowledged by our HR department - Encompass is an equal opportunity employer - You may snail mail resumes to: Encompass 113 Edinburgh South Cary, NC 27511 [This isn't a 'blessed by Human Resources' posting.] [If I make any boo-boos it's my fault, etc.... ] -- James "Cliff" Elam | jcelam%witsend@glv.com - NeXT mail! (919) 460-3240 (v,w) | NeXTStep/Intel + IB + DBKit @ $295 ! (919) 460-3295 (fax) | All I want to do is go home now, please. -- James "Cliff" Elam | jcelam%witsend@glv.com - NeXT mail! (919) 460-3240 (v,w) | NeXTStep/Intel + IB + DBKit @ $295 ! (919) 481-0145 (fax) | All I want to do is go home now, please.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) Subject: Re: remote pkg for Archie Message-ID: <1993Aug11.184206.21770@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <CB6uFo.L0s@inrird.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 18:42:06 GMT sladen@marlin.nosc.mil wrote: : I am trying to unpackage Archie2.05a from sonata, but the package requires : data from superc.che.udel.edu. I am having trouble connecting to that : machine. Can anyone help me? : Thanks in advance I don't know, where I got the sources from, but the best way is to Mail the author Scott Stark stark@superc.che.udel.edu. BTW: there is a newer Version around, I use 2.06a 3/9/1993 : sladen@marlin.nosc.mil - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Touch Screen for NeXT Message-ID: <CBM03L.32q@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <24b9e3$83t@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 19:06:59 GMT Contact Tom Thibideau at Visus in Atlanta (404) 634-6335 or Eric Level at 47 Software (612) 430-1529. Current supported product: Elographics Intellitouch (acoustic wave) Runs on black really well. (better than the mouse in my humble opinion) Will run on white soon -- mid-September at the latest. peter Mark Doucet (mark@dtl.tamu.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know of a touch srcreen product that will work with NEXTSTEP : on either the black or white hardware? : Thanks in advance : Mark -- Bureaucratically speaking, I am a subversive to obstructionists... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug11.182412.7879@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 18:24:12 GMT In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: | So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what | "further actions" should be taken :) | | I'll start with #10: | | 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting | his "memoirs" to ghost writer. Unfortunately, when his wife told him about the ghost writer, Dan thought she meant Casper so he recited it to an empty room. "Got that down, Casper? What? Timmy's in trouble?" How about: 9) Forced to listen to 24 hours of binaurally recorded modem noise at excessive volume, through headphones. 8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT World" message, at full volume, through headphones. 7) An all expense paid trip to Maryland for an extensive team lecture by Acquiesence and Yamanari, on a topic of their choice. :) -- Jonathan Hendry It's a thousand classes, give or take a few, <jon@afs.com> I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare Writer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Good PD term program for NS/FIP? Message-ID: <jhough.745099447@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 20:04:07 GMT Does anyone know of a decent terminal program that will run under Nextstep for Intel? I have a USRobotics 14.4 internal, and I'd like to get something that supports ANSI and Z-modem.... Thanks in advance... Jason -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: Summer sales? Message-ID: <1993Aug9.174556.25718@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:45:56 GMT In article <CB9uA9.Hy6@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > Are there any other NeXT developers, other than Rightbrain, which have > special pricing for the rest of the summer? > MicroPhone Pro for NeXTSTEP (Black Hardware) still has it's $99 special price. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Installing MircoPhone Pro Message-ID: <1993Aug10.173454.13172@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <1993Aug9.121759.568@ccsi.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 17:34:54 GMT In article <1993Aug9.121759.568@ccsi.com> shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) writes: > > > As I recall, Microphone was a program that required that it be run root to > be installed. (For getting the permissions on the serial ports set > properly..?) Actually, you can just type chmod 666 /dev/cu* as root instead. It's silly, but NeXT made /dev/cu* 600 preventing any telecomm from working. /dev/tty* is 666 already, so you don't really gain anything. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug11.020152.3752@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 02:01:52 GMT In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: -> Stefan Hauser writes -> []In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: -> [][.....] -> [] -> []sorry, that this has happend. -> []i have tracked down, who has done this, and he already lost his accounts -> on -> []our systems. further actions will be taken. -> [] -> [] etienne -> [] -> -> Thank you for this reassuring piece of news. Let's hope -> others contemplating such actions see what comes from it. -> -> So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about -> a list of what "further actions" should be taken :) -> -> I'll start with #10: -> -> 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of -> Dan Quayle reciting his "memoirs" to ghost writer. I echo my thanks and really question why the perpetrator's identity should be in any way kept quiet? The most effective grocery store method for eliminating bad checks is to post the returned checks on a public bulletin board (and refuse to accept any further, of course). Let ``cracker''s accesses be restricted to ``cracker'' organizations, and less advanced operating systems. Let (his) access be restricted to comparable fraudulent schemes which will shortly get (him) caught and (his) hardware and software confiscated. The telecommunications industry still has more clout in such things than the software industry -- more political pull -- and thereby quicker and more definite response by law enforcement. WARNING REMINDER: MicroPhone-Pro is set for suid root operation by either the ``expert'' setup directions, or the included quickie application. Although the actual root user is locked out of use, ALL users starting it up are actually root as the program starts -- therefore IF trojan operation has been hidden with the hacks of the binaries posted here, they WILL have unblocked access to your system -- only read-only filesystems (i.e. CDROM or Net-Mounted read-only) will be in any way protected from infection by any enclosed virus, or simple trojan operation. The nefarious activity would not have to happen on the first or tenth execution -- it could be timed for a given system date, restricted to systems with certain ID's, included in a re-use counter, or any one of a number of things which would tend to lull one into feelings of safety. In a networked environment, it could have even worse effects, as it could alter identities, become a nuisance on the local (or wider) network... These comments do NOT pertain to the REAL -- OFFICIAL MicroPhone-Pro, but to the hacked version. As for #9 in the list started by Dr. Tom... # 9> Lock (him) within view of the best NEXTSTEP network in existance, and out of reach of mouse and keyboard. Periodically (about every 10 minutes) play the HAHAHAH sound file that was posted in a Rich-Text newsgroup posting about a year ago. -- around the clock -- until (he) can no longer control bodily functions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Driver list for NS/FIP 3.1? Message-ID: <jhough.745101238@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 20:33:58 GMT Does anyone have, or know where I can get, a list of the video cards supported by NS/FIP 3.1? Sorry if this is a FAQ, I'm totally new to Next. I just want to make sure that when my NS software shows up next week I have a video card that wont cause it any grief. Currently I have a Diamond Stealth 24, which is based on the S3 chip. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: NSFIP For Pentium? Message-ID: <1993Aug11.210057.1057@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 21:00:57 GMT Has anyone gotten NS to run on a Pentium box? What kind of performance does it have? -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com Encompass 113 Edinburgh South Suite 200 Cary, NC 27511 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: NSFIP Com Port ? Message-ID: <1993Aug11.210226.1122@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 21:02:26 GMT How do you get access to the com ports? I have a modem connected to com3 and want to see if I an dial out. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com Encompass 113 Edinburgh South Suite 200 Cary, NC 27511 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DestJet driver woes Date: 11 Aug 1993 21:16:46 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <24bnju$qfb@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I've installed the deskjet driver (djf_for_3.0) on a cube running 3.0. Printer is a DeskJet 500. Under 2.1 the previous driver worked great. However, on occasion I now have problems printing a full document. I can send a verifiably good multipage document to the printer and only the first page gets printed. The rest disappear. I've tried power cycling the printer and restarting the print stuff (using lpc). However, still can't get more than one page to spit out. The problem appears to be transient. Yesterday things were printing fine and today they aren't. I havn't power cycled the computer. The documents are specifically TeX documents translated to PS using dvips. TeXview and the postscript previewer have no problems. Checked the FAQ's to no avail. :( Any ideas?? All help appreciated. I will summarize if there is interest. - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Where is source for BackSpace v3.0? Date: 11 Aug 1993 22:11:38 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <24bqqq$a0v@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> I am looking for the source code to BackSpace version 3.0. I hope to make it run on my NS/FIP machine (once I get my machine...). Is the code at any of the archives (sonata, cs.orst, nova)? -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: blum@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Blum) Subject: RN Message-ID: <1993Aug11.232439.17476@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1993Aug11.210057.1057@glv.uucp> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 23:24:39 GMT I wanted to get a hold of rn news tool for my NeXTStation so that I can read news from my home using a slow modem. I was wondering if there was anybody that knew how to get a hold of either the source code or the binary for a NeXT machine. Steve Blum blum@eggplant.stanford.edu NeXTmail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <austinCBMCKw.113@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <9308091649.AA09573@tech.mis.cfc.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 23:43:44 GMT CRACKSTEP is a user friendly way to spell "I'm a rectal virus who seeks to make an ass of myself in a global way." Whoever you are who decided to CRACK a very appreciated software company should die of the rectal virus that you are. You will be found out about and your name is going to get posted. I also hope you suffer profound consequences because of it. Tony Austin BlueSky Software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: Good PD term program for NS/FIP? Message-ID: <CBMDqs.14E@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <jhough.745099447@qualcom> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 00:08:52 GMT In article <jhough.745099447@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: >Does anyone know of a decent terminal program that will run under >Nextstep for Intel? I have a USRobotics 14.4 internal, and I'd like >to get something that supports ANSI and Z-modem.... Not PD, but.. My company has a new term/comm product `Cables' in Pre-Release, (low prices) right now. Among other things, it has color/mono ANSI-PC emulation with a full IBM extended charset and zmodem. I hope to get a demo out on the net sooooooooooooon. send to yrrid@world.std.com for more info. -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Special Forces ::
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is source for BackSpace v3.0? Date: 12 Aug 1993 00:47:46 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <24c3vi$t7r@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <24bqqq$a0v@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> In article <24bqqq$a0v@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > I am looking for the source code to BackSpace version 3.0. I hope > to make it run on my NS/FIP machine (once I get my machine...). Is the > code at any of the archives (sonata, cs.orst, nova)? BackSpace is an example program. The source for it came with NeXTSTEP 3.0, just look in the directory /NextDeveloper/Examples/AppKit -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdawson@oceania.com (John Dawson) Subject: Re: Virus software? Message-ID: <CBMEy5.LHD@oceania.com> Sender: jdawson@oceania.com (John Dawson) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <1993Aug9.182810.16396@adobe.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 00:34:50 GMT Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: > A virus, in the traditional sense, _can't_ work on a system with > true memory protection. A virus, to work, needs to be able to patch > the running code resources of an application from an infected > application. With memory protection, such an attempt would simply > crash the infected application. Not very effective. Toy operating > systems lack such memory protection, and an infected application > can infect every other application running on the system, including > the system itself. Not quite true. If a virus infected one program you were running, it could infect other programs *you* were running. Consider debuggers. They can attach to running programs and read and write the memory therein. Normally, this isn't that helpful, since usually you won't leave any programs running when you log out. But what if a virus that ran in this environment forked off a daemon that survived to reinfect you when you logged back in? Such a thing wouldn't be able to clobber the system, but it *would* be able to do anything to you it wanted. ...jkd -- jdawson@oceania.com (John Dawson) We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me.
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Has anyone used gunzip under NS/FIP? Date: 12 Aug 1993 04:29:10 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <24cgum$beg@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> I am wondering if anyone has used gzip & gunzip found in gzip-FAT-1.2.3.tar.Z under NS/FIP 3.1? I am asking because I would like to use it to help transfer materials from my school account to my NS/FIP computer (which hasn't been shipped to me) and I must copy the software to floppies before I get the computer. I am leery of copying 20MB of gzip-ped material to learn that gunzip doesn't actually work under NS/FIP 3.1. Any verification of this program is greatly appreciated. -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? " -- Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <CBMrFq.JJ7@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Aug11.182412.7879@afs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 05:04:38 GMT jon@afs.com writes []In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom []Marchioro) writes: []| So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what []| "further actions" should be taken :) []| []| I'll start with #10: []| []| 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting []| his "memoirs" to ghost writer. <parts of list trimmed> []8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT World" message, []at full volume, through headphones. [] No no, I **definitely** that belongs in the top three. . . . the first thing I do whenever creating new accounts is to go and delete that message before the user has a chance to play it (and I have a chance to overhear it :) TLM -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ror@netcom.com (RatSnatcher) Subject: Re: NSFIP on Zeos Message-ID: <rorCBMsEv.B23@netcom.com> Organization: Pigdog Journal References: <69967@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 05:25:42 GMT Gregory Baratoff (baratoff@cfar.umd.edu) wrote: : A while ago somebody asked whether NSFIP would run on a ZEOS 486/66 : system. I don't remember who that was, nor have I seen any replies on : the net. Anybody care to comment ? : While we're at it : Zeos offers an on-board SCSI adapter (controller ?). : Can it be used for NSFIP ? I may be the one who posted that. I have received one encouraging letter from someone who has gotten NeXTSTEP to run on a Zeos 486/33. He said that he used an Adaptec 1542B card. Apparently the on-board Zeos SCSI is not supported. He was using a INTEL Professional/GX, SUN CD ROM (Sony) and had some problem with that. He had to do some weird things... Here's what he said: 1) I ejected the floppy disk as soon as I could. Certainly before the resetting SCSI bus messages. 2) Finally I modified the CMOS setup and 'disabled' the keyboard. Only then would the CD ROM be accessed. Someone posted a solution for INTEL Professional/GX, SUN CD ROM problem that I also encountered. In order for the CD ROM to work I had to wait untill the boot process gave up looking for the CD ROM (it prints several periods across the screen while waiting for the drive to come ready) and insert the CD when the 'resetting SCSI bus' message reappeared. Perhaps this would have also worked for me on the ZEOS. and insert the CD when the 'resetting SCSI bus' message reappeared. Perhaps this would have also worked for me on the ZEOS. He said that it drove him crazy getting it running, but that once you get it going, it runs great on the Zeos! This gives me great hope because I have a Zeos 486/66 that I want to run NeXTSTEP on. I can't afford to buy another motherboard. I'm going to attempt to dissable the on-board SCSI, and put an Adaptec 1542B card in. I've got both an Apple CD-ROM 300 and a Texel CD ROM, so I'm hoping one of those will work... I'd like to hear from anyone else who has had experience installing NeXTSTEP on a Zeos machine. RoR -- ror@netcom.com ~RoR-Alucard~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@pages.com(Bruce Henderson) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug11.174127.16467@pages.com> Sender: bruce@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <9095@news.next.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 17:41:27 GMT In article <9095@news.next.com> CRACKSTEP@next.com writes: > > CRACKSTEP presents MicroPhone Pro ! > > It's for NextStep Intel and there is no more 20 minute limit > anymore !! > > Enjoy it ! > > > - The CRACKSTEP crew > Let's find this jerk! News path from pages.com is: Path: pages!nosc!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk! pipex!uunet!mcsun!chsun!imp.ch!wonderland.anywhere If enough people post the path for this crap, we can zero in on the point of origin. Please E-Mail the news header for this turd to bruce@pages.com When I find him/her, I'll let all of you know who it is
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good PD term program for NS/FIP? Date: 12 Aug 1993 01:11:23 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <24cjdr$4j7@digifix.digifix.com> References: <CBMDqs.14E@world.std.com> Chris Lloyd writes > In article <jhough.745099447@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: > >Does anyone know of a decent terminal program that will run under > >Nextstep for Intel? I have a USRobotics 14.4 internal, and I'd like > >to get something that supports ANSI and Z-modem.... > > Not PD, but.. > > My company has a new term/comm product `Cables' in Pre-Release, (low > prices) right now. Among other things, it has color/mono ANSI-PC > emulation with a full IBM extended charset and zmodem. I've been running the Pre-Release of Cables for about a week now. It works very well. Fast, good NEXTSTEP interface. Fast. And the VT102 emulation is very good. You have alot of control over colors, cursor type, scrollback buffers, window displays, keybindings.... Whats REALLY neat is that it is a replacement for Terminal.app. So you are using the exact same program for both telecommunications and shell communications. The prerelease pricing is very good, and Chris has been very receptive to input on features. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail.app won't send NextMail anymore! Date: 12 Aug 1993 03:12:37 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <24cqh5$5b6@digifix.digifix.com> In the past couple of days, all of a sudden my Mail.app doesn't seem to want to send NextMail to anyone. The bodies of the messages are empty. What's REALLY strange is that I can send it to myself, or to another account I have on an SCO machine, and it has the body there, uuencoded and all. Has anyone else seen this? The only thing I can recall changing was a couple of NetInfo settings for security stuff, as outlined in the SysAdmin docs. Any help???? Thanks Scott -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NSFIP and the NEC UltraLite Versa Message-ID: <1993Aug11.144041.5605@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <27719@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 14:40:41 GMT In article <27719@mindlink.bc.ca> OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) writes: > I am wondering if anyone has had success installing NSFIP on the NEC > UltraLite Versa. We have found that NEXSTEP installs without a problem; but > leaves us with a portable that is plagued with problems. > [specifics deleted] > Is this the type of functionality we can expect or have we missed something? The Versa was available to NeXT for a very brief time prior to 3.1 being frozen. I was impressed that they supported it at all. Expect it to work much better with 3.2. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Driver list for NS/FIP 3.1? Message-ID: <1993Aug12.032556.7601@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <jhough.745101238@qualcom> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 03:25:56 GMT In article <jhough.745101238@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: > Currently I have a Diamond Stealth 24, which is based on the S3 chip. NEXTSTEP 3.1 supports the S3 chipset, but that doesn't guarantee that every card which uses it will run properly. When it arrives, please try it and post your findings. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Re: Has anyone used gunzip under NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Aug12.075513.9150@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science References: <24cgum$beg@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 07:55:13 GMT fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > I am wondering if anyone has used gzip & gunzip found in > gzip-FAT-1.2.3.tar.Z under NS/FIP 3.1? Don't use the gzip/gunzip combo supplied by NeXT in 3.1 (the compiled versions). They crashed my system several times with "unrecognizable data format" like messages and I had to reset the computer and watch fsck correct my hd (no shutdown commands worked). I then took some time to compile the newest gnu versions and have used them without a glitch since then. Bart PS. I haven't checked on version numbers yet. Maybe 1.2.3 is more stable then the compiled versions? PPS. I'm working with white hardware. -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <18918@news.duke.edu> Date: 11 Aug 93 12:36:20 GMT References: <1993Aug10.230528.22607@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Brian writes > It works just fine. We tried it once with the B&W Megapixel and two > dimensions. Its REALLY cool... > > There shouldn't be any temperature effects, either, although I am not to be > held responsible for your cube catching fire. I have been running my cube with > 4 boards (not all dimensions, though) in it for about 6 months, without a > problem. I'm curious--what does having >1 board (Dimension or otherwise) in a Cube do for you? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbaur@blabel.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Christian Baur) Subject: Re: GatorFTP & Monitor Dimming & Drive access Message-ID: <1993Aug12.084908.965@blabel.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Organization: Home of BlackLabel References: <CBKqID.Kt7@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 08:49:08 GMT optadm7@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (J.Cassidy - Optometry) writes: >Three questions: >I am using both a NeXTstation and Clone running NS/FIP. I like >using GatorFTP on the NeXTstation, and would like to run it on the >Clone as well. Does anyone know if there is a FAT version, and if >so where might I find it. I have tried sonata.cc.... but only the >68k version is there :-( ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:~ftp/pub/next/Network/GatorFTP_NS486_1.3.app. tar.Z But I think it is also available on cs.orst.edu. cb -- [ Christian Baur, Muenchen-Germany | Suicide is an urban disease ] [ cbaur@informatik.uni-muenchen.de | Spread by people and places like these ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re:Tailor announces PS app Message-ID: <549FBBIC@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 11:27:24 GMT From comps.sys.next.announce: >MAKE GRAPHIC CHANGES TO ANY POSTSCRIPT DOCUMENT (PS or EPS) FROM >ANY PLATFORM, FROM ANY APPLICATION! > >TAILOR PS and EPS editing software takes advantage of the NEXTSTEP >Environment. > >Englewood Colorado, August 5, 1993 - PostScript is a type of format >widely used to transfer information between applications and >platforms in many publishing environments. However, by using this >universal format, one looses the ability to make any changes to the >imported information, apart from sizing and positioning. Now, for >all NEXTSTEP users, Tailor eliminates this important restriction! > >Tailor enables you to graphically edit any PostScript document, >including multi-page PostScript files imported from MS Windows or >Macintosh platforms. You can move, reshape, or delete all types of >graphic objects, such as line art, text and pixel images. You can >re-color, modify or add line art. You can alter typefaces, modify >or add text, and regroup text lines into paragraphs for more >flexible editing. And you can save the results back in a PostScript >file or use the standard copy and paste functions to place them in >any NEXTSTEP application. Boy - this sounds terrific. Have they really done the job? This is just incredible. As far as I know there's nothing similiiar on any platform so far. Has anybody more information on this software - has anybody seen it working? I also haven't heard of Tailor. Who are they? I thought if anybody could do a piece of software like that, then Glenn Reid - but he seems to be busy with Paste Up. So somebody else must have done it. Glenn, care to comment? I'm just very curious, Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
From: hubert@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Hubert Moesslein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DSP-programming Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 13:50:51 GMT Organization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <24dhrrEc8i@uni-erlangen.de> Hello, has anyone experience in using the DSP in the NEXT. I'm trying to set up a stream through the DSP to sndout using the function snddriver_stream_setup(...) with dataPath = SNDDRIVER_DMA_STREAM_THROUGH_DSP_TO SNDOUT_44 Now I want to know, what I have to do to get the data from the DSP to SNDOUT. Thanks in advance for your help and please answer via email, because I don't read this group very often. bye Hubert _______________________________________________________________________________ _ | // | email: hubert@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de // | phone: 0049-9131 85-7190 (univ.) ||||| _ // | 0049-9131 24682 (priv.) o(@)^(@)o \\ // | Stubenlohstr.13 91052 Erlangen / W-Germany \ U / \\ // |_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- <#> \X/ things, that try to look like things, do often more look like things than things
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: BUG & SOLUTION: Display of fonts on NeXT (usually TeXview) Message-ID: <CBnL0H.5xt@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 15:43:29 GMT Sorry I didn't get this done earlier, but things have been hectic this week. Here, as per my earlier posting, is a description, as well as a hack to fix, a troublesome bug in the NeXT display postscript fonts. This information is for NeXTstep 3.0 running on black. Although it was detailed to NeXT at great length (they're support people were quite helpful while we were tracking it down) I do not know if this bug has been fixed in 3.1. Basically, there is a bad UniqueID for the Ohlfs font that causes the font cache to get screwed at times, thus the metrics from one font will be used with the glyphs from another. The bug is intermittent, and highly context dependent in that it depends on what fonts you have used and in what order, so you can imagine the fun times we had tracking it down. The following information is cut and pasted from the correspondence I saved 'twixt me, Rokicki, and the person as NeXT, so the logic may wander a little, but I think it's complete. Anyone wiht more questions on the subject is welcome to contact me by E-mail. First, demonstration of the bug: =============================================================== I spent all day trying to track down this problem, but to no avail. As far as I can tell, the NeXT has a problem with its font cache. Specifically, fonts with no UniqueID (perfectly legal) seem to mess things up. Please read this whole message . . . First, to duplicate the problem. Log out of your machine, and then log in as `exit' to restart the WSM. Now, log in. `Open' the following file (Preview will load it), when it displays (a single line), exit Preview. Here's the file, more stuff after the file: %!PS-Adobe-2.0 %%Creator: dvips 5.511 Copyright 1986, 1993 Radical Eye Software %%Title: CV.dvi %%CreationDate: Wed Feb 10 17:03:31 1993 %%Pages: 1 %%PageOrder: Ascend %%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %%DocumentFonts: Times-Roman Times-Italic Times-Bold %%EndComments %DVIPSCommandLine: dvips CV -p 5 -n 1 -o CV.ps %DVIPSSource: TeX output 1993.02.10:1025 %%BeginProcSet: tex.pro /TeXDict 250 dict def TeXDict begin /N{def}def /B{bind def}N /S{exch}N /X{S N} B /TR{translate}N /isls false N /vsize 11 72 mul N /@rigin{isls{[0 -1 1 0 0 0] concat}if 72 Resolution div 72 VResolution div neg scale isls{Resolution hsize -72 div mul 0 TR}if Resolution VResolution vsize -72 div 1 add mul TR matrix currentmatrix dup dup 4 get round 4 exch put dup dup 5 get round 5 exch put setmatrix}N /@landscape{/isls true N}B /@manualfeed{statusdict /manualfeed true put}B /@copies{/#copies X}B /FMat[1 0 0 -1 0 0]N /FBB[0 0 0 0]N /nn 0 N /IE 0 N /ctr 0 N /df-tail{/nn 8 dict N nn begin /FontType 3 N /FontMatrix fntrx N /FontBBox FBB N string /base X array /BitMaps X /BuildChar{ CharBuilder}N /Encoding IE N end dup{/foo setfont}2 array copy cvx N load 0 nn put /ctr 0 N[}B /df{/sf 1 N /fntrx FMat N df-tail}B /dfs{div /sf X /fntrx[sf 0 0 sf neg 0 0]N df-tail}B /E{pop nn dup definefont setfont}B /ch-width{ch-data dup length 5 sub get}B /ch-height{ch-data dup length 4 sub get}B /ch-xoff{128 ch-data dup length 3 sub get sub}B /ch-yoff{ch-data dup length 2 sub get 127 sub}B /ch-dx{ch-data dup length 1 sub get}B /ch-image{ch-data dup type /stringtype ne{ctr get /ctr ctr 1 add N}if}B /id 0 N /rw 0 N /rc 0 N /gp 0 N /cp 0 N /G 0 N /sf 0 N /CharBuilder{save 3 1 roll S dup /base get 2 index get S /BitMaps get S get /ch-data X pop /ctr 0 N ch-dx 0 ch-xoff ch-yoff ch-height sub ch-xoff ch-width add ch-yoff setcachedevice ch-width ch-height true[1 0 0 -1 -.1 ch-xoff sub ch-yoff .1 add]{ch-image}imagemask restore}B /D{/cc X dup type /stringtype ne{]}if nn /base get cc ctr put nn /BitMaps get S ctr S sf 1 ne{dup dup length 1 sub dup 2 index S get sf div put}if put /ctr ctr 1 add N} B /I{cc 1 add D}B /bop{userdict /bop-hook known{bop-hook}if /SI save N @rigin 0 0 moveto /V matrix currentmatrix dup 1 get dup mul exch 0 get dup mul add 99 lt{/QV}{/RV}ifelse load def pop pop}N /eop{SI restore showpage userdict /eop-hook known{eop-hook}if}N /@start{userdict /start-hook known{start-hook} if pop /VResolution X /Resolution X 1000 div /DVImag X /IE 256 array N 0 1 255 {IE S 1 string dup 0 3 index put cvn put}for 65781.76 div /vsize X 65781.76 div /hsize X}N /p{show}N /RMat[1 0 0 -1 0 0]N /BDot 260 string N /rulex 0 N /ruley 0 N /v{/ruley X /rulex X V}B /V{}B /RV statusdict begin /product where{ pop product dup length 7 ge{0 7 getinterval dup(Display)eq exch 0 4 getinterval(NeXT)eq or}{pop false}ifelse}{false}ifelse end{{gsave TR -.1 -.1 TR 1 1 scale rulex ruley false RMat{BDot}imagemask grestore}}{{gsave TR -.1 -.1 TR rulex ruley scale 1 1 false RMat{BDot}imagemask grestore}}ifelse B /QV{ gsave transform round exch round exch itransform moveto rulex 0 rlineto 0 ruley neg rlineto rulex neg 0 rlineto fill grestore}B /a{moveto}B /delta 0 N /tail{dup /delta X 0 rmoveto}B /M{S p delta add tail}B /b{S p tail}B /c{-4 M} B /d{-3 M}B /e{-2 M}B /f{-1 M}B /g{0 M}B /h{1 M}B /i{2 M}B /j{3 M}B /k{4 M}B /w{0 rmoveto}B /l{p -4 w}B /m{p -3 w}B /n{p -2 w}B /o{p -1 w}B /q{p 1 w}B /r{ p 2 w}B /s{p 3 w}B /t{p 4 w}B /x{0 S rmoveto}B /y{3 2 roll p a}B /bos{/SS save N}B /eos{SS restore}B end %%EndProcSet %%BeginProcSet: texps.pro TeXDict begin /rf{findfont dup length 1 add dict begin{1 index /FID ne 2 index /UniqueID ne and{def}{pop pop}ifelse}forall[1 index 0 6 -1 roll exec 0 exch 5 -1 roll VResolution Resolution div mul neg 0 0]/Metrics exch def dict begin Encoding{exch dup type /integertype ne{pop pop 1 sub dup 0 le{pop}{[}ifelse}{ FontMatrix 0 get div Metrics 0 get div def}ifelse}forall Metrics /Metrics currentdict end def[2 index currentdict end definefont 3 -1 roll makefont /setfont load]cvx def}def /ObliqueSlant{dup sin S cos div neg}B /SlantFont{4 index mul add}def /ExtendFont{3 -1 roll mul exch}def /ReEncodeFont{/Encoding exch def}def end %%EndProcSet TeXDict begin 40258431 52099146 1200 400 400 (/me/snd/tlm/CV.dvi) @start /Fa 137[40 44 27 31 35 44 44 40 44 66 22 2[22 2[27 35 44 35 44 40 11[58 2[58 1[49 2[75 3[31 5[58 1[58 65[{}25 80.000000 /Times-Bold rf /Fb 134[29 5[26 3[33 33 1[18 2[18 33 1[18 2[29 1[33 16[41 14[41 65[{}12 66.666672 /Times-Italic rf /Fc 69[29 11[37 3[29 47[29 33 33 1[33 33 18 26 22 1[33 33 33 52 18 33 1[18 33 33 22 29 33 29 33 29 9[63 48 1[41 37 44 1[37 48 1[59 41 48 26 22 48 48 37 41 48 44 44 48 6[18 11[17 22 17 2[22 22 22 39[{}53 66.666672 /Times-Roman rf end %%EndProlog %%BeginSetup %%Feature: *Resolution 400dpi TeXDict begin %%EndSetup %%Page: 5 1 5 0 bop 233 66 a Fc(T)-5 b(.)11 b(L.)h(Marchioro)j %%Trailer end %%EOF After quitting Preview, open a Terminal window and hit command-t to get the font thing. Select Ohlfs/Medium/18---you will probably see Times Bold instead. Use `Set' and try to use the terminal window; it is using Times-Bold but at Ohlfs spacing. Sizes of 24 and larger are fine. I've performed numerous experiments, and I think that it is the low UniqueID value in Ohlfs that is causing the problem. This is strictly a guess, but it is upheld by experimentation---the interpreter appears to assign an `arbitrary' UniqueID value to fonts that don't have a UniqueID value, and this value is 0 for the first such font, one for the next, etc. Thus, Ohlfs, with a UniqueID of 2, is conflicting with the third such defined font in the system, and the cache gets seriously confused. Changing the UniqueID value in Ohlfs to 3 changes this to the fourth such font, and etc. ============================= So there is a demonstration. The trick is to patch the file /NextLibrary/Fonts/Ohlfs.font/Ohlfs with the one below, which is embedded in a message also containing some more useful info: ============================== Here's a patched Ohlfs that appears to solve both problems, although I still claim it's a bug somewhere, probably in the NeXT interpreter. Specifically, page 17 of the Black book says `The UniqueID is specified with the entry name UniqueID both in the font dictionary and in the Private dictionary. ... If the UniqueID values are not present in both the font dictionary and Private dictionary, or if they have different values, then the font program is treated by the interpreter as if it had no UniqueID at all; caching will then be efficient for the immediate job, but the interpreter will not cache bitmaps for that font across jobs.' So there is no getting around it; the NeXT is broken, because it is not behaving according to the above spec. (Or perhaps the spec is broken.) Because the top-level UniqueID value appears to be used, no matter what, even if it is different from the Private UniqueID. In addition, fonts with no UniqueID are not treated correctly as `lacking' a UniqueID. Anyway, here is the file; install it in /NextLibrary/Fonts/Ohlfs.font/Ohlfs and run and let me know of *any* problems; thanks! (Note that I've used a value in the 4 million range (derived from a random number), which is legitimate for a `controlled environment' as defined in page 18-19 of the Black Book. %!PS-AdobeFont-1.0: Ohlfs 001.005 %%CreationDate: Fri Apr 29 00:55:51 PDT 1988 /Courier findfont dup length 1 add dict /keithdict exch def { % Is it the FontName entry? 1 index /FontName eq { % For the old FontName, substitute the string 'Ohlfs' pop pop keithdict /FontName /Ohlfs put } { % Is it the FID entry? 1 index dup /FID ne exch /UniqueID ne and {keithdict 3 1 roll put} {pop pop} ifelse } ifelse } forall keithdict /UniqueID 4624113 put /Ohlfs keithdict definefont pop ================================== Okay, hope that solves the problems of the original poster, as well as anyone else who runs up against this. By the way, this font has nothing to do with NeXT-TeX per se, it's just that if you are using lots of PS fonts you are more likely to encounter the problem, and because I and a few other people use PS Type 1 TeX fonts, and there are so many fonts in the average TeX document, we tend to run into troubles, but NONE(!!) since doing the patch above. Hope this is helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: basil@japonica.cs.odu.edu (-{Pygmy Cats beware}-) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS on Alpha PCs. Date: 12 Aug 1993 15:38:11 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va Message-ID: <24do53$13s@xanth.cs.odu.edu> Has anyone researched/completed an installation of NeXTStep on DEC's Alpha PC? Also, how does one set a dialup line to 8n1, instead of 7e1? basil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Steve's "Welcome" message (Was Re: Cracked) Message-ID: <1993Aug12.160330.7411@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CBMrFq.JJ7@news.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 16:03:30 GMT Tom Marchioro writes > [proposed punishments for Crackstep jerks] > > 8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT > > World" message, at full volume, through headphones. > > No no, I **definitely** that belongs in the top three. . . . > the first thing I do whenever creating new accounts is to go and > delete that message before the user has a chance to play it (and > I have a chance to overhear it :) Oh, I dunno. It was cheesy and really annoying after the second time you heard it, but it just blows people away. I often give people in my department accounts on my machine so that they can come in and check their email (rather than using some lousy terminal app on a PS/2) when I'm not using it. And of course the first piece of mail they would get would be from Steve :-). Just blew them away. Better than my spending hours explaining the wonders of NeXTSTEP. Which is why I was sad to see it no longer appears under 3.2 (there's a message, but no voice). Presumably that's because Intel systems don't have the DSP. Is there any way to hack things so that the voice attachment re-appears? Or more generally to generate a customized `first mail message'? -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: glasgow@nic.cerf.net (Michael Glasgow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting Next sound files. Date: 12 Aug 1993 16:20:23 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Message-ID: <24dqk7$nr7@news.cerf.net> Are there any programms to convert next sound files to other formats, mainly to Mac format? I have found a package called sox that converts to several formats, but next is not one of them. Michael Glasgow glasgow@cerf.net
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Date: 12 Aug 1993 16:21:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <24dqmh$5r4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> In article <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jashley@cs.indiana.edu (J. Michael Ashley) writes: > I'm trying to produce a postscript file from a diagram I have. I've > tried saving it as EPS and clicking the 'save' button on the Print > panel. In both cases, I can't get the resulting file to print on a > non-NeXT printer. I've tried a DEC printer and a HP Laserjet III. > I have solved a problem like that in the past by appending a "showpage" to the eps file. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- eps file. An
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: fsp Message-ID: <1993Aug12.115818.6440@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: 12 Aug 93 11:58:18 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Hello, Does anyone have fsp running on a NeXT? Is it worth the trouble? Why is it better than at + ftp + .netrc? Thanks, -- kc
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1313@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Aug 93 17:19:25 GMT References: <1993Aug8.161221.17877@splunge.uucp> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Royce Howland writes > Glenn, what are the chances that you will start competing more > directly with FrameMaker? I'll be ordering PasteUp, since you're > right that $199 is a price that I can't possibly pass on. However, > like the above poster, some elements of FrameMaker's feature set > are highly desirable (auto-numbering, cross-references, tables, > index, table of contents, etc.). I realize, however, that they > may involve taking PasteUp in a direction you don't want to go. Well, auto-numbering is easy enough and is in the plan for the future. cross-referencing, indexing, and table of contents are a little harder, but we do plan to implement them at some point in the not-too-distant future. We probably won't tackle table editors and equation editors any time soon. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1314@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Aug 93 17:19:56 GMT References: <1993Aug9.163232.24428@trilithon.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Henry McGilton writes > J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes > * > * I would love to see a DTP program that could at least read Frame, > * Pagemaker, Quark, WordPerfect (any version) and MS Word 4.x and 5.x > * documents completely (save Quicktime insertions) and reliably. > > And, as John Bartley pointed out so well, it should sell for under > ninety-nine dollars. Oh, and it absolutely must support the %%Baseline > feature, otherwise it's a dead loss. Heh heh. I don't know, Henry. I can see reading/writing Quark files, Frame files, and PageMaker files for $99, but %%Baseline? That drives the price up to at least $699. That's an advanced feature that would only be used by sophisticated users. Maybe there should be a "Professional" version that supported %%Baseline and also set up UUCP and SLIP connections for you. In fact, it ought to have the feature set of Newsgrazer in there as well. Since Newsgrazer is freely available, knocking off those features should be easy, and I woudn't want to purchase a Professional version of a product that didn't *at least* support that simple level of functionality. Oh, and it would be cool if it understood my Simon Says macros and could generate reports with RenderMan shading, too. :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1315@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Aug 93 17:20:23 GMT References: <1993Aug10.161448.23502@altsys.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Lorin Rivers III writes > Virtuoso reads and writes Virtuoso for NEXSTEP and Solaris, FreeHand > 3.X for Macintosh and Windows and Adobe Illustrator 3.X for all > platforms as well as reads previuos versions of Illustrator. We > believe in allowing people to retain their ``legacy'' files as well as > allowing maximum interopabilty with clients who do not have > cutting-edge software like NEXTSTEP. Besides, we want people choosing > Virtuoso because it's great, not because they are forced to. So Virtuoso reads its own files and Illustrator files. Illustrator files are ASCII, very easily parsed, and the format is public and well-documented. The feature set of Illustrator and Virtuoso overlap to a large degree, so editing Illustrator files is pretty easy. This is not to trivialize the fact that you can read them, but it is only a drop in the bucket. What about single-page Quark files? What about FrameMaker files? What about Corel Draw, Arts & Letters, and other apps with which you directly compete? What about Appsoft Draw, Stone Design's Create? What about PasteUp files? Most file formats are difficult or impossible to support, either because they're binary and not documented (Quark) or because the feature set is different enough from your own app that you'd have to throw away most of the interesting stuff (for example, if you imported Frame files, what would you do with multiple pages, master items, page numbers, cross- references, markers, anchored frames, etc? Supporting one other vendor's file format isn't that spectacular, especially since you needed to do it to compete with Illustrator way back when Freehand was just getting a toehold. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Driver list for NS/FIP 3.1? Message-ID: <24dugp$84a@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 12 Aug 93 17:26:49 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.24dugp$84a References: <jhough.745101238@qualcom> Organization: University of Oregon Network Services In article <jhough.745101238@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: > Currently I have a Diamond Stealth 24, which is based on the S3 chip. I found all this out the hard way. I have a LocalBus S3 with the 911 chipset. You _must_ have the 805 chipset (the officially supported S3 chip), or the 928 chipset. -jason ___________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Message-ID: <1318@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Aug 93 17:51:45 GMT References: <24b55i$n0c@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Gary Chang writes > Umm... yes, that happened to me too. I was able to print the EPS > file produced by Diagram!2; However, ONLY those little fancy icons I > inserted as images associated with graph objects went blank when the > document was printed in a Non-NeXT PS printer, the rest of the diagram > look Okay. This probably means that they were color icons which get printed with the "colorimage" PostScript operator, which is a fairly new addition to the PostScript language and not available in all printers. NeXT printers support it, and PS Level II printers support it (and certainly any color PostScript printers) but not older printers. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sladen@marlin.nosc.mil Subject: Re: Steve's "Welcome" message (Was Re: Cracked) Message-ID: <CBnpo7.F54@inrird.com> Sender: news@inrird.com Organization: INRI Research & Development References: <1993Aug12.160330.7411@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 17:24:06 GMT In article <1993Aug12.160330.7411@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Tom Marchioro writes > > [proposed punishments for Crackstep jerks] > > > 8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT > > > World" message, at full volume, through headphones. > > > > No no, I **definitely** that belongs in the top three. . . . > > the first thing I do whenever creating new accounts is to go and > > delete that message before the user has a chance to play it (and > > I have a chance to overhear it :) > [snip] > > Which is why I was sad to see it no longer appears under 3.2 (there's > a message, but no voice). Presumably that's because Intel systems > don't have the DSP. Is there any way to hack things so that the > voice attachment re-appears? Or more generally to generate a > customized `first mail message'? [snip] I agree with Tom: It is one of the top 3! Regardless of what SJ says in the message, the voice really eats up the disk space when you are adding many users to a system, and many new users do not know to use the Compress option to free up the disk space. I for one am glad to hear it will be gone. Solution to Stefano's question is that you can set up initial mail to the user by making a mailbox with the appropriate mail and replacing /usr/template/usr/Mailboxes/Active.mbox with it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Eric Noyau <e_noyau@cubx.com> Subject: Re: Recycler dock location Message-ID: <1993Aug12.122838.248@pelane.cubx.com> Sender: noyau@pelane.cubx.com Organization: Cub'x systemes References: <1993Aug7.172116.8341@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 12:28:38 GMT John Bartley writes > Out of curiosity, where do most NS users position their recycler in the > dock? [...] > My recicler is not in the dock... It's at the bottom left corner of the screen. [To put it here, control-drag it out of the dock, logout and login.] Eric -- % e_noyau@cubx.com (Eric Noyau) Small NeXTMail ok % /d{def}def/i{add d}d/Z{rand 2147483647 div mul d}d 99 -2 9{-1 1/X 500 Z/Y 700 Z/C .3 Z{C setgray/r exch d X Y r 0 360 arc fill/X X .5 i/Y Y .6 i/C C 1 C sub r div i}for}for showpage % Be carefull ! I'm a .signature virus...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1313@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 18:34:40 GMT Glenn Reid writes > Royce Howland writes > > Glenn, what are the chances that you will start competing more > > directly with FrameMaker? > > Well, auto-numbering is easy enough and is in the plan for the > future. cross-referencing, indexing, and table of contents are > a little harder, but we do plan to implement them at some point > in the not-too-distant future. We probably won't tackle table > editors and equation editors any time soon. Frankly, I don't think you need to. I used to bitch about WP not having an equation editor. Then EquationBuilder came along, and it is so much better than the piddly-wink equation editor Wp includes with their releases on other platforms that I'd use EqB even if WP had an equation editor. Ditto with tables. I'd much rather do them in a spreadsheet (which is where the data are likely to originate, anyway) and paste or (even better) link them in than use a half-ass bundled table editor like the atrocious one in WP/DOS and WP/Windows. A while back you were arguing for a collection of specialized tools rather than a do-it-all app. You were right then; stick with that. This does, mean, however, that you have to be very welcoming to receiving such inserts from other sources. In the case of equations, for example, you need baseline support. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: ray@mayo.edu (Ray Ghanbari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Steve's "Welcome" message (Was Re: Cracked) Date: 12 Aug 1993 19:26:39 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <24e5hf$706@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <CBnpo7.F54@inrird.com> In article <CBnpo7.F54@inrird.com> sladen@marlin.nosc.mil writes: [chomp] > > Solution to Stefano's question is that you can set up initial mail to the > user by making a mailbox with the appropriate mail and replacing > /usr/template/usr/Mailboxes/Active.mbox with it. As a more general solution, I created a symbolic link from /usr/template/usr to the home direcotry of a user called proto. By logging in as user proto, I can then set all the appropriate preferences for user proto (nntp server for NewGrazer, etc...), as well as set up a reasonable Dock, and a well populated shelf (/LocalApps, etc.). This lets all new users start life a little ahead of the game, and make sys admin a little less painful. Ray Ghanbari Mayo Foundation ray@mayo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1993Aug12.185312.3153@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1314@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 18:53:12 GMT In article <1314@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > Henry McGilton writes > > J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes > > * > > * I would love to see a DTP program that could at least read Frame, > > * Pagemaker, Quark, WordPerfect (any version) and MS Word 4.x and 5.x > > * documents completely (save Quicktime insertions) and reliably. > > > > And, as John Bartley pointed out so well, it should sell for under > > ninety-nine dollars. Oh, and it absolutely must support the %%Baseline > > feature, otherwise it's a dead loss. > > Heh heh. > > I don't know, Henry. I can see reading/writing Quark files, Frame files, > and PageMaker files for $99, but %%Baseline? That drives the price up to > at least $699. That's an advanced feature that would only be used > by sophisticated users. Maybe there should be a "Professional" version > that supported %%Baseline and also set up UUCP and SLIP connections for > you. In fact, it ought to have the feature set of Newsgrazer in there > as well. Since Newsgrazer is freely available, knocking off those features > should be easy, and I woudn't want to purchase a Professional version of > a product that didn't *at least* support that simple level of functionality. > > Oh, and it would be cool if it understood my Simon Says macros and could > generate reports with RenderMan shading, too. > > :-) > > -- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 I think that the problem here is with _reliability_. I believe that RightBrain should follow in the path of Microsoft here - the 1.0 release provides the features and the 1.1->1.x releases should provide reliability (for an upgrade price, of course) :-) :-) -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Date: 12 Aug 1993 20:03:53 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <24e7n9$fq1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Glenn Reid writes > > Royce Howland writes > > > Glenn, what are the chances that you will start competing more > > > directly with FrameMaker? > > > > Well, auto-numbering is easy enough and is in the plan for the > > future. cross-referencing, indexing, and table of contents are > > a little harder, but we do plan to implement them at some point > > in the not-too-distant future. We probably won't tackle table > > editors and equation editors any time soon. > > Frankly, I don't think you need to. I used to bitch about WP not > having an equation editor. Then EquationBuilder came along, and it > is so much better than the piddly-wink equation editor Wp includes > with their releases on other platforms that I'd use EqB even if WP > had an equation editor. Ditto with tables. I'd much rather do them > in a spreadsheet (which is where the data are likely to originate, > anyway) and paste or (even better) link them in than use a half-ass > bundled table editor like the atrocious one in WP/DOS and WP/Windows. > > A while back you were arguing for a collection of specialized tools > rather than a do-it-all app. You were right then; stick with that. > > This does, mean, however, that you have to be very welcoming to > receiving such inserts from other sources. In the case of equations, > for example, you need baseline support. > > Stefano Pagiola Not having used EquationBuilder in conjunction with PasteUp (I've only demo'ed EqB), I speak partly in ignorance; nonetheless I disagree with your statement. My experience is that equations are difficult to get right the first time. It seems that the process of launching EqB, editing the equation, saving, going to PasteUp (or whatever), and updating the link to display the current version of the equation would be more of hassle than, say, editing the equation natively within the word processor (e.g. Frame). I also disagree partly with the notion of importing tables from a Spreadsheet. For tables of numbers this is fine. However, there are times when I desire a table of things that don't fall naturally into (what I perceive as) the spreadsheets domain: tables composed of text & equations. Indeed, creating a table of text and equations created with EqB could be challenging. And of course, with the importing of graphics as equations, it is doubly important to allow auto-numbering of graphics to provide for equation numbering. Then again, I could be completely off base and it reallsy is simple. Correct me if I am wrong. -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Je chante bien, tres bien, merci beaucoup, a la garcon. I don't know the language, but I got the accent down" -- John Austin (& and the Embarrassing Young)
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Date: 12 Aug 1993 20:15:22 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <24e8cq$kbo@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <1993Aug11.182412.7879@afs.com> <CBMrFq.JJ7@news.iastate.edu> > []In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov > (Tom > []Marchioro) writes: > []| So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what > []| "further actions" should be taken :) > []| > > <parts of list trimmed> > NUMBER ONE: #1 Forced to program in C++ for 5 minutes. Any longer is forbidden by the Geneva Convention and Amnesty International. -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Date: 12 Aug 1993 20:48:44 GMT Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Message-ID: <24eabc$43p@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <1993Aug9.163232.24428@trilithon.com> <1314@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Obviously, one could build a stand-alone application to translate one file format into another. I'd pay $150-$200 for a good app that has a reasonably comprehensive set of *good* translation (RTF, WordPerfect, Word, FrameMaker, PageMaker, PasteUp). I bet it's not high enough a price to turn a profit on NeXT, but it might be worthwhile on MS Windows. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steveh@rtsg.mot.com (Steve M. Hoffman) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug12.195641.27197@rtsg.mot.com> Sender: news@rtsg.mot.com Organization: Motorola Inc., International Cellular Subscriber Group, GSM. References: <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> <1993Aug11.182412.7879@afs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 19:56:41 GMT In article <1993Aug11.182412.7879@afs.com> jon@afs.com writes: >In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom >Marchioro) writes: >| So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what >| "further actions" should be taken :) >| >| I'll start with #10: >| >| 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting >| his "memoirs" to ghost writer. > >How about: >9) Forced to listen to 24 hours of binaurally recorded modem noise at excessive >volume, through headphones. > >8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT World" message, >at full volume, through headphones. > >7) An all expense paid trip to Maryland for an extensive team lecture by >Acquiesence and Yamanari, on a topic of their choice. :) Along the same lines: 6) Forced to listen to at least 100 hours of the Homer "Doe!" sound file [removed in 3.1 8^( ] at full volume, through headphones. -- Steve Hoffman <steveh@eurpd.csg.mot.com> Motorola Inc. Libertyville, IL All opinions are my own. Big corporations have none.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Non-US pricing for NS (Canada) Message-ID: <1993Aug12.051840.16284@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Aug11.044257.14608@imani.cam.org> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 05:18:40 GMT In article <1993Aug11.044257.14608@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Hey folks! Hey again! Guess this is a summary... For those interested, the fees are of 35$US for User, and 15$ for dev shipping by FedEx. I even got mention of free regular snail shipping. Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New ROM's for SupraFaxModem shipping (caller ID) Date: 12 Aug 1993 21:12:49 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <24eboh$l60@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I just found out that Supra is shipping a new version of it's ROM's, which provide users with CallerID (assuming someone writes the approprate software under NEXTSTEP to use CallerID). Here is the info: ROM version 1.80-02 has the following improvements over prior versions: * Enhanced performance over impaired lines -- especially at high speeds * New mode for Silent Answer allowing voice/fax detection with all applications that ship with the bundled packages -- FaxSTF, WinFax, FaxTalk (Class 1), and GPFax (v.32 & v.32bis only) * Improved busy detect capabilities -- eliminating false/no busy detection * Improved data Fallback/Fallforward and negotiation * Improved negotiation at page breaks when faxing * Special S Registers added to allow customization of busy signl timing * Improved fax signal and CNG tone detection in Silent Answer mode * Caller ID I believe that the upgrade price is $19.95, and can be ordered via the Supra BBS at 1-503-967-2444. The VoiceMail ROM's are upcoming, I was told, so if you want to hold out for that, then now is probably not the time to order (i.e.you may have to pay extra for voice mail when it comes out). Eric (Not a supra employee, just a happy customer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug12.211904.18401@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <24e7n9$fq1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 21:19:04 GMT David J. Fischer writes > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > ... I used to bitch about WP not > > having an equation editor. Then EquationBuilder came along, and > > it is so much better than the piddly-wink equation editor WP > > includes with their releases on other platforms that I'd use EqB > > even if WP had an equation editor. Ditto with tables. I'd much > > rather do them in a spreadsheet (which is where the data are > > likely to originate, anyway) and paste or (even better) link them > > in than use a half-ass bundled table editor like the atrocious > > one in WP/DOS and WP/Windows. > > Not having used EquationBuilder in conjunction with > PasteUp (I've only demo'ed EqB), I speak partly in ignorance; > nonetheless I disagree with your statement. My experience is that > equations are difficult to get right the first time. It seems > that the process of launching EqB, editing the equation, saving, > going to PasteUp (or whatever), and updating the link to display > the current version of the equation would be more of hassle than, > say, editing the equation natively within the word processor > (e.g. Frame). If we were using Windoze, I'd agree with you. On a real, solid multi-tasking system like NeXT's though, this has never been a problem for me. I simply keep both EqB and whatever word processor I'm using (and a couple of drawing apps, and ...) all open. Switching from one to the other is a mere mouse click. In fact, having used WP's equation editor heavily under DOS before switching to NeXT, I find the switch from WP to EqB and back much easier and faster than entering WP's own equation editor. Certainly it requires less key/mouse strokes. Plus I then have the advantage that I can have both on-screen at once, so that I can refer back and forth and (for example) look at other equations in the same document. With the embedded equation editor approach, one is often unable to access the rest of the document while working in the equation editor (although this need not be the case with a well-designed app). > I also disagree partly with the notion of importing tables > from a Spreadsheet. For tables of numbers this is fine. > However, there are times when I desire a table of things that > don't fall naturally into (what I perceive as) the spreadsheets > domain: tables composed of text & equations. Indeed, creating a > table of text and equations created with EqB could be challenging. Agreed. But there are tools for making such tables. I don't have it, but expect that Concurrence would be good at it. Any drawing app should do a pretty good job too, in cases that involve mixing graphic images such as equations and text. And if such a tool doesn't exist, I hope someone will write one. But it need not be part of a word processing app. > And of course, with the importing of graphics as equations, > it is doubly important to allow auto-numbering of graphics > to provide for equation numbering. Here I definitely agree 100%. Which brings me back to my point: the document creation app should provide the framework that lets me integrate, easily and smoothly, all the separate pieces that need to come together. It need not help me actually _create_ those pieces. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: 3.1 and loginwindow ImageFile? BOINK! Message-ID: <1993Aug12.211258.336@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 21:12:58 GMT Well, not really, but as you might know, Scientific Progress goes BOINK! Or, to be more precise: does anybody have a NS 3.1 version of the Calvin & Hobbes loginwindow tiff? --- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland". -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <1993Aug12.203305.16358@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <18918@news.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:33:05 GMT In article <18918@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: > Brian writes > > It works just fine. We tried it once with the B&W Megapixel and two > > dimensions. Its REALLY cool... > > > > There shouldn't be any temperature effects, either, although I am not to be > > held responsible for your cube catching fire. I have been running my cube > with > > 4 boards (not all dimensions, though) in it for about 6 months, without a > > problem. > > I'm curious--what does having >1 board (Dimension or otherwise) in a Cube do > for you? What are the advantages and disadvantages? > For me, it's the obvious - more screen real estate. You can never have too much of that... That's probably the one major thing I want under NSFIP; multi head support. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug12.203803.16652@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:38:03 GMT In article <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > This does, mean, however, that you have to be very welcoming to > receiving such inserts from other sources. In the case of equations, > for example, you need baseline support. > Well, PasteUp *does* have baseline support. You can drag-and-drop eqn files into a PasteUp doc. Can't get much more supportive than that. Now, if there were the table maker equivalent of EquationBuilder... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug12.210627.14663@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <24e8cq$kbo@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 21:06:27 GMT Fernando Mato Mira writes > >NUMBER ONE: > >#1 Forced to program in C++ for 5 minutes. > >Any longer is forbidden by the Geneva Convention and Amnesty International. > But in order to program C++ for 5 minutes, you must have spent three weeks slogging through Stroustroup's book. I believe Saddam might have found this a useful torture. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A new alias for suggestions for the New Mesa Date: 12 Aug 1993 21:27:36 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <24eck9$4j8@hermes.athena.com> Athena Design is starting the first major revision of Mesa. Mesa version 2 (M2) will be the most powerful spreadsheet in the world and will have a series of slick features that will make building and maintaining models easier. We'd like to get all kinds of ideas about where to take Mesa and have created an alias to receive suggestions. The alias is m2@athena.com. Please send mail with ideas and suggestions. We will NOT respond to these, but they will be read and considered. We will ask people with especially cool ideas to help beta-test Mesa2. We will also give out prizes (like t-shirts, etc.) to people with interesting ideas. Mesa version 2 should be out around Expo '94 and will be a free upgrade to all Mesa 1.4 and Mesa 1.5 users. Thanks and we look forward to getting the cool suggestions. David & the Mesa Team P.S. Just as a note, we do not want the suggestion "Clone Excel". If there is a specific feature in Excel that you like, tell us about it. Mesa2 will not be simply a clone of Excel or any other product, but will take the best ideas from the current best spreadsheets and roll them into the worlds best spreadsheet.
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A new alias for suggestions for the New Mesa Date: 12 Aug 1993 22:01:08 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <24eej4$4ri@hermes.athena.com> References: <24eck9$4j8@hermes.athena.com> In article <24eck9$4j8@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: > Mesa version 2 should be out around Expo '94 and will be a free upgrade to all > Mesa 1.4 and Mesa 1.5 users. > I should point out the the upgrade will be free to all people who purchased licenses to Mesa 1.4 or Mesa 1.5. Thanks and sorry about any confusion. David
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Info about co-Xist? Date: 12 Aug 1993 23:00:13 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <24ei1t$o54@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <237oj7$dnv@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Keywords: Pencom In article <237oj7$dnv@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) writes: | I'd like to know about the pricing of the various co-Xist | packages for an educational site. I tried to contact Pencom | at co-Xist_support@pencom.com but haven't got any reply so far. | Anybody able to help? | | Thanks in advance. | | Dirk. Their telephone numbers are: (512)343-1111 (voice) (512)343-9650 (fax) -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Date: 12 Aug 1993 23:16:37 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <24ej0l$bc@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <18918@news.duke.edu> In article 18918@news.duke.edu, blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: >I'm curious--what does having >1 board (Dimension or otherwise) in a Cube do >for you? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Screen real-estate. Try it, you'll love it. (I used to have a dual-headed Cube). Nevin
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any competition for Frame? (was: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Date: 12 Aug 93 23:03:30 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jeffo.745196610@uiuc.edu> References: <1993Aug10.161448.23502@altsys.com> <1315@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> I don't know much about Altsys' Freehand, but I figure that if anyone knows about RightBrain's PasteUp, it's Glenn Reid, so I direct my questions mainly toward PasteUp and hope that other developers consider adding competitive formats to their applications. Glenn Reid writes: >What about single-page Quark files? What about FrameMaker files? What >about Corel Draw, Arts & Letters, and other apps with which you directly >compete? What about Appsoft Draw, Stone Design's Create? What about >PasteUp files? As high-quality as these NS apps are within their realms of influence, it seems odd to me that bigger companies would look to support the formats of relatively smaller apps like Appsoft Draw, Stone Design's Create and RightBrain's PasteUp. I think it's much more logical for smaller companies to support the formats of the more widely-used apps. Since Quark was brought up, last I recall, PasteUp was said to compete with Quark yet (last I recall reading) PasteUp didn't read Quark files. Has this changed in later releases? Is there an application to convert Quark files to PasteUp files? Wouldn't it be a great way to woo people over to PasteUp if PasteUp had a filter for reading Quark files? This is a good example of what I was trying to get across with being competitive across platforms. NS has the capability to be a wonderful platform for DTP (sometimes I think it was born for it), but if the NS apps that are available only read their own files (even though they are said to compete with products on other platforms) what incentive is there to switch to NS? Perhaps the current users have not expressed interest in converting their work to PasteUp format because the people who were interested (up until they heard it wouldn't read some other format files) all stopped considering PasteUp? >Most file formats are difficult or impossible to support, either >because they're binary and not documented (Quark) Can Quark's file formats be (purchased, leased, reverse-engineered, whatever is legal) for use in PasteUp like WordPerfect formats are in MSWord or vice versa? Perhaps there is a happy-medium format both Quark and PasteUp could read? I realize it probably costs a lot of money to do this, if it's even possible to purchase it somehow, but I'll take a guess that there's already something that's costing RightBrain quite a bit of money; lack of sales. >or because the feature set is different enough from your own app that >you'd have to throw away most of the interesting stuff >[excellent example with Frame removed for brevity] Why not add this functionality to PasteUp? PasteUp seems to me to be in a great position right now since it's advertised frequently, actively supported and the folks who made it are available on various networks (a lot of people can get e-mail to the Internet) and the price is better than other NS DTP apps (former or present). Why not take advantage of this lack of competition to make PasteUp cover the bases formerly covered by Frame, thus giving people who used Frame/NS a reason to stick with NS? >Supporting one other vendor's file format isn't that spectacular [..] It seems better to me than supporting only your own proprietary format.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tyler@vanguard.com (Tyler Gingrich) Subject: Dos, Windows, OS/2, and NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Aug12.231725.1655@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 23:17:25 GMT Here is a set of steps (a real kabooki-dance if you ask me) that will allow you to have dos, windows, os/2, and NeXTSTEP on 1 machine using 4+1 partitions on the hard disk. Thanks for this technique go to Richard Low of the Duke University Medical Center (low00001@bullnext.mc.duke.edu). The 486 system is a Dell machine with a 700Mb SCSI drive so the partition sizes are not absolute -- vary them according to your needs..... Tyler Gingrich Vanguard Software PS: I have an RTF version of this document. If you need it, email me at tyler@il.us.swissbank.com. DISCLAIMER: These are my opinions, not those of Swiss Bank or Vanguard Software. ------ CUT HERE --------- Notes on installing DOS, OS/2, and NEXTSTEP for dual boot - Boot OS/2 from diskette and press Escape to get to the [A:] command prompt - Run the OS/2 FDISK program and create the following partitions: 1 MB Boot Manager 20MB DOS Primary partition (drive C:) 64MB OS/2 Extended partition (logical drive D:) 120MB Data Extended partition (logical drive E:) ** Leave the remaining 460+MB free space unformatted ** ** DO NOT create a partition for the remaining space ** - Re-boot the machine and boot DOS from diskette. - Format drive C: and install DOS on drive C: with the following command: format c: /s /u - Now Re-boot the machine with the OS/2 Installation diskette. - Install OS/2 on Drive D: (the 64 MB logical partition) You will be prompted to install OS/2 on the default drive C: You will need to select the option to change the drive which will throw you into FDISK. Just make drive D: installable and proceed. - After OS/2 has been installed shutdown the system. Do a cold power off boot. - Cold boot the machine with the NEXTSTEP boot diskette. - Proceed with normal NEXTSTEP install and you should get the following disk installation option screen: Type 1 to erase the entire disk and use all 667 MB for NEXTSTEP. Type 2 to set aside some space for DOS and use the rest for NEXTSTEP. Type 3 to keep existing partitions and use the 462 MB free space for NEXTSTEP. Type 4 to use the 184 MB DOS extended partition for NEXTSTEP. Type 5 for advanced options (in English only). ---> Choose option number 3 and proceed with the NEXTSTEP install - After NEXTSTEP has been installed, re-boot the machine and select 'd' from the NEXTSTEP boot manager menu to boot DOS. - When DOS has booted, run the FDISK program to set the active partition to the first partition, the BOOT Manager partition. Then exit fdisk. - Now run the DOS FDISK program again but with the following parameter: fdisk /mbr This command removes the NEXTSTEP boot manager from the DOS partition. - Now re-boot the machine and the boot manager should come up. Select OS/2 - Once OS/2 has booted, run the OS/2 FDISK program and name the NEXTSTEP partition and add it to the boot manager menu. - You should now have a machine with DOS, NEXTSTEP, OS/2 listed in the boot manager menu when the machine starts up. The boot manager defaults to the OS that was last booted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: ISODE 8 on a NeXT 3.1 black Message-ID: <scott.745173854@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 16:44:14 GMT Can someone who has successfully compiled ISODE 8 and PP on NeXTSTEP 3.1 on black please contact me? I'm lost! Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Catchy quote."
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TRN3.1 (Try cancelling an article) Date: 12 Aug 1993 22:44:00 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <24edj0$5if@steffi.demon.co.uk> If you are using trn3.1 trying cancelling one of your articles. I tried when I installed and I couldn't. I had to explicitly change a `hostname`.UUCP reference to `hostname`.`domainname` in a few of the files even though I specified my hostname correctly in ./Configure Command substitute the above to get what I mean.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steve@eps.netcom.com (Steven Kornreich) Subject: FTP / SLIP performance Message-ID: <netnewsCBoD4K.z2@netcom.com> Sender: netnews@netcom.com (USENET Administration) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 01:50:42 GMT Is ftp under a slip connection faster than receiving files via lets say zmodem. -steve
From: bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to add a 2.88 floppy drive to a Cube? Date: 13 Aug 1993 02:28:48 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: na Message-ID: <24eu90$pvb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I have an 25 mHz 68040 Cube with an optical drive. I am tired of borrowing people's NeXT Station to load software from floppies and am thinking of adding an 2.88 floppy drive to my Cube. I remember that there were some discussion on this subject in the past. People mentioned that you can get a Teac 2.88 drive and hook up the ribbon connector to the slot on the motherboard inside the Cube. Someone also mentioned that the drive should have the auto-eject capability. I am looking for more specific details from anybody who has actually did the installation. For example, which company, specific model #, any caveat during installation, etc.? Are the PC mail order places listed in computer shopper OK? Do I have to specifically ask for the ribbon connector? Is there more than one type of ribbon connector? Any way, thanks for your help in advance. Best regards, Benson M. Wu bmwu@athena.mit.edu
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Date: 13 Aug 1993 03:07:09 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <24f0gt$dct@tamsun.tamu.edu> I don't really have anything to add to this thread, except to say that it just struck me that Glenn is getting quite a bit of mileage out of this subject line ;) Pointer to those who might be considering acquiring PasteUp this month: learn from my mistake and be sure to specify whether you want a Motorola or an Intel binary. It never even occurred to me to ask. I guess I was just assuming it would be MAB. Diana P.S. to Glenn: have an opening for a proofreader? ;)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Does NeXTStep Really Need 400 MB Free? Message-ID: <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 03:36:23 GMT A friend of mine told me that NeXTStep for Intel wants/needs 400 MB of disk space. He has an ALR Pentium machine and has already installed DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, OS/2 2.1, and Windows NT (not sure of the version) on it, for evaluation purposes. I jokingly suggested he also put NeXTSTep on it, and he said one of his associates told him it wants to see 16 MB of RAM (no big deal these days) and 400 MB of free disk space (an enormous amount of free disk space). I find this hard to believe and promised him I'd consult the wisdom of the Net. Well, any wisdom? -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:47:17 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-120893204717@17.220.88.2> References: <247n3e$ivj@indigo.imp.ch> <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu>, tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) wrote: > Thank you for this reassuring piece of news. Let's hope others > contemplating such actions see what comes from it. > > So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what > "further actions" should be taken :) > > I'll start with #10: > > 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting > his "memoirs" to ghost writer. > #3.1) Hand the perpetrator(s) a shovel and have them follow behind Bill Gates to clean up after his press announcements. (NT will be the most popular form of UNIX! Indeed!) -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Date: 12 Aug 1993 23:15:55 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <24eivb$li@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Aug12.211904.18401@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Aug12.211904.18401@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > David J. Fischer writes > > Not having used EquationBuilder in conjunction with > > PasteUp (I've only demo'ed EqB), I speak partly in ignorance; > > nonetheless I disagree with your statement. My experience is that > > equations are difficult to get right the first time. It seems > > that the process of launching EqB, editing the equation, saving, > > going to PasteUp (or whatever), and updating the link to display > > the current version of the equation would be more of hassle than, > > say, editing the equation natively within the word processor > > (e.g. Frame). > > If we were using Windoze, I'd agree with you. On a real, solid > multi-tasking system like NeXT's though, this has never been a > problem for me. I simply keep both EqB and whatever word processor > I'm using (and a couple of drawing apps, and ...) all open. > Switching from one to the other is a mere mouse click. Whoa there! Why do we have an object oriented system? I would like to see a "magic" link to the originating program. For instance I'm using Paste-Up and I want to edit my equation, I Cmd-click the equation and voila I'm in EquationBuilder (or another program the data originates from) and edit the equation. When I'm finished I'm doing a "Save-and-Return" and I'm back in Paste-Up. One could even expand it in such a way that for instance when doing a spell-check for a table Paste-Up askes the orginating program in which the table was made to spell-check the table and return its results to Paste-Up again. (Glenn, can I get paid for this? ;-))) This would mean that finally some advance has been made using objects for inter-operability between apps, and would mean for the future that the notion of apps would dissappear... Which would fulfill S.J.'s dream (I can remember him saying something along these lines in the first article about NeXTSTEP in a Byte in 1988/9)... -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug13.040915.21692@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 04:09:15 GMT In article <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Glenn Reid writes > > Royce Howland writes > > > Glenn, what are the chances that you will start competing more > > > directly with FrameMaker? > > > > Well, auto-numbering is easy enough and is in the plan for the > > future. cross-referencing, indexing, and table of contents are > > a little harder, but we do plan to implement them at some point > > in the not-too-distant future. We probably won't tackle table > > editors and equation editors any time soon. > > Frankly, I don't think you need to. I used to bitch about WP not > having an equation editor. Then EquationBuilder came along, and it > is so much better than the piddly-wink equation editor Wp includes > with their releases on other platforms that I'd use EqB even if WP > had an equation editor. Ditto with tables. I'd much rather do them > in a spreadsheet (which is where the data are likely to originate, > anyway) and paste or (even better) link them in than use a half-ass > bundled table editor like the atrocious one in WP/DOS and WP/Windows. I suppose this is one way to handle "tables" if you don't care about details such as page breaks, images inside cells, data content exceeding 250 characters per cell, ability to define multiple cell formats, define precisely where the data will appear in the cell, etc. If you don't need to worry about how things look or if you don't like the ability to build tables on the fly or have xref's or variables or footnotes or figure numbering then maybe doing them in a spreadsheet will work for you. It won't work for me or others who do "serious" things with tables that need to look good. Everyone loves to put down Frame for their lousy user interface. Obviously these whiners have never had to use Interleaf! :-) FrameMaker may be a little different, but complaining about its appearance in 1993 while comparing it to the latest hot-off-the-press gee-whiz app from a NeXTSTEP-only vendor strikes me as typical Monday-morning quarterbacking. FrameMaker for NeXTSTEP was done a long time ago before everybody got so "smart" about just what NS apps should look and work like. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it's perfect or even close to being a typical NS app. I just don't think the looks matter very much when using the product - the needed functions are there, and are usable, and aren't that much different from other "more pure" apps. I also think that if you go back and look at some of the gems done in 1989 or so by some of the people who post here, you'll find that they had some UI's that they're not proud of when judged in today's world. It will be a sad day for me if Frame does decide not to do an Intel version. For now, I continue to believe them when they say that no decision has been made. John Bartley
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: NEXTSTEP Hard Drive REQUIREMENTS Date: 13 Aug 1993 05:13:16 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <24f7tc$sa2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> In article <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >A friend of mine told me that NeXTStep for Intel wants/needs 400 MB of >disk space. >I find this hard to believe and promised him I'd consult the wisdom of >the Net. Well, any wisdom? >-Tim May My Gosh! This question has been asked about 10562 times. I am cross posting this information in order to avoid future confusion. NEXTSTEP *requires* much less than 400 megs of hard drive space. There are two options, install a user environment, or a user+developer environment. Both environments consist of several packages, some of which are optional: ** INDICATES OPTIONAL PACKAGE User Environment: NEXTSTEP Essentials (47.1 MB required) Languages (choose to install up to 6 languages, only 1 is required, 3 MB/each) **Digital Webster On-Line Dictionary (18.8 MB installed, 16.4 MB compressed) **Literature Package - Shakespeare (43.6 MB installed, 29.9 MB compressed) **Demonstration Applications (3 MB installed, 1.8 MB compressed) **TeX Package (8.1 MB installed, 4.5 MB compressed) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL USER ENVIRONMENT: 123.6 MB fully installed REQUIRED DISK SPACE 102.7 MB optional stuff compressed 50.1 MB with no optional software User PLUS Developer: Above User Environment Developer Software (40.7 MB installed, 19.7 MB compressed) **Developer Documentation (33.7 MB installed, 13 MB compressed) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL DEVELOPER ENVIRONMENT: 198 MB fully installed REQUIRED DISK SPACE 156.4 MB optional stuff compressed 90.8 MB with no optional software (please correct me if I have made an error) Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Convert PICT, RTF, etc for Intel Processors (BETA) Message-ID: <1993Aug13.034712.1761@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 03:47:12 GMT I've recompiled my set of Macintosh file format conversion utilities so they run on both black and white versions of NEXTSTEP 3.1, and added some minor features to a couple of the apps. At the moment, I'm looking for folks, *especially* users of NS for Intel Processers, to `beta test' these apps and verify they work properly (since I don't have an machine with an intel processor, I can't do this myself). If you have any interest in beta testing any of these, please let me know at davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com I'll put the final versions on the net after I've gotten adequate testing on the these betas. The applications are: Convert PICT Convert mac PICT files to NeXT eps files (has a filter to allow pasting of PICT images. (useful if you use Executor), and more support for PicComments (not lots, still)) Convert RTF Converts Mac <--> NeXT rtf files (Support for a couple new rtf commands) Convert FONT Converts Mac bitmap font to NeXT bitmap font Convert TEXT Converts Mac <--> NeXT text files (Now also converts CRLF line endings too) Convert MacPaint Converts MacPaint files to eps files. Thanks! \david john burrowes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Help isn't available in 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Aug13.072347.606@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 07:23:47 GMT I tried to start Help in WOrkspace after having installed 3.1 but I get a panel saying "Help is not available". What do I have to do to make it available? Thanks, -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Two Dimension boards in one Cube? Message-ID: <CBoMrD.7C9@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <24ej0l$bc@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 05:18:48 GMT In article <24ej0l$bc@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: #In article 18918@news.duke.edu, blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: # #>I'm curious--what does having >1 board (Dimension or otherwise) in a Cube do #>for you? What are the advantages and disadvantages? # #Screen real-estate. Try it, you'll love it. (I used to have a dual-headed Cube). # #Nevin # I have a two headed cube and you would have to kill me to get my ND board. It only has 8 meg or ram but I like it anyway. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep Really Need 400 MB Free? Message-ID: <1993Aug13.092718.7340@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 09:27:18 GMT In article <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >to see 16 MB of RAM (no big deal these days) and 400 MB of free disk >space (an enormous amount of free disk space). When we bought our first NeXTs, we paid $4000 for 660MB drives. Today, 2.4GB drives cost us $1750--and they're *much* faster, have longer projected lifetimes, and better warranties. 400MB is enormous? That's a joke. We're not laughing about recent RAM prices, however. :-( -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: Steve's "Welcome" message (Was Re: Cracked) Message-ID: <1993Aug13.080452.773@black.toppoint.de> Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. References: <CBMrFq.JJ7@news.iastate.edu> <1993Aug12.160330.7411@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 08:04:52 GMT Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer, nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem, schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors. In <1993Aug12.160330.7411@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >Which is why I was sad to see it no longer appears under 3.2 (there's >a message, but no voice). Presumably that's because Intel systems >don't have the DSP. Is there any way to hack things so that the >voice attachment re-appears? Or more generally to generate a >customized `first mail message'? Have a look at /usr/template/user. Create a Mailboxes Directory in your home with the contents you like (Welcome message spoken by you, screen melt effect and so on) and install it in /usr/template/user/Mailboxes. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, 24114 Kiel 1, +49 431 676689 "Der Unterschied zwischen einem Kind und einem Mann besteht doch nur in der Groesse ihrer EDV-Anlage." -- Roland Mieslinger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: FTP / SLIP performance Message-ID: <1993Aug13.100341.8642@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <netnewsCBoD4K.z2@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 10:03:41 GMT In article <netnewsCBoD4K.z2@netcom.com> steve@eps.netcom.com (Steven Kornreich) writes: >Is ftp under a slip connection faster than receiving files via >lets say zmodem. A SLIP connection lets you do other things at the same time as your file transfer; the most popular file-transfer-over-a-serial- line protocols don't. SLIP also gives you the ability to transfer in both directions simultaneously. (Similarly for CSLIP, PPP, etc.) The fastest way to transfer a file over a phone line is to have Telebit WorldBlazer modems at each end talking Turbo PEP. If your main concern is the cost of the phone call (particularly long distance or international), this is the way to go. Turbo PEP means something like a 60% performance improvement over V.32bis, but its asymmetric design is heavily slanted toward UUCP and generally doesn't win for interactive usage. So you use whichever is more appropriate (on a call-by-call basis). BTW, the latest C-Kermit handily beats zmodem. (More info: comp.protocols.kermit newsgroup) -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Tailor announces PS app Message-ID: <1993Aug12.175530.7441@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <549FBBIC@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 17:55:30 GMT In article <549FBBIC@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: > Boy - this sounds terrific. Have they really done the job? This is > just incredible. As far as I know there's nothing similiiar on any > platform so far. > > Has anybody more information on this software - has anybody seen it > working? > I also haven't heard of Tailor. Who are they? The Rocky Mountain NeXT User Group had a demo of this product. In a word SLICK. One of the more impressive trials was to take a postscript of a fractal tree, one that was generated by only 60 lines of postscript code with lots of loops and attempt to edit one of the branches. Tailor worked on it for about 6-8 minutes and produced a file about 1000 times bigger but you could select any element of that tree and modify it. The program is Swiss, I believe. Alembic is the US vendor. If you need this product its great! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel From: U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL (R. Schalk) Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep Really Need 400 MB Free? Message-ID: <16C29AC32.U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL> Sender: news@sci.kun.nl (News owner) Organization: Universitair Centrum Informatievoorziening References: <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 11:14:38 GMT In article <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > >A friend of mine told me that NeXTStep for Intel wants/needs 400 MB of >disk space. He has an ALR Pentium machine and has already installed >DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, OS/2 2.1, and Windows NT (not sure of the >version) on it, for evaluation purposes. I jokingly suggested he also >put NeXTSTep on it, and he said one of his associates told him it wants >to see 16 MB of RAM (no big deal these days) and 400 MB of free disk >space (an enormous amount of free disk space). > >I find this hard to believe and promised him I'd consult the wisdom of >the Net. Well, any wisdom? > >-Tim May Well if you just want to run NextStep you need about 200MB, but you don't have any user space. If you also want the developers edition, you need about 430MB. Well compare this to solaris, that has about the same requirements. ******************************************************************** * ing. Ronald Schalk * * sectie COOS * * Universitair Centrum Informatievoorziening (UCI) * * Katholieke Universiteit Nijmegen (KUN) * * e-mail : R.Schalk@uci.kun.nl snailmail: Geert Grooteplein 41 * * TEL. : +31 80 617997 6525 GA NIJMEGEN * * fax : +31 80 617979 Nederland * ********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: R.M. O'Neill <oneill@cs.sfu.ca> Subject: PPD file for HP LaserJet IV (600dpi, PostScript), anyone? Message-ID: <1993Aug13.111032.27070@cs.sfu.ca> Summary: I'd like one, does anyone have one, or know where to find one? Sender: oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill) Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 11:10:32 GMT Does anyone have, or know where I could find, a PPD file for a HP LaserJet IV (600dpi, PostScript). I think it might be a IVsi, but I'm not 100% sure. Replies by mail would be welcome (keep down the clutter), if there is demand I'll summarise. Thank you in advance for your help, it is appreciated. Best Regards, R.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <CBp9Bx.J2G@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Aug12.211904.18401@leland.Stanford.EDU> <24eivb$li@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 13:19:06 GMT Doesn't "Paste and Link" do this now? I know it won't do the command-click suggestion, but the rest is reality. Just a thought -- I haven't tried this at home, so my brain may be on ice... Am I close? peter Annard Brouwer (annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl) wrote: ... : Whoa there! Why do we have an object oriented system? I would : like to seea "magic" link to the originating : program. For instance I'm using Paste-Up and I want to edit my : equation, I Cmd-click the equation and voila I'm in EquationBuilder : (or another program the data originates from) and edit the equation. : When I'm finished I'm doing a "Save-and-Return" and I'm back in Paste-Up. : One could even expand it in such a way that for instance when doing a : spell-check for a table Paste-Up askes the orginating program in which the : table was made to spell-check the table and return its results to Paste-Up : again. (Glenn, can I get paid for this? ;-))) : -- : Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) : People? You can forget it. -- Bureaucratically speaking, I am a subversive to obstructionists... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: FTP / SLIP performance Message-ID: <CBpAxw.BEx@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Aug13.100341.8642@csus.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:01:08 GMT Eric P. Scott writes []In article <netnewsCBoD4K.z2@netcom.com> steve@eps.netcom.com [] (Steven Kornreich) writes: []>Is ftp under a slip connection faster than receiving files via []>lets say zmodem. [] []A SLIP connection lets you do other things at the same time as []your file transfer; the most popular file-transfer-over-a-serial- []line protocols don't. SLIP also gives you the ability to []transfer in both directions simultaneously. (Similarly for []CSLIP, PPP, etc.) [] <other useful information trimmed> A few months ago I commented in a post how much faster FTP/SLIP was compared to kermit, etc. Quickly got two or three messages that proved me wrong, and realized it was not so much that SLIP was *faster* but rather that it just seemed so because my comm port was still free for other tasks, so the time "just flew by" since I was still having fun reading news, sending mail, etc. Plus, as someone who has networked machines at work, and a SLIPped NeXT at home, it's nice to have a consistent interface and only one set of commands for everything you do. If you have major files to send back and forth on a regular basis then go with C-Kermit, as EPS suggests, but for general interaction with other machines I think you'll find SLIP *seems* fastest because of the convenience, etc. Can't wait until my site supports CSLIP (then I can send Louis some well deserved $ :) Hope this is helpful --- Tom []BTW, the latest C-Kermit handily beats zmodem. [](More info: comp.protocols.kermit newsgroup) [] [] -=EPS=- -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: buckley@mayo.edu (Paul Buckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Date: 13 Aug 1993 15:15:49 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <24gb75$j4h@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <24e7n9$fq1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> In article <24e7n9$fq1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@ NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > In article <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Glenn Reid writes > > Royce Howland writes .. > Not having used EquationBuilder in conjunction with PasteUp (I've only > demo'ed EqB), I speak partly in ignorance; nonetheless I disagree with your > statement. My experience is that equations are difficult to get right the first > time. It seems that the process of launching EqB, editing the equation, saving, > going to PasteUp (or whatever), and updating the link to display the current > version of the equation would be more of hassle than, say, editing the equation > natively within the word processor (e.g. Frame). > > David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu > "Je chante bien, tres bien, merci beaucoup, a la garcon. > I don't know the language, but I got the accent down" > -- John Austin (& and the Embarrassing Young) I use Frame heavily right now and I know how to use their equation editor but I always use EquationBuilder (back and forth and all) so that my equations are uniform from doc to doc and between apps. If I drop an equation into Mail or make it part of an RTF I want to be sure it's the same one I'm printing in Frame. One equation in one place that can appear anywhere uniformly is much more valuable to me than quick editing in Frame, and any changes only have to be made once. I would prefer separate tools for any project now that inter-app communication is reality. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley Mayo Graduate School (NeXT Mail) Guggenheim 14 buckley@mayo.edu 200 First Street SW FAX 507-284-9349 Rochester, MN TEL 507-284-2065 55905 _________________________________________ Now, let's try that again "...a kinder, gentler nation..."
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.hp Subject: NEXTSTEP HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS: THE CORRECT NUMBERS Date: 13 Aug 1993 15:52:26 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <24gdbq$8hb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I am posting this to clear up the confusion surrounding NEXTSTEP hardware requirements. There have been many incorrect postings as to the requirements for NEXTSTEP. There have also been many people inquiring about the requirements. These are the correct numbers, source: NEXTSTEP CD-ROM. Eric Hermanson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEXTSTEP 3.1 (Intel and Motorola) NEXTSTEP *Requires* 8 MB Memory for 2-bit Greyscale NEXTSTEP *Requires* 12 MB Memory for 8-bit Greyscale NEXTSTEP *Requires* 16 MB Memory for 16-bit Color NeXT *Recommends* 12 MB Memory for 2-bit Greyscale NeXT *Recommends* 16 MB Memory for 8-bit Greyscale NeXT *Recommends* 24 MB Memory for 16-bit Color *SUMMARY* of NEXTSTEP Hard Drive Space *Requirements*: NEXTSTEP *Requires* 120 MB for User Environment NEXTSTEP *Requires* 330 MB for User Environment + Developer Tools NeXT *Recommends* 200 MB For User Environment (full install) NeXT *Recommends* 400 MB For User Environment + Developer Tools (full install) Full User Environment: 136 MB (NeXT *Recommends* 200 MB for User) Compressed User Environment: 109 MB Bare User Environment: 50 MB All Developer Tools: 100 MB (These numbers are the dev TOOLS only) Compressed Dev. Tools: 78 MB Bare Developer Tools: 66 MB FULL USER + DEVELOPER: **236 MB (NeXT *Recommends* 400 MB for User+Dev) Compressed USER + DEV: 187 MB Bare USER + DEVELOPER: 116 MB ** THE ENTIRE USER+DEVELOPER RELEASE OF NEXTSTEP TAKES UP APPROXIMATELY 236 MB *Detailed* Hard Drive Requirements: NEXTSTEP consists of a number of independent packages, some of which can be optionally installed. USER ENVIRONMENT: ** INDICATES OPTIONAL PACKAGE NEXTSTEP Essentials This is the required software, including user environment, UNIX, Renderman, NeXT Software (network stuff, NeXT Mail, etc), root & me accounts Installed Size 47.1 MB Languages Users can install up to six languages on the system, each one takes up 3 MB English 3MB, Italian, Sweedish, German, French, Spanish **DigitalWebster.pkg This package contains the Digital Webster application, the electronic edition of Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary. InstalledSize 18.8 MB CompressedSize 16.3 MB **Literature.pkg This package contains the complete works of Shakespeare, the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, and the pictures for Digital Webster. InstalledSize 40.7 MB CompressedSize 29.9 MB **Documentation.pkg This package contains the NEXTSTEP Network and System Administration manual and the UNIX manual pages. It also contains the complete set of PostScript Printer Description (PPD) files. InstalledSize 18 MB CompressedSize 8 MB **NeXTTeX.pkg This is a full implementation of TeX (LaTeX) and METAFONT. InstalledSize 8.1 MB CompressedSize 4.5 MB ============================================================================= TOTAL USER ENVIRONMENT: 136 MB Full Install 109 MB Compressed Optional Stuff 50 MB No Optional Software Installed DEVELOPER TOOLS: ** INDICATES OPTIONAL PACKAGE DeveloperTools.pkg This package contains applications and files you need for NEXTSTEP development. InstalledSize 36.4 MB CompressedSize 18.6 MB DeveloperLibs.pkg This package contains software libraries you need to develop NEXTSTEP software. InstalledSize 30 MB CompressedSize 14.5 MB **DeveloperDoc.pkg This package contains the on-line edition of the NEXTSTEP Developer's Library. InstalledSize 30 MB CompressedSize 10 MB **Demonstrations.pkg This package contains demonstration applications and images. InstalledSize 3 MB CompressedSize 2 MB ============================================================================= TOTAL DEVELOPER TOOLS: 100 MB Size of All Developer Tools 78 MB Size with Optional Stuff Compressed 66 MB Size with no Optional Software Installed
From: ray@mayo.edu (Ray Ghanbari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Object Links (was Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Date: 13 Aug 1993 16:06:23 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <24ge5v$jmi@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <CBp9Bx.J2G@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <CBp9Bx.J2G@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > Doesn't "Paste and Link" do this now? I know it won't do the > command-click suggestion, but the rest is reality. Just a thought -- I > haven't tried this at home, so my brain may be on ice... Am I close? > > peter > [munch] Yes. If an equation from EqB is "paste and link"'ed into an application that properly support Link Objects, then double clicking on the equation will automatically bring it up in EquationBuilder. "It just works" and has ever since EqB3.0 started shipping back in December Depending on how you have set the link to update, you can either have the equation in the document update when the equation in EqB gets saved, continually (a live link), or update you can update your document manually. The framework for meaningful interapplication communication is there. It is just a question of applications subscribing to the framework that NeXT provided beginning with NeXTSTEP 3.0. Apps such as NoteBook, Concurrence 2, GraphRight, etc. already support object links. I think new version of PasteUp does as well, but I'm not sure. (Disclaimer: DTW developed and markets EquationBuilder) Ray Ghanbari Digital Tool Works ray@dtw.com also: ray@mayo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug13.161532.12244@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <24eivb$li@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:15:32 GMT Annard Brouwer writes > Whoa there! Why do we have an object oriented system? I would > like to see a "magic" link to the originating program. For instance > I'm using Paste-Up and I want to edit my equation, I Cmd-click > the equation and voila I'm in EquationBuilder (or another program > the data originates from) and edit the equation. When I'm finished > I'm doing a "Save-and-Return" and I'm back in Paste-Up. Absolutely. I'd love to see this too. We're not there yet though. We have reached the point, however, where switching to a specialized app to do a specialized task and then pasting or linking in is at least as fast as starting up an equation editor within an app. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug13.162651.12598@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Aug13.040915.21692@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:26:51 GMT John Bartley writes > > .... Ditto with tables. I'd much rather do them > > in a spreadsheet (which is where the data are likely > > to originate, anyway) and paste or (even better) link > > them in than use a half-ass bundled table editor like > > the atrocious one in WP/DOS and WP/Windows. > > I suppose this is one way to handle "tables" if you don't > care about details such as page breaks, images inside > cells, data content exceeding 250 characters per cell, ability > to define multiple cell formats, define precisely where the data > will appear in the cell, etc. If you don't need to worry about > how things look or if you don't like the ability to build tables > on the fly or have xref's or variables or footnotes or figure > numbering then maybe doing them in a spreadsheet will work for > you. It won't work for me or others who do "serious" things with > tables that need to look good. Well, I think you're confusing a couple of different things. It is at this point very simple to make a table of numbers coming from a spreadsheet `look good.' Spreadsheets like Mesa include extensive formatting tools. And the word processor should take care of things like page breaks by keeping anything you paste or link in together as a unit. Now it may well be that for the kinds of tables that you want to create, a spreadsheet is inadequate. I suspect Diagram could take care of several of the things you mention. Perhaps not. But what you're saying is that you want a table creation app that lets you do x, y, and z. Fine. All I'm saying is that I don't think this kind of functionality should be hidden inside a word processor; much better to make it a stand-alone app whose output can be pasted or linked into whatever word processor you like to use. The only instance in which having such an editor within the word processor itself might be necessary is if you want to establish a reference to a specific item _within_ the table that might change as you edit. (Cross-referencing the table itself isn't a problem). I'll grant you that at the moment there is no good way of achieving this if you're linking or pasting in a table from another app. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: rlarson@semlab3.sbs.sunysb.edu (Richard Larson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Where Are Mail.app Addresses Stored? Date: 13 Aug 1993 16:15:58 GMT Organization: Institute For Theoretical Physics Message-ID: <24genu$gum@max.physics.sunysb.edu> Keywords: Mail.app The NEXTSTEP Mail application contains a facility for creating and saving addresses. Does anyone out there know where (i.e., in what files) those addresses are stored? I recently moved a network account from one machine to another and found that the addresses did not move with the account (even though I copied all the old mailboxes). I can't figure out where the addresses are stored, and really don't want to rebuild the whole addresses file from scratch. Help would be greatly appreciated! Please reply to: rlarson@semlab1.sbs.sunysb.edu (NeXTMail's fine)
From: rlarson@semlab3.sbs.sunysb.edu (Richard Larson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where Are Mail.app Addresses Stored? Date: 13 Aug 1993 16:17:25 GMT Organization: Institute For Theoretical Physics Message-ID: <24geql$gvu@max.physics.sunysb.edu> Keywords: Mail.app The NEXTSTEP Mail application contains a facility for creating and saving addresses. Does anyone out there know where (i.e., in what files) those addresses are stored? I recently moved a network account from one machine to another and found that the addresses did not move with the account (even though I copied all the old mailboxes). I can't figure out where the addresses are stored, and really don't want to rebuild the whole addresses file from scratch. Help would be greatly appreciated! Please reply to: rlarson@semlab1.sbs.sunysb.edu (NeXTMail's fine)
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Date: 13 Aug 93 14:21:29 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.745251689@ramazzotti> References: <24b55i$n0c@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1318@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >Gary Chang writes >> Umm... yes, that happened to me too. I was able to print the EPS >> file produced by Diagram!2; However, ONLY those little fancy icons I >> inserted as images associated with graph objects went blank when the >> document was printed in a Non-NeXT PS printer, the rest of the diagram >> look Okay. >This probably means that they were color icons which get printed with >the "colorimage" PostScript operator, which is a fairly new addition to >the PostScript language and not available in all printers. NeXT printers >support it, and PS Level II printers support it (and certainly any color >PostScript printers) but not older printers. Duh.. I feel stupid.. and I always thought this was a serious NeXT bug - all it actually was is PostScript Level II! But what can on we do when we have no access to a level II printer - are there any converters? Does it suffice to convert the corresponding color tiffs to greyscale (which is more work of course then running the ps file through a converter)? Thanx a bunch folx, Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I get an image as a background on the screen? Date: 14 Aug 1993 12:30:52 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <24ilts$8ui@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <thompsonCBqAHs.9LD@netcom.com> <24hnhl$1ah@digifix.digifix.com> Sanguish@digifix.com wrote... >Eric Thompson writes >> Is there a program that will put an image in the background of >> the screen? (Like 'xloadimage -onroot' for X?) > > Background should be on both cs.orst.edu and nova.cc.purdue.edu. > I think the latest version is archived as Background3.tar.Z Has anyone written a Backspace module that simulates the functionality of Background? I'd like to be able to tile an image in the background without having to have two different apps around, especially when Backspace can do both. Of course, this would really call for modifying Backspace so that you can use different modules for your background and your screen saver. A screen saver that just puts a tiled image up on your screen sure isn't doing anything to save those phosphors! Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | I love emacs. But it has this one little problem... `---- | It thinks it's an operating system.
From: janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org (Jay Anthony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 14 Aug 1993 09:16:18 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <m0oRMPZ-000Bj0C@nextsrv1.andi.org> >>Has this happened? > > >Good question! Has anyone seen the info on this yet? My group >has called NeXT and asked them to send us the full info on this >and they told us it wasn't ready yet and that we'll see it in >a few months. In the meantime they keep sending us copies of >the white papers we picked up at expo. NeXT: Do you want >developers on NS or not? We don't need more white papers. We >_have_ NEXTSTEP already. We want contacts, support, etc., as >developers!!! The two months we were told it would take have >long since lapsed; this is most unimpressive. Definitely. I've called a number of times and nothing. Note that I sent in an application back in April... not the greatest time for them, but still... Last I heard they were going to ship out the info on August 15. I asked if that was "definite", and was told yes. Obviously that date was more "abstract" than "concrete", since it's a Sunday. :-( Software developer's have a tough enough time in this market... you would think... well, guess we've all heard it before... --- Jason W. Anthony NeXTmail: DigitalExpressions@andi.org Digital Expressions Inc. Voice/Fax: +1 518 346-0568 "This signature dragged-and-dropped into the message using DragBook"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Can someone diagnose this hardware problem (25MHz Slab) Message-ID: <1993Aug14.153211.13216@selway.umt.edu> Followup-To: poster Organization: University of Montana Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 15:32:11 GMT Hi there - My slab periodically locks up, and it works again when I reboot, but....does anyone have an idea what's going on? I can't afford to buy harddrives and motherboards to swap out; a fix would be great. About four or five times a week this will happen. The hard drive will start making a noise that I interpret as it trying to access the same block over and over. "Dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit- dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-diddldiddldit". It's doing it right now, as a matter of fact, so I can give a lot of detail. After the noise, it waits right at thirty seconds and does it again. I happen to know from experience that as soon as I leave this window, the computer will be locked up. When I've been at a terminal window and this happens, it kicks out a "bus error" message. I have reinstalled the 3.0 software, but have not done a complete rebuild on the hard drive. I can try that, but the bus error message to me suggests more of a hardware problem. Now the sound is continuous, instead of stopping and restarting. Better post this message before it completely locks up on me... Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Message-ID: <1993Aug14.005616.6065@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 00:56:16 GMT In article <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jashley@cs.indiana.edu (J. Michael Ashley) writes: > I'm trying to produce a postscript file from a diagram I have. I've > tried saving it as EPS and clicking the 'save' button on the Print > panel. In both cases, I can't get the resulting file to print on a > non-NeXT printer. I've tried a DEC printer and a HP Laserjet III. > Hi, Diagram!2 create Postscript Level 2, but most of the printers are not able to do this :-( I solve the problem by creating a new printer (with this type I want) with PrinterManager.app. Now I save all PS from Diagram!2 with this new type because NS 3.1 added its new ProcSet 3.1 which converts PSL2 to PSL1! It works! Sincerely -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panels for 3.1 Date: 14 Aug 1993 16:50:24 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <24j54g$jke@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'll give my polemics about how loginwindow.app does its thing another day; for the moment, I'm trying to learn how to live with it. Convinced as I am in my own sweet mind that the vendor-supplied login panel for 3.1 is not pretty, and being both a text-oriented and pretend-graphic-design person, I resolved at least for my own consumption to do something about it. Quite a while back I made a series of login panel tiffs for 3.0 (and before) that displayed text from the Chuang Tsu above the login/password text blocks. I've redone these for 3.1. The texts (31 of them) are the same, but the appearance (sorry, no color, just 2-bit grey) is rather different. Plain, but different. The old set and the new one are available for anonymous ftp from yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], under pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.0 and pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1. In each directory there's a README that gives the texts as a key to the 31 tiffs in each set. There are several ways to install these. As root, you can open the folder /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app, where you can rename the original LoginPanel.tiff and insert a new LoginPanel.tiff. Another is to set a link to the new image (I've not tested that myself). Another is to do a dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /com/plete/path/to/new_image.tiff *but* (if you installed Upgrade 3.1, rather than doing a complete build for 3.1) if your 3.0 defaults are still present and not quite right, you might (it happened to me) find yourself returned to the login panel when you try to log in. The remedy (see pg. 7 of the Release Notes) is to get out of that pickle by rebooting and replace your .NeXT directory with a clean one, /usr/template/user/.NeXT. This wipes out all your existing defaults, be aware. Enjoy, and (if you find it so) be edified. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-------> A wise man sees as much as he ought, not as much as he can. <-------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Yes and No (Was Re: Does NEXTSTEP Really Need 400MB Free?) Message-ID: <1993Aug14.100221.9044@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 10:02:21 GMT This depends on just what you want to do with it and how much you are willing to use (slowly) from the CD-ROM. The on-line Unix DOCs, even with fill-ins for missing docs run just around 5 megs (uncompressed). Webster and the various literature works can be run from the CDROM, as if hard, though much slower. For a full installation INCLUDING Developers (Single language only) about 150-200mb is enough, so long as much of the Dev kit is executed directly from the CDROM. Swapfile for an 8m black machine -- 16megs is sufficient for all but massive rendering or enormous -pipe'd compiles. My current configuration: CDROM on /dev/sd1a with NEXTSTEP_Dev_3.1 Full (compact) installation on /dev/odoa mounted as /NEXTSTEP_3.1, so that for alternate use of OD, I can merely insert the NEXTSTEP_3.1 CD, and do what I wish with the OD, retaining a full (non-Developers) system. 100m boot disk with swapfile and all ESSENTIAL system components installed. Non-essential or occasional use (non-time-critical) are soft-links to the other disks. 8m RAM mono-Cube. Typical links... /NextAdmin -- only NetInfoManager.app is actually installed, all other apps are soft-links Problems... suid-root attributes do not survive soft-links from removable media. Thus to use ``UserManager.app'' it must be launched from either a GUI root login, or from a Terminal.app login as root. Yes, it's possible to run with only 100m H/D, so long as the CD-ROM can be mounted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: FTP / SLIP performance PLUS Message-ID: <1993Aug14.102141.9114@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <CBpAxw.BEx@news.iastate.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 10:21:41 GMT In article <CBpAxw.BEx@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: -> <other useful information trimmed> < and trimmed again> -> A few months ago I commented in a post how much faster -> FTP/SLIP was compared to kermit, etc. Quickly got two -> or three messages that proved me wrong, and realized it -> was not so much that SLIP was *faster* but rather -> that it just seemed so because my comm port was still -> free for other tasks, so the time "just flew by" since -> I was still having fun reading news, sending mail, etc. -> Plus, as someone who has networked machines at work, -> and a SLIPped NeXT at home, it's nice to have a consistent -> interface and only one set of commands for everything -> you do. -> -> If you have major files to send back and forth on a -> regular basis then go with C-Kermit, as EPS suggests, -> but for general interaction with other -> machines I think you'll find SLIP *seems* fastest -> because of the convenience, etc. Can't wait until my -> site supports CSLIP (then I can send Louis some well -> deserved $ :) PLUS -- If you're more comfortable with a kermit server for file transfers on the distant machine, and wish to use C-Kermit WHILE you're using NewsGrazer, or rlogin or telnet... you need only specify -j <hostname> on the C-Kermit line to operate it over the SLIP link. Possible simultaneous connections (incomplete list) over the same link... nntp mode NewsGrazer or other newsreader icmp2 mode Pine (MIME Mailer) tcp mode uucp mail and file transfers, including repeated as-you-post (or nearly so) from NeXT-Mail ftp or tftp connection(s) including through connections which require an ``auth'' server on your end (see pidentd). Bi-directional transfers, merely open a second Terminal.app window and run one ftp in mput and the other in mget commands. telnet and/or rlogin connection(s) rsh <hostname> "commandline for remote shell" (with trusted host status) Check your system time (telnet <remot host> 13) finger users or status at remote host(s) talk or ytalk (how many people can ya ``ytalk'' with at once?) Of course, with MASSIVE data transmissions over any of these, the link will gradually bog down to a crawl under the load. At least a 14400v.42bis connection is recommended. OTOH, recent versions of Z-Modem, with both resume and rle compression can make data fly on a fast link -- I've seen 4kcps and above on un-pre-compressed data, over a simple C-Kermit established (direct-to-modem) link locked at 38400, with a 14400v.42bis connection or under MicroPhone-Pro so long as a better Z-Modem is present for the sz end. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com NeXT-Mail preferred, MIME-Mail ok
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 14 Aug 1993 17:48:37 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <24j8hl$5pr@hermes.athena.com> References: <m0oRMPZ-000Bj0C@nextsrv1.andi.org> In article <m0oRMPZ-000Bj0C@nextsrv1.andi.org> janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org (Jay Anthony) writes: > > >>Has this happened? > > > > > >Good question! Has anyone seen the info on this yet? My group > >has called NeXT and asked them to send us the full info on this > >and they told us it wasn't ready yet and that we'll see it in > >a few months. In the meantime they keep sending us copies of > >the white papers we picked up at expo. NeXT: Do you want > >developers on NS or not? We don't need more white papers. We > >_have_ NEXTSTEP already. We want contacts, support, etc., as > >developers!!! The two months we were told it would take have > >long since lapsed; this is most unimpressive. > > Definitely. I've called a number of times and nothing. Note that I > sent in an application back in April... not the greatest time for > them, but still... > > Last I heard they were going to ship out the info on August 15. I > asked if that was "definite", and was told yes. Obviously that date > was more "abstract" than "concrete", since it's a Sunday. :-( > > Software developer's have a tough enough time in this market... you > would think... well, guess we've all heard it before... > I am not speaking for NeXT, but I have spoken with them. I spent about a week in Redwood City a month ago talking to all levels of people at NeXT to try and understand what's going on. I spent time talking to Julie Saffren (Director of Developer Programs) and her staff about our experiences with developer programs and what we'd like to see in terms of developer programs. NeXT definitely wants to support developers. They know they need software. We are a large NEXTSTEP shop, yet we require little support. Let's list what developer support can do: 1 - Help a developer get their software in front of the sales force. If you have a good product that is *finished*, you don't need to be an official developer to get NeXT's attention. 2 - Answers for technical questions. NeXT has a support program for this. Developers have to pay for it like everyone else. Being a developer doesn't mean much. If you don't want to pay, you can always send the question to next-prog@cpac.washington.edu. I've gotten some very good and insightful answers from the folks on this alias. 3 - "Getting a glimpse behind the black curtain" Being a developer doesn't help here. I get most of my gossip from friends in the NeXT community, not from official developer releases. This is a relationship thing, and you don't have to be a blessed developer to have relationships with others in the NeXT community. 4 - Get stuff cheap. This meant a lot more in the hardware days. If you have NS 3.0, then getting 3.1 and 3.2 is cheap. If you're just starting out, you can buy 3.1 for $299. I believe the edu price is $249. It's likely that you can get NS Developer cheap if you want without being a developer. If you want to develop NEXTSTEP code, Just Do It! Write a killer app. NeXT will take you seriously *AFTER* you deliver. You can be blessed with the title "Developer", but until you ship, it is not meaningful. Thanks. David
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUMMARY:Revamped Developer Program? Date: 14 Aug 1993 16:43:01 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <24jiol$58a@digifix.digifix.com> References: <24j8hl$5pr@hermes.athena.com> Question: NeXTWORLD says NeXT has revamped the Developer Program, but we have not heard anything yet from NeXT. Is this the case? I recieved a response from NeXT within an hour or so of having posted my question. Basically.... Yes, it is being revamped. It took longer than expected because there was a need to put some form of order management in place (since the order management department went with the hardware). The bottom line is that the information is going out to current developers on Monday. The response was from Julie Saffren, and was very polite and informative. Overall, it gave me a very positive feeling about the situation with regards to developers. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: who is that girl in the picture? (was Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD) Message-ID: <930813.235803.1Y7.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 23:58:03 MDT References: <239ert$3io@hermes.athena.com> <239h9v$3rq@hermes.athena.com> Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: > The layout is eye-catching (sometimes > I like it, sometimes, I don't, but the layout is never boring.) just WHO is that a picture of on the best-of-breed page? 2nd column, at the bottom (if you were having a hard time finding her) :-) I've got some assumptions about who she MIGHT be, but am mildly curious as to the truth. (note complete lack of mention of typo in the puzzles section. is its Scott Kim the same one who did _Inversions_?) -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 14 Aug 1993 17:03:34 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> References: <24j8hl$5pr@hermes.athena.com> David Pollak writes > I am not speaking for NeXT, but I have spoken with them. I spent > about a week in Redwood City a month ago talking to all levels > of people at NeXT to try and understand what's going on. I > spent time talking to Julie Saffren (Director of Developer > Programs) and her staff about our experiences with developer > programs and what we'd like to see in terms of developer > programs. > > NeXT definitely wants to support developers. They know they need > software. We are a large NEXTSTEP shop, yet we require little > support. Let's list what developer support can do: > [munch] Unlike the response that I got from NeXT, David's post doesn't make me feel very good about the situation. Don't get me wrong, I feel that the situation with NeXT is definately going to be improving. Its more Dave's take on things that is upsetting. Many times we have heard from David about how Mesa is the premier spreadsheet on the platform, and how he wrote it by himself... unfortunately not all of us are the programming gods that David must be. I'm not after NeXT to hold my hand while I try and figure out NXBrowsers or anything like that. However it seems very useful to me to have Developer status. It does make it easier to be recognized by NeXT. Not every developer is going to be shipping a 'mass market' product. We've been shipping our Textile software in limited quantities for 3 months now, and I don't think anyone at NeXT would have noticed. Not because they don't care, but because it is not a high profile application. > If you want to develop NEXTSTEP code, Just Do It! Write a killer > app. NeXT will take you seriously *AFTER* you deliver. You > can be blessed with the title "Developer", but until you ship, > it is not meaningful. I know that we've just done it. But thats because we had no choice. There have been times when it would have been easier to have had some support. A small developer doesn't necessarily have anyone to bounce ideas off of, where as a Large NEXTSTEP shop does. Working on an app under NEXTSTEP totally isolated, and on your own is difficult at best. At worst, I'd say damn near impossible. The comp.sys.next.programmer readers are often helpful, but I am finding that the posts are usually answered by the same cluster of people. Without the responses from Greg, Garance, EPS, and others, we wouldn't have shipped. Period. Like I said originally. NeXT's response to my query was positive, answered the question, and helped to lessen the anxiety about the situation. However to be lectured by a successful mass-market NEXTSTEP developer on the situation, and how we don't need NeXT's stamp of approval is not useful. I guess now I can expect the inevitable flames from Dave, and I'm sure that Glenn will jump on me about this too! :-) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Message-ID: <1993Aug14.211644.21892@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 14 Aug 93 21:16:44 GMT References: <m0oRMPZ-000Bj0C@nextsrv1.andi.org> <24j8hl$5pr@hermes.athena.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. The only question I have is what kind of software qualifies for having the annual $250 fee waived? A Backspace Module? :) What is there to gain by becoming a registered Consultant as opposed to a registered developer? It seems the benefits (such as they are) are essentially the same, only the r.d. is allowed to stop paying dues after they ship. -Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Where to find Tesseract Message-ID: <1993Aug10.162601.28315@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <jhough.744937431@qualcom> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:26:01 GMT In article <jhough.744937431@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: > > Well, I've looked all over sonata.cc.perdue.edu and I dont see Tesseract there. Can someone please let me know which folder I should be looking in? > > Thanks in advance... > > (btw, I did try archie, but it timed out) > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 > "This world sharpens teeth..." > - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try cs,orst.edu. It was still in pub/next/submissions last I checked (08/10/93), but may have moved to pub/next/3.0/com or somewhere else more reasonable by now. John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: keyboard autorepeat Message-ID: <1993Aug11.064723.664@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <CBIGuo.M6H@inrird.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 06:47:23 GMT In article <CBIGuo.M6H@inrird.com> sladen@marlin.nosc.mil writes: > Does anyone know is there is a default somewhere to set the rate at which > applications receive keyboard events when the user holds down a key? > > > Thanks a lot. > > Mark Sladen > sladen@marlin.nosc.mil dwrite NeXT1 KeyRepeat 2 Or, just use Preferences.app...... -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Welcome to the NeXT world....... (was Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14)) Message-ID: <1993Aug13.035726.4315@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <CBMrFq.JJ7@news.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 03:57:26 GMT > []8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT World" > message, > []at full volume, through headphones. > [] > > No no, I **definitely** that belongs in the top three. . . . > the first thing I do whenever creating new accounts is to go and delete > that message before the user has a chance to play it (and I have a chance > to overhear it :) Why don't you do what I do, and delete the message from /usr/template/user/Mailboxes/Active.mbox, so it never even gets there......... > > TLM > -- > Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist > Center for Physical and > Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 > Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) > Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Welcome to the NeXT world....... (was Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14)) Message-ID: <1993Aug13.051809.4430@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Aug13.035726.4315@relief.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 05:18:09 GMT In article <1993Aug13.035726.4315@relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: > > []8) Forced to listen to 24 hours of Steve's "Welcome to the NeXT World" > > message, > > []at full volume, through headphones. > > [] > > > > No no, I **definitely** that belongs in the top three. . . . > > the first thing I do whenever creating new accounts is to go and delete > > that message before the user has a chance to play it (and I have a chance > > to overhear it :) > > Why don't you do what I do, and delete the message from > /usr/template/user/Mailboxes/Active.mbox, so it never even gets > there......... Hate to follow up my own post, but the welcome message under 3.1 is a lot less annoying that the one from 3.0 and earlier. Guess I won't delete this one after all......... > > > > > > TLM > > -- > > Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist > > Center for Physical and > > Computational Mathematics 515-294-6629 > > Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) > > Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: can I ftp NS/i hw compat guide? Message-ID: <1993Aug11.064455.596@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Aug10.145722.19077@infonode.ingr.com> Distribution: comp Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 06:44:55 GMT In article <1993Aug10.145722.19077@infonode.ingr.com> bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes: > > Is there a place where I can ftp the NS/i hw compatibility guide? > > Thanks. > > Please don't send NextMail. I can't read it (yet). > > Bailey ftp.next.com (It's about time..... ) -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:31:35 GMT References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE ***** BEFORE I BEGIN ***** This resembles the "oh my god, you can't have as many processes under 3.1 as you can under 3.0, look 'hostconfig' says so!" thread. Reading the output of applications like 'ps' and making sense of the results is HARD on a modern os and shouldn't be undertaken lightly. --- > I just ran a ps -aux on my 486/50DX2 with 20 megs of ram. > Guess what? The window server takes up 30% of the system > memory! I just ran ps on MY system, added up all of the "RSIZE"s (real size as opposed to virtual size, which is MUCH larger) and found out that my system, running only a few applications is using 40.152MB of RAM... that's 143% of system memory! Wait a sec... 143% is more than slightly over 100% and my system isn't CLOSE to swapping. How can this possibly be true? Well, for one thing, every application using a shared library reports the size of the shared libraries in both its virtual and real sizes. After all the library IS a part of the app's memory, and some of it is in RAM... but that part can be SHARED between multiple apps. Hence the name. How much of an application is shared libraries? Well, even a simple app created with Project Builder / Interface Builder winds up loading: libMedia: 451,508 bytes libNeXT: 2,145,380 bytes libIndexing: 498,384 bytes libsys: 953,412 bytes ... that's almost 4MB of virtual space, and potentially 4MB of REAL space that isn't actually a part of your application. So when "Solitaire.app" is listed as occupying 4.61MB of virtual memory, it's actually only about 700k! And that's virtual! What about REAL memory? 1.49MB is listed, but most of the is shared library. I wish I knew of a way to check in any depth offhand... but probably not a whole bunch is local to the application, only 56k is malloced, and most of the rest will be, what, stack? I'd guess we're looking at about 128k, total REAL memory, ignoring window backing store (but that's not part of my memory space, anyway). > Between the window server, the kernel, and other little things > my system uses over 60% of its memory! I could understand > NEXTSTEP needing 8 megs to run, but over 12 megs of RAM just to > load the system? Someone needs to trim this thing down to > size. Take it with a grain of salt. Realistically, in real memory it looks like 2MB for the window server, 3MB for the kernel, 1.5MB for shared libraries, 0.5MB for daemons. Net result: You really need about 7MB for the "base stuff". An 8MB machine has about 1MB left for applications and window backing storage without swapping which is quite tight. A full screen of windows on a 2-bit mono 640x480 occupies about .1MB, and an application like interface builder takes about 1.25MB to run... but you can ALMOST do it without swapping! Of course, when running 1120 x 832 with 12-bit color, a screen full of windows now occupies 1.5MB... so a 16MB system can run three "full screen" IB-style applications comfortably. > There is one other very intresting thing. The CPU utilization > for the whole system was under 25%. Nice to see that NEXTSTEP > dosen't really eat CPU time and memory. Get a grip and learn to look past the surface a bit before you start to gripe. Presuming you'd like your system to be properly utilized, 100% CPU utilization would be nice to see for the simplest of tasks, but you're waiting on video / interprocess / disk bottlenecks so 25% isn't bad... and most of that time will be WindowServer CPU (drawing those individual characters and scrolling bitmapped displays around...) now if the rest of the system were actually DOING something, that would be a different matter and CPU utilization would change accordingly. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Message-ID: <1993Aug15.071836.20783@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <24j8hl$5pr@hermes.athena.com> <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:18:36 GMT In article <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Many times we have heard from David about how Mesa is the premier >spreadsheet on the platform, and how he wrote it by himself... unfortunately >not all of us are the programming gods that David must be. You don't need to be a "programming god"--this is NEXTSTEP we're talking about, not MS Windows, X/Motif, MacOS, etc. Jeez... (This is not a personal attack on David by any means. I just don't believe his abilities are unique or even rare relatively speaking. You too can do it.) > However it seems very useful to me to >have Developer status. It does make it easier to be recognized by NeXT. They have my face in a .tiff file. :-) > The comp.sys.next.programmer readers are often helpful, but I am >finding that the posts are usually answered by the same cluster of people. >Without the responses from Greg, Garance, EPS, and others, we wouldn't have >shipped. Period. Thanks for the compliment--but let me point out that I have never been a registered developer nor I have ever been to Developer Camp--and after talking to numerous people who have, I'm totally convinced that these programs have nothing to offer me. They're great tax deductions, opportunities to meet people, impressive to your boss, helpful to the "motivationally challenged," etc.--all wonderful things--but utterly useless when it comes to My Developer Needs. I came into the NeXT community already knowing my way around UNIX and able to code in C, with some vague idea what "object-oriented programming" was all about. My reaction to Objective-C was basically "so what?"--it wasn't _weird_ like C++--it was just the C I was already comfortable with, with a few adornments. The hardest part was learning the AppKit's repertoire and different ways to approach it. /NextDeveloper/Examples/ did what no single instructor could ever hope to do--it presented a diversity of perspectives. I didn't look at the Examples as raw materials, but valued them as illustrations. When I got stuck, I knew that their authors must have stumbled in the same place, and I could go back and see how they coped. There was no Garfinkel and Mahoney book, there was no comp.sys.next.programmer, there was no one around me who knew any more than I did--even among those who DID go to Developer Camp. NEXTSTEP certainly wasn't overwhelming then, and with all the resources available to someone coming into the fold today, it's probably ten times easier. I believe one of the biggest reasons I can _do_ what many consider impossible is that I've been spared "developer indoctrination." These programs exist to a large extent because other vendors offer them, and customers have been conditioned to expect (and "demand") them. But they're really thinly disguised marketing tools, more concerned with image than substance. So what's in it for me? I should pay to receive NeXT propaganda? As I understand it, NeXT's "improved" licensing terms supposedly bar me (as a user at an accredited educational institution that qualifies for academic pricing) from developing anything commercial, so I should have no expectation whatsoever of fee- waived participation in post-NeRD Developer programs. Awwww... Well, I'm glad that *someone* is reaping the benefits of my work, even if it isn't me. Apologies in advance to any commercial developers that lose sales because of any "four cube products" I might be FORCED TO GIVE AWAY FOR FREE in the future. It's not my fault. Really. :-) -=EPS=- -- Am I bluffing? Only time will tell. I don't spend all my time posting to the net...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: Re: Check this out (Configure.app)! Message-ID: <austinCBsJ63.1M5@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Aug6.193724.9949@TetraSoft.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:51:38 GMT Joseph R. Grace (JGrace@TetraSoft.com) wrote: : Another fun feature... : on NS/FIP, open the info panel of Configure.app. Now hold downn both alt keys : and double click on the monitor. Voila! :-) : Cheers, : = Joe = : p.s., rumor has it that the NeXT logo was once a picture of Steve! : -- : Joe Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> (e-mail and NeXT-Mail accepted.) : #include <StandardDisclaimer.h> : TetraSoft International Business and Personal Productivity NeXTSTEP Apps. I get nothing when I do the above. (On a Gateway 2000) What happens for you ? Greg Lindholm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: Re: The Net works its magic! THANKS! (long, was Chickens and Eggs :-) Message-ID: <austinCBsK0w.2uF@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <CBFMD0.ELv@aardvark.rain.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 08:10:08 GMT Chris Lamb (chris@aardvark.rain.com) wrote: : Well, I'm really happy to say that I managed to get NS/FIP : installed on my Gateway 2000! And I want to thank all the kind : folks who sent email with suggestions and encouragement: : j-weiss@nwu.edu : mitch@ella.mills.edu : tacchi@cc.umanitoba.ca : ridgway@inls3.ucsd.edu : cedman@lynx.ps.uci.edu : austin@netcom.com : ian_stewart@pyrian.com : dean@rdcalr.realdec.com : gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu I too would like to thank the above plus Chris. With ever ones help I was also able to get NS loaded on my Gateway. I didn't experience any of the CD-ROM problems he described, and I don't seem to have the ATI-bright-line problem either. The only problems I have left are getting the internal modem working and how to configure the PAS-16 on an IDE machine. It seems that all the usable DMA slots are in use , specifically 2 & 3 are used by the IDE drive and the floppy.y. Thanks Everyone. Greg Lindholm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: who is that girl in the picture? (was Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD) Message-ID: <1993Aug14.233650.7192@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <930813.235803.1Y7.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 23:36:50 GMT In article <930813.235803.1Y7.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes: > just WHO is that a picture of on the best-of-breed page? 2nd column, > at the bottom (if you were having a hard time finding her) :-) > > I've got some assumptions about who she MIGHT be, but am mildly > curious as to the truth. Beth Kamoroff. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: Re: What Gateway 2000 config. should I get? Message-ID: <austinCBsKrA.3LA@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <93220.67818.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 08:25:58 GMT Mr_b wrote: : I would greatly appreciate a posting by anyone who has recently : purchasing a GATEWAY 2000 and successfully installing NEXTSTEP. Could : you list what configuration you purchased and what worked and did not : work for running NEXTSTEP. : I've been impressed by the features and price of the GATEWAY 2000 : computers, but I was not 100% convinced by their tech support that they : are certain what will work with NEXTSTEP. And I also don't want to base : my purchase on the configuration guide put out by NEXTSTEP. I couldn't : use that guide even if I wanted to, since it doesn't even include any : information about CD-ROM players. : No, I would really prefer some first-hand experience about this. : ---- : MR_B@LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM : Brian Mahoney I just got my Gateway up with NEXTSTEP. I got there 486dx2/66v package they have been advertising with the following upgrades: - 24 meg ram - 17" monitor - ATI w/2meg video ram - internal modem The first problem I had was there CD-ROM is not SCSI and can't be used so get yourself an Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller plus a real SCSI CD-ROM. I got the IDE drive so didn't experience any of the wierd pop-the-cdrom- out-at-the-exact-time problems. The only other problem was the "w7" jumper needs to be set on the keyboard which is now in the NextAnswers doc. You may want to request the plain 101-keyboard, if not they send there 124-anykey which works fine but the arrow keys are positioned funny. I have not yet gotten the internal modem working under nextstep (I'm on dos right now) this seems to be a NeXT bug not a hardware problem. My performance is great, much better then a NeXTstation. One more thing, the Gateway comes with the mouse on COM2 you need to switch the cables to get the mouse on to COM1. It was a pain to work out these issues but now I'm very very happy with my machine. Greg Lindholm
From: t146678@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Tuominen Juha) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The most good-looking program Date: 15 Aug 1993 13:38:45 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <24l3nl$hks@cc.tut.fi> What do you think, what's the most beatiful program for NeXT? I tried to find some very good-looking programs, but only two came up: Improve and Communicae. Of course my program collection is not that wide so I'd like to know if there are any great PD programs for NS2.1 with beatiful user-interface. -- Juha Tuominen NeXTMail talks and disk drive walks Opiskelijankatu 30 B 42 Tampere University of Technology 33720 TAMPERE - FINLAND Mail: t146678@cc.tut.fi Phone: +358-31-182 851
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What Gateway 2000 config. should I get? Date: 15 Aug 1993 16:22:53 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Message-ID: <24lnst$a27@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <93220.67818.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> <austinCBsKrA.3LA@netcom.com> > >One more thing, the Gateway comes with the mouse on COM2 you need to >switch the cables to get the mouse on to COM1. > You might want to check this before switching the cables. Mine came with Mouse on Com1 (tower case). -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 15 Aug 1993 15:54:58 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <24lm8i$boh@hermes.athena.com> References: <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> In article <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > > > If you want to develop NEXTSTEP code, Just Do It! Write a killer > > app. NeXT will take you seriously *AFTER* you deliver. You > > can be blessed with the title "Developer", but until you ship, > > it is not meaningful. > > I know that we've just done it. But thats because we had no > choice. There have been times when it would have been easier to have > had some support. A small developer doesn't necessarily have anyone to > bounce ideas off of, where as a Large NEXTSTEP shop does. > No flames, except to me. Sometimes I can be less than sensitive to others. I could go on at length about NeXT's lack of support of Athena Design and Mesa, but a public forum is not the place. If you want to hear some stories, call me. Okay, just one. I could not get my developer advocate to return my phone calls until December of 1992. We started shipping in August 1992. I have been lucky because Boston is a hot-bed of cool people. Shawn Broderick and Charles Perkins were both very helpful. Andrew Stone kept my faith up through many dark hours. I developed Mesa in relative isolation (and that may account for the less-than-slick UI) from NeXT. I wish you and the other small developers the best of luck. A year ago, Athena Design was 3 people. We've grown through luck and hard work. I hope that other developers can experience the growth and success that we have. Our success has not come from a baseline of support from NeXT (although since January, NeXT has been very responsive and helpful.) I believe that a couple of guys in a garage CAN do it. Scott and other small developers, if I was insensitive to your needs or your current situation, I am very, very sorry. The NEXTSTEP community is the greatest group of people I have met. I believe that they/we are capable of making a real difference in computing. I also feel that we should look to each other for moral and technical support rather than looking to NeXT to provide these things. I believe that if we work together that we will continue to be a strong, vibrant community that can and will make a positive influence on the world. > > I guess now I can expect the inevitable flames from Dave, and I'm sure > that Glenn will jump on me about this too! :-) > Thanks and I am sorry for any hurt that I caused. David
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Objective-C++ in NS Developer 3.2? Questions about Obj-C++. Message-ID: <53371@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 15 Aug 93 17:41:25 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: na Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Hi, In Article: 1155 of comp.sys.next.announce, cgeiger@NeXT.COM says that in developer 3.2 C++ Support - libg++ - The GNU libg++, v2.3, C++ class libraries are being added to the release. On-line documentation for the library is being added as well. - ld++ Command Wrapper - This wrapper will prevent C++ developers from having to look at mangled names when there is a link error. The errors will be expressed in the native C++ names. Now, I am not as up on GNU as I should be, so I don't know if this means that the newest compiler with both objective-c and c++ is going to be available or not? Is it? Does this mean that libg++ and appkit can be used in the same program? Along the same lines, in objective-c++ (is this the new name, I saw someone post it like this once...) returning one of the data elements through a function call is expensive compared to using an in-line function For example, - (int) rank { return r; } vs. inline Card::rank () {return r;} How well does objective-c++ allow you to do the second thing inside an object whose specification is mostly in terms of objective-c? Also, in the above example, r and rank are distinct for the benefit of c++ but the r in the objective-c could be replaced by rank. How is this resolved in objective-c++? Thanks, Mark Stankus
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Kermit 5a.188 binaries for NSFIP Date: 15 Aug 1993 19:11:41 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Distribution: world Message-ID: <24m1pdINN9gl@network.ucsd.edu> Can anyone direct me to where I can get a copy of the kermit executable for NSFIP. Thanks very much -- alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: wu-ftpd on NeXT? Date: 15 Aug 1993 19:53:13 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Distribution: inet Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Aug15215313@dannug.dannug.dk> Hi I have compiled and installed wu-archive's ftp-daemon release 2.1B, and all works just great except the automatic tar and compress functionality. I can receive and transmit files, but the daemon has the ability to create a .tar and .tar.Z file on the fly, but I can't make it work. I have installed a copy of both compress, ls and gnu-tar in ~ftp/bin. Anyone got a clue?? Btw: I'm running 3.1PR1, but I don't think that is the problem! Thanks in advance, Karsten -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 President, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ALR Evolution V benchmarks Date: 15 Aug 1993 20:43:02 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <24m74m$hhf@umd5.umd.edu> Hi, Here are the results of running BenchPress on an ALR Evolution V (60 MHz Pentium) system with the following configuration: 40 MB RAM Adaptec 1514C ATI GUP VLB (2 MB VRAM) Fujitsu 2263 Animate tensor logo: 125.360374 Draw color ramps: 186.907425 Draw polygons: 101.221451 Draw lines: 92.286453 Text manipulation: 95.744888 Image scaling: 252.159103 Image Decompression: 197.512375 Image compositing:94.224960 Threads (50): 88.191353 Threads (100): 100.490700 Dhrystone: 408.269806 Floating Point: 268.203400 Integer: 275.514709 Trig: 1123.145630 Seeking: 249.658249 Writes: 46.484921 Seq. reads: 391.962372 Random reads: 239.825027 These numbers are relative to a NeXTstation Color (25 MHz) (which has a value of 100). The total tensor value is 241. As a comparison, the Dell DGX has a value of 157. Ross. PS: If you are interested in the ALR, call them at 800-444-4ALR for details. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
From: spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu (Ben Bernhard) Newsgroups: blgtn.cohorts,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help!! (is stupid typo) Message-ID: <1993Aug15.160259.480@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 16:02:59 GMT Sender: ben@cs.indiana.edu Organization: frogware I blew it and accidently deleted a rather important file in cnews: /usr/local/bin/news/input/newsrun If anybody out there is running CNEWS on a black NEXTSTEP machine, please e-mail me a copy of this file. otherwise: can somebody mail be the CNews source so I can recompile? thanks, ben --- __________________________________________________________________________ Ben Bernhard (NeXTMail Pref.) "Nothing that results from human progress 812/339-5304 (fax) is achieved with unanimous consent." spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu ---Christopher Columbus -- __________________________________________________________________________ Ben Bernhard (NeXTMail Pref.) "Nothing that results from human progress 812/339-5304 (fax) is achieved with unanimous consent."
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Objective-C++ in NS Developer 3.2? Questions about Obj-C++. Date: 15 Aug 1993 17:44:10 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: na Message-ID: <24mana$aaq@digifix.digifix.com> References: <53371@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Mark Stankus writes > In Article: 1155 of comp.sys.next.announce, > cgeiger@NeXT.COM says that in developer 3.2 > C++ Support > > - libg++ - The GNU libg++, v2.3, C++ class libraries are being > added to the release. On-line documentation for the library is > being added as well. > Now, I am not as up on GNU as I should be, so I don't know if this > means that the newest compiler with both objective-c and > c++ is going to be available or not? Is it? Does this > mean that libg++ and appkit can be used in the same program? For examples of something quite similar to this, you might want to grab ImagePortfolio from orst or sonata. It is a full source code application that does some bizzare things and compiles with Obj++ flags of some sort. [The application is also very cool on its own!] -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <1993Aug15.130911.1710@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 13:09:11 GMT In article <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jmb@merit.edu (Jim Blum) writes: > I just ran a ps -aux on my 486/50DX2 with 20 megs of ram. Guess what? > the window server takes up 30% of the system memory! Between the > window server, the kernel, and other little things my system uses over > 60% of its memory! I could understand NEXTSTEP needing 8 megs to run, > but over 12 megs of RAM just to load the system? Someone needs to trim > this thing down to size. > > There is one other very intresting thing. The CPU utilization for the > whole system was under 25%. Nice to see that NEXTSTEP dosen't really > eat CPU time and memory. > I know this sermon already very well. It reappears with every new OS! : "Once upon at time UNIX was a nice and small system!" : And how these fairy tales all go. But nobody is still running version 7 on a PDP 11 with two RD05s! Compare the bang NS is delivering to OS/2 and than complain on the memory consumption again. Modern software design methods spend memory freely. They deliver other advantages instead. Nobody (well, almost) is considering bringing memory consumption down instead of adding new features, 'cause it's new features that sell systems, not memory usage (well, amost. See above ;-)! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The most good-looking program Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 15:32:23 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Distribution: world Message-ID: <deluxe-150893153223@17.220.88.2> References: <24l3nl$hks@cc.tut.fi> In article <24l3nl$hks@cc.tut.fi>, t146678@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Tuominen Juha) wrote: > What do you think, what's the most beatiful program for NeXT? I tried > to find some very good-looking programs, but only two came up: > Improve and Communicae. Of course my program collection is not that > wide so I'd like to know if there are any great PD programs for NS2.1 > with beatiful user-interface. The color version of NeXTMAIL is damn nice, IMHO. It makes most Macintosh programs look two-dimensional by comparison. -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: kane@cs.purdue.edu (Christopher Kane) Subject: Update: Disabling power off and reboot under NS 3.1 (NeXT hardware) Message-ID: <CBtnon.60H@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: patch loginwindow reboot power key button 3.1 Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 22:26:46 GMT This posting in an update to my previous posting, "Loginwindow buttons: patch to remove them". It presents more patches to disable (nearly) all the power off-type functionality NeXT so kindly provides, brokenly, in NeXTSTEP 3.1, and clarifies some points of that previous posting. It also gives a pointer to where details about what the patches do can be found. **NOTE** **NOTE** **NOTE** These patches apply only to the NeXTSTEP 3.1 distribution for NeXT hardware. Under NeXTSTEP 3.1, 1) the login window has two buttons labeled "Reboot" and "Power" that allow a user to reboot and power down from the login window. 2) the PowerOffDisabled loginwindow default is ignored by the Workspace. 3) the Workspace Manager displays a button labeled "Power Off" in the Log Out panel. All of these features may be undesirable in a public lab. The PowerOffDisabled default can be used to disable the buttons in the login window, but they are still shown and push in when clicked (a bad user interface decision, IMHO). The program below patches the loginwindow.app, Workspace.app, and WM.app to: 1) remove the two buttons from the login window altogether 2) make the Power key ignored by Workspace.app (i.e., when someone is logged in) 3) removes the Power Off button from WM.app's Log Out panel Note that the Power key is not disabled while at the login window. These patches has been applied to the NeXT machines in the NeXT lab at Purdue and no adverse effects have been noted. An archive with the program below, a compiled executable of it, and a README file with details about the patches has been submitted to the archive site at sonata.cc.purdue.edu as poweroff-3.1-patches.tar.Z Christopher J. Kane kane@cs.purdue.edu --------cut here--------cut here--------cut here-------- /* * These patches apply only to the NeXTSTEP 3.1 distribution for NeXT hardware. * * Patches the loginwindow.app (of NeXTSTEP 3.1) to * - remove the restart and power buttons from the login window * * Patches the Workspace.app (of NeXTSTEP 3.1) to * - (effectively) ignore the power key * - remove the "Power Off" button from the Log Out alert panel * (a panel not usually seen, I think) * * Patches the WM.app (of NeXTSTEP 3.1) to * - remove the "Power Off" button from the Log Out alert panel * * Patches might be selectively applied by commenting out the appropriate * function call(s) in main(), below; however, this has not been fully tested. * * The effects listed above are produced regardless of the PowerOffDisabled * default's setting. This patch only causes the power key to be ignored * while the Workspace.app/WM.app is running; the power key is still "active" * at the login window. To disable the power key at the login window, set * the loginwindow's PowerOffDisabled default from a shell (as root): * dwrite loginwindow PowerOffDisabled YES * * This program must be run as root to work correctly. You should have backups * of the affected files before running this program, just in case. Log out * and log in as user 'exit' at the login window to have these changes "take * affect". * * THIS PROGRAM IS DISTRIBUTED WITHOUT WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. * * Christopher J. Kane (kane@cs.purdue.edu) * Released into public domain; August 15, 1993. */ #include <libc.h> #include <errno.h> #define ERR(S) do {fprintf(stderr, "%s: %s: %s\n", argv[0], \ S, strerror(errno)); exit(1);} while(0) unsigned char loginpatch[8] = {0x0, 0x0, 0x42, 0x80, 0x4e, 0x5e, 0x4e, 0x75}; unsigned char wspatch1[2] = {0x42, 0x80}; unsigned char wspatch2[6] = {0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x42, 0xa7}; unsigned char wspatch3[3] = {0x01, 0xf8, 0xaa}; unsigned char wspatch4[4] = {0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71}; unsigned char wspatch5[2] = {0x42, 0x80}; unsigned char wmpatch1[42] = {0x42, 0xa7, 0x48, 0x79, 0x0, 0x05, 0xd2, 0x2a, 0x48, 0x79, 0x0, 0x05, 0xd1, 0xf7, 0x45, 0xf9, 0x0, 0x0, 0x9c, 0x62, 0x4e, 0x92, 0x58, 0x4f, 0x2e, 0x80, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x4e, 0x71}; unsigned char wmpatch2[2] = {0x60, 0x24}; void patch_loginwindow(char *argv[]) { int file; fprintf(stdout, "Patching loginwindow (1 patch)...\n"); file = open("/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow", O_WRONLY); if (-1==file) ERR("open[loginwindow]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 21170, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[loginwindow patch]"); if (-1==write(file, loginpatch, 8)) ERR("write[loginwindow patch]"); if (-1==close(file)) ERR("lseek[loginwindow]"); } void patch_workspace(char *argv[]) { int file; fprintf(stdout, "Patching Workspace (5 patches)...\n"); file = open("/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/Workspace", O_WRONLY); if (-1==file) ERR("open[Workspace]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 106084, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[Workspace patch 1]"); if (-1==write(file, wspatch1, 2)) ERR("write[Workspace patch 1]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 106714, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[Workspace patch 2]"); if (-1==write(file, wspatch2, 6)) ERR("write[Workspace patch 2]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 106723, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[Workspace patch 3]"); if (-1==write(file, wspatch3, 3)) ERR("write[Workspace patch 3]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 106782, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[Workspace patch 4]"); if (-1==write(file, wspatch4, 4)) ERR("write[Workspace patch 4]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 110158, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[Workspace patch 5]"); if (-1==write(file, wspatch5, 2)) ERR("write[Workspace patch 5]"); if (-1==fchmod(file, 06755)) ERR("chmod[Workspace]"); if (-1==close(file)) ERR("close[Workspace]"); } void patch_wm(char *argv[]) { int file; fprintf(stdout, "Patching WM (2 patches)...\n"); file = open("/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/WM", O_WRONLY); if (-1==file) ERR("open[WM]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 348828, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[WM patch 1]"); if (-1==write(file, wmpatch1, 42)) ERR("write[WM patch 1]"); if (-1==lseek(file, 349106, SEEK_SET)) ERR("lseek[WM patch 2]"); if (-1==write(file, wmpatch2, 2)) ERR("write[WM patch 2]"); if (-1==close(file)) ERR("close[WM]"); } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { patch_loginwindow(argv); patch_workspace(argv); patch_wm(argv); fprintf(stdout, "Completed successfully.\n"); exit(0); }
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The most good-looking program Message-ID: <19113@news.duke.edu> Date: 15 Aug 93 23:27:00 GMT References: <24l3nl$hks@cc.tut.fi> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Tuominen Juha writes > What do you think, what's the most beatiful program for NeXT? I'll vote for NoteBook, by Millenium Software Labs. (Aside from the Info Panel, which one can barely read...) Its UI is as intuitive as they come, and it's very understated--it doesn't scream "LOOK AT MY BELLS AND WHISTLES!!" like some equally-powerful apps might. A very thoughtfully-designed piece of work! Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Objective-C++ in NS Developer 3.2? Questions about Obj-C++. Message-ID: <1993Aug15.214847.11041@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <53371@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 21:48:47 GMT In article <53371@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > Hi, > > In Article: 1155 of comp.sys.next.announce, > > cgeiger@NeXT.COM says that in developer 3.2 > > > C++ Support [munch] > > Now, I am not as up on GNU as I should be, so I don't know if this > means that the newest compiler with both objective-c and > c++ is going to be available or not? Is it? Does this > mean that libg++ and appkit can be used in the same program? It a;ready can since 2.1 (I think) Since 3.0, you don't even have to use different fersions of the compiler front end, cc understands Objective-C++. > Along the same lines, in objective-c++ (is this the > new name, I saw someone post it like this once...) > returning one of the data elements through a function > call is expensive compared to using an in-line function > For example, > > - (int) rank { return r; } > > vs. > > inline Card::rank () {return r;} > > How well does objective-c++ allow you to do the second thing > inside an object whose specification is mostly in terms > of objective-c? In Obj-C++, there are two distinct types of objects, C++ and Obj-C. You cannot inline a method call to an Obj-C object, because until run time, you don't know what kind of object you are sending the message to. It is often quite advantageous to inline a call to a C++ object (speed, etc.). In general, I would only use C++ for operations that are truely time-critical, because the loss of flexibility from dynamic binding, or for objects that are unlikely to need subclassing, such as a vector or matrix class. > Also, in the above example, r and rank are distinct for the > benefit of c++ but the r in the objective-c could be replaced > by rank. How is this resolved in objective-c++? Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean here. In either example, you have an instance variable named r, and a method named rank. If you mean that you can have both instance variables and methods with the same name in Obj-C, then that is really a non-problem because the two types of objects are distinct. Now, that's not to say that they can't work together. An Obj-C object can have a C++ object as an instance variable, and vice-versa. For a good example of how to integrate the two languages, look at /NextDevelopers/Examples/AppKit/CalculatorLab++. John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 70511.401@compuserve.com ("Rev. Frank Sabatte, CSP") MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at demon.demon.co.uk Subject: Slide Scanner for sale Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 21:46:42 +0000 Message-ID: <930815214642_70511.401_FHG58-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Mira 35 Slide Scanner for sale. Uses Adobe Photoshop plug in to operate. $800 or best offer. Call Frank M-Sat 9am-7pm at (310) 474-1527 since I don't check Email that often.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 70511.401@compuserve.com ("Rev. Frank Sabatte, CSP") MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at demon.demon.co.uk Subject: Slide scanner for sale Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 21:48:39 +0000 Message-ID: <930815214839_70511.401_FHG58-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Slide scanner for sale. Mira 35 slide scanner for MacIntosh. This is an update of the last message I posted. This scanner uses an Adobe PS plugin to operate. $800 or best offer.
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY:Revamped Developer Program? Date: 16 Aug 1993 01:25:06 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: world Message-ID: <24mnliINNol9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <24j8hl$5pr@hermes.athena.com> <24jiol$58a@digifix.digifix.com> In article <24jiol$58a@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: >Yes, it is being revamped. It took longer than expected because there was a >need to put some form of order management in place (since the order management >department went with the hardware). In my experience, NeXT is fortunate that its old Order Management went with the hardware. I hope that NeXT takes advantage of this stroke of good fortune by creating a really first-class Order Management operation that can find one's order info when called, that doesn't lose orders routinely, that can provide accurate shipping dates, etc. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Mr_b Subject: Re: What Gateway 2000 config. should I get? Message-ID: <93227.74730.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Sender: news@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com Organization: LMSC Date: Sun, 15 Aug 93 20:45:30 PDT I (Mr_b) said: :: I would greatly appreciate a posting by anyone who has recently :: purchasing a GATEWAY 2000 and successfully installing NEXTSTEP. Could :: you list what configuration you purchased and what worked and did not :: work for running NEXTSTEP. and austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) replied: :I just got my Gateway up with NEXTSTEP. I got there 486dx2/66v package :they have been advertising with the following upgrades: : - 24 meg ram : - 17" monitor : - ATI w/2meg video ram : - internal modem :The first problem I had was there CD-ROM is not SCSI and can't be used :so get yourself an Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller plus a real SCSI CD-ROM. :I got the IDE drive so didn't experience any of the wierd pop-the-cdrom- :out-at-the-exact-time problems. And some additional stuff. But I don't quite understand the remark about the CD-ROM and IDE drive. Could someone please elaborate? Would an Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller for both a SCSI CD-ROM and a large hard disk make Next life simpler? -- Mr_b Speaking for himself only. MR_B@LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 15:49:03 GMT Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer, nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem, schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors. In <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >library. I wish I knew of a way to check in any depth offhand... >but probably not a whole bunch is local to the application, only >56k is malloced, and most of the rest will be, what, stack? I'd /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProcessMonitor.app, Processes window, Select a process, Control Inspector, Select mach memory from the Popup, In pages box: click each page and check owner and state or look at the summary above. This is the only way to get detailed memory usage statistics about a NeXTstep program. ps is a completely inadequate tool for this purpose. I am missing a system real/vm memory analyse tool: I want to have a pixel or a small block for each page and different color for the various usages of memory. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, 24114 Kiel 1, +49 431 676689 "Das Z-NETZ geht unter. Uebrigens schon seit acht Jahren." -- Rainer Schaeffner
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Message-ID: <1319@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 16 Aug 93 05:35:57 GMT References: <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Scott Anguish writes > However to be lectured by a successful mass-market NEXTSTEP developer > on the situation, and how we don't need NeXT's stamp of approval is not useful. > > I guess now I can expect the inevitable flames from Dave, and I'm sure > that Glenn will jump on me about this too! :-) Not at all. I agree with you. NeXT does a pretty good job, though, all in all. You should try Apple's developer support sometime (not that I have tried in quite some time). You're lucky to get any personal attention whatsoever. Apple does have a nice CD-ROM developer product that they send out to developers, though, with sample sources, docs, and helpful stuff of various sorts. The trick to having a good developer support organization (I used to run one, at Adobe) is to correctly balance the needs of the many with the needs of the important few. Many, many, many "developers" never do anything but hack up their own toy programs. Some actually participate in the freeware/shareware community, which is a step up from that, and some few actually ship commercial products. It's tough to simultaneously provide excellent support for a developer like Lotus or Borland and also provide an adequate-to-useful level of support for everybody else. Part of it is being able to tell the difference between a small but serious developer and a dorm room hacker. It's expensive to guess wrong, which was David's point that they'll help you *after* you've shipped a viable product. They'll also help you if you can convince them that you are "worth" helping in the allocation-of-valuable-resources sense of "worth". That's easy if you're a key engineer on a killer product at Lotus, and harder if you're not. But that problem is not limited to NeXT. You'll actually get much better help from NeXT than most vendors, because they have so few large developers to deal with these days :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY:Revamped Developer Program? Message-ID: <1320@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 16 Aug 93 05:41:56 GMT References: <24mnliINNol9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Art Isbell writes > In my experience, NeXT is fortunate that its old Order Management went with the > hardware. I hope that NeXT takes advantage of this stroke of good fortune by > creating a really first-class Order Management operation that can find one's > order info when called, that doesn't lose orders routinely, that can provide > accurate shipping dates, etc. Sounds to me like a Mission-Critical Custom App front end to a database. I agree with you that it could use an overhaul. When we wanted to do a mailing to their customer list, they didn't even know who their customers were, for the most part. An outside service maintained the database, and it appeared only to have people who had actually sent in registration cards for NEXTSTEP 3.0. Let's hope it's efficient, in-house, and mission-critical this time. They probably have some good NEXTSTEP programmers around who could do it! -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: who is that girl in the picture? (was Re: I've had a GOOD experience with NeXTWORLD) Message-ID: <1321@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 16 Aug 93 05:44:19 GMT References: <930813.235803.1Y7.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Russell Schulz writes > (note complete lack of mention of typo in the puzzles section. is > its Scott Kim the same one who did _Inversions_?) Yes, it's the same Scott Kim. His office is about a block from ours in Palo Alto. He's got a PhD from Stanford in Computer Science, too. Neat guy. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: phil@cnam.cnam.fr (Philippe Provost) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Preserving Install procedures... Date: 16 Aug 1993 11:20:38 +0200 Organization: Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers, Paris, France Distribution: world Message-ID: <24njh6$rhv@cnam.cnam.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I think it is the right time to get a sort of FAQ for installing NSI3.1 (except if that FAq already exists). So I would like to get ALL the problems with their answers people have faced with NS for intel. The resulting summary will be available to all and sent to the group every three month, (are available thru ftp). Thank you for your cooperation. Phil Ps: ALL that correspondance MUST be sent to: phil@tunis.polytechnique.fr -- ============================================================================= Provost Philippe phil@cnam.cnam.fr NeXT Registered developper Veille Technologique Armee de Terre " La vie est tellement extraordinaire lorsque l'Amour est sa compagne"
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: inews guru needed Message-ID: <1993Aug16.075357.6502@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: 16 Aug 93 07:53:57 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Help requested installing inews on a 3.0 slab. (Trn is working nicely otherwise.) Clueless, -- kc
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: generating postscript from Diagram!2 documents Message-ID: <70345@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 13 Aug 93 18:47:55 GMT References: <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <CBKI6L.CFo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jashley@cs.indiana.edu writes: > I'm trying to produce a postscript file from a diagram I have. I've > tried saving it as EPS and clicking the 'save' button on the Print > panel. In both cases, I can't get the resulting file to print on a non-NeXT printer. dont save it, print it to a file. the print panel has several buttons at the bottom so you can do different things with the generated postscipt (preview, fax etc) one of the buttons lets you direct the postscript to a file instead of the printer. there are options in the file-save panel that affect the final PostScript. you probably dont need to change them. I dont know whether this will fix your particular problem, (it should) but its certainly easier than creating an eps file and then trying to convert that. eps is for diagrams smaller than one page to be included in other docs, its not appropriate for entire documents. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: jmb@merit.edu (Jim Blum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Date: 13 Aug 1993 19:16:38 GMT Organization: Merit Network, Inc. Ann Arbor, MI Distribution: world Message-ID: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE I just ran a ps -aux on my 486/50DX2 with 20 megs of ram. Guess what? the window server takes up 30% of the system memory! Between the window server, the kernel, and other little things my system uses over 60% of its memory! I could understand NEXTSTEP needing 8 megs to run, but over 12 megs of RAM just to load the system? Someone needs to trim this thing down to size. There is one other very intresting thing. The CPU utilization for the whole system was under 25%. Nice to see that NEXTSTEP dosen't really eat CPU time and memory. jmb@merit.edu
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 13 Aug 1993 15:09:58 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <24gou6$3t3@digifix.digifix.com> I read in the current NeXTWORLD that NeXT had revamped the developer program. I was also told that this was going to be happening by a few others over the past 3 months. Has this happened? -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep Really Need 400 MB Free? In-Reply-To: tcmay@netcom.com's message of Fri, 13 Aug 1993 03:36:23 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug13155032@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 20:50:32 GMT I recently installed NS/FIP User and Devt systems on a Gateway 2000 box. I will post my experiences along those lines when I consolidate my thoughts. On the Diskk space front, I ordered a 424 IDE for the Next OS stuff, knowing what the consumption was supposed to be. On the User install I blew off the install of the Digital Webster and Shakespeare (I'll stay retro for now) and the User stuff took the full 120MB they predicted. On the Devt side, I put up the three recommended suites: forgotten the names, but they included the full bookshelf set (sysADM and NeXTSTEP Devt docs) and it only consumed 85MB more of the system pack. Feel I must be missing something, or they include the full GNU sources in the 400MB estimate. This is good news indeed. I have tried to get them to send me the GNU source on media. Met with a dead end on the 800-try-next number. Where do I get it? What did I fail to install? Maybe the other 200MB are reserved for swap space. Anyway, I'm enjoying the compact (205MB) full install! -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep Really Need 400 MB Free? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.intel Date: 13 Aug 1993 20:30:12 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <24gtkk$681@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <tcmayCBoI0p.B4I@netcom.com> This discussion is relevant---at least for those of us interested in laptops with their 200MB effective limitation. I tried to get myself an idea of how much disk space I would need. Here is my rough idea of a system that can do basic TeX, standard Unix compiles, but lacks the GUI development apps and docs. Kill non-Unix-man-pages docs [42MB] Kill Literature = [9MB] Kill References, even Websters[44MB] Total= 50MB = Kill 100MB Remaining (just looking through my own system), I need at least: 15MB binaries (/usr/etc/ /bin /usr/ucb /usr/bin) 36MB /usr/lib 5MB /usr/shlib 14MB /NextAdmin, /NextApps 10MB /NextLibrary/Fonts, Unix Man and other unavoidables 7MB TeX <10MB gcc include headers [ no appkit ], various forgotton stuff ------ 100MB +20MB /private/vm (swapfile) ----- 120MB If I included everything important (and I am not sure!!), I figure I can run NS on a portable. Otherwise, its OS/2 (or perhaps linux) for me. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andy@philo.mcgill.ca(Andrew Burday) Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug13.212140.25196@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University References: <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 21:21:40 GMT In article <CBKw3z.9zp@news.iastate.edu> tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: > > So. . . . . . . for this week's top ten list, how about a list of what > "further actions" should be taken :) > > I'll start with #10: > > 10) Perpetrator has to sit through all 200 hours of Dan Quayle reciting > his "memoirs" to ghost writer. > > :) > 9) Perpetrator ports Microphone to Windoze, all proceeds going to SVC. That should take the twerp the rest of his pathetic little life. A. Burday andy@philo.mcgill.ca
Message-ID: <nz$@byu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 15:24:00 MDT From: yackd@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <24gou6$3t3@digifix.digifix.com> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? In article <24gou6$3t3@digifix.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: >I read in the current NeXTWORLD that NeXT had revamped the developer program. > >I was also told that this was going to be happening by a few others over the >past 3 months. > > >Has this happened? Good question! Has anyone seen the info on this yet? My group has called NeXT and asked them to send us the full info on this and they told us it wasn't ready yet and that we'll see it in a few months. In the meantime they keep sending us copies of the white papers we picked up at expo. NeXT: Do you want developers on NS or not? We don't need more white papers. We _have_ NEXTSTEP already. We want contacts, support, etc., as developers!!! The two months we were told it would take have long since lapsed; this is most unimpressive. Later, Don_Yacktman@byu.edu -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: kane@cs.purdue.edu (Christopher Kane) Subject: Loginwindow buttons: patch to remove them Message-ID: <CBpz3r.37n@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: patch loginwindow reboot power button 3.1 Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 22:43:03 GMT Under NeXTSTEP 3.1, the login window has two buttons labeled "Reboot" and "Power" that allow a user to reboot and power down from the login window. In a public lab, this feature may be undesirable. The PowerOffDisabled default can be used to disable the buttons, but they are still shown in the window and push in when clicked (a bad user interface decision, IMHO). The program below patches the loginwindow.app to eradicate the restart and power buttons. It makes the loginwindow.app's LoginButton class instance method initWithImage:altImage:andString: a no-op (just return nil). This patch has been applied to the machines in the NeXT lab at Purdue (like sonata.cc.purdue.edu for instance), and no adverse effects have been noted. This program must be run as root, since it writes to the file /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow. An archive with a compiled executable has been submitted to sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Christopher J. Kane kane@cs.purdue.edu -----cut here----------cut here----------cut here----- /* * Patches the loginwindow.app to eradicate the restart and power * buttons from the login window. * * Christopher J. Kane (kane@cs.purdue.edu) * Released into public domain; August 13, 1993. */ #include <libc.h> #include <errno.h> void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { unsigned char patch[8] = {0x0, 0x0, 0x42, 0x80, 0x4e, 0x5e, 0x4e, 0x75}; int file = open("/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow", O_WRONLY); if (-1==file) goto error; if (-1==lseek(file, 21170, SEEK_SET)) goto error; if (-1==write(file, patch, 8)) goto error; if (-1==close(file)) goto error; exit(0); error: fprintf(stderr, "%s: %s\n", argv[0], strerror(errno)); exit(1); }
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Help:Printing doc. w/PS figures(from Mathematica) Message-ID: <1993Aug14.005454.28919@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 00:54:54 GMT Hi, I have a problem in printing documents with PS figures which generated from Mathematica, and I wonder if anyone have got the same problem. I usually use mathematica v2.0.4 to generate an array of plots and use the "psfix" program from mathematica to save them in an EPS file. This figures will then be included in my documents prepared with FrameMaker v3.0. Since I don't have a printer, I will save a PS version of the document and send it to my school account either with modem or floppy. Most of the figure except the one made with mathematica will print OK. Sometimes I could still print the page if I add a space in the first line of the file, between "%!" and "PS" with unknown reason. But now, It doesn't work any more.....The page contains the figure will just die and never come out. I'm pretty sure it only happen if I include PS figures from Mathematica since other EPS file from Diagram and SciPlots are just fine. The printers in school I used are HP-PA700 with HP-LJ4 and SUN-IPC with HP-LJ3. The NeXT is a 040/25 monocube with NS3.1. Any help would be appreciate, Thanks in advance, Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Why NeXTSTEP is better! (Was Re: ** RightBrain ...) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 23:57:30 GMT Message-ID: <CBq2Ju.CFF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <24eivb$li@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana In article <24eivb$li@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: > In article <1993Aug12.211904.18401@leland.Stanford.EDU> > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > David J. Fischer writes [previous discussion deleted for brevity;besides, you've read it already] > Whoa there! Why do we have an object oriented system? I would like to see a > "magic" link to the originating program. For instance I'm using Paste-Up and I > want to edit my equation, I Cmd-click the equation and voila I'm in > EquationBuilder (or another program the data originates from) and edit the > equation. When I'm finished I'm doing a "Save-and-Return" and I'm back in > Paste-Up. One could even expand it in such a way that for instance when doing a > spell-check for a table Paste-Up askes the orginating program in which the > table was made to spell-check the table and return its results to Paste-Up > again. (Glenn, can I get paid for this? ;-))) > This would mean that finally some advance has been made using objects for > inter-operability between apps, and would mean for the future that the notion > of apps would dissappear... Which would fulfill S.J.'s dream (I can remember > him saying something along these lines in the first article about NeXTSTEP in a > Byte in 1988/9)... In the meantime, before apps disappear :-), I rejoice in the spirit of the NeXT community! Right now in the c.s.n.* newsgroups we have threads going or starting about 3 shrinkwrapped apps (1 shipping, 2 coming: Paste-Up, NewGrazer Pro, Mesa 2). The market itself is exercising a very real-time influence on the development of these products; the manufacturers are getting priceless, well-though-out advice on exactly what features their customers want! (sure, there's some flamage, but it's trivial campared to the substantive input I've seen posted) Since most NeXTSTEP developers are small outfits, and since we're a small community, this all strikes me as a very healthy, neighborly, democratic way to do things. Yay! Burbling Enthusiastically, Steve Weintz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <CBq7Dr.74@unix.portal.com> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 01:41:50 GMT In article <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jmb@merit.edu (Jim Blum) writes: >I just ran a ps -aux on my 486/50DX2 with 20 megs of ram. Guess what? >the window server takes up 30% of the system memory! Between the >window server, the kernel, and other little things my system uses over >60% of its memory! I could understand NEXTSTEP needing 8 megs to run, but >over 12 megs of RAM just to load the system? Someone needs to trim this thing >down to size. > >There is one other very intresting thing. The CPU utilization for the whole >system was under 25%. Nice to see that NEXTSTEP dosen't really eat CPU time >and memory. > >jmb@merit.edu > Is it possible that the window server was using the memory just because it was available, not because it "needed" it? Would the memory drop if you had less system memory, or if you began launching lots of apps that themselves needed lots of memory. I would call it a memory hog only if it took the memory, and then wouldn't give it back on request. Otherwise, its just good swap management. Duane -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Duane Takamine duane@shell.portal.com Island CD Creations Madd Hacker Productions Home of the Sound Site CDROM - nearly 1400 mods on disc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: How can I get an image as a background on the screen? Message-ID: <thompsonCBqAHs.9LD@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 02:49:04 GMT Is there a program that will put an image in the background of the screen? (Like 'xloadimage -onroot' for X?) thanks, Eric
From: shin@esug.co.jp (Sugou Shinichirou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: DataBag delivery is started. Message-ID: <SHIN.93Aug14122507@sgtp.esug.co.jp> Date: 14 Aug 93 03:25:07 GMT Sender: shin@sgtp.esug.co.jp Distribution: comp Organization: SG Total Planning, Japan We, SGPT, happily announces that we have started to deliver Databag. About DataBag ============= Using NeXT computer for the daily work, you often come across information/data which you want to save for later use. In such a case, use DataBag instead of the ordinal NeXTSTEP SavePanel. DataBag is a Personal Data Archiver application, which has the following aspects: (1) DataBag manages your valuable data for you. With DataBag, you can collect data in one place. Collecting them in one place generates many merits. (2) What you have to do is only one thing. Transfer data to DataBag using NeXTSTEP data input operation like Cut&Paste, file dragging, or Services Menu etc.. And DataBag takes care of the somewhat tedious settlement which is commonly associated with data management. For example, you need not to worry about the file name for data, nor about the key definition for later data search. (3) With DataBag, you can save all the data types which NeXTSTEP officially offers. Saving Emacs buffer/region content is also possible. (4) For data search, DataBag uses Librarian. The filter service program, with which Librarian can recognize DataBag data-format, is included. Because Librarian has powerful indexing function, it enables incredible fast search even if the data storage becomes large quantities. (5) You can launch data resided on the DataBag window by double clicking. This feature reduces the necessity of WorkSpace. Requirement =========== DataBag requires NEXTSTEP 3.0 or more. NEXTSTEP 2.* is unsuitable. We are delivering Black hardware version, but if you request, White hardware (Intel) version is also available now. Price ===== US$XXX.XX. We don't provide the educational price. How to Get DataBag Demo Version =============================== We will place DataBag demo version in some ftp-site in a week or so. Besides ftp, we can send it by e-mail(NeXTMail). The e-mail size is about 700Kbyte. If you prefer snail mail to e-mail, sending it by a floppy is also available. Please let us know your address in the latter case. The demo version can save maximum 50 data. Because 50 data is somewhat large quantities for a normal NeXT user, we think that you can experience DataBag thoroughly. Complete on-line manual is included in the demo version. Our Address =========== SGTP Nishi-Shinjuku 3-111-4 Hasuda city, Saitama pref. Japan 349-01 voice: 81-48-769-9560 (We can't speak English. Japanese only!) fax: 81-48-769-5154 e-mail: info@esug.co.jp Any questions/requests are welcome. Thank you. -- Shin'ichirou Sugou (NeXTmail acceptable)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I get an image as a background on the screen? Date: 13 Aug 1993 23:52:21 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <24hnhl$1ah@digifix.digifix.com> References: <thompsonCBqAHs.9LD@netcom.com> Eric Thompson writes > Is there a program that will put an image in the background of > the screen? (Like 'xloadimage -onroot' for X?) > > thanks, > Eric Yes.. Background should be on both cs.orst.edu and nova.cc.purdue.edu. I think the latest version is archived as Background3.tar.Z -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <Aug16.144355.25083@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 14:43:55 GMT References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE > /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProcessMonitor.app, Processes window, > Select a process, Control Inspector, Select mach memory from > the Popup, In pages box: click each page and check owner and > state or look at the summary above. That was my recollection as well, and I checked it while writing my post. Oddly enough, ProcessMonitor seems to have lost the "Mach Memory" inspector under 3.1. Can anyone else verify this? -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Upgrade '030 Cube to NS 3.1? Message-ID: <CBux0J.5I0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Aug11.123148.19427@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 14:45:54 GMT In article <1993Aug11.123148.19427@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> writes: > I have 8 original '030 NeXT Cubes I would like to upgrade from NS 2.0 to > NS 3.1. However, these machines only have the Optical read write drives > in them, and I am told a CD-Rom drive cannot be hooked up to them without > a hardware upgrade. Luckily, it's a lie. You can jack it right in if you have a cable. The cable is different from the '040 cube cable, but the same as a Mac or Amiga one. It is true, however, that you won't be able to boot from the CD-ROM. If you write a new boot block on an OD as in the instructions, it won't work. The block given in the 3.1 release is wrong. Get one from the 3.0 release. If you don't have the 3.0 release, you might be in trouble. If you just want to upgrade from scratch, write the boot block to an OD, hook up the CD-ROM drive, and boot from OD. Works fine. If you don't, you probably need to run UpgradePrep.app from the 3.0 release first so it can handle CD file systems. I think that's on the 3.1 release too, but it comes on floppy, of course. I haven't looked at the 3.1 floppy, having not needed it. > 2) Can the 3.1 distribution fit on a 256 meg optical disk if I copied it > using a machine with a CD-ROM? (also, can the development rom be copied > onto another one?). You can install a working 3.1 development system on an OD from a machine running 3.1 if you leave out Literature and some of the other stuff (use BuildDisk). Without the developers' stuff, I think it's 69MB, with it, I know it's 127MB ('cause it's in my drive right now). > Any suggestions on how I could get a 3.1 upgrade insatalled on these would > be greatly appreciated. Looking for minimal costs above the upgrade cost. I did ten of these in the last week. Well, I went from 3.0 (I did 2.1 -> 3.0 last year), but It Just Works, trust me. The hardest part will be getting UpgradePrep off floppy. After that, it's cake. Slow, but easy. :-) If you need any gritty help, I might be able to give you suggestions. 3.1 goes faster on '030s than 3.0 did. NetInfo in 3.0 is much faster than in 2.1, so you probably want to upgrade (and upgrade any NetInfo servers first) for the speed if nothing else. Allen B (No, sonata's an '040- it's the rest of them)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rab@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Brennan) Subject: Re: What Gateway 2000 config. should I get? Message-ID: <CBux4K.20v.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: <93227.74730.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 14:48:16 GMT In article <93227.74730.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Mr_b writes: > I (Mr_b) said: > :: I would greatly appreciate a posting by anyone who has recently > :: purchasing a GATEWAY 2000 and successfully installing NEXTSTEP. Could > :: you list what configuration you purchased and what worked and did not > :: work for running NEXTSTEP. > > > and austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) replied: > :I just got my Gateway up with NEXTSTEP. I got there 486dx2/66v package > :they have been advertising with the following upgrades: > : - 24 meg ram > : - 17" monitor > : - ATI w/2meg video ram > : - internal modem > > :The first problem I had was there CD-ROM is not SCSI and can't be used > :so get yourself an Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller plus a real SCSI CD-ROM. > :I got the IDE drive so didn't experience any of the wierd pop-the-cdrom- > :out-at-the-exact-time problems. > > And some additional stuff. But I don't quite understand the remark about > the CD-ROM and IDE drive. Could someone please elaborate? > Would an Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller for both a SCSI CD-ROM and a > large hard disk make Next life simpler? The adaptec 1542B with both a large hard disk (1G) and SCSI cdrom works just fine. However if you intend to use sound there are definite problems with the adaptec 1542B and the proaudio spectrum. If anyone has any idea what scsi adapter works with the gateway 2000 4dx2-66v (with scsi disk and scsi cdrom) and also does not conflict with the proaudio spectrum, I would love to hear it. Thanks, Bob -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Brennan | | Carnegie Mellon University email: Robert_Brennan@cmu.edu | | School of Computer Science phone: 412-268-3806 | | 5000 Forbes Avenue fax: 412-452-6763 | | Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: Printer Banner Pages Help! Message-ID: <1993Aug16.150921.28224@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: Printer, Banner Pages Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:09:21 GMT I have successfully setup my printer so that it produces a banner page for each printout. But how do you stop it from producing multiple banner pages whnen you request two or more copies of the same document? I would appreciate some help, we want to save some trees, O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Date: 16 Aug 1993 15:59:49 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <24oatl$85a@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> In article <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) writes: > In <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: > >library. I wish I knew of a way to check in any depth offhand... > >but probably not a whole bunch is local to the application, only > >56k is malloced, and most of the rest will be, what, stack? I'd > > /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProcessMonitor.app, Processes window, > Select a process, Control Inspector, Select mach memory from > the Popup, In pages box: click each page and check owner and > state or look at the summary above. > What am I doing wrong? The Processes window is always empty whenever I start this application. Nothing to monitor for me therefore. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (charles d. kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: xmosaic on NeXT? Date: 16 Aug 1993 15:59:30 GMT Organization: University of Florida Message-ID: <24oat2INN2vq@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, I found an unsupported version of xmosaic for the NeXT on an ftp site, ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu, I believe. Actually, there were two versions, 1.0 and 1.1. However, when I downloaded them and made them executable, I got an error message about my libraries. I assume that it is because I am still in NS2.1 (yes, yes, I know and I also use an outhouse. :-) and it's been compiled for NS3.0. Has anyone had any experience with this? Is the author listening? Am I right about the reason for the error? Will it run only under X-windows or does it have a NEXTSTEP UI? I am curious mainly for the reason in the last question. I have good access to xmosaic on another machine with my XNeXT, but if I can get it under NS, that would be better. Comments? Clues? Bits of old moldy bread for a poor graduate student? :-) -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group statman@stat.ufl.edu NeXTMail preferred
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: xmosaic on NeXT? Date: 16 Aug 1993 16:20:13 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <24oc3t$8pu@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <24oat2INN2vq@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> In article <24oat2INN2vq@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> statman@stat.ufl.edu (charles d. kincaid) writes: > > Hello, > > I found an unsupported version of xmosaic for the NeXT on an ftp > site, ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu, I believe. Actually, there were two versions, > 1.0 and 1.1. However, when I downloaded them and made them executable, I > got an error message about my libraries. I assume that it is because I am > still in NS2.1 (yes, yes, I know and I also use an outhouse. :-) and it's > been compiled for NS3.0. > Has anyone had any experience with this? Is the author listening? > Am I right about the reason for the error? Will it run only under > X-windows or does it have a NEXTSTEP UI? > I am curious mainly for the reason in the last question. I have > good access to xmosaic on another machine with my XNeXT, but if I can get > it under NS, that would be better. > > Comments? Clues? Bits of old moldy bread for a poor graduate > student? :-) Yes, it only works under 3.x, and it only runs under xwindows. I use it with co-Xist, but it seems to run under other X-windows as well. Here is my original post about how to compile it: -------- I successfully compiled xmosaic 1.2 for the NeXTstep 3.1 running co-Xist/Motif. Follow the README to change the Makefiles as indicated. In src/Makefile, use the lines: # For Sun's and Ultrix: SYS_LIBS = In mo-www.c change line 504 from #if defined(ultrix) || defined(VMS) || defined(NeXT) || defined(M4310) || defined(vax) to: #if defined(ultrix) || defined(VMS) || defined(M4310) || defined(vax) xmosaic should now compile with only a few warning messages. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: NeXT Sighting in Communications Week, Aug. 9 Message-ID: <1993Aug16.163359.4048@oneworld.wa.com> Organization: OneWorld Enterprises/OneWorld Computing Resources References: <CBLL00.A8F@agedwards.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 16:33:59 GMT I was a little suspicious when they said of McCaw Cellular was "currently" using Nexts as if there was any other choice to do what they are doing.... Chris Cleeland (cleelacj@agedwards.com) wrote: : NeXT had gotten some good corrollary press coverage in an article : in the Aug. 9 Communications Week did on WilTel's "Big Project" : starting on p. 1 and continued on p. 57. Though the focus is on : WilTel, NeXT gets good mention in several places. : : -- : ============================================================================== : Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com : BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 : | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: eric@whyanext.whyanext.com (Eric Schwartz) Subject: Bizarre request for NeXTmail attachment fans.. Message-ID: <ERIC.93Aug16111526@whyanext.whyanext.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: WhyaNeXT, Inc. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 19:15:26 GMT Hi, I am creating a NeXTmail birthday card for my girlfriend who is about to return from vacation. I'm trying to make a really snazzy message with lots of attachments - sounds, embedded TIFFs, and other applications that do interesting things when you click 'em. I'm also collecting voice clips (for Lip Service) via telephone from friends of hers that don't live nearby, so she can listen to birthday greetings from those people. (By the way, does anyone know how to change the lip TIFF that the Lip Service messages use, on a one-by-one basis?) This may seem like a bizarre request, but as Raquel (aka 'Rocky') is a net user and e-mail personality, I'd like to collect a few NeXTmail birthday greetings from people around the country and hopefully around the world. I don't think it really matters that she will not know these people, since it would be meaningful enough just to know that people would take the time to do something like this. (Do people really send anonymous people strange, entertaining e-mail messages on their birthdays? People do.) Also, I'm just beginning to poke around with my MIDI keyboard again, which is attached to my serial port B. Can anyone send me some kind of MIDI demo that would play a MIDI tune on the keyboard, or at least as a normal sound (ideally "Happy Birthday" of course!) when you double click it? Although I can't ask for the world, I would again be very grateful and impressed if a talented programmer could throw together a real quick thing to play a MIDI file on serial port B, if such a thing doesn't already exist. And if you really get a kick out of this idea and have a bunch of people around the computer when you're really bored, sing Happy Birthday to Rocky and send it to me for inclusion in the message! Thanks a lot, and if you have any problems with my message being inappropriate to this newsgroup or something, please send mail to me and not back to the group. Send contributions to the birthday card to me via NeXTmail: eric@whyanext.com. I'll be sure to include them. :-) Eric -- Eric Schwartz eric@whyanext.com (NeXTmail spoken here) Have you ever run into someone who was gruntled, ruly, or peccable?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: SQL Server FOR NSI, SYBASE Compatible? Message-ID: <1993Aug16.172839.7892@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 17:28:39 GMT Subject line says it all. I need to run an SQL server on an Intel box that closely resembles SYBASE, as long as it uses a common SQL it should be fine. Does anyone know of NSI SQL servers that fit this bill? --- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com Encompass 919-460-3285
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wright@spock.glv.com (Jeff Wright) Subject: any NEXTSTEP file compare/merge *now*? Message-ID: <1993Aug16.174103.7972@glv.uucp> Keywords: diff,merge,compare,NEXTSTEP Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 17:41:03 GMT I just read the announcement about the prototype file merge tool in the NEXTSTEP 3.2 developer release. Does anybody know of a similar tool available now with a NEXTSTEP interface? I'm really only interested in comparison functionality and not merging... --Jeff Wright wright@spock.glv.com
Control: cancel <1993Aug16.140815.12181@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) Subject: cancel <1993Aug16.140815.12181@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Message-ID: <1993Aug16.194138.4297@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 19:41:38 GMT cancel <1993Aug16.140815.12181@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: running an intel box from a next turbo via softpc Message-ID: <1993Aug16.191551.8036@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 19:15:51 GMT A simple question but perhaps a complicated answer. Would it be possible to connect a PC to a Next turbo running 3.1 and access the intel via SoftPC so that I am using the Next monitor and keyboard but the intel CPU. Thanks for the help
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Re: How to add a 2.88 floppy drive to a Cube? Message-ID: <1993Aug16.202251.29982@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated References: <24eu90$pvb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 20:22:51 GMT In article <24eu90$pvb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu) writes: > I have an 25 mHz 68040 Cube with an optical > drive. I am tired of borrowing people's NeXT Station > to load software from floppies and am thinking of > adding an 2.88 floppy drive to my Cube. > > I remember that there were some discussion on > this subject in the past. People mentioned that you > can get a Teac 2.88 drive and hook up the ribbon > connector to the slot on the motherboard inside the Cube. > Someone also mentioned that the drive should have the auto-eject > capability. > > I am looking for more specific details from anybody > who has actually did the installation. For example, which > company, specific model #, any caveat during installation, etc.? > Are the PC mail order places listed in computer shopper OK? > Do I have to specifically ask for the ribbon connector? > Is there more than one type of ribbon connector? In comp.sys.next.misc article <24eu90$pvb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> you wrote: > I have an 25 mHz 68040 Cube with an optical > drive. I am tired of borrowing people's NeXT Station > to load software from floppies and am thinking of > adding an 2.88 floppy drive to my Cube. > > I remember that there were some discussion on > this subject in the past. People mentioned that you > can get a Teac 2.88 drive and hook up the ribbon > connector to the slot on the motherboard inside the Cube. > Someone also mentioned that the drive should have the auto-eject > capability. > > I am looking for more specific details from anybody > who has actually did the installation. For example, which > company, specific model #, any caveat during installation, etc.? > Are the PC mail order places listed in computer shopper OK? > Do I have to specifically ask for the ribbon connector? > Is there more than one type of ribbon connector? > > Any way, thanks for your help in advance. > > Best regards, > > Benson M. Wu > bmwu@athena.mit.edu > I installed a floppy in my cube. I got the drive from Cube Route. They supplied the cable but I had to get the mount kit elsewhere. This is no big deal as it's the standard drive mount kit which works on all that PC garbage. Hooking up the drive is simple, but mounting it is not as easy. You have to cut a slot in the cube's faceplate. I arranged my system with the OD on top (full height), the floppy in the middle and a half height HD on the bottom. If you only have a half height hard disk and no OD, you may be able to align the floppy drive without having to cut the faceplate. You won't be able to mount the drive in a standard spot and line it up with the precut slot. Anyway, I'll assume you have an OD and explain how I set up such a system. First a warning. You will be drilling and cutting. Don't do this near any computer parts (boards, disks, power supply...) because metal filings are deadly. Also, this procedure worked for me on my cube. If your cube is different or if you screw up, don't blame me. My job is to shed light and not to master. You have to take the cube pretty much all the way apart. That is, remove the system board, power/disk tower, guide slots, motherboard, etc. It is pretty straight forward and kind of obvious how to do this. Bottom line is you have to remove the faceplate. I did some assemble/measure/disassemble loops until I figured out exactly where everything would fit. The floppy drive slot needs to be slightly above the bottom OD cutout. I drilled two lines of holes, one and two ridges over the cutout. Like this... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top part of plate - deleted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>******************>>>>>>>>> (holes drilled) >>>>>>>>******************>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>###############################>> >>###############################>> (bottom OD cutout) >>###############################>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the holes are drilled in the depression between ridges. Make the lines of holes a little wider than a floppy disk and centered. Measure first, save yourself potential agony. You can't buy a new faceplate and a whole new case (if they are available) is like $400. Take your time and be triple sure before you cut. Use new bits and expect to kill at least one of them. Then I took a file and evened off the new cutout. Probebly I should have used a router for a nice clean factory looking cut. Next time I take the thing apart... You also have to trim the piece that covers the bottom OD slot. Use a drill and whatever gnarly tools you need to remove the four middle tabs from one side of the piece so it looks like... __ __ __ __ /|| || | | || ||\ (O| |##########################| |O) \|| || || || || || || || ||/ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- This is where I screwed up. I cut this piece a little too close making the damage slightly visible. A bit of black magic marker in the appropriate spot covered this up, but next time I'll be more careful. Clean the faceplate and trim piece to get rid of any metal particles. So now you've got a faceplate with an extra hole in it and a trim piece with a few missing teeth. Put the faceplate and motherboard back in the cube. Mount the floppy in the drive tower. Slide the tower in to see where the drive lines up. You may have to experiment to find the proper orientation for the drive mount. What you are trying to do is get as close to lined up as you can with the predrilled holes. It won't line up well enough to use, so just get it as close as it goes. With the tower and faceplate installed, look thru the new cutout and see how far off you are. You will have to bring the floppy drive forward and either up or down (depending on your drive mount hardware). Mine had to go up about 1/4" and forward a bit more than that. Measure several times. Now remove the drive tower from the cube and take it apart. That is, remove the power supply and all drives so all you have is the metal bracket. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP! You have to drill new mounting holes as indicated by your measures. Drilling produces tiny metal flakes which can wreck your computer so you want the bracket free and clear. Drill the new holes and clean up the bracket. Reassemble. -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com 212-513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\) -<-@
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <CBvEF5.G7x@news.cis.umn.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> <Aug16.144355.25083@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:00:09 GMT The Mach Memory is indeed gone in 3.1. Running the 3.0 version of the app on 3.1 yields an alert panel that simply states: Mach Memory Inspector There is a problem with the Mach Memory Server Can't inspect Mach Memory OK bummer, eh? What's worse is that the info panel wears the same version number [2.0 (v19)]. A fine example of the need for an integrated version control system. peter Blake Stone (bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : > /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProcessMonitor.app, Processes window, : > Select a process, Control Inspector, Select mach memory from : > the Popup, In pages box: click each page and check owner and : > state or look at the summary above. : That was my recollection as well, and I checked it while writing : my post. Oddly enough, ProcessMonitor seems to have lost the : "Mach Memory" inspector under 3.1. Can anyone else verify this? : -- : Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation : Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR : bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | : | ... couldn't have been ME -- Bureaucratically speaking, I am a subversive to obstructionists... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 16 Aug 1993 17:36:46 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <24oulc$gdi@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) Subject: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Sender: news@cupnews0.cup.hp.com (News Admin) Message-ID: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 22:17:34 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard The catching enthusiasm of the NeXTStep users, convinced me to try the NeXTStep on my Intel based PC (to be truthful, the $300 offer convinced me even more :-) Before I ordered my copy of NS/FIP, I verified that my PC was on the list of compatible hardware (it was), and that it had enough RAM and disk space to run NS (it did). (Hardware: HP Vectra 486U/66, EISA, 20MB RAM, embedded Ultra VGA video, 240MB IDE drive, 430MB SCSI drive, AHA1740 SCSI-2 adapter, Toshiba XM3401 CD-ROM drive, 3.5" floppy drive;OS: OS/2 2.1 installed on the IDE drive) Well, it seems that NeXT stretched a little bit the list of compatible hardware. (That may bring them a few extra first time sales, but not many friends and repeat customers.) So far, I had no luck installing NS/FIP on my PC. The installation program simply can't find my CD-ROM drive. According to the instructions, you are supposed to set the CD-ROM drive at SCSI address 1. (By itself, this request shows how poorly conceived the installation process is. If you have an internal drive, and it doesn't happen to be installed at SCSI address 1, you have to open the computer box, take out the drive, change the jumpers, put it back ...) So, I installed my drive at SCSI address 1. Next, you are required to disable any IDE drives you have. Another less than intelligent request, but what can you do. So, I disable my IDE drive. Now I have the hard drive I want to install NS on at SCSI address 0, and the CD-ROM drive at SCSI address 1--as per instructions. Ready to try. Insert the 3.5" diskette in the floppy drive insert the CD-ROM in its drive, and restart the computer. The BIOS on the SCSI card confirms that I have an HP hard drive at address 0 and a Toshiba CD-ROM drive at address 1. I get the "loading mach kernel" message, then CPU: EISA id <some value> slot 4: EISA id <some value> (this is my AHA1740 SCSI adapter) slot f: EISA id <some value> (Hmm, I don't know what this is; I have 5 slots and only #4 is occupied) Now a warning: Warning: Using internal backup device configuration tables Then a failure: PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure (Why, it's there!) Some "Registering" messages follow, which seem to succeed, a "Resetting SCSI Bus" message (what's to be reset?), and a few more "Registering" messages for the floppy drive. Then: class `SMC16' not linked into application configureDriver: Couldn't find class named `SMC16' (I can't either!) class `EtherExpress16' not linked into application configureDriver: Couldn't find class named `EtherExpress16' (This is probably OK, I don't have an Ethernet interface card) Again a few "Registering" messages, then, the surprise :-( NO CD-ROM drive found use sd%d, hd%d or fd%d (of course I can't use these, the stuff is on CD-ROM!) At this point there was not much I could do, except send a message to "nextanswers." The information I received wasn't of much help, but it confirmed my suspicion that NeXT was not very honest when they included the Vectra 486U on the list of compatible hardware. I found out, for instance, that they disabled the embedded Ultra VGA video system and used instead the Ultra VGA card. Explanation: "card is required to display color under NEXTSTEP." (One small detail: the embedded video is in no way less capable than the card. Why the request to disable it and force the user to buy an extra card is beyond me.) Anyway, nothing about conditions that might cause the NS install program to not find the CD-ROM drive. (Unless the install program expects the SCSI card to be an ISA card, or to be configured in "standard" mode. If that turns out to be the case, I have no interest in making other attempts to install NS. I'll just write Mr. Jobs to thank him for taking my money.) If any of you, NeXT enthusiasts, have any suggestions, I would appreciate them very much. Valentin Bazavan bazavan@cup.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lbrahman@du.edu (.... Brahm ....) Subject: Archive site for Calibrator.app Message-ID: <CBvsKH.FAv@du.edu> Sender: news@du.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Denver Distribution: na Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:07:29 GMT Anyone knows where I can FTP Calibrator.app from Appsoft that I should have been getting for free from Appsoft when buying Image? Anyone also knows what is going on with Appsoft? They never give any response to inquiries/questions/complaints at all now? Are they in Chapter XI?? .... I hope so. Let someone else pick up and fllow up on their products. Appsoft's customer support and service just unprofessional and their presence is a big shame for NEXTSTEP community. Thanks for any info to this question? ...Brahm
From: spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu (Ben Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help!! (is stupid typo) now- thanks Message-ID: <1993Aug17.003957.3196@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 00:39:57 GMT References: <1993Aug15.160259.480@cs.indiana.edu> Sender: ben@cs.indiana.edu Organization: frogware Thanks for all the help. I got enough copies of the file to be safe for a while. :--) In article <1993Aug15.160259.480@cs.indiana.edu> spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu (Ben Bernhard) writes: > I blew it and accidently deleted a rather important file in cnews: > /usr/local/bin/news/input/newsrun > If anybody out there is running CNEWS on a black NEXTSTEP machine, please > e-mail me a copy of this file. > > otherwise: can somebody mail be the CNews source so I can recompile? > thanks, > ben > --- > __________________________________________________________________________ > Ben Bernhard (NeXTMail Pref.) "Nothing that results from human progress > 812/339-5304 (fax) is achieved with unanimous consent." > spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu ---Christopher Columbus > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > Ben Bernhard (NeXTMail Pref.) "Nothing that results from human progress > 812/339-5304 (fax) is achieved with unanimous consent." -- __________________________________________________________________________ Ben Bernhard (NeXTMail Pref.) "Nothing that results from human progress 812/339-5304 (fax) is achieved with unanimous consent."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: problems with foreign TIFFs Message-ID: <1993Aug17.023428.2868@proforma.com> Keywords: TIFF Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:34:28 GMT I am having consistent problems with tiff files generated on other systems. They generally appear like there is lots of missing data, but the image is recognizable. The most obvious problem is that the black/white sense is reversed. But maybe it is the programs I am trying to view them with? I have tried the file "Content Inspector" of the workspace, Adobe Illustrator (bringing the tiff in as a template), and IconBuilder. I couldn't think of any others to try, but the consistently bad results leads me to the brilliant conclusion that I am "missing" something. What am I missing? --J Gregory
From: warren@cyberspace.com (Warren Victorian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What are these? Date: 16 Aug 1993 21:33:49 -0700 Organization: (CYBERSPACE) Public Internet 206.286.1600 Message-ID: <24pn3d$1ko@cyberspace.com> Cc: I found these wierd international phone sex lines in a magazine the otherday and I was just wondering how these people can offer a service like this for free. It makes no sence to me. Anyways it is pretty hardcore and anyone into that type of stuff should give it a shout. 011-239-129-2618 or 011-239-129-2620
From: jkim@panix.com (Joachim Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 1993 00:34:43 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> Summary: NextStep, OS/2, Dos, Windows NT under Boot Mgr? Keywords: nextstep os2 winnt Does anyone know if Windows NT, OS/2, DOS AND NT can be loaded under OS/2 Boot Manager?
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The most good-looking program Date: 17 Aug 1993 05:06:53 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <24pp1d$ih5@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <24l3nl$hks@cc.tut.fi> t146678@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Tuominen Juha) writes: > What do you think, what's the most beatiful program for NeXT? I tried > to find some very good-looking programs, but only two came up: > Improve and Communicae. Of course my program collection is not that > wide so I'd like to know if there are any great PD programs for NS2.1 > with beatiful user-interface. Note that you'd probably get better selection if you can include NS-3.0 and NS-3.1 apps. People started using color and 3d effects a lot more starting with NS-3.0. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 04:46:13 GMT From: jik@GZA.COM (Jonathan I. Kamens) Message-ID: <jik.cancel.930817044613.137.167@GZA.COM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,control Subject: cmsg cancel <24pn3d$1ko@cyberspace.com> Control: cancel <24pn3d$1ko@cyberspace.com> .
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 17 Aug 1993 06:05:31 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <24psfb$llg@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <24jjv6$5al@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Working on an app under NEXTSTEP totally isolated, and on > your own is difficult at best. At worst, I'd say damn near > impossible. > > The comp.sys.next.programmer readers are often helpful, > but I am finding that the posts are usually answered by the same > cluster of people. Without the responses from Greg, Garance, > EPS, and others, we wouldn't have shipped. Period. Hmm. I'm not sure I've written all that many helpful followups when it comes to NeXTSTEP programming. Mainly I've chipped in with sys-admin issues, I imagine. In any case, note that I've never asked for any "developer support" from NeXT, so whatever I have picked up I've done on my own. I've gotten a lot farther with NeXTSTEP development on my own than I got with Macintosh development on my own, and I imagine I've spent less money doing it too. It does require a little time though, and time is something I don't have enough of. The most helpful things for me have been example applications that included source code. I just remember where I've seen a feature that I'm interested in, and then I poke around in it's source to see how it did what I wanted. Between that and the General Reference books, and later Simson & Garfinkels book, you can get the hang of a lot of things. Also note that posts are usually answered by people comfortable with answering in this medium. I happen to be very used to electronic conferencing (having used both CONFER and *Forum on MTS...), and am much more likely to simply type whatever comes to mind than most people -- even people who may have many more answers than I do... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: wu-ftpd on NeXT? Message-ID: <9322919.2281@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia References: <KARTHY.93Aug15215313@dannug.dannug.dk> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:14:45 GMT In article <KARTHY.93Aug15215313@dannug.dannug.dk> karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes: > > Hi > > I have compiled and installed wu-archive's ftp-daemon release 2.1B, > and all works just great except the automatic tar and compress > functionality. > > I can receive and transmit files, but the daemon has the ability to > create a .tar and .tar.Z file on the fly, but I can't make it work. > > I have installed a copy of both compress, ls and gnu-tar in ~ftp/bin. > > Anyone got a clue?? > > Btw: I'm running 3.1PR1, but I don't think that is the problem! > I have had this problem too, running NeXTstep 3.0 on NeXT hardware. Bummer. Other people have had the same problem. Not sure why. You did install the NeXT libary, no? [You need ~ftp/usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib from /usr/shlib] Someone who did compile and works properly is (try ftp to the site): dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu and has helped me a lot. But still could not get it to work. Hope you have better luck than me! Please let me know if you get it to work. Aris. -- name: aris theocharides. address: room g63, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.40.21, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: The most good-looking program Message-ID: <9322919.2453@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia References: <19113@news.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:19:17 GMT In article <19113@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: > Tuominen Juha writes > > What do you think, what's the most beatiful program for NeXT? > > I'll vote for NoteBook, by Millenium Software Labs. (Aside from the Info > Denise I second this! Notebook is one beautiful program. No better than that... Aris. -- name: aris theocharides. address: room g63, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.40.21, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Message-ID: <Aug17.140800.23875@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 14:08:00 GMT References: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > Before I ordered my copy of NS/FIP, I verified that my PC was > on the list of compatible hardware (it was), and that it had > enough RAM and disk space to run NS (it did). (Hardware: HP > Vectra 486U/66, EISA, 20MB RAM, embedded Ultra VGA video, 240MB > IDE drive, 430MB SCSI drive, AHA1740 SCSI-2 adapter, Toshiba > XM3401 CD-ROM drive, 3.5" floppy drive;OS: OS/2 2.1 installed > on the IDE drive) > Well, it seems that NeXT stretched a little bit the list of > compatible hardware. (That may bring them a few extra first > time sales, but not many friends and repeat customers.) So > far, I had no luck installing NS/FIP on my PC. The installation > program simply can't find my CD-ROM drive. What led you to believe that either the AHA1740 or the Ultra VGA on-board video was supported? The compatibility list specifically states that 1740 support is scheduled for 3.2 and that the built-in video is good only for 640 x 480 in monochrome. That hardly seems misleading. > PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure (Why, it's there!) NeXTSTEP tries to initialize a number of different mouse drivers until one works. Do you have a bus mouse, a serial mouse and a PS/2 mouse? Likely not, so you can safely ignore the message. (I still get it constantly and my machine works fine). > class `SMC16' not linked into application > configureDriver: Couldn't find class named `SMC16' (I can't > either!) > class `EtherExpress16' not linked into application > configureDriver: Couldn't find class named `EtherExpress16' They've been removed from the kernel on the boot floppy (presumably to keep the system from coming up on a network). > NO CD-ROM drive found > Use sd%d, hd%d or fd%d (of course I can't use these, the stuff > is on CD-ROM!) It can't find your CD-ROM drive because you don't have a supported SCSI card, and yes, you can use the devices listed if they have a bootable NeXTSTEP partition on them. > The information I received wasn't of much help, but it > confirmed my suspicion that NeXT was not very honest when they > included the Vectra 486U on the list of compatible hardware. I > found out, for instance, that they disabled the embedded Ultra > VGA video system and used instead the Ultra VGA card. > Explanation: "card is required to display color under > NEXTSTEP." (One small detail: the embedded video is in no way > less capable than the card. Why the request to disable it and > force the user to buy an extra card is beyond me.) It DOES use the onboard video for 640 x 480, in 2-bit monochrome. For color, NeXTSTEP needs a high-performance (EISA or localbus) card that can linearly map itself using 4-4-4 or 5-5-5 RGB mapping within 16-bit color values. Don't try to claim that the "embedded video is in no way less capable..." unless you know what you're talking about. Again, this requirement is specifically listed in the same compatibility guide that lists the Vectra 486U: For color or 8-bit grayscale, you need an EISA graphics card! > Anyway, nothing about conditions that might cause the NS > install program to not find the CD-ROM drive. Except the lack of a supported SCSI card. The adaptec 1540/2 B and C work fine, as do the other cards listed as supported under 3.1. Either of these should let you install NeXTSTEP. I've done so on an HP Vectra 486U/33 using an Adaptec 1542B with no problems. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nwc (Nick Christopher) Subject: Re: Converting Next sound files. Message-ID: <CBwo86.7xL@ny.shl.com> Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. References: <24dqk7$nr7@news.cerf.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:31:17 GMT > Are there any programms to convert next sound files to > other formats, mainly to Mac format? I have found a package > called sox that converts to several formats, but next is not one > of them. Sox does handle NeXT format and there is a NeXTSTEP front end to sox called GISO. Is should be on sonata.cc.purdue.edu still - if not I can send it out - I am the author. \n Nicholas Christopher Systemhouse Nick_Christopher@ny.shl.com -- "At the same time, recalling my insignificance, I affirm nothing, but submit all these opinions to the judgment of the more sage; I wish no one to believe anything I have written, unless he is personally persuaded by the evidence of reason." - Rene Descartes... basically.
From: jake@skatter.usask.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: CLISP??? Date: 17 Aug 1993 21:37:00 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <24rj1s$29a@tribune.usask.ca> References: <none> Good day. I wish to know if anyone has successfully compiled the CLISP implementation on a NeXTstation running the 2.x OS. If so, I would greatly appreciate knowledge of the exact procedure/changes. Thank you. jake -- Jason C. Breckenridge jake@skatter.usask.ca Why you wanna be readin' them long-haired books for, boy? - Foghorn Leghorn
From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Aug16193454@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: 16 Aug 93 23:34:53 GMT References: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University In-Reply-To: bazavan@cup.hp.com's message of Mon, 16 Aug 1993 22:17:34 GMT To: bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) Originator: news@nimaster In article <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) writes: Before I ordered my copy of NS/FIP, I verified that my PC was on the list of compatible hardware (it was), and that it had enough RAM and disk space to run NS (it did). (Hardware: HP Vectra 486U/66, EISA, 20MB RAM, embedded Ultra VGA video, 240MB IDE drive, 430MB SCSI drive, AHA1740 SCSI-2 adapter, Toshiba XM3401 CD-ROM drive, 3.5" floppy drive;OS: OS/2 2.1 installed on the IDE drive) I'm afraid that's where your mistake was. The AHA1740 is not listed as compatible with NS 3.1 on any guide I've seen. NeXT only claims that it will be supported under 3.2. Now a warning: Warning: Using internal backup device configuration tables This is quite normal for the NeXTstep installation process. Then a failure: PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure (Why, it's there!) Ditto. Anyway, nothing about conditions that might cause the NS install program to not find the CD-ROM drive. (Unless the install program expects the SCSI card to be an ISA card, or to be configured in "standard" mode. If that turns out to be the case, I have no interest in making other attempts to install NS. I'll just write Mr. Jobs to thank him for taking my money.) I can understand how you feel, but I believe for once NeXT was quite clear on this matter in the hardware compatibility guide. If any of you, NeXT enthusiasts, have any suggestions, I would appreciate them very much. You can either borrow a compatible SCSI card, or wait for NS 3.2. The good news is that NS 3.2 is expected RSN. Carl Edman
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Star Trek .rib files (?) Date: 17 Aug 1993 23:57:01 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <24rr8d$e8k@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Forgive me for a piece of unadulterated fluff, but does anybody out there have any good .rib files of Star Trek starships? Any generation would be appreciated, and I'm not just interested in Federation ships, either. Klingons, Cardassians, whatever. Just looking to merge my NeXT with one of my other favorite hobbies! Between the two, I have a pretty good substitute for this thing called a "life" that everybody keeps talking about. ;-] Thanks, Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | No response on any Starfleet channel, sir. However, `---- | there is a related thread ongoing in rec.arts.startrek.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: More Login Tiffs for 3.1 Date: 18 Aug 1993 03:09:25 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <24s6h5$psb@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'm not wild about war, but I am nuts about military hardware, especially aircraft and submarines. Armed with a scanner, I've found some neat pix of nuclear submarines and done them up as login panels for 3.1. All are monochrome and designed for the (black) Megapixel display. If you're interested in that sort of thing, you can get them from yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], in pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------------> Some things have to be believed to be seen. <---------------]
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is th 3.0 C library? Message-ID: <1993Aug17.235245.6545@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: 17 Aug 93 23:52:45 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University I recently ran a Configure script and was asked: What is the full name of your C library? What is the full (path?) name of the C library under NEXTSTEP 3.0? -- kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: NSFIP CDPlayer.app Not all CD-ROMs work. Message-ID: <austinCBy288.Asr@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 07:31:20 GMT Trying to get CDPlayer.app working on NSFIP I found that not all CD-ROMs work. I first read the articles about CDPlayer.app and made sure that cdaudio.util and CDPlayer were owned by root and had set uid, and turned on the Public window server. 1) Hooked up a Toshiba CD-ROM (in IBM case); inserted my new CD "4 Non Blonds" and .... grind grind grind for about 10 minutes. I ejected the CD and low an behold CDPlayer.app starts. (I then fiddle for awhile with no better luck.) :-( 2) Disconnect the Toshiba, hook up an NEC-74 CD-ROM; insert my CD and after about 30 seconds...presto "Please eject external disk". (I then fiddle for a while with no better luck.) :-( 3) Disconnect the NEC-74, hook up a TEAC CD-50 CD-ROM; insert my CD and presto CDPlayer.app launches and soon I have wonderful music blasting through the room. :-) So if you can't get CDPlayer to work just keep swaping CD-ROMs until you find one it likes. Greg Lindholm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: PC Dealer Problems? Not here! Message-ID: <1993Aug17.152028.29616@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 15:20:28 GMT I was just wondering how people were doing wrt getting NEXTSTEP PCs. I've seen a lot of postings from people along the lines of "Help! I can't get <x> to work in order to install NEXTSTEP!". Naturally most of what you hear are problems; satisfied customers don't usually post. I just got an Intel GX Professional (are a lot of these selling?) and it is very fast! I basically didn't want to deal with the headaches of being on my own about installation and problems (Dealer: "NEXTSTEP? Wuzzat?"). I bought it from Alpine Computing Microage and it the experience was great! Much like getting a NeXT machine - I called and ordered from a person who was knowledgable about what the requirements for NS were, the machine showed up, I plugged it and it booted into NS! The only problem was that Intel shipped a bad board. The person I was working with, Kris Magnusson, called their Tech Support and got a board FedExed to me the next day. I hope that this message helps those people who've been considering NEXTSTEP and were confused (like me) by the dizzying array of options available. I really didn't want to spec out a system with no help and have to install it myself (plus I didn't have a CD-ROM drive!). I've had *awesome* service and support from Kris (Alpine has a group dedicated to NEXTSTEP and Unix systems) and I think that anyone who is considering getting a PC to run NS should consider calling Kris. He really bent over backwards to make sure I was satisfied. They deal in much more than Intel GX's, also. No headaches! FYI: Alpine Computing Microage Kris Magnusson (801) 268-8877 Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Alpine Computing Microage or Kris Magnusson, I'm just an *extremely* satisfied customer and I wanted to let everyone else in on the action. - Drew -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 1993 17:02:21 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <24r2utINNofd@network.ucsd.edu> References: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> Keywords: nextstep os2 winnt In article <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> jkim@panix.com (Joachim Kim) writes: >Does anyone know if Windows NT, OS/2, DOS AND NT can be loaded under OS/2 Boot Manager? > > Well, at this point I can't be much help, but this should be possible. I currently have all the systems you mention running on one machine, but I have not been able to get NS to work with Boot Manager. I believe the partition address is off by one and when Boot Manager runs the NS boot sector, the NS boot sector does not find the partition where NS is installed. What I'm doing at this point is swapping MBRs. When I want to run NS I swap in the MBR created by NS, when I want to run NT or OS/2, etc., I swap in the Boot Manager MBR. I've been waiting for several days for an solution from NeXT, but nothing thus far. If anyone has this working, I'd be interested in hearing how you did it. Thanks alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: SND & Music Kit Concepts and Refrence? Message-ID: <Aug.17.13.47.13.1993.11998@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 17 Aug 93 17:47:14 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi, does anyone know where I can find the SND & Music Kit Concepts & Refrence books? Preferably on-line electronic format. I think that the 3.1 Music kit from CCRMA has the DSP portion of the S&M C&R, but I need the whole thing. Muchas gracias for any/all help. Later, John
From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 93 14:36:14 Organization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA Message-ID: <GUMBY.93Aug17143614@tweedledumb.cygnus.com> References: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> <24r2utINNofd@network.ucsd.edu> In-reply-to: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu's message of 17 Aug 1993 17:02:21 GMT Date: 17 Aug 1993 17:02:21 GMT From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Well, at this point I can't be much help, but this should be possible. I currently have all the systems you mention running on one machine, but I have not been able to get NS to work with Boot Manager. I believe the partition address is off by one and when Boot Manager runs the NS boot sector, the NS boot sector does not find the partition where NS is installed. What I'm doing at this point is swapping MBRs. Can LILO boot NeXTStep? It's a free solution that may be easiest of all...
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 1993 20:50:37 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <24rgat$20l@nic.umass.edu> References: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> Joachim Kim (jkim@panix.com) wrote: : Does anyone know if Windows NT, OS/2, DOS AND NT can be loaded under : OS/2 Boot Manager? I have OS/2, Dos, and NeXTSTEP up and running using the Boot Manager. You need to be very careful how you partition your drive though... Boot Manager takes up one Primary Partition, Dos takes up another primary partition...so, you should create a large extended partition to hold OS/2 (and NeXTSTEP if possible, but I couldn't get it to coexist in an extended partition with anything else -- could have been me though)...leaving NeXTSTEP with the last primary partition. 50 Meg DOS Primary 1000 Meg Extended Partition: 500 Meg DOS 120 Meg DOS 380 Meg OS/2 849 Meg NeXTSTEP Primary 1 Meg Boot Manager Primary If you could get NeXTSTEP or NT to coexist in an the Extended partition you would be ok...but you can only have four "partitions" on a hard drive. Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Message-ID: <1993Aug17.152856.16288@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:28:56 GMT In article <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) writes: > Before I ordered my copy of NS/FIP, I verified that my PC was on the > list of compatible hardware (it was), and that it had enough RAM and disk > space to run NS (it did). (Hardware: HP Vectra 486U/66, EISA, 20MB RAM, > embedded Ultra VGA video, 240MB IDE drive, 430MB SCSI drive, AHA1740 SCSI-2 > adapter, Toshiba XM3401 CD-ROM drive, 3.5" floppy drive;OS: OS/2 2.1 installed > on the IDE drive) > > Well, it seems that NeXT stretched a little bit the list of > compatible hardware. It seems that you didn't read the hardware compatibility guide carefully. The Adaptec 1740 is not supported, and does not work under 3.1. It does work under 3.2, but that is not available yet. Note the Adaptec 1740 *should* work in 1540 mode (and many people have expected it to work), but it does not due to a bug in Adaptec's firmware. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: animate@solomon.technet.sg (Jauder Ho) Subject: Re: NS/Intel info Message-ID: <CBy6tE.66D@newsserver.technet.sg> Sender: news@newsserver.technet.sg Organization: University of Michigan, High Energy Spin Phyics References: <1993Apr20.071053.15106@news.acns.nwu.edu> <C5rurx.AvG@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 09:10:26 GMT Could someone tell me what is the minimum and optimum configuration to effectively run NS/FIP? Thanks. Please e-mail to jauderho@umich.edu. -- Jauder Ho High Energy Spin Physics ========================================= jauderho@umich.edu jho@mich.physics.lsa.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: animate@solomon.technet.sg (Jauder Ho) Subject: Re: Converting Next sound files. Message-ID: <CBy7uw.6nn@newsserver.technet.sg> Sender: news@newsserver.technet.sg Organization: University of Michigan, High Energy Spin Phyics References: <24dqk7$nr7@news.cerf.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 09:32:55 GMT In article <24dqk7$nr7@news.cerf.net> glasgow@nic.cerf.net (Michael Glasgow) writes: >Are there any programms to convert next sound files to >other formats, mainly to Mac format? I have found a package >called sox that converts to several formats, but next is not one >of them. > >Michael Glasgow >glasgow@cerf.net > NeXT basically has the same sound file as Sun so rename your .snd file as an .au file and then use sox. --Jauder -- Jauder Ho High Energy Spin Physics ========================================= jauderho@umich.edu jho@mich.physics.lsa.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Re: Can someone diagnose this hardware problem (25MHz slab)? Message-ID: <1993Aug18.131406.3317@selway.umt.edu> Followup-To: poster Organization: University of Montana Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 13:14:06 GMT Thanks to everyone who wrote regarding this problem. I want to pass on some new info. Since posting I did a complete disk rebuild and that didn't help at all. Have been able to get to NMI monitor a couple times while it's happening (sometimes can't) and do a reboot. On reboot here's the message I get: "READ: bad status detected in sdcmd: 0 read error load failed." Usually even if I can get to NMI I still have to go to ROM monitor to powerdown. Sometimes I can't even get to ROM monitor and have to use the Emergency Shutdown Procedure (yank on cord;->). Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Message-ID: <CBx4tH.9uz@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 19:29:40 GMT In article <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) writes: > >The catching enthusiasm of the NeXTStep users, convinced me to try >the NeXTStep on my Intel based PC (to be truthful, the $300 offer >convinced me even more :-) > >Before I ordered my copy of NS/FIP, I verified that my PC was on the >list of compatible hardware (it was), and that it had enough RAM and disk >space to run NS (it did). (Hardware: HP Vectra 486U/66, EISA, 20MB RAM, >embedded Ultra VGA video, 240MB IDE drive, 430MB SCSI drive, AHA1740 SCSI-2 >adapter, Toshiba XM3401 CD-ROM drive, 3.5" floppy drive;OS: OS/2 2.1 installed >on the IDE drive) > >Well, it seems that NeXT stretched a little bit the list of >compatible hardware. (That may bring them a few extra first >time sales, but not many friends and repeat customers.) >So far, I had no luck installing NS/FIP on my PC. [munch] >The installation program simply can't find my CD-ROM drive. >I get the "loading mach kernel" message, then > > CPU: EISA id <some value> > slot 4: EISA id <some value> (this is my AHA1740 SCSI adapter) > slot f: EISA id <some value> (Hmm, I don't know what this is; > I have 5 slots and only #4 is occupied) >Now a warning: > > Warning: Using internal backup device configuration tables > >Then a failure: > > PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure (Why, it's there!) Ignore this message. It checks more than one and gives a failure message for what it *doesn't* find!! :^( > >Some "Registering" messages follow, which seem to succeed, a >"Resetting SCSI Bus" message (what's to be reset?), and a few >more "Registering" messages for the floppy drive. > >Then: > > class `SMC16' not linked into application > configureDriver: Couldn't find class named `SMC16' (I can't either!) > class `EtherExpress16' not linked into application > configureDriver: Couldn't find class named `EtherExpress16' > (This is probably OK, I don't have an Ethernet interface card) > >Again a few "Registering" messages, then, the surprise :-( Sounds as though you nearly make it! This stuff is standard. > > NO CD-ROM drive found > use sd%d, hd%d or fd%d (of course I can't use these, the stuff is on > CD-ROM!) > >At this point there was not much I could do, except send a message to >"nextanswers." The usual problem causing failure at this point is an *incompatible* SCSI card. Yours is an Adaptec 1742 which doesn't work yet. Even the 1540 & 1542 cards have problems, especially with Dell ME machines & an ATI GUP Graphics card. Changing the SCSI ID has been known to help, but it is not clear under what conditions, or whether for this particular problem. [munch] >If any of you, NeXT enthusiasts, have any suggestions, I would appreciate >them very much. > >Valentin Bazavan >bazavan@cup.hp.com You should be able to fire up 2-bit gray-scale 640 x 480 graphics with the built-in graphics, but you can't expect to do 250 kilometres per hour in a Volkswagen Beetle--unmodified ;^). It might be worth getting better graphics even if you decide against NeXTSTEP, but you can try it out under adverse conditions (such low grayscale graphics does not do justice to NeXTSTEP!!!). Try running Windows on an XT!! Good luck and don't give up. It will all be worth it when you succeed. Of course, you could simply buy a complete system with NSFIP already installed. Not everyone wants to install Unix on what is essentially a Home Brew. -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@flip.cpsc.ucalgary.ca | (Albert Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Colors and refresh rates Message-ID: <1993Aug18.142415.29706@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:24:15 GMT Is it possible the change the colors of apps? I'm (probably) one of the few people around who prefer light text on dark backgrounds because of the reduced flicker (I'm running an ATI Ultra Pro VLB at 76 Hz connected to an Eizo T560-i triniton color monitor and I still can see the flicker on light backgrounds). NeXT allows me to adjust the background color of the Workspace Manager but I haven't found a way/hack to adjust other (window) colors as well. Bart PS. I hope I'm not starting the old flame war again. I just want to set the colors *right* on my machine. PPS. The first app to change would be Edit. I just cannot live with its white background. -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: NS+ SoundBlaster()? Message-ID: <CByp0s.48u@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 15:43:40 GMT Does anyone know if there is/will be support for the SoundBlaster family of sound cards under NS on PC's? Thank's... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Message-ID: <CByp7p.4Ew@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> <1993Aug17.152856.16288@BlueRose.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 15:47:49 GMT In article <1993Aug17.152856.16288@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: [ ] > >It seems that you didn't read the hardware compatibility guide carefully. >The Adaptec 1740 is not supported, and does not work under 3.1. It does >work under 3.2, but that is not available yet. Note the Adaptec 1740 >*should* work in 1540 mode (and many people have expected it to work), but >it does not due to a bug in Adaptec's firmware. There are very good reasons for not reading this guide carefully as it is not organized in a way which would lead one to do this. The guide is quite specific for certain well defined systems, but vague in other areas and is very thin on details. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Parallel Port not found (NS/I) Date: 18 Aug 1993 17:15:26 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <24to3f$s2i@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hy, NS 3.1 for Intel does not find my LPT1 Port at 378H/IRQ7. The boot messages say so, and I don't find something like /dev/lp . The driver-configuration (with Config.app) is OK and it should be no hardware problem, since Linux and DOS find LPT1. Anyone solved such a problem ? Any help welcome .... -- "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that"
From: weiss@pinfo100.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (Michael Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTConnection??? Date: 18 Aug 1993 17:17:40 GMT Organization: University of Mannheim, Germany Message-ID: <24to7k$4ok@darum.uni-mannheim.de> Can anyone give me a pointer on how to contact NeXTConnection? In a recent posting I read about NeXTConnection selling midi connectors, but the posting didn't give an address. Thanks. Cheers, Michael Michael Weiss Lehrstuhl fuer Praktische Informatik I Universitaet Mannheim, D-68131 Mannheim, Germany
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: wu-ftpd on NeXT? Date: 18 Aug 1993 17:06:41 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Aug18190641@dannug.dannug.dk> References: <KARTHY.93Aug15215313@dannug.dannug.dk> <9322919.2281@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> In-reply-to: Aris Theocharides's message of Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:14:45 GMT >>>>> Regarding Re: wu-ftpd on NeXT?; Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> adds: Aris> In article <KARTHY.93Aug15215313@dannug.dannug.dk> karthy@dannug.dk Aris> (Karsten Thygesen) writes: > > Hi > > I have compiled and installed wu-archive's ftp-daemon release 2.1B, > and all works just great except the automatic tar and compress > functionality. > > I can receive and transmit files, but the daemon has the ability to > create a .tar and .tar.Z file on the fly, but I can't make it work. > > I have installed a copy of both compress, ls and gnu-tar in ~ftp/bin. > > Anyone got a clue?? > > Btw: I'm running 3.1PR1, but I don't think that is the problem! > Aris> I have had this problem too, running NeXTstep 3.0 on NeXT hardware. Aris> Bummer. Other people have had the same problem. Not sure why. Aris> You did install the NeXT libary, no? Aris> [You need ~ftp/usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib from /usr/shlib] Yes - I got it but still no luck... Aris> Someone who did compile and works properly is (try ftp to the site): Aris> dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu Aris> and has helped me a lot. But still could not get it to work. Hope you have Aris> better luck than me! Well - I was hoping that it was just me who did a bummer, but if it is generally a problem, then I will start searching deeper in the code.. Later, Karsten. -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 President, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
From: mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTConnection??? Date: 18 Aug 1993 19:08:59 GMT Organization: Mills College, Oakland CA Message-ID: <24tuob$iq6@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <24to7k$4ok@darum.uni-mannheim.de> In article <24to7k$4ok@darum.uni-mannheim.de> weiss@pinfo100.informatik.uni-mannheim.de writes: >Can anyone give me a pointer on how to contact NeXTConnection? In a recent >posting I read about NeXTConnection selling midi connectors... NeXTConnection, 9 Mill Street, Marlow, NH 03456 1-800-800-NEXT or 1-603-446-3383. Regards, Mitch Gass mitch@mills.edu
From: spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu (Ben Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: running an intel box from a next turbo via softpc Message-ID: <1993Aug18.014620.672@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 01:46:20 GMT References: <1993Aug16.191551.8036@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: ben@cs.indiana.edu Organization: frogware In article <1993Aug16.191551.8036@news.cs.brandeis.edu> fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: > > A simple question but perhaps a complicated answer. > Would it be possible to connect a PC to a Next turbo running > 3.1 and access the intel via SoftPC so that I am using the Next > monitor and keyboard but the intel CPU. > Thanks for the help If the intel machine is also running NEXTSTEP, I suppose you could use openSesame to run SoftPC on the intel machine, and have the GUI run on the black machine. -- __________________________________________________________________________ Ben Bernhard (NeXTMail Pref.) "Nothing that results from human progress 812/339-5304 (fax) is achieved with unanimous consent."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) Subject: Anybody got 3.1 for NeXT hardware yet? Message-ID: <CBz8I2.E4x@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 22:44:24 GMT Has anybody applied for and got their copy of NS 3.1 for black hardware yet? The offer expires at the end of this month for $75 to upgrade. Brian Leake, Fox River Financial Resources, Inc.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panel Oops Date: 18 Aug 1993 22:54:19 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <24ubur$kqk@news.doit.wisc.edu> A few days ago, I put up a series of 3.1 login panels showing texts from the Chuang Tsu. There's a lesson in it somewhere, but there was a typo in panel #23. Sorry for the screw-up. I've fixed the tar file, and the individual panel is there too. yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18] directory pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1 -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----> The whales do not gather together to revive barren seascapes. <------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Subject: What was added in 3.1? Message-ID: <SPETERS.93Aug18160920@samsun.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA Distribution: na Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 23:09:20 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. What was added in 3.1? I just upgraded my ColorStation and noted that the User environment seemed to take up about 40 more meg than it used to. It's possible that the person that I bought the 'station from had removed some extraneous nonsense from 3.0, but I wanted to make sure that this was in fact a fairly normal occurrence. Has everyone else had the same thing happen? Stephen Peters
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New Set of Login Panel Tiffs Date: 18 Aug 1993 23:43:45 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <24uerh$lsk@news.doit.wisc.edu> I seem to be on a roll with this stuff. Wanting something a bit more art-oriented than the Chuang Tsu quotes or submarine pictures, I've made three images showing letter forms in Arabic, Chinese, and Hebrew. If that's of interest, check out yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], pub/next/images/logintiffs/letter_forms.* Thank heavens for Icon.app! -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------------> There are men whose enmity is a compliment. <---------------]
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Star Trek .rib files (?) Date: 19 Aug 1993 00:06:45 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <24ug6l$g38@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <24tcdm$eui@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) wrote... > >Hi, folks! > >Does anybody have any 3D models of Star Trek ships in Renderman .rib >format? I'm looking for any series (TOS, TFS, TNG, DS9), any race >(Fed, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, etc). I'm not particular. I'd >just like to fool around with some Trek ships on my computer. I know it's not too proper to follow up one's own post, but since I haven't gotten any response from this yet, I'd just like to inform anybody out there who is holding back that by this point in time, I have had oodles of people coming out of the woodwork asking for any info that I get in response to this, but none volunteering any info. I think this request probably represents about 1/3 to 1/2 of the netbound NeXT community by now :-) Please, send me any info you might have on such files. If you have anything in other formats, let me know that too. It's quite possible that somebody out there might have a conversion utility. Thanks again! Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Pascal or Bliss or Ada. `---- | Strong typing is for people with weak memories.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE Message-ID: <70491@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 19 Aug 93 00:42:22 GMT References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Aug15.154903.25965@black.toppoint.de> kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) writes: > /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProcessMonitor.app > This is the only way to get detailed memory usage statistics > about a NeXTstep program. ps is a completely inadequate tool for this purpose. there is a really nice tool called Informer.app on the archives. It provides an easy way to find alot of information about the system, including memory stats. I dont think you can distinguish between amount of memory in shared libs vs. unique to an app in the current release, but the great thing is that Informer is extendible. there is an API, and some class definitions, and it will load bundles to allow you to add more informer tools (without writing another tool). there are 2 other tools that help a little, vm_stat and MallocDebug. neither does exactly what this thread is in search of though. > I am missing a system real/vm memory analyse tool: I want to have a > pixel or a small block for each page and different color for the various usages of memory. what a nice idea, it would make a great Informer module. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bobcook@slac.stanford.edu (Bob Cook) Subject: Re: What was added in 3.1? Message-ID: <CBzEAM.6pJ@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <SPETERS.93Aug18160920@samsun.us.oracle.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 00:49:33 GMT Stephen Peters writes >What was added in 3.1? I just upgraded my ColorStation and noted that >the User environment seemed to take up about 40 more meg than it used >to. I noticed 40 MB disappeared too and wondered where it went, although I have both User and Developer. > It's possible that the person that I bought the 'station from had >removed some extraneous nonsense from 3.0, but I wanted to make sure >that this was in fact a fairly normal occurrence. Mine had nothing removed. -- Bob Cook bobcook@slac.stanford.edu Stanford Linear Accelerator Center NeXT mail okay
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New Set of Login Panel Tiffs Date: 19 Aug 1993 01:18:13 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <24ukcl$nnt@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <24uerh$lsk@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <24uerh$lsk@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Jess Anderson <anderson@macc.wisc.edu> wrote: >I seem to be on a roll with this stuff. Wanting something a >bit more art-oriented than the Chuang Tsu quotes or >submarine pictures, I've made three images showing letter >forms in Arabic, Chinese, and Hebrew. Sorry to follow myself up, but I was obviously a bit spaced out; there are *four* images there; the other is a calligraphic jest on the black-letter lowercase z. >If that's of interest, check out yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], >pub/next/images/logintiffs/letter_forms.* -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----------> There is more to life than the avoidance of death. <------------]
From: agrawal@cteq07.pa.msu.edu (Pankaj Agrawal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Newsgrazer having problem in accessing nntp server Date: 19 Aug 1993 01:21:45 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <24ukj9$njm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I would appreciate any help in the following matter. We have two different NeXTstations. The Newsgrazer.app program on one of the NeXTstations can not access nntp server ( which is on a third machine on campus), while there is no such problem on the the second NeXTstation. The preferences for this program on the two machines are identical. The message that we get says: "Access denied to nntp server on such-and-such machine". This problem has persisted for many months without a solution. Any tips will be appreciated. Regards.
From: begonia@abstractsoft.com (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got 3.1 for NeXT hardware yet? Date: 19 Aug 1993 01:35:20 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Message-ID: <24ulco$dgk@news.u.washington.edu> References: <CBz8I2.E4x@unix.portal.com> In article <CBz8I2.E4x@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) writes: >Has anybody applied for and got their copy of NS 3.1 for black hardware >yet? The offer expires at the end of this month for $75 to upgrade. > >Brian Leake, >Fox River Financial Resources, Inc. According to the information I got in the NeXT Nugget from Conrad Geiger the $75 price expires at the end of September NOT the end of August. The following is cut and pasted from the Nugget: Effective 10/1/93, the suggested retail price of the following upgrades in North America will be as follows: N5542 Release 3.1 upgrade for NeXT computers, English (from 3.0) Price: 10/1/93 Now $195 $75 N5549 NEXTSTEP Developer upgrade for NeXT computers (from 3.0) Price: 10/1/93 Now NA $99 N5549 will no longer be available as of October 1993 and developers who want to upgrade their development environment can purchase N5551 at $495. **** -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software P.O. Box 25045 Seattle, WA 98125 206/361-5080 e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Newsgrazer having problem in accessing nntp server Message-ID: <1993Aug19.030756.11425@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <24ukj9$njm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 03:07:56 GMT In article <24ukj9$njm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> agrawal@cteq07.pa.msu.edu (Pankaj Agrawal) writes: > We have two different NeXTstations. The Newsgrazer.app program > on one of the NeXTstations can not access nntp server ( which is > on a third machine on campus), while there is no such problem on > the the second NeXTstation. The preferences for this program > on the two machines are identical. The message that we get > says: "Access denied to nntp server on such-and-such machine". Then the "problem" is probably on the NNTP server machine. Open a Terminal window and type /usr/etc/mconnect -p 119 server-machine-name If you see something like connecting to host xxx.xxx.xxx (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx), port 119 connection open 200 xxx InterNetNews server INN 1.4 20-Mar-93 ready -or- 200 xxx NNTP server version 1.5.11 (10 February 1991) ready ... everything's fine. Type QUIT and press Return. You should see a "205" message. But if you instead see something like connecting to host xxx.xxx.xxx (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx), port 119 connection open 502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye. -or- 502 xxx NNTP server can't talk to you. Goodbye. and a shell prompt, then you need to get in touch with the server's administrator. There's nothing you can do on your end. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: I NEED AN INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER IN BIRMINGHAM, AL Message-ID: <1993Aug18.181228.18447@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 18:12:28 GMT I would like to establish a UUCP link with a service provider in Birmingham. I need to exchange mail and news at very least. If you have any suggestions, please send them with contact information to me. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Birmingham, AL NeXT Activity Message-ID: <1993Aug18.181957.18523@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 18:19:57 GMT I have been doing NeXT related work for a couple of years in Houston. I am now relocating to Birmingham, AL and would like to find out what NeXT activity there is there. I will be looking for employment, and would love the opportunity to talk to any NeXT sites first. Alas, I fear the worst. A world of MS Windows or CICS Mainframes. All help and information is apprecited. Thanks Wes Spears 5518 Society Lane Houston, Texas 77084 (713) 856-7851 FAX (713) 856-7851 jspears@weston.com -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mandelbrot Demo -SLOW in 3.1! Message-ID: <19317@news.duke.edu> Date: 19 Aug 93 05:14:04 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc When showing my ColorStation off to friends, they'd always be amazed at how fast the NeXTcould generate mandelbrot set views. To my surprise, when I upgraded to NS3.1 I ran the demo, AND IT WAS ABOUT 3-4 TIMES SLOWER! I was sure I had somehow messed things up. Then I discovered later that Mandelbrot.app for 3.1 was compiled to use only 680X0 code on the NeXT, not for the DSP as in 3.0. I guess this was to make the demo MAB compatible with NSI, but it was still annoying. I promptly reinstalled my old 3.0 version of Mandelbrot.app and it runs much faster than a silly Intel-GX 486/66. I wonder what other "upgrades" NeXT has put in 3.1? Disappointed, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Kurt D. Bollacker Duke University Medical Center + + kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu Durham, NC 27710 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Booting NeXTStep with OS/2's Boot Manager Date: 19 Aug 1993 05:53:14 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Distribution: world Message-ID: <24v4gaINNphv@network.ucsd.edu> I want to thank the several kind individuals who sent me the post below. Running fdisk /mbr on the MBR installed by NS and reinstalling OS/2's Boot Manager did the trick. The only problem is that NT's boot info gets clobbered by the NS installation. Reinstalling NT (there may be some other ways to get NT back without reinstalling, but NT installation is fast and smooth, so I reinstalled, besides I wanted to change the file system on the NT partition) brought back the ability to boot NT from BM. So, if you want to get DOS/WIN, NT, OS/2 and NS all booting from OS/2's Boot Manager try the following: 1) partition your HD as suggested in the post below At this point I'm using: (1) 1 Boot Manager (2) 100 DOS/WIN (c:fat) (3) 100 data (d:fat) (4) 100 NT (e:ntfs) (5) 90 OS/2 (f:hpfs) (6) 100 data (g:hpfs) (7) 100 data (h:hpfs) (8) 406 free space (NS) 2) Install DOS/WIN 3) Install Boot Manager and OS/2 and add partitions (2), (5) and (8) to the BM menu 4) Install NS into the 406 MBs of free space 5) Boot from DOS and run fdisk /mbr 6) Boot from OS/2 (floppy boot) and reinstall Boot Manager 7) Install NT 8) Boot NT and use Disk Manager to set the BM partition back to active You should now be able to boot all four systems from BM. Thanks again for all your help alann ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Mark Leggott <mleggott@sandnc.stfx.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 16:37:24 -0400 To: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Subject: Re: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep In comp.sys.next.misc article <24r2utINNofd@network.ucsd.edu> you wrote: > In article <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> jkim@panix.com (Joachim Kim) writes: > >Does anyone know if Windows NT, OS/2, DOS AND NT can be loaded under OS/2 Boot Manager? -- Copy of post that might answer your question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >. From: tyler@vanguard.com (Tyler Gingrich) Subject: Dos, Windows, OS/2, and NeXTSTEP Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Reply-To: tyler@il.us.swissbank.com Here is a set of steps (a real kabooki-dance if you ask me) that will allow you to have dos, windows, os/2, and NeXTSTEP on 1 machine using 4+1 partitions on the hard disk. Thanks for this technique go to Richard Low of the Duke University Medical Center (low00001@bullnext.mc.duke.edu). The 486 system is a Dell machine with a 700Mb SCSI drive so the partition sizes are not absolute -- vary them according to your needs..... Tyler Gingrich Vanguard Software PS: I have an RTF version of this document. If you need it, email me at tyler@il.us.swissbank.com. DISCLAIMER: These are my opinions, not those of Swiss Bank or Vanguard Software. ------ CUT HERE --------- Notes on installing DOS, OS/2, and NEXTSTEP for dual boot - Boot OS/2 from diskette and press Escape to get to the [A:] command prompt - Run the OS/2 FDISK program and create the following partitions: 1 MB Boot Manager 20MB DOS Primary partition (drive C:) 64MB OS/2 Extended partition (logical drive D:) 120MB Data Extended partition (logical drive E:) ** Leave the remaining 460+MB free space unformatted ** ** DO NOT create a partition for the remaining space ** - Re-boot the machine and boot DOS from diskette. - Format drive C: and install DOS on drive C: with the following command: format c: /s /u - Now Re-boot the machine with the OS/2 Installation diskette. - Install OS/2 on Drive D: (the 64 MB logical partition) You will be prompted to install OS/2 on the default drive C: You will need to select the option to change the drive which will throw you into FDISK. Just make drive D: installable and proceed. - After OS/2 has been installed shutdown the system. Do a cold power off boot. - Cold boot the machine with the NEXTSTEP boot diskette. - Proceed with normal NEXTSTEP install and you should get the following disk installation option screen: Type 1 to erase the entire disk and use all 667 MB for NEXTSTEP. Type 2 to set aside some space for DOS and use the rest for NEXTSTEP. Type 3 to keep existing partitions and use the 462 MB free space for NEXTSTEP. Type 4 to use the 184 MB DOS extended partition for NEXTSTEP. Type 5 for advanced options (in English only). ---> Choose option number 3 and proceed with the NEXTSTEP install - After NEXTSTEP has been installed, re-boot the machine and select 'd' from the NEXTSTEP boot manager menu to boot DOS. - When DOS has booted, run the FDISK program to set the active partition to the first partition, the BOOT Manager partition. Then exit fdisk. - Now run the DOS FDISK program again but with the following parameter: fdisk /mbr This command removes the NEXTSTEP boot manager from the DOS partition. - Now re-boot the machine and the boot manager should come up. Select OS/2 - Once OS/2 has booted, run the OS/2 FDISK program and name the NEXTSTEP partition and add it to the boot manager menu. - You should now have a machine with DOS, NEXTSTEP, OS/2 listed in the boot manager menu when the machine starts up. The boot manager defaults to the OS that was last booted. >. From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Touch Screen for NeXT Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Reply-To: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu Contact Tom Thibideau at Visus in Atlanta (404) 634-6335 or Eric Level at 47 Software (612) 430-1529. Current supported product: Elographics Intellitouch (acoustic wave) Runs on black really well. (better than the mouse in my humble opinion) Will run on white soon -- mid-September at the latest. peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ Mark Leggott, NeXT Administrator / Database&Network Coordinator Angus L. MacDonald Library, St. Francis Xavier University Antigonish, Nova Scotia, E2G 1C0 Canada ***NeXT Mail OK*** Voice 902-867-2242 FAX 902-867-2334 mleggott@sandnc.stfx.ca ================================================================ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
From: bostrov@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mandelbrot Demo -SLOW in 3.1! Message-ID: <24va5dINN3mt@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 19 Aug 93 07:29:49 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.24va5dINN3mt References: <19317@news.duke.edu> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University I noticed the Mandelbrot slowdown too. I did some timeing, and found that a 68030 (that's right, oh-thirty) cube with the DSP version of mandelbrot (3.0) ran faster than a 486/66. I wonder if NeXT's MAB format does not allow for additional processors of different types - I wouldn't know, but it seems silly not to show off the DSP a little bit. Why did NeXT say the DSP was a mistake? Mandelbrot runs really fast with it. I only wish we had 96002 DSP's, and someone would write a ray-tracer demo. Based on the ALR Pentium 60MHz numbers I saw, expect a DSP-equipped NeXT to be right up there with the Pentium in running Mandelbrot. I always thought the DSP was interesting, but never bothered to learn the DSP assembly language. NeXT needed more "computation" examples, such as Mandelbrot. Sigh. - Vareck bostrov@research.cs.orst.edu
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: upsd Date: 19 Aug 1993 13:44:22 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <25003m$k9u@umd5.umd.edu> Has anyone gotten upsd to work on NeXTstep 3.0? We've got an APC UPS, but that's not the problem. upsd says it forked but quits. I can't figure out why... ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ A celebrity is a person who is known for his well-knownness.
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Copying files to a PC.... Date: 19 Aug 1993 14:58:28 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2504ek$eis@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I'm trying to copy some of the .rtf documentation files down to my PC so that I can print them out but most of the file names are too long. Is there any quick way to just truncate names as I'm recursively copying. Let me know...thanks... CW -- Ryan Wiegner aj681 on Cleveland Freenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: PC Dealer Problems? Not here! Message-ID: <1993Aug17.152028.29616@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 15:20:28 GMT I was just wondering how people were doing wrt getting NEXTSTEP PCs. I've seen a lot of postings from people along the lines of "Help! I can't get <x> to work in order to install NEXTSTEP!". Naturally most of what you hear are problems; satisfied customers don't usually post. I just got an Intel GX Professional (are a lot of these selling?) and it is very fast! I basically didn't want to deal with the headaches of being on my own about installation and problems (Dealer: "NEXTSTEP? Wuzzat?"). I bought it from Alpine Computing Microage and it the experience was great! Much like getting a NeXT machine - I called and ordered from a person who was knowledgable about what the requirements for NS were, the machine showed up, I plugged it and it booted into NS! The only problem was that Intel shipped a bad board. The person I was working with, Kris Magnusson, called their Tech Support and got a board FedExed to me the next day. I hope that this message helps those people who've been considering NEXTSTEP and were confused (like me) by the dizzying array of options available. I really didn't want to spec out a system with no help and have to install it myself (plus I didn't have a CD-ROM drive!). I've had *awesome* service and support from Kris (Alpine has a group dedicated to NEXTSTEP and Unix systems) and I think that anyone who is considering getting a PC to run NS should consider calling Kris. He really bent over backwards to make sure I was satisfied. They deal in much more than Intel GX's, also. No headaches! FYI: Alpine Computing Microage Kris Magnusson (801) 268-8877 Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Alpine Computing Microage or Kris Magnusson, I'm just an *extremely* satisfied customer and I wanted to let everyone else in on the action. - Drew -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 1993 17:02:21 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <24r2utINNofd@network.ucsd.edu> References: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> Keywords: nextstep os2 winnt In article <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> jkim@panix.com (Joachim Kim) writes: >Does anyone know if Windows NT, OS/2, DOS AND NT can be loaded under OS/2 Boot Manager? > > Well, at this point I can't be much help, but this should be possible. I currently have all the systems you mention running on one machine, but I have not been able to get NS to work with Boot Manager. I believe the partition address is off by one and when Boot Manager runs the NS boot sector, the NS boot sector does not find the partition where NS is installed. What I'm doing at this point is swapping MBRs. When I want to run NS I swap in the MBR created by NS, when I want to run NT or OS/2, etc., I swap in the Boot Manager MBR. I've been waiting for several days for an solution from NeXT, but nothing thus far. If anyone has this working, I'd be interested in hearing how you did it. Thanks alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: SND & Music Kit Concepts and Refrence? Message-ID: <Aug.17.13.47.13.1993.11998@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 17 Aug 93 17:47:14 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi, does anyone know where I can find the SND & Music Kit Concepts & Refrence books? Preferably on-line electronic format. I think that the 3.1 Music kit from CCRMA has the DSP portion of the S&M C&R, but I need the whole thing. Muchas gracias for any/all help. Later, John
From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 93 14:36:14 Organization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA Message-ID: <GUMBY.93Aug17143614@tweedledumb.cygnus.com> References: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> <24r2utINNofd@network.ucsd.edu> In-reply-to: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu's message of 17 Aug 1993 17:02:21 GMT Date: 17 Aug 1993 17:02:21 GMT From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Well, at this point I can't be much help, but this should be possible. I currently have all the systems you mention running on one machine, but I have not been able to get NS to work with Boot Manager. I believe the partition address is off by one and when Boot Manager runs the NS boot sector, the NS boot sector does not find the partition where NS is installed. What I'm doing at this point is swapping MBRs. Can LILO boot NeXTStep? It's a free solution that may be easiest of all...
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dos, Windows(NT), OS/2 and NextStep Date: 17 Aug 1993 20:50:37 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <24rgat$20l@nic.umass.edu> References: <24pn53$mr0@panix.com> Joachim Kim (jkim@panix.com) wrote: : Does anyone know if Windows NT, OS/2, DOS AND NT can be loaded under : OS/2 Boot Manager? I have OS/2, Dos, and NeXTSTEP up and running using the Boot Manager. You need to be very careful how you partition your drive though... Boot Manager takes up one Primary Partition, Dos takes up another primary partition...so, you should create a large extended partition to hold OS/2 (and NeXTSTEP if possible, but I couldn't get it to coexist in an extended partition with anything else -- could have been me though)...leaving NeXTSTEP with the last primary partition. 50 Meg DOS Primary 1000 Meg Extended Partition: 500 Meg DOS 120 Meg DOS 380 Meg OS/2 849 Meg NeXTSTEP Primary 1 Meg Boot Manager Primary If you could get NeXTSTEP or NT to coexist in an the Extended partition you would be ok...but you can only have four "partitions" on a hard drive. Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: jake@skatter.usask.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: CLISP??? Date: 17 Aug 1993 21:37:00 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <24rj1s$29a@tribune.usask.ca> References: <none> Good day. I wish to know if anyone has successfully compiled the CLISP implementation on a NeXTstation running the 2.x OS. If so, I would greatly appreciate knowledge of the exact procedure/changes. Thank you. jake -- Jason C. Breckenridge jake@skatter.usask.ca Why you wanna be readin' them long-haired books for, boy? - Foghorn Leghorn
From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/FIP: Can it be installed? Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Aug16193454@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: 16 Aug 93 23:34:53 GMT References: <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University In-Reply-To: bazavan@cup.hp.com's message of Mon, 16 Aug 1993 22:17:34 GMT To: bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) Originator: news@nimaster In article <CBvHxA.24D@cup.hp.com> bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) writes: Before I ordered my copy of NS/FIP, I verified that my PC was on the list of compatible hardware (it was), and that it had enough RAM and disk space to run NS (it did). (Hardware: HP Vectra 486U/66, EISA, 20MB RAM, embedded Ultra VGA video, 240MB IDE drive, 430MB SCSI drive, AHA1740 SCSI-2 adapter, Toshiba XM3401 CD-ROM drive, 3.5" floppy drive;OS: OS/2 2.1 installed on the IDE drive) I'm afraid that's where your mistake was. The AHA1740 is not listed as compatible with NS 3.1 on any guide I've seen. NeXT only claims that it will be supported under 3.2. Now a warning: Warning: Using internal backup device configuration tables This is quite normal for the NeXTstep installation process. Then a failure: PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure (Why, it's there!) Ditto. Anyway, nothing about conditions that might cause the NS install program to not find the CD-ROM drive. (Unless the install program expects the SCSI card to be an ISA card, or to be configured in "standard" mode. If that turns out to be the case, I have no interest in making other attempts to install NS. I'll just write Mr. Jobs to thank him for taking my money.) I can understand how you feel, but I believe for once NeXT was quite clear on this matter in the hardware compatibility guide. If any of you, NeXT enthusiasts, have any suggestions, I would appreciate them very much. You can either borrow a compatible SCSI card, or wait for NS 3.2. The good news is that NS 3.2 is expected RSN. Carl Edman
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Star Trek .rib files (?) Date: 17 Aug 1993 23:57:01 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <24rr8d$e8k@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Forgive me for a piece of unadulterated fluff, but does anybody out there have any good .rib files of Star Trek starships? Any generation would be appreciated, and I'm not just interested in Federation ships, either. Klingons, Cardassians, whatever. Just looking to merge my NeXT with one of my other favorite hobbies! Between the two, I have a pretty good substitute for this thing called a "life" that everybody keeps talking about. ;-] Thanks, Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | No response on any Starfleet channel, sir. However, `---- | there is a related thread ongoing in rec.arts.startrek.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: More Login Tiffs for 3.1 Date: 18 Aug 1993 03:09:25 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <24s6h5$psb@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'm not wild about war, but I am nuts about military hardware, especially aircraft and submarines. Armed with a scanner, I've found some neat pix of nuclear submarines and done them up as login panels for 3.1. All are monochrome and designed for the (black) Megapixel display. If you're interested in that sort of thing, you can get them from yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], in pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------------> Some things have to be believed to be seen. <---------------]
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is th 3.0 C library? Message-ID: <1993Aug17.235245.6545@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: 17 Aug 93 23:52:45 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University I recently ran a Configure script and was asked: What is the full name of your C library? What is the full (path?) name of the C library under NEXTSTEP 3.0? -- kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: austin@netcom.com (Tony Austin) Subject: NSFIP CDPlayer.app Not all CD-ROMs work. Message-ID: <austinCBy288.Asr@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 07:31:20 GMT Trying to get CDPlayer.app working on NSFIP I found that not all CD-ROMs work. I first read the articles about CDPlayer.app and made sure that cdaudio.util and CDPlayer were owned by root and had set uid, and turned on the Public window server. 1) Hooked up a Toshiba CD-ROM (in IBM case); inserted my new CD "4 Non Blonds" and .... grind grind grind for about 10 minutes. I ejected the CD and low an behold CDPlayer.app starts. (I then fiddle for awhile with no better luck.) :-( 2) Disconnect the Toshiba, hook up an NEC-74 CD-ROM; insert my CD and after about 30 seconds...presto "Please eject external disk". (I then fiddle for a while with no better luck.) :-( 3) Disconnect the NEC-74, hook up a TEAC CD-50 CD-ROM; insert my CD and presto CDPlayer.app launches and soon I have wonderful music blasting through the room. :-) So if you can't get CDPlayer to work just keep swaping CD-ROMs until you find one it likes. Greg Lindholm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: DKWAN@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Don't 'Finger' me... :)) Subject: SAD STORY... I was a NSI user Message-ID: <DKWAN.9.745777470@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 16:24:30 GMT Hi there.... Here is a sad story about a NeXTSTEP for Intel processor user.... We have installed a NSI on a 486 DX2 66. One night I was doing C programming on that machine (boot up as DOS), and everything goes fine. When I was done, I reboot the machine and it went back to NSI. But for whatever reason, when the SysOp came back, he said he cannot boot up the NSI. Right now (I think) you can only telnet into that machine. So he thinks I screwed up the machine, and he *LOCKED* out my NeXT account.... :( and even now, he still cannot boot up NSI. Is there anyone know what the hack is going on? Or is there anyone have a similar problem with NSI? That night I was using WATCOM C 8.5 doing some 32-bit programming. And I'm sure the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS didn't changed by WATCOMC or ME... What is going on? Are not NSI suppose can boot up as DOS and run DOS programs? Derek (The one who lost his NeXT account this morning....) Internet Reply: dkwan@SYSTEMS.watstar.UWaterloo.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Derek Kwan dkwan@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (NeXT mail is OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Archie for NeXT Message-ID: <CC0LKL.J58@ucdavis.edu> Keywords: Archie, NeXT, sonata Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 16:24:21 GMT I am looking for an Archie client for the NeXTstation (black hardware running 3.0). I found a package called Archie on Sonata, but it fails to install. Apparently the installation process requires files from superc.che.udel.edu, but attempts to retrieve the files fail (even though I can reach the computer via finger). Does anyone know why I can't install the Archie package from Sonata? Does anyone know of any alternatives I could use? Thanks, Todd Heberlein heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Re: Mandelbrot Demo -SLOW in 3.1! Message-ID: <CC0LDs.Dwv@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <24va5dINN3mt@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 16:20:10 GMT Thanks for the info on Mandelbrot.app! I also have deleted my 3.1 copy, and re-installed my 3.0. Boo on NeXT! (My single test run showed exactly 5 times slower to draw the default view) Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: DKWAN@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Don't 'Finger' me... :)) Subject: SAD STORY.. was a NSI users Message-ID: <DKWAN.10.745780908@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 17:21:48 GMT part II I just checked that machine. No the only thing on the screen was "NO BASIC ROM" and "SYSTEMS HALTED" Derek :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Derek Kwan dkwan@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (NeXT mail is OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Lansky) Subject: slow ethernet problem Message-ID: <1993Aug19.142205.12195@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 14:22:05 GMT We are testing an IntelGX, with an SMC EtherCard+ Elite16-combo. We simply put it in the place of a 68k NeXT running on a local network. Ethernet speeds between the black machines was in the range of 300k to 500k bytes per second. With this machine and card, however, I'm only getting 130k bytes per second. Nothing else on the network has changed. Can somebody tell me what to tweak to get these rates up. This speed is totally unacceptable. Thanks Paul Lansky paul@princeton.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Q@Continuum Subject: Re: SAD STORY.. was a NSI users Message-ID: <CC0qv4.4wE@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo References: <DKWAN.10.745780908@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 18:18:39 GMT In article <DKWAN.10.745780908@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> DKWAN@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Don't 'Finger' me... :)) writes: > > part II > > I just checked that machine. No the only thing on the screen was "NO BASIC > ROM" and "SYSTEMS HALTED" > > Derek :) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Derek Kwan > dkwan@zeus.UWaterloo.ca > (NeXT mail is OK) Geeee.. that's too bad. Now I have to think again to buying NSI. I will use DOS as well as NeXTSTEP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Re: Mandelbrot Demo -SLOW in 3.1! Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 18:41:35 GMT Message-ID: <CC0rxB.29B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <24va5dINN3mt@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana In article <24va5dINN3mt@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> bostrov@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) writes: > I noticed the Mandelbrot slowdown too. I did some timeing, and found that > a 68030 (that's right, oh-thirty) cube with the DSP version of mandelbrot > (3.0) ran faster than a 486/66. I wonder if NeXT's MAB format does not > allow for additional processors of different types - I wouldn't know, > but it seems silly not to show off the DSP a little bit. > > Why did NeXT say the DSP was a mistake? Mandelbrot runs really fast with > it. > I only wish we had 96002 DSP's, and someone would write a ray-tracer demo. > > Based on the ALR Pentium 60MHz numbers I saw, expect a DSP-equipped NeXT > to be right up there with the Pentium in running Mandelbrot. > > I always thought the DSP was interesting, but never bothered to learn > the DSP assembly language. NeXT needed more "computation" examples, > such as Mandelbrot. > > Sigh. Speaking as someone who's buying black hardware with my eyes wide open, I hope our community will fish out all sorts of nifty things from these machines as time passes. Obsolete does not always equal "dead' or "worthless". Ask anyone who enjoys or covets a 60's musclecar. A 426 Hemi is about as irrelevant an engine imaginable these days, yet are being lovingly maintained and even re-manufactured for drag racing and car shows. Pricey, too. In a few years, when the inevitable wave of collectability washes over the computer world, would you rather have one of the 100 million PC's made or one of the rare 50,000 black beauties? Sure, would keep an Apple II GS or a Lisa or a Commodore 64 around...but then again, who knows? Steve
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS Academic NACSCORP Part # again? Message-ID: <19255@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 19 Aug 93 19:28:55 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: cjp@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu Hi all, I let this slip of paper fall out of my grasp. COuld someone mail or post this number again? Thanks much, -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stiv@netcom.com (Stiv D. Ostenberg) Subject: Re: running an intel box from a next turbo via softpc Message-ID: <stivCC0yAx.Lvn@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Aug16.191551.8036@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 20:59:20 GMT fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >A simple question but perhaps a complicated answer. >Would it be possible to connect a PC to a Next turbo running >3.1 and access the intel via SoftPC so that I am using the Next >monitor and keyboard but the intel CPU. >Thanks for the help Simple answer: No. The SoftPC functions by creating an entire PC in memory and running that simulation. There is no way to access an actual Intel CPU. Sorry. -- Stiv Ostenberg stiv@netcom.netcom.com| Sable, Saltairwise, a Claighmore ---------------------------------------+ inverted Argent, a Rowan Branch Or Tech Support, Insignia Solutions | --<------ ------>-- ---------------------------------------+ Conner MacCiaran
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stiv@netcom.com (Stiv D. Ostenberg) Subject: Re: running an intel box from a next turbo via softpc Message-ID: <stivCC0yDw.M16@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Aug16.191551.8036@news.cs.brandeis.edu> <1993Aug18.014620.672@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 21:01:08 GMT spot!ben@cs.indiana.edu (Ben Bernhard) writes: >In article <1993Aug16.191551.8036@news.cs.brandeis.edu> >fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >> >> A simple question but perhaps a complicated answer. >> Would it be possible to connect a PC to a Next turbo running >> 3.1 and access the intel via SoftPC so that I am using the Next >> monitor and keyboard but the intel CPU. >> Thanks for the help >If the intel machine is also running NEXTSTEP, I suppose you could use >openSesame to run SoftPC on the intel machine, and have the GUI run on the >black machine. >-- Might as well wait for the NeXTStep Intel version of SoftPC and use that... :) Stiv -- Stiv Ostenberg stiv@netcom.netcom.com| Sable, Saltairwise, a Claighmore ---------------------------------------+ inverted Argent, a Rowan Branch Or Tech Support, Insignia Solutions | --<------ ------>-- ---------------------------------------+ Conner MacCiaran
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with Next Tex.... Date: 19 Aug 1993 22:18:22 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <250u7e$ll8@menudo.uh.edu> Keywords: no uppercase Greek letters.. I just discovered that I cannot use uppercase Greek letters in Next TeX at all. It just ignores the input when I use \Delta, \Pi etc. I am running NS 3.0 on a mono Turbo. What am I doing wrong or what could be wrong with my set up? (lower case letters and other math symbols work just fine). Thanks. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August Message-ID: <1993Aug19.213010.27416@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> <24e7n9$fq1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 21:30:10 GMT In article <24e7n9$fq1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: >In article <1993Aug12.183440.12747@leland.Stanford.EDU> >spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: [munched quotes from this thread] > > Not having used EquationBuilder in conjunction with PasteUp (I've only >demo'ed EqB), I speak partly in ignorance; nonetheless I disagree with your >statement. My experience is that equations are difficult to get right the first >time. It seems that the process of launching EqB, editing the equation, saving, >going to PasteUp (or whatever), and updating the link to display the current >version of the equation would be more of hassle than, say, editing the equation >natively within the word processor (e.g. Frame). > > I also disagree partly with the notion of importing tables from a >Spreadsheet. For tables of numbers this is fine. However, there are times when >I desire a table of things that don't fall naturally into (what I perceive as) >the spreadsheets domain: tables composed of text & equations. Indeed, creating >a table of text and equations created with EqB could be challenging. > > And of course, with the importing of graphics as equations, it is >doubly important to allow auto-numbering of graphics to provide for equation >numbering. > > Then again, I could be completely off base and it reallsy is simple. >Correct me if I am wrong. >-- >David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu >"Je chante bien, tres bien, merci beaucoup, a la garcon. > I don't know the language, but I got the accent down" > -- John Austin (& and the Embarrassing Young) EqB puts its whole format in compressed form in the comments of its PostScript so when you copy and paste an Eq from EqB into AppX and then later wanna change it, you can just reverse it by copying from AppX and then pasting into EqB and you've got the whole Eq in native form. It's cool (useless for me, I don't have a clue about equations) -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clarance@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca Subject: NeXT Users in Boston??? Message-ID: <1993Aug19.205944.12688@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 20:59:44 GMT One of the doctors here at the Hospital is going to Boston in October. He has asked me to find out about the status of NeXT in Boston. Does anyone no if there is a local users group? -- ============================================================ Clarance Howatt Programmer, Information Systems University of Alberta Hospitals WMC 2C2.21, 8440 - 112th Street,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Message-ID: <1993Aug17.225512.4549@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <1993Aug13.212140.25196@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 22:55:12 GMT In article <1993Aug13.212140.25196@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> andy@philo.mcgill.ca (Andrew Burday) writes: > > 9) Perpetrator ports Microphone to Windoze, all proceeds going to > SVC. That should take the twerp the rest of his pathetic little > life. > We already have a Windows version. Has more of a Windows flavor to it than the NeXT product, but is the same product with the same scripting language. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: SAD STORY.. was a NSI users Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Orlando / Winter Park, FL Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 02:57:03 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug20.025703.21749@bilver.uucp> References: <DKWAN.10.745780908@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> In article <DKWAN.10.745780908@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> DKWAN@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Don't 'Finger' me... :)) writes: > >part II >I just checked that machine. No the only thing on the screen was "NO BASIC >ROM" and "SYSTEMS HALTED" "NO BASIC ROM" huh? That's a typical response when someone tries to use a pure PC-DOS disk (the true blue IBM variety) on a non-IBM machine. The orignal IBM's had part of the BASIC in ROM and their disk basic was an extension of that. If you tried to run that on a machine without a genuine IBM bios that was the error message from what I remember of it. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: netinfo and broadcasthost oop! Message-ID: <CC11ur.1K2@chemelex.com> Sender: root@chemelex.com (Operator) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 22:16:02 GMT Help, I stuck a IP address in the broadcast host field of some window in the host manager and now can't open netinfo,, so my system is booting into a single user mode and does not see any net connections. How can I undo the entry in host manager?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: NFS from VAX to NeXT machine? Message-ID: <CC120D.1q3@chemelex.com> Sender: root@chemelex.com (Operator) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 22:19:24 GMT My sysop of our VAX/VMS mainframe informs me that he has enabled or setup NFS so I can access my files on the VAX using NFS with my NeXT. Well, following the directions in the manuals haven't gotten me anywhere (I'm looking at the Chapter 4 Setting Up the Network File System) How do I configure to see the exported folders from the VAX? Fred Schenkelberg fms@chemelex.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: Tiff and eps to mircosoft office software? Message-ID: <CC127K.1yw@chemelex.com> Sender: root@chemelex.com (Operator) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 22:23:43 GMT A good friend of mine would like copies of the Calvin and Hobbes stuff recently passed over the Next-icon mailing list. But, coping the files to a dos disk doesn't work, as he can only read the header section of the file and does not get any graphics. How should I save the files (TIFF or EPS) such that he can see the graphics on his windows machine? Thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sethross@well.sf.ca.us (Seth Ross) Subject: PS to EPS, page within a page Organization: Albion Books, San Francisco, CA Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:40:36 GMT Message-ID: <CC1urp.5tw@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Hi all. I need to place a one-page excerpt from one FrameMaker document into another Frame document. This is for a brochure: I need to place a page from a manual into a brochure, at 66% (I'll have call-outs and whatnot). Here's what I've tried: save the manual page as PostScript, convert to EPS with PixelMagician (Beta v1.00.X04), and import into the brochure. This displays and prints fine on my NeXT. The EPS file does not, however, open on the Mac, nor does it output on the DocuTech. Does anyone know how to convert a PS file into an EPS file that makes sense to the Mac? Alternatively, does anyone have any ideas on how to place a page from one Frame doc into a second Frame doc. I've tried using "Grab" but the bit-mapped results don't look good. I'm running NS 3.0. --- Seth Ross, Publisher Albion Books, 4547 California St., San Francisco, CA 94118 (415) 752-7666, fax: 752-5417, email: seth@albion.com "Computer books for a converging world."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Any word on serial Drivers? Message-ID: <1993Aug20.092842.853@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 09:28:42 GMT I was wondering if anyone has heard anything else on the serial port drivers, like when they'll be done. Rick
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: followup to printing uppercase greek letters in Next-TeX. Date: 20 Aug 1993 14:16:34 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <252mc2$jrd@menudo.uh.edu> Thanks to all who replied to my Next-TeX question of yesterday. I was not able to print uppercase greek letters like $\Delta$ and $\Gamma$ in my document; they were just ignored by TeX (or dvips, whatever). Here is what I have figured out so far: I was using palatino.sty when this problem was happening. Using the palatino font, usual math equations print fine but uppercase greek letters still don't appear. If I use times.sty, everything is fine. Why is this? I looked at the two .sty files and could not make out where the problem is. There is no problem using cm fonts, of course. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Tony Wosnjuk Subject: uudecode under NeXT mail.app Message-ID: <CC2Bsx.Lrs@Provo.Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Provo.Novell.COM (USENET News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 14:48:33 GMT I love receiving NeXT mail, but sometimes I receive mail which I must run uudecode. NewsGrazer.app has an option to uudecode under "Tools". I wanna know how can I uudecode my mail without the copy-and-paste-create-file-run-uudecode hassle. Is there a uudecode option under Mail.app which I don't know about? I never used TikleServices.app and don't plan on using it right now. Is there an option other than using TikleServices.app. Thanks for any info.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) Subject: Re: SAD STORY.. was a NSI users Message-ID: <1993Aug20.162100.10959@uwasa.fi> Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland References: <DKWAN.10.745780908@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> <1993Aug20.025703.21749@bilver.uucp> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 16:21:00 GMT In article <1993Aug20.025703.21749@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes: >"NO BASIC ROM" huh? > >That's a typical response when someone tries to use a pure >PC-DOS disk (the true blue IBM variety) on a non-IBM machine. and you get this message also if there are no ACTIVE (boot) partition on the hard disk... >-- >Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org -harri- -- ///// Harri Valkama, hv@uwasa.fi (also NeXTmail welcome) ///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland ///// Telephone: +358 61 324 8364 fax: +358 61 324 8465 ///// Anonymous ftp site moderator at garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rav@gf.nsk.su (Alexander V. Russkov) Subject: NS .snd file formats description need. Organization: Golden Field Ltd. Date: Fri, 20 Aug 93 15:11:23 +0700 Message-ID: <AAhS8Tiao4@gf.nsk.su> Sender: news-server@test.isi.nsk.su Hi All! Help me please. I need a NS sound file formats description. Alexander.
From: jamie@lard.ftp.com (Jamie O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Users in Boston??? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 14:13:19 Organization: FTP Software, North Andover, Massachusetts Message-ID: <930820141319@pericles.ftp.com> References: <1993Aug19.205944.12688@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Keywords: BCS, NeXT, Boston NNTP-Software: PC/TCP NNTP In article <1993Aug19.205944.12688@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> clarance@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca writes: One of the doctors here at the Hospital is going to Boston in October. He has asked me to find out about the status of NeXT in Boston. Does anyone no if there is a local users group? The Boston Computer Society has a NeXT User group. We meet once a month on the first Tuesday of the month at MIT. He can send email to bcs-next@mit.edu and/or he may call the BCS offices in Cambridge, MA. The phone number is 617-252-0600, if I recall correctly. I hope this helps. jamie -- Jamie O'Keefe FTP Software, Inc. Q/A Group Leader Phone: 01-508-685-3600 Fax: 01-508-794-4484 Email: jamie@ftp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Thanks for Archie! Message-ID: <CC2IH8.8wq@ucdavis.edu> Keywords: Archie, NeXT Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 17:12:43 GMT Thanks a million to everyone who helped me with my problem installing Archie on my NeXT! The problem I was having was due to the fact that the package on sonata required anonymous FTP access to superc.che.udel.edu in order to download the actual files (neat way to reduce storage space on sonata). Unfortunately, superc.che.udel.edu no longer allows anonymous FTP. Fortunately, several of you pointed out that cs.orst.edu had a complete copy in /pub/next/binaries/wide-area-info (which also has gopher!). Two also sent the package via NeXTmail; Isn't multimedia mail wonderful! Once again, thanks a million for all your help! Todd Heberlein heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: PS to EPS, page within a page Message-ID: <1993Aug20.180120.23812@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <CC1urp.5tw@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 18:01:20 GMT Seth Ross writes > Here's what I've tried: save the manual page as PostScript, convert > to EPS with PixelMagician (Beta v1.00.X04), and import into the > brochure. This displays and prints fine on my NeXT. The EPS file > does not, however, open on the Mac, nor does it output on the > DocuTech. When saving as PostScript (by going through the Print panel), make sure you *don't* have the NeXT Printer selected. If necessary, create another printer in NetInfo - make it an Apple LaserWriter. Also make sure you are asking for device-independant PostScript. This should get you PostScript that can be printed anywhere. Experiment with sending that raw PostScript file to another printer to make sure that the PostScript is okay. Note that displaying the EPS on the Mac will not work; the Mac, not having Display PostScript, requires the presence of a preview bitmap. I think there is a program on the archives to add the Mac preview bitmap for you. Even though it doesn't display on the Mac, it should print properly. If it doesn't, and the raw PostScript file saved from Frame worked okay, then the EPS conversion program is doing something funky. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: npratt@madmax.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cracked_MicrophonePro(1/14) Date: 20 Aug 1993 19:59:42 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <253afe$43n@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Aug17.225512.4549@svcdudes.com> In article 4549@svcdudes.com, moose@svcdudes.com () writes: > We already have a Windows version. Has more of a Windows flavor to it than the > NeXT product, but is the same product with the same scripting language. I used to own the NeXT black version, but was forced to buy the Windows version when I went to NeXT white. Can the Windows version be upgraded to the NeXT white version, when it's available? I sure hate Windows. Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Login Panel Tiffs Message-ID: <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 19:24:46 GMT First, my thanks for all those who have made available login tiffs for 3.1. I wanted to make a comment about login panel tiffs for 3.1. It seems they did two very nice things with the loginwindow: 1) It centers any image. Not just top/bottom as before, but left/right also. 2) The login/password fields are overlayed on the image *including* the field border. This makes it very easy to use *any* image as a login tiff, as long as it is wide enough and tall enough. i.e. the tiff image does not need any special modifications to be a perfectly fine and good looking login tiff. My few favorite login tiffs are just ordinary images that I didn't modify in any way. Ok, the bad part of loginwindow: 1) The login/password fields are *way* too long. It would be nice if there was some .nib file we could modify to specify for ourselves how to center the fields, how big they are, etc. Maybe we'll see that later. Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: daj@ccrma.stanford.edu Subject: Re: SND & Music Kit Concepts and Refrence? Message-ID: <1993Aug20.202319.26824@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <Aug.17.13.47.13.1993.11998@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 93 20:23:19 GMT In article <Aug.17.13.47.13.1993.11998@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > > Hi, does anyone know where I can find the SND & Music Kit Concepts & Refrence books? Preferably on-line electronic format. I think that the 3.1 Music kit from CCRMA has the DSP portion of the S&M C&R, but I need the whole thing. Muchas gracias for any/all help. > > Later, John The 3.1 Music Kit has all of the existing documentation for Music Kit and DSP libraries, including both the "concepts" and "reference". It is more up to date than any currently existing hard copy. The Music Kit package installs the doc on /LocalLibrary/Documentation. The SND functions and such are still part of NeXTstep so documentation of them is NeXT's responsibility.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: daj@ccrma.stanford.edu Subject: Re: SND & Music Kit Concepts and Refrence? Message-ID: <1993Aug20.202525.27058@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <Aug.17.13.47.13.1993.11998@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 93 20:25:25 GMT I forgot to say... the 3.1 Music Kit package also contains a number of articles and papers that have never appeared in NeXT hard copy at all--they appeared in various journals such as Computer Music Journal and proceedings to various conferences.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Does complete reinstall from CD-ROM do disk surface analysis first? Message-ID: <1993Aug20.201312.13252@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 20:13:12 GMT My hard drive is giving periodic problems and I did a complete rebuild from CD-ROM to no avail. I did notice that the rebuild seemed to start loading the software right away. No mention was made of doing a surface analysis as is standard for SVR3.2 UNIX. Is an analysis done? If not where is a utility to do this? I found the formatter_1.2 software on ftp site, but it doesn't appear to do this either - it changes logical and physical block sizes. Rich
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: make_services error Date: 20 Aug 1993 17:21:28 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <25316o$p9i@hub.ucsb.edu> Could someone tell me the significance of the following error: Aug 20 09:28:42 foxtrot syslog: make_services: someone else is already making services. I can find no reference to make_services *anywhere* in the online documentation. Thanks. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where do additional Librarian Services come from? Date: 20 Aug 1993 22:11:08 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <253i5s$7qb@hub.ucsb.edu> I just noticed that a colleague of mine had a much larger set of Services for Librarian on his account than I did. I know that the additional ones are stored in .NeXT/services/Librarian, but cannot remember or figure out how those get there. I ended up adding his to mine by simply editing the file by hand, but there must be an easier way to do this, yes? Interestingly, my colleague says he never did anything to get those extra services; indeed, he did not even know they were there or how to use them! So, what process appends additional Services? Thanks. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Date: 21 Aug 1993 06:13:42 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> In article <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: >I wanted to make a comment about login panel tiffs for 3.1. >It seems they did two very nice things with the loginwindow: >1) It centers any image. Not just top/bottom as before, but >left/right also. I think that's how it worked for 3.0, too. I forget for sure if it was different for earlier versions of the OS, but I think 2.1 also worked that way. In both 3.0 and 3.1, the login text fields are positioned wrt the LL corner *of the tiff*. I made dozens of them based on this principle, so I know it worked. >2) The login/password fields are overlayed on the image >*including* the field border. I'm not sure I know what you're saying here. As with 3.0, there is a pair of plain white text blocks. In 3.0, these blocks were disguised by the fact that your tiff also had white rectangles in exactly the right places, bordered or not, as you chose. In 3.1, the plain text fields are covered up by an image of bordered white rectangles that has a transparent (alpha) background. The text (originally, the words "Name" and "Password") is another tiff with transparent background. Finally, since 3.1 has added power and reboot buttons, the images of those buttons (pressed and unpressed) are four more tiffs with transparent backgrounds. >This makes it very easy to use *any* image as a login tiff, >as long as it is wide enough and tall enough. i.e. the >tiff image does not need any special modifications to be a >perfectly fine and good looking login tiff. My few favorite >login tiffs are just ordinary images that I didn't modify in >any way. That's basically correct, though because of the transparent tiffs overlaid on your image (unless you change them too), legibility could be a problem, depending on the colors of your image. As a matter of fact, your image doesn't *have* to be wide enough or high enough; if it's not, loginwindow simply clears enough screen space to accomodate the text and button areas, which will leave white patches sticking out above and to the right of your (too small) image. >Ok, the bad part of loginwindow: >1) The login/password fields are *way* too long. Too long is a relative concept, I think. They are certainly way too long for any reasonable amount of text. But I think they are the size they are for a prefectly reasonable spatial-design purpose in the original 3.1 tiff. >It would be nice if there was some .nib file we could modify >to specify for ourselves how to center the fields, how big >they are, etc. Maybe we'll see that later. As long as we're wishing, what I'd like is a large, well documented group of user-settable parameters in the defaults database, giving all the relevant sizes, positionings, fonts, and so forth. Perhaps even more useful would be to have the windowserver get the login panel stuff dynamically at each boot and subsequent logout, so we who play with these things would not have to exit the windowserver to see the results of our handiwork. This could actually make things more robust; if you screw up and point to a nonexistent file with your dwrite, it could go ahaead and use a system-provided file, instead of hanging loginwindow and requiring a single-user boot to fix it. Just now what I'd like is a complete set of the known defaults that *could* be specified with DefaultManager, for example. I think the time to move is 1800 seconds. Several people have provided hints on how to discover these things, but I've never understood what NeXT thinks the virtue might be of not simply telling what they know. They seem to like their little mysteries around that place. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----> I've given up bars, rather than be seen as a wag tailing a dog. <-----]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Where do additional Librarian Services come from? Message-ID: <CC3K9D.3ps@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <253i5s$7qb@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1993 06:41:18 GMT If you double-click on a target and select the services pop-up on the inspector you have a couple options. One is "Search In" and the other is "Jot In". If you select Search In, that target will show up under the Librarian services menu item. There's actually a couple fun things you can do with services in Librarian......if it wouldn't hang when you search with "Within" selected as opposed to "Word"... peter Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) wrote: ... : So, what process appends additional Services? -- The trouble with an impressionist, he looks at a log And he doesn't know who he is, standing, staring at this log... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Date: 21 Aug 1993 07:03:04 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <254hb8$sd6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: <interesting comments and wishes for Login Panel nixed> So long as we're making wishes, how about the ability to have a random login panel selected from a directory of images at every logout? I have several nice login panels but I don't want to have to go back to ttys and specify a different one every time I want a change. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Date: 21 Aug 1993 07:35:07 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <254j7b$83q@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> <254hb8$sd6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <254hb8$sd6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Alex Currier <mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote: >So long as we're making wishes, how about the ability to >have a random login panel selected from a directory of >images at every logout? I have several nice login panels >but I don't want to have to go back to ttys and specify a >different one every time I want a change. I've always assumed one could switch the image by hanging a script on the LogoutHook, providing that still works under 3.1, or even in .logout, messy as that might be. But that would still leave you needing to restart the windowserver at every logout, which isn't really the right way to do things, I think. loginwindow.app should do its stuff the right way, that's what! Please don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen, however. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------------------> If there is no other, there is no I. <-------------------]
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Date: 21 Aug 1993 13:17:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <255797$sgc@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE jmb@merit.edu (Jim Blum) writes: >60% of its memory! I could understand NEXTSTEP needing 8 megs to run, but >over 12 megs of RAM just to load the system? Someone needs to trim this thing >down to size. Welcome to UNIX Graphical User Environments. It's just not DOS. That's a Good Thing (tm). Guess what, Win NT will need a comparable amount of RAM. (and it's not even UNIX! Imagine what a real UNIX from Microsoft might take!) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Tiffs of Submarines Date: 21 Aug 1993 14:26:51 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <255bbb$gmp@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'm not sure what interest there really is in these things, though at least 42 people have obtained them since I put them up for ftp (I'm sure some people take what's there and decide later if it's interesting, because I've done it too). Be that as it may, if the submarine pictures are of interest, I added two more to the archive last night. Only one person obtained them afterwards (another missed by mere minutes), so if you're a sub fan (I can't be the only one :-), you may want these. I think they're the best of the lot, good closeups of the incredible bow wave as these beasts plow along the surface at speed. Funny thing about war machines, maybe because I grew up during a World War (the second, thank you very much); I really despise war, but I'm nuts about machinery of nearly every kind, and military machines hold a special fascination, despite their ruinous effects on society. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----------> Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. <----------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@np.com (Paul Nordstrom) Subject: Re: Parallel Port not found (NS/I) Message-ID: <CC35yr.HM@np.com> Organization: NP Consulting, San Francisco References: <24to3f$s2i@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1993 01:40:02 GMT In article <24to3f$s2i@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) writes: > Hy, > > NS 3.1 for Intel does not find my LPT1 Port at 378H/IRQ7. The boot messages > say so, and I don't find something like /dev/lp . > The driver-configuration (with Config.app) is OK and it should be no > hardware problem, since Linux and DOS find LPT1. > > Anyone solved such a problem ? > Any help welcome .... > > -- > "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that" > I know of two conditions that will cause this problem: your printer may not be turned on, or the cable may not be plugged in firmly. Apparently, NS bounces a signal off of the printer at boot time, so it must be operational while booting. From what you say (re Linux and DOS working) this is probably not the solution to your problem, but I felt it was possibly worth throwing out (pun intended :-) -- -- Paul Nordstrom NP Consulting paul@np.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Info about co-Xist? Date: 21 Aug 1993 09:17:45 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <255hr9$rj4@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <237oj7$dnv@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> <24ei1t$o54@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: Pencom I need to controll and display a Mac IIx from a NeXTstation and one solution was Xgator with co-Xist only Xgator no longer exists. Does anyone have any other solutions? maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Revamped Developer Program? Date: 21 Aug 1993 09:27:32 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <255idk$rob@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <m0oRMPZ-000Bj0C@nextsrv1.andi.org> I called and was sent literature, unfortunately I don't have it handy. The way I understand it all developers will be evaluated and some will be waivered from re-applying depending on if your product is shipping. The rest will have to re-apply and pay a yearly fee if accepted. In addition, attending developer camp seems to be a prerequisite. Thats the jist of what I got but none this is fact since I don't have it right here. Hopefully, someone else got the packet that I received almost a month ago. maurices
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTAnswers.tar.Z??????? Date: 21 Aug 1993 13:43:37 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <25559p$uc@steffi.demon.co.uk> Has anybody put together a tar of the NeXTAnswers tree from ftp.next.com yet?
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Info about co-Xist? Date: 21 Aug 1993 21:20:02 GMT Organization: U of Michigan, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <2563i2$pgb@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <237oj7$dnv@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> <24ei1t$o54@tamsun.tamu.edu> <255hr9$rj4@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Keywords: Pencom In article <255hr9$rj4@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > >I need to controll and display a Mac IIx from a NeXTstation and one >solution was Xgator with co-Xist only Xgator no longer exists. >Does anyone have any other solutions? planet X is a product similar to Xgator. You also might go the timbuktu route with softpc and windows running on the NeXT, but that would be really really gross. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: make_services error Message-ID: <CC4KDD.7s6@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <25316o$p9i@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1993 19:48:48 GMT In article <25316o$p9i@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: >Could someone tell me the significance of the following error: > >Aug 20 09:28:42 foxtrot syslog: make_services: someone else is already making >services. make_services is used to build a cache of the known services for use by the Services system/menu. The appkit will execute it under program control to rebuild the cache (for example - an application with dynamic services). make_services uses a lock file to make sure another instance of make_services is not rebuilding the cache also, and issues this message if it can't lock the cache - this means one of two things: 1 another make_services was in progress. 2 a previous make_services was prematurely killed and did not remove the lock file, causing the recent one to believe the cache is locked. >I can find no reference to make_services *anywhere* in the online >documentation. There is mention of it in the services system documentation. Librarian can't deal with the _ too well on a lookup tho - annoying. -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Special Forces ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mathmatica on NeXT & IBM questions Message-ID: <1993Aug22.002140.1@vax2.winona.msus.edu> From: surion@vax2.winona.msus.edu Date: 22 Aug 93 00:21:40 CDT Organization: Winona State University Hello to all you out there on the internet... I need some help. I'm taking both Calculus and Physics this year, and need to use Mathmatica. The question arises here: I have a next cube at home (w/ 2,88 floppy drive) and may need to be able to use my Mathmatica files on an IBM running Mathmatica. So... 1. will my next mount IBM formatted disks (either HD or DD)? 2. will Mathmatica understand files from another machine; are the data structures of the files (not apps) the same? 3. can I use either of my Mac printers (stylewriter and Image writer II) with the next? Are there printer drivers out there to be had? 4. Is there anything else I should know regarding the above? Thanks so much in advance. answers (even partial :-) to these questions would be greatly appreciated seth o----------------o---------------------------------------o---------------o | (?) Stick- | Seth Urion | 662 Main St. | | _|_ figure | <surion@vax2.winona.msus.edu> | Winona, MN | | / \ Graphix | bloom county rules! well, ruled :-[ | 55987 USA | o----------------o---------------------------------------o---------------o If this .sig appears twice, don't kill me. The vax has only been posting it about every other time so...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Aug22.080156.2791@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Keywords: floppy next dos Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 08:01:56 GMT Hi NeXT ones, I must say that using DOS floppies has in my opinion not much improved ;-) when you compare NS2.1 and NS3.0. My problems with it are: 1. in most cases the floppy is not mounted using the name of the label, but with something like /no_name, or /boever (or something similar, I don't remember). Under 2.1 it was always /DOS, which is easy when you want to copy files to/from the floppy with scripts. 2. The date of files was under 2.1 set to something like the year 2099. Under 3.0 it is only 9 hours wrong. Has this something to do with the timezone ??? 3. When you copy a file from hard-disk to DOS-floppy the filename MUST be lowercase. While most filenames in NeXTstep are capitalized. Also automatic conversion to 8.3 format whould not have been that difficult. I don't remember how this case-sensitivity worked under 2.1, but I got much less pop-ups with warnings. If anyone has solutions for these problems, or if you can proove that I'm just stupid, please respond. If this is something we have to live with, maybe some NeXT person can tell us why they changed it and when they intend to change it back/again. Willem van Schaik schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
From: keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Parallel Port not found (NS/I) Date: 22 Aug 1993 09:07:04 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <257cvo$18p@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <24to3f$s2i@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <CC35yr.HM@np.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Paul Nordstrom wrote: : > say so, and I don't find something like /dev/lp . : > The driver-configuration (with Config.app) is OK and it should be no : > hardware problem, since Linux and DOS find LPT1. : I know of two conditions that will cause this problem: your printer : may not be turned on, or the cable may not be plugged in firmly. : Apparently, NS bounces a signal off of the printer at boot time, so it : must be operational while booting. From what you say (re Linux and : DOS working) this is probably not the solution to your problem, but I : felt it was possibly worth throwing out (pun intended :-) You are right, the printer has to be turned on at boot time. I find that somewhat unusual, as NS could be happy with testing the printer port. Thanks anyway ... Alex Keiblinger -- "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) Subject: NXHost too slow to SLIP? Message-ID: <1993Aug22.161920.22286@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 16:19:20 GMT In article <MS-C.745783023.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes: >If you think that X network traffic is bad, take a look at what happens when >you use -NXHost sometime. Use a sniffer to see the gory details. NEXTSTEP >remote is *much* worse than X, to the point that it is nearly unusable over >SLIP links. Is this true, or a to be contrarian statement? 8^) I would like to use my (lonely) cube at home as a server and split the cost of buying software by timesharing one-site-one-user licences with my sister and friends NXHosting over the phone... Is it possible? I've already posted this above citation, seeking other users experience SLIPing with graphical Applications through a modem link... and got no response (except one about NewsGrazer). OK, so let's investigate... To evaluate the amount of information sent by an App to the Display PostScript server during typical program use (eg creating, dragging and coloring some rectangles in Create), I used the command line option -NXShowPS YES localhost> Create -NXShowPS YES |& grep -v % > /usr/tmp/createPS (yes, my cube is *still* named localhost, boring isn't it? 8^) Quitting after one minute of interaction, the file was about 300kb and contained all the drawing commands sent to the DPS server, as checked with localhost> cat /usr/tmp/createPS | pft >& /dev/null This is funny to watch: all the dragging and window resizings are replayed at great speed, only bitmap images are missing (why? Aren't they displayed too?) What I would like to see confirmed is the following: This ~ 300kb/min is compressed when -NXHosting to a remote window server. If so it reduces to 60k, which is below a modem ~ 100k/min (?) speed. Then it seems possible to do the same (use Create as my exemple) via a phone SLIP link. So NEXTSTEP remote is 'comfortably' usable over SLIP links. Suis-je dans les patates? Of course, SLIP editing bitmap images is another 'paire de manches' Raymond Lutz, etudiant 2e cycle matiere condensee, departement de physique Universite de Montreal ND cube newbie wannabie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmorton@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Morton) Subject: RE: Mathmatica on NeXT & IBM questions Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 15:18:51 +0000 Message-ID: <memo.586075@cix.compulink.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In <1993Aug22.002140.1@vax2.winona.msus.edu> <surion@vax2.winona.msus.edu> (Seth Urion) wrote: > 1. will my next mount IBM formatted disks (either HD or DD)? Yes. > 2. will Mathmatica understand files from another machine; > are the data structures of the files (not apps) the same? Yes. I suppose I really ought to have a sig...
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panels: Works of Art Date: 22 Aug 1993 21:59:21 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <258q7p$qc3@news.doit.wisc.edu> Amazing how many hours can go away doing these things! These are for 3.1, and as before, all are monochrome (Megapixel, 2 bits deep). I decided to do up some panels using scans of actual art (reproductions). The most difficult part, I think, was trying to harmonize the work shown with the parts that are needed for the function of a login panel. You'll have to decide for yourselves whether the choices made work. The ten panels are available for anonymous ftp from me at yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], directory pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1, files artworks.README and artworks.tar.Z. The pieces are paintings and works on paper by Fritz Eichenberg, Rockwell Kent, Edvard Munch, Georgia O'Keefe, Odilon Redon, Egon Schiele, Albrecht Duerer, and John Bradley Storrs. Frankly, I think some of them are pretty snazzy! -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--------> Real charity doesn't care if it's tax-deductible or not. <---------]
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Amiga->Renderman (?) Date: 22 Aug 1993 19:49:24 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9308222348.AA15002@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Well, in response to my inquiries about 3D Trek models, the only ones I've found are in Amiga Sculpt3D or VideoScape format. I made one of NCC-1701D using CAD-3D on an Atari ST. If anyone knows of a convertor that can turn any of these files into Renderman, then we might be able to have some Trek ships to play with. Otherwise, things don't look good until someone with 3D Reality or one of the other modelling packages creates one from scratch. BTW, I've gotten so many "Me too" queries from the net, I'll summarize any responses I get on csn.misc regarding these models. Later, Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | IBM isn't really that bad. In fact, they only have `---- | two problems: their hardware and their software.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) Subject: Re: make_services error Message-ID: <1993Aug22.224530.1128@next.cambridge.ma.us> Sender: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us Organization: Simson Garfinkel and Associates, Inc. References: <25316o$p9i@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 22:45:30 GMT In article <25316o$p9i@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > Could someone tell me the significance of the following error: > > Aug 20 09:28:42 foxtrot syslog: make_services: someone else is already making > services. > > I can find no reference to make_services *anywhere* in the online > documentation. > Don't worry about it. It means that Workspace tried to make_services after it was already making services. -- ................................................................simson
From: michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au (Michael Lofquist) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JANA PUBLISHING STILL AROUND ?? Date: 22 Aug 1993 22:54:04 GMT Organization: Technical Development Group, Telstra International Distribution: world Message-ID: <258tec$p7m@turin.research.otc.com.au> Hi, does anybody know if Jana Publishing is still around and are still publishing their by monthly CD ROM with NeXT software etc. I received the first copy, I think is was april - maj, paid them and then nothing !! An email address or fax number would help . Thanks -- -------------------------------------------- Michael Lofquist SIRIUS Object Oriented Technologies Pty Lty P.O Box 408, North Sydney, 2059 NSW Australia Phone: + 61 (0) 18 619 502 Fax: + 61 (0) 2 9222 353 Email: michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au michaell@research.otc.com.au --------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisdom@netcom.com (Scott Wisdom) Subject: Re: NS/FIP works on the ALR Evolution V (Pentium!) Message-ID: <wisdomCC72uz.F5B@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2478or$mtp@umd5.umd.edu> <1993Aug10.143125.20466@afs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 04:23:23 GMT In article <1993Aug10.143125.20466@afs.com> jon@afs.com writes: >| NXBench reported the dhrystones to be ~88K/s (~56 VAX MIPs). >| Norton's SI gave an index of ~135. > >For comparison, what does NXBench report for a 25MHz slab? My 25MHz '040 Cube rated 26k dhrystones, 16.5 VAX Mips. The rating for the pentium is quite impressive in comparisson. I wonder how it rated on the NXFactor - that's where the big is bottleneck likely to be. From what I understand, it may be some time before we see video performance catch up to the Pentium's full potential. The NXFactor measures general video performance, and would shed some light on this. My guess is that this is probably around 2, where it should be much higher (NeXT cube is 1.0). Could someone post these values for various NS/I systems - it would also be very interesting to see the values for each individual test (window, composite,line,userpath,etc.). Scott W wisdom@geom.umn.edu
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING STILL AROUND ?? Date: 23 Aug 1993 05:28:53 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: world Message-ID: <259kil$3dv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <258tec$p7m@turin.research.otc.com.au> In article <258tec$p7m@turin.research.otc.com.au> michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au (Michael Lofquist) writes: > does anybody know if Jana Publishing is still around > and are still publishing their by monthly CD ROM with > NeXT software etc. I received the first copy, I think > is was april - maj, paid them and then nothing !! Well, they just finally got around to cashing the subscription check I send them in June so I assume they are still there. Hopefully when they get around to shipping me the latest CD-ROM they will also ship me the May-June and July-August CDs too. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
From: kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING STILL AROUND ?? Date: 23 Aug 1993 09:45:50 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <25a3ke$2lo@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <258tec$p7m@turin.research.otc.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au (Michael Lofquist) writes: >Hi, >does anybody know if Jana Publishing is still around >and are still publishing their by monthly CD ROM with >NeXT software etc. I received the first copy, I think >is was april - maj, paid them and then nothing !! >An email address or fax number would help . I received issue three a few weeks ago, then - after a while - they send me the bill. They address: JANA Publishing 20 Wade Ave, Suite 520 Toronto, Ontario CANADA, M6H 4H3 Tel: (416) 538-2311 Fax: (416) 922-5597 Internet: info@jana.com, jay@jana.com Hope that helps. Axel -- Axel Habermann \\|// FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 Fehmarnerstr. 4 )o o( eMail: kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de 13353 Berlin (Wedding) \ | / "Wenn Du nicht weisst Germany \~/ was du tust, mach's mit Eleganz!"
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mathmatica on NeXT & IBM questions Date: 22 Aug 1993 19:04:53 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <258g0l$eda@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1993Aug22.002140.1@vax2.winona.msus.edu> In article <1993Aug22.002140.1@vax2.winona.msus.edu> writes: > Hello to all you out there on the internet... > I need some help. I'm taking both Calculus and Physics > this year, and need to use Mathmatica. The question arises > here: I have a next cube at home (w/ 2,88 floppy drive) and > may need to be able to use my Mathmatica files on an IBM > running Mathmatica. So... > 1. will my next mount IBM formatted disks (either HD or DD)? It will mount 1.44 DOS disk. > 2. will Mathmatica understand files from another machine; > are the data structures of the files (not apps) the same? Mathematica Notebooks are plain ASCII files and can be read on any machine that runs Mathematica. However, you will probably need to add CRs to the files generated on the NeXT in order to read them on the Windows version of Mathematica. You'll need to take off the CRs to move the files from DOS to NeXT. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Message-ID: <CC7vL4.Iss@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 14:43:51 GMT > I'm not sure I know what you're saying here. All I was saying here was that in 3.0 you only got the plain white text field. No login/password words, no border to the text field, etc. This meant that to make a reasonable looking login .tiff, you had to take a tiff and put in your own login/password labels, if you wanted them, as well as the text fields themselves. (otherwise you got this plain white text field, which looked ugly) i.e. you had to modify your original image to be a "login tiff". With 3.1, this is unneccesary, though if you want to be fancy, you can do as you have done. (which I love... Certainly not critisizing. :) Michael
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: make_services error Date: 23 Aug 1993 17:16:10 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <25au0q$466@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <25316o$p9i@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > Could someone tell me the significance of the following error: > > Aug 20 09:28:42 foxtrot syslog: make_services: someone else is > already making services. It's a unix program that makes the services menu. You'll occasionally see the above message during login if you have TickleServices running, as it's telling the system to make services (sometimes at about the same time the workspace is telling the system to make services). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 23 Aug 1993 14:34:46 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <25b2k4$sv5@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Subject: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) In-Reply-To: anderson@macc.wisc.edu's message of 21 Aug 1993 06:13:42 GMT Message-ID: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA References: <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 21:45:48 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <254eem$6dq@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > Just now what I'd like is a complete set of the known > defaults that *could* be specified with DefaultManager, for > example. I think the time to move is 1800 seconds. Several > people have provided hints on how to discover these things, > but I've never understood what NeXT thinks the virtue might > be of not simply telling what they know. They seem to like > their little mysteries around that place. Agreed completely. These dwrites seem like a really useful thing to know, and yet they're not documented *anywhere*. I think that it's high time someone started to compile them and post them regularly to the net. Of course, since blanket comments like my last one inevitably result in *someone* telling me to "do it yourself," I suppose I'll just have to do so. :-) And thus, I have culled the comp.sys.next.* articles for dwrite references, and put together a very preliminary dwrite listing. In the future, I see this expanding to become a kind of "Undocumented NeXTSTEP" kind of posting, filled with tidbits such as the API for the new 3.1 screensaver. I'll try to post the list monthly on .announce after it settles down. I hope that many people are willing to send contributions to this listing. In particular, it needs information on the other loginwindow dwrites (both 3.0 and 3.1), and I would love it if people would like to share anything they would like to see in an "Undocumented NeXTSTEP" kind of posting. My rough first draft follows. Flames to a minimum, please, and please send in ideas and contributions (as well as the inevitable correction). Stephen Peters - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *** The Undocumented NeXTSTEP Listing *** *** last updated 8/23/93 *** DISCLAIMER: One of the older NeXTanswers had the following line attached to it: "Warning: we cannot guarantee the support of dwrites in future releases, so do not put this in your application or rely on it in any way." That is probably a good way to look at this list. Many of the items here may be useful, but there is *always* the chance that it won't be around in the next release of the software. One blatant example is NeXTSTEP 3.1's removal or rewriting of most of loginwindow's dwrites. In other words, this information is free. When 3.2 or 4.0 or whatever comes out, it may be worth every penny. The Dreaded Undocumented Dwrites All of the following can be specified at a command-line prompt by typing dwrite <app-name> <default> <value> *or* by using a GUI interface to the defaults database. One such possibility is DefaultMgr [available on the archives ??]. DefaultManager 3.0 is currently under development, and will be available commercially. [this is being done by Drew Davidson, correct? any comments on availability, Drew?] [I've heard that someone has put together a PreferencesModule for changing dwrites. Some mention should probably exist here]. For the most part, the only dwrites listed here are the ones that cannot be changed through Preferences or other means. I. Global dwrites a. Changing the default paper type. If you are using a different kind of paper (such as A4) for all your printing jobs, the dwrite GLOBAL NXPaperType A4 will change the default paper type, thus removing the necessity to change the paper type every time you wish to print. II. Loginwindow.app a. Specifying a screen saver. Until 3.1, you could easily specify a way to move the loginwindow around the screen to prevent burn-in. This was done using loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES In 3.1, this has changed. To prevent burn-in, you can specify loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled YES This will, by default, setup a screensaver which clears the screen to black, writes the hostname in gray and draws a large NeXT cube on the screen. At intervals, the cube and hostname will move to different positions on the screen. [I need more information on both pre-3.1 and 3.1 screensavers, such as TimeToIdle, etc.] b. Changing the loginwindow image. Use the dwrite loginwindow ImageFile <filename> to change the image on the login window. Starting with version 3.1, transparency can be used in the image. c. Running programs on login/logout If you set up the hooks loginwindow LoginHook <path/program> loginwindow LogoutHook <path/otherprogram> loginwindow will then run the specified programs whenever any user logs into or logs out of the Workspace. The LoginHook programs will be run *before* the Workspace starts, and LogoutHook will be run *after* the Workspace finishes, so these cannot be GUI applications. d. Preventing users from powering off the computer. loginwindow PowerOffDisabled YES should make it impossible for ordinary users to turn off the workstation. This seems to work for well for pre-3.1 machines, but there is some dispute as to it's usefulness for 3.1 [can anyone elaborate on this?]. III. Workspace.app a. Specifying programs to be auto-launched. Using the dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths <filename1>;<filename2>;[...] will set the given programs to launch automatically when the Workspace is started. The filenames should be separated by semicolons. b. Changing the default compression utility. You can change the tools that the Workspace uses to create and read its .compressed files by using, for example: Workspace compress /usr/bin/gzip Workspace uncompress /usr/bin/gunzip Workspace AlwaysTarForCompress YES [Is the last one necessary? I don't think so...] c. Changing the default editor. Some people would rather use Emacs or something similar instead of Edit. To use the GUI version of Emacs (available on the archives), use the dwrite Workspace DefaultOpenApp Emacs d. Limiting corefile sizes. Core dumps by default generate extremely large files for debugging purposes. To potentially save on disk space, you can limit the core file sizes using Workspace CoreLimit <size> [will using 0 eliminate core dumps entirely?] Finding Dwrites There are several ways for finding the dwrites that an application can be used. The brute-force method is to run 'strings' on the executable, which will search the executable for text strings and return all the matches. Needless to say, this returns a great deal more than just the names of the dwrites. The following gdb hack has also been posted (posted by Gerben Wierda, from a mail message sent by Art Isbell): --------------------- 1. start the program you're interested in under gdb (e.g. 'gdb /NextApps/Librarian.app/Librarian') 2. give gdb the following string of commands: break *0x5082958 commands silent printf "NXRegisterDefaults(\"%s\", %p)\n", $d3, $d2 cont end break *0x50829f6 commands silent printf " %s: ", *$a3 output {char *}(4+$a3) echo \n cont end break *0x500b620 commands silent printf "NXGetDefaultValue(\"%s\", \"%s\") => ", $d4, $d3 output (char *)$d2 echo \ [registering]\n cont end break *0x500b590 commands silent printf "NXGetDefaultValue(\"%s\", \"%s\") => ", $d4, $d3 output (char *)$d0 echo \n cont end 3. run application then quit after the defaults are printed. ------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steve@eps.netcom.com (Steven Kornreich) Subject: FTP transfer rate over SLIP Message-ID: <netnewsCC8ozM.373@netcom.com> Sender: netnews@netcom.com (USENET Administration) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 01:18:56 GMT I am using a v.32bis modem and a SLIP connectiona nd was wondering if 1.3kbytes a sec is considered good performance..?? -steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mohenly@malahat.library.uvic.ca (Michael O'Henly) Subject: Re: NeXT outlining app (Was: ** RightBrain Sale continues into August) Message-ID: <1993Aug24.024823.15252@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria References: <19453@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <25bdap$ko8@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 02:48:23 GMT In article <25bdap$ko8@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu>, <Hal.Varian@umich.edu> wrote: >I hear that there's a Concurrence 2 in the works, so maybe it will have >bells and whistles---I just want more outlining tools---importing and >exporting, greater flexibility in views, etc.) No kidding! I was _so_ disappointed with Concurrence, especially with all the best-of-breed hoopla. On the Mac I've used Symantec's More for several years and I would be delighted if some future incarnation of Concurrence (or any other NeXT app) could deliver comparable outlining functionality. Michael -- o --/-- __\ Michael O'Henly \ mohenly@malahat.Library.UVic.CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: *Stone Design mail feed back up* Message-ID: <1993Aug24.024958.8727@stone.com> Keywords: bounce Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 02:49:58 GMT Hey folks, If you sent mail in the last week to Stone Design it probably bounced - our feed upstream changed it's IP address and they forgot to mention it to the NIC - It all seems to be better now, so please resend any bounced bits. This also affected ARDI most probably, so they should be back up as well. Your pals in New Mexico, land of the plague and home of the flea. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FTP transfer rate over SLIP Date: 24 Aug 1993 04:36:57 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <25c5t9$hg6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <netnewsCC8ozM.373@netcom.com> In article <netnewsCC8ozM.373@netcom.com> steve@eps.netcom.com (Steven Kornreich) writes: > I am using a v.32bis modem and a SLIP connectiona nd was wondering if > 1.3kbytes a sec is considered good performance..?? > -steve I'll assume you're using GatorFTP... that 1.3kps could be 1.300kps or 1.399kps for all we really know. The things to consider here are what modem are you using, what kind of data are you ftping (.tar.Z files? raw text?), what kind of things are you doing concurrently (using other slip programs at the same time? 3D rendering in the background?) and what is happening on the other end (is your slip server bogged down, using a lame modem?). I regularly get over 1.4kps on compressed data with my ZyXEL U-1496E and nothing else happening simultaneously (well, you know what I mean). I get upwards of 2.7kps on raw text depending on the time of day, the phase of the moon, and the exchange rate of the Ruble. Frankly I don't know of any way to find out if your modem is topped out aside from changing init parameters one at a time and seeing if you get better throughput. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Hanging under NS 3.0 Message-ID: <CC8zp8.75s.1@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 05:10:20 GMT My mono nexstation running NS 3.0 recently started randomly hanging. The problem coincided with my copying and playing around with AC CHEN from the Oregon archive. The problem first manifested itself with AC_CHEN dying on start up with the console message "YOU CHEATED", after working for about 2-3 days. Finally, on or about the fifth try, my machine crashed...viciously. It would hang on booting, when starting local services. (This only a day before I was leaving town for three weeks!) It took me a day to get my system back up, finally succeeding after checking some config files, fsck'ing in all 9 possible orderings of the three mounted volumes several times over. I have no idea what finally worked. At this time, the machine still hangs, but manages to stay up for seemingly random amounts of time (ie. 1 hour - 1 day). I have no idea what triggers it. Engage! now seems to hang sometimes when trying to launch certain apps (while it worked more or less perfectly before), and makes it impossible to launch other apps. Any similar experiences and/or reccomendations? E-mail is appreciated. Thanks, -anwar -- Anwar Mohammed <anwar+@cs.cmu.edu> Voice: +1 412 268 3043 Fax: +1 412 681 5739 Doctoral Student, Computer Science
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: uudecode under NeXT mail.app Message-ID: <1993Aug23.174103.7297@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <CC2Bsx.Lrs@Provo.Novell.COM> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 17:41:03 GMT In article <CC2Bsx.Lrs@Provo.Novell.COM> Tony Wosnjuk writes: -> -> I love receiving NeXT mail, but sometimes I receive mail -> which I must run uudecode. NewsGrazer.app has an option -> to uudecode under "Tools". -> -> I wanna know how can I uudecode my mail without the -> copy-and-paste-create-file-run-uudecode hassle. Is -> there a uudecode option under Mail.app which I don't -> know about? I never used TikleServices.app and don't -> plan on using it right now. Is there an option -> other than using TikleServices.app. -> -> Thanks for any info. Tony, In DEVELOPER MODE in Edit.app you should be able to merely PIPE the uuencoded data through uudecode. This removes part of the steps you're referring to. 1. Hilight the uuencoded data -- begin through end in the mail message triple click the begin line scroll to the end of the message or so SHIFT-Click the ``end'' Command-Copy 2. Open a NEW Edit window Command-Paste Command-ALL 3. Either select a pre-set uudecode option (which you previously added to your ~/.pipedict file) or the generic pipe command -- Command-| 4. enter i.e. (in the pipe mini-window) cd /tmp ; mkdir newstuff ; cd newstuff ; uudecode You should find the uudecoded data off /tmp Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com NeXT-Mail preferred MIME-Mail ok
From: do250@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Simmons) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Date: 24 Aug 1993 08:59:44 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Please excuse the following message, it's important. Re: JAPANYES (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au in: pub/nihongo) Allusions made in the film RISING SUN about a Japanese economic war against America are basically true. If you don't read the book, at least look at the following article: 'japanyes' "Does America Say Yes To Japan?" (revised 3rd ed v072593/short vsn) on INTERNET FTP: monu6.cc.monash.edu.au in: pub/nihongo Before flaming, please consider reading the article. Most readers who would have ignored/flamed this come away convinced after reading it. JAPANYES provides a frightening yet fascinating detailed overview of the Japanese industrial machine. It shows how Japan practices "business is war" to target & destroy U.S. industries. It is a very moving piece filled with many referenced & disturbing examples. You can get 'japanyes' 3 ways: 1)FTP monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (login: anonymous) Its in directory: pub/nihongo as: japanyes 2)The article has been posted in its entirety in soc.culture.usa & sci.econ & misc.test newsgroups. Search on author: do250 or title:'japanyes' for post. 3)Email request to: bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu :put following in message body: FTP monu6.cc.monash.edu.au USER anonymous cd pub/nihongo get japanyes quit (Then wait a day or so and you will get 'japanyes' back as an email message)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) Subject: Re: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Message-ID: <CC9D9x.Dr6@unix.portal.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 10:03:31 GMT This is not NeXT related material, directly, so I do not wish to get into a point by point discussion of the article in question. As members of the computing community, however, we see that things are never as simple as an article compiled by one author. There is no question that companies in Japan do things differently than the US, but there are three implicit problems I have with the article. First, refering to Japan as a single entity. This gives the wrong impression, keiretsu not withstanding. Second, as damaging to US businesses as Japanese tactics might be, US practices tend to be much more damaging. Consider US encryption policies, the flat-panel screen fiasco, and many others. Third, the notion of blocades to US business in Japan has coutner examples, such as Nippon Motorola. Finally, Motorola itself based its six-sigma policy on its experience with trying to enter the pocket pager market. The story is told that Motorola got specs from Japan which they thought were unreasonable, and impossible to achieve and still be profitable. So they thought they would catch the Japanese in the act of being protectionist. They sent employees to Japan with instructions to buy up several dozen pocket pagers at random from retail outlets. They brought them back to the US to test, and discovered to their surprise that not only did every one pass the spec Motorola was given, nearly all exceeded the spec by huge margins. Thus, they discovered that the ridiculous spec they were given was far from outrageous in the Japanese market, it was CONSERVATIVE. I only bring this up because there is a strong, perhaps coincidental parallel with the arguments we NeXT supporters have to field; that to succeed NeXT should stop trying to be innovative, and start playing along with what everyone else is doing, and the story above. In Japan, innovation is equivalent to success, while in the US, innovation usually means protracted conflict, general misinformation, and derision. Japan may be at war with the US, but so is the US. Duane -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Duane Takamine duane@shell.portal.com Island CD Creations Madd Hacker Productions Home of the Sound Site CDROM - nearly 1400 mods on disc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: 2 StartUp questions Message-ID: <1993Aug24.091234.231@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:12:34 GMT Hello all, I know I can put a StartUpScreen upon stratup, but is there a way to have a QuickTime clip and/or a sound sample played at startup? If possible, please e-mail me. Thanks in advance Patrique pat%cesar@cam.org
From: jin@revenge.rutgers.edu (#ifdef) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Message-ID: <Aug.24.09.57.55.1993.14009@revenge.rutgers.edu> Date: 24 Aug 93 13:57:55 GMT References: <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. All I know is the bad treatment software developers in Asia received from Canon. Canon had been successful in killing Apple in Asia until Apple realized it and set up offices to sell the machines themselves. See the thread "Why Canon is killing NeXT ..." in comp.sys.next.advocacy. Gavin
Control: cancel <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> From: do250@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Simmons) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Date: 24 Aug 1993 08:59:44 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <cancel-25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Clean up after mass posting.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: GW 2000 and NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug24102515@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 15:25:15 GMT There has been some discussion about what Gateway configuration to buy, how to configure it, and how well it runs NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Below is my set of experiences, which I offer by way of example to show the various trials I faced, and hopefully to reduce those of others who follow. I do finish with a few QUESTIONS, which can be found under the heading QUESTIONS. If you know about Gateway 2000 systems and their vagaries, please see if there are any questions you can help with. MY SYSTEM: Recent Dx2/66V with 16MB memory, 256K cache 424MB IDE WD 'Pihrana' drive (for NS/FIP) 212MB IDE WD " " (for DOS/Windows) 1542C Adaptec SCSI Controller NEC CDR84i CD-ROM (SCSI)* ATI Ultra Pro Graphics Video card w/2MB Gateway 2000 "Telepath" Fax/Modem w/ much bundled DOS/Windows software * Do NOT get the Gateway CD-ROM as it will not work with NS/FIP. It is not SCSI. NextStep won't understand it and you will ultimately have to send it back and get frustrated. I have not yet used the modem as I await my phone line. I understand there are Serial driver problems with NS/FIP, so my phone line and the driver fix may come hand in hand. I recommend that you get the NeXTAnswers index, and then the article about Gateway. This can be done by sending e-mail to nextanswers@next.com, subject INDEX ASCII. At the time it included no information about the currently shipping X30 Micronics motherboard, but has been updated to reflect the manufacturing shift within Gateway. If you are going to jump for a sound card, get the article from NextAnswers about the one you are interested in, as there are some serious problems with the popular sound cards. I am waiting for that to shake out, or someone to make a solid recommendation. ORDERING When I ordered, the Gateway salesperson I had knew nothing about NextStep, and that was fine with me. I'm a do-it-yourselfer when it comes to these things. I now realize that letting Gateway know exactly how you want the system configured will save you headaches down the road: 1) Ask to have the W7 jumper installed. This is a keyboard configuration jumper, which enables 'PS/2 keyboard' operations. It is documented as RESERVED on system charts in the manual, but is easily located on the motherboard if you read the manual. It is critical to a successful installation. You may have to do this yourself, which involves removing the cover of the machine. 2) If you want DOS/Windows at all, choose a disk configuration you like and have them partition the primary disk with adequate space for NS/FIP (unformatted) and a minimal DOS installation. NS/FIP will *not* install in a dual boot mode unless there is both a DOS partition and a NS partition on the primary drive. Here I screwed up. I had them install the DOS/Windows suite on the 212, assuming that I could use the entire 424 as a NS drive. This worked, but left me unable to access the DOS boot, because I had given the entire 424 over to NS. Let DOS have a minimum of about 7 or 8MB on the primary disk if you want no trouble. DOS can be entirely installed in about 7MB and then you can shift to another drive for your DOSsy stuff when booted to DOS. I have now given a miserly 1MB to DOS on my primary, and shift immediately to an 'Extended' DOS partition on my secondary (212MB) drive when booting to DOS. This re-installation required FDISKing the primary and secondary drives and performing a *very* manual install of DOS on the D: drive. DOS SETUP is not designed to let DOS go anywhere other than the C: drive. 3) If you are ordering a modem from Gateway ( I have no experience with mine yet), have them install the modem as COM2 and the mouse as COM1. NS must have a serial mouse at COM1 during install. It can be moved to COM2 as a configuration option, but why bother if you can't operate the configuration program with it at COM2. They set up my system with the modem at COM1, and the mouse on COM2. It took some messing to straighten this out, as they were fast and loose with the ribbon cables coming off the motherboard. Docs said that the 9 pin was COM1, but due to the modem, they cabled my 9 pin up as COM2. Had to trace back to the motherboard connection to figure that one out. 4) NS wants a minimum of 16MB memory to run. That is what I ordered. I now have a minimum NS system with a fully populated set of 4MB SIMMs. If you buy a 16MB system, insist on a 16MB SIMM module. Now, if I want to upgrade my memory, I'll have to start throwing away good 4MB SIMM modules! 5) Gateway is now shipping an ATI card that they regard as new and improved over the Ultra Graphics Pro. The Ultra Graphics Pro is supported, make sure the newer card is before you get frustrated trying to make it work in some compatibility mode. PRE-INSTALL Check that the W7 jumper is where it ought to be. See that your mouse is on COM1. Install your SCSI CD-ROM player yourself (Gateway doesn't sell one!). Check the install of DOS if you care. Do not place a primary DOS partition on more than one disk. NS boot will not understand this and hung my system during NS boot. Use the DOS extended partition for secondary disks. Follow the BIOS setup configuration stated in the NeXTAnswers help on Gateway. It does not cover IDE drives, and I've had mixed success with two IDE drives both Auto Configured and set in Block Mode On (see QUESTIONS below), INSTALL I saw a note in the Release Notes for 3.1 that on some systems you must eject the 3.5" diskette once the banner "Mach Operating System" appears, or things don't go so well. I did this, but don't know whether it was important. Much has been written about installing with the keyboard detached. With the correct installation of the W7 jumper, this was *not* necessary for me. When working through the NS install, you will see disturbing messages about the failure to find the pointing device, but then magically it works anyway. This is a mirage. The default for the install program includes a bogus B/W screen definition and a serial mouse (which works for you!). However, the driver that gets loaded into your permanent configuration is the PS/2 Mouse driver. Once you reboot, your mouse will be lost to you due to the driver that doesn't drive your mouse. All you have to do is configure the serial mouse and drop out the PS/2 Mouse driver within the configuration phase. If you screw up, you can recover. When the 'boot:' prompt appears, you can type 'config=default' and you will boot into the bogus B/W screen and serial mouse used during installation. You can move to the Configure.app and reconfigure your mouse properly. Note: If you have no sound board, like me, NS/FIP loads no sound capbility whatsoever. You must load the 'beep driver' in Configure.app to even get the smallest beeps out of your system. In spite of the dire warnings from NS, I installed the entire User and Dev systems 3.1 leaving off only the literature and Webster packages from the User system and it came to only 205MB. This after hearing that 330MB was a bare minimum and 400MB was recommended. I have yet to actually develop anything so I will see what consumption is like. I am a Unix person, so the native NS install as a standalone system left me a bit preturbed. The root account defaults to no password. The default account, 'me' hangs its directory off the root. You may wish to change this. I created a directory, '/u' and hung my user accounts off that. I also protected my root account with a password and removed the 'me' account from the system. QUESTIONS In spite of all this apparent success, a minor glitch still plagues my system. With two IDE drives, and a two partition primary, I experience *no* trouble booting to DOS. The C: and D: drives appear, and I move easily between them. Boot is no problem. The D: drive is an 'extended' DOS partition, as NS suggests. However, when I boot to NS, there is a troubling delay in the kernel intialization phase as it registers devices on the system. After finding my primary drive (hd0), there is a long delay, and when I get frustrated with the wait, I hit the keyboard. This produces a message: ide: Read error status=0x50,error=0x00,........ Followed by a message that hd1 is not in a known format, and has no valid label. When I enter NS, there is a pop-up that the drive is unreadable and it asks if I want to initialize it. I say no [ignore] and the drive is inaccessible to the system from NS. If I am overly impatient and strike the keyboard many times during this delay, the keyboard may become unavailable to log in. Any ideas? I didn't install Webster or Literature. Are they runnable from CD? How? Too slow to even bother, or tolerable? Other than root, what accounts are wide open on the system. I tried news, which appears to have a password. I will look through /etc/passwd. Any clues? Sound card? With Adaptec 1542C in the system Pro Media 16 can freeze up. This sounds like a show stopper. Where is this being addressed? Other alternatives? Is SoftPC available for NS/FIP? How much and/or when? CREDITS Many thanks to the comp.next.misc group, especially Paul Sears (sears@uh.edu) and Robert Lutwak (robert@argon.mit.edu) for early work on the W7 jumper. Their notes were critical in getting through a smooth install. Questions? I'll try to help, but I have explained much of what I know in this posting. Dean Banfield dean@world.std.com -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing .RFTD files... Date: 24 Aug 1993 16:04:21 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <25de65$kb1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I have no printer on my NeXT and would like to print out some .RFTD files out. Can I easily hook up a HP LaserJet to my NeXT or what program should I run on my OS/2 box? Please reply... CW -- Ryan Wiegner aj681 on Cleveland Freenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@worf.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Subject: Moving the doc Message-ID: <1993Aug24.164121.174565@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 16:41:21 GMT I don't know if everyone else has figured this out and I missed it or what but seeing as how I haven't seen it I thought I'd post it to the net. Under 3.1 you can set the docs position. Some may have noticed this when you left the doc somewhere other than the top and logged out. If you go into the defaults database you can set the following options: dwrite Workspace DockOrginX (some number) dwrite Workspace DockOrginY (some number) dwrite Worksapce DockOnTop (0 or 1 for true or false) Yes this means you can place the doc on different places on the X axis than its default (the right side). I would guess that this was added for other than 1120 X 832 screen sizes. Now if we can just make menus go the opposite direction we'll all be very confused :) Just a little FYI. -Mont -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO)
From: do250@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Control: cancel <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 24 Aug 1993 16:53:38 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <25dh2j$pfp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cancel <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Date: 24 Aug 1993 16:53:59 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <25dh38$q1t@morrow.stanford.edu> References: <254hb8$sd6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Alex Currier <mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu> writes: > So long as we're making wishes, how about the ability to have a random login > panel selected from a directory of images at every logout? I have several > nice login panels but I don't want to have to go back to ttys and specify a > different one every time I want a change. I set up such a scheme for a bunch of networked NeXTs under 3.0, and though I haven't yet set it up again under 3.1 yet, it should work with little or no modification. The idea is add an entry to the /usr/adm/daily script to change the loginwindow's ImageFile entry to a random one in a directory of tiffs. This in itself doesn't change the login window, but if the machine gets rebooted or the window server restarted, you get a different login window. What I was primarily interested in doing was figuring out how to 1) choose randomly from a 'csh' script, and 2) determine from a script whether I was on a black & white or color machine. First these two scripts: /usr/local/bin/random: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/csh -f # Randomly returns one of it's arguments # C.D.lane (lane@camis.stanford.edu) # Wed Jun 30 11:07:25 PDT 1993 if ($#argv == 0) exit 1 set pattern = '^.*\([0-9][0-9]*\) [0-9][0-9]:\([0-9][0-9]\):\([0-9][0-9]\) .*$' set random = `date | sed "s/${pattern}/\1 \2 \3/"` @ random = ( ( $random[1] + ( $random[2] * 60 ) + $random[3] ) % $#argv ) + 1 echo $argv[$random] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 'random' script randomly returns one of it's arguments based on time of day AND day of the month. (So that it doesn't alway return the same value every day if used in a cron script!) /usr/local/bin/color: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/csh -f # Determines if localhost is color or B&W based on NetInfo information. # C.D.lane (lane@camis.stanford.edu) set hostname = `hostname` set domain = '/' niutil -read $domain "/machines/$hostname" | grep -e '^system_type:.*Color.*$' >> /dev/null ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 'color' script assumes you keep the 'system_type:' machine field in NetInfo up to date. It will exit with $status = 0 for a color machine otherwise = 1. Now the script that updates the ImageFile, call it from /usr/adm/daily, updateloginwindow: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/csh -f # Randomly change the NeXT login window image # C.D.lane (lane@camis.stanford.edu) set image_dir = '/LocalLibrary/Images/Login' /usr/local/bin/color if ( $status == 0 ) then set image_dir = ${image_dir}/Color else set image_dir = ${image_dir}/Monochrome endif if ( ! -e $image_dir ) exit(1) set tiff = `/usr/local/bin/random ${image_dir}/*` if ( $status != 0 || $tiff !~ *.tiff ) exit(1) /usr/bin/dwrite loginwindow ImageFile $tiff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Although this will only take effect if a machine gets rebooted or the window server restarted, you'll be surprised in a large network of machines how quickly they will all start to have different login windows.... - Christopher
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: wu-ftpd on NeXT? Date: 24 Aug 1993 17:00:58 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Aug24190100@dannug.dannug.dk> References: <KARTHY.93Aug15215313@dannug.dannug.dk> <9322919.2281@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <KARTHY.93Aug18190641@dannug.dannug.dk> In-reply-to: karthy@dannug.dk's message of 18 Aug 1993 17:06:41 GMT >>>>> On 18 Aug 1993 17:06:41 GMT, karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) said: > I have compiled and installed wu-archive's ftp-daemon release 2.1B, > and all works just great except the automatic tar and compress > functionality. > > I can receive and transmit files, but the daemon has the ability to > create a .tar and .tar.Z file on the fly, but I can't make it work. > > I have installed a copy of both compress, ls and gnu-tar in ~ftp/bin. > > Anyone got a clue?? > > Btw: I'm running 3.1PR1, but I don't think that is the problem! > After help from David Meyer (dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu), I finaly got the ftpd to work right. David send me a mail of his configuration, and I'm not sure wich change it was, but it helped to install "sh" in the ~ftp/bin directory so that my ~ftp/bin is: ---x--x--x 1 root ftp 8140 Jul 19 23:39 compress ---x--x--x 1 root ftp 49152 Jul 19 23:39 gzip ---x--x--x 1 root ftp 106496 Jul 19 23:39 ls ---x--x--x 1 root ftp 122880 Aug 24 18:19 sh ---x--x--x 1 root ftp 114688 Jul 19 23:39 tar and the permissions on ~ftp/usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib is -r-xr-xr-x 1 root ftp 934608 Jul 19 21:39 usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib* And now it just works!! Thanks David! Below I'm posting David's mail to me which also shows hot to use gzip in cooperation with ftpd: >>>>> On Tue, 24 Aug 93 10:20:29 +0200, Karsten Thygesen <karthy@dannug.dk> said: KT> Well...It's not that important and the basic ftp features KT> works just great, but I sure would like to have automatic KT> tar and compression to work. KT> I sure would like to se your config files and perhaps a KT> listing of what you got in /etc and /bin in ~ftp/ /ftp has -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp 6 Apr 14 18:31 .forward -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11865 Aug 24 02:11 00ls-lR.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root 1549 Apr 14 18:32 README.ftp d--x--x--x 2 root 1024 Jul 23 09:11 bin/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 root 1024 Apr 15 15:25 etc/ drwxr-xr-x 2 ftp 1024 Jul 16 13:48 incoming/ drwxrwxr-x 5 root 1024 Jul 7 19:08 pub/ dr-xr-xr-x 5 root 1024 May 28 12:44 usr/ in /ftp/etc: total 3 -r--r--r-- 1 root 281 Jul 14 13:48 group dr-xr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 12 14:11 msgs/ -r--r--r-- 1 root 527 Jul 14 13:53 passwd in /ftp/bin: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 19 Jul 23 09:10 compress -> ../usr/ucb/compress*@ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 21 Jul 23 09:11 gzip -> ../usr/local/bin/gzip*@ ---x--x--x 1 root 106496 Nov 20 1992 ls* ---x--x--x 1 root 122880 Nov 20 1992 sh* in /ftp/usr drwxr-xr-x 3 root 1024 May 28 12:42 local/ dr-xr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Apr 14 17:45 shlib/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 28 12:44 ucb/ usr/local: total 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Jul 23 08:58 bin/ usr/local/bin: total 124 -rwxr-xr-x 4 dmm0t 39580 Aug 21 01:20 gzip* -rwxr-xr-x 2 root 1828 Apr 14 07:09 gzip2comp* -rwxr-xr-x 2 dmm0t 84152 Jul 9 08:33 tar* usr/shlib: total 848 -r-xr-xr-x 2 root 855958 Jul 21 1992 libsys_s.B.shlib* usr/ucb: total 9 -rwxr-xr-x 4 root 8280 Jul 21 1992 compress* group looks like daemon:*:1:daemon,root sys:*:2: bin:*:3:root uucp:*:4: kmem:*:5: news:*:6: tty:*:8: operator:*:9: staff:*:10:root,dmm0t other:*:20:dmm0t,cbc0b,root,crb7q,kaw4t,sts6f,csm5e,prt7u wheel:*:0:root,dmm0t ingres:*:7: nogroup:*:-2: ftp:*:21:ftp,root,dmm0t ftpmail:*:22:ftpmail,root,dmm0t passwd looks like root:*:0:1:Operator:: nobody:*:-2:-2::/tmp: sync:*:-2:-2::: agent:*:1:1::/tmp: daemon:*:1:1::/tmp: sys:*:2:2::: bin:*:3:3::/bin: uucp:*:4:4::: news:*:6:6::: sybase:*:8:8:Sybase Administrator:: dmm0t:*:2501:20:David Meyer:: ftp:*:21:21:Anonymous ftp account:: games:*:25:20::: kaw4t:*:4135:20:Kent Watsen:: crb7q:*:1697:20:Dale Bass:: cbc0b:*:2570:20:Brian Cadieux:: ftpmail:*:100:22:ftp->email gateway:: prt7u:*:1317:20:Pete Thorsen:: sts6f:*:2994:20:Sonya Smith:: csm5e:*:2404:20:Chris Marron:: guest:*:101:20:Guest account:: my ftpaccess looks like #deny * /etc/msgs/msg.dead deny !nameserved /etc/msgs/msg.noname loginfails 2 class local real *.virginia.edu class local anonymous holmes.acc.virginia.edu class remote real,anonymous * limit dead 0 Any /etc/msgs/msg.dead limit local -1 Any /etc/msgs/msg.toomany limit remote 5 Any /etc/msgs/msg.toomany readme README* cwd=* message .message cwd=* message /etc/msgs/welcome.msg login compress yes remote local tar yes remote local log commands anonymous log transfers anonymous outbound passwd-check rfc822 enforce private no shutdown /etc/msgs/shutdown delete no guest,anonymous # delete permission? overwrite no guest,anonymous # overwrite permission? chmod no anonymous # chmod permission? umask no anonymous # umask permission? alias TS: /pub/next/TickleServices upload * no upload /incoming yes root other 0644 dirs upload /pub/pratchett/incoming yes root other 0644 dirs upload /pub/next/TickleServices/incoming yes root other 0644 dirs path-filter anonymous /etc/msgs/pathmsg ^[-A-Za-z0-9_\.]*$ ^\. ^- path-filter guest /etc/msgs/pathmsg ^[-A-Za-z0-9_\.]*$ ^\. ^- email ftp@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu my ftpconversions looks like # This file is scanned backwards, using a first match algorithm. # #strip prefix:strip postfix:addon prefix:addon postfix:external command: #types:options:description :.Z: :.z:/usr/local/bin/gzip2comp -Zz -c %s:T_REG:O_UNCOMPRESS|O_COMPRESS:UNCOMPRESS+GZIP :.z: :.Z:/usr/local/bin/gzip2comp -zZ -c %s:T_REG:O_UNCOMPRESS|O_COMPRESS:UNGZIP+COMPRESS :.z: : :/usr/local/bin/gzip -d -c %s:T_REG|T_ASCII:O_UNCOMPRESS:UNGZIP :.gz: : :/usr/local/bin/gzip -d -c %s:T_REG|T_ASCII:O_UNCOMPRESS:UNGZIP :.Z: : :/usr/ucb/compress -d -c %s:T_REG|T_ASCII:O_UNCOMPRESS:UNCOMPRESS :-z: : :/usr/ucb/compress -d -c %s:T_REG|T_ASCII:O_UNCOMPRESS:UNCOMPRESS : : :.z:/usr/local/bin/gzip -c %s:T_REG:O_COMPRESS:GZIP : : :.gz:/usr/local/bin/gzip -c %s:T_REG:O_COMPRESS:GZIP : : :.Z:/usr/ucb/compress -c %s:T_REG:O_COMPRESS:COMPRESS : : :.tar:/usr/local/bin/tar -c -f - %s:T_REG|T_DIR:O_TAR:TAR : : :.tar.z:/usr/local/bin/tar -c -z -f - %s:T_REG|T_DIR:O_COMPRESS|O_TAR:TAR+GZIP : : :.tar.gz:/usr/local/bin/tar -c -z -f - %s:T_REG|T_DIR:O_COMPRESS|O_TAR:TAR+GZIP : : :.tar.Z:/usr/local/bin/tar -c -Z -f - %s:T_REG|T_DIR:O_COMPRESS|O_TAR:TAR+COMPRESS That's basically everything I can think to send, barring binaries. Let me know if you want anything else. Dave Karsten. -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 President, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
From: bscott@bnext.gatech.edu (Ben Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Curing a ThinkPad of Windows Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 24 Aug 1993 17:56:38 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <bscott-240893135202@128.61.21.34> Help. I am tired of Windows. I would like to use NeXT Step on it. What do I need to do to have this ThinkPad run NeXTSTEP? How much memory do I need for a good running copy? How much hard disk space? 120 or 200? Thanks in advance for your help.... Ben Scott Helping to turn big Blue to a portable Black cube....
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Message-ID: <Aug.24.14.33.36.1993.13613@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 24 Aug 93 18:33:36 GMT References: <25cla0$1ko@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <CC9D9x.Dr6@unix.portal.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) writes: >means protracted conflict, general misinformation, and derision. Japan >may be at war with the US, but so is the US. > Duane Well I know what side of the pond I'm on and Id prefer for the US to have the upper hand. Actually if congress wasnt so full of Japaneese lobby'ists and an economic war was waged, I dont think the US would have too many problems relative to the problems Japan would experience. The Japaneese are shrewd and smart and you cant fault them for their tactics, its our own fault that we have these dumb trade problems (by opening our market and political system more than any other nation). But one thing is for s ure, I feel absolutely NO sympathy for Japan because of the relatively few and inept trade barriers put up by the US (perhaps we should just hand over all our wealth and get if over with?). Later, John
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXHost too slow to SLIP? Date: 24 Aug 93 14:05:24 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Aug24140524@nic.gac.edu> References: <1993Aug22.161920.22286@cc.umontreal.ca> <1993Aug22.232826.2974@csus.edu> In-reply-to: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU's message of Sun, 22 Aug 1993 23:28:26 GMT In article <1993Aug22.232826.2974@csus.edu>, eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >Odds are, if you examine a typical NEXTSTEP program (using >-NXAllWindowsRetained and/or -NXShowAllWindows) you'll >see a lot of unnecessary drawing. At Ethernet speeds, this >is no big deal, but over a low-speed link it's a killer. > >Application developers: please read NeXT's document called >"Improving Drawing Performance." Also, learn how to use display >methods (including -disableDisplay). Even running on the local >WindowServer the speedups can be noticeable. YES! This is an area that I think people just forget to cover when they are writing programs. Sometimes I'm almost in physical pain seeing programs that are slow in various aspects when I _know_ from experience that they could be _fast_ in that area. They just need some work. After the majority of the program is done, _all_ developers should spend a week or so running -NXShowPS and _reading_ the output. Look for things like "0 setgray 1 setgray" and other code that is useless. Then look for code that is redundant and can be removed, and look for ways to rearrange other code so that some code is then redundant and can be removed. Then, look for code that can be made more efficient by drawing it differently (instead of "1 setlinewidth 10 10 lineto 20 10 moveto stroke", use "10 10 10 1 rectfill", or better yet use NXRectFill()). In other words, figure out the absolute optimal code for what you are trying to do by hand - and then see if you can make your program generate that code when it needs to accomplish that output. Then, look for things that can be "railroaded" so that transmission time is shorter (instead of two NXRectFill() calls, use a single NXRectFillList()). Don't use multiple PS*() calls, instead put them all into a single pswrap and call _that_. Read the Adobe Purple Book, and then read it again. In my experience, the major debit from sending too much code to the windowserver is _not_ that it takes longer to draw - it's that it takes longer to encode it, send it, and then decode it on the server. Doing "0 setgray 1 setgray" doesn't take very long at all to run on the windowserver, because it really doesn't _do_ anything, but it requires a disproportionate amount of time to transmit relative to the amount of work it accomplishes. This overhead is your enemy. [Often people ask me "How can I improve my app." Me being a benevolent guru, I always answer ... and I always say something on the order of "spend about 16 more hours in InterfaceBuilder." They go "Why? What should I do?", to which I must respond "_Find_ things to do. Look at other programs and figure out what you like and dislike about them, and fix your GUI elements so that the likes are pandered to, the dislikes removed. If you can't spend 16 hours just looking for things to change, perhaps you should look for a different job." This same theory applies to optimizations. No, you should not make optimizations your fundamental core goal of everything. But, you _should_ spend a significant amount of time towards the end of the project reviewing things. Likewise, you should spend a lot of time at the beginning of rewrites or redesigns pondering why the previous version _wasn't_ efficient. At NeXT, I know that in the past that a quarter or so before release they had a month devoted entirely to performance considerations. I don't think this much is necessary for most projects - most projects need merely a week or two - but it does indicate that performance is important.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: NXHost too slow to SLIP? Message-ID: <CCA5o6.KL4@world.std.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Aug22.161920.22286@cc.umontreal.ca> <1993Aug22.232826.2974@csus.edu> <SCOTT.93Aug24140524@nic.gac.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 20:16:54 GMT Note the followup, this is a really good thread to keep going I think.. In article <SCOTT.93Aug24140524@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: >In article <1993Aug22.232826.2974@csus.edu>, > eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >>Odds are, if you examine a typical NEXTSTEP program (using >>-NXAllWindowsRetained and/or -NXShowAllWindows) you'll >>see a lot of unnecessary drawing. At Ethernet speeds, this >>is no big deal, but over a low-speed link it's a killer. >> >>Application developers: please read NeXT's document called >>"Improving Drawing Performance." Also, learn how to use display >>methods (including -disableDisplay). Even running on the local >>WindowServer the speedups can be noticeable. >[..] >After the majority of the program is done, _all_ developers should >spend a week or so running -NXShowPS and _reading_ the output. >Look for things like "0 setgray 1 setgray" and other code that is >useless. Then look for code that is redundant and can be removed, >[...description of optimizing PS ...] Optimization of PostScript for heavy drawing areas is a good idea, but I find most applications suffer from misuse of AppKit objects more than misuse of PS. E.g. Browsers/Matrices being loaded and reloaded several times, inspectors doing lots of updates, controls having their values set to the same thing over and over - this can be far more damaging than an extra setgray here and there. A couple tricks I adopted early on (maybe it was because I had an '030) was to: - override Application so that if updateWindows is called it happens only ONCE for that event. - write a couple categories for Cell and Control which has methods like setFastEnabled, setFastIntValue, etc. etc. These will only set the value if it is changing - otherwise AppKit objects redraw everytime you set the value regardless of whether it changed or not. - for things like matrices/browsers I use a change count for the data they represent - only reload them if the data actually changed. These couple of simple things when adopted early on make inspectors and UI components blazingly fast. Depending on the complexity of the application, optimization may be some thing to consider from the start, spending 5 months on core functionality and then trying to optimize it later will give you more bugs and headaches than if you had started from the beginning with optimization in mind. la la la, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Special Forces ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug24.211621.19366@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 21:16:21 GMT Here are the first two paragraphs from a WSJ article which sounds very interesting. NEWS - DOW JONES INTERNATIONAL NEWS (IN) 08/24 (WSJ): Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet By MARY LU CARNEVALE and JOHN J. KELLER NEW YORK (AP-DJ)--Cable television will connect to the Internet, information pathway to millions of personal-computer (PC) users world-wide, early next year through a direct linkup via Continental Cablevision Inc., one of the nation's largest cable operators, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. The service, which could greatly alter delivery of electronic information, would allow Continental's customers to plug PCs and a special modem directly into Continental's cable lines, said William Schrader, president of Performance Systems International Inc., a Herndon, Virginia, network services company that is Continental's partner in the project. [rest of article deleted...but you should read it!] -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Message-ID: <1993Aug24.220105.2197@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 22:01:05 GMT [deleted] > *or* by using a GUI interface to the defaults database. One such > possibility is DefaultMgr [available on the archives ??]. DefaultManager > 3.0 is currently under development, and will be available > commercially. [this is being done by Drew Davidson, correct? any > comments on availability, Drew?] I sold my NSC 1.5 months ago, and I just got my Intel GX last week, so I can continue working on DefaultManager 3.0! Look for it RSN. > [I've heard that someone has put together a PreferencesModule for > changing dwrites. Some mention should probably exist here]. This is from Joe Freeman (FreemanSoft). Pretty cool having it in Preferences because you don't have to launch another program. -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: Re: 2 StartUp questions Message-ID: <1993Aug24.175648.795@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp References: <1993Aug24.091234.231@cesar.uucp> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 17:56:48 GMT In article <1993Aug24.091234.231@cesar.uucp> pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) writes: > Hello all, > > I know I can put a StartUpScreen upon stratup, but is there a way to have > a QuickTime clip and/or a sound sample played at startup? > > If possible, please e-mail me. > > Thanks in advance > > Patrique > pat%cesar@cam.org OOps! sorry wrong newsgroup. Patrique
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: messner@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (David Messner) Subject: Help using ZyXel U1496e for faxing Message-ID: <CCA9H4.6Ex@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Keywords: zyxel, modem Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: U.Va. Internet Public Access Project Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 21:39:03 GMT I need help figuring out how to set up a ZyXel for fax. I have added the modem in printmanager as a class2 fax modem, but when I go to fax a document, it gets spooled but never sent to the modem. Does something else need to be configured for this to work? Any help would be appreciated. using NS 2.1 ZyXel U-1496E. Thanks Dave messner@hopper.acs.virginia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <1993Aug22.080156.2791@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CC7IJ4.1zt@zoodle.robin.de> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 06:45:33 GMT uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes: >In article <1993Aug22.080156.2791@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> >schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: >> >> 1. in most cases the floppy is not mounted using the name >> of the label, but with something like /no_name, or >> /boever (or something similar, I don't remember). >> Under 2.1 it was always /DOS, which is easy when you >> want to copy files to/from the floppy with scripts. >DOS disks can have a label by themselves. If you use DIR on a DOS >machine, the label will be displayed. As it's perfectly reasonable, >NeXTSTEP mounts them under this label. It does this with any other >kind of media too (hard disks, mac formatted hard disks, DOS floppies, >NeXT floppies, Mac floppies, div. CD-ROMs, opticals, remote file systems, >whatever you want. If you want to use shell scripts with a constant >name, then use the same labels for your DOS disks. My experience is that even if the DOS disk has a LABEL(name), it still appears with /no_name in NeXTstep. Using the floppy-label as directory name is logical for me too. But most often, it doesn't work. Am I the only one with this experience. Willem
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Message-ID: <1993Aug24.220805.2274@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 22:08:05 GMT In article <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) writes: [undocumented dwrites deleted] A nicer (at least easier to modify way) is the following variation on that theme: --------------------------< cut here >---------------------------------------- #------------------------------------------------------------------------- # investigateDefaults.gdb # # To be executed with gdb -q -nx <appName> -x investigateDefaults.gdb # # Examines all defaults in the application by trapping calls to # NXRegisterDefaults and _registerDefault (undocumented) # # $Log: investigateDefaults.gdb,v $ # Revision 1.1 1992/05/07 04:54:06 drew # Initial revision # #------------------------------------------------------------------------- break NXRegisterDefaults commands 1 silent end run commands 1 silent cont end break _registerDefault commands 2 silent set $o = (char *)*($sp + 8) set $d = (char *)*($sp + 12) set $v = (char *)*($sp + 16) printf "\"%s\" \"%s\" \"%s\"\n",$o,$d,$v ? $v : "" cont end cont --------------------------< cut here >---------------------------------------- Naturally the set ${o,d,v} lines need to be adjusted for the architecture's parameter passing. Pretty easy to do. The only catch is the _registerDefault function. It is undocumented, but isn't that what this thread is about? This seems to perform better than the previously posted method, and catches those cases where the app does multiple NXRegisterDefaults() (like Mail.app). -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) In-Reply-To: drew@fnbc.com's message of 24 Aug 93 22:08:05 GMT To: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Aug24221126@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> <1993Aug24.220805.2274@fnbc.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 02:11:26 GMT In article <1993Aug24.220805.2274@fnbc.com> drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) writes: In article <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) writes: [undocumented dwrites deleted] A nicer (at least easier to modify way) is the following variation on that theme: Yes, thats a better way of doing it. Its even nicer of course to add a '#!/bin/gdb' line at the beginning and chmod +x InvestigateDefault. Then you can actually run it like a command as any other. Just to demonstrate here is the output produced by 1) InvestigateDefault loginwindow loginwindow KeyMapPath ~/Library/Keyboards:/LocalLibrary/Keyboards:/NextLibrary/Keyboards loginwindow Keymap /NextLibrary/Keyboards/USA loginwindow SwappedKeymap No loginwindow DefaultUser me loginwindow TimeToDim 1800 loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled Yes loginwindow LoginHook "" loginwindow LogoutHook "" loginwindow HostName localhost loginwindow ImageFile "" loginwindow PowerOffDisabled "" 2) InvestigateDefault Workspace Workspace Workspace Manager /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app Workspace DockPaths Workspace Manager;/NextApps/Preferences.app;/LocalApps/Stuart.app;/NextApps/Edit.app;/NextAdmin/NetInfoManager.app;/NextAdmin/NFSManager.app;/NextAdmin/HostManager.app;/NextAdmin/Installer.app; ; ; ;/LocalApps/KPerfMon.app;Recycler Workspace DockLaunchFlags 2063 Workspace DockHideFlags 0 Workspace DockController 0 Workspace DockExtent 32 Workspace CoreLimit 0 Workspace BypassPowerOffConfirm No Workspace LoginProgram No Workspace ConnectToRunningApps No Workspace AllowUnformattedDisks Yes Workspace UnixPath <env> Workspace AnimationRate 3 Workspace UnixShell /bin/csh Workspace ServersRequiringCheckIn ashareWSP;autonetwareWSP Workspace AutomountDisks Yes Workspace WorkspaceManagerFileIcons No Workspace WorkspaceManagerFileInfo No Workspace CheckRunningAppsFirst Yes Workspace DockOnTop 1 Workspace CatchSignals Yes Workspace ApplicationPaths ~/Apps:/LocalApps:/NextApps:/NextDeveloper/Apps:/NextAdmin:/NextDeveloper/Demos Workspace DragStillAtTime 50 Workspace DragVelocityThreshold 50 Workspace DockOffsetX "" Workspace DockOriginX "" Workspace DockOriginY "" Workspace DockConfigCriteria Workspace DockHome / Workspace$-1080189827 NXOpen Workspace$-1080189827 NXOpenTemp Workspace LaunchPaths "" 3) InvestigateDefault WM Workspace ApplicationPaths ~/Apps:/LocalApps:/NextApps:/NextDeveloper/Apps:/NextAdmin:/NextDeveloper/Demos Workspace DefaultOpenApp Edit Workspace DefaultTerminalApp Terminal Workspace NXHideOnAutoLaunch No Workspace ConsolePath "" Workspace CacheLaundryInterval 2000 Workspace GCMinInterval 600 Workspace GCCompactInterval 10 Workspace GCThreshold 40 Workspace FolderUnsortedAbove -1 Workspace ShowNeighbors Yes Workspace MainFileViewer Yes Workspace IconViewStyle 0 Workspace AutoFindApps Yes Workspace StripAfterLoading Yes Workspace FinderAfter 0 Workspace FindFileNameCommand "search $pattern $files" Workspace FindFileNameWithWildCardsCommand "/usr/bin/ixsearch -fw $pattern $files" Workspace FindFileContentsByKeywordCommand "/usr/bin/ixsearch -c $pattern $files" Workspace FindFileContentsByPhraseCommand "search -c $pattern $files" Some of these defaults actually look quite interesting. Of course none of these listings are complete as all three of these interesting programs die a horrible painful death when run under InvestigateDefaults naively. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ludwig@well.sf.ca.us (Michael Rutchik) Subject: Graphic artist/NS Programmer wanted! Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 08:32:43 GMT Message-ID: <CCB3qK.29F@well.sf.ca.us> Summary: Graphics / NS Programming job available Keywords: Illustrator, NextStep, job, wanted Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us I have a great job available for a (computer) Graphic Artist / Programmer interested in working in the bay area (20 minute ferry ride from downtown San Francisco). The job is a 1-year full-time contract position in the Packaging Graphics Department of a major bay area corporation. You must be an absolute expert in Adobe Illustrator and have a portfolio of work which reveals this expertise. You should also have a strong sense of balance and attention to detail present in your design work. These skills are simply taken for granted by our clients (The Marketing Department) and cannot be over emphasized! Packaging experience is certainly a plus but not required. I have set up a mixed platform computing environment of Macs and NextStep/Intel systems and would ideally like someone who can also program the NeXT. Specifically, I'll be developing an Artwork database which must be easy to use by the many computerphobes who must have access to the 1000+ artwork files which are currently nested 6 levels deep on various hard drives. The database must be able to load files from other applications on the system as well as receive data from the graphics programs used to create the artwork. This is a very challenging position and if all goes well, it would most likely be extended well beyond the initial one-year contract. This company really appreciates someone who can make themselves indispensible. The pace of the graphics work required is nothing short of hectic and doesn't easily allow for the time requred to set up, develop and maintain the computer network, however, the work environment is surprisingly relaxed and professional and I've never worked with a better group of people! If this sounds the the challenge you've been dreaming of, please email a cover letter and resume to me asap. Michael Rutchik ludwig@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: titmouse!bshirley (C. William Shirley) Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Message-ID: <1993Aug25.043106.29603@gleap.jpunix.com> Sender: bshirley@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: The Republic of Texas References: <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 04:31:06 GMT In article <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > > > Ok, the bad part of loginwindow: > > 1) The login/password fields are *way* too long. > > It would be nice if there was some .nib file we could modify to specify > for ourselves how to center the fields, how big they are, etc. Maybe > we'll see that later. Have you tried modifying /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/TextField.tiff or /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/login.nib ? *I* don't wanna try, but... > Michael -bill -- Bill Shirley (NXceptable) BShirley@GLeap.sccsi.com (home) | BShirley@atg.WilTel.com (work) ``I had so many problems, then I got me a Walkman.'' - Frank Black
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Date: 25 Aug 1993 10:42:57 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25ffnh$ca0@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1993Aug25.043106.29603@gleap.jpunix.com> In article <1993Aug25.043106.29603@gleap.jpunix.com>, C. William Shirley <BShirley@GLeap.sccsi.com> wrote: >In article <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu >(Michael Glenn) writes: >> 1) The login/password fields are *way* too long. >Have you tried modifying >/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/TextField.tiff or I tried this, but it's really just a frame for the text field objects in this: >/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/login.nib which I don't know how to modify without having all the sources available, though I can see there basic login panel there. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-> Before engaging in a battle of wits, make sure your opponent is armed. <--]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <CCBF46.FCB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 12:38:29 GMT In article <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > > Now tell me, what exactly does one get by connecting their PCs and "Special > Modems" into cable lines? You get access to the Internet, you know, access to things like Usenet, gopher servers worldwide, mail, etc.... -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@havemanj.mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office) (317) 494-9658 (Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Subject: Sun PDOs Coming? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Aug25.135112.32674@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 13:51:12 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester Did anybody else read the last paragraph of the article "Easier setup on tap for 3.2" of the Sept. NeXTWORLD??? "NeXT has also embarked on a port of PDO to SunSoft's Solaris operating system, which "will probably follow the HP port by 60 days," Johnson (Rick Johnson, NeXT's Director of Development Environment Product Marketing) said." Where was the announcement for this? And the port of NEXTSTEP itself??? When is that coming? Tony Maas tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <CCBLss.5xF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <CCBF46.FCB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 15:02:51 GMT In article <CCBF46.FCB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: >In article <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu >(Alex Currier) writes: >> >> Now tell me, what exactly does one get by connecting their PCs and >"Special >> Modems" into cable lines? > >You get access to the Internet, you know, access to things like >Usenet, gopher servers worldwide, mail, etc.... > My impression from the article was that you get a 10mbs tap into a a router. The article tried to put it in "layman's language", but it seemed pretty clear. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) Subject: Re: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Message-ID: <1993Aug25.135137.21091@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: laurent@CAM.ORG!planon References: <Aug.24.14.33.36.1993.13613@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 13:51:37 GMT In article <Aug.24.14.33.36.1993.13613@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: | duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) writes: | >means protracted conflict, general misinformation, and derision. Japan | >may be at war with the US, but so is the US. | > Duane | Well I know what side of the pond I'm on and Id prefer for the US to have the | upper hand. Actually if congress wasnt so full of Japaneese lobby'ists and | an economic war was waged, I dont think the US would have too many problems | relative to the problems Japan would experience. The Japaneese are shrewd | and smart and you cant fault them for their tactics, its our own fault that | we have these dumb trade problems (by opening our market and political system | more than any other nation). But one thing is for sure, I feel absolutely NO | sympathy for Japan because of the relatively few and inept trade barriers put | up by the US (perhaps we should just hand over all our wealth and get if over | with?). | | Later, John Come on guys, if the japanese did so well in US, that's because US people thought they have good products. When you buy Honda, Sony, Sharp or whatever, when you buy "Made in Japan", you're helping Japan. Nobody force you to buy their stuff. And if their products are better than yours, improve your products, isn't that simple? It's the US that helped Japan to become such an economic power. I don't think that putting trade barriers will help anybody. The americans, specially in the car industry, were literally sleeping. Now, they have been hurted, and things begin to change. I can tell you something for sure: by buying our products, we help people in our own country to stay at work. So, when I'll buy another car, for example, it will surely be an american one, because I don't specially like the Japan, and I don't think that buying their stuff will help myself, in the long run. Just a thought :-) Laurent. -- ****************************************************************************** Laurent Daudelin, Software Engineer Planon TELEXPERTISE Inc., Boucherville, Quebec, CANADA laurent@planon.qc.ca <-- NeXTMail welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: How to print huge tiff? Message-ID: <1993Aug25.141705.894@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 14:17:05 GMT I have a huge .tiff file, 2048 by 1282 by 1 bit. In ImageViewer, a little more than a quarter of it covers the screen (and I can scroll to see the rest). I want to print this out. But just hitting Print puts out 3 pages, which tile the left side of the image, from top to bottom. The right side is never printed. Judging by how large the piece I get is, it would take 9 pages to tile the whole image. Changing the scale in the PageLayout panel allows me to get to something that fits on a single page. Of course, the image is too small for what I am trying to do. I don't mind the tiling, in fact I expect it because the paper isn't big enough. But why doesn't it ever do anything but the left side? is this a known bug? --J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug25.122000.656@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated References: <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 12:20:00 GMT In article <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > >Better yet, why doesn't someone paraphrase it to the net? Is it so >much technobabble as it sounds or is there really something to it? OK, I'll give it a shot. They (Continental Cablevision and PSI) are going to give a wider audience the capability that most of us reading this already have -- the ability to "get something" out of the Internet. You can subscribe to PSI (Or UUNET, or ...) today and get mostly the same thing. Because of the high "technical literacy" (read: nerd count) in Eastern Massachusetts, particularly Cambridge, they are starting it there. That implies that it will still have a bit more than a Joe Beer Can interface, but I would be willing to bet they will try to "dumb it down", if for no other reason than it is unecessarily arcane as it is. "It" being the current method of accessing email, news, and ftp. Essentially, it is just a way to get connected that doesn't use the phone. See why the phone companies are hopping mad? That is why it takes a special modem -- you are not connected to the phone lines, but to TV cable. I have not read anything that discusses real details, such as "baud" rates or the equivalent. One guy in the Boston Globe today boasted about 10 megabits/second vs ISDN's slower rate. But even local Ethernets don't actually achieve 10mbits/sec in data transfer, so I don't think this will. It is not: 1. Putting TV on the Internet; 2. Putting the Internet "on TV". The price is quoted at $70-$100 per month. There has been nothing said about what that provides. But it doesn't sound like they are going after the low-volume user. They are going to let CompuServe, Prodigy, etc. go after the low end. I just wish I could send uncorrupted PostScript to people on CompuServe. It is hard to believe that a plain text file can be corrupted so readily. To me, that is the biggest barrier to all such systems, in that they don't work well when dealing with external entities. If the CableVision -- PSI thing could take customers away from CompuServe, I think most of the systems would smarten up and realize their barriers prevent increased profits, not protect them. --J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 15:23:33 GMT In article <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > In article <1993Aug24.211621.19366@gleap.sccsi.com> clloyd@gleap > (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > > > The service, which could greatly alter delivery of electronic > > information, would allow Continental's customers to plug PCs and a > > special modem directly into Continental's cable lines, said William > > Schrader, president of Performance Systems International Inc., a > > Herndon, Virginia, network services company that is Continental's > > partner in the project. > > > Now tell me, what exactly does one get by connecting their PCs and > "SpecialModems" into cable lines? My business partner is the investment banker who put this deal together, and I have been waiting for weeks to be able to tell the story. Imagine *incoming* 10MBPS digital feeds for the entire Internet traffic, including your mail and all of the newsgroups, to any location in the US that's wired for cable TV. Stop. Close your eyes and think about it. Giddy yet? If your site is like mine, most of your traffic is inbound, not outbound. So you would receive over your cable system at high speed, and transmit outbound over the phones at whatever speed is appropriate for your volume. Of course, this does not help if you need to be directly connected to the net, for example as an FTP site. But how many sites need that? Not many, in the grand scheme of things. Think of how many individual users mostly want to read and occasionally need to write. They don't need a dedicated line or regular dialout times. And there's no need for them to run expensive additional phone lines to get access to the net. They can use a plain old modem with their regular phone number when they need to post an article or email message. Stop. Close your eyes and think about it again. Giddy yet? I wish Philadelphia was the test city. For THIS I would get cable. For THIS I might move to Boston. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Subject: Re: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Message-ID: <CCBp2u.GF8@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zurich, Switzerland References: <1993Aug22.080156.2791@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CC7IJ4.1zt@zoodle.robin.de> <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 16:13:41 GMT In article <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: >My experience is that even if the DOS disk has a LABEL(name), it still >appears with /no_name in NeXTstep. Using the floppy-label as directory >name is logical for me too. But most often, it doesn't work. Am I the >only one with this experience. DOS disks can (and do) have two kinds of labels at different positions: one in the boot sector, and one in the root directory. DOS normally uses the one in the root directory, but NS mounts it using the name in the boot sector (which is mostly not what you want, but it's at a constant location on the disk which simplifies the process). I've already suggested to NeXT that they should do something similar as the GNU tools do on 8.3 systems (at least on an Atari, haven't tried on DOS): They create a file named '.dir', which contains a translation table for all file names which do not fit the 'lower case 8.3' rule (it's a line-by-line format containing 'full' and 'cut' file names with an additional field telling whether it's ASCII or binary (nice for editors, but I don't know whether it is used by anything yet)). -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: christia@ntua.gr (Panagiotis Christias) Subject: Looking for NeXT's dock icons Message-ID: <christia.746296808@theseas> Organization: National Technical University of Athens Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 16:40:08 GMT Can anyone send me a collection of NeXT's dock icons (grayscale and color)? I currently writing a program for the X Windows that creates a dock similar to NeXT's. The program is quite finished but I can't find any stylish icons to use. You can send them uuencoded through mail or (even better) tell me if I can find them in any anonymous ftp site. Thanks in advance, Panagiotis Christias - christia@theseas.ntua.gr -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Panagiotis J. Christias National Technical Univ. of Athens, GREECE E-Mail : christia@theseas.ntua.gr "thanks Amiga for not being a PC" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: hussain@artsci.wustl.edu (G. H. Chinoy) Subject: attaching a HP Scanner to a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Aug25.174502.24607@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:45:02 GMT Does anyone know how to attach an HP Scanner to a NeXT? What scanning program would I need? I'm pretty much a novice with scanners. Thanks! - Hussain ________________________________ G. Hussain Chinoy Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab Cupples I, Room 213 Washington University in St. Louis hussain@artsci.wustl.edu NeXT Mail Welcome
From: unsal@blackbox.cl.ee.vt.edu (Cem Unsal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Q: olwm & xmosaic files? Date: 25 Aug 1993 17:12:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <25g6ib$rj7@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> I'm looking for olwm and xmosaic for co-Xist/NS3.0. Any pointers? cem unsal -- unsal@blackbox.cl.ee.vt.edu (NeXTmail OK) "Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio di piu."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Christian Limpach) Subject: Re: uudecode under NeXT mail.app Message-ID: <CCBp9B.Hu@arkin> Originator: chris@nice Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: welcome to nowhere... References: <CC2Bsx.Lrs@Provo.Novell.COM> <1993Aug23.174103.7297@ToTSySSoft.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 16:17:35 GMT Bruce Gingery (bruce@TotSysSoft.com) wrote: > Tony, > In DEVELOPER MODE in Edit.app you should be able to merely > PIPE the uuencoded data through uudecode. This removes part > of the steps you're referring to. > 1. Hilight the uuencoded data -- begin through end > in the mail message > triple click the begin line > scroll to the end of the message or so > SHIFT-Click the ``end'' > Command-Copy > 2. Open a NEW Edit window > Command-Paste > Command-ALL > 3. Either select a pre-set uudecode option (which you > previously added to your ~/.pipedict file) or the > generic pipe command -- Command-| > 4. enter i.e. (in the pipe mini-window) > cd /tmp ; mkdir newstuff ; cd newstuff ; uudecode there are even easier ways: first of all, you do not have to exactly cut out from begin to end, uudecode will ignore the header and anything after the end line... So, just select the mail in Mail.app and hit cmd-c. Then, there are two possibilities: either proceed with step 2 above (insted of mkdir use mkdirs as this will use a perhaps already existing directory newstuff in /tmp) or open a shell and type: "paste | uudecode" christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: Banner Page Problem Message-ID: <1993Aug25.185756.29274@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: Banner, Printing Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 18:57:56 GMT How do you stop the Banner Page from printing when you request multiple copies of the same thing? For example, each copy has it own Banner Page associated with it. Trying to save some trees, HELP! O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jayw@idsoftware.com (Jay Wilbur) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug25.183002.12976@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l References: <1993Aug24.211621.19366@gleap.sccsi.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 18:30:02 GMT Charles C. Lloyd writes > Here are the first two paragraphs from a WSJ article which sounds very > interesting. > > NEWS - DOW JONES INTERNATIONAL NEWS (IN) > 08/24 (WSJ): Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet > By MARY LU CARNEVALE and JOHN J. KELLER > > NEW YORK (AP-DJ)--Cable television will connect to the Internet, Here is the press release for this puppy. PSI and Continental Cablevision Announce Plans to Deliver Internet Over Cable TV San Francisco, CA, August 24, 1993 -- Today at INTEROP 93, Continental Cablevision, Inc. and Performance Systems International, Inc. (PSI), Herndon, VA announced their intention to bring the vast computer data services of the Internet to Continental's cable TV customers. "Our cable systems employ the highest quality fiber optic and broadband network components and are being expanded to support FDDI and Ethernet in our larger service areas," said David M. Fellows, senior vice president for engineering and technology at Continental, who led in developing the agreement with PSI. "Combining our bandwidth and our systems' technical strength with PSI's expertise and Internet market leadership, we will meet our customers growing needs in the complex world of computer communications," he added. The agreement provides several channels of cable TV bandwidth dedicated to PSI's Internet customers in several regions served by Continental. The initial system will be configured as a 100 Mbps Metropolitan Area Network with customer connections available at 10 Mbps, connected to PSI's nationwide widearea network, PSINet, and the global Internet. Follow on services will migrate to an ATM backbone with customer access at Ethernet, FDDI and ATM speeds. Services, to be marketed to both organizations and individuals, were designed by Martin L. Schoffstall, PSI's vice president and chief technical officer. "A variety of technologies are now available or will soon be announced which enable PSI to build a robust, high speed, ubiquitous system serving many hardware and software platforms on cable", Schoffstall said. "Our focus today is on 'standard' Internet access, but will soon lead to advanced applications such as multimedia conferencing and telecommuting." Poised for Expansion "The agreement between PSI and Continental was designed for use with virtually any metropolitan or rural cable TV operator, and would allow any cable TV company to join the Internet data communications community", said William L. Schrader, president and chief executive officer of PSI. "In addition to Continental, we have already held discussions with other operators who are also very interested. We expect in the near future to be announcing similar agreements with other operators to bring the power of the Internet to their customers." "The convergence of the Internet, the National Information Infrastructure and the massive bandwidth of America's cable TV systems, places this approach at a high priority," Fellows said. "This agreement adds critical new services to our extensive fiber optic system and will provide cable operators with access to PSI's nationwide distribution system." Deployment Schedule The initial cable TV-based Internet system will be deployed during late 1993, with services to be introduced in early 1994. Beginning in eastern Massachusetts, the system will be extended to other Continental service areas in the east and is planned to be completed by mid-year 1994. The system will consist of PSINet equipment located within Continental head-ends and some customer premises equipment. PSI will be pursuing agreements, initially, with about fifty cable operators and seeks to deploy its equipment throughout their facilities during 1994. "We have been approached by other cable operators and expect to talk to many more," said Schrader. This service will allow households and businesses with a computer and cable TV connection to access the entire suite of Internet data services. These include access to the Library of Congress, international bulletin boards, and unparalleled access to research quality information and data bases. The Internet, the largest data network in the world, now serves over 15 million people with sophisticated services, and connects over 25 million for electronic messages. Continental, the nations' third-largest cable TV company, operates cable TV systems serving 2.9 million customers in parts of California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, and Virginia. PSI is the nation's largest provider of commercial Internet access and internetworking services for organizations and individual users of electronic information. PSI's services range from electronic mail products to turnkey integration of local area networks into the PSINet widearea network system and the Internet. PSI operates the world's largest Frame Relay network, using T3 trunks and ATM switching, and delivering TCP/IP-based services to over 60 cities in the U.S., and about 3,500 organizations. PSI is a co-founder of the Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX) Association. #### All Brands, products and service names mentioned are trademarks or registered service marks of their respective owners. For further information, contact Kimberly Brown at PSI at 703.904.7187 (phone), 703.904.7195 (fax), or info@psi.com (e-mail); or Henry R. James, Continental Cablevision, Inc. 617-742-9500 (phone); or Michael Vernetti at Kaufman Public Relations at 202.333.0700 (phone), 202.337.0449 (fax), or vernetti@psilink.com (e-mail).
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: olwm & xmosaic files? Date: 25 Aug 1993 20:08:56 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <25ggso$31f@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <25g6ib$rj7@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> In article <25g6ib$rj7@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> unsal@blackbox.cl.ee.vt.edu (Cem Unsal) writes: > I'm looking for olwm and xmosaic for co-Xist/NS3.0. Any pointers? > > cem unsal > -- > unsal@blackbox.cl.ee.vt.edu (NeXTmail OK) > > "Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio di piu." There's a version of xmosaic for NeXT available from NCSA (where the xmosaic sources are storred.) Or you can compile your own: I successfully compiled xmosaic 1.2 for the NeXT running co-Xist/Motif. Follow the README to change the Makefiles as indicated. In src/Makefile, use the lines: # For Sun's and Ultrix: SYS_LIBS = In mo-www.c change line 504 from #if defined(ultrix) || defined(VMS) || defined(NeXT) || defined(M4310) || defined(vax) to: #if defined(ultrix) || defined(VMS) || defined(M4310) || defined(vax) xmosaic should compile with only a few warning messages. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 25 Aug 1993 21:29:25 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <25gljl$3qv@hermes.athena.com> References: <1993Aug25.183002.12976@nntpxfer.psi.com> Keywords: Bell, cable, phone, legal, internet In article <1993Aug25.183002.12976@nntpxfer.psi.com> jayw@idsoftware.com (Jay Wilbur) writes: > Charles C. Lloyd writes > > Here are the first two paragraphs from a WSJ article which sounds very > > interesting. > > > > NEWS - DOW JONES INTERNATIONAL NEWS (IN) > > 08/24 (WSJ): Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet > > By MARY LU CARNEVALE and JOHN J. KELLER > > > > NEW YORK (AP-DJ)--Cable television will connect to the Internet, > > Here is the press release for this puppy. > > PSI and Continental Cablevision > Announce Plans to Deliver Internet Over Cable TV > > (Stuff deleted)-- Boston Globe front page headline: Ruling opens door to Cabel competition (Phone firms could enter industry) "Lots of legal stuff about a federal judge overturns the provisions of the Cable communications Policy act which prohibited Bell companies from providing cable and telephone service in the same area." (paraphrased) "It will also subject cable companies, which are accustomed to no competition, to a direct assault by the Bell companies." Article continued but, I can't find the rest of the paper. It seems like the cable and phone companies want to go into direct competition and fight for consumer dollars. So cable companies will go around phone lines and provide internet access and phone companies will provide cable. Tracy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug25.210926.560@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 21:09:26 GMT Gregory H. Anderson writes > >Imagine *incoming* 10MBPS digital feeds for the entire Internet traffic, >including your mail and all of the newsgroups, to any location in the US >that's wired for cable TV. > I read and re-read that article and still don't see where it mentions that the traffic is only incoming. Of course, your inside scoop clarifies this, but why did they choose to do it this way? I am also surprised that you cannot do ftp since the article talks about downloading books and such. Would you elaborate on this for us? -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (Paul Kunz) Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Message-ID: <CCC9tL.Fu8@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 23:41:45 GMT In article <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) writes: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > *** The Undocumented NeXTSTEP Listing *** > *** last updated 8/23/93 *** > Here's one I found by accident. After loging on a NS/FIP machine, I noticed upon getting by to my NSC that all the windows are floating on top of the Dock. dwrite Workspace DockOnTop 1 puts the Dock on top again. -- Paul F. Kunz Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok) Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University Voice: (415) 926-2884 (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need Phone Number for Planet-X makers. Who are they? Date: 25 Aug 1993 17:19:24 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <25gvic$mrs@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Any help would be appreciated. maurices
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 26 Aug 1993 00:22:56 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <25gvp0$3lq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> <1993Aug25.210926.560@gleap.sccsi.com> In article <1993Aug25.210926.560@gleap.sccsi.com> clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com writes: > I read and re-read that article and still don't see where it mentions that the > traffic is only incoming. Of course, your inside scoop clarifies this, but why one thing I dont understand, to allow downloading from ftp sites (for instance) they need to allow _some_ control information to flow up the link. at least enough to give the ftp site and pathname. I dont see how you can have only one way traffic be effective. so if it allows some outgoing traffic, why put any restrictions at all. of course, design the protocols, pricing structures etc expecting the great majority of the traffic to be into the home, not out. so what exactly are they proposing to build? -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: ethernet setup Message-ID: <CCCC5L.7J8@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 00:32:09 GMT Hello All, I just got ethernet access to the internet, but I am having problems getting my machine set up for it. What must I do to enable me to send and receive mail and all of that good stuff? Many thanks to anyone who can help me. Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Re: Login Panel Tiffs Message-ID: <1993Aug26.013831.896@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. References: <1993Aug25.043106.29603@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 01:38:31 GMT In article <1993Aug25.043106.29603@gleap.jpunix.com> titmouse!bshirley (C. William Shirley) writes: > In article <CC2oLB.4n5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu > (Michael Glenn) writes: > > Ok, the bad part of loginwindow: > > > > 1) The login/password fields are *way* too long. > > > > It would be nice if there was some .nib file we could modify to specify > > for ourselves how to center the fields, how big they are, etc. Maybe > > we'll see that later. > > Have you tried modifying > > /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/TextField.tiff or > /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/login.nib > *I* don't wanna try, but... I guess I'm braver... :-) All this as root, exiting the workspace with the exit login name between trials: 1) I took a nice lighthouse tiff from a Kodak Photo-CD and scaled it to 462x260 pixels with IconBuilder. Then: dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /LocalLibrary/Images/Tiffs/lighthouse.tiff 2) I didn't want the big login fields so after making a copy of: /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/TextField.tiff and /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/English.lproj/FieldNames.tiff I scaled them down to a 1x1 pixel tiff and saved them. I also played with painting them with transparent paint, but the scaling trick is much simpler. (I've never really figured out that alpha editting anyway!) I got rid of the TextField.tiff this way because I could not figure out a way to make one with smaller fields where I wanted them (see below). 3) Then there were the actual text fields in the nib: Once again, after copying /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/login.nib I modified it with InterfaceBuilder. First I selected those fields and made the font smaller with the font panel. Then I resized their lengths (which also reduced their height since I'd changed the font size. I made mine about .5 inches long, arranged them closer together and moved them down to the lower left corner. I also played with the text fields color making mine dark gray with white text (the passwords text color is the same as the background so it's invisible). I'm not sure if I like the color of the fields yet, it will depend on your background tiff. 4) This leaves the Welcome to ... message which I left floating there and the buttons which appear as ghosts on my image. Since I use those buttons, I left them. Fun stuff... --- Larry Blische lkba!lkb@uunet.UU.NET LKB Associates, Inc. NeXTmail Welcome! 3118 Dunglow Road 410 285 2262 Dundalk, Maryland 21222-5304 USA
From: buckley@mayo.edu (Paul Buckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail forward Date: 26 Aug 1993 01:59:56 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <25h5es$2pi@fermat.mayo.edu> It seems our .forward files have stopped working. Anyone seen this? We're running 3.1 on a black net. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley Mayo Graduate School (NeXT Mail) Guggenheim 14 buckley@mayo.edu 200 First Street SW FAX 507-284-9349 Rochester, MN TEL 507-284-2065 55905 _________________________________________ "This is the America the Kerner Commission warned us about twenty-five years ago". Ed Garvey pretending to be Bill Clinton.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panel Date: 26 Aug 1993 02:41:57 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25h7tl$l7p@news.doit.wisc.edu> In an article I didn't save, credit to the person who mentioned modifying the login.nib, for it emboldened me to play with that a bit. Lo and behold, it's easier than I thought! However, on a related front, several people have mentioned the gdb script for discovering defaults, including loginwindow's, and I thought I'd pass on a curio I've discovered about that. Wanting (like mad) to get rid of the hostname that by default puts localhost atop the login panel (no cluttering of my art, please!), I thought: "Aha, I'll just set HostName to "" (null). No joy, friends. That hangs the login, time for bsd -s to fix it. But, next best thing, blank works: dwrite loginwindow HostHame " " As suspected, TimeToDim (default 1800 seconds == 30 minutes) is settable without difficulty. Of course, it's kind of a misnomer, since dimming isn't involved, as far as I can tell. Rather, it's the time until the neon NeXT logo replaces the login panel, which it does at no reduced brightness. Seems to me it would be nicer to get that guy to hop around quite a bit more often, too. Well, I liked the 3.0 way of doing this, dimming the screen and moving the login panel tiff around in Backspace sliding image fashion, with all sorts of dwrites that controlled this function (speed, time, etc.) I know you can't have everything, but I liked having something! -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---> Fidelity: A virtue peculiar to those who are about to be betrayed. <----]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdawson@oceania.com (John Dawson) Subject: NeXT Mail/NewsGrazer faces Message-ID: <CCCJyM.3qA@oceania.com> Sender: jdawson@oceania.com (John Dawson) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 03:20:43 GMT Are there any "official" repositories for NeXT Mail and NewsGrazer faces? ...jkd -- jdawson@oceania.com (John Dawson) We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me.
From: michael@denwa.info.com (Michael Gersten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Date: 25 Aug 1993 21:46:21 -0700 Organization: Info Connections, West Los Angeles Message-ID: <25hf6t$qnj@denwa.info.com> References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE In article <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >Take it with a grain of salt. Realistically, in real memory it >looks like 2MB for the window server, 3MB for the kernel, 1.5MB >for shared libraries, 0.5MB for daemons. > >Net result: You really need about 7MB for the "base stuff". > >An 8MB machine has about 1MB left for applications and window Well, let me give my measurements: I have an 8 meg, running 3.1. I've been up since the 16th, and it's the 25th right now (about 9 days.) (542) % vm_stat Mach Virtual Memory Statistics: (page size of 8192 bytes) Pages free: 24. Pages active: 347. Pages inactive: 260. Pages wired down: 278. "Translation faults": 11464006. Pages copy-on-write: 497805. Pages zero filled: 463953. Pages reactivated: 2584917. Pageins: 615016. Pageouts: 310735. Object cache: 236417 hits of 254507 lookups (92% hit rate) (543) % I have 278 pages wired; that's high. That's nearly reboot time, but I've got too many thing going on. (It's about 70 after reboot, 110 after starting the window server and terminal, and about 150 or so after starting workspace and a bunch of apps. It climbs slowly from there.) A test program shows that I can still get about 2.2 megs of space to a program that does no drawing of any kind (just page faults through memory repeatedly; csh's "time" output does the measurements). Under 3.0, I could eek out just under 3 megs; perhaps if I tried with a smaller wired down I can still get there. (lets see, 100 pages, 8K per page, that's 800K, or yep -- enough to get to 3 megs.) Michael -- Michael Gersten michael@stb.info.com NeXT Registered Developer (NeRD) # 3860 -- Hire me! (Ready around 10/93) Standing for a government of Integrity and No Special Cases; running for President on this platform in 2000. Contacts, volunteers, helpers needed.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism From: schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) Subject: Helping a seven year old Message-ID: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> Sender: schurch@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:37:45 GMT Hey there, folks! Yeah, I know... this isn't the place to post this... but, it's folks like you who can make a difference. I just recieved this via e-mail (This is a good samaritan act of mine... so roll with it) , and figured that more people could make a difference than just us folks here at Pages. So... if you are interested in helping out, here is the information. Sounds like Craig would appreciate a giant series of boxes of business cards to arrive. Don't bother sending them to me... I can't afford the postage to send everyone's business card to Craig. Thanks! Sean Church schurch@pages.com (No, this doesn't have anything to do with the company known as Pages.... so don't get worked up in a negative fashion if this is bunk. I have no idea... it just sounds like a nice thing to do...). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Helping a seven year old Craig Shergold is seven years old, suffering from terminal cancer. It is his ambition to be included in the Guiness Book of Records for the largest number of business cards ever collected by one person. Craig would be grateful if you would send one of your business cards to the address below as well as sending his request to as many other companies as you can. Craig Shergold c/o Children's Make a Wish Foundation 32 Perimeter Centre East Atlanta Georgia USA 30346 Obviously, speed is of the essence. Please help Craig achieve his goal.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism From: schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old Message-ID: <1993Aug25.191437.1384@pages.com> Sender: schurch@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 19:14:37 GMT In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) writes: < a whole bunch of stuff deleted> So, I just posted this out, and a co-worker tells me that this is several years old, and no longer valid. Come, don't be stupid like me... anyhow, don't bother. Ignore it. It's probably some Telemarketing scam for folks to get your name and address and bother you to buy their new widgets or something... And I thought I was actually doing something nice... OH well. And in a day or so, the flames will start.... Sean Church *sometimes they call me Ruprect* schurch@pages.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism From: mprice@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Dr Dr) Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old ==> Don't do it!! (Not Craig, anyway) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 06:39:11 GMT Message-ID: <CCCt5B.795@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: Medical Scholars Program, U. of IL @ Urbana-Champaign In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com writes: Hey "Hey there, folks! Yeah, I know... this isn't the place to post this. [....] "(This is a good samaritan act of mine... so roll with it) [....] "Craig Shergold is seven years old, suffering from terminal cancer. It is "[....] The following is reposted from news.announce.important: ======= Newsgroups: news.announce.important From: Gene Spafford <spaf@cs.purdue.edu> Subject: DO NOT SENT ANY {GET WELL, POST, BUSINESS} CARDS TO CRAIG SHERGOLD! Message-ID: <199202141505.AA28623@uther.cs.purdue.edu> Sender: mark@cbfsb.att.com (Mark Horton) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1992 19:43:21 GMT If you call the ``Children's Make a Wish'' foundation, you will find that they are not soliciting any form of card for Craig Shergold or anyone else. Better yet, if you call the Guinness people (US publisher is "Facts on File" @ 212-683--2244 ext. 336), you can get this same story confirmed. You will also find that they will no longer endorse or support any effort to break this record. Many years ago, Craig Shergold had a brain tumor, believed inoperable. He sought to set the Guinness record for get-well cards. The call was well-publicized, and he did, indeed set the record (consult a recent edition of the book --- he has received in excess of 16 million cards to date; he officially set the record as of 17 Nov 1989). As part of this whole story, his plight caught the attention of John Kluge, the US billionaire, who paid for Craig to come to the US and receive specialized treatment. As a result, Craig has recovered completely from his tumor. He is also no longer seven, but well into his teens (you can see how out-of-date the request for cards is from this -- it's like circulating a letter encouraging people to vote for Carter for President). The problem is that the mimeographed sheets and letters seeking cards for Craig have continued to be circulated. As a result, cards continue to pour in to the post office for Royal Marsden Hospital in England. Worse, the appeal has mutated into various other versions, such as an appeal for business cards, one for postcards, and another version that appeals for holiday cards. The Shergold family has publicly appealed many times that people cease to mail them cards and letters, and that no more appeals be made on their behalf. One easily accessible way to verify this is with the article on page 24 of the 19 July 1990 NY Times. People Magazine wrote an article about it on June 1, 1991, page 63. Even Ann Landers has carried an item on this [6/23/91], but people still keep trying to send cards. Both Guinness and Royal Marsden have repeatedly issued press releases asking people to stop circulating requests for cards, as they are creating an undue burden on both the hospital and the postal service. The Guinness people have discontinued the category to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again, and are doing their utmost to kill any further mailings. The Royal Marsden Hospital is at a loss what to do with the cards that continue to arrive --- most are being sold to stamp collectors and paper recyclers, and none go on to Craig. This appeal for Craig, as well as many urban legends, regularly appear on electronic bulletin boards around the world, and in many organizational newsletters and bulletins. It is both heartening and unfortunate that there are so many well-meaning people who continue to propagate these stories. It is too bad that so many people are unwilling to verify their information before passing such things along, especially when a simple phone call will suffice to do so. In this case, opening a recent copy of a book carried by nearly every library and bookstore would illuminate the situation. If you would still like to do something for a dying child, consider making a donation to a charity such as UNICEF or to the International Red Cross (Red Crescent, Red Magen David). Many thousands of children are dying daily around the world from disease and starvation, and countless millions more are suffering from the ravages of war, famine, disease, and natural disaster. Think how many of them might be helped by the millions of dollars in postage spent on cards to Craig Shergold.... Addresses (in US) are: UNICEF American National Red Cross 1 UN Plaza 17th & D Streets New York, NY 10017 Washington, DC 20006 Attn: international children's aid [Also, I encourage you to save this announcement, in either electronic or hard copy form, and to post it to any bulletin board you've seen the original plea on. If you see it in the future, as you probably will, you can attach a copy of this announcement. Wouldn't it be great to finally kill this story, which spreads like a virus? - MRH] -- Professor Gene Spafford Dept. of Computer Sciences Purdue University W. Lafayette IN 47907-1398 spaf@cs.purdue.edu ========= -- Michael Price, M.D. (mtpmd@uiuc.edu) "I wonder, therefore I might be." -- Descartes before de hearse....
From: jmm@king.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Jeffrey K. MacKie-Mason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 26 Aug 1993 07:49:20 GMT Organization: University of Oslo Distribution: world Message-ID: <25hpu0$l48@hermod.uio.no> References: <25gvp0$3lq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> In article <25gvp0$3lq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > In article <1993Aug25.210926.560@gleap.sccsi.com> clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com writes: > > I read and re-read that article and still don't see where it mentions that the > > traffic is only incoming. Of course, your inside scoop clarifies this, but why > > one thing I dont understand, to allow downloading from ftp sites (for instance) > they need to allow _some_ control information to flow up the link. > at least enough to give the ftp site and pathname. > > I dont see how you can have only one way traffic be effective. > so if it allows some outgoing traffic, why put any restrictions at all. > > of course, design the protocols, pricing structures etc expecting the > great majority of the traffic to be into the home, not out. > > so what exactly are they proposing to build? > There has been a fair amount of talk about this technology in various mailing lists. The technology is not a new idea--this just seems to be the first commercial offering. The idea is that you do have a two-way connection, of course. But it is asymmetric. The incoming traffic comes in the cable high-speed, and the outgoing traffic goes out your phone line at low speed. This is why you need a "special modem". Interfaces like this have been in use in test networks for a while now. The earlier comment was not that you couldn't do ftp, but that you wouldn't (feasibly) be able to set up an anon ftp site. That is, you wouldn't have a connection that was "live" all the time (unless you wanted to pay for a dedicated phone line and the charges associated with having the phone connected all the time), and you wouldn't want to have people downloading much from your machine anyway since the outbound files would be going at, say, 14Kbps. But you will be able to do both outbound and inbound ftp, just faster in one direction. Much faster. -- Prof. Jeff MacKie-Mason internet: jmm@umich.edu Dept. of Economics bitnet: usergc76@umichum Univ. of Michigan phone: 313-764-7438 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 fax: 313-763-9181
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mihe@gordon.enea.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Re: RISING SUN film claims on Japan's economic conquest of USA are true. Read the article with the facts Message-ID: <1993Aug26.085712.6593@enea.se> Sender: usenet@enea.se Organization: ENEA DATA AB, Stockholm, Sweden References: <Aug.24.14.33.36.1993.13613@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <1993Aug25.135137.21091@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 08:57:12 GMT In article <1993Aug25.135137.21091@CAM.ORG!planon> laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) writes: >Come on guys, if the japanese did so well in US, that's because US people >thought they have good products. When you buy Honda, Sony, Sharp or whatever, >when you buy "Made in Japan", you're helping Japan. Nobody force you to buy >their stuff. And if their products are better than yours, improve your >products, isn't that simple? It's the US that helped Japan to become such an >economic power. I don't think that putting trade barriers will help anybody. >The americans, specially in the car industry, were literally sleeping. Now, >they have been hurted, and things begin to change. > >I can tell you something for sure: by buying our products, we help people in >our own country to stay at work. So, when I'll buy another car, for example, >it will surely be an american one, because I don't specially like the Japan, >and I don't think that buying their stuff will help myself, in the long run. I agree with the statement that by buying "inferior" products and by protecting "inferior" buisiness in your own country you help keep the people making those products stay in buisness IN THE SHORT RUN. However, it is more likely that the wrong signals will be sent to the companies making those products, thus causing stagnation. Ever asked yourself why Japan is so good at consumer products? For exactly the same reasons as why the U.S. has the primier military technology on the planet: Focus & Investment. If the U.S. government (including the D.O.D) had put the money they've invested in military technology into civilian technology, then the U.S. would have been way ahead and this would have been a non-issue. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I advocate buying the best product available at the price you want to pay for it regardless of where it comes from, because that way you stimulate progress in your own country too. Yes, structural change in the economy is painful but is necessary for evolution. You can still write your representative in parlament demanding a change of focus and investment. If enough people do then paranoia and militarism will subside and better civilian projects will emerge. >Laurent. -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mihe@enea.se /// Box 232 /// S-183 23 Taby TEL : +46 8 792-2500 \\\/// SWEDEN TFX : +46 8 768-4388 \XX/
Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: mk@musik.auc.dk (Martin Knakkergaard) Subject: MIDI-interface for NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Aug26.102822.2550@vaxc.aud.auc.dk> Sender: news@vaxc.aud.auc.dk (USENET News System) Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 10:28:22 GMT We re having some difficulties trying to MIDI-interface our NeXT-computers. Using the Altech MIDIFace LX (for the Mac) seems to be impossible although the NeXT docs claims that any Mac-interface will do. We ve tried using different cables with no lock (someone mentioned that the cables very often caused the failure). However, utilizing the MTP_II does the trick, proving that the NeXT-MIDI-Driver and the connections we ve made are OK. So there should be no problem except that we don t want to buy a lot of MTP_IIs - they are to expensive, and we don t need the kind of power they offer in the first place - but would like to use a more economical solution instead. Does anybody know which of the many Mac-MIDI-interfaces will work with the NeXT?? Martin Knakkergaard Dept.of Music, Aalborg University
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old Date: 26 Aug 1993 13:58:58 +0300 Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company Sender: otto@network.cc.jyu.fi Message-ID: <OTTO.93Aug26135856@tukki.jyu.fi> References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> In-reply-to: schurch@pages.com's message of Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:37:45 GMT From: spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) Newsgroups: news.announce.important Subject: DO NOT SENT ANY {GET WELL, POST, BUSINESS} CARDS TO CRAIG SHERGOLD! Date: 17 Feb 92 19:43:21 GMT Reply-To: spaf@cs.purdue.edu Organization: SERC, Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue Univ. If you call the ``Children's Make a Wish'' foundation, you will find that they are not soliciting any form of card for Craig Shergold or anyone else. Better yet, if you call the Guinness people (US publisher is "Facts on File" @ 212-683--2244 ext. 336), you can get this same story confirmed. You will also find that they will no longer endorse or support any effort to break this record. Many years ago, Craig Shergold had a brain tumor, believed inoperable. He sought to set the Guinness record for get-well cards. The call was well-publicized, and he did, indeed set the record (consult a recent edition of the book --- he has received in excess of 16 million cards to date; he officially set the record as of 17 Nov 1989). As part of this whole story, his plight caught the attention of John Kluge, the US billionaire, who paid for Craig to come to the US and receive specialized treatment. As a result, Craig has recovered completely from his tumor. He is also no longer seven, but well into his teens (you can see how out-of-date the request for cards is from this -- it's like circulating a letter encouraging people to vote for Carter for President). The problem is that the mimeographed sheets and letters seeking cards for Craig have continued to be circulated. As a result, cards continue to pour in to the post office for Royal Marsden Hospital in England. Worse, the appeal has mutated into various other versions, such as an appeal for business cards, one for postcards, and another version that appeals for holiday cards. The Shergold family has publicly appealed many times that people cease to mail them cards and letters, and that no more appeals be made on their behalf. One easily accessible way to verify this is with the article on page 24 of the 19 July 1990 NY Times. People Magazine wrote an article about it on June 1, 1991, page 63. Even Ann Landers has carried an item on this [6/23/91], but people still keep trying to send cards. Both Guinness and Royal Marsden have repeatedly issued press releases asking people to stop circulating requests for cards, as they are creating an undue burden on both the hospital and the postal service. The Guinness people have discontinued the category to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again, and are doing their utmost to kill any further mailings. The Royal Marsden Hospital is at a loss what to do with the cards that continue to arrive --- most are being sold to stamp collectors and paper recyclers, and none go on to Craig. This appeal for Craig, as well as many urban legends, regularly appear on electronic bulletin boards around the world, and in many organizational newsletters and bulletins. It is both heartening and unfortunate that there are so many well-meaning people who continue to propagate these stories. It is too bad that so many people are unwilling to verify their information before passing such things along, especially when a simple phone call will suffice to do so. In this case, opening a recent copy of a book carried by nearly every library and bookstore would illuminate the situation. If you would still like to do something for a dying child, consider making a donation to a charity such as UNICEF or to the International Red Cross (Red Crescent, Red Magen David). Many thousands of children are dying daily around the world from disease and starvation, and countless millions more are suffering from the ravages of war, famine, disease, and natural disaster. Think how many of them might be helped by the millions of dollars in postage spent on cards to Craig Shergold.... Addresses (in US) are: UNICEF American National Red Cross 1 UN Plaza 17th & D Streets New York, NY 10017 Washington, DC 20006 Attn: international children's aid [Also, I encourage you to save this announcement, in either electronic or hard copy form, and to post it to any bulletin board you've seen the original plea on. If you see it in the future, as you probably will, you can attach a copy of this announcement. Wouldn't it be great to finally kill this story, which spreads like a virus? - MRH] -- Professor Gene Spafford Dept. of Computer Sciences Purdue University W. Lafayette IN 47907-1398 spaf@cs.purdue.edu -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism Subject: The Thread With 999 Lives (was: Helping a seven year old) Date: 26 Aug 1993 07:42:34 -0500 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <25ib3qINNfps@alfalfa.cs.utexas.edu> References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com writes: >Hey there, folks! Yeah, I know... this isn't the place to post this... but, >it's folks like you who can make a difference. I just recieved this via e-mail >Helping a seven year old >Craig Shergold is seven years old, suffering from terminal cancer. It is >his ambition to be included in the Guiness Book of Records for the largest >number of business cards ever collected by one person. Hello.... Anybody home?.... This is bullshit.... Some people never learn. -- "Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge sucessfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you." -- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Message-ID: <CCDBq5.ExG@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zurich, Switzerland References: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> <CCC9tL.Fu8@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 13:20:28 GMT In article <CCC9tL.Fu8@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu> Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu writes: > dwrite Workspace DockOnTop 1 > >puts the Dock on top again. No need to dwrite, just Alternate-Click (on a FIP machine, it might be AltGr) on the NeXT icon on top of the dock. Thanks, Sam Streeper! -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mohenly@malahat.library.uvic.ca (Michael O'Henly) Subject: Re: The Thread With 999 Lives (was: Helping a seven year old) Message-ID: <1993Aug26.142102.27143@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> <25ib3qINNfps@alfalfa.cs.utexas.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:21:02 GMT In article <25ib3qINNfps@alfalfa.cs.utexas.edu>, Lance W. Bledsoe <lwb@cs.utexas.edu> wrote: >In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com writes: > Craig Shergold is seven years old, suffering from terminal cancer. It > is his ambition to be included in the Guiness Book of Records for the > largest number of business cards ever collected by one person. >Hello.... Anybody home?.... This is bullshit.... Relax, take a few deep breaths, type 'n' -- whatever... The reason the Craig Shergold story keeps resurfacing is simply that there _are_ people who've never heard it before. So what? Michael -- o --/-- __\ Michael O'Henly \ mohenly@malahat.Library.UVic.CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: muda@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (muda) Subject: Re: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Message-ID: <CCDFu9.AHn@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo References: <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 14:49:20 GMT In article <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: > uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes: > > >In article <1993Aug22.080156.2791@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> > >schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: > >> > >> 1. in most cases the floppy is not mounted using the name > >> of the label, but with something like /no_name, or > >> /boever (or something similar, I don't remember). > >> Under 2.1 it was always /DOS, which is easy when you > >> want to copy files to/from the floppy with scripts. > > >DOS disks can have a label by themselves. If you use DIR on a DOS > >machine, the label will be displayed. As it's perfectly reasonable, > >NeXTSTEP mounts them under this label. It does this with any other > >kind of media too (hard disks, mac formatted hard disks, DOS floppies, > >NeXT floppies, Mac floppies, div. CD-ROMs, opticals, remote file systems, > >whatever you want. If you want to use shell scripts with a constant > >name, then use the same labels for your DOS disks. > > My experience is that even if the DOS disk has a LABEL(name), it still > appears with /no_name in NeXTstep. Using the floppy-label as directory > name is logical for me too. But most often, it doesn't work. Am I the > only one with this experience. > > Willem My experience is show up something like 3DJ@#!/Kl as LABEL!! Not only once but lots! (note. No matter what I have for label, I always get something like like that.)
From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wildcards in .hidden Date: 26 Aug 93 11:28:41 Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <GISLI.93Aug26112841@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Is it possible to use wildcards in the .hidden file. I wish to hide all files with the .log extension but *.log does not work. Writing the individual .log files in .hidden works fine but is really not an option. If I get this working, I would be interested in creating a general .hidden file to hide from view files that I normally would not care to see in Workspace. Is there a way to have .hidden copied into new directories by default or to use a centralized .hidden file by default. Thanks Gisli -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
From: darren@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Darren Greenwald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 Subject: Re: GW 2000 and NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <CCBtD7.HCB@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> Date: 25 Aug 93 17:46:18 GMT References: <DEAN.93Aug24102515@world.std.com> Distribution: comp Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA In article <DEAN.93Aug24102515@world.std.com> dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) writes: >There has been some discussion about what Gateway configuration to buy, how >to configure it, and how well it runs NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Below >is my set of experiences, which I offer by way of example to show the >various trials I faced, and hopefully to reduce those of others who follow. >I do finish with a few QUESTIONS, which can be found under the heading >QUESTIONS. If you know about Gateway 2000 systems and their vagaries, >please see if there are any questions you can help with. > Installing NextStep ... this sounds like a career opportunity for you :-) > >Dean Banfield dean@world.std.com >-- >Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 >Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 >22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com >Darien, CT 06820 -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Darren M. Greenwald | Commodore-Amiga Software Engineering | E-MAIL: darren@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com | UUCP: ...!rutgers!cbmvax!darren -------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference." - Spock
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Re: NeXT Mail/NewsGrazer faces Message-ID: <1993Aug26.152557.2419@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com References: <CCCJyM.3qA@oceania.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 15:25:57 GMT John Dawson writes >Are there any "official" repositories for NeXT Mail and NewsGrazer >faces? You may want to join the next-icon mailing list - we exchange mail tiffs all the time. Send a "subscribe" message to next-icon-request@gun.com. A compilation of mail tiffs and many others has been uploaded to one of the archive sites, but I forget which one. Any other next-icon subscribers reading this? Please fill in the correct info. I also have a procedure that makes setting up Mail and NG tiffs _very_ easy to do. It's all documented and sitting in my Outgoing.mbox (I've had requests for it before), so if you're interested please e-mail to me and I'll NeXTMail you a copy. For anyone who has already received this (subscribers to next-icon and individuals who recently asked me for it), it has not changed so you don't have to get a second copy. Thanx, Michael -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq michael_pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
From: peter@rhea.teorfys.uu.se (Peter Trygg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Alternate AltDock Date: 26 Aug 1993 16:35:01 GMT Organization: Uppsala University Message-ID: <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> Keywords: next-interface My dock is full and I do'nt like AltDock. I once saw someone using another application that displayed an extra dock horisontally when the applications icon was clicked on. The person is now inaccesable but is there someone that knows about such an application. Peter peter@rhea.teorfys.uu.se Dept. of Theoretical Physics Uppsala University
From: michael@tar.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Date: 26 Aug 1993 13:35:02 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Message-ID: <MICHAEL.93Aug26153502@tar.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <SPETERS.93Aug23144549@samsun.us.oracle.com> <CCC9tL.Fu8@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> In-reply-to: Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu's message of Wed, 25 Aug 1993 23:41:45 GMT >>>>> On Wed, 25 Aug 1993 23:41:45 GMT, Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (Paul Kunz) said: Paul> Here's one I found by accident. After loging on a NS/FIP machine, I Paul> noticed upon getting by to my NSC that all the windows are floating on top Paul> of the Dock. Paul> dwrite Workspace DockOnTop 1 Paul> puts the Dock on top again. Alt-Clicking the NeXT logo in the top left corner toggels this behaviour (so there is no need to use dwrite). Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Message-ID: <1993Aug26.165109.15247@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Keywords: next-interface Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:51:09 GMT In article <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> peter@rhea.teorfys.uu.se (Peter Trygg) writes: >My dock is full and I do'nt like AltDock. I once saw >someone using another application that displayed an extra >dock horisontally when the applications icon was clicked on. >The person is now inaccesable but is there someone that knows >about such an application. Are you talking about LIFTOFF from Big City Software??? I find it doesn't work with NS3.x any more....... Anyone know if the company still exist? Andy
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Date: 26 Aug 1993 15:39:24 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <25ilfcINNojr@clem.handheld.com> References: <CCDBq5.ExG@bernina.ethz.ch> What is the purpose of the ScreenSaver.bundle inside of loginwindow.app? The enclosed .nib has a nice looking control panel for a screensaver, but I cannot seem to ever access it. Any ideas? Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <CCDn3F.8s4@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <25gvp0$3lq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> <25hpu0$l48@hermod.uio.no> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 17:26:02 GMT In article <25hpu0$l48@hermod.uio.no> jmm@king.econ.lsa.umich.edu writes: >There has been a fair amount of talk about this technology in various mailing >lists. The technology is not a new idea--this just seems to be the first >commercial offering. The technology for the outgoing traffic is quite old actually, same idea as closed captions which has been around since the 60's. A signal is transmitted during the vertical blank of the video signal and a decoder picks it up. With the relative "clean" of cable lines, you can deliver a lot of info - and at the same time restrict customer usage, same as normal cable TV. Not to mention you get double time out of all your channels, Star Wars on channel 60, and comp.sys.* on channel 60's vertical blank. >The idea is that you do have a two-way connection, of course. But it is >asymmetric. The incoming traffic comes in the cable high-speed, and the >outgoing traffic goes out your phone line at low speed. This is why you need >a "special modem". Interfaces like this have been in use in test networks >for a while now. Outgoing only informations services using this stuff have been around for quite some time now, it is only the integration of receive-cable and transmit-phone that is the new part. Two years ago I was using an information service which, purportedly, broadcast all transactions on the major US stock markets, plug a box into your cable tv line, and the data flowed out a RS-232 interface which you could plug into you computer. $35-$70, cheap. You were stuck using their canned PC software to watch a portfolio - unless you deciphered the proprietary data stream format *grin* >The earlier comment was not that you couldn't do ftp, but that you wouldn't >(feasibly) be able to set up an anon ftp site. That is, you wouldn't have a >connection that was "live" all the time (unless you wanted to pay for a >dedicated phone line and the charges associated with having the phone connected >all the time), and you wouldn't want to have people downloading much from your>machine anyway since the outbound files would be going at, say, 14Kbps. But >you will be able to do both outbound and inbound ftp, just faster in one >direction. Much faster. The potentially evil thing about this is that all the traffic is being broadcast to everyone, once data is being transmitted on the cable tv line, anyone can pick it up. Not good for email and private data unless an encryption scheme goes along with it. Being in Eastern MA, this might be a reason for me to get Cable TV, heh, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Special Forces ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <Aug26.174409.41065@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 17:44:09 GMT References: <24gpam$2ut@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> <25hf6t$qnj@denwa.info.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE > I have 278 pages wired; that's high. That's nearly reboot time, > but I've got too many thing going on. (It's about 70 after > reboot, 110 after starting the window server and terminal, and > about 150 or so after starting workspace and a bunch of apps. > It climbs slowly from there.) Before anybody starts checking their "wired page" count and flipping out, this isn't my experience at all. Pages wired down: 328. Is what I get just after rebooting and opening a terminal. Of course, some of that is due to the number of buffers 3.1 automatically allocates for me, so if you have less memory, you won't have as much memory wired down. NONE of this memory has anything to do with applications. No application can even request to wire a page in memory! After starting another six applications: Pages wired down: 340. "But you said applications can wire down memory!". True. Kernel-level code and device drivers can, though. Since one of the applications I launced was CDPlayer, it loaded a new file system, which wired down memory. The same thing happens if you insert a DOS disk, or a CD-ROM. I just inserted one of the latter, and boom: Pages wired down: 348. ... due to loading a new filesystem. Proof? From a terminal as root, I type "kl_util -u CDROM" to unload the filesystem (after ejecting the disk!) and: Pages wired down: 340. Unloading this stuff won't occur normally, it just isn't loaded at startup time for efficiency's sake, but they stay around after dynamically loading unless you explicitly get rid of them. I am aware of NO wired memory leaks that force you to reboot your system occasionally (other memory leaks are another matter :-) ). Wired memory will go up as more servers are loaded but will reach an equilibrium and stop. All you're doing by rebooting is forcing them to all dynamically reload again and slowing the system down! -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: gt8299c@prism.gatech.EDU (Badri Narasimhan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Sound on NextStep Keywords: sound, NextStep Message-ID: <110477@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 26 Aug 93 17:54:45 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Dear Sir/Madam: I have installed NextStep on a DELL 450 DE/2. However, I am not able to hear any of the audio effects (I am told that there are many). Could anybody help me out? For example, even the demo sounds are not audible. I tried setting the volume level at full blast in the preferences window but of no avail. Hoping to get this fixed, Badri badri@gtsurya.gatech.edu -- Badri Narasimhan Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt8299c Internet: gt8299c@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug26.174230.19697@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1993Aug25.210926.560@gleap.sccsi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 17:42:30 GMT In article <1993Aug25.210926.560@gleap.sccsi.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > Gregory H. Anderson writes > > > >Imagine *incoming* 10MBPS digital feeds for the entire Internet > >traffic, including your mail and all of the newsgroups, to any location > >in the US that's wired for cable TV. > > > I read and re-read that article and still don't see where it mentions > that the traffic is only incoming. Of course, your inside scoop > clarifies this, but why did they choose to do it this way? I am also > surprised that you cannot do ftp since the article talks about > downloading books and such. Would you elaborate on this for us? Only 20% of all cable TV households are on systems that provide feedback from individual households, using encoded keys in the converter boxes. Unless the cable network itself is two-way, inbound is the only feed you can get through the cable system. As someone else wrote, think asynchronously about this problem. The technology is not all built, so I don't know the implementation details. And of course there are issues about receiving mail and other presumably private communications over a system that could be hacked by anyone with the coin for a network sniffer. (Yes, that can happen now on Internet communications, but few people have the resources and desire. This raises the secondary issue of how the character of the Internet will change as more and more people gain access to it.) My comment about ftp was that you could not be an anon site this way, although I assume you will be able to place requests. Again, unknown. There's also the issue of whether you need to dedicate a continuously operating computer to catch the feed, or whether supplied equipment will do that for you. Knight Ridder delivers its stock/bond market information services through a satellite broadcast, and a lot of the same issues apply. Time will tell, but the die is cast. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
From: pakala@sdl.egr.uh.edu (Rama R. Pakala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for a Plotting Object Date: 26 Aug 1993 19:33:42 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <25j36m$9m9@menudo.uh.edu> Hi, In a project I am working on, I need to plot some 2-D curves from data stored in arrays. Info/Pointers to existing objects which can handle plotting, with some basic capabilities such as Zooming in/out of the plot, ability to plot several curves at the same time, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot. Rama. pakala@tree.egr.uh.edu ----- Rama Rao Pakala, Systems Design Laboratory, W224-D3, College of Engineering, University of Houston ******************************************* To be is to do - Immanuel Kant To do is to be - Sigmund Freud Dooby, dooby, do - Frank Sinatra
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: loginwindow defaults Date: 26 Aug 1993 19:43:39 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25j3pb$1im@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'm getting a lot of email on one point and want to check it out. I said that to get rid of the hostname on the login panel, one way was to dwrite loginwindow HostName " " which does work. But people are telling me, in various words, why not get rid of it with dremove loginwindow HostName Now I think that's about the default condition when you upgraded to 3.1 (as long as you blew away your old 3.0 defaults, which I did). The do-nothing behavior is: put it up there, and this is confirmed by the gdb script investigating defaults we saw a couple days ago, which shows loginwindow HostName localhost Note well that this line is *not* in the defaults database; it's compiled in (unless I'm missing something, which would not be a first :-). Further enlightenment, as always, would be welcome. On another point, I've heard from one developer and from NeXT Inc that the reason the sliding image screen saver went away was that it used too much CPU, which especially in server situations was undesirable. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--> If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there. <---]
From: mpelzshe@man104-1.ucsd.edu (Michael Pelz-Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI-interface for NeXT? Message-ID: <53763@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 26 Aug 93 19:15:18 GMT References: <1993Aug26.102822.2550@vaxc.aud.auc.dk> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Followup-To: comp.music Organization: University of California, San Diego In article <1993Aug26.102822.2550@vaxc.aud.auc.dk> mk@musik.auc.dk (Martin Knakkergaard) writes: >We re having some difficulties trying to MIDI-interface our >NeXT-computers. Using the Altech MIDIFace LX (for the Mac) seems to be [etc.] I would guess that the Altech box is not self-powered - i.e. - it draws its power from the Mac. If that's the case, it probably means that the NeXT serial ports require a self-powered interface. There are plenty of those around which cost less than the MTP. -Michael
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Date: 26 Aug 1993 19:41:30 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <25j3la$5s6@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> <1993Aug26.165109.15247@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Keywords: next-interface In article <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> peter@rhea.teorfys.uu.se (Peter Trygg) writes: >My dock is full and I do'nt like AltDock. I once saw >someone using another application that displayed an extra >dock horisontally when the applications icon was clicked on. sounds like Engage from Millenium Software In article <1993Aug26.165109.15247@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > Are you talking about LIFTOFF from Big City Software??? I find it doesn't > work with NS3.x any more....... sure it does, but its a little quirky about drag and drop of icons. to make changes, you may have to edit the .liftoff file to change what is displayed. its easy. be sure to quit Liftoff first, and then restart. > Anyone know if the company still exist? dont kno Developers, if you decide to bail out of the NeXT biz, sorry to see it, but please make the source available for the rest of us if you do that. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: dmarer@td2cad.intel.com (Dennis Marer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old << DON'T DO IT!!! Date: 26 Aug 1993 20:06:52 GMT Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA Message-ID: <25j54s$sl5@inews.intel.com> References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> <1993Aug25.191437.1384@pages.com> In article <1993Aug25.191437.1384@pages.com> schurch@pages.com writes: >In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) >writes: >< a whole bunch of stuff deleted> > >So, I just posted this out, and a co-worker tells me that this is several years >old, and no longer valid. SEVERAL years old. Craig is nearly 12, and has inoperable brain tumor has been operated on and he's doing fine...except for the MILLIONS of cards, etc he receives. Don't send any!!! Recent columns in Ann Landers give the same message - don't send any more! Dennis P.S. I gathered about 100 cards before I found out...oops!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: GW 2000 and NeXTSTEP In-Reply-To: darren@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com's message of 25 Aug 93 17:46:18 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug26180801@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <DEAN.93Aug24102515@world.std.com> <CCBtD7.HCB@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 23:08:01 GMT In article <CCBtD7.HCB@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> darren@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Darren Greenwald) writes: > >There has been some discussion about what Gateway configuration to buy, how > >to configure it, and how well it runs NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Below > >is my set of experiences, which I offer by way of example to show the > >various trials I faced, and hopefully to reduce those of others who follow. > >I do finish with a few QUESTIONS, which can be found under the heading > >QUESTIONS. If you know about Gateway 2000 systems and their vagaries, > >please see if there are any questions you can help with. > > > Installing NextStep ... this sounds like a career opportunity for > you :-) Sorry I tried to help. What is this noise, anyway? -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: Sound on NextStep In-Reply-To: gt8299c@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 26 Aug 93 17:54:45 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug26181306@world.std.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <110477@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 23:13:06 GMT In article <110477@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8299c@prism.gatech.EDU (Badri Narasimhan) writes: > I have installed NextStep on a DELL 450 DE/2. However, I am not >able to hear any of the audio effects (I am told that there are many). >Could anybody help me out? If you do not have a sound card, the default installation will not install any sound support. In Configure.app you will notice this under sound. If you do not have a sound card, NS can only support the system beep, to issue warnings or alerts. I had high hopes, but it can't do it without the audio card. -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rdm@fnbc.com Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Message-ID: <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 21:50:19 GMT In article <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> peter@rhea.teorfys.uu.se (Peter Trygg) writes: > My dock is full and I do'nt like AltDock. I once saw > someone using another application that displayed an extra > dock horisontally when the applications icon was clicked on. > The person is now inaccesable but is there someone that knows > about such an application. > > Peter peter@rhea.teorfys.uu.se > Dept. of Theoretical Physics > Uppsala University > There are two that I know of Engage and Metro Tools/App Launcher. Both will do what you want. The both give you multiple levels of docks so you can really have as many as you like. Engage also lets you put document, files, etc. on the dock which is kind of nice for keeping track of things. Metro Tools has a mini dock feature that is kind of neat since it miniaturizes the app icons to 25% of their size. Engage is by Atherton Software at 415-321-3720 info@asw.com Metro Tools has an address of metrosoft.com, but their info panel gives no ordering information. Randy Miller rdm@fnbc.com p.s. I am not associated with either party...
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: For the record: another 3.1 manpage glitch Date: 26 Aug 1993 19:49:00 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <25j43c$d4h@hub.ucsb.edu> Summary: references in manpage to nonexistent file foxtrot> man move Reformatting page. Wait... /usr/man/man3/plot.3x: line 1: Can't open file tbl quits done foxtrot> more /usr/man/man3/plot.3x /usr/man/man3/plot.3x: No such file or directory foxtrot> cat /usr/man/man3/move.3x .so man3/plot.3x foxtrot> man plot So there is a .so reference to a nonexistent file. Wonder if it is still on the 3.0 CDROM? Doesnt much matter I guess since move and plot dont exist on the NeXT...but why a man page, then? -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NFF to RIB converter (?) Date: 26 Aug 1993 19:59:03 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9308262358.AA19999@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hello, In my quest to find some decent Renderman .rib files of Star Trek spacecraft for my NeXT, I've managed to finally stumble across some models in NFF format that might be interesting. Now I'm wondering if anyone knows of a convertor to turn NFF files into RIB files. If so, I'd greatly appreciate info on where I could get it. To all the people from the NeXT community who have expressed an interest in any 3D models I find, if I can find a convertor and can get everything to work, I'll upload the rib files to the usual archive sites so everyone can enjoy them. Thanks in advance for any tips you can give me! Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Golly, gee whiz, Sir. My experiment disabled our warp `---- | engines, and weapons, and left us inside Romulan space!
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 25 Aug 1993 07:53:43 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <25f29n$7jc@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1993Aug24.211621.19366@gleap.sccsi.com> Bandwidth, Bandwidth, Bandwidth.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@beta.lanl.gov (David R. Wolf) Subject: Telebit T2Saa Modem, Need Help Message-ID: <1993Aug27.010353.27629@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 01:03:53 GMT I need help with the following modem, since it arrived w/o manual. The modem is a telebit T2SAA, ROM BA4.00. What I need to know is: how do I configure it for 19.2 / pep mode? David Wolf, wolf@beta.lanl.gov
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound on NextStep Date: 26 Aug 1993 23:22:22 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <25jgje$138@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <110477@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <110477@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8299c@prism.gatech.EDU (Badri Narasimhan) writes: > Dear Sir/Madam: > > I have installed NextStep on a DELL 450 DE/2. However, I am not able to hear any of the audio effects (I am told that there are many). Could anybody help me out? > In a PC you need special hardware for this to work. Right now only a Soundblaster card is supported, but some companies are offering products with the same capabilities as the NeXT hardware. Expect more support from NeXT in NS3.2 for these cards. Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Date: 27 Aug 1993 02:04:32 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <25jq3g$6am@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> In article <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> rdm@fnbc.com writes: > Engage is by Atherton Software at 415-321-3720 info@asw.com I think they changed their name to Millenium Software Labs other contact info is 1-(800) 732-9009, info@millennium.com evidently the 415 number above is still good according to the Spring 93 third party products guide -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Date: 26 Aug 1993 21:26:42 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <25jnsi$ht6@digifix.digifix.com> References: <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> rdm@fnbc.com writes > There are two that I know of Engage and Metro Tools/App Launcher. Both will do > Engage is by Atherton Software at 415-321-3720 info@asw.com > Metro Tools has an address of metrosoft.com, but their info panel gives no > ordering information. Just a small correction.. Engage! is now from Millennium Software info@millennium.com Engage! Desktop is a new upgrade that I'm expecting in my mailbox any minute now! Looks good in the NeXTWorld review (4.5 cubes) and the upgrade is reasonable ($20) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FOUND Star Trek 3D files, need convertors!!! Date: 26 Aug 1993 22:32:01 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9308270231.AA25053@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Alright, no use tantalizing people. Here's the best tip I've gotten about Star Trek 3D models so far (and of course I get it tonight AFTER making my call for the NFF->RIB convertor). None of the models on the mentioned sites are in .rib format, but there's a wide enough variety that hopefully SOMEONE knows of a convertor that can go from one of the available formats to .rib. All interested parties, please check this out. If anyone can point the rest of us in the direction of a convertor that'll get the job done, please follow up to this post. I know at least 10 people who are interested, because they emailed me asking for any results that I found! Forwarded message: >From sgro@rhino.bocklabs.wisc.edu Thu Aug 26 22:01:11 1993 >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 21:06:16 -0500 >From: sgro@rhino.bocklabs.wisc.edu (jean-yves sgro)>Message-Id: <9308270206.AA05659@rhino.bocklabs.wisc.edu> >To: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) >Subject: Re: Star Trek .rib files (?) > >I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS 3D stuff for over a YEAR!!!!! >BUT >TODAY >I FOUND!!!!!! > > >GO LOOK INTO: > >198.137.231.1 halcyon.com #3D database Location: > >/wuarchive/graphics/graphics/mirrors/avalon.chinalake.navy.mil/objects > > >VOILA, BONNE CHANCE ET AMUSEZ VOUS BIEN [i.e. HAVE FUN!] > >FOR dxf FORMAT TRY: > >128.102.115.149 artemis.arc.nasa.gov >#interesting 3D model database in .dxf (AutoCad), .nff >(neutral file format for Sense8) and .vid (amiga VideoScape) > >I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT .RIB FOR ENTERPRISE. > >AU REVOIR, > >JEAN-LUC PICARD EHM I MEAN JEAN-YVES SGRO > >sgro@macc.wisc.edu -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Cobol. Cobol is for `---- | wimpy applications programmers.
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FOUND Star Trek 3D files, need convertors!!! Date: 27 Aug 1993 03:21:28 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <25jujo$nhr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <9308270231.AA25053@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In article <9308270231.AA25053@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) writes: > Alright, no use tantalizing people. Here's the best tip I've gotten > about Star Trek 3D models so far (and of course I get it tonight AFTER > making my call for the NFF->RIB convertor). None of the models on the > mentioned sites are in .rib format, but there's a wide enough variety > that hopefully SOMEONE knows of a convertor that can go from one of > the available formats to .rib. All interested parties, please check > this out. If anyone can point the rest of us in the direction of a > convertor that'll get the job done, please follow up to this post. > I know at least 10 people who are interested, because they emailed me > asking for any results that I found! Okay, here's my suggestion (and those who know better please steer me!) Gestel Italia's solidThinking Modeler can import DXF files. i'll have to review the lit again, but i think it can save out as RIB files. I think Frontface and Intuitv'3D will do this too. I'll check. I've only been able to screw around with the demo packages (oh, man, do we have nice software for this platform!) If anyone is actively using these 3D apps and has experience with 3D dfile conversion, make yourself heard! (BTW, having a convertor to/from Sense8's NFF formart iss a Good Thing, for whenever some clever souls give us NeXT-VR...:-)) Steve Weintz
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Date: 27 Aug 1993 03:25:14 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <25juqq$6en@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <25ionl$rhf@corax.udac.uu.se> <1993Aug26.165109.15247@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <25j3la$5s6@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> Keywords: next-interface wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > Are you talking about LIFTOFF from Big City Software??? I find it doesn't > work with NS3.x any more....... I replied > sure it does, but its a little quirky about drag and drop of icons. > to make changes, you may have to edit the .liftoff file to change what is displayed. > its easy. be sure to quit Liftoff first, and then restart. to be more precise version 1.0 of Liftoff still works under NS3.x but you have to manually edit the ~/.liftoffBCS file when you change the set of apps it keeps. (that is just a list of the apps one to a line) version 2.0 doesnt seem to work under NS3.x. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: yslee@ux5.lbl.gov (yongsik lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nova needs more disk space Date: 27 Aug 1993 06:16:36 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Message-ID: <25k8s4$htr@overload.lbl.gov> References: <1993Jul23.232208.1434@nimno.wpa.com> <16C15B9D8.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> How about this? Put old files into a CD-ROM and delete from the Nova disks. A CD-ROM can be charged at a reasonable price. Yes, some of us do not have the CD-ROM drive.... Yongsik LEE yslee@ux5.lbl.gov
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 27 Aug 1993 06:18:07 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <25k8uv$bpq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Aug25.052114.10299@csus.edu> In article <1993Aug25.052114.10299@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <25eal3$gtk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> > mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > >Now tell me, what exactly does one get by connecting their PCs and "Special > >Modems" into cable lines? > > More "Home Shopping" opportunities. :-) > > -=EPS=- Well, I read the article regarding this cable company's foray into information service and I must take back all the nasty things I said (I won't bother quoting myself in reverse). The article indicated that one would be able to access the internet by connecting to their cable company cables and get up to 10Mbits/second bandwidth. Now exactly how this connection is accomplished (probably it doesn't connect to your thin coax connector) and how much of this bandwidth is for data and how much for overhead and commercials or whether they would provide mail spooling or if you would have a permanant ip address was not discussed. It is a good start though, however it is implemented. I look forward to the day that I can connect my NeXT to my Austin CableVision cable and get a "real" net connection. On a side note, I noticed that here in Texas (at least) the telephone company has won the right in court to broadcast programming over telephone lines. This is another good first step toward getting real bandwidth right into my home. Which ever way it comes, I already have the check written. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 27 Aug 1993 06:26:49 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <25k9f9$c54@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <CCBF46.FCB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> In article <CCBF46.FCB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > > Now tell me, what exactly does one get by connecting their PCs and > "Special > > Modems" into cable lines? > > You get access to the Internet, you know, access to things like > Usenet, gopher servers worldwide, mail, etc.... Maybe you didn't get the point of my question... I am familiar with the services offered on the internet (obviously I can post to usenet and send mail and I also know about gopher, wais, ftp, irc, and most of the other goodies). My point was do you really get all of this or do you get "limited" services as determined by the cable provider and how is the connection implemented? Do I get everything like I get it now via SLIP or is it like being physically attached via ethernet or is it character based only or must you use some proprietary front end like America Online? We can assume we will "get" but what I want to know is how much we will get, how and in what form will we get it and what we might expect to pay for it. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NeXT, NeXT-Hardware, and NEXTSTEP FAQs Message-ID: <1993Aug27.064030.1873@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Aug27.062953.953@cs.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 06:40:30 GMT In article <1993Aug27.062953.953@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu writes: > Archive-name: NEXTSTEP-Compatibility-FAQ > Last-modified: Fri Aug 27 01:27:51 EDT 1993 > Version: 3.0 Darn, the subject lines weren't changed to individual titles by a script I used. Oh well, I'll repost the corrected files. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 27 Aug 1993 06:53:09 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: world Message-ID: <25kb0l$d1o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <25hpu0$l48@hermod.uio.no> In article <25hpu0$l48@hermod.uio.no> jmm@king.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Jeffrey K. MacKie-Mason) writes: > The idea is that you do have a two-way connection, of course. But it is > asymmetric. The incoming traffic comes in the cable high-speed, and the > outgoing traffic goes out your phone line at low speed. This is why you > need a "special modem". Interfaces like this have been in use in test > networks for a while now. Hmm, seems like a lot of trouble, trying to sync incoming data over one medium with outbound data on another one. Some thoughts... most things you do on the net require outbound information to initiate the event, to begin and end the inflow of information, to provide the remote machine with information about the local machine, continuing requests, changes in status, acknowlegements, etc. Basically a two way communication is essential. What happens when all these people want to use it simultaneously? How many "special modems" will be available at the cable company end to receive the incoming data from customers? It's hard to imagine this being very efficient. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism From: schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) Subject: Helping a 7 year old... no way, Jose! Message-ID: <1993Aug26.191504.2092@pages.com> Sender: schurch@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 19:15:04 GMT Punishing a person masquerading as a seven year old Craig Shergold was seven years old, suffering from terminal cancer. It was his ambition to be included in the Guiness Book of Records for the largest number of business cards ever collected by one person. Craig was grateful because folks like you sent your business cards to the address below as well as sending his request to as many other companies as you can. Craig Shergold c/o Children's Make a Wish Foundation 32 Perimeter Centre East Atlanta Georgia USA 30346 Obviously, Craig got what he wanted. As a matter of fact, Craig was the primary cause of a large Postal Incinerator being installed in his local Post Office. An entire fleet of mail vehicles was responsible for delivering the gigantic boxes of business cards that arrived daily. Welsh postal workers would make deliveries well into the night. The piles of unopened boxes grew in his parents yard, until neighbors finally sought action and had the house condemned as a combination fire hazard and potential mold breeding ground (wet paper is a great place for mold to grow). Craig has reportedly recovered from his terminal illness, and now runs a recycling business with a Tele-marketing offshoot. All those names and addresses that he gets... it's like money in the bank. Rumors abound as to his selling lists of names and addresses to various companies that in return resale the information to those same folks that call you late at night to know if you want to purchase a subscription, or give to their religious organization, or send money to save the rocks, or something else as equally important and time consuming. Not only that, but Craig's past plight has caused many people to spread the faith, much as a religious story... hundreds of years from now, it will be a legend on how business cards cured Brain Tumors in the late 20th Century. No, really, these things get out of control.If we don't stop this now, it may become a custom to just send boxes of business cards off to folks, as a gesture of kindness. Wales, in response to increased political pressure from the Postal Workers Veterans groups, has declared it an act of war to send Craig your business card. Please, don't send anything to Craig, or we may see the imminent commencement of hostilities... and I personally have nothing against Welshmen or Welshwomen (or their cats or dogs or sheep or ferrets or whatever). If you are just dying to send something somewhere, keep the business cards where they belong. Instead, send me a company coffee mug. No, I don't have a terminal illness... but I like coffee mugs. And, if I get too many, there will be a lot of homeless folks in San Diego who can have unmatched coffee mug sets .... "Let them drink from Coffee Mugs!" or something like that... So, the message is clear : People are freaking out about this post i made yesterday. Keep your business cards. Don't make war with Welshfolk. ;-) Sean Church schurch@pages.com (My bust, my company is laughing at me so hard right now, I shall never be kind again, I am going to be evil...)
Newsgroups: alt.personals,comp.sys.next.misc From: schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old Message-ID: <1993Aug27.025930.2424@pages.com> Keywords: never again Sender: schurch@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 02:59:30 GMT In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) writes: > <random slashing of plantive cry to help some kid who is the butt of some evil joke...> Hey! Enough! I realise I was foolish to think this was for real! Now, I am going to take up kicking seven year olds in their business card... oh no, O.K., so I got taken in. I was not being malicious! This tells you how much time I spend reading news... not much. My life is kind of full right now... some of the in jokes I have no clue about. Craig doesn't want your business cards anymore. ;-) O.K. ? Peace. Stop with the "You IDIOT" e-mails... I didn't realise there were so many self- appointed net cops around... I didn't vote for them.... ;-) Sean schurch@pages.com (running from my machine, and checking it in three days to see if the disk is chocked full of mail messages...)
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got 3.1 for NeXT hardware yet? Date: 26 Aug 1993 20:27:37 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <25j6bp$1a7@localhost.dk> References: <CBz8I2.E4x@unix.portal.com> In article <CBz8I2.E4x@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) writes: |>Has anybody applied for and got their copy of NS 3.1 for black hardware |>yet? The offer expires at the end of this month for $75 to upgrade. |> |>Brian Leake, |>Fox River Financial Resources, Inc. I got a month ago. Best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 _____________________________________________
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FAQ to news.answers? Message-ID: <53785@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 27 Aug 93 07:27:50 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: na Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD The FAQ is here. Yeah! Shouldn't it be cross-posted to news.answers? I regularly look at that group and it might attract more people to read it. Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Kodak Color Copier and NeXT cube Message-ID: <1993Aug27.060533.10366@imani.cam.org> Keywords: dots Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 06:05:33 GMT Hi you all! I have access to a Kodak Color Copier at work, the one that is basically a Canon CLC250 with a Kodak label. I've been told that this machine is computer-litterate, all it needs is an interface and postscript RIP. Dots offers a package to drive CLC250s. Would this work with a Kodak printer? What is the equipment/cost needed, on top of the copier and Dots (i.e. interface card/box, etc...)? Also, is the color printer available from Macintoshes connected with something like Ushare? To SoftPC apps? (This is on a Cube) Anybody with answers (Dots or anybody), or experiences, e-mail me, I'll summarize. Ciao, and thanks. Nicolas Dore -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aberno@saltwater.com (Anthony Berno) Subject: Help installing NS on Versa Message-ID: <1993Aug26.205742.16615@saltwater.com> Sender: aberno@saltwater.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 20:57:42 GMT I have a NEC Ultralite Versa on which I need to install NS/FIP, but since I don't have any use for a dock/SCSI adapter other than the initial installation, I would appreciate it if someone in or near the SF Bay Area would assist me. (I have a CD-ROM drive already.) In return for using your dock/SCSI adapter, I would be happy to provide a gourmet dinner either at your place or mine, plus whatever Next-related things I could assist you with myself. My schedule is 100% open. Email me at aberno@saltwater.com, or just call (510) 487-6725 -Anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matt Brandt) Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Message-ID: <1993Aug26.174731.7535@drefla.mese.com> Sender: matt@drefla.mese.com Organization: Applied Engineering References: <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 17:47:31 GMT In article <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) writes: > Imagine *incoming* 10MBPS digital feeds for the entire Internet traffic, > including your mail and all of the newsgroups, to any location in the US > that's wired for cable TV. > > Stop. Close your eyes and think about it. Giddy yet? I would assume that this is a "blast away, best effort datagram" kind of thing. For stuff like news bound to everyone it would work ok (they could just repeat everything a few times and hope you got it) but how would it handle error detection and correction for traffic destined to a single system? Or does it? I don't get nearly as giddy about broadcast stuff as I do about real end to end traffic. ----------------------------------------------------------- Matt Brandt | A short .sig matt@drefla.mese.com | is a good .sig ----------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Matt Brandt | A short .sig matt@drefla.mese.com | is a good .sig
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFF to RIB converter (?) Date: 27 Aug 1993 13:06:18 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <25l0sa$1nk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <9308262358.AA19999@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) wrote... >In my quest to find some decent Renderman .rib files of Star Trek >spacecraft for my NeXT, I've managed to finally stumble across some >models in NFF format that might be interesting. Now I'm wondering if >anyone knows of a convertor to turn NFF files into RIB files. If so, >I'd greatly appreciate info on where I could get it. In my desperate attempts to get these .rib files, I've found all sorts of OTHER convertors, but nothing that goes to .rib. If anybody knows of ANY convertors from ANY format to .rib, please email me and let me know. And to those who were wondering about .rib file formats, if you can get your hands on a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1, there's a file in "/NextLibrary/Documentation/Pixar/", I believe, the has alot of info on Quick Renderman and the .rib format. Not knowing a whole lot about this stuff, I can't say for sure if it has the necessary info to create .rib files, but it might help some. Thanks! Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Pascal or Bliss or Ada. `---- | Strong typing is for people with weak memories.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: FAQ to news.answers? Message-ID: <1993Aug27.165928.7155@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <53785@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:59:28 GMT In article <53785@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > The FAQ is here. Yeah! > > Shouldn't it be cross-posted to news.answers? > I regularly look at that group and it might > attract more people to read it. I'm submitting it for the moderator's approval. In the future, you should email FAQ suggestions to me, since I might not see a posted comment. Thanks! -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Nextstep Installed and running! Message-ID: <jhough.746470419@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:53:39 GMT Well, I want to thank everyone who answered my questions over the last couple of weeks. Thanks to some planning ahead of time, I was able to get Nextstep up and running first try, well - I accidentally choose the wrong mouse driver, by Next's tech support answered on the first ring and got me up in no time! Thanks again! I'm proud to become a member of the Next community. Jason Hough -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Israeli NeXTies? Message-ID: <1993Aug27.163931.6227@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:39:31 GMT Yesterday I was talking up NeXT and NeXTSTEP to our Israeli visitor, when he commented that he knew of no one in Israel who has one. Which led me to the realization that I don't recall ever seeing an *.il address here on CSN. Are there any Israeli NeXT users out there? If not, why not? (Ami tells me that Silicon Graphics is making a very aggressive push at getting the Israeli academic market.) -- Dick Silbar (NeXTMail OK) 505-667-5253
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Discrete-event simulation? Message-ID: <1993Aug27.164203.6894@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:42:03 GMT Is there any software for NeXTSTEPa out there along these lines? If not, has anyone written anything? -- Dick Silbar (NeXTMail OK) 505-667-5253
From: dbbrown@otter.mrj.com (Dan Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HP 97560 Hard Drive Inquiry Date: 27 Aug 1993 14:38:10 -0400 Organization: MRJ, Inc./Oakton, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <25lkai$l4d@otter.mrj.com> I am posting this for a friend so please send responding e-mail to: jjobe@mrj.com I have a NeXT Cube with an 030 board. I am thinking about purchasing the following hard drive. HP 97560 1.335 Gigabytes (Formatted) 13.5 ms access time SCSI II interface 5.25 Full Height Does anyone have any experience or comments on this drive and any advice on what problems I may have connecting it to my machine. Thanks, Jason Jobe (jjobe@mrj.com)
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: boldification Date: 27 Aug 1993 20:05:34 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <25lpeeINN45c@gap.caltech.edu> Is there a way to "boldify" a font that doesn't have an explicit bold or demi version? I know that on a Mac I can get a bold Zapf Chancery, even though there really isn't a design for it. If someone knows of some software on the NeXT that can do this, or a PostScript code fragment, or whatever, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: me@hal (David Wallin) Subject: NewsGrazer with different port. Message-ID: <1993Aug27.202945.6238@kth.se> Keywords: NewsGrazer Sender: usenet@kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 20:29:45 GMT Hi Net! I would like to know if it is possible to change what port NewsGrazer is using to connect to nntp. Default it is port 119, I want port <1000. -- David Wallin. (using erics' account) "somehow I imagined this experience d91-elu@nada.kth.se would be more rewarding." -Calvin. BEWARE: This .signature is a beta-version. It still contains some bugs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace) Subject: Re: HP 97560 Hard Drive Inquiry Message-ID: <jgraceCCFpwC.LzF@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <25lkai$l4d@otter.mrj.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 20:21:47 GMT In article <25lkai$l4d@otter.mrj.com> dbbrown@otter.mrj.com (Dan Brown) writes: >I have a NeXT Cube with an 030 board. I am thinking about purchasing >the following hard drive. > > HP 97560 > 1.335 Gigabytes (Formatted) > 13.5 ms access time > SCSI II interface > 5.25 Full Height > >Does anyone have any experience or comments on this drive and any advice >on what problems I may have connecting it to my machine. > > Thanks, > > Jason Jobe (jjobe@mrj.com) I have a 2 Gig HP drive, the C3010 (SCSI-II...). My advice is... think at least twice before buying an HP drive. I found out the hard way (trying to get my drive repaired) that HP does not warranty the drive to the end-user but only to the distributor. The distributor didn't want to repair the drive since my vendor (Tecor) is now out of business. Eventually, HP took over a month to replace my drive with "expedited" service and only did so begrudgingly. HP refused to deal with me directly but required me to deal with their distributor (middle-man) to have the distributor have HP repair the drive. Furthermore, HP personnel were duplicitous, unreliable, and unprofessional to deal with. They never did ship me a new drive as they promised (instead they shipped a low serial number refurbished drive, I believe). This service nightmare was very recent ("ended" July 29, 1993). Needless to say, I would not buy an HP again without carefully exploring the so-called "HP" warranty. I hope my current HP equipment never requires service again. If anyone would like a copy of the letter I sent to Lew Platt, President of HP, outlining the problems HP has with their customer service, I can forward a copy. Mr. Lew Platt didn't care to reply though I requested he do so. Also, the HP "reply" from Mr. Bruce Spenner, General Manager of Disk Memory Division at HP, did not address the full issues I raised in my carefully prepared letter. Instead, the General Manager's short, cursory letter concluded: If you should have any additional questions regarding our warranty policy, please contact Eric Abrahms [mis-spelled!] ([xxx/xxx-xxxx]), located in the corporate office of our authorized distributor, Arrow Electronics, Inc.; Commercial Systems Group. Even dealing with customer service issues explicitly, my experience is HP stonewalls and isolates itself from the customer. For a premium, mission-critical piece of equipment, a $3,785.00 hard drive at time of purchase, I expected much more reasonable service. If you do choose to go with HP, try to get a copy of "your" 5 year "HP" warranty first and see what, if anything, you get! Then ask what the advertised "5 year" warranty means if it doesn't extend to you! :-) :-) :-) My bottom-line advice is: caveat emptor! (By the way, the DEC drives looked pretty nice to me as I was preparing to buy a replacement drive since HP missed its third return deadline. However, I suppose you should check DEC's warranty too. I never got that far before discovering HP had lied to me about a "shortage" of C3010 drives.) Cheers, = Joe = p.s., technologically the HP drives seem fine (though my original drive did fail). My foremost gripe would be the noise of the drives, especially when seeking. The DEC drives are supposedly relatively quiet.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Message-ID: <1993Aug27.194450.13828@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 19:44:50 GMT In article <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> rdm@fnbc.com writes: > Metro Tools has an address of metrosoft.com, but their > info panel gives no ordering information. The demo version does - which we expected to get most of our orders from. Full copies of the program come with a printed manual that has our address and phone numbers in it. If you have a fully-enabled copy that wasn't purchased, it is likely that you are a potential large-volume customer, and your point of contact has info on contacting us. For info on MetroTools and our other products, we can be contacted at: info@metrosoft.com 800.851.8665 619.488.9411 Thanks, Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old Message-ID: <1993Aug27.194701.13910@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 19:47:01 GMT In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) writes: > > [....ack!....] > One more person bitten by the most notorious Usenet folklore legend... Sean, Sean, Sean.... :-) -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Discrete-event simulation? Date: 27 Aug 1993 23:15:02 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <25m4hm$9gs@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <1993Aug27.164203.6894@newshost.lanl.gov> In article <1993Aug27.164203.6894@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > Is there any software for NeXTSTEPa out there along these lines? If not, has > anyone written anything? there is a Simulation Kit, from what I remember it looked more focused towards continuous simulation than discrete event simulation, but it probably does some of both By NeXT Mail: uunet.uu.net!doberman!simkit By telephone: +1 801 944-4329 By US Mail: Doberman Systems 2027 East Ashley Ridge Road Sandy, UT 84092-7260 The SimulationKit may be purchased from Doberman Systems for US$399 or US$99 academic. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: harrywan@symantec.com (Harry Wan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer for Intel Platform Date: 28 Aug 1993 01:40:50 GMT Organization: Symantec/Peter Norton Group Message-ID: <harrywan.18.0@symantec.com> Does anyone know a site that has NewsGrazer compiled for the intel platform? Harry
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Tiffs of Butterflies Date: 28 Aug 1993 07:25:37 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25n19h$kvi@news.doit.wisc.edu> This weekend's contribution to the lore of 3.1 login panels is a collection of five exotic paintings of butterflies. Even in monochrome, the images are pretty nice. I tried to mount them in a fairly simple but appropriate way. Available by anonymous ftp from yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], directory pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1, files butterflies.tar and butterflies.README. Quite a few of the earlier tiffs in my collection were not LWZ compressed. I fixed that while I was at it, resulting in smaller files; they don't compress further with compress, which is why the collections are tar files, not tar.Z. Also, for those who've fetched artworks.tar, I've added a to me irresistible image, a photo by Robert Mapplethorpe, to that archive. Despite being a monochrome version of a picture in stunning color, it came out pretty well. It's my current favorite of the entire lot. Don't ask me why I enjoy this so much, but I do. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---> Pros are people who do jobs well even when they don't feel like it. <---]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: me@hal (David Wallin) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer with different port. Message-ID: <1993Aug28.185715.26476@kth.se> Sender: usenet@kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA References: <1993Aug27.202945.6238@kth.se> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 18:57:15 GMT In article <1993Aug27.202945.6238@kth.se> me@hal (David Wallin) writes: > > Hi Net! > I would like to know if it is possible to change what port NewsGrazer > is using to connect to nntp. Default it is port 119, I want port <1000. I screwed up, read: >1024. -- David Wallin. (using erics' account) "somehow I imagined this experience d91-elu@nada.kth.se would be more rewarding." -Calvin. BEWARE: This .signature is a beta-version. It still contains some bugs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Subject: Ada/Ed? Message-ID: <1993Aug28.230659.5102@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 23:06:59 GMT Has anyone compiled Ada/Ed for NeXT? I had a vague memory of having seen it at either nova.cc.purdue.edu or cs.orst.edu, but now that I was looking for it, I couldn't find it. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Fredrik
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Color Butterfly Date: 29 Aug 1993 01:04:11 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25ovab$1ih@news.doit.wisc.edu> Moved as I was by the evident disappointment of a butterfly fan looking for color images, I've scanned one of the butterflies from my collection of 3.1 login tiffs in color and put it up for anonymous ftp (yak.macc.wisc.edu, 144.92.30.18, directory pub/next/images/color). It's _morpho rhetenor_, an irridescent blue butterfly from China. It's from a cheapo note card I have here; the original is in Donovan and Westwood's "The Natural History of the Insects of China" (1842). I do not have a color monitor, but the scanner does do color. It's 300 dpi, and be warned that even though the image is not big (4.25x5.375 inches), the file is 5.5MB *after* LWZ compression. I'm not real rich in disk space on that machine, so I may have to ditch it after a little while. Somebody let me know how it came out, since I can't see it in color. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--------------> The greatest cunning is to have none at all. <---------------]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Three More 3.1 Login Panels Date: 29 Aug 1993 01:21:09 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25p0a5$1o4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mucking around in my old stuff, that is, 3.0 login tiffs, throwing it away by the handful (how could I ever have liked most of that?), I found three I didn't completely hate and redid them in 3.1 form. One was a design exercise using the NeXT logo, another was a bit of op-art I made when I was first learning how to use Icon.app, and the third is scarfed from a kind of neat hi-res 3-D image of PacMan gobbling dots (that is, spheres). You will find them (with a README) in pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1/miscellany.tar on yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18]. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----------> The heart has its reasons which reason does not know. <----------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: *STONE DESIGN: change of Address* Message-ID: <1993Aug29.001541.16671@stone.com> Keywords: Stone Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 00:15:41 GMT Hey Folks, We've grown, and had to move to a bigger facility; please update your dataPhiles and sbooks accordingly: Stone Design 3725 Rio Grande NW Albuquerque, NM 87107-3041 Phone: (505) 345 4800 Fax : (505) 345 3424 Email: Information: info@stone.com File server: file-server@stone.com Bugs: bugs@stone.com me: andrew@stone.com ftp: ftp.cs.unm.edu in pub/stone I apologize for the shotgun posting, just wanted to cover all bases. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.att,comp.sys.mips,comp.unix.xenix.sco Subject: Re: Windows NT For UNIX Developers Date: 29 Aug 1993 03:08:14 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> In article <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> mmann@fedunix.org (Marshall Mann) writes: > NT-12 Visual C++/NT Programming Tutorial > Instructor: Richard Hale Shaw > Visual C++ is the first visual programming environment for Windows NT. > Visual programming means less work, less coding, and greater programmer productivity: > you'll use point 'n click and drag 'n drop to create 95% of an application's code. ^^^ I always suspected that all but 5% of my applications code was unnecessary crud that could be replaced by a few mouse clicks. Must be true if Microsoft says its so. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.att,comp.sys.mips,comp.unix.xenix.sco From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Windows NT For UNIX Developers Message-ID: <CCI4Mz.96@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 03:35:26 GMT In article <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> mmann@fedunix.org (Marshall Mann) writes: >> NT-12 Visual C++/NT Programming Tutorial >> Instructor: Richard Hale Shaw >> Visual C++ is the first visual programming environment for Windows NT. >> Visual programming means less work, less coding, and greater programmer productivity: >> you'll use point 'n click and drag 'n drop to create 95% of an application's code. > ^^^ > >I always suspected that all but 5% of my applications code was >unnecessary crud that could be replaced by a few mouse clicks. >Must be true if Microsoft says its so. Yowza. We'd really be styling if we could have point 'n clicked up 95% of Executor's code. I hope our competitors don't start using Visual C++; we'll get our doors blown off! Actually we do have an NT port planned, after Executor/X-Windows is released on the Alpha we'll do an Alpha NT version. It's just too fun to develop on a machine that compiles quicker than I can make the tip connection to read news (i.e. before I can read one article, the compile's done... gcc built from scratch in about 12 minutes not counting fixincludes). --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate AltDock Date: 29 Aug 1993 04:04:30 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: world Message-ID: <25p9se$1uo@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Aug26.215019.2136@fnbc.com> <25jnsi$ht6@digifix.digifix.com> In article <25jnsi$ht6@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: > Engage! Desktop is a new upgrade that I'm expecting in my mailbox any >minute now! Looks good in the NeXTWorld review (4.5 cubes) and the upgrade is >reasonable ($20) It's $28 including shipping and it works real well under NS 3.1; no more untitled documents, it's got better screensaver features, you can put icons on the workspace background, you can put a background, and it's got a pop-up list for levels. It places an icon for each app it launches, which is nice, but it doesn't know about Workspace's icons and they tend to try and use the same bit of real estate... >- Scott Anguish - ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ There's little in taking or giving, There's little in water or wine: This living, this living, this living, Was never a project of mine. Oh, hard is the struggle, and sparse is The gain of the one at the top, For art is a form of catharsis, And love is a permanent flop, And work is the province of cattle, And rest's for a clam in a shell, So I'm thinking of throwing the battle -- Would you kindly direct me to hell? -- Dorothy Parker
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What to do with a cube with no monitor Date: 29 Aug 1993 05:30:58 GMT Organization: CompSci, U of Waikato, New Zealand Distribution: world Message-ID: <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: monitor We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My turboslab is kind of reluctant to function without a monitor. Is this the same with cubes ? If we were to get hold of a monitor or three, does it matter if the monitor was the old kind or the newer ? Any help much appreciated, Kerry Guise
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@bMD.com> Subject: Re: Israeli NeXTies? Message-ID: <1993Aug29.004037.5288@bmd.com> Sender: neil@bmd.com Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. References: <1993Aug27.163931.6227@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 00:40:37 GMT In article <1993Aug27.163931.6227@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > Yesterday I was talking up NeXT and NeXTSTEP to our Israeli visitor, when he > commented that he knew of no one in Israel who has one. Which led me to the > realization that I don't recall ever seeing an *.il address here on CSN. > > Are there any Israeli NeXT users out there? If not, why not? (Ami tells me > that Silicon Graphics is making a very aggressive push at getting the Israeli > academic market.) > > -- > Dick Silbar (NeXTMail OK) > 505-667-5253 Here I go again, playing NeXT martyr. I have been working with a company that is located in Israel on another project and actually got them to purchase the eval kit. I don't know if they got NEXTSTEP loaded, it was low on the priority list and we have been busy with other things. But, here is there info: News Datacom 6 Kiryat Mada Street, Har Hotzvim Jerusalem 91230, Israel Telephone: 972-2 893 444 Contacts: David Nabosny Senior Marketing Carmi Bogot Database Technology Group Leader They will at least know what you mean when you say NEXTSTEP. In fact, Dan Lavin may have even talked/met with them. Dan, you listening??? I have some follow-up work to do regarding their Eval-Kit, but this is currently being handled in stages through another project/company in LA. Hope this info helps.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.att,comp.sys.mips,comp.unix.xenix.sco From: duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) Subject: Re: Windows NT For UNIX Developers Message-ID: <CCIDst.FD1@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 06:53:17 GMT In article <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> mmann@fedunix.org (Marshall Mann) writes: >> NT-12 Visual C++/NT Programming Tutorial >> Instructor: Richard Hale Shaw >> Visual C++ is the first visual programming environment for Windows NT. >> Visual programming means less work, less coding, and greater programmer productivity: >> you'll use point 'n click and drag 'n drop to create 95% of an application's code. > ^^^ > >I always suspected that all but 5% of my applications code was >unnecessary crud that could be replaced by a few mouse clicks. >Must be true if Microsoft says its so. I own a copy of Visual C++, and if you want my concise, deliberated opinion of the above statement, I have to say, from great experience, ack pthhh thhthh. Not bloody likely, unless your particular application revolves around displaying fifty dialog boxes which ask lots of questions, then exits. Duane -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Duane Takamine duane@shell.portal.com Island CD Creations Madd Hacker Productions Home of the Sound Site CDROM - nearly 1400 mods on disc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: Windows NT For UNIX Developers Message-ID: <1993Aug29.044559.4578@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 04:45:59 GMT Alex Blakemore writes >In article <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> mmann@fedunix.org (Marshall Mann) writes: >> NT-12 Visual C++/NT Programming Tutorial >> Instructor: Richard Hale Shaw >> Visual C++ is the first visual programming environment for Windows NT. >> Visual programming means less work, less coding, and greater programmer productivity: >> you'll use point 'n click and drag 'n drop to create 95% of an application's code. > ^^^ > >I always suspected that all but 5% of my applications code was >unnecessary crud that could be replaced by a few mouse clicks. >Must be true if Microsoft says its so. > I'm no Windog programmer (thankfully), but perhaps this is really true for those poor souls. Your apps' code is significantly more than 5% of the total because you've been using NS and IB, so you don't have the many thousands of lines of Interface handling code that is apparently required by Windog...until now, apprently. Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: boldification Message-ID: <1993Aug29.114425.4917@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <25lpeeINN45c@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 11:44:25 GMT In article <25lpeeINN45c@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: -> -> Is there a way to "boldify" a font that doesn't have -> an explicit bold or demi version? I know that on a -> Mac I can get a bold Zapf Chancery, -> even though there really isn't a design for it. -> -> If someone knows of some software on the NeXT that -> can do this, or a PostScript code fragment, or -> whatever, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -> -> Mark Adler -> madler@cco.caltech.edu Mark, You can ``overprint'' with a slight offset up-left or up-right. The actual PostScript code to do this could be quite complex, taking into account the ``screen'', or simple, merely defining a secondary ``show'' operator which accepts a string and a position, does the first show, a grestore, an rmove (of, say -.33 .33 (point), and another show. This is meant as a direction, not a complete solution. A second way is to set a linewidth and both stroke and fill the type-set strings. Neither of these will give you a true boldface, just as an ``Oblique'' font is not necessarily an ``Italic''. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com NeXT-Mail preferred, MIME-Mail ok
From: gld@mhoro.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Pentium vs PowerPC : my personal take and NeXTstep Followup-To: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 29 Aug 1993 19:08:02 GMT Organization: The Bloomingdale Insane Asylum (now Columbia University) Message-ID: <25quqi$rc8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <25lf4c$bb1@nwfocus.wa.com> <DOCONNOR.93Aug27112858@ravage.sedona.intel.com> <ibhan.746508414@husc.harvard.edu> <Aug29.171049.25426@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> Nathaniel Sammons <ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu> wrote: >True NeXTstep (Ihate teh all-caps "STEP" garbage) is a really great, >and innovative OS, but there is a severe shortage of software for it. >It's development enviroment is absolutely amazing, and I (IMHO) think >that NeXT would sell a large (really large) number of copies of it's >dev system if they could port it to basically all platforms, and >become the defacto development system. I've only used NeXTstep (hey, that does look nicer! (-;) briefly and despite the relative slowness of the hardware (because NS does a LOT of stuff), it is the most graceful user environment that I've come across: features as good or better than Macintosh, with Unix inside including a C-shell whenever I need one. While I'm as stingy second- hand or outlet type of person, NeXTstep on a PowerPC could convince me to queue up with my chequebook/plastic in hand on release day ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare Montreal Canadiens, > gld@columbia.EDU 1993 Champions! > gld@cunixc.BITNET La Coupe Stanley Cup
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Boy, Did I Screw Things Up! Message-ID: <19687@news.duke.edu> Date: 29 Aug 93 19:20:20 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu In the process of trying to fix the NetInfo database on my cube, I ended up with the only solution being a hard drive rebuild (for which I was ready for). Now, I'm in the process of taking a NeXTSTEP 2.1-built hard drive (built from the optical disk) and going through the steps of upgrading it to 3.0. Now, I did the Upgrade Prep from the enclosed floppy without problems, and I restart the system. But, when I fire up Upgrade_3.0.app from the NeXTSTEP_3.0 CD-ROM, I get the following message: Could not find the new software. This application should be run from the root of the new release. It then opens a mini File Viewer to look for the Upgrader control file to be opened which it says was supplied with the new software ?!? What is going on. I'm hung up at this point and would like to move on with the upgrade so I can get some work done until I get my own copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1. Any help would be appreciated. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: michael@denwa.info.com (Michael Gersten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Date: 29 Aug 1993 12:49:47 -0700 Organization: Info Connections, West Los Angeles Message-ID: <25r18r$ar8@denwa.info.com> References: <Aug15.073135.23769@acs.ucalgary.ca> <25hf6t$qnj@denwa.info.com> <Aug26.174409.41065@acs.ucalgary.ca> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE I wrote: >> I have 278 pages wired; that's high. That's nearly reboot time, >> ... >> about 150 or so after starting workspace and a bunch of apps. >> It climbs slowly from there.) In article <Aug26.174409.41065@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >Before anybody starts checking their "wired page" count and >flipping out, this isn't my experience at all. > >Pages wired down: 328. > >Is what I get just after rebooting and opening a terminal. Of > ... > >Unloading this stuff won't occur normally, it just isn't loaded >at startup time for efficiency's sake, but they stay around after >dynamically loading unless you explicitly get rid of them. > >I am aware of NO wired memory leaks that force you to reboot your >system occasionally (other memory leaks are another matter :-) ). >Wired memory will go up as more servers are loaded but will reach >an equilibrium and stop. All you're doing by rebooting is *NOT* true. I don't have to start any more applications, or load any more kernel servers, or anything, and I still climb. Today, for example, I'm up to 291 pages; that's 13 more than the last time. It does go up as I launch apps, but I have never seen it go down by any appriciable amount -- even logging out, exiting the window server, and going into the raw console doesn't lower it by more than about 20 pages, max. (usually less under 2.1, I haven't checked it under 3.x yet). On the other hand, after doing that, and restarting the window server, no more memory is wired. So this implies three things: 1. The kernel wires memory for its use, 2. It does not release it back to the general pool afterwards in all cases, 3. It does keep track of it for it's own re-use. Either that, or there's a lot more kernel utilities than just (34) % kl_util -s SERVER: slip Loaded SERVER: audio Loaded By rebooting, I am doing two things: 1. Forcing these servers/memory use to be re-allocated. This does slow things down a little. 2. Freeing an extra meg of memory for my applications. This has a big affect on the speed of services, and Improv's Presentation Builder (which is inherently a two application deal, and so, slow on an 8 meg machine. Yes, just changing an active app does paging, but under normal circumstances, thats all the paging I do on my machine. 8 megs does work on 680x0.) I don't know where the leak is. I do know that it is there. Here's an idea: why don't some other people start taking measurements of their wired down amounts, and see what it does over time. -- Michael Gersten michael@stb.info.com NeXT Registered Developer (NeRD) # 3860 -- Hire me! (Ready around 10/93) Standing for a government of Integrity and No Special Cases; running for President on this platform in 2000. Contacts, volunteers, helpers needed.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: NewsGrazer hanging Message-ID: <CCJEuo.q3@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 20:13:36 GMT I entered my nntp server name wrong and now I can't even remove NewsGrazer, get a new one, and run it. It still hangs. Where does it store the nntp address that you give it? Any help is appreciated. Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: What to do with a cube with no monitor Message-ID: <1993Aug29.190039.14508@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 19:00:39 GMT In article <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: > We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous > price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to > use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My > turboslab is kind of reluctant to function without a monitor. Is this the > same with cubes ? If we were to get hold of a monitor or three, does it > matter if the monitor was the old kind or the newer ? > Any help much appreciated, > > Kerry Guise You should be able to run the cubes headless, but its a little tricky. You need a way to emulate the power-on switch on the keyboard, but this can be done with a simple push-button switch and a db-15 connector. There's an incredibly overpriced product you can buy called UpStart ($150 for the aforementioned switch and a configuration script disguised as an app), or you can roll your own. I know there was discussion a while ago on the net about what needs to be done, but I don't have that stuff handy.... John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Israeli NeXTies? Date: 29 Aug 1993 21:52:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <25r8f5$rf3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Aug27.163931.6227@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >Yesterday I was talking up NeXT and NeXTSTEP to our Israeli visitor, when he >commented that he knew of no one in Israel who has one. Which led me to the >realization that I don't recall ever seeing an *.il address here on CSN. >Are there any Israeli NeXT users out there? If not, why not? (Ami tells me >that Silicon Graphics is making a very aggressive push at getting the Israeli >academic market.) Shmuli Browns, formerly with Hebrew U. in Jerusalem, has one of the few NeXTs. He is the founder and possibly only member of YIN, the NeXT User's Group in Israel. I talked with him by phone when I was in Israel working this summer, and know that he now works for one of the leading Windows software companies in Israel, called Kivun in Jerusalem. If anyone wants his work number, e-mail me and I can give it to you. He is probably inbetween e-mail availabilities, as his Hebrew U account was due to be deleted in Sept., and his company is 'working on' getting internet connectivity still. The day I called him, Dan Lavin was supposed to meet him for lunch, but I'm not sure if that ever happened. Shmuli told me at one point that he heard of a few NeXTs at Scitex in Ramat-Gan(/Herzliya?). -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! (longish) Date: 29 Aug 1993 21:44:47 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <25r80f$clc@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <25r18r$ar8@denwa.info.com> In article <25r18r$ar8@denwa.info.com> michael@denwa.info.com (Michael Gersten) writes: > On the other hand, after doing that, and restarting the window server, no > more memory is wired. So this implies three things: > 1. The kernel wires memory for its use, > 2. It does not release it back to the general pool afterwards in all cases, > 3. It does keep track of it for it's own re-use. > > Either that, or there's a lot more kernel utilities than just > > (34) % kl_util -s > SERVER: slip Loaded > SERVER: audio Loaded Here is the readout from my machine... monolith:2# kl_util -s SERVER: mididriver Allocated SERVER: midi Allocated SERVER: isdn Allocated SERVER: ipserv Allocated SERVER: NeXTdimension Loaded SERVER: slip Loaded SERVER: audio Loaded monolith:3# vm_stat Mach Virtual Memory Statistics: (page size of 8192 bytes) Pages free: 37. Pages active: 1056. Pages inactive: 599. Pages wired down: 239. "Translation faults": 97014. Pages copy-on-write: 16521. Pages zero filled: 19123. Pages reactivated: 33599. Pageins: 7019. Pageouts: 6673. Object cache: 7893 hits of 9438 lookups (83% hit rate) monolith:4# ps caugx | sort USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND mycroft 177 1.5 13.8 21.4M 2.20M ? S 23:56 WindowServer mycroft 184 0.0 0.6 2.09M 104K ? SW 0:00 appkitServer mycroft 186 0.4 13.3 5.31M 2.13M ? S 3:27 WM mycroft 187 0.0 4.4 4.63M 720K ? SW 0:00 Preferences mycroft 188 0.0 7.7 9.67M 1.23M ? S 0:32 Mail mycroft 237 0.0 1.5 2.34M 240K ? S 0:45 imageserver mycroft 283 0.0 1.1 1.63M 176K ? S 0:21 tail mycroft 327 0.0 7.2 4.89M 1.15M ? S 0:06 Edit mycroft 385 9.2 12.6 5.52M 2.02M ? S 2:42 NewsGrazer mycroft 386 0.0 17.4 8.32M 2.78M ? S N 0:23 Librarian mycroft 401 0.0 1.6 1.54M 264K p1 SW 0:00 csh root 0 0.0 12.0 20.3M 1.92M ? R N 215:00 kernel idle root 1 0.0 0.7 1.51M 112K ? SW 0:00 init root 2 0.0 0.8 1.53M 128K co S 0:01 mach_init root 3 0.0 2.4 4.81M 392K ? S 0:02 kern_loader root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? ?W< 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:02 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:02 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? SW 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? SW 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? SW< 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? U 3:09 <mach-task> root 55 0.0 0.9 1.44M 152K ? SW 0:00 syslogd root 59 0.0 1.4 6.56M 224K ? R N 0:06 nmserver root 63 0.0 0.8 1.43M 136K ? SW 0:00 portmap root 66 0.0 0.9 1.45M 144K ? SW 0:00 nibindd root 67 0.0 1.8 1.51M 288K ? SW 0:02 netinfod root 70 0.0 1.8 1.52M 288K ? S 0:02 lookupd root 78 0.0 0.3 1.51M 48K ? S 0:00 biod root 79 0.0 0.3 1.51M 48K ? S 0:00 biod root 80 0.0 0.3 1.51M 48K ? S 0:00 biod root 81 0.0 0.3 1.51M 48K ? S 0:00 biod root 94 0.0 0.6 1.44M 104K ? SW 0:00 inetd root 100 0.0 1.2 1.55M 200K ? SW 0:00 sendmail root 105 0.0 0.6 1.99M 104K ? SW 0:00 lpd root 114 0.0 0.3 1.48M 56K ? SW 0:00 lpd root 115 0.0 0.6 1.53M 104K ? SW 0:00 pbs root 128 0.0 1.1 3.51M 184K ? SWN 0:00 npd root 131 0.0 0.4 1.55M 72K co SW 0:00 tcldiald root 170 0.0 0.5 1.51M 80K ? S 0:05 update root 173 0.0 0.8 1.43M 128K ? S 0:01 cron root 178 0.0 3.4 3.66M 552K ? SW 0:02 loginwindow root 179 0.0 1.0 32.0M 168K ? S 0:35 NDserver root 182 0.0 2.3 1.66M 384K ? S 0:02 pbs root 185 0.0 7.9 5.22M 1.27M ? S N 0:08 Workspace root 211 0.0 1.6 1.55M 264K Ca S 0:01 tcldiald root 400 1.7 9.1 4.49M 1.46M ? S 0:04 Terminal root 408 0.5 2.1 1.54M 352K p1 S 0:00 csh root 417 7.5 3.9 1.90M 640K p1 R 0:00 ps root 418 1.0 0.9 1.37M 144K p1 R 0:00 sort After getting this info I opened a rather large gif into ImageViewer and now have this report... monolith:5# vm_stat Mach Virtual Memory Statistics: (page size of 8192 bytes) Pages free: 50. Pages active: 1051. Pages inactive: 584. Pages wired down: 246. "Translation faults": 101643. Pages copy-on-write: 17277. Pages zero filled: 19958. Pages reactivated: 35379. Pageins: 7570. Pageouts: 7079. Object cache: 8080 hits of 9635 lookups (83% hit rate) By the way, is there anything I can disable to get some of my resources back? I don't need the MIDI driver or the ISDN driver and I am sure there are some other things happening here I could go without. Thanks and I hope this is useful. By the way, my machine is an '040 cube NeXTdimension 16/16/660. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP is a memory HOG! Message-ID: <CCJMHC.JCq@world.std.com> Keywords: NESTSTEP MEMORY HOG DISK SPACE Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <25hf6t$qnj@denwa.info.com> <Aug26.174409.41065@acs.ucalgary.ca> <25r18r$ar8@denwa.info.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 22:58:23 GMT In article <25r18r$ar8@denwa.info.com> michael@denwa.info.com (Michael Gersten) writes: In article <Aug26.174409.41065@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake St one) writes: >>I am aware of NO wired memory leaks that force you to reboot your >*NOT* true. I don't have to start any more applications, or load any more >kernel servers, or anything, and I still climb. There is nothing special about applications or kernel servers, any process may cause more wired memory to be allocated. Run this: main() { int i,p; for(i=0;i<5000;i++) port_allocate(task_self(),&p); } Be sure to vm_stat before, vm_stat after. Rerun repeatedly, and vm_stat after those. Port's are kernel objects which can consume wired memory, same with tasks, threads, files, etc etc. blah blah. >1. The kernel wires memory for its use, >2. It does not release it back to the general pool afterwards in all cases, >3. It does keep track of it for it's own re-use. This is exactly what's happening, whether it is a good algorithm is an entirely different subject - although I'm quite sure the NeXT kernel people know what they are doing... >I don't know where the leak is. I do know that it is there. See above, this not a leak. Your extrapolation of vm_stat information to a serious kernel programming error that reflects badly on NeXT is a little hasty and uninformed. For all you know, it could have been a bug in vm_stat.... shrug, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: NEXTSTEP Monk ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.text,comp.sys.next.misc From: jorgy@euclid.Colorado.EDU (Eric R Jorgensen) Subject: Mac type1 postscript fonts with UNIX (groff) Message-ID: <1993Aug29.224336.4565@colorado.edu> Originator: jorgy@euclid.Colorado.EDU Sender: news@colorado.edu (The Daily Planet) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 22:43:36 GMT Hello, I'm trying to get some macintosh type1 fonts going with groff. I know that this is possible, since someone was able to convert these fonts for use with NeXT machines. Any pointers (via email, prefferably), would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, jorgy -- Eric R. Jorgensen internet: jorgy@Colorado.EDU University of Colorado, Boulder uucp: ...!{ncar|nbires}!boulder!jorgy bitnet: jorgy@colorado.BITNET "Women. Can't live with 'em, pass the beer nuts." -- Norm on Cheers
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do with a cube with no monitor Date: 29 Aug 1993 23:03:54 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <25rckq$1ea@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Aug29.190039.14508@relief.com> In article <1993Aug29.190039.14508@relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: > In article <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz > (Kerry Guise) writes: > > We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous > > price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to > > use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My > > turboslab is kind of reluctant to function without a monitor. Is this the > > same with cubes ? If we were to get hold of a monitor or three, does it > > matter if the monitor was the old kind or the newer ? > > Any help much appreciated, > > > > Kerry Guise > > You should be able to run the cubes headless, but its a little tricky. You > need a way to emulate the power-on switch on the keyboard, but this can be > done with a simple push-button switch and a db-15 connector. There's an > incredibly overpriced product you can buy called UpStart ($150 for the > aforementioned switch and a configuration script disguised as an app), or you > can roll your own. I know there was discussion a while ago on the net about > what needs to be done, but I don't have that stuff handy.... > > John I've been mulling over various cool things one could do with NeXT parts. Like, I'd like to get a 2nd Cube in order to get the monitor, drives, RAM and so forth for my NeXTdimension system. It occurred to me that with much hacking one could turn the leftover Cube into a RenderMonster by putting 4 motherboards into it. Wonder how you could access the DSP?... Daydreaming, Steve Weintz
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do with a cube with no monitor Date: 30 Aug 1993 00:50:33 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <25rispINNq4@clem.handheld.com> References: <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> In article <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: > We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous > price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to > use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My > turboslab is kind of reluctant to function without a monitor. Is this the > same with cubes ? If we were to get hold of a monitor or three, does it > matter if the monitor was the old kind or the newer ? > Any help much appreciated, To get it to be a print server, you will probably need a sound box, to fool the OS into thinking the display is there, so it can run the postscript engine. Otherwise, it is simple to get either a slab or cube to run without a console, at the rom monitor, under "p", say yes to serial "A" as alternate console, and in /etc/ttys, uncomment the commented out console line, and comment out the uncommented one. This starts the NeXT as a simple UNIX box, without the display postscript system running. Hang a simple vt-100 terminal on port "A", or just login over ethernet. > > Kerry Guise Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer hanging Message-ID: <1993Aug30.001156.14859@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <CCJEuo.q3@news.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 00:11:56 GMT In article <CCJEuo.q3@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) writes: > I entered my nntp server name wrong and now I can't even remove NewsGrazer, > get a new one, and run it. It still hangs. Where does it store the > nntp address that you give it? Any help is appreciated. > > Brian > sela@iastate.edu I'm pretty sure it's stored in the defaults database. Try `dread -o NewsGrazer` in Terminal...... -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Booting from 3.0 CD-ROM Message-ID: <19693@news.duke.edu> Date: 30 Aug 93 03:05:19 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu I'm sure this has been already discussed, but was I mistaken when I heard that one could boot up a system from the CD-ROM? Was it something that can be done with 3.1 which couldn't with the 3.0 CD? Thanks in advance. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Booting from 3.0 CD-ROM Date: 30 Aug 1993 04:55:23 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <25s17r$n84@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <19693@news.duke.edu> In article <19693@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: > I'm sure this has been already discussed, but was I mistaken when I > heard that one could boot up a system from the CD-ROM? Was it something > that can be done with 3.1 which couldn't with the 3.0 CD? Thanks in > advance. You can boot from the 3.0 CD-ROM. If you set the SCSI ID of the CD-ROM drive to zero and start the machine with the CD inserted it will boot from the CD and present you with the option to build a 3.0 hard disk. It will be a complete rebuild though, not an upgrade. If you do the <control><control><`> trick right after "Testing System" to boot in verbose mode it will also give you the same option. It is possible to boot the CD in single user mode by entering b -s at the NeXT> prompt in the ROM Monitor. Of course there will be some things you cannot do since your root device is write protected (but if you are familiar with boot options you could specify /tmp and swap directories on some other, writable volume). -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Multiple Architecture NeXTSTEP User NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
From: David.Wallin@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Wallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEWSGRAZER WITH DIFFERENT PORT. Message-ID: <5786.2C8113B9@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 28 Aug 93 21:03:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- David Wallin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Wallin@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Aug30.103500.15127@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <1993Aug22.080156.2791@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CC7IJ4.1zt@zoodle.robin.de> <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CCBp2u.GF8@bernina.ethz.ch> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 10:35:00 GMT marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) writes: >In article <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: >>My experience is that even if the DOS disk has a LABEL(name), it still >>appears with /no_name in NeXTstep. Using the floppy-label as directory >>name is logical for me too. But most often, it doesn't work. Am I the >>only one with this experience. >DOS disks can (and do) have two kinds of labels at different >positions: one in the boot sector, and one in the root directory. DOS >normally uses the one in the root directory, but NS mounts it using >the name in the boot sector (which is mostly not what you want, but >it's at a constant location on the disk which simplifies the process). Do you know how you can change that 'boot sector' label? Willem schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Aug30.103819.15313@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CCDFu9.AHn@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 10:38:19 GMT muda@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (muda) writes: >My experience is show up something like 3DJ@#!/Kl as LABEL!! Not only once but >lots! (note. No matter what I have for label, I always get something like like >that.) I did some more experiments last weekend: - when you enter a label after formatting the diskette, NS (3.0) mounts the floppy with /no_name (the same after using the label-command) - when you don't enter a label-name NS mounts with /boeder Strange 8-) Willem
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism,talk.origins From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) Subject: EEK the virus lives! Message-ID: <CCKn54.Jsr@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 12:10:15 GMT In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com>, Sean Church <schurch@pages.com> spreads a mind virus: [unimportant part of viral DNA deleted] >Helping a seven year old > >Craig Shergold is seven years old, suffering from terminal cancer. It is >his ambition to be included in the Guiness Book of Records for the largest >number of business cards ever collected by one person. > >Craig would be grateful if you would send one of your business cards to the >address below as well as sending his request to as many other companies as >you can. > >Craig Shergold >c/o Children's Make a Wish Foundation >32 Perimeter Centre East >Atlanta >Georgia >USA 30346 Well for all you creationists heres an example of evolution in action. This "virus" has been around on BBS's for as long as I can remember, I've heard rumors that at one point it was even a real message :-) But over time it took on a life of its own and has been mutating. Like religions if enough potential victims lack immunity for it it will eventually evolve into more virulent forms, and will completely clog the world wide postal services :-) -- ------ Time: 820713600 seconds, Space: 1727.2mm, Mass: 9.5E10 ug . \ / Kinsey: 4.5, Religion: Science, Energy: 8.55E18, OS: Linux . . \ / Species: Human, Planet: Earth, Fame: Tinymush, Allergy: Dustmite . . . \/ Purity: 40, Sex: male, frequent, Drugs: Caffeine, Rock & roll: . . . .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old << DON'T DO IT!!! Message-ID: <CCKn7A.K0L@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> <1993Aug25.191437.1384@pages.com> <25j54s$sl5@inews.intel.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 12:11:34 GMT In article <25j54s$sl5@inews.intel.com>, Dennis Marer <dmarer@td2cad.intel.com> wrote: >In article <1993Aug25.191437.1384@pages.com> schurch@pages.com writes: >>In article <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> schurch@pages.com (Sean Church) >>writes: >>< a whole bunch of stuff deleted> >> >>So, I just posted this out, and a co-worker tells me that this is several years >>old, and no longer valid. > >SEVERAL years old. Craig is nearly 12, and has inoperable brain tumor has >been operated on and he's doing fine...except for the MILLIONS of cards, etc >he receives. Don't send any!!! > >Recent columns in Ann Landers give the same message - don't send any more! Has he broken the worlds record yet :-) -- ------ Time: 820713600 seconds, Space: 1727.2mm, Mass: 9.5E10 ug . \ / Kinsey: 4.5, Religion: Science, Energy: 8.55E18, OS: Linux . . \ / Species: Human, Planet: Earth, Fame: Tinymush, Allergy: Dustmite . . . \/ Purity: 40, Sex: male, frequent, Drugs: Caffeine, Rock & roll: . . . .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jay@jana.com (Jay Jana) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING STILL AROUND ?? References: <258tec$p7m@turin.research.otc.com.au> Organization: JANA Publishing (Bi-Monthly Linux CDROM's) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 22:49:16 GMT Message-ID: <1993Aug29.224916.525@jana.com> Michael Lofquist (michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au) wrote: : Hi, : does anybody know if Jana Publishing is still around : and are still publishing their by monthly CD ROM with : NeXT software etc. I received the first copy, I think : is was april - maj, paid them and then nothing !! : An email address or fax number would help . Hi, We are alive and well, I did not make JUL-AUG issue disk since there were not much software for the NeXT during the summer, I did not want to put a disk out with about 25MB of software. Watch for the Sep - Oct disk which will be out very soon ( less then 3 weeks ). If you have paid for a one year (6 disks ) subscription, don't worry you will get 6 CD's even if we are going to publishe only 5 disk this year Thanks Jay : Thanks : -- : -------------------------------------------- : Michael Lofquist : SIRIUS Object Oriented Technologies Pty Lty : P.O Box 408, North Sydney, 2059 NSW Australia : Phone: + 61 (0) 18 619 502 : Fax: + 61 (0) 2 9222 353 : Email: michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au : michaell@research.otc.com.au : -------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************************* Jay JANA Publishing jay@jana.com *******************************************************************************
From: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <19687@news.duke.edu> Message-ID: <19699@news.duke.edu> Date: 30 Aug 93 10:12:03 GMT References: <19687@news.duke.edu> Control: cancel <19687@news.duke.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu <19687@news.duke.edu> was cancelled from within rn. -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism From: rbk@icbl.hw.ac.uk (Richard Kirby) Subject: Re: Helping a seven year old << DON'T DO IT!!! Message-ID: <1993Aug30.144757.29139@cee.hw.ac.uk> Sender: news@cee.hw.ac.uk (News Administrator) Organization: Institute for Computer Based Learning References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> <1993Aug25.191437.1384@pages.com> <25j54s$sl5@inews.intel.com> <CCKn7A.K0L@world.std.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 14:47:57 GMT |> Has he broken the worlds record yet :-) So much so that the Guiness Book of Records will no longer accept this sort of entry. R.
From: walsh@cs.umass.edu (Norman Walsh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.text,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac type1 postscript fonts with UNIX (groff) Date: 30 Aug 93 11:22:48 Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst) Message-ID: <WALSH.93Aug30112248@rhea.cs.umass.edu> References: <1993Aug29.224336.4565@colorado.edu> In-reply-to: jorgy@euclid.Colorado.EDU's message of Sun, 29 Aug 1993 22:43:36 GMT |> I'm trying to get some macintosh type1 fonts going with groff. I know |> that this is possible, since someone was able to convert these fonts |> for use with NeXT machines. |> |> Any pointers (via email, prefferably), would be appreciated. You can get my MacFont program from ibis.cs.umass.edu:/pub/norm/mac-font-tools or from ftp.shsu.edu:/tex-archive/font/utilities/macfont. A summary follows: README for MacFont 1.1 20 Aug 1993 MacFont converts Macintosh Type 1 fonts into standard ASCII format. In order to use MacFont, you must transfer the `resource forks' of the Macintosh font onto your PC or workstation. This can generally be accomplished by archiving the font on the Macintosh and extracting the archive with `macunpack' or a similar non-Mac tool on your workstation. MacFont creates PFA files from the `POST' resource and AFM files from the FOND resource(s). It can also create BDF files from the NFNT resource(s). The AFM and BDF files will be named appropriately based upon the font name extracted from the FOND resource. If your file system cannot create long names, use the `-s' option to name the AFM files sequentially and the BDF files with short names. The PFA file name must be specified with the -p option. Note: the FontName, FontFullName, and FamilyName in the AFM file may not match the corresponding lines in the PFA file. You should edit one or the other to make them the same. Please report any problems that you have to Norman Walsh <walsh@cs.umass.edu>. Be seeing you... norm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) Subject: Re: What to do with a cube with no monitor Message-ID: <1993Aug30.143359.13352@next.cambridge.ma.us> Sender: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us Organization: NeXTWORLD Magazine References: <1993Aug29.190039.14508@relief.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 14:33:59 GMT In article <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz Kerry Guise) writes: > We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous > price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to > use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My > turboslab is kind of reluctant to function without a monitor. Is this the > same with cubes ? If we were to get hold of a monitor or three, does it > matter if the monitor was the old kind or the newer ? > Any help much appreciated, > > Kerry Guise I recommend burning extra cubes. If anybody wants, I can post directions. -Simson -- ................................................................simson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Christian Limpach) Subject: Re: For the record: another 3.1 manpage glitch Message-ID: <CCKz3z.9r@arkin> Originator: chris@nice Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: welcome to nowhere... References: <25j43c$d4h@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 16:28:47 GMT Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) wrote: > foxtrot> man move > Reformatting page. Wait... > /usr/man/man3/plot.3x: line 1: Can't open file > tbl quits > done > foxtrot> more /usr/man/man3/plot.3x > /usr/man/man3/plot.3x: No such file or directory > foxtrot> cat /usr/man/man3/move.3x > .so man3/plot.3x > foxtrot> man plot this happened also with 3.0... christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: boldification Message-ID: <1993Aug30.183247.18858@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Aug29.114425.4917@ToTSySSoft.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 18:32:47 GMT Mark Adler writes > Is there a way to "boldify" a font that doesn't have an explicit > bold or demi version? I know that on a Mac I can get a bold Zapf > Chancery, even though there really isn't a design for it. Bruce Gingery writes > You can ``overprint'' with a slight offset up-left or up-right. > The actual PostScript code to do this could be quite complex, > taking into account the ``screen'', or simple, merely defining > a secondary ``show'' operator which accepts a string and a > position, does the first show, a grestore, an rmove (of, say > -.33 .33 (point), and another show. This is meant as a direction, > not a complete solution. A second way is to set a linewidth and > both stroke and fill the type-set strings. > Neither of these will give you a true boldface, just as an > ``Oblique'' font is not necessarily an ``Italic''. Note that "artificial emboldening" is gross, sick, and should be avoided if at all possible :-) The fonts the Mac produces aren't "true" boldface either, but rely on the same offset printing hack. ATM on the Mac uses a "cross style" artifical emboldening method. That is, a copy of the character is smeared to (-x,-y), (x, -y), (x, y), and (-x, y) from the intended origin. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: athos@world.std.com (Rick Eames) Subject: Academic Pricing? Message-ID: <CCLE04.D3r@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 21:50:27 GMT Hi, So I called 1-800-TRY-NEXT to find out about academic pricing only to be told: go to your bookstore. Well, that's all find and good, but what if your bookstore doesn't carry it? How much is the developer/user package for students and is it upgradeable? Rick Eames
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic Pricing? Date: 30 Aug 1993 22:07:34 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <25ttn6$t3f@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <CCLE04.D3r@world.std.com> In article <CCLE04.D3r@world.std.com> athos@world.std.com (Rick Eames) writes: > Hi, > > So I called 1-800-TRY-NEXT to find out about academic pricing only to be told: > go to your bookstore. Well, that's all find and good, but what if your > bookstore doesn't carry it? > > How much is the developer/user package for students and is it upgradeable? > > Rick Eames -- NASCORP, NeXT's chosen distributorfor NSI Academic bundle. The part number for the NSI Academic bundle is 9301023296. The cost is $249 which include User and Developer CD-ROMS. NSI Academic bundle includes a free upgrade to NS3.2 Odds are your university bookstore already has an account with this company. You should be able to go to the bookstore and Just Order. If you want to find out if indeed your school has an accout with NASCORP, their phone number is 800-321-3883. --- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu
From: karuzis@wccf.mit.edu (GLENN HOLM) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: changed behaviour DOS floppies between NS2.1 and 3.0 Date: 30 Aug 1993 18:58 EST Organization: MIT - Whitaker College Distribution: world Message-ID: <30AUG199318585671@wccf.mit.edu> References: <1993Aug25.064533.22433@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CCDFu9.AHn@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> <1993Aug30.103819.15313@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Aug30.103819.15313@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>, schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes... >muda@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (muda) writes: >- when you enter a label after formatting the diskette, NS (3.0) mounts > the floppy with /no_name (the same after using the label-command) >- when you don't enter a label-name NS mounts with /boeder >Willem but diskettes formatted on a DOS machine mount correctly under the label you specified at format time. i remember having trouble when i tried changing that name under NS. ------------------------------------------------------------------ |Glenn Holm Internet:karuzis@wccf.mit.edu| |M.I.T Dept. of Brain + Cog. Sci. This VAX doesn't do NeXTmail | |Cambridge, MA 02139 "Real Neuroscientists don't do gels!" | ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Colors in Terminal.app? Message-ID: <jhough.746750579@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 22:42:59 GMT Can someone tell me how to reverse the colors in Terminal.app from black on white to white on black? Thanks.... -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: nils@daisy.flens.toppoint.de Subject: Help: WEITEK P9000 (Diamond Viper) Driver for NS486 wanted ! Message-ID: <1993Aug30.200919.389@daisy.flens.toppoint.de> Sender: nils@daisy.flens.toppoint.de Date: Mon, 30 Aug 93 20:09:19 GMT Hi, NeXT folks ! I bought a Diamond Viper 2 VLB Graphics Card with the WEITEK P 9000 Graphics Controller (like the Orchid P9000). Recently, there was a posting about P9000 Drivers beeing developed for NSfIP, and I wonder if I already can get my Hands on a ( Alpha, Beta, ..) Version of this Driver, because I hate 640 x 480 Resolution !!! Thanx for any Advices : Nils Heidorn ! ( By the way: Does anybody know, what will be new in 3.2 ??? ) -- -- Nils Heidorn nils@daisy.flens.toppoint.de Muehlenstrasse 21b 24937 Flensburg 0461 / 55049 ( am Wochenende 04674 / 1477 )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: NewsGrazer with ISO Latin 1 charset? Message-ID: <CCKL01.139@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 11:24:00 GMT Is there a version of NewsGrazer that can cope with European special chars, especially with the ISO Latin 1 encoding? Don't tell me to use NewsGrazer format, noone else can read this... Thanks, Uli
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 17:55:56 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-300893175557@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> <1993Aug26.174731.7535@drefla.mese.com> Given the way that cable companies approach technology (from crappy decoder boxes to absolutely shoddy cable installation at the home) I'm not looking forward to anything reliable out of this deal. I commend their efforts, but I don't think the cable companies have any clue about what they are really getting into. The good news, IMHO, is that this announcement, whether it is successfully deployed or not, will kick the phone companies in the rear to provide more comprehensive services, and maybe follow through with ISDN at a better pace. The asymetric data flow idea may seem clever at first, but it is not the long term solution. I think only the phone companies can provide that. As Charles Perkins once said, "What can I say? I'm a Ma Bell kinda guy!" -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: pitakc@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Pitak Chenkosol) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic Pricing? Date: 30 Aug 1993 18:32:27 -0700 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <25u9nb$dmt@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> References: <CCLE04.D3r@world.std.com> <25ttn6$t3f@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> writes: >In article <CCLE04.D3r@world.std.com> athos@world.std.com (Rick Eames) writes: >> Hi, >> >> So I called 1-800-TRY-NEXT to find out about academic pricing only to be told: >> go to your bookstore. Well, that's all find and good, but what if your >> bookstore doesn't carry it? >> >> How much is the developer/user package for students and is it upgradeable? >> >> Rick Eames >-- >NASCORP, NeXT's chosen distributorfor NSI Academic bundle. >The part number for the NSI Academic bundle is 9301023296. >The cost is $249 which include User and Developer CD-ROMS. >NSI Academic bundle includes a free upgrade to NS3.2 >Odds are your university bookstore already has an account with >this company. You should be able to go to the bookstore and Just Order. Yes, our university bookstore here has an account with NASCORP but ...... "THEY CAN SELL IN WHATEVER PRICE THEY WANT ". That's the answer that I got after talking to the person who in charge of ordering softwares for the store. The price that he told me is $275 which is ~ $25 more than quoted above. Does this mean that there is no control of the student's retail price or it is the store's way of making more profit ? In order to get a special price on the software, some schools require that the person must be a student there. If you know of any place that doesn't have this requirement, please let me know. Sincerely, Pitak >If you want to find out if indeed your school has an accout with >NASCORP, their phone number is 800-321-3883. >--- >Tim Pugh >College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences >Oregon State University >tpugh@oce.orst.edu
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: EEK the virus lives! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.personals,alt.activism,talk.origins Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 18:48:57 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-300893184857@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Aug25.173745.1257@pages.com> <CCKn54.Jsr@world.std.com> In article <CCKn54.Jsr@world.std.com>, entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) wrote: > > Well for all you creationists heres an example of evolution > in action. This "virus" has been around on BBS's for as long > as I can remember, I've heard rumors that at one point it was > even a real message :-) > > But over time it took on a life of its own and has been mutating. > Like religions if enough potential victims lack immunity for it > it will eventually evolve into more virulent forms, and will > completely clog the world wide postal services :-) It is already doing a pretty good job clogging the world wide email services! -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Running Out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 03:32:16 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'm running 3.1 on black 040. I think that over the years here I have established a reputation for moderation and being temperate about all the little things that happen with NeXT and its operating system. Right? Right! Well, lemma tell ya, I am goddamn FUCKING bored to shit with running out of processes in an hour or two of using my computer. I have *work* to do here, and the current OS is a real piece of crap. Who the fuck wants to log out and log in twenty times a goddamn day? Thank you very much, but I do *not* feel better now. I would like to know when this is going to be fixed, and if it's not soon, I'm going to be permanently pissed off. I have never seen such a fuck-up company as these folks, and it's beginning to gripe my ass, big-time. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--------> He who flames improperly risks making an ash of himself! <---------]
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help: WEITEK P9000 (Diamond Viper) Driver for NS486 wanted ! Date: 31 Aug 1993 04:15:20 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <25uj8o$7ll@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Aug30.200919.389@daisy.flens.toppoint.de> In article <1993Aug30.200919.389@daisy.flens.toppoint.de> nils@daisy.flens.toppoint.de writes: > >Hi, NeXT folks ! > >I bought a Diamond Viper 2 VLB Graphics Card with the WEITEK P 9000 >Graphics Controller (like the Orchid P9000). > >Recently, there was a posting about P9000 Drivers beeing developed >for NSfIP, and I wonder if I already can get my Hands on a ( Alpha, Beta, >..) Version of this Driver, because I hate 640 x 480 Resolution !!! > >Thanx for any Advices : Nils Heidorn ! > >( By the way: Does anybody know, what will be new in 3.2 ??? ) > > I am also very interested in knowing about this, since I am on the verge of buying a 486 system to run NeXTstep. I have heard that support for the Diamond Viper will be available for 3.2, but no information as to the resolution/speed or availability. If anybody has more information, please post! Varun
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 05:44:57 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > Well, lemma tell ya, I am goddamn FUCKING bored to shit with > running out of processes in an hour or two of using my > computer. I have *work* to do here, and the current OS is a > real piece of crap. Who the fuck wants to log out and log > in twenty times a goddamn day? What is it that you do in a given day that uses so many processes? I like to think I'm a busy guy, I run maybe a dozen or so apps in a given day, many of them concurrently, plus quite a number of background tasks and so forth and I'm only up to 65 processes (12 of them mach-tasks). -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu NeXTcube #1302 / ND and proud of it. NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 08:14:32 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: >What is it that you do in a given day that uses so many processes? I like to >think I'm a busy guy, I run maybe a dozen or so apps in a given day, many of >them concurrently, plus quite a number of background tasks and so forth and >I'm only up to 65 processes (12 of them mach-tasks). I can't talk for Jess Anderson, but I can talk for myself. I'm just a "Joe" user. I don't even write programs on my NeXT. Initially, the running out of processes thing seemed unlikely in my case. Funny thing happened the other day. I RAN OUT OF PROCESSES!!! What was running? Just Preferences, Terminal, Edit, Preview, Backspace, NXFaxMonitor, kermit and a few terminal shells. Not than many processes IMHO. Summary: Even average users can run out of processes. RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines, Keeper of the ZyXEL modem FAQ, University of British Columbia NeXT Users Group Leader and collector of titles.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP!! GATEWAY 2000 66V From: damon.cooper@canrem.com (Damon Cooper) Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.26843.4902.0N1829DF@canrem.com> References: <harrywan.18.0@symantec.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 00:17:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) HELP!! I'd like to hear from anybody running NSI on an "August-or-later" GATEWAY 2000 DX2-66V. I'm considering a GATEWAY 2000 DX2-66V to run NSI. However, the latest HW Compatibility Guide I've seen (Aug 10) lists this machine with an ATI Ultra Graphics Pro card, which now has been changed ("August-or-later") to an ATI Ultra XLR (still 68800) card. NeXT tech support wasn't sure if the 68800 driver would crank the XLR, but said an ATI graphics "update" to the Guide was due out the end of the month. GATEWAY said (paraphrased) "You want to run next-WHAT??" (They're in the Guide...go figure...?) I also understand the CD-ROM drive *MUST* be connected to a SCSI card
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: SVGA Message-ID: <1993Aug31.075308.2677@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 07:53:08 GMT Does anyone know exactly which SVGA card is supported with 1024x768 in 2 bit greyscale? I need toi know enough so I can write an order for it, ie things like "some ET4000-based cards" (as in the compat. list) don't suffice. I'm so glad I finally convinced my boss to give me NS/FIP in the office, and now I'll have to demo it to him in 640x480 mode. Aaarrrggghh! Help! Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 11:17:32 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25vc0c$c9g@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, Robert Wong <wrob@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote: >In article <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: >>What is it that you do in a given day that uses so many >>processes? Make that a given hour or two. >Initially, the running out of processes thing seemed >unlikely in my case. One of the things that most concerns me is that I didn't start hitting this problem until about a month after I upgraded, during which time I don't think I've changed my routine operations. Yet something obviously *is* different. So far, I can't fathom what, unless it's that I now have ethernet connectivity (rather than modem) between the two machines. Both are 040 cubes. But I don't think that addresses my point in any useful way. It did not happen with 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0; it happens with 3.1. If you look at the 3.1 release notes, you'll find several other *extremely* odd things about this version. I just can't see why a maintenance release has not been made. For one thing, it's not like there were a lot of customers, a few tens of thousands at most. >Funny thing happened the other day. I RAN OUT OF >PROCESSES!!! What was running? Just Preferences, Terminal, >Edit, Preview, Backspace, NXFaxMonitor, kermit and a few >terminal shells. Not than many processes IMHO. At login time, I start four Stuart windows, two browsers, Preferences, AltDock, Backspace, and nothing else. In one of the Stuart windows, I am usually running a telnet to a remote machine. All this so far at home. At the office, there's one more Stuart window, running a second telnet to a different machine. I run out of processes often at home, I never have at the office. The hardware differences are that I have a CD-ROM drive and a scanner at home, no such peripherals at the office. But what I think is the culprit, maybe, is that at home, I often NFS mount my home directory of the office machine, moving things back and forth by drag-and-drop on the browsers, rather than the more cumbersome ftp method. One other difference is that at home I run a lot of shell scripts that run other shell scripts, inside of which awk scripts write awk scripts then run them, and so forth. It's really routine, fairly simple-minded stuff, and this process business is a large pain you know where. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---> I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. <----]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Aug31.113411.8745@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 11:34:11 GMT With 3.2 you'll be able to attach a coin slot to your computer, and insert 25 cents for another 15 processes. :-) :-) :-) Well, it would make a good DriverKit Example... -=EPS=-
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 12:41:31 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25vgtr$dmr@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> <1993Aug31.113411.8745@csus.edu> In article <1993Aug31.113411.8745@csus.edu>, Eric P. Scott <eps@cs.sfsu.edu> wrote: >With 3.2 you'll be able to attach a coin slot to your computer, >and insert 25 cents for another 15 processes. :-) :-) :-) >Well, it would make a good DriverKit Example... I'm sorry, Sir, but you were driving your kit too fast for conditions. We can't have that around here, can we? No, I'm afraid we'll have to penalize you 5 processes; remember, it's 15 for a second offense... -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--------> If people behaved like governments, you'd call the cops. <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: libby@homer.nosc.mil (Scott Libby) Subject: HELP - Microphone Pro install probs Message-ID: <1993Aug31.121443.6706@nrao.edu> Sender: news@nrao.edu Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 12:14:43 GMT Perhaps some one could help me here...being a relative newcomer to NeXT hardware in general and UNIX in particular I am having probs configuring Microphone Pro to work with my ColorStation...here's the deal hardware: NeXTColor Station with a ZyXEL 1496E modem s/w: Microphone Pro Essentially, here is what I did: 1. intalled MP as root as per directions...no probs encountered. 2. plugged in the modem cable from the modem to port A on the NeXT. 3. plugged in the phone cable from the modem (line) to wall phone jack. 4. rebooted 5. double clicked Microphone Pro...this brings up an untitled session window which is quickly covered with another window which says "could not open port 'dev/cua/' because of device busy". and that's about as far as I get...I tried going into the inspector and changing ports, changing drivers, whatever, and nothing seems to work...I never was able to get the modem to respond with 'OK' after I typed in AT. Can somebody give a newbie a hand? tks, scott
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable Company Planning To Connect To The Internet Date: 31 Aug 1993 14:04:22 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <25vlp6$d05@nic.umass.edu> References: <1993Aug25.152333.18991@afs.com> <1993Aug26.174731.7535@drefla.mese.com> <deluxe-300893175557@17.220.88.2> Don Hurter (deluxe@well.sf.ca.us) wrote: : I'm not looking : forward to anything reliable out of this deal. I commend their efforts, but : I don't think the cable companies have any clue about what they are really : getting into. Yea, it's tough to say. The cable companies aren't going it alone. When as much money as they think is at stake here is involved, they just may try to do whatever it takes. : The good news, IMHO, is that this announcement, whether it is successfully : deployed or not, will kick the phone companies in the rear to provide more : comprehensive services, and maybe follow through with ISDN at a better : pace. The asymetric data flow idea may seem clever at first, but it is not : the long term solution. I think only the phone companies can provide that. I love competition between two of my least favorite industries -- telephone, and cable. Only good can come out of that. I agree that the asymetric data flow idea is not going to be the long term solution; but who knows...replace all those one-way amplifiers and heck, maybe they can address that problem too. We'll see -- it's just getting started. It'll be a fun ride for sure though! Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Running out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 14:29:09 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <25vn7l$fci@news.doit.wisc.edu> Well, when the situation is irreparable (this one seems to be), the next best thing is a good tool. Here's my idea (I'm not competent to create this, but I know lots of people out there are): Ready? ProcMan! It's an icon sitting on the dock, looking remarkably like the video game (it should be ProcPerson, of course), and what it would do (chomp!) is show you a number, the number of processes remaining, updating itself (chomp!) as necessary. Much of my ire, in a practical sense, would be drained by knowing when I'm about to get the hit. Having it happen in the middle of some complicated script is really what fired me up last night. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----> If you can't stand up for something, you'll fall for anything. <------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@angst.com (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Aug31.133629.3292@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production References: <25vc0c$c9g@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 13:36:29 GMT In article <25vc0c$c9g@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > One of the things that most concerns me is that I didn't > start hitting this problem until about a month after I > upgraded, during which time I don't think I've changed my > routine operations. Yet something obviously *is* different. > So far, I can't fathom what, unless it's that I now have > ethernet connectivity (rather than modem) between the two > machines. Both are 040 cubes. I'm not sure if this fits your case or not, but I reported a "Running Out of Processes" bug to NeXT when I discovered it occurred repeatably for me after multiple drags of files (maybe 30 or 40) from Mail or Newsgrazer. I was told it's a problem with the Workspace leaking processes allotted to each user. You'll need to workaround it by logging out and in again, but they do say it's been fixed for 3.2. Hope this helps. -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: Help: WEITEK P9000 (Diamond Viper) Driver for NS486 wanted ! Message-ID: <1993Aug31.163721.17087@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <25uj8o$7ll@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 16:37:21 GMT In article <25uj8o$7ll@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) writes: > In article <1993Aug30.200919.389@daisy.flens.toppoint.de> nils@daisy.flens.toppoint.de writes: > > > >Hi, NeXT folks ! > > > >I bought a Diamond Viper 2 VLB Graphics Card with the WEITEK P 9000 > >Graphics Controller (like the Orchid P9000). > > > >Recently, there was a posting about P9000 Drivers beeing developed > >for NSfIP, and I wonder if I already can get my Hands on a ( Alpha, Beta, > >..) Version of this Driver, because I hate 640 x 480 Resolution !!! > > > >Thanx for any Advices : Nils Heidorn ! > > > >( By the way: Does anybody know, what will be new in 3.2 ??? ) > > > > > > I am also very interested in knowing about this, since I am on the verge > of buying a 486 system to run NeXTstep. I have heard that support for the > Diamond Viper will be available for 3.2, but no information as to the > resolution/speed or availability. > > If anybody has more information, please post! > > Varun > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have seen no announcement from NeXT that boards with the P9000, like the Diamond Viper, will be supported in 3.2. I believe someone posted a message saying that they saw such a card at NeXT, but this does not constitute an announcement on NeXT's part. There may very well be a driver for this card, from NeXT or someone else, for 3.2. I hope that there is. But please don't assume that there will be until NeXT announces it. Joe Pasqua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (I Stephenson) Subject: Re: Discrete-event simulation? Message-ID: <1993Aug31.112149.25847@ohm.york.ac.uk> Sender: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (D I Stephenson) Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK References: <1993Aug27.164203.6894@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:21:49 GMT In article <1993Aug27.164203.6894@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > Is there any software for NeXTSTEPa out there along these lines? If not, has > anyone written anything? > > -- > Dick Silbar (NeXTMail OK) > 505-667-5253 Check out Ents (from all good ftp sites). Its a DEVS package. I'd personally also recomend Cinc - the NeXT Creatures simulator, but that would be immodest... (ie I wrote it). It's sort of a CA/DEVS/Parallel OO hybrid. ftp from shiraz.ohm.york.ac.uk. (Any feedback on this VERY greatfully recieved). Ian Stephenson University of York England
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tboyd@milne.Mines.Colorado.EDU (Thomas M. Boyd) Subject: Video Output Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Message-ID: <1993Aug31.171944.50251@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 17:19:44 GMT Organization: Colorado School of Mines Keywords: Photo CD, Video Tape Howdy: I am running NeXTstep 3.1 on a 486, and using the Photoalbum application in the Demos directory to extract images from a Kodak Photo CD, convert them to TIFF format, and then input them into DRAW so that I can label them, etc. I am using the photo CD technology as a base for making short, informational video tapes to distribute to other schools, contributors, and sponsors. What hardware and software do I need to capture the video output from, preferably an application window, or alternatively from the screen? If it would make the problem easier, I could also do this work on a color NeXTstation. Thanks Tom Boyd Colorado School of Mines Department of Geophysics Golden, CO 80401 tboyd@slate.mines.colorado.edu
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented NeXTSTEP (was Re: Login Panel Tiffs) Date: 27 Aug 1993 23:47:26 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <25m6ee$2fj@rosie.next.com> References: <25ilfcINNojr@clem.handheld.com> In article <25ilfcINNojr@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > What is the purpose of the ScreenSaver.bundle inside of loginwindow.app? The > enclosed .nib has a nice looking control panel for a screensaver, but I cannot > seem to ever access it. > > > Any ideas? > The screensaver bundle is just that, the code that runs the screensaver that's part of the loginwindow in 3.1 and beyond. as for the nib, it's a bogus file left over from one of the many trial interfaces we went through for loginwindow under 3.1. Nothing uses it and you can ignore it. Somehow it slipped through the cracks and made it out into the release. I had forgotton about it until a few months ago when someone on the net pointed it out. Anyway, it's been removed from 3.2 to avoid confusion. later, Erik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes + random b.s. from a tired person Message-ID: <CCMxF5.5st@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 17:47:31 GMT In article <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: >In article <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: >>What is it that you do in a given day that uses so many processes? ... >I can't talk for Jess Anderson, but I can talk for myself. I'm just a "Joe" >user. I don't even write programs on my NeXT. > >Initially, the running out of processes thing seemed unlikely in my case. >Funny thing happened the other day. I RAN OUT OF PROCESSES!!! What >was running? Just Preferences, Terminal, Edit, Preview, Backspace, >NXFaxMonitor, kermit and a few terminal shells. Not than many processes >IMHO. > >Summary: Even average users can run out of processes. ... We, the net readers, still don't know what's causing you to run out of processes. This may seem like an intractable problem, since by the time you run out you have no way to start a new "ps" process, but there's a trick you can do. First off, always keep a terminal window around. Then when you run out of processes use the command: exec /bin/ps -ax and watch closely; ps will do its stuff but when it quits the window will go away. You can use Control-S to stop the output in the middle which should be sufficient to see whether what the cause is. It may be possible to set some sort of option in Terminal or Stuart so that it doesn't go away when ps dies, but it shouldn't be necessary. Feel free to play with the exec command right now, but just be aware that after the command is executed, your shell and the window that contains it are history. On a separate note, if you're new to playing around with Terminal and typing commands, try this sequence: mkdir play cd play touch foo chmod 0 foo more foo >& bar mv -f bar foo Now try to see what's in the file "foo" with the cat command or the more command (i.e. "cat foo" or "more foo"). Even though at the end of the sequence the permissions will ostensibly allow to see the contents of the file "foo" neither cat nor more will be as helpful as you might think. Don't worry. There's no need to call the system administrator to get rid of this mystery file. You can just delete it with "rm". I hope someone is amused by the above sequence. It's a little more complicated than typing "gotta light?" to the csh and some people don't find the behaviour as curious as others do, but when you're tired... --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: SVGA Message-ID: <CCn0Bx.E8C@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Aug31.075308.2677@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 18:50:18 GMT In <1993Aug31.075308.2677@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: >Does anyone know exactly which SVGA card is supported with 1024x768 in >2 bit greyscale? I need toi know enough so I can write an order for it, ie >things like "some ET4000-based cards" (as in the compat. list) don't suffice. >I'm so glad I finally convinced my boss to give me NS/FIP in the office, and >now I'll have to demo it to him in 640x480 mode. Aaarrrggghh! >Help! > Volker I used the Genoa 7900 series (AT Bus) on one of my machines. It worked in 1024 X 768 2bit. This card was pretty cheap - $99. If you need any additional info on their cards here is their address and phone #: Genoa Systems Corp. Technical Support Department 75 East Trimble Road San Jose, CA 95131 (408) 432-9123 (408) 434-0997 (FAX) I hope that helps you. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -G.Kawasaki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software From: skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) Subject: Taylor UUCP Message-ID: <1993Aug31.173148.17043@rtsg.mot.com> Keywords: UUCP Sender: news@rtsg.mot.com Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 17:31:48 GMT From the documentation that comes with it, it is apparent that Taylor UUCP has been compiled successfully under NeXTstep. Unfortunately, I have not been able to figure out what the magic incantation is to make this so. I feel like I'm playing a game of gopher-bash, where I hit one problem over the head and another pops up. Any suggestions as to what the conf.h, policy.h and other configuration files should look like? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Brad -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brad Skrbec | "For it is the doom of men that they forget." | | Motorola Cellular | -- Merlin | | Arlington Heights, IL | Internet: skrbec@rtsg.mot.com | | | Home: brad@darby.chi.il.us | ------------------------------- NeXTMail Gladly Accepted ------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wbeeck@dart.de (Wilfried Beeck) Subject: Re: Video Output Message-ID: <1993Aug31.210314.587@dart.de> Sender: wbeeck@dart.de Organization: d'ART Computersysteme GmbH References: <1993Aug31.171944.50251@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 21:03:14 GMT In article <1993Aug31.171944.50251@slate.mines.colorado.edu> tboyd@milne.Mines.Colorado.EDU (Thomas M. Boyd) writes: > I am running NeXTstep 3.1 on a 486, and using the Photoalbum > application in the Demos directory to extract images from a Kodak Photo > CD, convert them to TIFF format, and then input them into DRAW so that I > can label them, etc. I am using the photo CD technology as a base for > making short, informational video tapes to distribute to other schools, > contributors, and sponsors. > What hardware and software do I need to capture the video output > from, preferably an application window, or alternatively from the screen? > If it would make the problem easier, I could also do this work on a color > NeXTstation. Not exactly a solution to your problem. But I thought you would be interested in this too: We are selling a product called Screen Machine II for NEXTSTEP. It is a high quality video framegrabber board for NEXTSTEP PCs, which allows you to capture video frames from any video source, like VCRs, video cameras or still video. Screen Machine can also capture small video sequences and comes with software for playback. It doesn't include video out though. If you want to output video, you can do that with a NeXTcube and a NeXTdimension board. Wilfried Beeck d'ART Software GmbH Virchowstr. 17-19 22767 Hamburg Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <mdixon.746832193@thelonius> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox PARC References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: 31 Aug 93 21:23:13 GMT i don't know what's causing your problem, but it's a pretty safe guess that it isn't simply "too many processes". i always run half a dozen stuart windows (half with permanent rlogins), kperfmon, edit, preferences, frame, webster, mailmanager, and notebook, and often virtuoso and a couple of other apps. i've got a cd-rom drive, a pli floppy (this is an old 040 cube), and a (very heavily used) ethernet connection. there are currently 74 processes running. i've never run out of processes (it's currently three weeks since i last rebooted). conclusion: something else is causing your problem. i never run backspace, mail.app, newsgrazer, or altdock. have you tried living without backspace & altdock to see if the problem goes away? .mike.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 31 Aug 1993 21:47:04 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <260gso$p5o@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <mdixon.746832193@thelonius> In article <mdixon.746832193@thelonius>, Mike Dixon <mdixon@parc.xerox.com> wrote: >i don't know what's causing your problem, but it's a pretty safe guess >that it isn't simply "too many processes". i always run half a dozen >stuart windows (half with permanent rlogins), kperfmon, edit, >preferences, frame, webster, mailmanager, and notebook, and often >virtuoso and a couple of other apps. i've got a cd-rom drive, a pli >floppy (this is an old 040 cube), and a (very heavily used) ethernet >connection. there are currently 74 processes running. i've never run >out of processes (it's currently three weeks since i last rebooted). >conclusion: something else is causing your problem. You don't say: are you running 3.1? >i never run backspace, mail.app, newsgrazer, or altdock. have you tried >living without backspace & altdock to see if the problem goes away? I never run Newsgrazer, I only very rarely run Mail.app (just to send a binary to someone now and then). I suppose Backspace (NeXT supplied it, remember, as of 3.1) or AltDock could be the problem, though after all, I did run those applications under 3.0 with absolutely no problem, and it's *this* change that is at issue, not what *I* do. I really think it's the NFS/WM interaction that's doing me in. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----------> Is life an illusion? Or does it just seem that way? <-----------]
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reviving Optical Disk Date: 31 Aug 1993 14:57:02 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: sweet@skat.usc.edu Message-ID: <260hfe$t2g@skat.usc.edu> Keywords: OD, crash The worst of fates has befallen me. My Optical Disk, with about 200 meg worth of technical data, USENET memorobilia, and personal data has gone way south. The window comes up with the "Optical Disk `foo' is damaged" message with the IGNORE, INITIALIZE, or REPAIR buttons. If I choose to "Repair" it tries for a short while and then ejects the disk with a popup message: "Error while repairing disk: unable to fsck disk." One of our local NeXT wizards ran "fsck" in single-user mode for three hours trying to revive this disk, but no luck. Are there any utilities/applications that might be able to retrieve at least some of the info from this disk? Most of it is text data, so any CRC errors would be negligible. As much as I deserve worse, please attempt to refrain from asking "Didn't you have a backup?" Yes, as a matter of fact I do feel stupid. Thanks for any and all help. Rob Sweet sweet@skat.usc.edu "If the first step in a long journey is the most difficult, what is the NeXTStep?" - RS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Playing card TIFFs? Message-ID: <DEAN.93Aug31175603@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 22:56:03 GMT Hi, I'm no artist, so I'm looking for a set of 52 card faces for creating family card games for my kids (concentration, solataire, etc). Any clues where to look. A Mac user offered me a set in .PICT format, but I can't see any native NeXTy way to convert them. Thanks in advance. -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help needed with setting up uucp news feed Message-ID: <CCLvHw.H8s@latcs1.lat.oz.au> From: nicolek@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 04:08:20 GMT Sender: news@latcs1.lat.oz.au (news) Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia Keywords: uucp, news, setting-up Recently I set myself up with a uucp mail feed from a feeder site, and now that everything works properly, I want to also get a news feed. Could anyone who has set up a uucp news feed please advise me of what news server I need to acquire (ie. Cnews, Bnews,... etc?) as well as what other procedures are involved. My feeder site has already agreed to give me a news feed, so now it is up to me to get my computer's side of things organised. Any help would be much appreciated. PLEASE REPLY TO : nicolev@number_one.apana.org.au however replies to this account will be appreciated as well :-) Regards Nicole Kaiyan PS I have already obtained a copy of NewsGrazer from the archives, so I now need the mechanish which will handle setting up news and managing it on my computer. ------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- | Nicole Kaiyan | Email: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au | | | nk@jupiter.cs.swin.oz.au | | Computer Science Department | nkaiyan@farben.latrobe.edu.au | | Swinburne University of Technology | (NeXTmail welcome) | | Hawthorn 3122 | | | Melbourne VIC | | | AUSTRALIA | | ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------
From: harrywan@symantec.com (Harry Wan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 31 Aug 1993 19:48:20 GMT Organization: Symantec/Peter Norton Group Message-ID: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> Does anyone know of any news reader for the Intel platform of Next that is compiled and ready to use? Thanks. Seems there is not going to be NewsGrazer for Intel till the commercial version. (Or that's what I've been told!) harry
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: No More Processes, Likely Cause in My Case Date: 31 Aug 1993 23:02:29 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <260la5$qvi@news.doit.wisc.edu> First, apologies to those offended by my outburst of Anglo-Saxon monosyllables of last evening. I was, to say the least, pretty vexed. Not to worry (much), I hear lately from the folks at NeXT; there is a known bug that causes workspace file operation to leak processes. This is fixed in 3.2. If you do lots of file ops in the Workspace (which indeed I was), you run out of processes fast; the temporary remedy is like that famous joke: "It hurts when I press *here*!" "Well, don't press there, then." Jess (not 100% pleased, but much mollified) -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----> It's better to have a permanent income than to be fascinating. <------]
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: No More Processes, Likely Cause in My Case Date: 31 Aug 1993 17:00:47 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <260onfINN6hm@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <260la5$qvi@news.doit.wisc.edu> Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) gets to the bottom of his "out-of-processes" problem: >First, apologies to those offended by my outburst of >Anglo-Saxon monosyllables of last evening. I was, to >say the least, pretty vexed. No offence taken... just surprised and humoured. >Not to worry (much), I hear lately from the folks at NeXT; >there is a known bug that causes workspace file operation to >leak processes. This is fixed in 3.2. If you do lots of >file ops in the Workspace (which indeed I was), you run out >of processes fast; the temporary remedy is like that famous >joke: When we talk about processes here, do we mean tasks or threads? The term process seems to indicate task (as in Unix process), but it surprises me that WM would be spawning tasks for file management operations (except perhaps compression,format, etc). So is WM losing track of a thread_t or pid?
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes + random b.s. from a tired person Date: 1 Sep 1993 00:36:51 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <260qr3$t0d@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <CCMxF5.5st@cobra.cs.unm.edu> <260p59$ogh@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <260p59$ogh@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A. Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >It's pretty simple actually. >Open up a Terminal or Stuart window. Type in "csh" (or bash, or whatever >shell you prefer). Let it set there. When you run out of processes, type >the > exec /bin/ps axuww >command. Once it is done it will terminate the shell you started up, but >the shell that Terminal or Stuart started up will still be around so the >window will remain open. Do I have to run out of processes *before* I try this? I just did (I always have a spare Stuart window sitting around), and when I entered that, it ran and the Stuart window went bye-bye. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------------------> It's in emptiness that light is born. <------------------]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: No More Processes, Likely Cause in My Case Date: 1 Sep 1993 00:38:45 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <260qul$t0e@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <260la5$qvi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <260onfINN6hm@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> In article <260onfINN6hm@stephen.cs.ubc.ca>, Stuart Ritchie <sritchie@cs.ubc.ca> wrote: Me: >>Not to worry (much), I hear lately from the folks at NeXT; >>there is a known bug that causes workspace file operation to >>leak processes. This is fixed in 3.2. If you do lots of >>file ops in the Workspace (which indeed I was), you run out >>of processes fast; the temporary remedy is like that famous >>joke: >When we talk about processes here, do we mean tasks or threads? >The term process seems to indicate task (as in Unix process), >but it surprises me that WM would be spawning tasks for file >management operations (except perhaps compression,format, etc). >So is WM losing track of a thread_t or pid? I dunno. Where's EPS when you need him? -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------------------> It's in emptiness that light is born. <------------------]
From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to add libraries to Icon.app so it runs under 3.1? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 93 20:27:26 CDT Organization: University of Missouri Message-ID: <16C3B11FB1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Hi, Our system is *finally* moving to 3.1, but after taking a test drive of IconBuilder.app - I hate it. I want my Icon.app! I know it can be done because I've seen the posts - but alas, the instructions are nowhere to be found. The last machines will be upgraded this weekend - please help me fix this in time! Regards, David K. Drum
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 1 Sep 1993 00:00:34 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <260on2INN5iv@clem.handheld.com> References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> In article <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> harrywan@symantec.com (Harry Wan) writes: > Does anyone know of any news reader for the Intel platform of Next that is > compiled and ready to use? Thanks. NewsBase compiles under 3.1 for FAT binaries. The companion posting program MMEdit includes the public JPEG stuff, and I cannot figure out how to modify the makefile to produce a fat binary, but it will produce an intel OR motorola version just fine! > > Seems there is not going to be NewsGrazer for Intel till the commercial > version. (Or that's what I've been told!) > > harry Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA,ILA | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous jmd@handheld.com | servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes + random b.s. from a tired person Date: 1 Sep 1993 02:19:06 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <2610qqINNfs2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> <CCMxF5.5st@cobra.cs.unm.edu> In article <CCMxF5.5st@cobra.cs.unm.edu> ctm@ardi.com writes: >It's a little more >complicated than typing "gotta light?" to the csh and some people >don't find the behaviour as curious as others do, but when you're tired... Sounds like Cliff's been smoking too many synthetic CPU's lately :-) But it's hard not to like a guy with a sense(?) of humor(?) like that... -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to add libraries to Icon.app so it runs under 3.1? Date: 1 Sep 1993 02:46:57 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <2612f1$2oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <16C3B11FB1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> In article <16C3B11FB1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, David K. Drum <UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> wrote: >Our system is *finally* moving to 3.1, but after taking a test drive >of IconBuilder.app - I hate it. I want my Icon.app! > >I know it can be done because I've seen the posts - but alas, the >instructions are nowhere to be found. Now they're found: Don't throw out your 2.1 shared libraries in /2.1 from your 3.0 machine. Keep Icon.app (which presumably you've already patched to run under 3.0). Now, all you have to do to run it is *seriously* compromise the security of your machine and you'll be all set: In Preferences, open the Unix Preferences window (the one with the diploma icon) and check the check box "Public Window Server". You'll get a warning panel reminding you what you're doing. Go for it. Now it will work. If you're in standalone mode, the security thing is no problem. If you're normally on a network, you should get off it while you're in this configuration. While we're on this subject, somebody check me out on the licensing aspect of Icon.app? I think you have to have a 2.1 license to be legal for Icon.app. Is that right? If you you joined the band at 3.0, this would not include you. Is that right? -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Lead me not into temptation; I can find the way myself. <---------]
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 1 Sep 1993 03:23:30 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2614ji$jk6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> <260on2INN5iv@clem.handheld.com> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Harry Wan wrote: > Does anyone know of any news reader for the Intel platform of Next that is > compiled and ready to use? Thanks. Jim De Arras responded: > NewsBase compiles under 3.1 for FAT binaries. The companion posting program > MMEdit includes the public JPEG stuff, and I cannot figure out how to modify > the makefile to produce a fat binary, but it will produce an intel OR motorola > version just fine! This is useful information about NewsBase, but unfortunately, it didn't answer the question asked. Harry Wan is looking for an already compiled newsreader. I'd guess it's because he has only the User release of NS/Intel. Harry Wan (and anyone else out there without the compiler programs), I highly suggest you look into getting the full NS release since there is a lot to be had on the net for free, but unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of it is C source code. Without a compiler, you're limiting your options to whatever someone else feels like doing for you. I would compile the app for you, but I cannot make NS/Intel binaries. In the meantime, if you have a non-NS partition on your machine I suggest getting one of the free newsreaders for that OS. Perhaps someone could toss a compiled version on the archives for those without the full NS release? If you have access to a Unix machine elsewhere, I suggest compiling nn or trn. I think nn is a great newsreader, quite quick and now there's a version that uses a growing header database standard (instead of using it's own unique header database). NFS mounting the database is easy to do with nn and the interface is quite good for a CLI app.
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with timbre database and scorefiles Date: 1 Sep 1993 05:29:48 GMT Organization: CompSci, U of Waikato, New Zealand Distribution: world Message-ID: <261c0c$497@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: MusicKit scorefile timbre I'm posting this on behalf of a visiting professor of music who is involved with writing scorefiles on the NeXT. Hope you can help. Kerry Guise His description of the problem : Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 17:16 +1200 From: DENIS@waikato.ac.nz I'm involved in a project concerning tuning method(s) used by a cappella singers, and would find it useful to be able to make recordings of several musical passages sung very precisely by male voices. Our attempt to use our own voices and adjust the frequencies by means of a program on the NeXT have not been encouraging, and I am pursuing an alternate path, typing the music into the NeXT using Scorefile language. I will play these musical passages using various sounds, and have learned of "voice" instruments that have been included in the Ensemble package. There are three voices singing five different vowel sounds, and these probably would make very listenable recordings for us. Unfortunately, after reading everything that seemed promising, I still have no idea how to make "BO" really sound like a bass voice singing the "oh" vowel sound. I'm sure it requires that I use the correct waveform, amplitude, frequency, and modulation envelopes, attack and release times, but I haven't been able to find out how these envelopes are shaped. I have found an example specification of a soprano voice in the paper by Jaffe entitled "From the Classical Software Synthesis Note-List to the NeXT Scorefile". This specification refers to waveform, frequency, and amplitude envelopes for which the specifications are not included (at least not where I've been able to find them). It's possible that the appropriate envelope descriptions are packaged somewhere near the timbres, and I haven't phrased my specifications carefully enough to get the correct result. Perhaps I simply haven't found that "most important" document that will tell me what I need to know or give me examples of envelopes that I need. I would appreciate any reply that would push me in the right direction.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: PRI Presto/Sequence? Message-ID: <CCnxKB.BIn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 06:48:10 GMT PRI either is not getting my mail, ignoring my mail, or is just reluctant to answer my mail. So I will ask here... Anyone know what the status is of Presto.app? Michael
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panel Tiffs Added Date: 1 Sep 1993 12:06:24 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <262380$g1c@news.doit.wisc.edu> I've added three images to the collection miscellany.tar on yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], directory pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1. The new ones are a neat image of the full moon (appropriate today, eh?), a great shot of a total solar eclipse, and a brooding mountain landscape. FYI, because one person didn't realize it: these collections contain just my own work; I don't have sufficient free disk space to archive the work of others. Sorry. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-------------------> Name is only the shadow of reality. <-------------------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) Subject: New serial drivers in this century? Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 12:19:21 GMT Message-ID: <CCoCw9.DLB@well.sf.ca.us> Summary: do you believe in santa claus? Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us The title says most of it. They were coming in mid-July, since this is now September I guess that SURPRISE, they are a little late. Since mid-July I have been actively dissuading people who have any interest in using a modem or ever hope to establish a SLIP link, from getting anywhere near NS/FIP. Come on NeXT, please, it isn't brain surgery, as much as I realize that NS is not Linux, this would have been fixed long ago under that "unsupported" and "non-commercial" environment.
From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 1 Sep 93 09:13:22 Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <GISLI.93Sep1091322@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> <260on2INN5iv@clem.handheld.com> <2614ji$jk6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In-reply-to: jeffo@uiuc.edu's message of 1 Sep 1993 03:23:30 GMT >>>>> In article <2614ji$jk6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: JN> NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu JN> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu > Does anyone know of any news reader for the Intel platform of Next that is > compiled and ready to use? Thanks. JN> This is useful information about NewsBase, but unfortunately, it JN> didn't answer the question asked. Harry Wan is looking for an JN> already compiled newsreader. I'd guess it's because he has only JN> the User release of NS/Intel. [munch] JN> If you have access to a Unix machine elsewhere, I suggest JN> compiling nn or trn.... (Well, if you plan to use these programs on a NeXT I recommend compiling them on a NeXT :-) Alternatively, you could try to get your hands on emacs (I understand that the User release comes without emacs, which is a travesty). If I'm not mistaken, a compiled version exists on nova.cc.purdue.edu. With emacs you could run GNUS, the emacs newsreader (which you would have to get separately). GNUS is a fine newsreader. You would have to learn rudamentary emacs commands, but that's a bonus. Note: This is not a diskspace effective solution to your problem. Gisli -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gisli Ottarsson Grad Student and a Gentleman Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where can I find Stuart.app? Date: 1 Sep 1993 12:54:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <26262u$ivr@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Does anyone know where I can find Stuart.app? Can someone send me a copy via NeXTmail? -- *** David Slotnick *** Applied Research Laboratories *** dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu NeXTmail desired and appreciated
From: adunn@whcdf.fnal.gov Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Prices for NeXTSTEP? Date: 1 Sep 93 08:55:30 CST Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL Message-ID: <1993Sep1.085530.1@whcdf.fnal.gov> What are the best street prices for NeXTSTEP ( developer and user systems, black or white, non-educational ) ? Please e-mail, I will summarize replies. Thanks, _andy dunn dunn@mich.physics.lsa.umich.edu
From: "E. Daniel Raz" <p00273@psilink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT/OBJECTIVE 'C' - INVESTMENT BANKING - NYC Date: Wed, 01 Sep 93 09:34:05 -0500 Organization: Analytic Recruiting Inc. Message-ID: <2955976332.9.p00273@psilink.com> Major Investment Bank located in mid-town New York City is looking for an expert programmer with significant experience programming on the NeXT station. Responsibilities involve the design and development of systems to support trading and Risk Management of equity options. Applicants must be college grads (BS/MS/Ph.D.) with several years industry experience. This is a high visibility position requiring polished and superior communications skills. Salary $80k-100k++ When Replying, please include the following: 1. Present salary and bonus if any. 2. US Citizenship/Permenant Residency/Work Visa 3. Geographical preference and availabilty to interview at that location. (Please note: Most of our clients will not pay travel or relocation expenses.) Please follow up faxed or emailed resumes with a hardcopy via usmail. ALL CORRESPONDENCE MUST BE MARKED ATTN: E. DANIEL RAZ CONTACT (executive search firm): E. Daniel Raz email: p00273@psilink.com usmail: Analytic Recruiting Inc. 21 East 40 St. Suite 500 New York, New York 10016 Tel#: (212) 545-8511 Fax#: (212) 545-8520 Message-Id: <2955566808.5.p00273@psilink.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:48:56 -0500 From: "E. Daniel Raz" <p00273@psilink.com> Organization: Analytic Recruiting Inc. Subject: NeXT/OBJECTIVE 'C' - INVESTMENT BANKING - NYC Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered Major Investment Bank located in mid-town New York City is looking for an expert programmer with significant experience programming on the NeXT station. Responsibilities involve the design and development of systems to support Trading and Risk Management of equity options. Applicants must be college grads (BS/MS/Ph.D.) with several years industry experience. This is a high visibility position requiring polished and superior communications skills. Salary $80k-100k++ When Replying, please include the following: 1. Present salary and bonus if any. 2. US Citizenship/Permenant Residency/Work Visa 3. Geographical preference and availabilty to interview at that location. (Please note: Most of our clients will not pay travel or relocation expenses.) Please follow up faxed or emailed resumes with a hardcopy via usmail. ALL CORRESPONDENCE MUST BE MARKED ATTN: E. DANIEL RAZ CONTACT (executive search firm): E. Daniel Raz email: p00273@psilink.com usmail: Analytic Recruiting Inc. 21 East 40 St. Suite 500 New York, New York 10016 Tel#: (212) 545-8511 Fax#: (212) 545-8520 Message-Id: <2955567112.6.p00273@psilink.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:55:55 -0500 From: "E. Daniel Raz" <p00273@psilink.com> Organization: Analytic Recruiting Inc. Subject: POWERBUILDER PROGRAMMER - STAMFORD, CONNETICUT Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered Major International Information Services company in Stamford, Conneticut is looking for an experienced "Powerbuilder" programmer. The work involves the design and development of processing modules and interfaces for financial data base applications. Knowledge of C and SYBASE a major plus. Computer science or equivalent degree and 2+ years industry experience a must. Salary $50k - 60k When Replying, please include the following: 1. Present salary and bonus if any. 2. US Citizenship/Permenant Residency/Work Visa 3. Geographical preference and availabilty to interview at that location. (Please note: Most of our clients will not pay travel or relocation expenses.) Please follow up faxed or emailed resumes with a hardcopy via usmail. ALL CORRESPONDENCE MUST BE MARKED ATTN: E. DANIEL RAZ CONTACT (executive search firm): E. Daniel Raz email: p00273@psilink.com usmail: Analytic Recruiting Inc. 21 East 40 St. Suite 500 New York, New York 10016 Tel#: (212) 545-8511 Fax#: (212) 545-8520
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: petitmermet@biocomp.mat.ethz.ch Subject: Re: PRI Presto/Sequence? Message-ID: <CCoJ9u.1Jy@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: BWB - ETH-Zuerich References: <CCnxKB.BIn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 14:37:03 GMT In article <CCnxKB.BIn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > >PRI either is not getting my mail, ignoring my mail, or is just reluctant >to answer my mail. So I will ask here... > >Anyone know what the status is of Presto.app? > >Michael > They didn't answer my mail either! I am still using Presto 0.9.6b (BETA!) but I have payed to get version 1.0!!
From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to add libraries to Icon.app so it runs under 3.1? Date: Wed, 01 Sep 93 08:44:01 CDT Organization: University of Missouri Message-ID: <16C3C7ADD.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> References: <16C3B11FB1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> <2612f1$2oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <2612f1$2oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >Keep Icon.app (which presumably you've already >patched to run under 3.0). Well, I haven't, because we're going directly from 2.1 to 3.1. So can someone enlighten me as to how to patch it for 3.1? Regards (and Thanks to Jess), David K. Drum
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where can I find Stuart.app? Date: 1 Sep 1993 11:53:22 -0400 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <262ghi$a23@seine.cs.umd.edu> References: <26262u$ivr@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <26262u$ivr@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) writes: > Does anyone know where I can find Stuart.app? Can someone send me a copy > via NeXTmail? ftp sonata.cc.purdue.edu cd /pub/next/2.0/com mget Stuart2.4* -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: seungwoo@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim) Subject: Re: PRI Presto/Sequence? Message-ID: <seungwoo.746901766@hecto> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <CCnxKB.BIn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <CCoJ9u.1Jy@bernina.ethz.ch> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 16:42:46 GMT In <CCoJ9u.1Jy@bernina.ethz.ch> petitmermet@biocomp.mat.ethz.ch writes: >> >>Anyone know what the status is of Presto.app? >> >>Michael >> >They didn't answer my mail either! I am still using Presto 0.9.6b (BETA!) >but I have payed to get version 1.0!! Me neither, I haven't heard from them either for a long time. Seung-Woo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Help an idiot compile Simple.app Message-ID: <jhough.746902624@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 16:57:04 GMT I am completely clueless as to how to compile Simple.app. I was hoping I wouldnt have to install the entire Developers Kit, but I did that anyway thinking it might go through and compile this stuff as part of the installation program, but no such luck. Can someone please help me out!? A friend suggested typing "make Makefile" in the Simple directory, but all it tells me is "Makefile is up to date". Advice would be appriciated. Don't send Nextmail to this address... thanks! Jason -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to add libraries to Icon.app so it runs under 3.1? Date: 1 Sep 1993 17:09:56 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <262l14$t9d@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2612f1$2oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <2612f1$2oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >In article <16C3B11FB1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, >David K. Drum <UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> wrote: >>Our system is *finally* moving to 3.1, but after taking a test drive >>of IconBuilder.app - I hate it. I want my Icon.app! >Now, all you have to do to run it is *seriously* compromise >the security of your machine and you'll be all set: >In Preferences, open the Unix Preferences window (the one >with the diploma icon) and check the check box "Public >Window Server". You'll get a warning panel ... Now, why the hell this has become necessary? It was bad enough that Public Window Server was a all or nothing choice before. Now you have to turn it on even for old apps running *locally*. Why did they have to break this in going from 3.0 to 3.1? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Playing card TIFFs? Message-ID: <Sep1.172039.47602@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 17:20:39 GMT References: <DEAN.93Aug31175603@world.std.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > I'm no artist, so I'm looking for a set of 52 card faces for > creating family card games for my kids (concentration, > solataire, etc). Any clues where to look. Oooo... you gotta like it when you can actually help someone out. If you have FTP access you can get the source to my Solitaire game from cs.orst.edu (it was in /pub/next/submissions) which includes a full object set that covers the display + drag 'n drop aspects of writing card games. As a result, the Solitaire-specific code is only around 250 lines of code. Let me know how it works out. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: thornton@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Michael Thornton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PRI Presto/Sequence? Date: 1 Sep 1993 17:18:27 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <262lh3$128@transfer.stratus.com> References: <seungwoo.746901766@hecto> In article <seungwoo.746901766@hecto> seungwoo@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim) writes: > In <CCoJ9u.1Jy@bernina.ethz.ch> petitmermet@biocomp.mat.ethz.ch writes: > >> > >>Anyone know what the status is of Presto.app? > >> > > >They didn't answer my mail either! I am still using Presto 0.9.6b (BETA!) > >but I have payed to get version 1.0!! > > Me neither, I haven't heard from them either for a long time. > My email to PRI seemingly bounced, but I did get a reply. They said that version v0.9.6b is the current version and that they will have an update this fall that will include SMPTE support. Also that the application is now called Sequence. -- Michael Thornton thornton@vineland.pubs.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Quick & dirty "dock extender" Message-ID: <1993Sep1.153052.1652@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 15:30:52 GMT If you only want to launch additional apps, and don't want any other feature of a dock extender, do this: dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths "anyExecutableFile;anyOtherExecutableFile" for example, mine: dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths "/LocalApps/TickleServices.app/TickleServer.daemon;/LocalApps/BackSpace.app/BackSpace" Apologies for the length of the above line - there's no good place to break it because the list of paths has no spaces. I haven't tested whether spaces are ok, but for sure the quotes are necessary or csh (at least) thinks the semicolons are command separators. Semicolons are the only separators that work - I tried spaces and colons, too. I'm running NS3.1, but I'm pretty sure this will also work in NS3.0. I discovered this while looking at dwrite output for an entirely different reason. I had seen the LaunchPaths default before, after installing TickleServices, but it only struck me today that it might be able to launch _any_ executable. Cheap & dirty, but effective. -m -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PRI Presto/Sequence? Date: 1 Sep 1993 12:19:39 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <262skbINN89h@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <seungwoo.746901766@hecto> <262lh3$128@transfer.stratus.com> In article <262lh3$128@transfer.stratus.com> thornton@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Michael Thornton) writes: >My email to PRI seemingly bounced, but I did get a reply. They said >that version v0.9.6b is the current version and that they will have an update >this fall that will include SMPTE support. Also that the application >is now called Sequence. One more bit of info: the email I received indicated that they are hoping for a September release.
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Email address for WordPerfect? Date: 1 Sep 1993 20:06:46 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <262vcm$bfr@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Summary: Looking for... Keywords: internet address I'm looking for the internet address for Wordperfect. Anyone have it? Thanks! Shane -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 350 MEGS ::GS:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: HELP - Microphone Pro install probs Message-ID: <1993Sep1.165751.14987@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <1993Aug31.121443.6706@nrao.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 16:57:51 GMT In article <1993Aug31.121443.6706@nrao.edu> libby@homer.nosc.mil (Scott Libby) writes: > > 1. intalled MP as root as per directions...no probs encountered. > 2. plugged in the modem cable from the modem to port A on the NeXT. > 3. plugged in the phone cable from the modem (line) to wall phone jack. > 4. rebooted > 5. double clicked Microphone Pro...this brings up an untitled session > window which is quickly covered with another window which says > "could not open port 'dev/cua/' because of device busy". > This is a common problem when multiple processes can be talking to the port. Normally, I would just mail you back some things to look for, but it might be of general use. 1> look in /etc/ttys for port a being on. Edit the file to turn it off and reboot. (or as su, just type kill -HUP 1) 2> Are you using a fax modem that doesn't share the port? Use our faxmodem driver. 3> Do you have uucp or slip running on port a? MicroPhone can't use the port when either of these are running. 4> type ls -la and look for anything that references cua or ttya. Figure out what process is doing it. 5> Call our tech support line (510)644-1325 and we will be happy to talk you through these steps. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aberno@saltwater.com (Anthony Berno) Subject: REALLY need use of Ultralite dock Message-ID: <1993Sep1.211948.6395@saltwater.com> Sender: aberno@saltwater.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 21:19:48 GMT I posted about a week ago that I was seeking the short-term use of a docking station and SCSI adapter so that I could load my copy of Nextstep onto my Ultralite Versa. So far, no replies. Now, I *know* that there must be *someone* out there with a docking station, and I just can't afford to spend $800 on equipment that I'm going to use for all of two hours. So again: if anyone within reasonable distance of the San Francisco bay area (100 miles or less) is willing to help me out, please email me at aberno@saltwater.com, or call (510) 487-6725. I'd be happy to take you to dinner or do whatever reasonable thing you would like in return. I'll be away over the long weekend, but at my desk otherwise. -Anthony
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes + random b.s. from a tired person Date: 1 Sep 1993 22:36:27 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <26385b$ad2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <260qr3$t0d@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > Garance A. Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > > Open up a Terminal or Stuart window. Type in "csh" (or bash, or > > whatever shell you prefer). Let it set there. When you run out > > of processes, type the > > exec /bin/ps axuww > > command. Once it is done it will terminate the shell you started > > up, but the shell that Terminal or Stuart started up will still > > be around so the window will remain open. > > Do I have to run out of processes *before* I try this? I > just did (I always have a spare Stuart window sitting > around), and when I entered that, it ran and the Stuart > window went bye-bye. I suspect you followed the second half of the advice while missing the first half. In your spare window, type the following two lines: csh exec /bin/ps axuww you could use "sh", "bash", "tsch", or whatever other shell you have around instead of "csh", of course. The key is to start up that extra shell before you type in the exec command. Note that you can't type the exec command in twice in a row, as the first one will kill the extra "csh" process and the second exec will kill the shell that's keeping your Stuart window open. I've done this many times in Stuart windows, so I'm pretty sure it works. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reviving Optical Disk Date: 2 Sep 1993 01:33:34 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <263ihe$hqk@transfer.stratus.com> References: <260hfe$t2g@skat.usc.edu> Keywords: OD, crash In article <260hfe$t2g@skat.usc.edu> sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes: > The worst of fates has befallen me. My Optical Disk, with about >200 meg worth of technical data, USENET memorobilia, and personal data >has gone way south. The window comes up with the "Optical Disk `foo' >is damaged" message with the IGNORE, INITIALIZE, or REPAIR buttons. If >I choose to "Repair" it tries for a short while and then ejects the disk >with a popup message: "Error while repairing disk: unable to fsck disk." >One of our local NeXT wizards ran "fsck" in single-user mode for three >hours trying to revive this disk, but no luck. The problem might be dust. Two suggestions: (1) Try putting the OD into another drive (assuming you've got another system available). Sometimes a disk can read on another system. If this works, snarf your data off it pronto, then... (2) Try cleaning the disk. Open the door a blast it with some high pressure air. DO NOT blow on the disk or touch it with your fingers. If you don't have an air hose handy, you might try checking out a photo shop (or lab). Quite often they have cans of air for cleaning optics. Good luck! Hope this helps. --Bob -- Bob_Beckwith@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc., Hardware Engineering 55 Fairbanks Blvd. Marlboro, MA 01752 USA
From: marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PDO Date: 1 Sep 1993 20:06:29 -0700 Message-ID: <263nvl$sj0@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Summary: What will PDO include? Will PDO be just the basic distribution-objects proxy system or will it have other support, like dynamic linking? Any guesses on cost? And what are the platforms so far?
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUMMARY: Reviving Optical Disk [LONG] Date: 1 Sep 1993 20:59:49 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: sweet@skat.usc.edu Message-ID: <263r3l$gci@skat.usc.edu> References: <260hfe$t2g@skat.usc.edu> Keywords: OD, crash In article <260hfe$t2g@skat.usc.edu> I wrote: > The worst of fates has befallen me. My Optical Disk, with about >200 meg worth of technical data, USENET memorobilia, and personal data >has gone way south. The window comes up with the "Optical Disk `foo' >is damaged" message with the IGNORE, INITIALIZE, or REPAIR buttons. If >I choose to "Repair" it tries for a short while and then ejects the disk >with a popup message: "Error while repairing disk: unable to fsck disk." >One of our local NeXT wizards ran "fsck" in single-user mode for three >hours trying to revive this disk, but no luck. > > Are there any utilities/applications that might be able to retrieve >at least some of the info from this disk? Most of it is text data, so any >CRC errors would be negligible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- First off: I would like to give a big, hearty THANK YOU to everyone that responded. I should have stated in my original post that the drive was recently replaced (I am not sure how new it was, though), I had tried the disk on another cube, and I had successfully loaded other disks on my drive. The suggestion that worked like a charm was: % fsck -b 16 /dev/od0a After two passes the disk was running like new. What do these (-b 16) options/paramaters do that the default command will not? Once again THANKS! The net IS a wonderful place. Here are the responses, (slightly edited): ------------------- From: Sam_Streeper@NeXT.COM (Sam Streeper) The problem probably is that the OD drive has accumulated too much dust; that drive won't be able to fix the disk without an overhaul. I would guess it just needs cleaning and a new filter. I've never done such an overhaul myself and I can't recommend where you might take it, but these drives are notorious dust suckers. ------------------- From: Andreas Windemuth <windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu> Try cleaning the drive, the optical head might be dusty. There exist cleaning disks, but I don't know where to get them. After cleaning, use fsck -b 16 for replacing a damaged super-block. ------------------- From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu >From NeXTanswers: read recover failed optical disk bad block hardware uncorrectable ecc error Q: I cannot read or boot my optical disk anymore. In the console I see a series of READ RECOVER messages followed by a READ FAILED message. Q: I have a bad spot on my optical disk. I tried rewriting over it, then tried erasing the whole disk, but I get an I/O error always at the same spot. Is there a way to mark the bad spot? A: A sudden power off or interrupt can cause the erasure of a half track on the OD. One of the symptoms is a series of READ RECOVER messages followed by a READ FAILED message. It might look like: od0a: read recover (ECC) block 160120 phys block 161992 (14273:0:8) This means that the read was to logical block 160120, physical block 161992, track 14273 of drive 0, at sector 8. The only way to recover is to rewrite the sector, which may or may not be difficult, depending on which file (if any) the sector is located in. Try this procedure. Fixing an optical with "Uncorrectable ECC" errors 1. Go to a machine which is not booted off of optical 2. Insert the optical. 3. Become root 4. Attempt to fsck the a partition of the disk. 5. Carefully record the physical address of the bad block 6. Run the disk program on the device /dev/rod0a 7. Run the command "abort" in disk to turn of abort on error 8. Run the "read" command on the physical sector a. enter the physical block number b. enter 1 for the number of sectors per transfer c. enter 8 for the number of transfers d. enter 1 for the sector increment e. record the number of bad sectors 9. Run the "write" command on the physical sector a. enter the physical block number for starting block b. enter 1 for the number of sectors per transfer c. enter the number of bad sectors from step "e" above for the number of sectors to transfer d. enter 1 for the sector increment e. enter 0 for the random data 10. Repeat step 8 above; you should receive no error 11. Rerun fsck on the a partition a. it may be necessary to run with an alternate super-block b. use -b 16 for this case (additional backups are in NextAnswers, os.293) c. repeat fsck until no errors occur 12. Mount and examine the file system to confirm that it is still intact Note also the 2.0 disk command for repairing bad ODs. QA185 Valid for 1.0 Valid for 2.0 ------------------- From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) This might be simplistic, but it works for me... Whenever one of my ODs refuses to mount from the worspace, I just log out, type console at login, end up with a command-line interface, and voila! I have (almost) always been able to manually mount the disks, using "mount /dev/od0a" etc... It won't work if the disk is really dead, but always has when I was getting "Eject, Repair, Initialize" mesages. Weird but true. Hope this helps. If not, good luck. ------------------- From: Dick Silbar <silbar@cantina.lanl.gov> Did you try the simple thing of cleaning the drive? ------------------- From: Geoff Kuenning <geoff@prodnet.la.locus.com> What sort of problems did fsck find? Did he attempt to repair any of them? It depends on several things, particularly on whether the errors are hardware (e.g., CRC) or software. In either case, there are some things that can be done. The most important, though, is to first prevent further damage. If the errors are not hardware errors, you can use "dd" to make a backup copy of the current state of the disk; the only catch is that you will either need 256M of scratch disk, a backup tape, or a lot of patience. The first two backups can be made with one of the commands: dd if=/dev/rod0a of=/somewhere/backup_file bs=128b dd if=/dev/rod0a of=/dev/tape-device bs=128b (the "128" should really be replaced by the cylinder size of the OD, which I don't have handy right now. I think you can pull it out of /etc/fstab.) When you type this command (you'll probably need to be root), a window will pop up asking you to insert your OD. Don't insert it before that point. After the command completes, you'll have to type: disk -e /dev/rod0a to eject the disk. If you don't have lots of disk space, a backup is a bit trickier but still possible. The basic idea is to do: dd if=/dev/rod0a of=/tmp/odbackup skip=XXX bs=128b count=YYY disk -e /dev/rod0a dd if=/tmp/odbackup of=/dev/rod0a seek=XXX bs=128b count=YYY disk -e /dev/rod0a repeatedly. The first two commands are done with your (write-protected) damaged disk, while the last two are done with a scratch disk that will contain the backup. YYY should be selected so that 512*128*YYY is close to the free space (in bytes) in your temp filesystem. XXX starts out at zero, then becomes YYY, 2*YYY, 3*YYY, etc., in sequence. You should free up as much space as possible first, to minimize disk swapping. If your problems are hardware-related, of course, none of this will help. Instead, you should first try several other cubes to see if their optical drive will read what yours won't. If that doesn't work, or after you back up the original, I *might* have some software that will help recover at least part of your files, though it would be painful. However, I'm moving this weekend, so I'm not going to be very available very soon. You'd be better off going with another approach if you're in a hurry. Otherwise, contact me again late next week, and I'll see if I can do anything for you. ------------------- From: bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) The problem might be dust. Two suggestions: (1) Try putting the OD into another drive (assuming you've got another system available). Sometimes a disk can read on another system. If this works, snarf your data off it pronto, then... (2) Try cleaning the disk. Open the door a blast it with some high pressure air. DO NOT blow on the disk or touch it with your fingers. If you don't have an air hose handy, you might try checking out a photo shop (or lab). Quite often they have cans of air for cleaning optics. -------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: What to do with a cube with no monitor Message-ID: <CCpFy7.M8@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 02:22:55 GMT In article <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: #We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous #price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to #use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My #turboslab is kind of reluctant to function without a monitor. Is this the #same with cubes ? If we were to get hold of a monitor or three, does it Not sure since I never ran my cube headless. #matter if the monitor was the old kind or the newer ? It doesn't matter. If it's got a mic or not. I don't know if cubes evr came ADB so I don't know if an ADB mono monitor exists. If one does I'm not sure it would work on anything but one of the last cubes. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: mike@buran (Michael Wesemann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SciPlot 3.6 (FAT) Date: 2 Sep 1993 09:07:24 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <264d4c$855@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Hello! SciPlot 3.6 (FAT) is available now! I placed it on cs.orst.edu and ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de (SciPlot.3.6.tar). If you have no ftp access order it from mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de (NeXTMail) Mike From the README: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Category: SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. Installation: Unpack the archive and double click the SciPlot.pkg and the SciPlotDemos.pkg. The SciPlot.pkg contain the programm itself and can be installed for NeXT or Intel or both. The SciPlotDemos.pkg contain a collection of demo files. This package is optional and it is not necessary to install it. Required NeXTStep Release: 3.x (NeXT and/or Intel) Author: Michael Wesemann Schillerstr. 73, 10627 Berlin, Germany mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de (NeXTMail preferred) License: SciPlot is Shareware! Everybody can use, copy, and distribute SciPlot as often as he wants. If you like SciPlot and use it regularly you can remit DM 50 or $35 or a bottle of good red wine. Commercial distribution is strictly forbidden without the permission of the author. Warranty: There is no warranty whatsoever for SciPlot. The entire risk of using the program lies with you. Features: - free number of data points, data buffers, and document windows - macro programming language with more than 120 functions - a general multilevel undo function - ASCII import and export - EPS export - image import (EPS and TIFF) - copy, cut, paste - selective open and save - grids - plotting in many styles - separate control about each graphic attribute - automatic or manual defined axis steps - automatic legend - subviews - linear and logarithmic axes - two different axes - forward and reverse axis plotting - text and graphic - color support - data zoom and document zoom - normalizing and moving - axis conversions - free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.) - spreadsheet like data editor - sorting of data - absolute,relative, and free defined error bars - calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ) - background subtractions (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier) - integration and relative integration - fitting of one or more free defined functions - linear, logarithmic, and exponential regression - calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.) - function generator - more than 60 builtin function for expressions - spline interpolation - least square smooth and FFT smooth - differentiation and integration - FFT (with data windowing) - ESCA calculations and database ... and something more
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: heath@iceblink.cs.jhu.edu (Dave Heath) Subject: look for X server Message-ID: <CCp0pp.G53@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 20:53:49 GMT I'm sure this gets asked frequently, but I couldn't find a FAQ for this group. I am looking for an X server for an 030 next running nextstep 1.0. Is it possible to find such a beast? I would prefer one that takes over the whole screen, but even one that runs in a window is ok. -dave heath
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes + random b.s. from a tired person Message-ID: <CCpsyA.Dvo@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> <CCMxF5.5st@cobra.cs.unm.edu> <2610qqINNfs2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 07:03:49 GMT In article <2610qqINNfs2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > >In article <CCMxF5.5st@cobra.cs.unm.edu> ctm@ardi.com writes: >>It's a little more >>complicated than typing "gotta light?" to the csh and some people >>don't find the behaviour as curious as others do, but when you're tired... > >Sounds like Cliff's been smoking too many synthetic CPU's lately :-) But it's >hard not to like a guy with a sense(?) of humor(?) like that... I apologize. When I saw Jess's problem I wanted to point out the use of exec /bin/ps to look for processes, then, partially due to sleep deprivation, I started rambling. I used to teach C and UNIX short courses and the particular sequence of "touch, chmod, move ..." would really amuse some of the class. However, I'd only introduce it if my audience looked like they'd appreciate it. I actually know someone who almost got thrown out of school for creating such a file. The system administrator that found it was *FURIOUS* that he couldn't look at the file, even when he was root. Then when he found out what had happened was very embarrassed. Of course stuff like this doesn't work well on GUI systems, but back then almost all UNIXs were terminal based. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Playing card TIFFs? Message-ID: <CCptAo.Dwp@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <DEAN.93Aug31175603@world.std.com> Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 07:11:14 GMT In article <DEAN.93Aug31175603@world.std.com> dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) writes: >Hi, > >I'm no artist, so I'm looking for a set of 52 card faces for creating >family card games for my kids (concentration, solataire, etc). Any clues >where to look. A Mac user offered me a set in .PICT format, but I can't >see any native NeXTy way to convert them. Thanks in advance. Convert PICT should be able to convert them into .EPS files which should either be useful to you or should easily be convertable to TIFF. David John Burrowes is the author. I believe 1.1 is still in beta. You could search the archives for a copy or send e-mail to davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com, or you could even send me the PICTs and I could try my beta copy of Convert PICT to convert them. Normally I'd reply by e-mail, but I suspect there are others who might be interested in this answer. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Upgrading black HW to 3.1 Date: 2 Sep 1993 12:01:03 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <264n9v$ruq@umd5.umd.edu> Has anyone else noticed that /bin/strip is not part of NeXTstep 3.1 user? I would think strip can be used by non-developers too. Also, Upgrade3.1 doesn't always tell you of errors it encounters. I forgot to give root access to one of the upgrade clients, and it reported two errors with uucpd and uuxqt. It didn't report that /usr/etc was mode 777. Hmmm. ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "We can't schedule an orgy, it might be construed as fighting" --Stanley Sutton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: PDO Message-ID: <CCqA61.FJy@agedwards.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 13:15:36 GMT References: <263nvl$sj0@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Marcus Daniels (marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : Will PDO be just the basic distribution-objects proxy system : or will it have other support, like dynamic linking? : Any guesses on cost? : And what are the platforms so far? More questions from the peanut gallery.... - Which compiler will it use (platform native or GNU)? - Which linker will it user (platform native or GNU/NeXT)? If GNU/NeXT, will it be able to link in native object code? - Which debugger(s) will be supported (platform native or GNU/NeXT)? For platforms other than HP, it would seem that few of these questions even matter, but since HP has what was (until about two weeks ago) a proprietary debug symbol format, none of their tools are compatible with GNU tools and vice-versa. They've finally freed this header file for this, but are only supporting it to the people at jaguar.cs.utah.edu (those who are porting GNU stuff to PA-RISC). -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Reviving Optical Disk [LONG] Date: 2 Sep 1993 14:57:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2651k0$cn4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <263r3l$gci@skat.usc.edu> In article <263r3l$gci@skat.usc.edu> sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes: > The suggestion that worked like a charm was: > > % fsck -b 16 /dev/od0a > > After two passes the disk was running like new. What do these > (-b 16) options/paramaters do that the default command will not? > It uses an alternate superblock. Your problem was that the superblock was corrupted. On formatting, the system assigns a lot of alternate superblocks and prints out their numbers, but one of them is always block number 16. A very useful feature of UNIX file systems .... Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anybody got a BBS package up and running... Date: 2 Sep 1993 16:29:49 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <26571t$lvt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Any body got a BBS package up and running on their NeXTStation. I'd like to find one with interactive Internet access as well as out going modem access. please email any ideas... CW -- Ryan Wiegner aj681 on Cleveland Freenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Klaus@ideal.muc.de (Klaus Bscheid) Subject: Re: HELP - Microphone Pro install probs Message-ID: <1993Sep1.182533.1023@ideal.muc.de> Sender: me@ideal.muc.de (Klaus Bscheid) Organization: Eversmile References: <1993Aug31.121443.6706@nrao.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 18:25:33 GMT In article <1993Aug31.121443.6706@nrao.edu> libby@homer.nosc.mil (Scott Libby) writes: > Perhaps some one could help me here...being a relative newcomer to > NeXT hardware in general and UNIX in particular I am having probs > configuring Microphone Pro to work with my ColorStation...here's the deal > > hardware: NeXTColor Station with a ZyXEL 1496E modem > s/w: Microphone Pro > > Essentially, here is what I did: > > 1. intalled MP as root as per directions...no probs encountered. > 2. plugged in the modem cable from the modem to port A on the NeXT. > 3. plugged in the phone cable from the modem (line) to wall phone jack. > 4. rebooted > 5. double clicked Microphone Pro...this brings up an untitled session > window which is quickly covered with another window which says > "could not open port 'dev/cua/' because of device busy". > > and that's about as far as I get...I tried going into the inspector and > changing ports, changing drivers, whatever, and nothing seems to work...I > never was able to get the modem to respond with 'OK' after I typed in AT. > > Can somebody give a newbie a hand? tks, scott 1. Dont install MPPro as root (as per directions). 2. Reed the InstalationGuide 3. Reed the InstalationGuide 4. After the Instalation as me or xyz reed in the Online Manual about the thing with devices and MPPro. 5. Join in at the MicroPhone Pro (for NEXTSTEP) mailing list (SUB to mpro-request@netcom.com) 6. Have a nice day klaus -- ____________________________________________________________ Klaus Bscheid, klaus@ideal.muc.de, voice/fax: +49 89 3103829 Germany, 85716 Unterschleissheim, Sportplatzstrasse 7
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dal@netcom.com (Dana Andre Letendre) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <dalCCqIuG.6xB@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 16:23:04 GMT We've had 3.1 for Black Hardware installed here for a few months and none of my users has ever reported running out of processes. These computers are on 24 hours a day, 5 days a week and used heavily. There are several NFS mounted volumes on every computer along with cd-roms on a few computers. There is a Netware and SNA gateway on the network also. It seems like you should do some more investigating before saying disparaging remarks about NS, we've never had any problems. Dana Letendre Bank of America System Administrator
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (charles d. kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: purchasing over the net Date: 2 Sep 1993 16:59:57 GMT Organization: University of Florida Message-ID: <2658qdINNjiv@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, I want to purchase a few things over the net. I thought there was an FAQ on this, but it wasn't in news.answers. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding terms and methods? Please e-mail me and I'll summarize if there is any interest. Thank you very much. -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) Subject: Stupid Librarian Question Message-ID: <CCqLEv.58I@mcs.anl.gov> Sender: usenet@mcs.anl.gov Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 17:18:31 GMT What the hell are the proper options to give for the various selections in the "Word, Prefix, Within, Literal, Expression" popup? All I really want to do is search using and, or, not logic but can't figure out how to do that using "Expression". Any help appreciated, -- Peter A. Korp Assistant Scientist Argonne National Laboratory korp@eid.anl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) Subject: Re: REALLY need use of Ultralite dock Message-ID: <1993Sep2.170236.2090@next.cambridge.ma.us> Sender: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us Organization: NeXTWORLD Magazine References: <1993Sep1.211948.6395@saltwater.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 17:02:36 GMT In article <1993Sep1.211948.6395@saltwater.com> aberno@saltwater.com (Anthony Berno) writes: > > I posted about a week ago that I was seeking the short-term use of a > docking station and SCSI adapter so that I could load my copy of Nextstep > onto my Ultralite Versa. So far, no replies. > > Now, I *know* that there must be *someone* out there with a docking > station, and I just can't afford to spend $800 on equipment that I'm going > to use for all of two hours. the NEC person I spoke with said that they were doing this as a free service; you may want to contact your dealer. -- ................................................................simson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Man pages in Edit Message-ID: <1993Sep2.185308.4215@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 18:53:08 GMT Howcum when I type man in the terminal I get the man entry but when I try it in edit, (using the Utilities.../Manual... menu) the same man entry says ``no manual entry for (whatever)''? I am using the command correctly, so my guess is the path is correctly set in ~/.cshrc but Edit uses a different path setting somewhere else. Any clues out there? Thanks! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Database replacement of the file system Date: 2 Sep 1993 19:56:14 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <265j4u$one@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Way back when there was talk about the NeXT RISC Workstation (NRW) I remember somebody mentioning that NeXT was working on technology that would integrate a database so tightly with the operating system that the file system would be replaced by a more general purpose database system. Linking and distributed access would become very transparent. I'm interested in learning more about this, but I'm not quite sure exactly what it is called or where to find literature. Would the area be something like "Database support for object oriented operating systems"? Any pointers to literature (or other info) would be sincerely appreciated. Email preferred and I'll summarize if requested. Thanks, - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University | NeXTMail OK
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Stupid Librarian Question Date: 2 Sep 1993 16:26:13 -0400 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <265kt5$kko@seine.cs.umd.edu> References: <CCqLEv.58I@mcs.anl.gov> Send-To: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp), product_suggestions@next.com In article <CCqLEv.58I@mcs.anl.gov> korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) writes: > What the hell are the proper options to give for the various selections in > the "Word, Prefix, Within, Literal, Expression" popup? > All I really want to do is search using and, or, not logic but can't > figure out how to do that using "Expression". see page 177 of the user manual, available from NeXT (800) 848-NEXT I think. word looks for whole words that match a word in the search string prefix also matches words that start with a word in the search string within also matches words that contain a word in the search string as a substring literal doesnt treat individual words in the search string with an implied "and" expression uses ed style regular expressions *** it would be more useful if they allowed egrep style regular expressions so that you could easily search for a or b. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mail forward Message-ID: <1993Sep1.115138.3898@stone.com> Date: 1 Sep 93 11:51:38 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993Sep1.115138.3898 References: <25h5es$2pi@fermat.mayo.edu> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp In article <25h5es$2pi@fermat.mayo.edu> buckley@mayo.edu (Paul Buckley) writes: > It seems our .forward files have stopped working. Anyone seen this? We're > running 3.1 on a black net. > I have seen this when the ownership of the .forward file is not the same as the user whose directory the .forward file is in. Might want to check that. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) Subject: Re: Quick & dirty "dock extender" Message-ID: <1993Sep2.202616.12208@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation References: <CEDMAN.93Sep2092120@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 20:26:16 GMT In article <CEDMAN.93Sep2092120@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <1993Sep1.223725.26310@Princeton.EDU> serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU writes: > In article <1993Sep1.153052.1652@afs.com> Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael > Pizolato) writes: > > If you only want to launch additional apps, and don't want any other > > feature of a dock extender, do this: > > > > dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths "anyExecutableFile;anyOtherExecutableFile" > > > > for example, mine: > > In 3.1, WorkSpace Services has an "Edit LaunchPaths ..." facility. > > Are you sure that this is a 3.1 WorkSpace service ? Here I've it > listed as a TickleServices service, albeit under the Workspace submenu. > > Carl Edman I for one am sure - I have it working under 2.1 Workspace (as well as 3.0), without TickleServices anywhere near my machine. -- Jason D. Blue NeXT Network and Systems Administrator The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA jblue@mitre.org (NeXT Mail Encouraged!) TIP#081
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: vt100 extended character set font? Date: 2 Sep 1993 21:17:35 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <265ntf$fki@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> hi, i often use a program (ok, you got me, it's nethack) that uses the vt100 extended graphics characters. None of the standard next fonts seem to have the right character mapping. Someone has to have done this; can someone give me a pointer? thanks, danno -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do with a cube with no monitor Date: 2 Sep 1993 21:22:53 GMT Organization: U of Michigan, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <265o7d$fo0@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> <1993Aug29.190039.14508@relief.com> In article <1993Aug29.190039.14508@relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.com writes: >In article <25peui$9ps@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz >(Kerry Guise) writes: >> We have just been offered three cubes at what we hope will be a ridiculous >> price. The catch is they have no monitors. No problem - we just want to >> use them for print-serving and file-serving tasks - or is it ? My >You should be able to run the cubes headless, but its a little tricky. You >need a way to emulate the power-on switch on the keyboard, but this can be >done with a simple push-button switch and a db-15 connector. There's an another problem you'll run into when trying to run the machines as print servers is that the window server needs to be running to use a NeXT printer (that's where the postscript interpretation happens for both the screen and the printer). it's not entirely clear to me that the window server ever gets started up if you run the machine without a monitor (or at least without something that looks to the monitor port like a monitor...not sure what that'd be but you get the idea), and without that sserver you won't be able to print to a next printer. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Contact Info for Goldleaf Date: 2 Sep 1993 21:37:01 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <265p1t$no4@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Sep2.175835.13950@nb.rockwell.com> Anybody got contact info for Goldleaf? They're the eXTRASET/Imagesetter people, whose software/hardware imagesetter combo won the NeXTWorld BOB award for Peripherals. Thanks, Nevin
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got a BBS package up and running... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 14:59:00 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-020993145900@17.220.88.2> References: <26571t$lvt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> In article <26571t$lvt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) wrote: > > Any body got a BBS package up and running on their NeXTStation. > I'd like to find one with interactive Internet access as well > as out going modem access. please email any ideas... By chance I just called Coconut Computing this morning, who puts out Coconet conferencing software, to request a brochure. They said they plan to have it running on Intel as soon as NeXT fixes the damn serial port problems. Call them at 619-456-2002 for details. Anyone else, please post additional info here, since I would like to find out the options myself. Thnx. -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ I neither confirm nor deny the presence of any disclaimer at this juncture
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: VOC to snd converter Message-ID: <CCqHE5.1wL@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:51:41 GMT Hi is there such a thing as a VOC to snd sound file converter that runs on NeXTSTEP? --- Fred Schenkelberg fms@chemelex.com -- Fred Schenkelberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Man pages in Edit Message-ID: <1993Sep2.184246.6840@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) Date: 2 Sep 93 18:42:45 CST References: <1993Sep2.185308.4215@altsys.com> Organization: As little as I can get away with... In article <1993Sep2.185308.4215@altsys.com>, Lorin Rivers III <lorinr@altsys.com> wrote: >Howcum when I type man in the terminal I get the man entry but when I >try it in edit, (using the Utilities.../Manual... menu) the same man >entry says ``no manual entry for (whatever)''? I am using the command >correctly, so my guess is the path is correctly set in ~/.cshrc but >Edit uses a different path setting somewhere else. Any clues out >there? > >Thanks! > > > >-- >Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com >NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 >269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected >Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss I've been wondering about this too, but I haven't had time to look into it. Does anyone know if there is a MANPATH variable for the Workspace? I keep a couple of man pages in ~/Unix/man/man1; Edit.app can't find them.
From: bohlkejh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jon H. Bohlke II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: VOC to snd converter Date: 3 Sep 1993 01:58:31 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Message-ID: <2668c7$4r5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <CCqHE5.1wL@chemelex.com> In article <CCqHE5.1wL@chemelex.com> fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) writes: > Hi is there such a thing as a VOC to snd sound file converter that runs on > NeXTSTEP? Check out GISO, it is a front end for sox Jon Bohlke
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kapela@poly.edu (Theodore S. Kapela) Subject: NS/IP on Mylex MB w/Prodesigner IIs SVGA? Message-ID: <CCrC64.78r@poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University, New York Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 02:56:27 GMT I've checked the FAQ's and hardware compatibility guides, but found no other info. Is NextStep 486 compatible with Mylex EISA motherboards? I have had no problems running various other OS's (including 386BSD and Linux). Also, Is it compatible with an Orchid Prodesigner IIs? I have found this card to be *very* compatible with OS's and Applications. I haven't found an ET4000AX driver that doesn't work yet (and I've tried many) Just wondering, since this is the platform I'd like to run NS/IP on, but I'm having a problem getting the install floppy to boot. After the Mach Kernel is loaded, a few lines are displayed on the screen and the machine reboots. This happens too fast to read (even when I have all caches disabled, and all speeds turned down as slow as possible). There is also a BusLogic (formerly bustek) 747s (which is listed as being compatible) SCSI-2 controller, which is the only other adapter installed. Any help/comments would be greately appreciated. -- Theodore S. Kapela Center for Applied Large-Scale Computing Polytechnic University kapela@poly.edu
From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Quick & dirty "dock extender" Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Sep2214105@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: 3 Sep 93 01:41:03 GMT References: <CEDMAN.93Sep2092120@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1993Sep2.202616.12208@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University In-Reply-To: jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org's message of 2 Sep 93 20:26:16 GMT To: jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) Originator: news@nimaster In article <1993Sep2.202616.12208@linus.mitre.org> jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: In article <CEDMAN.93Sep2092120@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <1993Sep1.223725.26310@Princeton.EDU> serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU writes: > In article <1993Sep1.153052.1652@afs.com> Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael > Pizolato) writes: > > If you only want to launch additional apps, and don't want any other > > feature of a dock extender, do this: > > > > dwrite Workspace LaunchPaths "anyExecutableFile;anyOtherExecutableFile" > > > > for example, mine: > > In 3.1, WorkSpace Services has an "Edit LaunchPaths ..." facility. > > Are you sure that this is a 3.1 WorkSpace service ? Here I've it > listed as a TickleServices service, albeit under the Workspace submenu. I for one am sure - I have it working under 2.1 Workspace (as well as 3.0), without TickleServices anywhere near my machine. Very mysterious. I don't have a 3.0 or 2.1 machine here, but 'Edit LaunchPaths' appears nowhere in any of the 3.1 files. Are you quite certain that TickleServices is not on your machines ? For example, isn't it listed if you do a 'dread Workspace LaunchPaths' ? What are the other items in that "Workspace" service submenu ? Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: ed@cubx.com (Erik Dasque) Subject: Kapiti Limited, makers of FIST - The Complete Dealing Room System Message-ID: <1993Sep2.085112.5929@cubx.com> Keywords: Kapiti, FIST, Complete Dealing Room System, Where, Where on earth ? Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 08:51:12 GMT Hi, I am looking for a contact number for Kapiti Limited, makers of FIST - The Complete Dealing Room System. The number in the OBJECTWARE catalog (page 55) : (071) 587 0033 doesn't seem to correspond to any country or location on the planet Earth. Does anyone know if this company actually exist ? Ed -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" Cub'x Systemes only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... ed@cubx.com It all started 2 full back-up ago...
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 1 Sep 1993 12:04:53 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <261vkl$1d9@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> <260on2INN5iv@clem.handheld.com> <2614ji$jk6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) wrote >I would compile the app for you, but I cannot make NS/Intel binaries. >In the meantime, if you have a non-NS partition on your machine I >suggest getting one of the free newsreaders for that OS. Perhaps >someone could toss a compiled version on the archives for those >without the full NS release? > >If you have access to a Unix machine elsewhere, I suggest compiling nn >or trn. I think nn is a great newsreader, quite quick and now there's >a version that uses a growing header database standard (instead of >using it's own unique header database). NFS mounting the database is >easy to do with nn and the interface is quite good for a CLI app. If I get enough replies I shall build a trn3.2 MAB for everybody providing they have their SPOOLDIR as /usr/local/spool/news and the NEWSDIR as /usr/local/news If we can standardize those too I will build trn for everybody. NN is rubbish (no offence Jeffo) compared to trn and trn can be used like nn just press = in the thread selector. I've shyed away from NOV since it requires a lot of stuffing around to get going and since I only run 1 newsreader at a time I don't need the standard. Cheers.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RFD: comp.sys.next.logintiffs Date: 1 Sep 1993 14:45:21 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <26291h$443@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <262380$g1c@news.doit.wisc.edu> Boy, the rate at which Jess is going at this stuff we will soon have a new group :-)
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 3 Sep 1993 05:52:35 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <266m33$icr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> <260on2INN5iv@clem.handheld.com> <2614ji$jk6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <261vkl$1d9@steffi.demon.co.uk> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Robert Nicholson writes: >If we can standardize those too I will build trn for everybody. NN is rubbish >(no offence Jeffo) compared to trn and trn can be used like nn just press = in >the thread selector. No offence taken, I think it's great that there are enough readily available newsreaders so everyone can pick what they like. >I've shyed away from NOV [..] Has anyone heard any news on NOV becoming a more solidly defined standard? Last I read comments were still being taken on how to improve the format. It would probably make quite a difference at sites like local student sites where there are many newsreaders simultaneously being used to read the same news articles from the same news host.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.next.logintiffs Date: 3 Sep 1993 01:53:49 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <266m5d$6lp@digifix.digifix.com> References: <26291h$443@steffi.demon.co.uk> Robert Nicholson writes > Boy, the rate at which Jess is going at this stuff we will > soon have a new group :-) > [ this is intended to be humour! ] Yeah! Actually, I already contacted the 'supposed' Jess Anderson who is making all these login tiffs. He CLAIMS that he is infact the Jess Anderson who has been around for ever, and denies the suggestion that he was actually a replacement Jess provided by the pod people. [jealousy on] The reason that he can spend all this time making login tiffs is because he has a wicked fast ISDN connection now. <drool drool> [jealousy off] However there is hope, there was a burst of the old Jess a couple of days ago, and he even said he had some Stuart windows open! Since its not likely he could be doing any real tiff editing from the command line, we can only hope that this is a sign of progress! :-) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Soundblaster() support? ( 3rd request) Message-ID: <CCrJ6D.Iu5@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 05:27:48 GMT Does anyone know if NeXT (or any company!) plans to provide support for the SoundBlaster-16 in 3.x ? There is an odd silence regarding this issue. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Is it TickleServices editing my launchpaths? (was: Quick & dirty dock ...) Message-ID: <1993Sep3.064203.24748@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <1993Sep2.202616.12208@linus.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 06:42:03 GMT In article <1993Sep2.202616.12208@linus.mitre.org> jblue@ocotillo.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: > > > > In 3.1, WorkSpace Services has an "Edit LaunchPaths ..." facility. > > > > Are you sure that this is a 3.1 WorkSpace service ? Here I've it > > listed as a TickleServices service, albeit under the Workspace submenu. > > > > Carl Edman > > I for one am sure - I have it working under 2.1 Workspace (as well as 3.0), > without TickleServices anywhere near my machine. > It's a TickleServices utility on my machine, and I can't find any non-tickle service version of it ... When I selected edit launchpaths, the TickleServices menu came up as further evidence, of course I looked in the .ts files I have and found it there. I wonder where it is without Tickle Services. Hmmm .... Summary: TickleServices is great. Buy tickleservices. I'm addicted to TickleServices. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@angst.com (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Sep2.235805.3491@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production References: <dalCCqIuG.6xB@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 23:58:05 GMT In article <dalCCqIuG.6xB@netcom.com> dal@netcom.com (Dana Andre Letendre) writes: > We've had 3.1 for Black Hardware installed here for a few months > and none of my users has ever reported running out of processes. > These computers are on 24 hours a day, 5 days a week and used > heavily. There are several NFS mounted volumes on every computer > along with cd-roms on a few computers. There is a Netware and SNA > gateway on the network also. > > It seems like you should do some more investigating before saying > disparaging remarks about NS, we've never had any problems. > > Dana Letendre > Bank of America System Administrator > Yikes! To prove to yourself that one can indeed exceed the number of processes allotted to each user (there can be an arbitrarily large number of processes running systemwide), try the following. 1. Copy many files from Newsgrazer, by dragging. I do this to my home directory, which is NFS mounted, but I'm not sure that's pertinent. 2. It takes you more than 50 files, but you'll eventually be stopped by either running out of processes, or by a Workspace Alert panel informing you of an internal error 10000000. This is a bug NeXT has confirmed exists in Workspace.app and will be corrected in 3.2. No disparagement, I hope. Just the unvarnished facts. Regards, Dylan -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: takahasi@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (TAKAHASHI Shin) Subject: NS/FIP disk space? Message-ID: <TAKAHASI.93Sep3202639@audrey.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Organization: Dept. of Info. Sci., Fac. of Sci., U. of Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@isnews.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Usenet News System) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 11:26:39 GMT I am looking for a list of (exact) hard disk space required to install NS/FIP modules. Does anyone e-mail me a copy of that list? Thanks in advance. -- Shin Takahashi (takahasi@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Department of Information Science, Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.next.logintiffs Date: 3 Sep 1993 12:41:57 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <267e2l$pa1@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <262380$g1c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <26291h$443@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <26291h$443@steffi.demon.co.uk>, Robert Nicholson <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Boy, the rate at which Jess is going at this stuff we will >soon have a new group :-) Over the weekend we might see some beasts. Scanned some neat-o pix of wolves, a panda, a whale breaching, and other wild things last night. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [> To his dog, every man is Napoleon; hence the constant popularity of dogs. <]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.next.logintiffs Date: 3 Sep 1993 12:49:00 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <267efs$paa@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <26291h$443@steffi.demon.co.uk> <266m5d$6lp@digifix.digifix.com> In article <266m5d$6lp@digifix.digifix.com>, Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> wrote: > Actually, I already contacted the 'supposed' Jess Anderson who is >making all these login tiffs. He CLAIMS that he is infact the Jess Anderson >who has been around for ever, and denies the suggestion that he was actually >a replacement Jess provided by the pod people. People who talk about the pods usually get in very serious trouble, young man. > [jealousy on] > > The reason that he can spend all this time making login tiffs is >because he has a wicked fast ISDN connection now. <drool drool> > > [jealousy off] Please, no drooling on the equipment, laddie. It ain't *that* fast, not like your basic ethernet by a long shot. It takes a whole minute to move a megabyte over the wire. (Sadism for the 2400-bps-impaired, heh heh.) > However there is hope, there was a burst of the old Jess a couple of >days ago, and he even said he had some Stuart windows open! Since its not >likely he could be doing any real tiff editing from the command line, we >can only hope that this is a sign of progress! Having Stuart windows open (my neighbor Stuart has windows open as I write) is *always* a good idea, albeit a somewhat Hessian one. This tickle service brought to you by the notorious posting AI of Madison, WI. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [> To his dog, every man is Napoleon; hence the constant popularity of dogs. <]
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got a BBS package up and running... Date: 3 Sep 1993 14:02:00 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <267ioo$kpq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> So that means no sign of a '0x0 version? CW -- Ryan Wiegner aj681 on Cleveland Freenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: dlgover@dlgsys.cuc.ab.ca (Donald L. Gover) Subject: Cirrus logic video how???? Message-ID: <1993Sep2.201715.834@dlgsys.cuc.ab.ca> Organization: DLG Systems Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 20:17:15 GMT I'm trying to run NS For Intel with a Cirrus logic GD542X board and a view sonic 6FS monitor. All works ok in 640x480 mode the H/W guide states that this should run in 1024x768 2 bit grey. When I enable the Cirrus logic driver I get the 1024x768 but there are vertical bars at the top and bottom of the screen as if the monitor can't sync. Any ideas as to what is wrong here??? Don.... -- ============================================================================= Donald L. Gover New Era Systems Services PHONE: (403) 231-9818 INTERNET: DLGover@dlgsys.cuc.ab.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: AppleTalk for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Sep3.141608.12334@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 14:16:08 GMT I know that the AppleTalk support was dropped from 3.1, but did it ever appear in any of the (Intel) beta versions of NS? If so, would someone please NeXTmail me the package (to charlie@technosci.com) so I can play with it. Thanks very much in advance, Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: kermit kill system Message-ID: <1993Sep3.142408.12521@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: kermit, NS/FIP Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 14:24:08 GMT Sometimes when I start kermit (under 3.1 on Intel) the system bombs with the following message: [The .kermrc file just sets the line as /dev/cua at 4800 baud, 8 bit and no parity.] Raise RDP exception 2 code d subcode 657 60000 Waiting RDP connection (type 'c' to continue) Of course, typing 'c' does nothing and I need to reboot. Any ideas on what's going on? Thanks, Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Re: Quick & dirty "dock extender" Message-ID: <1993Sep3.135816.836@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com References: <CEDMAN.93Sep2214105@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 13:58:16 GMT Carl Edman & others write [discussion of where "Edit Launch Paths" service comes from deleted] I got an e-mail about this from Scott Hess, the author of TickleServices, and the "Edit Launch Paths" service _definitely_ comes from TickleServices. In fact, the whole Services->Workspace submenu is from TickleServices and not from Workspace itself. However, you don't have to have TickleServices for the dwrite I originally described to work, because the LaunchPaths default is a feature of Workspace, not of TickleServices. Thanx, Michael P.S. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't get TickleServices. Apart from "Edit Launch Paths" it provides a whole bunch of great services, and you can easily write your own. It's really an amazing utility. -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Subject: Re: Man pages in Edit Message-ID: <1993Sep3.084009.734@aplki.toppoint.de> Keywords: man, Edit.app, sh Sender: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Organization: Andreas Ploeger References: <1993Sep2.185308.4215@altsys.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 08:40:09 GMT In article <1993Sep2.185308.4215@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > Howcum when I type man in the terminal I get the man entry but when I > try it in edit, (using the Utilities.../Manual... menu) the same man > entry says ``no manual entry for (whatever)''? I am using the command > correctly, so my guess is the path is correctly set in ~/.cshrc but > Edit uses a different path setting somewhere else. Any clues out > there? > Edit starts /bin/sh, so the place to put MANPATH would be ~/.profile. Unfortunately this file won't be read, so what I did was to write my own version of 'man' and place it in /usr/local/bin: #!/bin/sh # Localized Version of 'man' /usr/ucb/man -M '/usr/man:/usr/local/man' $* Not very elegant but it works very well. Greetings, Andreas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de
From: garity@MATH.ORST.EDU (Dennis Garity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: CDPlayer.app Date: 3 Sep 1993 17:52:15 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <26808f$9sf@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Keywords: CDPlayer, CDROM I couldn't find this in the FAQ, so I'll ask here. I just installed the 3.1 operating system, and can't get CDPlayer.app to work. Logged in as root, the app starts up and appears to be playing a CD, but no sound comes out. Logged in as myself, the app can't find the CD ROM drive. I checked and CDPlayer.app is owned by root with group wheel. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Dennis Garity Mathematics Department Oregon State University
From: dataprod@nic.cerf.net (Chuck Benson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.att,comp.sys.mips,comp.unix.xenix.sco Subject: Re: Windows NT For UNIX Developers Date: 3 Sep 1993 19:52:32 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Message-ID: <2687a0$4bd@news.cerf.net> References: <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> In article <25p6iu$daq@neomimsy.cs.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <36.UUL1.3#20500@fedunix.org> mmann@fedunix.org (Marshall Mann) writes: >> you'll use point 'n click and drag 'n drop to create 95% of an application's code. > ^^^ > >I always suspected that all but 5% of my applications code was >unnecessary crud that could be replaced by a few mouse clicks. >Must be true if Microsoft says its so. > >-- >Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted No, they just mean that your 5-10K line program will grow to 50-100k lines if you try to use a Windows NT interface coded to Microsoft's suggestions. From my experiences with MS-Windows I expect this to be about right :-( -- ===================================================================== | Chuck Benson | cbenson@dpc.com | (818)887-8173 | Mgr Engr Computer | | All opinions are my own unless otherwise stated| Systems | ================================================== Dataproducts |
From: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got a BBS package up and running... Date: 3 Sep 1993 20:24:17 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <26895h$d2m@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <26571t$lvt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> In article <26571t$lvt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) writes: > > > Any body got a BBS package up and running on their NeXTStation. > I'd like to find one with interactive Internet access as well > as out going modem access. please email any ideas... > CW > -- I've been able to compile: * Eagles BBS * Prates BBS * mbox/Ix (I think that's what it's called) * Waffle * Citadel None of them were really great, but I think I'll end up sticking with Waffle since I had to pay for it! The only source code that I saved after modification was Eagles, so please don't ask for sources. -jason ___________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: gt5870c@prism.gatech.EDU (Noah White) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next mailing list software?? Message-ID: <111431@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 3 Sep 93 20:54:15 GMT Organization: Universal Exports Is there any NeXT specific applications for running a mailing list (automated) from a NeXT Cube. -Noah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stephane@planon.qc.ca Subject: Re: Contact Info for Goldleaf Message-ID: <1993Sep3.173522.395@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: stephane@CAM.ORG!planon References: <265p1t$no4@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 17:35:22 GMT Lauren Flanegan or John Fox Phone: 800-999-8844 or 415-257-4700 email: info@goldleaf.com In article <265p1t$no4@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) writes: > Anybody got contact info for Goldleaf? > > They're the eXTRASET/Imagesetter people, whose software/hardware > imagesetter combo won the NeXTWorld BOB award for Peripherals. > > Thanks, > > Nevin > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Email address for WordPerfect? Message-ID: <sean-030993150533@128.187.73.66> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 3 Sep 93 15:06:30 -0700 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc References: <262vcm$bfr@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University In article <262vcm$bfr@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) wrote: > > > I'm looking for the internet address for Wordperfect. Anyone have it? it's foo_bar@wordperfect.com, where foo is somebody's first name and bar is his last name. Try Alan Ashton! (he's the owner/president of WP) ____________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu ____________________________________________________________
From: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Probably an FAQ,No Recycler On 2nd HD? Date: 3 Sep 1993 21:11:59 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Math, Statistics and Computer Science Message-ID: <268buv$g6e@spool.mu.edu> Hello, This is probably an FAQ, but what do I need to do to an initialized second SCSI HD on 3.0 to get a recycler? Thanks, Alec -- Alec Ellsworth Marquette University Dental School alec@carie.mcs.mu.edu NeRD #3859
From: mckelvey@suite.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 3 Sep 1993 20:33:52 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <2689ng$qkd@bilbo.suite.com> References: <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > In article <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess > Anderson) writes: > > > Well, lemma tell ya, I am goddamn FUCKING bored to shit with > > running out of processes in an hour or two of using my > > computer. I have *work* to do here, and the current OS is a > > real piece of crap. Who the fuck wants to log out and log > > in twenty times a goddamn day? > > What is it that you do in a given day that uses so many processes? I like to > think I'm a busy guy, I run maybe a dozen or so apps in a given day, many of > them concurrently, plus quite a number of background tasks and so forth and > I'm only up to 65 processes (12 of them mach-tasks). > What NeXT told me is, the process leak occurs when you move, copy, or delete files in the Workspace. -- A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes, but to get in accord with them; they are legitimately what directs his conduct in the world. - Sigmund Freud Jim McKelvey mckelvey@suite.com
From: t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd M. Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where can I find Stuart.app? Date: 2 Sep 93 10:22:38 Organization: Chrysler Financial, MIS, Center Line, MI Message-ID: <T9116TS.93Sep2102238@litespeed.tech.mis.cfc.com> References: <26262u$ivr@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In-reply-to: dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu's message of 1 Sep 1993 12:54:54 GMT In article <26262u$ivr@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) writes: >Does anyone know where I can find Stuart.app? Can someone send me a copy >via NeXTmail? And a related question for Scott Hess: Is an Intel version planned, Scott? Todd -- Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - Chrysler Financial, Centerline, MI "Life is a diamond we turn into dust..." - Rush
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) Subject: LogoutHook not working Message-ID: <1993Sep3.155954.19301@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Keywords: LogoutHook login loginwindow Sender: news@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: sps Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 15:59:54 GMT I have a NeXTstation Turbo Color running 3.0 and LogoutHook doesn't work. I get the following from dread: > dread -l | grep login loginwindow ImageFile /Local/reed/Library/images/login.tiffs.3.0/chuang_tsu.5.tiff loginwindow LogoutHook /Local/reed/Unix/bin/random.logins loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES > 1. Am I doing something wrong? 2. The random.logins script works fine when I run it from a terminal window but not from cron. Why is that? Any help would be appreciated. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Tim Reed Motorola SPS PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85284 Fax: 602-897-3549
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Sep3.135934.20934@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <dalCCqIuG.6xB@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 13:59:34 GMT In article <dalCCqIuG.6xB@netcom.com> dal@netcom.com (Dana Andre Letendre) writes: >We've had 3.1 for Black Hardware installed here for a few months >and none of my users has ever reported running out of processes. >These computers are on 24 hours a day, 5 days a week and used >heavily. There are several NFS mounted volumes on every computer >along with cd-roms on a few computers. There is a Netware and SNA >gateway on the network also. > >It seems like you should do some more investigating before saying >disparaging remarks about NS, we've never had any problems. > >Dana Letendre >Bank of America System Administrator It seems that the 'no more processes' is directly related to doing file operations in Workspace, which I have personally experienced. Unless, in one particular login session, you move many many files with Workspace, you'll never see the problem. Since I almost always move files at the command line, I've only experienced it once. Those of you who experience it often should try using the command line to move files. As far as I can find out, this Workspace thread leak is fixed in 3.2. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: Kapiti Limited, makers of FIST - The Complete Dealing Room System Message-ID: <1993Sep3.140343.21002@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <1993Sep2.085112.5929@cubx.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 14:03:43 GMT In article <1993Sep2.085112.5929@cubx.com> ed@cubx.com (Erik Dasque) writes: >Hi, > >I am looking for a contact number for Kapiti Limited, makers of FIST - The >Complete Dealing Room System. The number in the OBJECTWARE catalog (page >55) : (071) 587 0033 doesn't seem to correspond to any country or location >on the planet Earth. > >Does anyone know if this company actually exist ? > >Ed >-- >Erik Dasque "The French Guy" >Cub'x Systemes only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... >ed@cubx.com It all started 2 full back-up ago... Erik, Well now, that was DUMB of them. '071' is the internal way to dial city codes inside England. Replace '071' with '011-44-71'. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Suggestion for NeXT (Was: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform?) Message-ID: <CCqr8p.1uq@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! References: <GISLI.93Sep1091322@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:24:24 GMT > Alternatively, you could try to get your hands on emacs (I understand > that the User release comes without emacs, which is a travesty). If > I'm not mistaken, a compiled version exists on nova.cc.purdue.edu. > With emacs you could run GNUS, the emacs newsreader (which you would > have to get separately). As far as I know all the GNU stuff that NeXT uses (especially gcc and emacs) are under the GNU Public License and as such can be copied incl. source code and NeXT's changes by anyone. So all those with access to only the user version of NEXTSTEP are technically allowed to get this stuff. Also at least some of the man pages should be availlable this way. Why doesn't NeXT include the GNU part of the developer's version into the user version? You would not have to pay royalities, and anyone (including those without even a NS user license) is allowed to get it. Maybe you could even sell some more NEXTSTEP user versions, since you can say that your compiler is included. Anyone knows that he pays much for the Interface Builder etc, and I'm not saying that you should include this one into the user version. Bye, Uli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.next.misc,comp.sys.next From: kapela@poly.edu (Theodore S. Kapela) Subject: NS/IP install in endless reboot - HELP Message-ID: <CCsxsq.4qB@poly.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next Organization: Polytechnic University, New York Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 23:41:13 GMT I've been trying to install NeXTStep 486 on a Northgate 486/33 EISA tower. Configuration: 33MHz Mylex 486 EISA motherboard 8 MB Ram 5 1/4" floppy 3 1/2" floppy 340MB IDE hard drive Buslogic 747S Fast SCSI-2 Toshiba 330 CDROM Orchid Prodesigner IIs SVGA w/1MB ram (ET4000AX) PS/2-style Microft mouse. I have disabled and unplugged the 5 1/4" floppy, and made the 3 1/2" drive A: When the boot starts, I get the boot: prompt, and I hit <return>. The Mach kernel loads, and starts. A few lines are displayed, and the machine reboots almost immediately. After slowing everything down as much as possible, I still can't read what is on the display. I have used various other OS's, including DOS (yuck), MS windows, 386BSD and Linux. Nothing else has had any problems. I've experimented with almost every possible configuration and combination of jumber settings. I tried booting with "config=Default", but this resulted in lots of messages about other Default config files not being found. After pressing a key, the machine reboots again. A call to Northgate Tech Support resulted in the response "What do you want to run???". It seems they only know DOS. 32MB ram is on the way, and I may be upgrading the video card, but I want to know if it is worth continuing trying to get NS/IP running. I'd really like to see it going on this machine. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- Theodore S. Kapela Center for Applied Large-Scale Computing Polytechnic University kapela@poly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Message-ID: <CCu276.EE9@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 14:11:59 GMT I have (and use daily) tin compiled fat, if anyone is interested. Source and binary are in separate packages. peter -- The trouble with an impressionist, he looks at a log And he doesn't know who he is, standing, staring at this log... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
From: haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <713@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 4 Sep 93 16:29:13 GMT References: <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <2689ng$qkd@bilbo.suite.com> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <2689ng$qkd@bilbo.suite.com> mckelvey@suite.com writes: [earlier stuff munched] > >What NeXT told me is, the process leak occurs when you move, copy, or delete >files in the Workspace. > It doesn't seem to me that this can be the whole story: in the last few days I have moved/deleted probably 30,000 files -- often as many as 4000 at a time -- all in the workspace, and I have never run out of processes. OTOH, I haven't done thousands (or even hundreds) of *separate* workspace move or delete operations in a single session. Could that be it? John
From: rashid@remus.rutgers.edu (Navruze Rashid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where can I get NeXTStep edu? Message-ID: <Sep.4.13.01.01.1993.12293@remus.rutgers.edu> Date: 4 Sep 93 17:01:01 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace Distribution: usa Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. My school doesn't carry NSi edu, so where can I get it? Sorry if this has been rehashed; (actually, I'm hoping some reseller here on the net will contact me ;)) Thanks, Ruze rashid@remus.rutgers.edu --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fleminmk@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Michael K Fleming) Subject: Re: kermit kill system Message-ID: <fleminmk.747180231@feserve.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: kermit, NS/FIP Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Sep3.142408.12521@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 22:03:51 GMT fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: >Sometimes when I start kermit (under 3.1 on Intel) the system bombs >with the following message: [The .kermrc file just sets the line >as /dev/cua at 4800 baud, 8 bit and no parity.] > Raise RDP exception 2 code d subcode 657 60000 > Waiting RDP connection (type 'c' to continue) >Of course, typing 'c' does nothing and I need to reboot. >Any ideas on what's going on? Yup. I suffer from the same affliction. More exactly, I suffer from crashing problem whenever--and almost exclusively whenever--I touch the serial ports in NS/FIP. If you think kermit is bad, try putting a getty on one of the ports. You lose. If you're just having the problem sometime, feel lucky. It's simply not possible for me to run kermit without crashing in some manner. When you hear people say "the NS/FIP serial drivers are bad", believe them. It would be better if they just left them out of 3.1! BTW: are you using a 16550 serial card (I am)? I'm not sure if it makes a differance. Mike Fleming >Thanks, >Charlie >-- > NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and > charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my > | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.text,comp.sys.next.misc From: Claes Magnusson <claes@well.sf.ca.us> Subject: Re: Mac type1 postscript fonts with UNIX (groff) Message-ID: <1993Sep4.221204.13188@nomina.lu.se> Sender: news@nomina.lu.se (USENET News System) Organization: Risky Business References: <1993Aug29.224336.4565@colorado.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 22:12:04 GMT In article <1993Aug29.224336.4565@colorado.edu> Eric R Jorgensen, jorgy@euclid.Colorado.EDU writes: >I'm trying to get some macintosh type1 fonts going with groff. I know >that this is possible, since someone was able to convert these fonts >for use with NeXT machines. I don't know about "groff", but I do know that we sucessfully have converted fonts to NeXT with the "Fontographer" package for Mac and that also have made some VAX conversions with "Ikarus", a german font creator tool. I think it was for some system using VMS. claesm@gemini.ldc.lu.se
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Yet More 3.1 Login Panels Date: 4 Sep 1993 23:37:48 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26b8sc$9i2@news.doit.wisc.edu> As promised and still only monochrome, another collection of login panel tiffs for NeXTstep 3.1. These are all wonderful wild beasts in natural habitats: African lions, a humpback whale, a panda, and a series of wolves. Nothing too tricky in the way of mounting, but I hope not too dull either. Please enjoy looking at them every time you log out (which if you hit process limits as often as I do will be often :-). Obtain them by anonymous ftp from yak.macc.wisc.edu, 144.92.30.18, directory pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1, files wild_animals.tar and associated README. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------------------> Do nothing, and leave nothing undone. <------------------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: uudecoding multiple packages Message-ID: <1993Sep4.210013.1774@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 21:00:13 GMT Hello all, I just downloaded the DataPhile by an ftp e-mail server. To my surprise I received abou 340 mails in my mailbox. Is there a trick to joining all these files into one so I can uudecode it? And I mean wihout cutting and pasting. Please reply by e-mail. thanks. Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rogers@cs.uchicago.edu (John D. Rogers) Subject: Mail sounds Message-ID: <1993Sep5.013950.10835@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic & Public Computing Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 01:39:50 GMT Is there a "biff"-like application for the NeXT that will play different sounds depending on the sender? I guess I'm looking for something like xbiff++. Please e-mail responses as I don't read this group very often. Thanks! -- John Rogers rogers@cs.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: help - can't move any windows...... Message-ID: <1993Sep5.023821.9684@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:38:21 GMT Hi, I have this problem recently after I left the NeXT(cube with NS3.1) on for two days. None of the window can be moved and I have to power on/off to resolve this.... Anybody know what is wrong?? Thanks in advance, Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? Message-ID: <thompsonCCv13B.3uv@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:47:34 GMT My brother has a Duo 210, I have a NeXT (color turbo, running 3.1 developer), so what do we need to get them networked and running AppleShare and all that good stuff? Thanks a million :-) Eric
From: david@jaffe.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI-interface for NeXT? Date: 5 Sep 1993 07:10:43 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <26c3dj$b1n@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Aug26.102822.2550@vaxc.aud.auc.dk> >Using the Altech MIDIFace LX (for the Mac) seems to be > impossible although the NeXT docs claims that any Mac-interface will do. NeXT never claimed that. Or at least not since the 040 came out (for the 030 it may have been true.) Only a very SMALL number of Mac-style interfaces will work. The best thing to do is to get an interface made for a NeXT, such as the one by Rupert Nieberle (in Berlin, Germany) or the one from Quest (in Vancouver, Canada). I also know that you can use an OpCode Studio 3 with a hacked cable (see the zs man page.) This is all for the black hardware only, needless to say. David A. Jaffe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Sep5.055505.6869@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <713@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 05:55:05 GMT In article <713@blue.cis.pitt.edu> haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) writes: > In article <2689ng$qkd@bilbo.suite.com> mckelvey@suite.com writes: > [earlier stuff munched] > > > >What NeXT told me is, the process leak occurs when you move, copy, or delete > >files in the Workspace. > > > > It doesn't seem to me that this can be the whole story: in the last few > days I have moved/deleted probably 30,000 files -- often as many as 4000 > at a time -- all in the workspace, and I have never run out of processes. > OTOH, I haven't done thousands (or even hundreds) of *separate* workspace > move or delete operations in a single session. Could that be it? > > John Bingo. The thread leak happens when FileMover.tool is invoked. It is only invoked once for each drag operation, no matter how many files are involved. If you do many separate drags, you get many separate leaks...... -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ems@its.com (Ted Shelton) Subject: Re: Kapiti Limited, makers of FIST - The Complete Dealing Room System Message-ID: <1993Sep4.221503.3161@its.com> Sender: ems@its.com Organization: Information Technology Solutions References: <1993Sep3.140343.21002@biztech.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 22:15:03 GMT You might also try contacting Xexos in London. They have a competitive product to Kapiti called ALICE -- which, for NeXT or NEXTSTEP shops works better than Kapiti (better OO interface) You can reach Mark Chamberlain at Xexos through email by writing to: marx@xexos.com Or call (from the US) 011-44-71-237-4535 In article <1993Sep3.140343.21002@biztech.com> anderson (Ken Anderson) writes: > In article <1993Sep2.085112.5929@cubx.com> ed@cubx.com (Erik Dasque) > writes: > >Hi, > >I am looking for a contact number for Kapiti Limited, makers of FIST - > The Complete Dealing Room System. The number in the OBJECTWARE catalog (page > >55) : (071) 587 0033 doesn't seem to correspond to any country or > location on the planet Earth. > >Does anyone know if this company actually exist ? > >Ed > >-- > >Erik Dasque "The French Guy" > >Cub'x Systemes only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... > >ed@cubx.com It all started 2 full back-up ago... > > Erik, > > Well now, that was DUMB of them. '071' is the internal way to > dial city codes inside England. Replace '071' with '011-44-71'. > > Ken Anderson > anderson@biztech.com > Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: uudecoding multiple packages Message-ID: <1993Sep5.063609.12458@black.toppoint.de> Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. References: <1993Sep4.210013.1774@cesar.uucp> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 06:36:09 GMT Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer, nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem, schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors. In <1993Sep4.210013.1774@cesar.uucp> pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) writes: >I just downloaded the DataPhile by an ftp e-mail server. >To my surprise I received abou 340 mails in my mailbox. >Is there a trick to joining all these files into one so I can uudecode it? >And I mean wihout cutting and pasting. There is a UNIX newsreader called nn, it runs in the Terminal.app window. nn is able to sort articles according to their Subject lines and to uudecode articles in batch. nn can read news, news folders (these are basically news arcticles concatenated into a single file) and mail folders. I regularly use nn to decode mail server output. Start up nn with your Mailbox: nn Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox If necessary set sort-mode and fsort (folder sort): :set sort-mode 1 :fsort and select all wanted articles. Then uudecode: :uudecode Directory: <desired dir> Decode which articles: <+ for all select ones> I have put the necessary commands into my .nn/init file and bound the :decode-Command to a key, I can uudecode mail server output within several seconds... (Well, minutes with 340 parts... :-) Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, 24114 Kiel 1, +49 431 676689 "Es gibt Leute, die glauben, dass X.400 die Zukunft gehoert. Und es gibt Leute, die hoffen, dass es so bleibt." -- Kristian Koehntopp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) Subject: Serial port drivers Message-ID: <mJye0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: artek@mindvox Keywords: still broken Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 17:02:57 GMT I posted a message describing my problems and extreme frustration at the constant system crashes associated with trying to use the serial ports on a Intel system running NeXTSTEP (at ANY speed, including 2400). I posted this message in the beginning of JULY. I subsequently received about 20 letters saying different things, most of which came down to "please be patient, a patch will be released mid-July." I in fact received these words from TWO SEPERATE people sending from next.com. It is now SEPTEMBER, I have been VERY PATIENT, I have controlled my anger and frustration and not given up on NS even if one of the primary things I need it for is to run SLIP and use a modem to connect to a company system from home. But it is now nearly 2 months after the promised fix date. I keep hearing that the drivers have been fixed and are now being tested. I put forth that NOTHING can possibly be worse than the drivers that exist right now, and I am getting very, VERY tired of being told that they are COMING REAL SOON NOW. I specifically purchased a Dell JAWS machine to evaluate NS after being told that NS Intel was primarily developed on the JAWS system because I wanted to be assured the maximum stability possible. This seems to have been a waste of time and money. NeXT, new serial port drivers are HIGHLY OVERDUE... Sincerely, Tired of the run-around
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Sep5.160142.6037@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <dalCCqIuG.6xB@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:01:42 GMT dal@netcom.com (Dana Andre Letendre) writes: >We've had 3.1 for Black Hardware installed here for a few months >and none of my users has ever reported running out of processes. >These computers are on 24 hours a day, 5 days a week and used >heavily. There are several NFS mounted volumes on every computer >along with cd-roms on a few computers. There is a Netware and SNA >gateway on the network also. >It seems like you should do some more investigating before saying >disparaging remarks about NS, we've never had any problems. Well, I've done some more investigating, so I'll make some disparaging remarks. :~) In my investigating, I seem to have reached the conclusion that doing anything in Workspace Manager that results in background tasks being spawned, is a sufficient condition to bring your black NS 3.1 system closer to the wall. If you keep doing things that cause background tasks (e.g. compressing or uncompressing files & directories, copying things to floppy disks [or anywhere else? I haven't specifically tested this yet, but another poster said dragging attachments out of Mail.app will produce the bug.]), you will eventually have an unusable system. If you're lucky enough to have an already-opened shell window, you can attempt to execute a UNIX command and you'll get the "no more processes" error message. This doesn't mean that there are too many processes running at this point, since there aren't. It is a bug with Workspace Manager, near as I can tell, that's hammering the process table somehow. I, too, was skeptical of this whole "out of processes" thread, at first. Then I upgraded a slab to NS 3.1 and starting using it. Didn't take long at all before it start hosing up on me, and for me to determine that, by gosh, it was out of processes! The above comments notwithstanding, I'd be more than happy for somebody to demonstrate conclusively to me that I'm not having the problem I'm having. My challenge is for anybody running NS 3.1 on black to repeatedly compress and uncompress a small directory, for example, and see how many time you can do it before things blow up, or you can reasonably conclude that things aren't going to die. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: e-mail address or phone number wanted Message-ID: <1993Sep5.185341.21772@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 18:53:41 GMT Hello All, Does anybody know FTP Software, Inc.'s e-mail address or phone number??? I just saw the information for PC/TCP Plus for DOS on the electronic appwrapper and it looks good. Thanks for the info, Dan? I just saw the information for PC/TCP Plus for DOS o
From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 5 Sep 1993 19:54:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research Message-ID: <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> It's a NeXTDimension for half the cost and with built-in camera. I know there must be some people at NeXT from the days of black hardware who are just itching to see NS run on studly video hardware again. Well, I can dream, can't I? --Glenn
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another Set of Wild Animals as Login Panels Date: 5 Sep 1993 21:11:58 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26dkmu$7jb@news.doit.wisc.edu> I've put up another set of wild animal photos as monochrome 3.1 login panel tiffs. This collection includes caribou, cheetahs, a Grant's gazelle, King penguins, a tiger (great!) and a couple zebras. These too come from a World Wildlife Fund calendar, and I hope they encourage you to contribute to the preservation of wild things and their habitats. Look on yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], directory pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1, for wildanimals2.tar and associated README. I've been looking at a book of drawings by Paul Cadmus; I think they would be very hard to do well, but we'll see. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----------> I still believe that people are really good at heart. <----------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) Subject: mail and host configuration Message-ID: <CCwInt.127@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 22:04:41 GMT I am connected to the net via ethernet and have been working on getting my machine to accept mail (it sends just fine). When anyone trys to send to me@helser18.res.iastate.edu, they will get: Received: from helser18.res.iastate.edu by po-5.iastate.edu id AA04992; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:43:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9309052143.AA04992@po-5.iastate.edu> Received: from iastate.edu (vincent2) by helser18.res.iastate.edu.iastate.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00159; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:43:09 GMT-0600 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:43:09 GMT-0600 From: Mailer-Agent@iastate.edu (NeXT Mail Agent) Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable To: <sela@iastate.edu> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to helser18.res: >>> HELO helser18.res.iastate.edu.ia <<< 553 helser18.res.iastate.edu.ia host name configuration error 554 <me@helser18.res.iastate.edu>... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- Return-Path: <sela@iastate.edu> Received: from iastate.edu (vincent2) by helser18.res.iastate.edu.iastate.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00157; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:43:09 GMT-0600 Errors-To: <sela@iastate.edu> Received: by iastate.edu with sendmail-5.57/4.7 id <AA07857@iastate.edu>; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:43:38 -0500 From: sela@iastate.edu Message-Id: <9309052143.AA07857@iastate.edu> To: me@helser18.res.iastate.edu Subject: another test Date: Sun, 05 Sep 93 16:43:37 CDT another test sela at vincent ============================================ Can anybody help me? Brian sela@iastate.edu
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: help - can't move any windows...... Date: 5 Sep 1993 22:55:56 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: usa Message-ID: <26dqps$sla@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Sep5.023821.9684@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> In article <1993Sep5.023821.9684@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > I have this problem recently after I left the NeXT(cube with NS3.1) on for > two days. None of the window can be moved and I have to power on/off to > resolve this.... Anybody know what is wrong?? Something like this happened to me last week, it seems my Command key was stuck down. I tapped it a few times and it came unstuck, no problems since. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu NeXTcube #1302 / ND and proud of it. NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) Subject: need 2.1 sendmail (was: mail and host configuration) Message-ID: <CCwoJB.2oF@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <CCwInt.127@news.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 00:11:35 GMT Would some kind soul either mail me or tell me where I can find working sendmail files (ie sendmail.cf, etc.) for NS 2.1. I would be ever so grateful. Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! (HPs, DEC MTE) Message-ID: <1993Sep6.005944.29617@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 00:59:44 GMT In article <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > It's a NeXTDimension for half the cost and with built-in camera. I know > there must be some people at NeXT from the days of black hardware who are > just itching to see NS run on studly video hardware again. Legend has it that SGI discussed the matter with NeXT several years ago, but were sent packing. If so, it was a lose-lose decision IMO. Since then SGI has been moving Irix firmly into the SysV and X camp, sad to say. The Indy has it's own Indigo Magic GUI, which sounds like an attempt to copy a few good ideas from NEXTSTEP. Here's a hint as to how advanced the SGI GUI is: they just started to offer multimedia email and digital reference tools. Nice, but several years after NEXTSTEP. As for good video hardware to run NEXTSTEP on, I look forward to the HP-PA RISC port to those studly HP/apollo systems. In the short term, we've ordered a DEC MTE 486 system that features an S3-928 card, which can hold 4 MB of VRAM. If NeXT comes through as promised in the hardware guide, release 3.2 will support 1280x1024x16 bit color with that card. > Well, I can dream, can't I? Please continue to do so. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: "Kharim Hogan" <kharim@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Looking for MARTIN VETTER!!! Message-ID: <1993Sep5.203719.22198@news.cs.indiana.edu> Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 20:37:13 -0500 Hi, I received mail from Martin Vetter on the 4th of September who apparently got my name from one of the NeXT newsgroups. I've been trying to answer him at the address he gave me (mv@cs.tu-berlin.de) and it keeps bouncing back to me. If you're out there Martin, could you write to me again and perhaps give me another address to catch you at or let me know what's up with the address I have? Or if anybody else knows how I can find him, please let me know. Thanks, Kharim Hogan kharim@cs.indiana.edu
From: hkusumo@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Haris Kusumo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Writting program on NeXT Date: 3 Sep 1993 17:09:53 +1000 Organization: School of Computer Science, UTS Message-ID: <266qk1$d0p@saturn.socs.uts.edu.au> Summary: Writting program on NeXT Keywords: Writting program on NeXT Hi, there. I have a project, I just wondering if it is easier to develop it on NeXT than under OSF/Motif environment. So I need your help to tell me about developing application on NeXT. Can someone tell me some pro and con for writting program on NeXT system ? Can you tell me how easy to develop drag and drop application on NeXT, not building application using NeXT drag and drop facility/Apps builder. I haven't write any code or even seen objective-c code, is it hard to learn, (I am not a c++ programmer either). Does NeXT has combo box ? These are some of the thing I want to develop, can you tell me how hard is it to developed it on NeXT or is there any third party object that support it. - support drag and drop - draw tree diagram (similar to tree widget in Xt I think) - display some graphics - I don't know the name for this one, but I'll discribe it on the diagram below. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | <Screen/Window> | | | | +-----+ +------+ | | |emp +-----------+dept +--------+ | | +-----+ +------+ | +-------------+ | | | |Salary tbl | | | | +-------------+ | | +----| Dept id | | | +-------------+ | | | Salary | | | +-------------+ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The box for emp and dept is a push button, so when the button is press it expand to a popup window like Salary table and display all the Salary table fields. I also want to draw line to show the realations between tables. i.e. emp table is connected to dept table based on dept_id, since both of them is in iconify mode so there is only one or more connecting to the push button. If the table is in expanded form like Salary table the line should be drwan to the actual field, as shown on diagram above. Can you also tell me if I want to use Oracle database kit on Next, does tha oracle RDBMS has to reside on NeXT or I can use it to retrive Oracle data from other machine? Oh ya one last thing, Can any body tell me about the NeXT support ? (is it easy to get support from NeXT, how quickly is the response normaly, etc...). Thank in adavance for the reply.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: need 2.1 sendmail (was: mail and host configuration) Message-ID: <1993Sep6.052655.1870@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <CCwoJB.2oF@news.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 05:26:55 GMT In article <CCwoJB.2oF@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) writes: > > Would some kind soul either mail me or tell me where I can find working > sendmail files (ie sendmail.cf, etc.) for NS 2.1. I would be ever so > grateful. The sendmail in 2.1 was quite old. Perhaps obtaining a later version would be a good idea. I'm trying to get the newest Sendmail compiled, but first I have to get the newest make compiled, which seems to require the newest gcc, etc, etc, etc. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: alibaba@mindvox.phantom.com (Nick Mordanzo) Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <FH3F0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: alibaba@mindvox Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system References: <CCoCw9.DLB@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 07:25:38 GMT dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) writes: > The title says most of it. They were coming in mid-July, since this is > September I guess that SURPRISE, they are a little late. Since mid-July I > have been actively dissuading people who have any interest in using a > modem or ever hope to establish a SLIP link, from getting anywhere near > NS/FIP. > > Come on NeXT, please, it isn't brain surgery, as much as I realize that NS > is > not Linux, this would have been fixed long ago under that "unsupported" and > "non-commercial" environment. Yeah but does Linux have those pretty, shaded 3-d icons to look at? So you need to run fsck 10 times a day, its all a frustration threshold test, to see how much shit you can put up with before you say fuck this man and just stop booting the nexstep partition since the msdos one works just fine, sans artwork. $%$%$%$%$%$%$% ($) Ali Baba ($) %$%$%$%$%$%$%$
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) Subject: Re: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? Message-ID: <dgursky.747239646@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <thompsonCCv13B.3uv@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 14:34:06 GMT thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: >My brother has a Duo 210, I have a NeXT (color turbo, running 3.1 developer), >so what do we need to get them networked and running AppleShare and all that >good stuff? You've got a couple options here, and things to do at various levels. 1a - Install an Localtalk / Ethernet gateway between your NeXT and your Mac. Shiva used to (and I presume they still do) make a box called the Fastpath that does this, and there may be other, similar products on the market. Caymen used to make one called the Gatorbox which was generally regarded as inferior to the Shiva Fastpath. The function of this piece is to pass the Appletalk packets between the two different LANs. I'm not certain if these devices will also route the TCP/IP packets as well. 1b - Install an Ethernet card in a Duo Desktop Dock or an SCSI Ethernet interface on your brother's Powerbook's SCSI chain. This would directly connect your brother's machine on your local Ethernet. Be forwarned however - the SCSI bus on the Apple machines is set up to give priority to data packets to disk peripherals, so you will not see the same performance with an SCSI Ethernet interface as you would with a direct processor bus interface (NuBus or PDS) 2a - Install CAP or similar software on the NeXT. While NeXT shipped software to provide the Appletalk protocols with NEXTSTEP 3.0, I think they no longer do so with 3.1, so you will need to turn to other sources, one of which is CAP (the Columbia Appletalk Package) available at various sites on the Internet (you might try sumex-aim.stanford.edu in /pub/info-mac directories). Likewise, Mt. Xinu (that's Unix spelled backwards) publishes Appletalk software for a variety of Unix machines, and I think the NeXT is one. Does anyone know if the 3.0 Appletalk stuff still works with 3.1? In any event, this would allow your brother to publish all or part of his disk which could in turn be mounted on your NeXT. 2b - Install Intercon's NFS Share and TCP/IP software (either from Intercon or Apple) on your brother's Duo. This would then allow your brother to mount an NFS-published portion of the NeXT's disk. My recommendation is for 1b and 2b, which maximizes ease of installation and administration. CAP is free, but take much more effort to configure correctly than any of the parts of steps 1b and 2b. I vaguely recall that the Fastpath and Gatorboxes are fairly expensive pieces of equipment (~$1,500?) while something like Asantes Mini EN/SC SCSI-Ethernet interface is about the third of that cost. Just my $0.02... -- David M. Gursky MIME and NEXTMAIL accepted Synex, Inc. e-mail: .. dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org 5950 Symphony Woods Road voice: ............. (301) 621-5732 Columbia, MD 21044 fax: ............. (301) 621-6005 -- David M. Gursky MIME and NEXTMAIL accepted Synex, Inc. e-mail: .. dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org 5950 Symphony Woods Road voice: ............. (301) 621-5732 Columbia, MD 21044 fax: ............. (301) 621-6005
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: 32 bit video (was: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy!) Message-ID: <1993Sep6.054419.2282@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Sep6.005944.29617@cs.yale.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 05:44:19 GMT In article <1993Sep6.005944.29617@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: [discussion of NS on SGI hardware] > As for good video hardware to run NEXTSTEP on, I look forward to the HP-PA > RISC port to those studly HP/apollo systems. In the short term, we've > ordered a DEC MTE 486 system that features an S3-928 card, which can hold > 4 MB of VRAM. If NeXT comes through as promised in the hardware guide, > release 3.2 will support 1280x1024x16 bit color with that card. > > > Well, I can dream, can't I? > > Please continue to do so. As long as we're dreaming... NeXT says 32 bit is supported in 3.2. Any cards named/known to anyone? The Viper mentioned above, with 4 MB of RAM should theorically be able to do 1024x768 at 32 bits, since 2 MB is plenty for it at 16 bits. Just a thought... > -- > Nathan "USENET" Janette Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) Subject: ethernet number Message-ID: <CCxv5x.Eqz@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 15:32:21 GMT How does one find one's ethernet address? Brian sela@iastate.edu
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI-interface for NeXT? Message-ID: <CCw324.41o@infoserv.com> Date: 5 Sep 93 16:27:39 GMT References: <26c3dj$b1n@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Distribution: na Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <26c3dj$b1n@agate.berkeley.edu> david@jaffe.com writes: #>Using the Altech MIDIFace LX (for the Mac) seems to be #> impossible although the NeXT docs claims that any Mac-interface will do. # #NeXT never claimed that. Or at least not since the 040 came out (for the #030 it may have been true.) Only a very SMALL number of Mac-style #interfaces will work. The best thing to do is to get an interface made #for a NeXT, such as the one by Rupert Nieberle (in Berlin, Germany) or the #one from Quest (in Vancouver, Canada). # #I also know that you can use an OpCode Studio 3 with a hacked cable (see #the zs man page.) # #This is all for the black hardware only, needless to say. With the right cable most Mac interfaces will work . I have been using a MIDI Translator for the last year. Any interface that does not require power from the serail port will work. I have had connected to my cube a Midi Time Piece, Studio 3, and a Studio 2. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: James Hammett <jamesh@apple.com> Subject: Setting up NFS Sender: news@gallant.apple.com Message-ID: <1993Sep6.164828.17889@gallant.apple.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 16:48:28 GMT Organization: Apple Computer I currently am running NeXT Step 3 on a NeXT Station. I'm trying to set up NFS file serving so my Mac can mount the NeXT. The NFS/Share on the Mac sees the NeXT however it will not recognize any users or passwords. Any ideas. ----- Second Problem I can get my NeXT to see my Quadra as a file server, but can't get to open the Quadra. ----- Any help would be apreciated. thanks, James
From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 32 bit video Date: 6 Sep 1993 17:32:15 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- InterNetNews site Distribution: world Message-ID: <26fs6v$7i3@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <1993Sep6.054419.2282@imani.cam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back when I was in the DOS world (pre 1991), Hercules Graphics Corp, makers of the original standard for hires monochrome in PeeCeeLand, had a board for under $1K with a 512 X 512 X 32 mode. Surely things have improved since then? Anybody? In article <1993Sep6.054419.2282@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > In article <1993Sep6.005944.29617@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan > F. Janette) writes: > > [discussion of NS on SGI hardware] > > > As for good video hardware to run NEXTSTEP on, I look forward to the HP-PA > > RISC port to those studly HP/apollo systems. In the short term, we've > > ordered a DEC MTE 486 system that features an S3-928 card, which can hold > > 4 MB of VRAM. If NeXT comes through as promised in the hardware guide, > > release 3.2 will support 1280x1024x16 bit color with that card. > > > > > Well, I can dream, can't I? > > > > Please continue to do so. > > As long as we're dreaming... > > NeXT says 32 bit is supported in 3.2. Any cards named/known to anyone? The Viper > mentioned above, with 4 MB of RAM should theorically be able to do 1024x768 at 32 > bits, since 2 MB is plenty for it at 16 bits. > > Just a thought... > > > -- > > Nathan "USENET" Janette > > Ciao > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who < -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panels, Works by Paul Cadmus Date: 6 Sep 1993 19:20:01 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26g2h1$669@news.doit.wisc.edu> Seven works by the American painter and draughtsman Paul Cadmus are available as monochrome 3.1 login panels from me at yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1, file paul_cadmus.tar and associated README. What a pity that it's such a gross resolution and so few tones of grey, given the detail and sheen of Cadmus's work. I tried to choose items that would not be completely marred by the limitations of the medium we're working with. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----------> Missionaries: Making the world safe for hypocrisy. <------------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: richard@sfu.ca (Richard Chycoski) Subject: Re: Setting up NFS Message-ID: <1993Sep6.181250.13338@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <1993Sep6.164828.17889@gallant.apple.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:12:50 GMT In article <1993Sep6.164828.17889@gallant.apple.com> James Hammett <jamesh@apple.com> writes: > I currently am running NeXT Step 3 on a NeXT Station. I'm trying to > set up NFS file serving so my Mac can mount the NeXT. > > The NFS/Share on the Mac sees the NeXT however it will not recognize > any users or passwords. Any ideas. You need to run pcnfsd on the NeXT. Look in the documentation for NFS/Share for more info. > > Second Problem > > I can get my NeXT to see my Quadra as a file server, but can't get > to open the Quadra. Welcome to the club. The Appleshare protocols on the NeXT are braindead. The Novell protocols are only slightly more functional. I hope that some of this stuff is fixed up in 3.1! - Richard Chycoski Academic Computing Services Simon Fraser University richard@sfu.ca (NeXT Mail OK)
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Spell-checking humor Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1993 14:36:29 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-060993143629@17.220.88.2> Here's a spelling puzzle for you. Under 3.1, type 'motherboard' in edit and then check spelling. Is the word offered in the 'guess' window a reference to the origins of the word 'bug'? -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: Writting program on NeXT Message-ID: <1993Sep6.193757.246@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <266qk1$d0p@saturn.socs.uts.edu.au> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 19:37:57 GMT In article <266qk1$d0p@saturn.socs.uts.edu.au> hkusumo@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Haris Kusumo) writes: | Hi, there. | | I have a project, I just wondering if it is easier to develop it on NeXT than under OSF/Motif environment. So I need your help to tell me about developing application on NeXT. | | Can someone tell me some pro and con for writting program on NeXT system ? With NeXTSTEP, you need to have OOP in mind all the time. When you have accepted that fact and become familiar with Object-thinking, you will find programming with NeXTSTEP much much much more easier than with OSF/Motif | | Can you tell me how easy to develop drag and drop application on NeXT, not building application using NeXT drag and drop facility/Apps builder. Drag & Drop feature is mostly related with objects members of the class View. To write a Drag & Drop, you'll implement the methods required by the Protocols needed to do so: NXDraggingSource, NXDraggingInfo and NXDraggingDestination. The View used as source must implement methods described in NXDraggingSource, the View used as destination do the same with methods described in NXDraggingDestination. The messaging object (the one given by the system when a NXDragginDestination method is called) will responds to methods described by NXDraggingInfo. | | I haven't write any code or even seen objective-c code, is it hard to learn, (I am not a c++ programmer either). Objective-C relates more to C than to C++. If you are familiar with C, you will need to leard some Object related concepts like Class, objects, class methods, object methods, object variables etc. If you are more familiar with Pascal than C, you need to learn the basic equivalent between Pascal and C to understand how C works and after how Objects supported by Objective-C work. | | Does NeXT has combo box ? There is a rumor that the $299 Evaluation kit has been extended until the end of September. That is a good value if that package can fit on your machine. | | These are some of the thing I want to develop, can you tell me how hard is it to developed it on NeXT or is there any third party object that support it. | - support drag and drop | - draw tree diagram (similar to tree widget in Xt I think) Try the NXBrowser object found in Interface Builder | - display some graphics Do you want tiff or postscript... both are easy! | - I don't know the name for this one, but I'll discribe it on the diagram below. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | <Screen/Window> | | | | | | +-----+ +------+ | | | |emp +-----------+dept +--------+ | | | +-----+ +------+ | +-------------+ | | | | |Salary tbl | | | | | +-------------+ | | | +----| Dept id | | | | +-------------+ | | | | Salary | | | | +-------------+ | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The box for emp and dept is a push button, so when the button is press it | expand to a popup window like Salary table and display all the Salary table fields. I also want to draw line to show the realations between tables. | i.e. emp table is connected to dept table based on dept_id, since both of them is in iconify mode so there is only one or more connecting to the push button. | If the table is in expanded form like Salary table the line should be drwan to the actual field, as shown on diagram above. Such application could be done with DBKit without any line of code written and in five (5) minutes. | | Can you also tell me if I want to use Oracle database kit on Next, does tha oracle RDBMS has to reside on NeXT or I can use it to retrive Oracle data from other machine? The Database could be accessed on a remote machine with TCP/IP. | | Oh ya one last thing, Can any body tell me about the NeXT support ? (is it easy to get support from NeXT, how quickly is the response normaly, etc...). My physician wants me to stay calm. So I won't comment the @#$$$$$$! support dept of NeXT! | | Thank in adavance for the reply. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: davida@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Message-ID: <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Humanities Department References: <mJye0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:54:24 GMT I agree, even if an improved serial drive is "beta" it could not possibly be worse than the current driver. We had a heck of a time with the HP 4m printers until we figured out how to make the second parallel port active THE point is, there are many capable NEXT users who would happily test new driver code, and submit bug reports and be GRATEFUL for the new code (and the "effort" from NEXT), and all of this would cost NEXT .. nothing! All it would take is a "USE_AT_YOUR_OWN_RISK" directory on ftp.next.com. Is it really too much to ask? PS: if anyone from NEXT is reading this, I could use this serial driver ASAP, I'm tired of losing FAXes on my FAX Modem! artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: : : I posted a message describing my problems and extreme frustration at the : constant system crashes associated with trying to use the serial ports on : a Intel system running NeXTSTEP (at ANY speed, including 2400). I posted : this message in the beginning of JULY. I subsequently received about 20 : letters saying different things, most of which came down to "please be : patient, a patch will be released mid-July." : : I in fact received these words from TWO SEPERATE people sending from : next.com. It is now SEPTEMBER, I have been VERY PATIENT, I have : controlled my anger and frustration and not given up on NS even if one of : the primary things I need it for is to run SLIP and use a modem to connect : to a company system from home. But it is now nearly 2 months after the : promised fix date. I keep hearing that the drivers have been fixed and : are now being tested. I put forth that NOTHING can possibly be worse than : the drivers that exist right now, and I am getting very, VERY tired of : being told that they are COMING REAL SOON NOW. : : I specifically purchased a Dell JAWS machine to evaluate NS after being : told that NS Intel was primarily developed on the JAWS system because I : wanted to be assured the maximum stability possible. This seems to have : been a waste of time and money. : : NeXT, new serial port drivers are HIGHLY OVERDUE... : : Sincerely, : Tired of the run-around -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Spell-checking humor Date: 7 Sep 1993 00:08:06 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26gjd6$c8q@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <deluxe-060993143629@17.220.88.2> In article <deluxe-060993143629@17.220.88.2>, Don Hurter <deluxe@well.sf.ca.us> wrote: >Here's a spelling puzzle for you. Under 3.1, type 'motherboard' in edit >and then check spelling. >Is the word offered in the 'guess' window a reference to the origins of >the word 'bug'? No grub for that person, eh? Musta been a person named Chyrs Alis put that one in there. >When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6 Oh baby, I love it when you talk dirty! -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--------------------> No animal admires another animal. <--------------------]
From: bosborne@nature.BErkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: procuring Icon Date: 6 Sep 1993 21:00:59 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9309070101.AA02961@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> To the group, Can anyone send me Icon with the patch that allows it to run on v. 3.1? Please send me a note first at : bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu so I don't receive too many enormous letters at this address. Thank you for your attention to this matter, ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 6 Sep 1993 21:14:59 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <26gnag$1f2@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish Additions from: Greg Anderson (greg@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (michael@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: powhwee@ncb.gov.sg (Tan Pow Hwee) Subject: Request for 2.1 program Message-ID: <1993Sep7.020110.24326@iti.gov.sg> Summary: Drawing App Sender: news@iti.gov.sg (News Admin) Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 02:01:10 GMT Howdy, Can someone who has a copy of the Drawing application which is part of the 2.1 demo/example software send me a copy of it? Source code included would be nice. My 2.1 (yes, I'm still running it on my 030 cube) optical disk is gone and I lost this program. Thanks in advance! ph
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Panels of Bears Date: 7 Sep 1993 03:20:06 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26gul6$g6q@news.doit.wisc.edu> OK, this is it for a while, maybe a long while. Someone wrote me asking if I had bears, and since I did, here they are. A group of black bears, two different shots of brown bears, and a polar bear. Sorry, no grizzlies. I met a grizz once, alone in my campsite in the Canadian Rockies, at 3:00 a.m. I had no idea, before that fifteen-minute episode, of what fear *really* was. Fortunately, nothing happened. It was the same size as my tent, a Eureka two-man. All sorts of thoughts raced through my mind: God, I'm going to die, right here, right now! Ohmygod, it's only six feet away! Rip-stop nylon, what a joke! My entire leg or arm would be off in a single bite, off! The teeny-boppers over yonder have cookies in their tent; when it goes in there and I hear them scream, I'll jump in my car, big brave guy that I am! Christ, where are the damn keys and why the hell is it locked anyway! Can't this beast hear my heart beating; it's the only damn thing *I* can hear! Gee, it's really true when you're scared you have to pee; well, I've gotta live in this bag for another two weeks, so I ain't gonna let fly! What did that pamphlet say -- be completely still, right? Right! Incredibly, I fell back to sleep when I could no longer see or hear it out there, but I did not go out to investigate, and I did not get up to pee, either. This was 12 years ago, and I am still terrified of bears, to the point where I am no longer interested in being in bear habitat, much as I love the countryside there. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---> Nothing scares a middle class bigot more than a possible liability. <---]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: procuring Icon Date: 7 Sep 1993 03:40:37 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26gvrl$gno@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <9309070101.AA02961@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> In article <9309070101.AA02961@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net>, <bosborne@nature.BErkeley.EDU> wrote: >Can anyone send me Icon with the patch that allows it to >run on v. 3.1? Please send me a note first at : If you ran it under 3.0, you're all set; just go into Preferences/Unix option and turn the Public Window Server on. This is a security risk, so be careful; get off the network if you can. But no other change is needed. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-------> Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time. <-------]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Login Panels of Bears Date: 7 Sep 1993 03:45:02 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26h03u$gqt@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <26gul6$g6q@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <26gul6$g6q@news.doit.wisc.edu>, I wrote: >OK, this is it for a while, maybe a long while. Someone wrote >me asking if I had bears, and since I did, here they are. Oops, got so carried away with telling the story of a close encounter of the bear kind that I forget the pointers to the tiffs: yak.macc.wisc.edu, 144.92.30.18 /Users/ftp/pub/next/images/logintiffs/3.1/bears.tar and bears.README. Some people want the complete path; if you go in by anonymous ftp, you'll be at pub in the above path. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-------> Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time. <-------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@angst.com (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Power-off button in login panel doesn't shutdown cleanly Message-ID: <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 03:49:07 GMT Sometimes (just now in fact), I find the system has to do disk checks while booting up after having powered down using the POWER button in the login panel. Any one else experience this? What gives? (I'm running 3.1, naturally.) -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: NS/FIP and second drive Message-ID: <DEAN.93Sep7005540@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 05:55:40 GMT Hi, I bought a nice machine, go the NS/FIP Eval kit and hunkered down. I've got a two IDE drive system (GW 2K) and on drive 0 I've got NS (400MB) and DOS (5MB) Now, this gives me a neat boot option to use either DOS or NS, so I gave over an entire second IDE to DOS (205MB). That worked OK, but I have no need for that much DOS space, and NS wants to eat space, so I figured I'd repartition the second drive to 50MB NS and 155MB DOS. Sounds great, but the NS boot no longer recognizes my second DOS drive. Thats's no huge problem, as I have little need for it anyway. Problem arises when I place any user account on the secondary NS partition. Initial hardware boot of the system followed by user login to that partition will fail to attach to the startup directory. Secondary logins are OK. I placed the second drive in the /etc/fstab directory to ensure mount on boot, but still no luck. This brings me to my question: Can anyone explain how NS/FIP 'probes' for disks and places them in /etc/mtab and mounts them up properly. When are they mounted if they are not in /etc/fstab? No matter what I did for DOS partitions, they either mount auto- matically (/dev/rhd0h) or never (/dev/rhd1h). The kernel is pulling off much undocumented magic in this area, and I'd like to understand it better. TIA. -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Emacs.app Ctl-Z binding Date: 7 Sep 1993 05:14:42 GMT Organization: CompSci, U of Waikato, New Zealand Distribution: world Message-ID: <26h5c2$ji5@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: emacs binding I have just recently acquired Emacs.app and built it under NeXTstep 3.0 and like it very much. The only problem is that ^Z cannot be unbound from suspend (the program does a Command-h and hides) even though I use a emacs script which explicitly unbinds ^Z : (global-unset-key "\^z") (global-set-key "\^z\^z" 'suspend-emacs) This works fine for emacs when run in a terminal. So I tried the following: stty susp '^Y' /LocalApps/Emacs.app/Emacs but to no effect. Presumably the app does an ioctl on the tty thus spoiling my machinations - or no, it must be using its own pseudoterminal. Anyone have any ideas on a fix ? Or is it "hack the code" time ? Thanks in advance, Kerry Guise
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Message-ID: <1993Sep7.062515.403@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:25:15 GMT In article <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> davida@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) writes: > > I agree, even if an improved serial drive is "beta" it could not > possibly be worse than the current driver. Not true. A driver bug can easily crash your whole system. That's why I'm hoping that NeXT doesn't release the Driver Kit to the whole world. Imagine archives full of nifty drivers that crash machines with particular configurations only under particular circumstances. I'll never use a public domain NEXTSTEP driver. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Message-ID: <26hpk7$3c5@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Date: 6 Sep 93 21:00:23 GMT Article-I.D.: ursula.26hpk7$3c5 References: <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> <1993Sep7.062515.403@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> davida@guinness.huma.yorku.ca >(David Aspinall) writes: >> >> I agree, even if an improved serial drive is "beta" it could not >> possibly be worse than the current driver. >Not true. A driver bug can easily crash your whole system. That's why I'm >hoping that NeXT doesn't release the Driver Kit to the whole world. >Imagine archives full of nifty drivers that crash machines with particular >configurations only under particular circumstances. I'll never use a >public domain NEXTSTEP driver. Huh? It's a kit, right? What's the point of a kit you can't use? First of all, I agree that NeXT should be very careful about what drivers it releases, but this is a different issue than NeXT advocating third party device driver development. An O.S. I use when I'm not using NEXTSTEP is Linux. Linux has lots of good, reliable device drivers, and it does so because it's developers aren't folks who have been intimidated into believing that there is some mysterious difficulty in writing and debugging them. I use Linux daily for `real work' and use serveral `add-on' unofficial drivers with little trouble (much less than these hilarious NSFIP serial drivers). Linux has more, and in some cases, better device drivers. You'd be insane to casually install unsupported device drivers on a machine you can't afford to have go down, but it's a price I think many end-users/owners, are willing to pay. For any driver of even remotely cool hardware, there would be enough comp.sys.next folks who would try it out and could give new users an idea of a drivers reliability. NeXT should make it clear, though, the possible consequences of using unsupported drivers. Like it or not, this is the PC world. There is such a broad variety of potentially useful equipment we can't possibly expect NeXT and a few blessed companies to develop and support it all. NeXT should encourage all kinds of device driver development.
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Date: 7 Sep 1993 11:26:20 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <26hr4s$7je@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Sep7.062515.403@BlueRose.com> In article <1993Sep7.062515.403@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > Not true. A driver bug can easily crash your whole system. That's why I'm > hoping that NeXT doesn't release the Driver Kit to the whole world. Why NeXT has to release the driver kit to the whole world: Never mind the fact that I'm stuck with 1024 x 768 resolution. Never mind the fact that I had to buy a $ 300 Adaptec SCSI board to use once. Never mind the thousands of folks who owned 486 machines prior to May,1993. On MY system bus, I have a dsp CAMAC controller, an NI GPIB controller, and two Canberra high speed Multi-Channel Scalers. Now, maybe some entrepreneur will go to developer's school and plunk down $1500 and two weeks time to write the NI driver, but, given that I'm probably the only person in the world who wants them, nobody (but me) is going to waste their time on the others. Sure, I could keep rebooting every time I want to change from taking data to analyzing it, but that ain't what I bought a $5000 486 machine for. Besides, I think data acquisition under NeXTstep could be awesome. Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? Date: 7 Sep 1993 13:57:00 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <26i3vcINNkid@clem.handheld.com> References: <dgursky.747239646@news.andi.org> In article <dgursky.747239646@news.andi.org> dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) writes: > thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > > >My brother has a Duo 210, I have a NeXT (color turbo, running 3.1 developer), > >so what do we need to get them networked and running AppleShare and all that > >good stuff? > > You've got a couple options here, and things to do at various levels. > > 1a - Install an Localtalk / Ethernet gateway between your NeXT and your Mac. > Shiva used to (and I presume they still do) make a box called the Fastpath > that does this, and there may be other, similar products on the market. > Caymen used to make one called the Gatorbox which was generally regarded > as inferior to the Shiva Fastpath. The function of this piece is to pass > the Appletalk packets between the two different LANs. I'm not certain if > these devices will also route the TCP/IP packets as well. > > 1b - Install an Ethernet card in a Duo Desktop Dock or an SCSI Ethernet > interface on your brother's Powerbook's SCSI chain. This would directly > connect your brother's machine on your local Ethernet. Be forwarned > however - the SCSI bus on the Apple machines is set up to give priority > to data packets to disk peripherals, so you will not see the same > performance with an SCSI Ethernet interface as you would with a direct > processor bus interface (NuBus or PDS) > > 2a - Install CAP or similar software on the NeXT. While NeXT shipped software > to provide the Appletalk protocols with NEXTSTEP 3.0, I think they no > longer do so with 3.1, so you will need to turn to other sources, one of > which is CAP (the Columbia Appletalk Package) available at various sites > on the Internet (you might try sumex-aim.stanford.edu in /pub/info-mac > directories). Likewise, Mt. Xinu (that's Unix spelled backwards) > publishes Appletalk software for a variety of Unix machines, and I think > the NeXT is one. Does anyone know if the 3.0 Appletalk stuff still works > with 3.1? In any event, this would allow your brother to publish all or > part of his disk which could in turn be mounted on your NeXT. > > 2b - Install Intercon's NFS Share and TCP/IP software (either from Intercon > or Apple) on your brother's Duo. This would then allow your brother to > mount an NFS-published portion of the NeXT's disk. > > My recommendation is for 1b and 2b, which maximizes ease of installation and > administration. CAP is free, but take much more effort to configure correctly > than any of the parts of steps 1b and 2b. I vaguely recall that the Fastpath > and Gatorboxes are fairly expensive pieces of equipment (~$1,500?) while > something like Asantes Mini EN/SC SCSI-Ethernet interface is about the third of > that cost. Don't forget IPT's uShare package. They have a client package for the NeXT, and also have a server option, where the NeXT file system appears as an appleshare volume, AND any printer connected to/available to the NeXT appears to the Mac as a laserwriter, for easy print interface. > > Just my $0.02... > -- > David M. Gursky MIME and NEXTMAIL Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 14:09:03 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep07.140903.10205@cyantic.com> Keywords: still broken References: <mJye0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> In article <mJye0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> artek@mindvox.phantom.com (Ardal Technologies) writes: > >I posted a message describing my problems and extreme frustration at the >constant system crashes associated with trying to use the serial ports on >a Intel system running NeXTSTEP (at ANY speed, including 2400). I posted >this message in the beginning of JULY. I subsequently received about 20 >letters saying different things, most of which came down to "please be >patient, a patch will be released mid-July." It looks like the fix is long in coming, and when it does, there is no guarantee that it will be up to par. I have always avoided pushing PC serial ports too far under any operating system. They are too limited for high speed transfers. While this may avoid the real problem, I have tried to use outboard serial ports whenever possible, either with dedicated hardware such as Digiboard or Computone offer, or through terminal/communications servers. The least expensive communications box I have seen on the market recently is the Net Hopper from Sea Change. I know it handles PPP, but I don't think it does SLIP. The NetBlazer from Telebit handles both. I know this is an extra, large expense for the single user but small workgroups could profit from putting their serial connections on boxes like these. Xylogics, Xyplex, and quite a few other companies have really nice hardware that offloads the computer from communications duties and puts the equipment on the Ethernet where it can do the most good in a work group. Any hardware manufacturers want to take up the challenge for an under-$1000 comm server? -- Mark T. Dornfeld, CYANTIC Systems Voice: (416) 234-9048 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9B 6K4 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <sean-060993161441@128.187.73.66> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 6 Sep 93 16:15:23 -0700 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs References: <CCoCw9.DLB@well.sf.ca.us> <FH3F0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University In article <FH3F0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com>, alibaba@mindvox.phantom.com (Nick Mordanzo) wrote: > Yeah but does Linux have those pretty, shaded 3-d icons to look at? > > So you need to run fsck 10 times a day, its all a frustration threshold > test, to see how much [----] you can put up with before you say [----] this > man and just stop booting the nexstep partition since the msdos one works > just fine, sans artwork. Ah. Another person who doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to NeXTSTEP. Sad that with the move to Intel (and bigger markets) we now have to come face to face with huge numbers of ignorant people. ____________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu ____________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) Subject: Re: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? Message-ID: <dgursky.747411564@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <dgursky.747239646@news.andi.org> <26i3vcINNkid@clem.handheld.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:19:24 GMT jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >Don't forget IPT's uShare package. They have a client package for the NeXT, >and also have a server option, where the NeXT file system appears as an >appleshare volume, AND any printer connected to/available to the NeXT appears >to the Mac as a laserwriter, for easy print interface. Thank you - it was IPT's product that I was thinking of when I said Mt. Xinu (now incidently called Xinet) had a NeXT offering. -- David M. Gursky MIME and NEXTMAIL accepted Synex, Inc. e-mail: .. dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org 5950 Symphony Woods Road voice: ............. (301) 621-5732 Columbia, MD 21044 fax: ............. (301) 621-6005
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: ian@mindvox.phantom.com (Ian Bainbridge) Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Message-ID: <X3Li0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: ian@mindvox Keywords: still broken Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system References: <1993Sep07.140903.10205@cyantic.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:24:08 GMT mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > >a Intel system running NeXTSTEP (at ANY speed, including 2400). I posted > >this message in the beginning of JULY. I subsequently received about 20 > >letters saying different things, most of which came down to "please be > >patient, a patch will be released mid-July." > > It looks like the fix is long in coming, and when it does, there is no > guarantee that it will be up to par. > > I have always avoided pushing PC serial ports too far under any operating > system. They are too limited for high speed transfers. While this may > avoid the real problem, I have tried to use outboard serial ports whenever > possible, either with dedicated hardware such as Digiboard or Computone > offer, or through terminal/communications servers. Yes, true, BUT ... there aren't any drivers to support any of these cards, unless I have somehow missed that option every single time. > The least expensive communications box I have seen on the market recently > is the Net Hopper from Sea Change. I know it handles PPP, but I don't > think it does SLIP. The NetBlazer from Telebit handles both. > > I know this is an extra, large expense for the single user but small > workgroups could profit from putting their serial connections on boxes like > these. Xylogics is quite good, Digicom is all right, there are many excellent terminal servers on the market. However, to suggest that in order to use a temrinal program or run a SLIP on a personal NeXT system, one should have to buy an ethernet card AND a terminal server, is nice, but of little practical use in that place called "the real world" where most people would like to just plug in a modem and not have the system grind to a halt. ian ################# @ #Ian Bainbridge # mindvox. # ############################################### phantom. # I am not responsible for my opinons, I don't know or care! # com ###############################################################
From: carl@next2.sun1.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Carl Frederickson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power-off button in login panel doesn't shutdown cleanly Date: 7 Sep 1993 16:22:15 GMT Organization: Mississippi State University Message-ID: <26icfn$n6t@Tut.MsState.Edu> References: <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> you wrote: > > Sometimes (just now in fact), I find the system has to do disk checks > while booting up after having powered down using the POWER button in the > login panel. > > Any one else experience this? What gives? > (I'm running 3.1, naturally.) > -- > ___________________________________ > Dylan Kohler > Angst Animation Post Production > dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome) I have had this problem also even when using the power button on the keyboard (NeXTstation Turbo). Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Carl K. Frederickson carl@next2.ncpa.olemiss.edu OR packf@sunvis1.mcsr.olemiss.edu ---------------------------------------------------- |Catfish is brain-food. You only eat the smart ones.| | The dumb ones want to stay in that muck. | ---------------------------------------------------- st Animation Post Production > dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome) I have had this problem also even when using the power button on the keyboard (NeXTstation Turbo). Any info would be appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: ian@mindvox.phantom.com (Ian Bainbridge) Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <69Li0B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: ian@mindvox Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system References: <sean-060993161441@128.187.73.66> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:27:52 GMT sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) writes: > In article <FH3F0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com>, alibaba@mindvox.phantom.com > (Nick Mordanzo) wrote: > > > > Yeah but does Linux have those pretty, shaded 3-d icons to look at? > > > > So you need to run fsck 10 times a day, its all a frustration threshold > > test, to see how much [----] you can put up with before you say [----] this > > man and just stop booting the nexstep partition since the msdos one works > > just fine, sans artwork. > > Ah. Another person who doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes > to NeXTSTEP. Sad that with the move to Intel (and bigger markets) we now > have to come face to face with huge numbers of ignorant people. A veritable madman, all high-end, haute cuisine (to borrow a term from PC World) workstations crash every hour when a modem is plugged into them. Obviously this ignorant fool doesn't understand that. All that junk like uucp, tip and cu should be deleted from the distribution media and kermit and slip crippled to make sure nobody using white hardware will ever be able to run them. ian ################# @ #Ian Bainbridge # mindvox. # ############################################### phantom. # I am not responsible for my opinons, I don't know or care! # com ###############################################################
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power-off button in login panel doesn't shutdown cleanly Date: 7 Sep 1993 16:33:22 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <26id4iINN2o0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> In article <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> dylan@angst.com writes: > >Sometimes (just now in fact), I find the system has to do disk checks >while booting up after having powered down using the POWER button in the >login panel. > >Any one else experience this? What gives? >(I'm running 3.1, naturally.) I'm finding the same problem, but not for every shutdown. I noticed on an Intel machine which prints output of what's happening during shutdown that the unmounting of several NFS-mounted file systems fails frequently and when this happens, a clean shutdown doesn't occur. Can anyone suggest how to avoid these unmount failures? -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Serial port drivers Date: 7 Sep 1993 16:35:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <26id7u$eqb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> <1993Sep7.062515.403@BlueRose.com> <26hpk7$3c5@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Marcus Daniels writes: >It's a kit, right? What's the point of a kit you can't use? What's the point of a kit when there's no actual usable programs that are made with the kit? Has anyone made anything that works correctly with the Driver Kit? -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (no NeXTmail please)
From: u288869@uebung3.rz.fh-reutlingen.de (Frank Martin Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Date: 7 Sep 1993 17:00:20 GMT Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Wirtschaft, Reutlingen, Germany Message-ID: <26ien4$h6b@infoserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <sean-060993161441@128.187.73.66> <69Li0B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Keywords: SERIAL DRIVER CRASH BURN Maybe someone from NeXT could give us the *REAL* release date for the serial drivers. C'mon NeXT, it cannot be so hard to write this stuff. I really like NeXTSTEP but how should I recommend an OS that crash-and burn on serial transfer and sound. If your software people cannot get it right, maybe releasing the driver source to public could be a way? Even UNSUPPORTED beta drivers are better than the current crap. Frank Siegert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dkoski@noao.edu (David Koski) Subject: PRI mail and Sequence Message-ID: <1993Sep7.174501.13139@noao.edu> Sender: news@noao.edu Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 17:45:01 GMT I am posting this for a friend. Please forgive if this shows up multiple times, it didn't seem to show up here after several tries. ------------------------ Hi - First, please note that the address this is coming from is not valid. Please reply to zazula@pri.com. Secondly, we have been having problems with our UUCP feed and it is causing some longish delays in responding to some e-mail messages. All mail does seem to get to our mail server but some messages are getting munged by our sendmail.cf. Luckily, I've been able to catch the bounces an manually route the mail. If you suspect a message hasn't gotten through, please resend it. If you're a sendmail.cf guru and have time to kill, CALL ME! COLLECT!!! That said, here's the scoop on Presto/Sequence: The latest version of Presto is v0.9.6b. This was released before the name was changed to "Pinnacle Sequence". We are continuing to work on Sequence1.0 and plan to release one more beta version (v0.9.7b) with SMPTE, UNDO and possibly SOUND support (much like the app we demoed at the EXPO) and then the final 1.0 version, definitely with SOUND support. Unfortunately, we had to delay the release of Sequence in order to concentrate on other projects in light of the changes in the NeXT market. This was done to insure our survival in a world where NEXTSTEP machines were white and initially didn't support the MusicKit. I want to stress that we are very much alive and well, and committed to bringing Sequence to our users and to NEXTSTEP INTEL. If you have any questions about Pinnacle Sequence, Pinnacle Research Inc., or have the answer to my UUCP troubles, feel free to give me a call, send e-mail or FAX. Thank you, Ralph --- Ralph Zazula President Pinnacle Research, Inc. THE NEXTSTEP UTILITY LAB zazula@pri.com voice: (602)529-1135 fax: (602)529-0117 / (602)299-9133
From: darcy@solutions.ca (Darcy Brockbank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 3 Sep 1993 15:30:14 GMT Organization: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Message-ID: <267nu6$nr@amber.solutions.ca> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> In article <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > If Jess is pissed, then something is really wrong. [ description of 'Out of Processes' deleted, along with first-ever net-profanity from Jess. ] This is really interesting, because since 3.1 came out, many people have been complaining about running out of processes. From what I can tell, 3.1 is configured for the same number of processes per user as 3.0 was (and I've never run out of processes myself). If this is the case, what could be causing these people with 3.1 to be suddenly running out of processes? Aside: When will NeXT LEARN to NOT RELEASE THINGS WITH MAJOR BUGS IN THEM. Even if this isn't a bug, it's really brain-dead to release an OS whose serial ports don't work right. Hey, who needs serial communication anyway? This is not the right attitude. - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: vt100 extended character set font? Message-ID: <1993Sep7.165807.23830@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <265ntf$fki@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:58:07 GMT In article <265ntf$fki@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) writes: > hi, i often use a program (ok, you got me, it's nethack) that uses > the vt100 extended graphics characters. > > None of the standard next fonts seem to have the right character > mapping. Someone has to have done this; can someone give me a pointer? > > thanks, danno Actually, it isn't in the character set. For MicroPhone, we built a character set to display and switch in and out the appropriate characters. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:42:35 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <REUVEN.93Sep7144220@primavera.mit.edu> References: <25ugo0$4r4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <267nu6$nr@amber.solutions.ca> In-reply-to: darcy@solutions.ca's message of 3 Sep 1993 15:30:14 GMT >>>>> On 3 Sep 1993 15:30:14 GMT, darcy@solutions.ca (Darcy Brockbank) >>>>> said: Darcy> Aside: When will NeXT LEARN to NOT RELEASE THINGS WITH MAJOR Darcy> BUGS IN THEM. Even if this isn't a bug, it's really Darcy> brain-dead to release an OS whose serial ports don't work Darcy> right. I seem to remember at least one NeXT employee telling people on the c.s.n.* groups that the drivers were released in their present form not because the programmers thought that everything was hunky-dory, but because NS/FIP had to be ready by NeXTworld Expo. Given the choice between an OS with buggy serial drivers and no OS at all, I'd say that NeXT made the right choice. I have black hardware, and don't have to deal with these problems, but what some others have already said seems to make sense: Put the (buggy, beta) serial drivers on NeXTanswers with big warnings telling people that these are buggy and might not work. Sure, some people will get upset when they discover that these aren't the "fixes," but if the current drivers cause everything to crash and burn, I can't imagine that the fixes could be much worse. Reuven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: Writting program on NeXT Message-ID: <1993Sep7.175253.28555@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1993Sep6.193757.246@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 17:52:53 GMT In article <1993Sep6.193757.246@CAM.ORG!planon> yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) writes: > In article <266qk1$d0p@saturn.socs.uts.edu.au> hkusumo@socs.uts.EDU.AU > (Haris Kusumo) writes: > | I have a project, I just wondering if it is easier to develop it on > | NeXT than under OSF/Motif environment. So I need your help to tell me > | about developing application on NeXT. Yanik gave you a lot of good advice that I won't repeat. Also, Pick up the FAQ from comp.sys.next.programmer. Porting issues are addressed there. In general, these questions will get better answers in the programmer group. > | Oh ya one last thing, Can any body tell me about the NeXT support ? > | (is it easy to get support from NeXT, how quickly is the response > | normaly, etc...). > > My physician wants me to stay calm. So I won't comment the > @#$$$$$$! support dept of NeXT! True, but us c.s.n.programmer types are real friendly. Since you obviously have net access, you should almost always be able to get a good answer in a reasonable timeframe. And you'll have access to CSNPanswers! -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power-off button in login panel doesn't shutdown cleanly Date: 7 Sep 1993 19:27:52 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <26inbo$sa5@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> <26id4iINN2o0@darkstar.ucsc.edu> It seems that 'reboot' and 'halt' produce these errors, but 'shutdown' does not, even when shutdown -r or shutdown -h is used. (at least, with my experience) Curious. ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "It's Fabulous! We haven't seen anything like it in the last half an hour!" -- Macy's
From: wmorse@erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Serial Port Drivers <released> Date: 7 Sep 1993 19:53:19 GMT Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Distribution: world Message-ID: <26iorfINN484@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Just a little quote from the NextAnswers index: nextanswers@next.com, subj: 1001. ---- * SerialPortDriver.22106.1 93-09-07 1327 SerialPortDriver.pkg 93-09-07 1326 SerialPortDriver.ReadMe 93-09-07 ---- It appears the drivers are here! - William
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Message-ID: <1993Sep07.1@corona.com> Subject: Re: Serial port drivers References: <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:06:15 PDT > In article <CCyIEo.3G9@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> davida@guinness.huma.yorku.ca > (David Aspinall) writes: > > > > I agree, even if an improved serial drive is "beta" it could not > > possibly be worse than the current driver. > > Not true. A driver bug can easily crash your whole system. That's why I'm > hoping that NeXT doesn't release the Driver Kit to the whole world. *can easily crash*...Huh?? Make that *does* crash...and regularly. That's what all the noise for a new driver is about...hopefully by now there is one that could be released via FTP that *at least* does not crash the system. > Imagine archives full of nifty drivers that crash machines with particular > configurations only under particular circumstances. I'll never use a > public domain NEXTSTEP driver. > > M Carling > President, Bay Area NeXT Group While I agree that public drivers must be considered suspect, that may be your only shot at using a device. And so far the record of carefully controlled, commercial drivers is also less than stellar. Perhaps NeXT (or someone) will provide some certification procedure that checks that system/file integrity is not compromised by some driver. This, unfortunately, is life in the PC-lane. ________________________________________________________ NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 7 Sep 1993 20:13:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > It's a NeXTDimension for half the cost and with built-in camera. I know > there must be some people at NeXT from the days of bl ack hardware who are > just itching to see NS run on studly video hardware again. > > Well, I can dream, can't I? > Actually, it's a little more expensive than an ND (with 24-bit graphics, a disk and a reasonable amount of memory). Still it is a nice machine. Don't expect NEXTSTEP to be ported to it anytime soon. They (SGI) reportedly don't like NS much, and they really do like their own software. They worked very hard on it, you know, not having NEXTSTEP to make it easier ... Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: weymouth@mercury.eecs.umich.edu (Terry E. Weymouth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Spell-checking humor Date: 7 Sep 1993 20:47:03 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Message-ID: <26is07$dgg@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <deluxe-060993143629@17.220.88.2> In article <deluxe-060993143629@17.220.88.2> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: >Here's a spelling puzzle for you. Under 3.1, type 'motherboard' in edit >and then check spelling.... Better yet... take the word that spelling gives you and check it out in Webster's...
From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 7 Sep 1993 20:59:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Andreas Windemuth writes > In article <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> > gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > > Well, I can dream, can't I? > Actually, it's a little more expensive than an ND (with 24-bit > graphics, a disk and a reasonable amount of memory). "For $5.000 you get a box loaded with the following: video input/output, compression, MIDI interface, one parallel and two serial ports, LAN, 3-D graphics controller, ISDN connection, four stereo channels, a 15-inch color monitor, and a built-in video camera." --Wired 1.4 Kicks butt over a ND system, IMHO. It's a standalone system. --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 21:15:57 GMT References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 we just got an indigo2 extreme in the door and we sure wish it had NeXTSTEP on it. same w/ our hp 735. can't wait for NS on that. most people in our group prefer to telnet to the sgi or hp from their NeXT because the other gui's arent as nice. here's 21 votes for NS on sgi! kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <sean-070993152536@128.187.73.66> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 7 Sep 93 15:34:20 -0700 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs References: <sean-060993161441@128.187.73.66> <69Li0B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University In article <69Li0B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com>, ian@mindvox.phantom.com (Ian Bainbridge) wrote: > > sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) writes: > > > In article <FH3F0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com>, alibaba@mindvox.phantom.com > > (Nick Mordanzo) wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah but does Linux have those pretty, shaded 3-d icons to look at? > > > > > > So you need to run fsck 10 times a day, its all a frustration threshold > > > test, to see how much [----] you can put up with before you say [----] this > > > man and just stop booting the nexstep partition since the msdos one works > > > just fine, sans artwork. > > > > Ah. Another person who doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes > > to NeXTSTEP. Sad that with the move to Intel (and bigger markets) we now > > have to come face to face with huge numbers of ignorant people. > > A veritable madman, all high-end, haute cuisine (to borrow a term from PC > World) workstations crash every hour when a modem is plugged into them. > Obviously this ignorant fool doesn't understand that. Obviously *this* ignorant fool doesn't understand why we should be swearing on the net about what a horrible company NeXT is for producing a top-quality system for the PC, with almost no manpower, and coming out with an astonishingly stable first release. Sure they botched the serial drivers. Sure, that bothers me too (I can't get SLIP up and running reliably yet). But give 'em a break, willya? They've only been in the PC scene for the summer! BTW, all this bickering is moot--while we were posting expletives on the net, NeXT quietly posted the fixed serial driver. It's available on ftp.next.com, along with some other new drivers. ____________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu ____________________________________________________________
From: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ANY news reader alread complied for Intel platform? Date: 7 Sep 1993 22:04:34 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <26j0hi$6q2@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <harrywan.20.0@symantec.com> <CCu276.EE9@news.cis.umn.edu> In article <CCu276.EE9@news.cis.umn.edu>, peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > > > I have (and use daily) tin compiled fat, if anyone is interested. Source > and binary are in separate packages. > > peter > > -- > The trouble with an impressionist, he looks at a log > And he doesn't know who he is, standing, staring at this log... > peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu > > I have put a FAT copy of NewsBase v3.02 on cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/sumissions and on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de in /pub/next/submissions as NewsBase302.FAT.compressed. NewsBase is a GUI newsreader similar to NewsGrazer. Please see the readme files that are with the distribution. -jason ___________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: jmeacham@clarknet.clark.net (James D. Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: looking for cpp for 2.1 Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:33:19 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Message-ID: <26j27f$i49@clarknet.clark.net> Hi, I'm trying to get calendar running, but it won't go without cpp, so I'm hoping some kind soul who is also still runnung NS 2.1 will next-mail me a copy. Please drop me a line first if you'd be willing to send this to me. Thanks in advance. James Meacham
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Probably an FAQ,No Recycler On 2nd HD? Message-ID: <CD08Ko.4xr@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <268buv$g6e@spool.mu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 22:17:11 GMT In <268buv$g6e@spool.mu.edu> ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth) writes: >Hello, >This is probably an FAQ, but what do I need to do to an initialized >second SCSI HD on 3.0 to get a recycler? >Thanks, >Alec In order to have recycler on an external disk, you must have a .NextTrash directory at the mount point for the drive. As an example, here is how you would create a recycler for an external disk mounted as /archive (issue the following commands as root in a Terminal window): localhost# cd /archive localhost# df . Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/sd2b 216311 152584 42095 78% /archive localhost# mkdir .NextTrash localhost# chown root.wheel .NextTrash localhost# chmod 1777 .NextTrash localhost# ls -ldg .NextTrash drwxrwxrwt 19 root wheel 1024 Sep 30 10:42 .NextTrash/ After completing these steps, you'll need to reboot the system for the new recycler to be properly recognized. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -G.Kawasaki
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 7 Sep 1993 22:53:04 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <26j3cg$c8p@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > > Actually, it's a little more expensive than an ND (with 24-bit > > graphics, a disk and a reasonable amount of memory). > > "For $5.000 you get a box loaded with the following: video input/output, > compression, MIDI interface, one parallel and two serial ports, LAN, 3-D > graphics controller, ISDN connection, four stereo channels, a 15-inch > color monitor, and a built-in video camera." > --Wired 1.4 By the way, the machine mentioned here by Wired is a *diskless* configuration. You're talking another $800 right off the bat for a 540MB drive. I just spoke with my area SG sales rep about an hour ago. Basically if you want what he calls a "useful" system you're looking at a bit more than $5000. Try about $9000. The R4000SC INDY with 16/540, 8bit color (dithers to 24) and a 16" high resolution monitor (he called the 15" a "low resolution" monitor) runs just under $12,000. You could buy the R4000PC which doesn't have the external cache for nearly $3000 less but you lose about 25% to 75% of the speed of the SC (or you could say that for $3000 more you get a 25% to 75% increase.) Quoteth he... MIPS SPECFP MFLOPS R4000PC Processor Cache 64 40 6 R4000SC 1MB Secondary Cache 89 61 14 A PC to SC upgrade is available for about $4000 and he says it makes all the difference for rendering and animation. The R4000SC 16/540 true 24bit color and 19" monitor run around $17,000. He asked me to sit down before telling me that. Basically there have been some smothered hopes when customers find out what it takes to get a "real" system. At roughly 2.5 times the cost of a good used ND system the maxed INDY gives you close to 3.5 times the power. Not a bad deal if you have the money... just don't expect to get it all for under $5K. Of course, I am quoting a *salesman* so the validity of these claims can not be 100% established without further research. -- ==================================== Alex Currier mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu NeXTcube #1302 / ND and proud of it. NeXTmail preferred! ====================================
From: shiac@vms.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Help! FAQ? System won't boot!! Date: 7 Sep 1993 23:20:05 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Message-ID: <00972334.8282F0C0@vms.csd.mu.edu> Hi, Sorry if this is a FAQ. My one month old NEXT won't boot. During the start procedure the system keep give me the repeated "boot_rc" text. An manual boot using ROM setup won't help. I am new to this machine, please help. If this is a FAQ, please response to the email address: shiac@vms.csd.mu.edu Thanks in advance!! -C.Y. Shia-¯õ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paulk@mindvox.phantom.com (Paul Kerrios) Subject: What serial port drivers? Message-ID: <9e7i0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: paulk@mindvox Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 23:43:31 GMT ftp> bin 200 Type set to I. ftp> dir 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 na submit 1024 Aug 11 23:36 EpsonWingineDriver.18502.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 na submit 1024 Aug 26 21:07 EtherExpressDriver.41190.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 na submit 1024 Jul 28 20:47 SCSITapeDriver.06819.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 na submit 1024 Sep 7 19:35 SerialPortDriver.22106.1 226 Transfer complete. 327 bytes received in 6.2 seconds (0.052 Kbytes/s) ftp> mget Serial* SerialPortDriver.22106.1/1326_SerialPortDriver.ReadMe.compressed: No such file or directory SerialPortDriver.22106.1/1327_SerialPortDriver.pkg.compressed: No such file or directory What's the deal? //=======================================\\ Paul Kerrios /=/ Society has made me what I am today. \=\ \=\ Ok so maybe I just watch too much TV! /=/ \\=======paulk@mindvox.phantom.com=======//
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 7 Sep 1993 23:51:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <26j6qd$hf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > "For $5.000 you get a box loaded with the following: video input/output, > compression, MIDI interface, one parallel an d two serial ports, LAN, 3-D > graphics controller, ISDN connection, four stereo channels, a 15-inch > color monitor, and a built-in video camera." > --Wired 1.4 > > Kicks butt over a ND system, IMHO. It's a standalone system. Well, your box will be loaded with: 8-bit color, no graphics hardware (ever seen 8-bit dithering?) no disk (standalone? laugh!) maybe (I'm not sure) 8M of memory (if you're lucky) a 15-inch monitor (yuck!) To compete with a basic ND cube you need at least 24-bit graphics, a lot more RAM, a hard disk and a 17" Monitor. We are talking >$10.000, now. Sorry, but I think you fell for the hype. Again, that doesn't mean the machine is bad, it's actually quite good, but reasonable prices start at $10,000, just like the ND. Which is no more (sniff). Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------- ------------------------------ |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- en 8-bit dithering?) no disk (standalone? laugh!) maybe (I'm not sure) 8M of memory (if you're lucky) a 15-inch monitor (yuck!) To compete with a basic ND cube you need at least 24-bit graphics, a lot more RAM, a hard disk and a 17" Monitor. We are talking >$10.000, now. Sorry, but I think you fell for the hype. Again, that doesn't mean the machine is bad, it's actually quite good, but reasonable prices start at $10,000, just like the ND. Which is no more (sniff). Andreas Windemuth +--------------------------------------York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: 32 bit video Message-ID: <1993Sep7.135639.27543@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <26fs6v$7i3@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:56:39 GMT >> As long as we're dreaming... >> >> NeXT says 32 bit is supported in 3.2. Any cards named/known to anyone? >The Viper >> mentioned above, with 4 MB of RAM should theorically be able to do >1024x768 at 32 >> bits, since 2 MB is plenty for it at 16 bits. >> >> Just a thought... >> >> > -- A little quick math will lead you to the conclusion that approx 3MB is required to run 1024x768 at 32 bits. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: Power-off button in login panel doesn't shutdown cleanly Message-ID: <thompsonCD0LFo.8AM@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> <26id4iINN2o0@darkstar.ucsc.edu> <26inbo$sa5@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 02:54:59 GMT I just added my NeXT Turbo Color (3.1) to a network and NFS mounted some filesystems, and since then it doesn't powerdown/shutdown/halt/reboot cleanly, ever. It did before. I haven't investigated further, but I'll check out whether unmounting NFS beforehand fixes things.. Any other info appreciated, Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: What serial port drivers? Message-ID: <thompsonCD0LKp.8HI@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <9e7i0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 02:58:00 GMT paulk@mindvox.phantom.com (Paul Kerrios) writes: >ftp> mget Serial* >SerialPortDriver.22106.1/1326_SerialPortDriver.ReadMe.compressed: No such >file or directory >SerialPortDriver.22106.1/1327_SerialPortDriver.pkg.compressed: No such >file or directory > >What's the deal? The deal is that you should go INTO the directory "SerialPortDriver.22106.1" before trying to get the files inside it. I just did.. they are there. Eric
From: mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Strange Behavior of Preferences Date: 7 Sep 1993 22:20:43 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9309080304.AA04746@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> I have a 40-660 040 mono Cube with an external 2.4G Seagate running NS3.0 Shortly after: (1) replacing mother board from Bell Atlantic because of a serial port fried in a storm (2) installing Microphone Pro (3) Installing NXFax I went to update my clock's time. Double clicking on the Preferences in my Dock yielded the different choices. I clicked on the clock and got an Alert Box with a generic PREF icon in the box. The message said, "That section could not be loaded" (with an OK to get rid of the box)(so I clicked the OK and the Alert disappeared and I was not able to update my clock) I went to the Terminal and did a ps -aux gerilla:13# ps -aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root 4745 8.6 1.7 1.95M 696K p1 R 0:00 ps -aux mgilula 155 2.9 14.0 23.9M 5.60M ? S 612:20 - console (WindowServer) root 231 1.4 4.3 4.52M 1.70M ? S 0:09 /NextApps/Terminal.app/Term root 237 1.0 0.9 1.54M 376K p1 S 0:01 -u (csh) root 0 0.5 7.7 17.2M 3.08M ? R N 184:04 (kernel idle) root 120 0.3 2.6 5.68M 1.03M ? S 16:15 /usr/lib/NextPrinter/FaxDae mgilula 211 0.3 8.6 7.05M 3.45M ? S 6:09 /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -Ma root 3 0.0 4.0 5.98M 1.59M ? SW 0:03 /usr/etc/kern_loader -n root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:11 <mach-task> root 56 0.0 0.7 1.44M 304K ? S 0:03 /usr/etc/syslogd root 64 0.0 0.6 1.43M 256K ? S 0:02 /usr/etc/portmap root 60 0.0 1.2 6.56M 472K ? R N 0:43 /usr/etc/nmserver root 68 0.0 1.2 1.51M 488K ? S 0:31 /usr/etc/netinfod local root 71 0.0 1.0 1.52M 424K ? S 0:41 (lookupd) root 67 0.0 0.7 1.45M 296K ? S 0:01 (nibindd) root 80 0.0 0.4 1.51M 160K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 81 0.0 0.4 1.51M 160K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 79 0.0 0.4 1.51M 160K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 95 0.0 0.8 1.44M 312K ? S 0:01 /usr/etc/inetd root 101 0.0 0.9 1.55M 384K ? S 0:00 -accepting connections (sen root 106 0.0 0.9 1.99M 360K ? SW 0:00 (lpd) root 115 0.0 0.9 1.53M 368K ? SW 0:00 /usr/etc/pbs root 118 0.0 0.5 1.48M 208K ? SW 0:00 (lpd) root 119 0.0 1.6 3.46M 656K ? SW 0:00 Faxxess Local_Fax_Modem root 82 0.0 0.4 1.51M 160K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 121 0.0 1.6 3.46M 672K ? S 0:01 Faxxess gerilla_faxA root 124 0.0 2.3 3.55M 936K ? SWN 0:00 (npd) root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? SW 0:00 <mach-task> root 137 0.0 0.8 1.45M 336K ? SW 0:00 TrimProgram gerilla_faxA /u root 142 0.0 0.4 1.51M 160K co SW 0:00 /etc/teleconnect/etc/diald root 2 0.0 0.7 1.45M 272K co S 0:09 (mach_init) root 151 0.0 0.6 1.43M 264K ? S 0:09 cron root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? SW< 0:00 <mach-task> root 156 0.0 3.7 3.66M 1.48M ? SW 0:04 - console (loginwindow) root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 4:07 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:02 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:22 <mach-task> root 197 0.0 1.4 1.73M 576K ? S 0:02 /usr/etc/pbs -a root 199 0.0 4.0 4.83M 1.60M ? S 1:08 /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace mgilula 200 0.0 1.1 2.09M 464K ? SW 0:00 appkitServer mgilula 201 0.0 7.2 5.31M 2.87M ? S 1:10 /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace mgilula 202 0.0 5.6 5.04M 2.26M ? S 0:30 /NextApps/Preferences.app/P mgilula 203 0.0 4.2 4.23M 1.68M ? S N 16hr /mgilula/Apps/BackSpace.app mgilula 204 0.0 5.6 4.75M 2.24M ? S 0:11 /NextApps/FaxReader.app/Fax root 148 0.0 0.4 1.51M 160K ? S 0:14 update root 1 0.0 0.6 1.51M 240K ? S 0:00 /usr/etc/init -xx mgilula 232 0.0 0.9 1.54M 368K p1 SW 0:00 -csh (csh) root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? ?W< 0:00 <mach-task> mgilula 489 0.0 3.8 3.69M 1.52M ? SW 0:03 /mgilula/Todo -MachLaunch 1 root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:12 <mach-task> mgilula 1014 0.0 5.1 5.26M 2.02M ? S 0:57 /LocalApps/NXFaxMonitor.app mgilula 1034 0.0 4.8 3.71M 1.91M ? SW 0:06 /mgilula/Apps/Poste.app/Pos mgilula 1037 0.0 3.3 3.59M 1.31M ? S 0:01 /mgilula/Apps/MailHelper -N mgilula 2275 0.0 4.3 3.89M 1.73M ? SW 0:04 /NextApps/WriteNow.app/Writ root 134 0.0 0.7 1.45M 304K ? SW 0:00 TrimProgram Local_Fax_Modem gerilla:14# The /P at the and of the expression, /NextApps/Preferneces.app/P did not clue me in. any ideas what this anomalous behavior might be? Rebooting doesn't do anything to ameliorate the situation. -73- --- Sesquipedaliantically, Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or leave 'em alone!!" (N.C. Sage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: New Serial Port Drivers now available at ftp.next.com Message-ID: <1993Sep8.022332.13882@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 02:23:32 GMT The following message just cam through from Conrad Geiger: >The NEXTSTEP 3.1 Intel Serial Port Driver is now available from >NeXTanswers. The serial driver is available via anonymous ftp from >ftp.next.com under the file names: > >/pub/NeXTanswers/CompressedFiles/Drivers/ > 1326_SerialPortDriver.ReadMe.compressed > and 1327_SerialPortDriver.pkg.compressed > >To retrieve the files via email, send an email message to >"nextanswers@next.com" with the subject of "1326 1327". So all you goddamn whining bastards shut the hell up, and get the new drivers!!!!!!!!!! -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: DATABASE: info on SQL front-end/client programs needed ASAP Message-ID: <thompsonCD0up3.2FD@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Saperstein, et al., 510/763-9800 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:15:03 GMT Hi, Right now I spend a lot of my time writing SQL code for an Informix SE server running on a Data General Aviion. The company I work for is investigating NEXTSTEP, and if I could show them an "SQL client" or front-end for SQL that would let me easily generate queries, reports, and possibly forms, etc., they would probably be sold on it due to the large productivity gains. What programs are available as a solution to this? I have a Turbo Color hooked to the machine the Informix server is on right now, so if there are demo or evaluation products I can test, I would be glad to. The program would have to run on Intel too, however, since that's what they would be buying. Also, do I need a separate "Informix adaptor" or is that something that would be provided with a product like the above? If not, where would I find it (assuming one exists)? Any and all information is greatly appreciated, and I will summarize upon request. I have e-mailed the following companies already with requests for information.. but any information about any products is welcome: info@object.com info@oceansoft.com info@dbsa.com rosebase@BlueRose.com objects@targetdev.com Please contact me at: Eric Thompson thompson@netcom.com Saperstein, et al. 510/763-9800
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: rtbrunne@iiic.ethz.ch (Ralf Thomas Brunner) Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <1993Sep8.100947.24944@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Summary: Serial port driver Keywords: serial port Sender: rtbrunne@iiic.ethz.ch Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <CCoCw9.DLB@well.sf.ca.us> <FH3F0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:09:47 GMT > The title says most of it. They were coming in mid-July, since this is > September I guess that SURPRISE, they are a little late. Since mid-July I > have been actively dissuading people who have any interest in using a > modem or ever hope to establish a SLIP link, from getting anywhere near > NS/FIP. The new serial driver is on ftp.next.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Irrationality is the square root of all evil. Ralf T. Brunner - Douglas Hofstadter rtbrunne@iiic.ethz.ch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov (John Porter) Subject: Dove Fax question Message-ID: <1993Sep8.111757.6412@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Distribution: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:17:57 GMT Hi: My file system was corrupted last weekend (power surge?) and I had to reinstall 3.0. Ever since then I have been getting a console message about every 4 minutes that says: "Sep 8 06:49:26 picard lpd[11355]: recvjob unknown printer Dove_Fax" The fax sends and receives fine. What is going on here and what can I do about it? Please e-mail responses. Thanks. JP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <1993Sep8.124747.19987@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 12:47:47 GMT In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: >Andreas Windemuth writes >> In article <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> > >"For $5.000 you get a box loaded with the following: video input/output, >compression, MIDI interface, one parallel and two serial ports, LAN, 3-D >graphics controller, ISDN connection, four stereo channels, a 15-inch >color monitor, and a built-in video camera." > --Wired 1.4 > >Kicks butt over a ND system, IMHO. It's a standalone system. > >--Glenn Adding to the SGI reality check on this thread--what about a C compiler (C++ ?). These have always been an extra expense with SGI--any change there? Of course, you still (or do you?) get Explorer, Inventor and GL -- but now that I actually get to work with these beasts I have not been too impressed (except, as always, for the 3D graphics, which is the SGI forte <- looks like I need RTF). Anyway, alway check the hidden costs before deciding. Money you spend may vary according to your driving habits. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: schaefer@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Martha W. Schaefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Touch.app Date: 8 Sep 1993 14:01:06 GMT Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics Sender: schaefer@denali (Martha W. Schaefer) Distribution: world Message-ID: <26koj2$slg@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know where I can get Touch.app, which I have been told will allow me to display a workspace viewer for a remote NeXT on my cube? I have tried archie, but can find only one machine that has it (cwaves.stfx.ca), and it doesn't seem to have anonymous ftp available any more.
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CL and scheme on NeXTStep/Intel? Date: 8 Sep 1993 13:57:53 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <26kod1$ci3@disuns2.epfl.ch> What Common Lisps and schemes are currently (or soon) running on NeXTStep/Intel? Thanks in advance Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Phone : +41 (21) 693 - 5248 CH-1015 Lausanne FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Switzerland E-mail : matomira@di.epfl.ch "Check any C++ program. What do you see? Inefficient type checking, (casted) dynamic dispatching, hacked garbage collectors, string-based (yikes!) keyword arguments... Have you driven a LISP, lately? "
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <CD0K9H.qD@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 02:29:40 GMT In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: #Andreas Windemuth writes #> In article <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> # #> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: #> > Well, I can dream, can't I? # #> Actually, it's a little more expensive than an ND (with 24-bit #> graphics, a disk and a reasonable amount of memory). # #"For $5.000 you get a box loaded with the following: video input/output, #compression, MIDI interface, one parallel and two serial ports, LAN, 3-D #graphics controller, ISDN connection, four stereo channels, a 15-inch #color monitor, and a built-in video camera." # --Wired 1.4 # #Kicks butt over a ND system, IMHO. It's a standalone system. Well you still need more memory and HD space. This machine comes with no HD. So look at their price for a stand alone system it's above $10K. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: jep@cl-next2.msu.edu (Jeff E. Piper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LogoutHook not working Date: 8 Sep 1993 15:11:42 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <26ksne$16mo@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1993Sep3.155954.19301@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Keywords: loginwindow, logouthook, ttys In article <1993Sep3.155954.19301@newsgate.sps.mot.com> reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) writes: > I have a NeXTstation Turbo Color running 3.0 and LogoutHook doesn't > work. I get the following from dread: > > > dread -l | grep login > loginwindow ImageFile > /Local/reed/Library/images/login.tiffs.3.0/chuang_tsu.5.tiff > loginwindow LogoutHook /Local/reed/Unix/bin/random.logins > loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES > > > > 1. Am I doing something wrong? > > 2. The random.logins script works fine when I run it from a terminal > window but not from cron. Why is that? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Reed Motorola SPS > PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. > email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 > Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85284 > Fax: 602-897-3549 LogoutHook support has been moved from the Defaults Database to the command line for LoginWindow. See the man pages for loginwindow(8) and ttys(5). -- Jeff E. Piper | jep@cl-next2.cl.msu.edu Michigan State University | Rm# 220 Computer Center | tel:(517)353-3027 East Lansing, MI 48824-1042 | fax:(517)353-9847
From: paus@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems substituting RPC/XDR Date: 8 Sep 1993 15:48:16 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Distribution: world Message-ID: <26kus0$hjn@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> For some reason I want to use an alternative implementation of all the RPC/XDR stuff on a NeXTstation currently still running NS2.1. The problem is that the linker refuses to link my application with the new library because of multiply defined symbols. /bin/ld: multiple definitions of symbol _xdr_opaque_auth ./../NeXT.NS2.1/lib/libarpc.a(rpc_prot.o) definition of _xdr_opaque_auth in section (__TEXT,__text) /lib/libsys_s.a(rpc_prot.o) definition of absolute _xdr_opaque_auth (value 0x50034be) Does anybody know how to get around this problem ? Thanks Michael ************************************************************************ * Dipl.-Ing. Michael Paus | Phone: (+49) 711-121-1434 * * University of Stuttgart | FAX: (+49) 711-634856 * * Forststrasse 86 | Email: paus@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de * * 70176 Stuttgart, FRG | (NeXT-Mail welcome) * ************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jan A. Barglowski <jan@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil> Subject: NeXTSTEP Questions... Message-ID: <CD1n8C.52y@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil (NAWS news admin) Organization: Naval Air Warfare Center, China Lake Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:31:24 GMT Hello all! I'm currently writing a report on NeXTSTEP for the Navy's Graphics Interface Standards Working Group (GISWG) and have a few question that are not addressed in the NeXTSTEP manauls that I have... - Is RenderMan interface standard controlled by Pixar? - How can it be added to (extended), or changed? - Display PostScript - publicly available specs for it? - possible to extend/change it? - Are there any image processing kits? (3rd party?) - Multithreading and event dispatching - is GUI multithreaded, eg. does the interface take one process or does every window have its own process? - Time services - synchronization, such as found in the X-synchronization extension - any real-time kits? - What are the details of the NeXTSTEP Posix extension? - What are the security features of the NeXTSTEP Window Server, eg. can't write into protected object, or does the OS take care of all the security? If you have any answers, or can point me the right direction, please send me an email. jan jan@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: 32 bit video Message-ID: <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Sep7.135639.27543@biztech.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:18:21 GMT In article <1993Sep7.135639.27543@biztech.com> anderson (Ken Anderson) writes: > >> As long as we're dreaming... > >> > >> NeXT says 32 bit is supported in 3.2. Any cards named/known to anyone? > >The Viper > >> mentioned above, with 4 MB of RAM should theorically be able to do > >1024x768 at 32 > >> bits, since 2 MB is plenty for it at 16 bits. > >> > >> Just a thought... > >> > >> > -- > > A little quick math will lead you to the conclusion that approx 3MB is > required to run 1024x768 at 32 bits. Thanks for agreeing with me. I didn't (and still don't) want to get involved in the other, "Just how much is 16bits?" thread. My post still stands. Unanswered. Sniff. 8^( > Ken Anderson > anderson@biztech.com > Stamford, CT Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 8 Sep 1993 17:59:40 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <26l6ic$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1993Sep8.124747.19987@socrates.umd.edu> In article <1993Sep8.124747.19987@socrates.umd.edu>, fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > > Adding to the SGI reality check on this thread--what about > a C compiler (C++ ?). These have always been an extra expense > with SGI--any change there? Of course, you still (or do you?) > get Explorer, Inventor and GL -- but now that I actually get to > work with these beasts I have not been too impressed (except, > as always, for the 3D graphics, which is the SGI forte <- looks > like I need RTF). > > Anyway, alway check the hidden costs before deciding. Money > you spend may vary according to your driving habits. > Current prices for SGI dev software are about (in Swiss Francs, normally things are cheaper in USA): Inventor dev ~ 800.- Digital media (CD,DAT,midi,audio,compression stuff) ~ 800.- IDO (developer option: C (C++?), debugger (dbx, edge), GL, display postcript dev, Motif dev...) ~ 1500.- CaseVision (modern-style multi-process debugger) $3000.- (I heard) Taking into account mistakes, etc. that would put a complete dev environment at about $2000. If you want to use GCC for C++ development with Inventor, you're out of luck. Somebody asked if he could go with GCC and no IDO for C development, but apparently you can't. Inventor is probably OK if you are a C or C++ developer, otherwise, you can see that the guys really needed another language. Check my .sig - Inventor inspired... -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Phone : +41 (21) 693 - 5248 CH-1015 Lausanne FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Switzerland E-mail : matomira@di.epfl.ch "Check any C++ program. What do you see? Inefficient type checking, (casted) dynamic dispatching, hacked garbage collectors, string-based (yikes!) keyword arguments... Have you driven a LISP, lately? "
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Date: 8 Sep 1993 18:08:32 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> In article <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: > we just got an indigo2 extreme in the door and we sure > wish it had NeXTSTEP on it. same w/ our hp 735. can't > wait for NS on that. > > most people in our group prefer to telnet to the sgi or > hp from their NeXT because the other gui's arent as > nice. > > here's 21 votes for NS on sgi! > > kelley wittmeyer > dept of atmospheric science > colorado state university Here's another 4, at least... -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Phone : +41 (21) 693 - 5248 CH-1015 Lausanne FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Switzerland E-mail : matomira@di.epfl.ch "Check any C++ program. What do you see? Inefficient type checking, (casted) dynamic dispatching, hacked garbage collectors, string-based (yikes!) keyword arguments... Have you driven a LISP, lately? "
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Message-ID: <1993Sep08.1@corona.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1993 07:30:00 PDT Subject: RE: New Serial Port Drivers now available at ftp.next.com References: <1993Sep8.022332.13882@relief.com> > So all you goddamn whining bastards shut the hell up, and get the new > drivers!!!!!!!!!! Ahh, but the squeaky wheel gets the serial driver 8^)! On to source for the crufty CDPlayer.app... ________________________________________________________ NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power-off button in login panel doesn't shutdown cleanly (Answer) Date: 8 Sep 1993 17:28:00 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellulsr Infrastructure Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <26l4n0$8iv@delphinium.rtsg.mot.com> References: <26icfn$n6t@Tut.MsState.Edu> In article <26icfn$n6t@Tut.MsState.Edu> carl@next2.sun1.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Carl Frederickson) writes: > In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Sep7.034907.5316@Angst.COM> you wrote: > > > > Sometimes (just now in fact), I find the system has to do disk checks > > while booting up after having powered down using the POWER button in the > > login panel. > > > > Any one else experience this? What gives? > > (I'm running 3.1, naturally.) > > -- NeXT techs told me that it was a known bug that would be fixed in 3.2. It seems that the clean flag is not getting set, so when the machine comes back up, it does an fsck. This is not harmful, since the disk is actually clean, and nothing will need to be fixed. It is, to say the least, rather annoying. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brad Skrbec | "For it is the doom of men that they forget." | | Motorola Cellular | -- Merlin | | Arlington Heights, IL | Internet: skrbec@rtsg.mot.com | | | Home: brad@darby.chi.il.us | ------------------------------- NeXTMail Gladly Accepted ------------
From: schaefer@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Martha W. Schaefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <26koj2$slg@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Control: cancel <26koj2$slg@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: 8 Sep 1993 21:13:37 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- InterNetNews site Distribution: world Message-ID: <26lhu1$8sf@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <26koj2$slg@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ludwig@well.sf.ca.us (Michael Rutchik) Subject: What to do with my new serial driver? Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:21:39 GMT Message-ID: <CD20o3.CM7@well.sf.ca.us> Keywords: serial driver Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us I've successfully downloaded and installed the new serial driver from ftp.next.com. I'm all ready to risk another crash and burn on my system to see if it works. However, I still have yet to receive the copy of Microphone pro that I ordered at the beginning of the summer. Some time ago there was discussion of demo which could be ftp'd from somewhere. If this is a full working demo which will let me connect to the net, I'd love to try it while I wait for the real thing. Additionally, with the old serial driver, I crashed my system attempting to use the fax software that comes with NS/FIP. Since I don't have an urgent need to fax anything, I'm not quite willing to crash this machine again if no one knows for sure that this software works. Anyone have any luck with either of these? If you email me any answers, I'll summarize to the group. Thanks, Michael Rutchik ludwig@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <Sep8.215437.19753@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:54:37 GMT References: <sean-060993161441@128.187.73.66> <69Li0B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <26ien4$h6b@infoserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: SERIAL DRIVER CRASH BURN > Maybe someone from NeXT could give us the *REAL* release date > for the serial drivers. C'mon NeXT, it cannot be so hard to > write this stuff. Maybe you could check before writing? You posted this message AFTER the new drivers became available on ftp.next.com. Can we just end this thread now? (... or at least start a new one describing quirks of the new driver, should that be necessary). > I really like NeXTSTEP but how should I recommend an OS that > crash-and burn on serial transfer and sound. If your software > people cannot get it right, maybe releasing the driver source > to public could be a way? The problems associated with sound are hardware conflicts with other devices and problems with the ISA bus. They are NOT NeXT's fault. Many customers (me included) can get a ton of useful work done without either serial or sound support while waiting for the final drivers. Would I recommend NeXTSTEP to people who need the support NOW? No, although with the new serial drivers I should be able to reverse that decision. Most organizations are already committed to NeXTSTEP and have black hardware to support UUCP links and such, or are just beginning to evaluate NeXTSTEP as a development platform and can do without the drivers until they became available. NeXTSTEP is not yet being advertised as the ideal hobbyist / home user / desktop environment, but should be up to the task by the time it is being pushed into those markets. > Even UNSUPPORTED beta drivers are better than the current crap. ... and customers who expressed a need for the beta drivers should have been able to get them from NeXT. We were able to do so, as were a number of NeXT's larger customers to whom it was an issue. I can definitely understand NeXT not wanting to let beta drivers out on the internet, as they'd discover people using them years later (don't scoff, it happens... we ran into one fellow running version 0.97 of the Mac operating system a while back). -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: kenyee@ksr.com (Ken Yee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Speeds of old Next systems Message-ID: <31869@ksr.com> Date: 8 Sep 93 17:53:59 EDT Sender: news@ksr.com Distribution: usa Does anyone have the relative speeds of the old NeXTstation and Turbo systems? In particular, MIPS, MFLOPS, Specint, and SpecFP? thanks, ken (kenyee@ksr.com)
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 9 Sep 1993 01:47:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <26m1v4$j9g@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <26l6ic$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> In article <26l6ic$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > In article <1993Sep8.124747.19987@socrates.umd.edu>, fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > > In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > > > > Adding to the SGI reality check on this thread-- [munchage] > > Anyway, alway check the hidden costs before deciding. Money > > you spend may vary according to your driving habits. > > > Current prices for SGI dev software are about (in Swiss Francs, normally things are cheaper in USA): > Inventor dev ~ 800.- > Digital media (CD,DAT,midi,audio,compression stuff) ~ 800.- > IDO (developer option: C (C++?), debugger (dbx, edge), > GL, display postcript dev, Motif dev...) ~ 1500.- > CaseVision (modern-style multi-process debugger) $3000.- (I heard) > > Taking into account mistakes, etc. that would put a complete dev environment > at about $2000. > [mas munchage] Ah...I found that promo literature I collected at the SGI Expo the day before NWE :-). 3rd party software's expensive for NeXT, you say? For industry-standard Alias Animator, which includes some very nice 3D modeling tools but needs other modules for output and image processing, you will pay $6,995.00. That's correct, almost SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. I, a one-man grad student band, have budgeted less for my entire NeXTSTEP software library and peripherals. The pricest 3D package you can get for NeXTSTEP is the solidThinking package through Alembic; prices for the Animator module haven't been announced, but the modeler is only $1400.00 list. Not cheap or a whim purchase, but within reach for a small outfit or lab. I love and admire SGI's stuff, but the Indy will go nowhere until 3rd-party apps cost something like what NeXTSTEP apps do. And I wonder, if this isn't one of those mission-critical bottlenecks that OOP can do so much to clear up? Given recent threads in c.s.n.advocacy regarding X-Windows and C++ development tools vs IB/PB?AppKit, and ease of development debates, as well as comparisons of the profitability of SGI vs NeXT (they shipped about the same # of units last year, someone said, and SGI had 3x the margins), will it be faster and easier to develop graphics and multimedia apps for NeXTSTEP than it will for the Indy? Curious, Steve Weintz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: 32 bit video Message-ID: <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 02:48:53 GMT In article <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > My post still stands. Unanswered. Sniff. 8^( Not true: the only official answer is the hardware guide, which shows support for 1280x1024x16-bit mode for the DEC MTE systems with S3-928 cards (4 MB). If any of the listed cards can do 32-bit, NeXT hasn't claimed it yet. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Speeds of old Next systems Message-ID: <1993Sep9.025130.6600@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <31869@ksr.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 02:51:30 GMT In article <31869@ksr.com> kenyee@ksr.com (Ken Yee) writes: > Does anyone have the relative speeds of the old NeXTstation > and Turbo systems? > In particular, MIPS, MFLOPS, Specint, and SpecFP? Relatively faster than a KSR, since they stay up longer. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GEC/CONTINENTAL 486/66 From: damon.cooper@canrem.com (Damon Cooper) Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.27050.4902.0N183500@canrem.com> References: <264n9v$ruq@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 22:36:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Anybody out there have any experiences to share about GEC NEXTSTEP 486/66 or Continental (Intel GX, Continental 3550) NEXTSTEP boxes? I'm in the market for HW: preferably white that runs like black, but won't turn put me in the red (like Data General's CDN $18,875.95 + tax DASHER LE2!) Thanks, Damon F. Cooper --- * UniQWK v2.1 * The Windows Mail Reader
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <1993Sep9.060449.15518@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <26m1v4$j9g@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:04:49 GMT Steven C Weintz writes > In article <26l6ic$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato > Mira) writes: > > In article <1993Sep8.124747.19987@socrates.umd.edu>, > fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > > > In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> > gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > > > > > > Adding to the SGI reality check on this thread-- > [mas munchage] > > Ah...I found that promo literature I collected at the SGI Expo the day > before NWE :-). 3rd party software's expensive for NeXT, you say? For > industry-standard Alias Animator, which includes some very nice 3D > modeling tools but needs other modules for output and image processing, > you will pay $6,995.00. That's correct, almost SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. I, > a one-man grad student band, have budgeted less for my entire NeXTSTEP > software library and peripherals. The pricest 3D package you can get for > NeXTSTEP is the solidThinking package through Alembic; prices for the > Animator module haven't been announced, but the modeler is only $1400.00 > list. Not cheap or a whim purchase, but within reach for a small outfit or > lab. I love and admire SGI's stuff, but the Indy will go nowhere until > 3rd-party apps cost something like what NeXTSTEP apps do. > Err, excuse me, but last time I checked (a few weeks ago), the full blown Alias Animator Pro setup will set you back more on the order of 30K+. The *base* system is probably about 7K, though. That sounds right. SoftImage is in the same ballpark. You also can't compare Alias/SoftImage/GIG/Vertigo/Wavefront to any package on NeXTSTEP yet, though. All of the former are complete production solutions: modeling, animating, rendering, compositing/2D stuff. The 3D packages on the NeXT all have RenderMan for free, which is great, but only a few offer innovative modeling tools, and none that I've played with (all but solidThinking, I believe) offer any sort of usable animation tools. Also, given that there is no standard NeXTSTEP digital solution to playing back frames, you're wedged unless you're like me and have your own BetaCam decks (or Abekas, or whatever). I'm not blaming anybody - 3D is hard, and it's a shitty time to be developing third party apps for NeXTSTEP. All the packages on the SGI grew up in an environment where people bought the app and the hardware to run it, and the margins were/are high. Most of these companies have been in business for 5-10 years, exclusively developing 3D software. And if they're new, like SoftImage, they are a spin-off of one of the older ones. > And I wonder, if this isn't one of those mission-critical bottlenecks that > OOP can do so much to clear up? Given recent threads in c.s.n.advocacy > regarding X-Windows and C++ development tools vs IB/PB?AppKit, and ease of > development debates, as well as comparisons of the profitability of SGI vs > NeXT (they shipped about the same # of units last year, someone said, and > SGI had 3x the margins), will it be faster and easier to develop graphics > and multimedia apps for NeXTSTEP than it will for the Indy? > Not until it runs on hardware that gives you reasonable update rates, i.e. the HP port. Not until you have some sort of QuickTime support. Then maybe. The problem with 3D on the NeXT is the same problem that 2D stuff in the 0.8 days. The software is swamping the hardware. On the SGI, the problem has usually been the reverse, but programmers are odd animals, and can hack arounnd that. With the advent of OpenGL, which is going to be as ubiquitous as X on high end graphical workstations, SGI apps will start appearing on other workstations screens. None of this is NeXT's fault, but it certainly isn't bringing the high end 3D folks to look at NeXT, they're busy porting their up-until-now SGI only apps to other platforms that support X and OpenGL. sigh. Better get back to writing my animation system so I can graduate and get a job again... -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu --> NeXT Mail accepted at wave@nordine.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <CD24Hr.6p9@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <REUVEN.93Sep7144220@primavera.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 22:44:14 GMT In article <REUVEN.93Sep7144220@primavera.mit.edu> reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: > >>>>> On 3 Sep 1993 15:30:14 GMT, darcy@solutions.ca (Darcy Brockbank) > >>>>> said: > > Darcy> Aside: When will NeXT LEARN to NOT RELEASE THINGS WITH MAJOR > Darcy> BUGS IN THEM. Even if this isn't a bug, it's really > Darcy> brain-dead to release an OS whose serial ports don't work > Darcy> right. > > I seem to remember at least one NeXT employee telling people on the > c.s.n.* groups that the drivers were released in their present form > not because the programmers thought that everything was hunky-dory, > but because NS/FIP had to be ready by NeXTworld Expo. > > Given the choice between an OS with buggy serial drivers and no OS at > all, I'd say that NeXT made the right choice. > This is, of course exactly right. Can you imagine the press if NS/I had not been released on time ? Not to mention all the whining on the net about how it was important for NeXT to show that it could meet the deadline, given the cloud it was under, and the outraged cries of "how could they let the serial driver bug keep them from releasing on time; they can always release a fix !" It's a lose-lose situation as far as the net goes, but not when you conside r the implications in the wider marketplace. NeXT did the right thing, given the circumstances (of course, it would have been better to have gotten it right the first time, but it's an imperfect world...) -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: WWW and friends. Message-ID: <scott.747559367@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:22:47 GMT It occurs to me that the NeXT and NeXTSTEP (I refuse to capitalise that e) are excellent platforms for development with the world wide web, gopher, html, and so on protocols, yet there seem to be a cunning lack of applications in this area. I've used the Gopher app a few times, but sometimes its not quite enough....the best solution I've found so far is the xmosaic package, but unfortunately that does not support 16bit depth on my NeXTstation colour, so I can't use that anymore...and the WWW application that came out for the NeXT years ago hasn't seen much development... Is anyone working on tools of these nature? I know I should stop whinging and learn to code and write my own, but before I do it would be nice to hear if anyone else is planning any nice NeXTSTEP front ends to these toys...X is nice, but it is a hassle and a half to get working sometimes (case in point, tkWWW 0.9 --anyone had any luck?)... Just curious, Scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Network Unreachable"
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 9 Sep 1993 12:17:42 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <26n6t6$md2@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <26l6ic$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <26m1v4$j9g@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <26m1v4$j9g@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) writes: > will it be faster and easier to develop graphics > and multimedia apps for NeXTSTEP than it will for the Indy? > Well, except for the SoundKit and MusicKit, I would say it will be easier on an Indy (there is no automatic sync support on either OS, anyway). I do not know how fast you will get working drivers for all the different third party boards that somebody can configure the machine with. Also, you're missing the 3D hardware which, even if minimal, gives you an edge when you want to do video, sound, direct-to-disk and animation (simple) at the same time. Regarding the Interface Builder, you can get some tool in the same lines for Unix/Motif. GINA is public domain and quite nice. You can develop interfaces for C++ and Common Lisp programs. You can also get a cross-platform GUI development tool. I have yet to hear of one supporting NeXTStep. Another minus. I like the NeXTStep look because it looks "designed by designers" and not by engineers [fill in with the appropriate disclaimer]. But it's bad it's not X-based (even if you consider X a hack). OK, you can get Co-Xist, but it's not bundled. With respect to Postscript, the window system of SGIs used to be PS-based (NeWS), but now it's just X/Motif, but with Postscript extensions, and you can use their window manager (4Dmwm), which is the nicest looking of all X WMs. I guess this would be the way NeXTStep should be built. Finally, I (and the rest around here) hate that "Macintosh style" input focus on NeXTStep. Dream architecture: SGI->Mach->POSIX->X->(Motif?)->NeXTStep | | -> PS ext.- Now, is there an way of calling Objective C stuff from C? That's the problem with C++ libraries (but not with Eiffel ones). If there is a C interface, you can use a lot of other languages for your own things... -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Phone : +41 (21) 693 - 5248 CH-1015 Lausanne FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Switzerland E-mail : matomira@di.epfl.ch "Check any C++ program. What do you see? Inefficient type checking, (casted) dynamic dispatching, hacked garbage collectors, string-based (yikes!) keyword arguments... Have you driven a LISP, lately? "
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gwhite@trevnx.bio.dfo.ca (George White 6-8509) Subject: Re: WWW and friends. In-Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk's message of Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:22:47 GMT Message-ID: <GWHITE.93Sep9095105@trevnx.bio.dfo.ca> Sender: usenet@nstn.ns.ca (NNTP Entity) Organization: Bedford Institute of Oceanography References: <scott.747559367@shrug> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:51:05 GMT In article <scott.747559367@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: It occurs to me that the NeXT and NeXTSTEP (I refuse to capitalise that e) are excellent platforms for development with the world wide web, gopher, html, and so on protocols, yet there seem to be a cunning lack of applications in this area. I've used the Gopher app a few times, but sometimes its not quite enough....the best solution I've found so far is the xmosaic package, but unfortunately that does not support 16bit depth on my NeXTstation colour, so I can't use that anymore...and the WWW application that came out for the NeXT years ago hasn't seen much development... Is anyone working on tools of these nature? I know I should stop whinging and learn to code and write my own, but before I do it would be nice to hear if anyone else is planning any nice NeXTSTEP front ends to these toys...X is nice, but it is a hassle and a half to get working sometimes (case in point, tkWWW 0.9 --anyone had any luck?)... I too would love to have a NeXTMosaic app. I use XMosaic on an X terminal. If I wasn't spending so much time debugging other people's X apps I might actually do something with NeXTSTEP. -- /George White <GWhite@BIOnet.BIO.DFO.ca> Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WWW and friends. Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:12:28 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <26ndkd$82k@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <scott.747559367@shrug> In article <scott.747559367@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: > Is anyone working on tools of these nature? I know I should stop whinging > and learn to code and write my own, but before I do it would be nice to hear > if anyone else is planning any nice NeXTSTEP front ends to these toys...X > is nice, but it is a hassle and a half to get working sometimes (case in > point, tkWWW 0.9 --anyone had any luck?)... > I compiled xmosaic for my NeXT running co-Xist. It works virtually out of the box. The binaries are posted on the ncsa ftp site. I've been running full color with no problems. If you run it using the rootless option in coXist, then it looks and acts like a NeXTstep app. I've set it up to use the NeXT viewers for PostScript, TIFF, sounds, etc. so it all "just works". (Which isn't to say that it wouldn't be nice to have a true NeXTstep version. But you can get pretty close with what's already there...) Here's how to compile xmosaic: I successfully compiled xmosaic 1.2 for the NeXT running co-Xist/Motif. Follow the README to change the Makefiles as indicated. In src/Makefile, use the lines: # For Sun's and Ultrix: SYS_LIBS = In mo-www.c change line 504 from #if defined(ultrix) || defined(VMS) || defined(NeXT) || defined(M4310) || defined(vax) to: #if defined(ultrix) || defined(VMS) || defined(M4310) || defined(vax) xmosaic should compile with only a few warning messages. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: frite@zuse.info.polymtl.ca (Michel Besner) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Sender: news@vlsi.polymtl.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Genie Informatique References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:08:57 GMT In article <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: >In article <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: >> we just got an indigo2 extreme in the door and we sure >> wish it had NeXTSTEP on it. same w/ our hp 735. can't >> wait for NS on that. >> >> most people in our group prefer to telnet to the sgi or >> hp from their NeXT because the other gui's arent as >> nice. >> >> here's 21 votes for NS on sgi! >> >> kelley wittmeyer >> dept of atmospheric science >> colorado state university > >Here's another 4, at least... > >-- >Fernando D. Mato Mira Oh no !!!!!! They're BACK !!!! :( Hey NS, go ask Steve Jobs for this and stop popping this request every month or so. NS is nice, but not as impressive as I used to think SGI is doing a pretty good job on IRIX You might say that NS has this and that that IRIX doesn't have but the list is getting shorter (have you driven an Indy with IRIX5.1 lately ?) See you in a month BTW, if SGI would include a toaster with every Indigo, you would get more than 25 P.O. :) :) -- Michel Besner, eng Sacred Heart Hospital research center "life is a big bowl of JELL-O :) :) "
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:36:18 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <26nihi$rfr@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <26iq0e$ltg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca> In article <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca>, frite@zuse.info.polymtl.ca (Michel Besner) writes: > > You might say that NS has this and that that IRIX doesn't have > but the list is getting shorter (have you driven an Indy with IRIX5.1 > lately ?) > There is a lot of stuff in IRIX that is cool, namely BSD, System V, POSIX, X compatibility, multi-processing extensions, OpenGL (soon). Probably the kernel is not that far away from something like Mach. It's mostly an interface problem. Mach has a cleaner face, and NS's GUI could be exhibited with no shame at the museum of modern art in NY or Pompidou in Paris. Remember IBM once licensed NeXTStep. That didn't mean they had to throw AIX away (too bad :-) ). It would probably be easier for SGI to sell an NS face as an option, than for NeXT to add the cool missing stuff. They are working very hard in the OS division at SGI any way, so eventually a micro-kernel will be down there I guess. Unless they hire some really good designers (*) to outdo NS. That would be even cooler, and wouldn't hurt SGI's pride, quite the contrary... > BTW, if SGI would include a toaster with every Indigo, you would > get more than 25 P.O. :) :) ??? (*) I do not know if it's us, Europeans, but everybody around here seems to dislike those Indigo II mousepads... Just trying to make the "SGI Universe" better... -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Phone : +41 (21) 693 - 5248 CH-1015 Lausanne FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Switzerland E-mail : matomira@di.epfl.ch "Check any C++ program. What do you see? Inefficient type checking, (casted) dynamic dispatching, hacked garbage collectors, string-based (yikes!) keyword arguments... Have you driven a LISP, lately? "
From: carl@next2.sun1.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Carl Frederickson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: printing only one doc at time Date: 9 Sep 1993 16:59:20 GMT Organization: Mississippi State University Message-ID: <26nnd8$fik@Tut.MsState.Edu> I have just upgraded completely to 3.1 on two mono turbos. There is an HPLJ III set up on one of the two which both can print to. My problem is this: When I print more then one doc at a time (this means I do not wait until the lsat doc is done) thenm only the first gets printed. I have watched the spool folder on both machines and whi le the first doc is printing both are in the folder. Just after the first doc finishes the second will be in the folder by itself but it gets erased before it can print. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. It is very annoying having to wait for the printer just to start print jobs. Thanks Carl K. Frederickson carl@next2.ncpa.olemiss.edu OR packf@sunvis1.mcsr.olemiss.edu ---------------------------------------------------- |Catfish is brain-food. You only eat the smart ones.| | The dumb ones want to stay in that muck. | ----------------------------------------------------
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old FrameMaker.app under 3.1? Date: 9 Sep 1993 18:06:20 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <26nras$boe@hub.ucsb.edu> Is there any way to get the old FrameMaker demo (from 2.1 or earlier) to run under 3.1, or is it a lost cause? I get a series of console messages: maker: Using /LocalApps/FrameMaker.app/.fminit2.0 maker: Using DEBUG mode maker: Using HEAP-CHECKING mode maker: DisplayWidth 1120 DisplayHeight 832 maker: starting postscript download maker: finished postscript download maker: Starting FrameMaker 2.0B2. Copyright (c) 1986-1989 Frame Technology Corp. Using CONTEXT_DEBUG mode. Sep 9 11:03:09 foxtrot WindowServer[207]: Can't open `/tmp/debug': context is write-prohibited. And then it simply quits. I tried creating a file /tmp/debug and made it read/write by all, but it didnt help. Thanks for any information. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@blackjoke.bsd.uchicago.edu (Dave Griffith) Subject: Just what's hidden in Mail and how can I get to it? Message-ID: <1993Sep9.192145.963@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic & Public Computing Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:21:45 GMT For some very odd reasons, I ran AppInspector on Mail.app under 3.1. As near as I can tell, Mail now includes code (or at least hooks) for 1) Public key encryption/authentification systems. 2) Hooks for adding your own crypto systems. 3) Data Links. 4) Uses IndexingKit to manage mailboxes. 5) Color 6) Something from the 3DKit (???) Now I had already been playing around with 1-4 on this list as being just about worth building my own mailer for. Does anyone have any information about these ghost features, including and especially when they will be made available. This could save me a lot of work. Thanks -- Dave Griffith, Information Resources, University of Chicago, Biological Sciences Division dave@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu "The faults in bad software can be so subtle as to be practically theological" --Bruce Sterling
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Extracting images from executable Message-ID: <1993Sep9.192330.1708@afs.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:23:30 GMT I know someone has posted this before. I want to extract an icon from a segment in an executable. What are the segment and section I have to pass to segedit -extract to get this to work? Also, if I'm extracting a tiff, should the <filename> portion of "-extract segname sectname filename" include the .tiff extension or not? Thanx, Michael -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 32 bit video Date: 9 Sep 1993 20:43:45 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <26o4i1$o8b@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas >Dore) writes: > >> My post still stands. Unanswered. Sniff. 8^( > >Not true: the only official answer is the hardware guide, which shows >support for 1280x1024x16-bit mode for the DEC MTE systems with S3-928 >cards (4 MB). If any of the listed cards can do 32-bit, NeXT hasn't >claimed it yet. > I am looking at the STB Pegasus VL board which uses the S3-928 with up to 4 MB VRAM. I talked to the technician at STB directly who read off a flier (from where, I don't know), that stated support for NeXTstep in October '93 (Windows & OS/2 drivers included now). This card has SVGA as well as RGB BNC outputs which should make it possible to connect to a color megapixel display. I will post more information as I find it. Varun
Message-ID: <#2$@byu.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:51:01 MDT From: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <1993Sep8.022332.13882@relief.com> <1993Sep08.1@corona.com> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: RE: New Serial Port Drivers now available at ftp.next.com In article <1993Sep08.1@corona.com>, pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: >> So all you goddamn whining bastards shut the hell up, and get the new >> drivers!!!!!!!!!! > >Ahh, but the squeaky wheel gets the serial driver 8^)! On to source for >the crufty CDPlayer.app... Yeah. I can think of a lot of nifty things I'd like to do with that. ;-) Don_Yacktman@byu.edu -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karl@khaos.com (Karl Hanzel) Subject: black spray paint (yes i found the faq, &...) Message-ID: <1993Sep9.132541.2840@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: karl@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:25:41 GMT I found this in the faq's: __________________________________________________________________________ Subject: F13. Where can I get black spray paint for my NeXT? Sprayon Paint Omni-Packblend 4Next-Black (icon black) LAV-16 25216 Call 1-800-777-2966 for the name of a dealer near you. It's nominally $2.75/16 oz. can. __________________________________________________________________________ And i called the number given, but they were of little or no help. What do we have here?... is "Sprayon Paint" a brand name? "Omni-Packblend" seems to be the name of a canister-propellent system (that the 1-800 folks make). One person i called observed that "LAV-16" designates a generic type of lacquer. The local, know-it-all, have-it-all hardware store did *not*. Any help appreciated. Please email. pax, Karl *-----> Karl Hanzel Boulder, Colorado karl@khaos.com (NeXT Mail) or hanzel@comet.ucar.edu (303)443-6602 -home- (303)497-8479 -work- -- Karl Hanzel Boulder, Colorado
From: terryt@cs.athabascau.ca (Terry Tanski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: AI packages for the Next Message-ID: <2984@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> Date: 10 Sep 93 02:22:55 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: Athabasca University Hi everyone, I am posting this for a friend. Can anyone suggest any good AI packages, purchased or public domain/shareware, for the Next? Please reply via mail since I don't follow this group. Thanks in advance, Terry Tanski ********* Terry Tanski, B.Sc. ********** . **** Athabasca University - Computing Services .. **** Box 10,000 .... **** Athabasca, Alberta CANADA ..........**** terryt@cs.athabascau.ca
From: terryt@cs.athabascau.ca (Terry Tanski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AI packages for the Next Message-ID: <2986@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> Date: 10 Sep 93 02:29:08 GMT References: <2984@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Athabasca University To be more specific, here is the request my friend gave me. Could you please send a query out into the net or wherever it is you read stuff from/to regarding if anyone knows of an expert system (that actually works ... and well) for the NeXTstation turbo (grey scale - megapixle) Terry ********* Terry Tanski, B.Sc. ********** . **** Athabasca University - Computing Services .. **** Box 10,000 .... **** Athabasca, Alberta CANADA ..........**** terryt@cs.athabascau.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: schwartz@mindvox.phantom.com (Dave Schwartz) Subject: NSintel and Canon bj-200 printer? Message-ID: <oZFN0B1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: schwartz@mindvox Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:00:35 GMT I have installed nextstep 3.1 and found that it only support postscript printers. Is there some sort of driver either public domain or commercially supported to allow the Canon BJ-200 to work under NS? its a very nice inkjet, supports 360dpi, and works well, if it did work under ns that is! -]Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Subject: Re: PRI Presto/Sequence? Message-ID: <1993Sep3.160853.12917@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. - The NEXTSTEP Utility Lab Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 16:08:53 GMT [This is a second attempt to get this posted. My 9/1/93 attempt didn't seem to make it...] Hi - First, please note that the address this is coming from is not valid. Please reply to zazula@pri.com. Secondly, we have been having problems with our UUCP feed and it is causing some longish delays in responding to some e-mail messages. All mail does seem to get to our mail server but some messages are getting munged by our sendmail.cf. Luckily, I've been able to catch the bounces and manually route the mail. If you suspect that a message hasn't gotten through, please resend it. If you're a sendmail.cf guru and have time to kill, CALL ME! COLLECT!!! That said, here's the scoop on Presto/Sequence: The latest version of Presto is v0.9.6b. This was released before the name was changed to "Pinnacle Sequence". We are continuing to work on Sequence1.0 and plan to release one more beta version (v0.9.7b) with SMPTE, UNDO and possibly SOUND support (much like the app we demoed at the EXPO) and then the final 1.0 version, definitely with SOUND support. Unfortunately, we had to delay the release of Sequence in order to concentrate on other projects in light of the changes in the NeXT market. This was done to insure our survival in a world where NEXTSTEP machines were white and initially didn't support the MusicKit. I want to stress that we are very much alive and well, and committed to bringing Sequence to our users and to NEXTSTEP INTEL. If you have any questions about Pinnacle Sequence, Pinnacle Research Inc., or have the answer to my UUCP troubles, feel free to give me a call, send e-mail or FAX. Thank you, Ralph --- Ralph Zazula President Pinnacle Research, Inc. THE NEXTSTEP UTILITY LAB zazula@pri.com voice: (602)529-1135 fax: (602)529-0117 / (602)299-9133
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Subject: Re: PRI Presto/Sequence? (Attempt #3) Message-ID: <1993Sep6.161639.27932@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 16:16:39 GMT [This is a third attempt to post this... Neither my 9/1/93 or 9/3/93 attempts to post this have appeared on the net...] Hi - First, please note that the address this is coming from is not valid. Please reply to zazula@pri.com. Secondly, we have been having problems with our UUCP feed and it is causing some longish delays in responding to some e-mail messages. All mail does seem to get to our mail server but some messages are getting munged by our sendmail.cf. Luckily, I've been able to catch the bounces an manually route the mail. If you suspect a message hasn't gotten through, please resend it. If you're a sendmail.cf guru and have time to kill, CALL ME! COLLECT!!! That said, here's the scoop on Presto/Sequence: The latest version of Presto is v0.9.6b. This was released before the name was changed to "Pinnacle Sequence". We are continuing to work on Sequence1.0 and plan to release one more beta version (v0.9.7b) with SMPTE, UNDO and possibly SOUND support (much like the app we demoed at the EXPO) and then the final 1.0 version, definitely with SOUND support. Unfortunately, we had to delay the release of Sequence in order to concentrate on other projects in light of the changes in the NeXT market. This was done to insure our survival in a world where NEXTSTEP machines were white and initially didn't support the MusicKit. I want to stress that we are very much alive and well, and committed to bringing Sequence to our users and to NEXTSTEP INTEL. If you have any questions about Pinnacle Sequence, Pinnacle Research Inc., or have the answer to my UUCP troubles, feel free to give me a call, send e-mail or FAX. Thank you, Ralph --- Ralph Zazula President Pinnacle Research, Inc. THE NEXTSTEP UTILITY LAB zazula@pri.com voice: (602)529-1135 fax: (602)529-0117 / (602)299-9133
From: scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch (Marco Scheurer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WWW and friends. Date: 10 Sep 1993 10:27:09 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Message-ID: <26pkpt$4t2@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <scott.747559367@shrug> In article <scott.747559367@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: [Question about weither or not someone is working on a new NeXT WWW frontend] >Just curious, >Scott >-- >EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk >SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE > "Network Unreachable" Yes. A WWW project on NEXTSTEP is in the making here, with the participation of one the authors of the original NeXT frontend. WWW is a great tool, and the NEXTSTEP frontend is seriously outdated, although it is one of the few WWW Editor. Bye, --- Marco Scheurer scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch (NeXTMail) Laboratoire d'Informatique Theorique Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne IN-Ecublens CH-1015 Lausanne (Switzerland) (+41) 21 693-2589
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) Subject: Re: black spray paint (yes i found the faq, &...) Message-ID: <1993Sep10.115321.1492@next.cambridge.ma.us> Sender: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us Organization: NeXTWORLD Magazine References: <1993Sep9.132541.2840@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:53:21 GMT I don't seem to have the paint code anymore, but it is a non-toxic water based paint. See my posting under CUBE BURNING... -- ................................................................simson
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: black spray paint (yes i found the faq, &...) Date: 10 Sep 1993 13:24:30 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26pv6e$33b@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1993Sep9.132541.2840@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <1993Sep10.115321.1492@next.cambridge.ma.us> In article <1993Sep10.115321.1492@next.cambridge.ma.us>, Simson L. Garfinkel <simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us> wrote: >I don't seem to have the paint code anymore, but it is a non-toxic water based >paint. See my posting under CUBE BURNING... I have a couple cans of it. But how can it be water based, since it doesn't wash off when you clean your case with a damp rag? I suppose it's like the paints we so often use on walls, etc., that are not oil-based, cleaning up with water? Alkyd, is that what they're called? Btw, thought the cube-burn saga was a fun read! -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----> Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one. <----]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <CD3Jrt.1M5@nosloc.com> Sender: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Nosloc Software Technologies References: <CD0K9H.qD@infoserv.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 17:11:53 GMT In article <CD0K9H.qD@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: > In article <26isnd$jr6@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu > (Glenn Brown) writes: > #Andreas Windemuth writes > #> In article <26dg53$q81@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> > # > #> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > #> > Well, I can dream, can't I? > # > #> Actually, it's a little more expensive than an ND (with 24-bit > #> graphics, a disk and a reasonable amount of memory). > # > #"For $5.000 you get a box loaded with the following: video input/output, > #compression, MIDI interface, one parallel and two serial ports, LAN, 3-D > #graphics controller, ISDN connection, four stereo channels, a 15-inch > #color monitor, and a built-in video camera." > # --Wired 1.4 > # > #Kicks butt over a ND system, IMHO. It's a standalone system. > > > Well you still need more memory and HD space. This machine comes with no HD. > So look at their price for a stand alone system it's above $10K. > > Kent Not necessarily. Although I agree with most on the way SGI announces pricing. I do know that you can get a machine with 16MB of memory, a 340 MB HD, and the development option which includes GL and C libraries and the compiler for under 6K. It is calles the DevIndy. Check it out..... =derek -- Derek Collison <---> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: NS for PA-RISC: Beta out already? 8^) Message-ID: <1993Sep10.031416.6575@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:14:16 GMT Hey, if nobody's noticed, on the back inside cover of the September NeXTWORLD Athena Design claims Mesa is NS PA-RISC compatible. Wow! NS PA-RISC is out already!!! 8^) Or is it that Mesa runs under HP-UX? %^> Just thought it was kind of odd that they didn't add "planned" (If it comes as soon as the intel version did, it may well be out before the OS, but that's another matter). Besides, it doesn't say "NS NeXT". It's just a question of time before they start having to specify it. (don't flame: I have a Cube myself) BTW, what's with NeXTConnection? No adds. NeXTWorld looses half its pages. 8^) Are they keeping them bimonthly, or what? Just a couple of thought. Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: 32 bit video Message-ID: <1993Sep10.042755.6961@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 04:27:55 GMT In article <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas > Dore) writes: > > > My post still stands. Unanswered. Sniff. 8^( > > Not true: the only official answer is the hardware guide, which shows > support for 1280x1024x16-bit mode for the DEC MTE systems with S3-928 > cards (4 MB). If any of the listed cards can do 32-bit, NeXT hasn't > claimed it yet. Quoting from the 3.2 feature set announcement dated 31 Aug 1993 15:37:23 -0400 from Conrad Geiger: "* 32 bit Color support The WindowServer has been enhanced to support third-party 32 bit graphics drivers." My question wasn't "Can anybody read me the NeXTSTEP 486 comp list?", but basically "NeXT has announced 32-bit graphic support. Does anybody know of any card out there to support it?". Very different indeed. I haven't received answers on the question I asked, and I remember someone saying a _long_ time ago (April or May) that _they_ had 32-bit drivers in the works, but since NeXT wouldn't support 32-bit with 3.1... I'm not looking to hear from NeXT, since they say they won't make any for now, but from "third-party"s (i.e. the entire world apart from NeXT) who might be working on some. It remains unanswered. Re-sniff. > -- > Nathan "USENET" Janette Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! NERDIE TV SHOW QUOTE ZONE! - - - - - - - > "Just once I'd like to meet an alien nuisance < > that isn't immune to bullets" Policeman, in Dr Who <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: flexfax Message-ID: <scott.747673519@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 15:05:19 GMT I'm trying to port flexfax to NeXTSTEP 3.1...has anyone attempted this with any success? Any assistance apprecaited. Scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Network Unreachable"
From: sabu@panix.com (Sabu Bhatia) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Nextstep on (i486) and microsoft windows Date: 10 Sep 1993 13:20:33 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <26qd11$gh0@panix.com> Hi, Is it possible to install nextstep and microsoft windows on the same machine, and the same hard-drive ? If microsoft windows is already installed on the machine will the installation of nextstep destroy the microsoft windows installation ? thanks regards, sabu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!trey (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: 32 bit video Message-ID: <1993Sep10.134543.15607@tybrin4.uucp> Sender: trey@tybrin4.uucp (Trey McClendon) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation, Huntsville AL References: <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 13:45:43 GMT In article <1993Sep9.024853.6544@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <1993Sep8.161821.4210@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas > Dore) writes: > > > My post still stands. Unanswered. Sniff. 8^( > > Not true: the only official answer is the hardware guide, which shows > support for 1280x1024x16-bit mode for the DEC MTE systems with S3-928 > cards (4 MB). If any of the listed cards can do 32-bit, NeXT hasn't > claimed it yet. > And NeXT, as of Tuesday, had not finished the 928 drivers. They said a couple of more weeks might do it. > -- > Nathan "USENET" Janette > PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu > > Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT) > Trey -- Trey McClendon TYBRIN Corporation email: tybrin4!trey@sci34hub.sci.com fax: 205-837-3472
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Sonata font not recognized? Message-ID: <CD57t2.27o@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 14:48:38 GMT I recently upgraded to 3.1 and have noticed that Sonata (the font) is no longer recognized by the system. I followed the instructions in the NeXTanswers "debugging_fonts" and was able to rebuild the .fontdirectory and .afmcache and .fontlist. However, although all of the other fonts in my /LocalLibrary/Fonts are working fine, Sonata still doesn't appear in any font panel. Anyone know what might be going on? Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: GEC/CONTINENTAL 486/66 Message-ID: <CD5MHy.AA2@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <264n9v$ruq@umd5.umd.edu> <60.27050.4902.0N183500@canrem.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:05:58 GMT In article <60.27050.4902.0N183500@canrem.com> damon.cooper@canrem.com (Damon Cooper) writes: >Anybody out there have any experiences to share about GEC NEXTSTEP >486/66 or Continental (Intel GX, Continental 3550) NEXTSTEP boxes? > >I'm in the market for HW: preferably white that runs like black, but >won't turn put me in the red (like Data General's CDN $18,875.95 + tax >DASHER LE2!) > >Thanks, > >Damon F. Cooper If you are looking for a vendor I suggest you look at Advance 2000 inc., too. I decided to buy from Advance after getting quotes from GEC, Continental, and Advance. Advance had higher quality disk drives and monitors. They also seemed to have the highest attention to detail and testing. They are not rock bottom, but they do not nickel and dime you to death. They also will soon be offering s3-928 w 4MB vram and DX2 40/80 systems for not much more money than their DX2 33/66. (800) ADVANC1 Ask for Brian Mamoud -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Fax: (617) 863-8575 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) Voice: (617) 861-5579 NeXTMail O.K.
From: djep@fountainhills.az.stratus.com (Dave_Jepson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GEC/CONTINENTAL 486/66 Date: 10 Sep 1993 20:55:01 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Distribution: world Message-ID: <26qpj5$16l@transfer.stratus.com> References: <60.27050.4902.0N183500@canrem.com> In article <60.27050.4902.0N183500@canrem.com> writes: > Anybody out there have any experiences to share about GEC NEXTSTEP > 486/66 or Continental (Intel GX, Continental 3550) NEXTSTEP boxes? > > I'm in the market for HW: preferably white that runs like black, but > won't turn put me in the red (like Data General's CDN $18,875.95 + tax > DASHER LE2!) > > Thanks, > > Damon F. Cooper > > --- > * UniQWK v2.1 * The Windows Mail Reader I was involved with helping GEC to obtain "approval" from NEXT and have been a very satisfied customer since they opened. (as well as a beta site for NS/FIP) GEC has demonstrated some of their configurations at the Phoenix Next Users Group as well. A number of people in our office are using GEC systems for Nextstep/unix/dos at home (personal). We are also currently purchasing systems from GEC to add to our network of 50+ "black" systems. GEC can be reached at 800-834-1111 -David Jepson- These opinions are my own and not of Stratus Computer Inc.
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GEC/CONTINENTAL 486/66 Date: 10 Sep 1993 21:34:05 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <26qrsd$7cv@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <26qpj5$16l@transfer.stratus.com> In article 16l@transfer.stratus.com, djep@fountainhills.az.stratus.com (Dave_Jepson) writes: > We are also currently purchasing systems from GEC to add to our network of > 50+ "black" systems. > -David Jepson- > These opinions are my own and not of Stratus Computer Inc. Stratus Computer has 50+ black NeXT's on their network? I can see having two or three, or even a half dozen or so, to study in the lab (you know, scope out the competition...), but 50+? Isn't that a little like the GM executive buying a Toyota, or like IBM Corp. buying DELL's for their employees? Am I missing something? Just curious... Nevin
From: djep@fountainhills.az.stratus.com (Dave_Jepson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GEC/CONTINENTAL 486/66 Date: 10 Sep 1993 23:41:38 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Distribution: world Message-ID: <26r3bi$694@transfer.stratus.com> References: <26qrsd$7cv@cnn.sim.es.com> In article <26qrsd$7cv@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) writes: [stuff deleted] > Stratus Computer has 50+ black NeXT's on their network? I can see having > two or three, or even a half dozen or so, to study in the lab (you know, > scope out the competition...), but 50+? > > Isn't that a little like the GM executive buying a Toyota, or like IBM Corp. > buying DELL's for their employees? > > Am I missing something? > > Just curious... > > Nevin This isn't really part of this newsgroup group but... No you aren't missing something. We found the NEXT workstations the best suited for our group, the Customer Assistance Center in Phoenix. Stratus doesn't build workstations. -David Jepson- These opinions are my own and not of Stratus Computer Inc.
From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Icon.app (2.1) > ??? > Icon.app (3.0) > PWS > Icon.app (3.1) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 19:49:37 CDT Organization: University of Missouri Message-ID: <16C45116D1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Hello everyone, Yes, I asked this question a couple weeks ago but I didn't get a complete answer so here I go again. My site is currently a mixture of 2.1 and 3.1 machines. We are slowly upgrading all the 2.1 machines to 3.1. Please note that we have *NO* machines on 3.0. This is relevant because last time I got a few replies consisting of "Take your 3.0 version of Icon and . . . ." So - I know that I have to link in all the shared libraries - but how? I remember this being discussed last fall when 3.0 came out - but I've found nothing at *.cc.purdue.edu or cs.orst.edu on how to do this, and I also searched through all the c.s.n.* archives that our sysadmin saw fit to keep. Please help! David uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? Message-ID: <CD5sD8.547@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <26i3vcINNkid@clem.handheld.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 22:12:43 GMT In article <26i3vcINNkid@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > > Don't forget IPT's uShare package. They have a client package for the NeXT, > and also have a server option, where the NeXT file system appears as an > appleshare volume, AND any printer connected to/available to the NeXT appears > to the Mac as a laserwriter, for easy print interface. > > Jim But does it work ? I have not been impressed by their NeXT knowledge.... What experiences have others had ? -- -Michael
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Black Hardware, 8 bit serial I/O + even parity? Date: 10 Sep 1993 19:47:10 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <26qljuINNt6k@clem.handheld.com> Is it possible to have 8 bit data AND even parity I/O on a NeXT? I have a box I need to talk to that requires it! Thanks, Jim jmd@cube.handheld.com
From: andrew@wire.gatech.EDU (andrew abernathy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: looking for Jim Million Date: 10 Sep 1993 23:01:23 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9309110259.AA02603@wire.gatech.edu> I'm looking for the Jim Million who created some excellent palettes for Interface Builder close to a year ago. The documentation for his palettes lists a wiltel email address, but this bounced. Anyone know where I could get in touch with him? Thanks for any help! --- andrew_abernathy@wire.gatech.edu (NeXTmail ok) Powered by Motorola
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black Paint, the Real Thing Date: 11 Sep 1993 03:43:21 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <26rhgp$kq2@news.doit.wisc.edu> Rather than answer all the email I'm getting about honest-to-god NeXT Black paint in spray cans, I'll repost the original info that led to my getting some (you may thank my pack-rat instinct :-). ----- NeXT Touch-Up Paint Source Found From: schwarz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Marc Schwarz) Date: 11 May 91 19:26:40 GMT For people who purchased machines with cosmetic flaws from BusinessLand: A quick call to NeXT revealed what type of paint they use on their cubes: Sprayon Paint Omni-Packblend 4Next-Black (icon black) LAV-16 25216 Sprayon Products is a division of Sherman-Williams, and has offices in Bedford, Ohio, and Anahiem, CA. Sprayon will only sell direct to distributors, but has a toll-free customer service number so people can find the distributor nearest them. The number is: 1-800-777-2966. I called the number, and found a distributor in Columbus, near OSU: Boehm Stamp and Printing Company 2050 Hardy Parkway Columbus, OH (614) 875-9010 One 16oz can costs $2.85, plus tax and any shipping. I have not been able to test out the paint, since it was on back order. I was told that Boehm should have it back in stock in about a week. ----- I seem to remember that the firm in Columbus was a bust when I tried them. Instead I called Sherwin-Williams (not Sherman) in Bedford Heights, OH and asked the name of a distributor of their Spray-On product line in my area. Alas, I can now remember neither the name nor the address. But I did go there and ask about it. They could only order the stuff in case lots (which I recall was 48 cans), but they said they could ask for a couple sample cans and when they came they would just give them to me (much to my surprise, of course), and that's what they did about two weeks later. On the cans I have (they're 12 oz not 16), the legend 4NeXT-Black does not appear, but everything else listed above *is* on the label. Since you've asked: sorry, not for sale. Of course, I *would* trade both cans for a working ND card for my cube! :-) -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----> Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted. <-----]
From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MonsterShelf Message-ID: <1993Sep10.234434.6055@Happy-Man.com> Date: 10 Sep 93 23:44:34 GMT Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.others,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: sapp@sawdust.ssc.gov (Kevin Sapp) Subject: NeXT Mono Slab For Sale Message-ID: <CD7D3s.8IK@cfnews.ssc.gov> Originator: sapp@toothpick Sender: usenet@cfnews.ssc.gov Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory, Dallas Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 18:38:16 GMT NeXT Mono Slab for sale 8 Meg Mem 100 Meg internal drive 660 Meg external Developers Docs Mathematica Lots of FTP'd stuff Make offer! Kevin A. Sapp (214)230-1363 (Home) (214)708-3345 (Work) sawdust.ssc.gov -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin A. Sapp "A civilization depends upon the quality Superconducting Super Collider of individual it creates" (Dune) sapp@sawdust.ssc.gov 8>( please NO NeXT mail
From: wmorse@erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How to Compile Programs on a NeXT for Intel Date: 11 Sep 1993 19:34:53 GMT Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Distribution: world Message-ID: <26t98tINNefu@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> I am having some difficulty getting programs not built with IB to compile for Intel on my NeXTStation. Specifically, I am trying to compile BackSpaceViews on my NeXT for an Intel workstation. (BackSpace compiled for Intel fine.) Anyway, I load the makefile for BackSpaceViews into IB and click Intel under options. But, when I built it, it still seems to compile for the NeXT moto. and it does not work on the Intel machine. I next tried to do it manually but again was met with failure. Does anyone know how to do this? I would much appreciate some help. - William ======================================================================= Consult./ITD :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Emory Law Student =======================================================================
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Date: 11 Sep 1993 20:26:14 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <26tc96$jtc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Sep10.234434.6055@Happy-Man.com> In article <1993Sep10.234434.6055@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) writes: > Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by > Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! Hmmm.... So what would it take to merge MonsterShelf and BackSpace? I wish I didn't have to choose between them. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: ethernet number Message-ID: <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <CCxv5x.Eqz@news.iastate.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 21:14:53 GMT Brian J. Morrison writes > > > How does one find one's ethernet address? > > Brian > sela@iastate.edu There are several schemes for doing this: in a shell try: %nidump hosts . (don't forget the trailing period for this domain) or: %nslookup set the default server to the name of your machine with > server <mashine.name> then do an ls: > ls you'll get the IP number of your machine and a lot more. I have a general program called "hosts" that finds the IP number of named machines and viceversa if you're interested. - Barre
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: How to Compile Programs on a NeXT for Intel Date: 11 Sep 1993 22:23:00 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: world Message-ID: <26tj44INNoej@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <26t98tINNefu@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> In article <26t98tINNefu@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> wmorse@erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) writes: >I am having some difficulty getting programs not built with IB >to compile for Intel on my NeXTStation. > >Specifically, I am trying to compile BackSpaceViews on my NeXT >for an Intel workstation. (BackSpace compiled for Intel fine.) Again, always willing to display my misunderstanding of Makefiles (I've noticed that this seems to flush out better solutions so we all win :-), I've attached a context diff that "patch" would be only too eager to apply to the original Makefile in the Bezier BackSpace view. For those not familiar with context diff notation, '!' signifies lines that have been changed and '+', lines that have been added. Similar changes can be applied to all BackSpaceView Makefiles that I've seen, both NeXT-supplied and otherwise. - This builds a MAB version (remove "-arch m68k" if you want an Intel-only version). - This uses the -O2 optimization flag rather than -O (has anyone had trouble with -O2?). - This strips the loadable bundle (I've not had any problems with this, but stripping remains a black art as far as I'm concerned :-) *** /NEXTSTEP_Dev_3.1/NextDeveloper/Examples/AppKit/BackspaceViews/Bezier/Makefile Mon Feb 17 23:20:37 1992 --- /NextDeveloper/Examples/AppKit/BackspaceViews/Bezier/Makefile Sun Sep 5 20:24:32 1993 *************** *** 6,32 **** PSWFILES = BezierWraps.o .SUFFIXES: .m .o .c .psw .c.o: ! cc -O -g -Wall -c $*.c -o $*.o .m.o: ! cc -O -g -Wall -c $*.m -o $*.o .psw.h: pswrap -a -h $*.h -o $*.c $*.psw .psw.o: pswrap -a -h $*.h -o $*.c $*.psw ! cc -O -g -Wall -c $*.c -o $*.o all:: $(MAKE) $(PSWFILES) $(MAKE) $(DYNAVIEWS) ! BezierView.BackO: BezierView.o BezierView.h BezierWraps.o ! ld -x -r -o BezierView.BackO BezierView.o BezierWraps.o clean:: rm -rf $(PSWFILES) $(DYNAVIEWS) $(THINGSTOREMOVE) ! install:: all install-views --- 6,34 ---- PSWFILES = BezierWraps.o + CFLAGS = -O2 -g -Wall -arch i386 -arch m68k + .SUFFIXES: .m .o .c .psw .c.o: ! cc $(CFLAGS) -c $*.c -o $*.o .m.o: ! cc $(CFLAGS) -c $*.m -o $*.o .psw.h: pswrap -a -h $*.h -o $*.c $*.psw .psw.o: pswrap -a -h $*.h -o $*.c $*.psw ! cc $(CFLAGS) -c $*.c -o $*.o all:: $(MAKE) $(PSWFILES) $(MAKE) $(DYNAVIEWS) ! BezierView.BackO: BezierView.o BezierView.h BezierWraps.o ! cc $(CFLAGS) -nostdlib BezierView.o BezierWraps.o -r -o BezierView.BackO clean:: rm -rf $(PSWFILES) $(DYNAVIEWS) $(THINGSTOREMOVE) ! install:: all install-views *************** *** 34,37 **** --- 36,40 ---- mkdirs $(INSTALLDIR) && \ for view in $(DYNAVIEWS); do \ cp $$view $(INSTALLDIR); \ + strip -x -u $(INSTALLDIR)/$$view; \ done -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Date: 11 Sep 1993 22:31:47 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <26tjkj$det@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1993Sep10.234434.6055@Happy-Man.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Irving_Wolfe (irving@Happy-Man.com) wrote: : Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by : Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! My two cents are that it corrupts the NeXT Style Guide. Sorry ... Alex Keiblinger -- "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: christov@nazgul.st.hmc.edu (Christopher R. Douty) Subject: Re: ethernet number Message-ID: <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 References: <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 23:59:45 GMT In article <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) writes: > Brian J. Morrison writes > > > > > > How does one find one's ethernet address? > > > > Brian > > sela@iastate.edu > > There are several schemes for doing this: > [methods for finding IP address deleted] Brian was asking for his _ethernet_ address, not his Internet Protocol address. All the methods mentioned give the IP address. To my knowledge, the only was to get the ethernet address is to look at it during boot. You need to get to the ROM monitor and set the "verbose boot" flags. If anyone knows of a way to display the ethernet address without taking odwn the machine, I'd love to know it. Basically, the way to get it during boot, is to set verbose flags so that you can watch the /etc/rc script and all the other diagnostics run. This can be accomplished by either halting a boot with Right_Cmd-~ or by going in through the NMI ROM monitor. You can get to the NMI monitor by pressing Cmd-Cmd-~. A little window pops up, and everything else stops. Go to the ROM minitor by typing 'halt'. This will sync and halt the system. At this point it may actually tell you the ethernet address in the form XX:XX:XX:XX:XX where XX is 00 to ff. If not, type 'p' to modify the configuration parameters. There will be several options, just hit return to not change anything. When you get to "verbose test mode?" type 'y'. This will display all sorts of info on boot instead of the spinning hard disk. Early on you will see the ethernet address. Good luck, and I hope you can decipher what I mean here. You can also get more information from Chapter 6 of the SysAdmin guide. I have assumed that you are cleared to do all these steps. If this is not true, get permission and/or help from your sysadmin. -- Christopher Douty cdouty@jarthur.claremont.edu | MIME and | "I ask you, which government christov@tellink.net | NeXTmail OK | is more threat to liberty, the ----------------------------------------------+ weak, severely limited government of 1789, or the mega-state of today that takes 40 to 50 percent of our income, has minions as numerous as the stars in the heavens and
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) Subject: Re: ethernet number, thanks Message-ID: <CD7t0z.33w@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 00:22:11 GMT Thanks to all who responded. I chose to do the simple shut down and cmd ~ after the system test and was able to get my ethernet number. Brian sela@iastate.edu (NeXT Mail accepted!!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lusty@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Diana Shoemaker) Subject: Re: ethernet number Message-ID: <CD7t0n.JBz@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College References: <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 00:21:58 GMT In article <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> cdouty@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu writes: <lots of convoluted methods of getting ethernet number deleted> Try typing grep Ethernet /usr/adm/messages Diana
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Subject: Troff to RTF converter??? Message-ID: <CD7rFG.2qJ@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Sender: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Organization: Deep Breakfast Productions Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 23:47:39 GMT Does any know of or have a Troff to RTF converter? I'm sick of looking at and working with hard formatted man pages... Thanks! 'Los
From: betty@wam.umd.edu (Betty Boop) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: star trek Date: 12 Sep 1993 01:55:18 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <26tvi6$30c@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Who liked the book Imzadi in ST: TNG?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tbyars@netcom.com (Tim Byars) Subject: NeXT in the court room Message-ID: <tbyarsCD82yA.Gnu@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:56:33 GMT -- ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Normality is what cuts off | The difference between tattooed | | your sixth finger and your | people and non-tattooed people | | tail. | is: Tattooed people don't care | | | if you're not tattooed. | | tbyars@netcom.com | | | Sound.Vision AppleLink | | __________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) Subject: uncompressing .gz Message-ID: <CD83EB.6pq@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 04:06:10 GMT Hello All, I am running NS 2.1 and have a file that has been compressed to give it the .gz ending. Does anybody know how I can decompress this? Brian -- **********************IOWA***STATE***UNIVERSITY********************** * Brian Morrison sela@iastate.edu (NeXT Mail welcome!) * * -------------------------------------------------------------- * * He who throws mud loses ground. * *********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: .pkg creator for Installer.app Message-ID: <1993Sep5.193106.17498@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 19:31:06 GMT We used to have a program that created .pkg files, but for some reason its gone astray. Does anyone have a program that will quickly and easily create a .pkg file? I know the format is easy, but a program that already does it will be even easier. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ethernet number Date: 12 Sep 1993 13:07:00 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <26v6tk$5bq@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> <CD7t0n.JBz@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> In article <CD7t0n.JBz@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> lusty@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Diana Shoemaker) writes: >Try typing >grep Ethernet /usr/adm/messages >Diana This won't work if /usr/adm/messages doesn't have that information. The 'hostid' command gives you what you're looking for, in a different format. Try this alias: alias hostid 'hostid | sed -e '\''s/0x[0-9]00/00000f00/g'\'' -e '\''s/[0-9a-f][0 -9a-f]/&:/g'\'' -e '\''s/:$//g'\''' [all one line of course] ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Mencken and Nathan's Ninth Law of The Average American: The quality of a champagne is judged by the amount of noise the cork makes when it is popped.
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ethernet number Date: 12 Sep 1993 16:49:09 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <26vju5INNao0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> In article <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> cdouty@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu writes: >In article <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no >(Borre Ludvigsen) writes: >> Brian J. Morrison writes >> > How does one find one's ethernet address? >> > Brian >> > sela@iastate.edu >> There are several schemes for doing this: > [methods for finding IP address deleted] >Brian was asking for his _ethernet_ address, not his Internet Protocol address. >All the methods mentioned give the IP address. >To my knowledge, the only was to get the ethernet address is to look at it >during boot. You need to get to the ROM monitor and set the "verbose boot" >flags. >If anyone knows of a way to display the ethernet address without taking odwn >the machine, I'd love to know it. How about: % grep 'Ethernet address' /usr/adm/messages -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Troff to RTF converter??? Date: 12 Sep 1993 16:58:47 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <26vkg7INNasc@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <CD7rFG.2qJ@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> In article <CD7rFG.2qJ@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com writes: >Does any know of or have a Troff to RTF converter? I'm sick of looking at >and working with hard formatted man pages... Well, it's probably not what you had in mind :-) but you could open each man page in Librarian, copy and paste into an RTF Edit window, and save the file. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ethernet number Date: 12 Sep 1993 18:54:27 GMT Organization: /etc/organization Message-ID: <26vr93$mik@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Sep11.211453.4974@dhhalden.no> <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> In article <CD7rzM.15J@news.claremont.edu> cdouty@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu writes: >Brian was asking for his _ethernet_ address, not his Internet Protocol address. >All the methods mentioned give the IP address. >To my knowledge, the only was to get the ethernet address is to look at it >during boot. You need to get to the ROM monitor and set the "verbose boot" >flags. > >If anyone knows of a way to display the ethernet address without taking odwn >the machine, I'd love to know it. Someone posted the following method to find the ethernet address of any machine on the local subnet (any machine not just NeXTs). /usr/etc/ping hostname /usr/etc/arp hostname in that order. The second command gives you both the IP address and the ethernet address of 'hostname' -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
From: glenn@iridium.digex.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Troff to RTF converter??? Date: 12 Sep 1993 18:50:26 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <26vr1i$bjj@news1.digex.net> References: <26vkg7INNasc@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In article <26vkg7INNasc@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > > In article <CD7rFG.2qJ@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com writes: > >Does any know of or have a Troff to RTF converter? I'm sick of looking at > >and working with hard formatted man pages... > > Well, it's probably not what you had in mind :-) but you could open each man > page in Librarian, copy and paste into an RTF Edit window, and save the file. > -- > > Art Isbell Cubic Solutions > NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting > NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 > USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515 You could try this tickleservice that I wrote... --------------------- Copy the following as Service ----------------- # Begin TickleServices Version 1.02mab Data "Menu Item" = "Tickle Services/Display manpage as .ps..."; "Send Type" = "NXFilenamePboardType"; "Tcl" = "\ # This service will display a selected manpage as an .ps document # with whatever application that you have designated to display # .ps files. # # Written by Glenn Rempe # glenn@iridium.digex.net # 7/26/93 set manpage [openpanel -directory /usr/man -prompt Display: -title \"\ Display manpage as .ps\" -return] exec /usr/bin/tbl $manpage | /usr/bin/eqn | /usr/bin/ptroff -t -man |\ open "; "Timeout" = "2000"; # End TickleServices Data ------------------------------------------------------------------ Glenn -- Glenn D. Rempe (NeXTMAIL) glenn@iridium.digex.net
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? Date: 12 Sep 1993 21:32:24 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2704h8INN478@clem.handheld.com> References: <CD5sD8.547@moksha.uucp> In article <CD5sD8.547@moksha.uucp> mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) writes: > In article <26i3vcINNkid@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De > Arras) writes: > > > > Don't forget IPT's uShare package. They have a client package for the NeXT, > > and also have a server option, where the NeXT file system appears as an > > appleshare volume, AND any printer connected to/available to the NeXT > appears > > to the Mac as a laserwriter, for easy print interface. > > > > Jim > > But does it work ? I have not been impressed by their NeXT knowledge.... Yep, works great! Had a problem with Netware running at the same time, it was solved by starting IPT first. Seems Netware does not pass through the appletalk frames if it's running in 802.3 frame mode. But the Macs here all get to use the NeXTprinter as a LaserWriter, and even sees a the lowly Panasonic 24xx printer, (which is emulating a IBM proprinter24, and is being rastered by the NeXT proprinter driver) as another laserwriter! > > What experiences have others had ? > > -- > > > -Michael Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA-ILA, GOA, CCRKBA, | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous GSSF, VSRRA | servant and a fearful master." jmd@handheld.com | -- George Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing NeXTSTEP with Toshiba 3401 cdrom Message-ID: <1993Sep12.022948.6536@nic.csu.net> From: awong@springfield.SFSU.EDU (Adrian Wong) Date: 12 Sep 93 02:29:48 PDT Distribution: usa Organization: San Francisco State UniversityI'm installing NS on AMI motherboard 486-dx33 w/16 mega ram Any Help .. Thanks Adrian
From: don@b62178.student.CWRU.Edu (Donald J. Siegel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: sound in xmosaic Date: 12 Sep 1993 22:23:01 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2707g5$ctr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> How do I get sound to work on xmosaic under MouseX? Thanks in advance, don...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@mindvox.phantom.com (Ian Bainbridge) Subject: NeXT Zealots Message-ID: <14Bs0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Originator: ian@mindvox Sender: news@mindvox.phantom.com Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 22:24:47 GMT I personally use computers to accomplish tasks. I don't use them because I have nothing better to do with my time, or particularily want to see one company succeed over another due to religious mania. If MicroSoft made software that fit my needs, I would be more than happy using their products, because I don't really care whether Bill Gates is a billionaire, trillionaire, or pauper, what I am purchasing are applications, not magical auras and mission-critical pretty menus. I am on a system called MindVox which is something of a NeXT mecca and everybody from a large percentage of the users, to the owners of the parent company, personally promote and use NeXT's. Part of my descision to purchase NeXT was colored by this. When something does not work, then the local NeXT forums try to offer help with workarounds, make available "under the table" patches from developers who have access to such things, or have reasonable discussion. What seems to happen with a small but very vocal percentage of the people in comp.sys.next, is not only a lack of help in solving problems, but this strange attitude of denial, where someone who points out a problem, even a very serious problem such as the former serial drivers which crashed all the time, is somehow "evil" and "against NeXT" because they want something they've paid for, and depend on, to work. This attitude can be shrugged off and ignored, because I realize that many people at .edu sites have a lot of spare time and little to do with it, so championing NeXT might be an interesting hobby. But letters such as this one, are really puzzling. Is the following supposed to somehow demonstrate that the people who really believe in NeXT are something other than lunatics who border on the psychotic? This was sent to me in response to comments made about faulty serial drivers, which were not even MY comments, I merely followed-up a message, and agreed with its contents: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > You just don't give up, do you? Look, 3.1 has been released for a > whopping 3 months. The serial port situation has been known from the > start (beta days) and has been under development. Talk about a > whining little asshole. Jesus Christ. You act like its the end of the > world and that nothing will ever change and that NS is junk because > of temporary limitations on serial port drivers. I don't know what > the fuck mindvox is, but all I ever see coming out of there is > bullshit from a bunch of 16 year old cock sucking faggots. I'm tired > of your bullshit, so go shove a DOS disk up your slimey asshole. I'll > be happy to assist if you find that a difficult task. > > If you need a translation, just let me know Mr. Buttfuck. Without even attempting to rationalize where so much hate and anger comes from, which I realize this person is just venting in my direction for lack of another outlet, what on earth is that supposed to convey to somebody who has spent nearly $3000 in support of NeXT's products because they want to convince their corporation to give NeXT a chance? Most people I have talked with do not hate anybody, or have any religious mission for or against NeXT. They have some simple, basic problems with functionality and stability that they need resolved before they can run those "mission-critical custom apps" on a platform. I'm sure NS is fine for playing around, but I'm not interested in playing around, were I, I would have downloaded Linux instead. I have work to get done, and select my software and hardware, based on the needs they fill, not the marketing the parent company does or doesn't do. ian ################# @ #Ian Bainbridge # mindvox. # ############################################### phantom. # I am not responsible for my opinons, I don't know or care! # com ###############################################################
From: buckley@mayo.edu (Paul Buckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Date: 13 Sep 1993 00:41:43 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <26tjkj$det@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> In article <26tjkj$det@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) writes: > Irving_Wolfe (irving@Happy-Man.com) wrote: > : Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by > : Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! > > My two cents are that it corrupts the NeXT Style Guide. > > Sorry ... Alex Keiblinger > -- > "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that" I have clutter on my desk. Now I can have clutter on my screen. It seems I work better with clutter and NeXT shouldn't care if I do. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley Mayo Graduate School (NeXT Mail) Guggenheim 14 buckley@mayo.edu 200 First Street SW FAX 507-284-9349 Rochester, MN TEL 507-284-2065 55905 _________________________________________ "This is the America the Kerner Commission warned us about twenty-five years ago". Ed Garvey pretending to be Bill Clinton.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: christov@nazgul.st.hmc.edu (Christopher R. Douty) Subject: Re: ethernet number Message-ID: <CD9sKI.1M7@news.claremont.edu> Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 References: <26vju5INNao0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 02:07:29 GMT I had forgotten that all the boot messages were stored in /usr/adm/messages. Thanks for reminding me. I knew that there was an easier way to do it. -- Christopher Douty cdouty@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | MIME and | "I ask you, which government christov@tellink.net | NeXTmail OK | is more threat to liberty, the ----------------------------------------------+ weak, severely limited government of 1789, or the mega-state of today that takes 40 to 50 percent of our income, has minions as numerous as the stars in the heavens and
From: mycroft@monolith.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Date: 13 Sep 1993 03:46:09 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <270qe1$t22@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> In article <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> buckley@mayo.edu (Paul Buckley) writes: > > My two cents are that it corrupts the NeXT Style Guide. > > > > Sorry ... Alex Keiblinger You think MonsterShelf takes liberty with the Style Guide you should look at the new demo of Engage Desktop. "Dock" items everywhere, icons on the desktop, all kinds of crazy things. at least MonsterShelf keeps the icons well ordered on the desktop. -- ======================================================================== Alex Currier | History is made at night... mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Character is what you are in the dark. ========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MonsterShelf & Background Message-ID: <1993Sep12.223057.6975@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) Date: 12 Sep 93 22:30:56 CST Organization: As little as I can get away with... Are MonsterShelf & Background compatible? -- kc
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: New Serial Port Drivers now available at ftp.next.com Date: 11 Sep 1993 11:56:59 -0000 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <26seeb$199@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1993Sep8.022332.13882@relief.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: >So all you goddamn whining bastards shut the hell up, and get the new >drivers!!!!!!!!!! Watch your language. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Cray computers? Where? When?? How???
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Date: 11 Sep 1993 12:18:39 -0000 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <26sfmv$1ac@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <sean-060993161441@128.187.73.66> <69Li0B2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> <26ien4$h6b@infoserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> <Sep8.215437.19753@acs.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keywords: SERIAL DRIVER CRASH BURN bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >> Maybe someone from NeXT could give us the *REAL* release date >> for the serial drivers. C'mon NeXT, it cannot be so hard to >> write this stuff. >Maybe you could check before writing? You posted this message >AFTER the new drivers became available on ftp.next.com. Can we >just end this thread now? If you have no host directly connected to Internet, it is impossible to peep into ftp.next.com every day. >> I really like NeXTSTEP but how should I recommend an OS that >> crash-and burn on serial transfer and sound. If your software >> people cannot get it right, maybe releasing the driver source >> to public could be a way? >The problems associated with sound are hardware conflicts with >other devices and problems with the ISA bus. They are NOT NeXT's >fault. NeXT's fault is that the Adaptec controller is the only supported ISA SCSI controller, and the ProAudio Spectrum is the only supported sound card. Both cards don't like each other, so all trouble was known from the very beginning. Why didn't NeXT write a driver for a different ISA SCSI controller or maybe a Galaxy VesaLB board? Sometimes I wonder why NeXT supports non-EISA boards at all... >> Even UNSUPPORTED beta drivers are better than the current crap. >... and customers who expressed a need for the beta drivers >should have been able to get them from NeXT. We were able to do >so, as were a number of NeXT's larger customers to whom it was an >issue. I can definitely understand NeXT not wanting to let beta >drivers out on the internet, as they'd discover people using them >years later (don't scoff, it happens... we ran into one fellow >running version 0.97 of the Mac operating system a while back). Maybe they still released a beta. I shot the new drivers twice using 38400 bps DTE speed. At least the error messages became much more verbose before entering the famous "RDP exception". However, the new drivers seem to be stable at 19200. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Cray computers? Where? When?? How???
From: Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DSP interfacing question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 02:10:32 -0400 Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0gZ0vMa00iUyE_5M0L@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi. I need to find out how to do clocked 48kHz digital I/O through the NeXT DSP port. I will be connecting the DSP port through a homebrew S/PDIF interface (Crystal chipset) to the coaxial digital I/O on an audio DAT deck, and dumping raw audio data on the following paths: Hard disk <-> memory <-> DSP <-> S/PDIF converter circuit <-> DAT deck DMA I've got the hardware worked out but I have a few software questions: 1) Is this possible? Does the 56001 support arbitrary clock rates on the its serial I/O port? 2) Where would I find information on how to write the software? Thanks, -- Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zulu!errol (Errol Ginsberg) Subject: Re: ethernet number on Intel!!! Message-ID: <1993Sep13.045704.6653@ridgeback.com> Sender: errol@ridgeback.com Organization: Ridgeback Solutions References: <CD7t0z.33w@news.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 04:57:04 GMT In article <CD7t0z.33w@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J. Morrison) writes: > > Thanks to all who responded. I chose to do the simple shut down and > cmd ~ after the system test and was able to get my ethernet number. > > Brian > sela@iastate.edu (NeXT Mail accepted!!) Now tell me how you get a machine's ethernet address on the fly (programmatically) on NS/Intel? The hostid function does not work on Intel! -- Regards, Errol Ginsberg Ridgeback Solutions Tel: 310/456-6094 Fax: 310/456-9715 -- Regards, Errol Ginsberg Ridgeback Solutions
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT's running with Mac IIsi ROM? Date: 13 Sep 1993 00:00:34 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <2715qi$dc5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I recently read in NeXTWorld that some company was working on a box that would access the DSP port and load Mac IIsi rom code into a NeXT. Could someone give details? I am interested and want to know it its B.S. or what. Anybody know more than what NW says? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kjell@oops.se(Kjell Nilsson) Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Message-ID: <1993Sep13.060827.13210@oops.se> Sender: kjell@oops.se Organization: OOPSart - ObjectWareHouse References: <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:08:27 GMT > In article <26tjkj$det@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander > Keiblinger) writes: > > Irving_Wolfe (irving@Happy-Man.com) wrote: > > : Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by > > : Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! > > > > My two cents are that it corrupts the NeXT Style Guide. > > Well, then they have to rewrite the styleguide so it doesn't anymore! --Kjell
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scp@sonia.math.ucla.edu (S. Port) Subject: insurance, AC conditioner Message-ID: <1993Sep13.043002.27611@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 04:30:02 GMT A Positive Experience On July 1, a power surge destroyed my 400 meg internal Seagate. I replaced it within a week with an identical one from Pixelated Technologies. I decided a few weeks later to submit a claim on my computer insurance. My 040 cube with assorted peripherals is covered up to $17,000 by Safeware, Inc. of Columbus, Ohio. I filled out the very short form and lo and behold, today received a $380 check from them - no questions asked. I highly recommend them for their prompt, courteous service. Annual premium for this coverage is $159 and obviously a good investment for me. To prevent a repeat of this incident I installed an AC power conditioner called PowerPack II. This is the lo end model of the PowerWedge line made for hi end audio components. It has two plugs for digital components and four for analog, costs $219 and comes in black. Since installing, my external ST11200 Seagate runs close to silently, more smoothly than before, but with a higher pitch. The floppy drive which used to buzz its way through read/writes now also runs silently. I highly recommend this piece as insurance to protect hard to replace NeXT Motorola equipment. Safeware Insurance 800-848-0559 PowerPackII/PowerWedge thru Audio Advisor 800-942-0220 Thanks to Dan Port at Pixelated Technologies 800-PIXELME I have no affiliation with any of these companies - just a satisfied customer. Charles Dvorak ***************************************************************** The instrument of the future must not be more than, say, 1 1/2 times as large as a portable typewriter. For one should not strike too many wrong keys on a typewriter either. Why should it not be possible for a musician, also, to type so accurately that no mistakes occur? Arnold Schoenberg - May 10, 1949 *****************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bav@bergen.siodata.no (Bjorn Asle Valde) Subject: Patch for timezone (relevant in europe) Message-ID: <1993Sep13.074857.13292@alf.uib.no> Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 07:48:57 GMT About the recent discussion on TimeZone's for CET/MET users: An easy to apply patch to correct the timezone labels (relevant for central-european-time users) is uploaded to the submissions directories on cs.orst.edu and ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de At the muenchen archive look for TimeZonePatch.compressed in the submissions directory, the patch will eventually probably move to /pub/comp/platforms/next/Patches. In scandinavia: alf.uib.no:/pub/unix/next/updates. The patch is known to be required and is tested on NEXTSTEP version 3.0 & 3.1. Thanks goes to whoever first invented the correct labels file, we've lost track... Mvh, -bav -- Bjorn Asle Valde - SiO Data Bergen, Christiesgt.13, N-5015 Bergen, Norway. Email: valde@bergen.siodata.no Phones: +47-5-320240 Fax: +47-5-320238
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: NeXT in the court room Message-ID: <1993Sep13.111616.4824@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <tbyarsCD82yA.Gnu@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:16:16 GMT In article <tbyarsCD82yA.Gnu@netcom.com> tbyars@netcom.com (Tim Byars) writes: [ message text missing ] Yep, I saw the NeXT on Court-TV too! Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com NeXT-mail preferred, MIME-mail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <CD9AMv.73A@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:40:06 GMT In article <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca> frite@zuse.info.polymtl.ca (Michel Besner) writes: >In article <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: >>In article <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: >>> we just got an indigo2 extreme in the door and we sure >>> wish it had NeXTSTEP on it. same w/ our hp 735. can't >>> wait for NS on that. >>> >>> most people in our group prefer to telnet to the sgi or >>> hp from their NeXT because the other gui's arent as >>> nice. >>> >>> here's 21 votes for NS on sgi! >>> >>> kelley wittmeyer >>> dept of atmospheric science >>> colorado state university >> >>Here's another 4, at least... >> >>-- >>Fernando D. Mato Mira > > Oh no !!!!!! They're BACK !!!! :( > >Hey NS, go ask Steve Jobs for this and stop popping this request >every month or so. > > NS is nice, but not as impressive as I used to think > SGI is doing a pretty good job on IRIX > > You might say that NS has this and that that IRIX doesn't have >but the list is getting shorter (have you driven an Indy with IRIX5.1 >lately ?) > > > >See you in a month > >BTW, if SGI would include a toaster with every Indigo, you would >get more than 25 P.O. :) :) > > >-- > Michel Besner, eng > Sacred Heart Hospital research center > >"life is a big bowl of JELL-O :) :) " It would be interesting to know just what the protagonists in this debate actually want to do on their Indy-with-Irix versus Indy-with-NS. I would gues that Indy-with-NS would be preferable for "real" [ 8^)] development of serious [ 8^)] custom software, if productivity and excellence were both issues. david -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@flip.cpsc.ucalgary.ca | (Albert Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: black spray paint (yes i found the faq, &...) Message-ID: <CD9AyG.7rr@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <1993Sep9.132541.2840@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:47:03 GMT In article <1993Sep9.132541.2840@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> karl@khaos.com writes: >I found this in the faq's: >__________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: F13. Where can I get black spray paint for my NeXT? > [munch] > >And i called the number given, but they were of little or no help. What [munch] > >Any help appreciated. Please email. >pax, > Karl > *-----> > >Karl Hanzel >Boulder, Colorado > >karl@khaos.com (NeXT Mail) or hanzel@comet.ucar.edu >(303)443-6602 -home- (303)497-8479 -work- > >-- > >Karl Hanzel >Boulder, Colorado > Call Simson Garfinkel [simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us]-- he *had* to get the Sherwin Williams paint code to carry out his cube burning at Lawrence Livermore!! (see his recent Cube Burning posting). He has the full MDS sheet. david &^) -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@flip.cpsc.ucalgary.ca | (Albert Einstein)
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.binaries.pictures Subject: Need image of a mole (TIFF or EPS) Date: 13 Sep 1993 14:12:20 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <271v44$48j@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Keywords: TIFF, EPS, mole I need an image of a mole (the animal not the blemish) in either TIFF or EPS format. Lineart is preferred, but beggars can't be choosers. Could someone email me where I could find such a critter? Thanks in advance. -- Bryan Milligan Department of Aerospace Engineering Voice: (409) 845-7541 Texas A&M University Fax: (409) 845-6051 bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MonsterShelf & Background Message-ID: <1993Sep13.084000.474@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Sep 93 08:40:00 MDT References: <1993Sep12.223057.6975@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Organization: Utah State University In article <1993Sep12.223057.6975@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) writes: > > Are MonsterShelf & Background compatible? > > -- kc I just tried it, they are not compatible. Background dominates over the MonsterShelf icons. Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ae827@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Daly) Subject: background execution Message-ID: <CDAsp9.yz@freenet.carleton.ca> Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 15:07:56 GMT Does anyone know if it is possible to run background tasks while logged off the system. I have tried the normal & method for setting the task as background but when I log off the task is aborted. I have tried terminal and stewart with csh. thanks mike --
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GEC/CONTINENTAL 486/66 Date: 13 Sep 1993 14:56:36 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2721n4$b6t@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <26r3bi$694@transfer.stratus.com> In article 694@transfer.stratus.com, djep@fountainhills.az.stratus.com (Dave_Jepson) writes: > Stratus doesn't build workstations. I guess that depends on what you define as a "workstation". Stratus builds computers with workstation performance characteristics. They are engineered as "non-stop", by my understanding (like Tandems are), and are pricey as a result (in comparison to normal workstations, that is. I'm sure they are price-competitive in the "non-stop" market). Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jon_Hendry@afs.com Subject: Re: New serial drivers in this century? Message-ID: <1993Sep13.145858.333@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <26sfmv$1ac@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 14:58:58 GMT In article <26sfmv$1ac@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: | If you have no host directly connected to Internet, it is impossible | to peep into ftp.next.com every day. Send mail to nextanswers@next.com with a subject of "search serial" or "search driver" or whatever you're interested in. You'll get back a list of all the Nextanswers documents that match your query. Do it as often as you want. -- Jon Hendry <jon@afs.com> summer co-op Anderson Financial Systems #import <disclaimers/afsdisclaimers.h> Drexel University College of Info. Studies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Message-ID: <1993Sep13.145447.8460@KYnug.org> Sender: neil@KYnug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. References: <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 14:54:47 GMT In article <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> buckley@mayo.edu (Paul Buckley) writes: > In article <26tjkj$det@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander > Keiblinger) writes: > > Irving_Wolfe (irving@Happy-Man.com) wrote: > > : Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by > > : Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! > > > > My two cents are that it corrupts the NeXT Style Guide. > > > > Sorry ... Alex Keiblinger > > -- > > "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that" > > I have clutter on my desk. Now I can have clutter on my screen. It seems I > work better with clutter and NeXT shouldn't care if I do. Myself and a co-worker were talking last night and he was wondering why NeXT simply has not extended the functionality of the Doc? I am sure it may not be high on their list of things to do; but, it would make sense. The point was noted that for some reason, Doc extension programs seem to always have a glitch in them somewhere. It would be nice to have multiple levels on the doc with similar configurations as those found in Engage. This is one problem I see. It would cut Engage's marketplace. I guess this is the question, "where does the user want the functionality, in the O/S or in a third party app?" -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Message-ID: <r2$@byu.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 12:10:25 MDT From: yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Distribution: world References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca> <CD9AMv.73A@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! In article <CD9AMv.73A@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) writes: >It would be interesting to know just what the protagonists in this debate >actually want to do on their Indy-with-Irix versus Indy-with-NS. I >would gues that Indy-with-NS would be preferable for "real" [ 8^)] >development of serious [ 8^)] custom software, if productivity and >excellence were both issues. Oh, no. We just want to play games. Xox on steroids. :-) Later, -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
From: warren@apl.washington.edu (Warren L. J. Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help requested: Pinnacle optical drive Message-ID: <272d1l$6r9@news.u.washington.edu> Date: 13 Sep 93 18:09:57 GMT Article-I.D.: news.272d1l$6r9 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Washington Hello, Does anyone have experience using a Pinnacle Micro PMO-650 removable optical drive with their NeXT station? It is recognized at boot time, but an error occurs when we try to initialize a disk. Is an entry in the /etc/disktab file needed? Thanks in advance for any help on this matter!! -- Warren L. J. Fox , E-mail: warren@apl.washington.edu Applied Physics Laboratory, University of Washington (206) 685-2125 or (206) 543-1300
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Recommendations for (Intel) entry-level USER system? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:07:40 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-130993110740@17.220.88.2> While everyone has debated which White hardware offers good performance and compatability for development systems, I'm looking for suggestions for a decent low-end machine for the basic spreadsheet/word-processing stuff. The machine must also be able to run Soft-PC. Someone is looking to buy an Intel box to run DOS/Windows, and I thought this might be a good oportunity to spec out a minimal system that could also run NS. I would imagine a 100-150 MB hard disc, 8 MB Ram (to get started - I'll make sure that the SIMM configuration allows additional chips to be added without losing too much of the original investment), and a 800x600 (approx.) monitor would all make for a tolerable user system - even if only running NS in greyscale. I don't have any information on the chip-upgrade capabilities of some Intel machines (I heard that Compaq offered a motherboard which could get a performance boost by swapping in a faster CPU.) By ensuring a reasonable upgrade path, one might squeek by with a slow machine now, yet spend some money down the road to breath more life into the system when the situation allowed. Again, this system only needs to run Windows for now, so any NS-compatability will be a bonus. I won't worry about how to load NeXTSTEP on the disk just yet. At first I was thinking of taking replies by email, but I think this would be a valid point of discussion since a lot of people are wondering how developers plan to deploy their general purpose apps in businesses that didn't want to invest a lot on clerical desktops. -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Subject: Re: Troff to RTF converter??? Message-ID: <mdixon.747947195@thelonius> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox PARC References: <CD7rFG.2qJ@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Date: 13 Sep 93 19:06:35 GMT > Does any know of or have a Troff to RTF converter? I'm sick of looking at > and working with hard formatted man pages... here's a perl script that takes the output from nroff & produces nice looking rtf files (essentially identical to what Librarian does). .mike. (it's the first & only perl script i ever wrote, so i'm sure it could be done cleaner, but it works fine.) ------------------------------------------------------------ #!/usr/local/bin/perl print "{\\rtf0\\ansi{\\fonttbl\\f0\\fmodern Ohlfs;}\n", "\\paperw12160\n", "{\\colortbl\\red0\\green0\\blue0;}\n", "\\pard\\f0\\b0\\i0\\ul0\\fs24\\fc0\n"; $skip = 1; while (<STDIN>) { chop; if ($_ ne "") { while (/(_\008.)+/) { $bld = $&; $_ = $'; do fix($`,"\n\\ul "); $bld =~ s/_\008//g; do fix($bld,"\n\\ul0 "); } do fix($_,"\\\n"); $skip = 0; } elsif (! $skip) { print "\\\n"; $skip = 1; } } print "}\n"; sub fix { local($tmp,$tail) = @_; $tmp =~ s/\\/\\\\/g; $tmp =~ s/\{/\\\{/g; $tmp =~ s/\}/\\\}/g; print $tmp,$tail; }
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DSP interfacing question Date: 13 Sep 1993 19:36:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <272i41$ebe@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <0gZ0vMa00iUyE_5M0L@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <0gZ0vMa00iUyE_5M0L@andrew.cmu.edu> Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >I've got the hardware worked out but I have a few software questions: > >1) Is this possible? Does the 56001 support arbitrary clock rates on >the its serial I/O port? You can run SSI at an arbitrary clock rates if you use an external clock source (supply clock from your external box and make 56001 use it as SSI clock). If you use internal clock, then you must choose from a finite number of frequencies set by a divisor and the 56001's clock running at 25MHz. >2) Where would I find information on how to write the software? If you haven't seen JeanLarouch.tar.Z examples you should get it from ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu:/pub/DSP. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: NeXT Zealots Message-ID: <1993Sep13.204006.6169@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <14Bs0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:40:06 GMT I agree 100% right in your comments and am embarrassed by them as one who is involved with NeXT software. Don't know what to suggest except that you ignore the fanactics (pro and con) and get on with business. Paradoxically, it is most bothersome to encounter this behavior among those who see themselves as being supporters of NeXT. I will add the observation that there are a lot of non-fanatic people out there who are usually silent and generally sensible when they contribute -- and this forum is, unfortunately, often misrepresentative of them. The misc group isn't usually too bad, and the programming group is pretty good (and the advocacy group is ruled by those who haven't anything better to do even though they apparently have access to a NeXT!) Sorry it has been visiting you in your mailbox as well. Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: Tom Poiker Graphics Message-ID: <1993Sep13.210914.4862@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 21:09:14 GMT A friend of mine is looking for a graphics collection by somebody named Tom Poiker. It was just a collection of various tiff images. It used to be on the sonata and orst archive sites, but a recent look shows that they've been removed. Does anyone know where they might be now? Please e-mail replies to the address below. Thanks alot! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "For I am a Bear of Very Department of Radiology Little Brain, and University of Alberta Hospitals long words bother me." Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Winnie the Pooh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: MonsterShelf & Background Message-ID: <1993Sep13.200145.27304@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Sep13.084000.474@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:01:45 GMT In article <1993Sep13.084000.474@cc.usu.edu> slv0y@cc.usu.edu writes: >>In article <1993Sep12.223057.6975@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) writes: >>> >>> Are MonsterShelf & Background compatible? >>> >>> -- kc >> >>I just tried it, they are not compatible. Background dominates over the >>MonsterShelf icons. >> >>Z. As does Co-Xist... -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Message-ID: <1993Sep13.194904.26254@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Sep10.234434.6055@Happy-Man.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 19:49:04 GMT In article <1993Sep10.234434.6055@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) writes: >>Anyone who hasn't picked up MonsterShelf.app, recently posted by >>Brian Pinkerton, might do so. I think it's really neat! >>-- Definately! One of those "It just works" kinda' apps. Way to go Brian. -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: How2 change date/time format in fax? Message-ID: <1993Sep13.190311.515@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Sep 93 19:03:11 MDT Organization: Utah State University I am trying to change the format of the date that appears in the date field of the fax cover page. I have played around the the GLOBAL defaults NXDate, NXTime, and NXDateAndTime, and they don't seem to have any effect. How can I change the date/time format for stuff like the fax cover page? I have checked all of the logical places for info, but to no avail... Any help would be greatly appreciated, John Z. slv0y@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep14.033014.780@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 03:30:14 GMT If everyone knows but me, then I'll apologize wholeheartedly for wasting bandwidth. What, David, are you doing to strike back at Lotus since they won the suit? Inquiring minds want to know. Kris "I'm running out of time" Magnusson Alpine Computing MicroAge Advanced Information Systems (a NEXTSTEP-only reseller) -- Yan Fang-Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctoral candidate, Department of Philosophy, University of Utah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@angst.com (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Re: Help requested: Pinnacle optical drive Message-ID: <1993Sep14.043042.1763@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production References: <272d1l$6r9@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 04:30:42 GMT In article <272d1l$6r9@news.u.washington.edu> warren@apl.washington.edu (Warren L. J. Fox) writes: > Hello, > Does anyone have experience using a Pinnacle Micro PMO-650 > removable optical drive with their NeXT station? It is > recognized at boot time, but an error occurs when we try to > initialize a disk. Is an entry in the /etc/disktab file > needed? Thanks in advance for any help on this matter!! I use a PMO-650. I've been using an /etc/disktab entry since 3.0. They said come 3.1 I wouldn't need the disktab entry, but that hasn't been my experience. Put this in /etc/disktab and your disks will initialize and mount without having to open a Terminal window: PINNACLEOHD-650:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#18643:nt#1:ns#31:ss#1024:rm#3600:\ :fp#160:bp#256:\ :os=sdmach:z0#32:z1#96:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#288339:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#16:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: Hope this helps. -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep14.062812.26920@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Sep14.033014.780@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 06:28:12 GMT He got a "Viewpoint" piece published in the Sep. 7 issue of _Bay Area Computer Currents_, so there are no doubt many others wondering the same thing. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: roy@indirect.com (Roy Stewart) Subject: Re: background execution Message-ID: <roy.747991260@indirect.com> Organization: Internet Direct Inc. -- (602) 274-0100 References: <CDAsp9.yz@freenet.carleton.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:21:00 GMT ae827@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Daly) writes: >Does anyone know if it is possible to run background tasks while >logged off the system. I have tried the normal & method for >setting the task as background but when I log off the task is >aborted. I have tried terminal and stewart with csh. >thanks >mike >-- Set you task in a cron job. Cron does not care if you are logged in or not and cron can run jobs as root if desired. -- Thank You. roy@indirect.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: manzara@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Leonard Manzara) Subject: man pages display in Digital Librarian Message-ID: <CDBroL.MrK@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 03:43:32 GMT In NS 3.0, when using Digital Librarian to list the titles of either local or Unix Man pages, the whatis database was used to give a short description of each command. For example: grep, egrep, fgrep (1) - search a file for a pattern For my local man pages, I could run the following in the directory containing the local /man? subdirectories to prepare them to be used in DL: /usr/etc/catman -w -M /Disk2/LocalLibrary/Documentation/ManPages ixbuild -gv (Of course, .displayCommand, .index.iname, and .index.itype must be properly set up). After doing this, any commands found in my local man pages were always listed with the section following in parentheses, followed by the whatis description. Under 3.1, this seems not to work anymore. In fact, the system-supplied man pages don't use the whatis description, and the man pages are listed like so: man1/grep.1 This looks pretty ugly---I certainly prefer the old 3.0 way of displaying man pages! Am I doing something wrong, or has Digital Librarian changed the way it handles this. I suspect that it has, since the system-supplied man pages don't display the whatis description (at least on my system). Any fixes? Leonard Manzara manzara@cpsc.UCalgary.CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep14.142945.10146@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <1993Sep14.033014.780@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1993Sep14.062812.26920@csus.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 14:29:45 GMT In article <1993Sep14.062812.26920@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >He got a "Viewpoint" piece published in the Sep. 7 issue of >_Bay Area Computer Currents_, so there are no doubt many >others wondering the same thing. > > -=EPS=- I'm sure the net.community will find a press release in comp.sys.next.announce soon concerning what David is doing and what he intends to accomplish. But I did find out a little more information after rereading the article in Computer Reseller News concerning his legal action. He has filed a writ in the case of Lotus vs. Borland that claims his freedom of expression is damaged by monopoly control over the 1-2-3 macro language. I hope David brings down Goliath. Kris -- Yan Fang-Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctoral candidate, Department of Philosophy, University of Utah
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Pro Audio hot key? Message-ID: <Sep.14.11.13.03.1993.1039@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 14 Sep 93 15:13:04 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, Ive stumbled on an interesting thing with the PAS 16 card that I have installed. Now its installed correctly and seems to work with no problems. The weird thing is when I press the Alt(command)-Ctrl-p sequence I get a staticy-voice type sound from the PAS. No bombs, no nothin, but everytime you do it the eiree voice comes out. At first I thought it was my modem auto-answering, but it is the PAS. Question is, does only happen for me? Later, John
From: tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Date: 14 Sep 1993 15:33:20 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <274o80$esp@hermes.athena.com> Keywords: Lotus, lawsuit, freedom Dave is out of town and away from net access so I am taking the liberty of posting this for him. Here is what Dave has to say about what he is up to: FROM THE DESK OF DAVE POLLAK: I wanted to bring the folks on this list up to date on my actions and the background. I have filed the petition personally. I am not alleging any harm to Athena Design nor is the company at all involved with the suit. (Athena Design is the company that I founded. We have the best selling NEXTSTEP spreadsheet, Mesa, and until two weeks ago, Mesa could execute macros written in the Lotus Macro Language.) The company will stay within the law. The Lotus v. Borland decision is the first decision to grant copyright protection to a language. Based on the reasoning in the decision, AT&T owns a copyright on the C language and anybody with a C compiler is currently infringing on that copyright. I found the decision and its reasoning deeply disturbing. Somebody had to do something about it. Seeing as I am the only lawyer in the world who has written a spreadsheet that can run Lotus Macros, I figured is was that somebody. I claim that a computer program written in any language is protected speech. This should be a very easy point to win, although there is no case law on it. Further, I claim that the grant of monopoly rights in a language that I use for protected speech infringes my First Amendment right to express myself in that language. The relief that I am seeking is simply to have the Lotus v. Borland decision remanded and decided such that it does not infringe on my rights to express myself in a computer language. Think about a situation in which the government granted monopoly rights to a printing company such that anybody who wrote a Chinese language publication had to have it printed by this company. That would abridge the rights of anybody who used Chinese as a means of expression. I use programs written in the Lotus Macro Language as a means for business and creative expression. Under the Borland ruling, I must go to the Lotus "printing company" and pay a royalty to express myself in this language. This is prior restraint. First Amendment and prior restraint draws the attention of the Court and the issues underlying mandamus should be possible to overcome. You may be wondering why I chose a civil rights tact to what seems to be a business-related issue. For me and the people I associate with, this is our civil right. We have just been told to step to the back of the bus because Lotus now owns the bus. It is very important to me that a community that I saw grow from infancy into a very influential and powerful industry be protected and allowed to continue to grow and thrive. If you don't know me, the preceding sentence may not make much sense. I have been around the computer industry since the days of the garages. I have seen what a few people with a vision and fire in their eyes can do. I do not want this spirit of great creativity to be stifled by a law that will benefit the current owners of computer languages, but harm the creative spirits and consumers who benefit greatly from the tools that the computer nerds have built. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Tracy Kugelman, Athena Design on behalf of Dave Pollak
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Date: 14 Sep 1993 12:09:29 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <274qbp$79p@digifix.digifix.com> References: <1993Sep14.142945.10146@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Yan Fang writes > I'm sure the net.community will find a press release in > comp.sys.next.announce soon concerning what David is doing and what he > intends to accomplish. > > But I did find out a little more information after rereading the article > in Computer Reseller News concerning his legal action. He has filed a > writ in the case of Lotus vs. Borland that claims his freedom of > expression is damaged by monopoly control over the 1-2-3 macro language. Actually that Press Release I sent you was posted a few weeks ago. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: giddings@sadie.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Zealots Date: 14 Sep 1993 17:37:02 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <274vfu$dt4@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <14Bs0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> In article <14Bs0B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> ian@mindvox.phantom.com (Ian Bainbridge) writes: >This attitude can be shrugged off and ignored, because I realize >that many people at .edu sites have a lot of spare time and little >to do with it, so championing NeXT might be an interesting hobby. >But letters such as this one, are really puzzling. Is the following >supposed to somehow demonstrate that the people who really believe >in NeXT are something other than lunatics who border on the >psychotic? > . . . > [quoted letter from john@wpa.com deleted] I agree with you that the letter from john@wpa.com seems uncalled for. However, why do people such as yourself continue to insist that every ill of these newsgroups is caused by those at .edu sites? This is especially strange when the letter you quote is from a *.com site, and I've seen plenty of flaming, ignorant posts from *.org and *.com sites on these groups, as well as from *.edu sites. I don't like the growing amount of unsupported prejudice that seems to be aimed against educational locations on these groups. Michael Giddings UW Madison Chemistry
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pro Audio hot key? Message-ID: <Sep.14.13.57.31.1993.12536@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 14 Sep 93 17:57:32 GMT References: <Sep.14.11.13.03.1993.1039@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Never mind! (Im stupid)... I had an old atc compressed sound that was beeping weirdly... (boy bevus & butthead laughing mangled is kinda ominous ;) Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Developing on HP Workstations Message-ID: <1993Sep14.185907.18267@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:59:07 GMT In article <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes: > Our users are running > remote from some other turkey machines like an old R2000 Mips thing, an > old 825 and a NeXT Dimension. I'll gladly take that 32-bit color NeXT "turkey" off your hands for the going rate for poultry around here, about $3/lb. -- Nathan Janette Voice: 203 432 5065 Systems Manager Fax: 203 432 3923 Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Yale Univ Dept MB&B/HHMI "I'm a NeXTstep Man, I'm a NeXTcube Guy"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dekorte@next1.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen Lee Dekorte) Subject: NeXT campus reps References: <1993Sep8.100947.24944@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: usenet@mailer.cc.fsu.edu Organization: Florida State University ACNS Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:01:13 GMT Message-ID: <CDCvE2.80H@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Anyone know if NeXT is interesting in hiring campus representatives to promote/demo NSFIP? Anyone know who I might contact to apply for such a position? ( ???@next.com ) Thanks for any info, Steve PS. please respond by email to dekorte@scri.fsu.edu.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: dekorte@next1.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen Lee Dekorte) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! References: <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> Sender: usenet@mailer.cc.fsu.edu Organization: Florida State University ACNS Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:10:07 GMT Message-ID: <CDCvsv.8py@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> In article <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > In article <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: > > we just got an indigo2 extreme in the door and we sure > > wish it had NeXTSTEP on it. same w/ our hp 735. can't > > wait for NS on that. > > > > most people in our group prefer to telnet to the sgi or > > hp from their NeXT because the other gui's arent as > > nice. > > > > here's 21 votes for NS on sgi! > > > > kelley wittmeyer > > dept of atmospheric science > > colorado state university > > Here's another 4, at least... > > Fernando D. Mato Mira > Computer Graphics Lab > Swiss Federal Institute of Technology At least another 7, here as well. Steve Dekorte Biophysics group SCRI, FSU
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: uncompressing .gz Date: 14 Sep 1993 19:17:50 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Message-ID: <2755cu$pbq@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> References: <CD83EB.6pq@news.iastate.edu> In article <CD83EB.6pq@news.iastate.edu>, Brian J. Morrison <sela@iastate.edu> wrote: >Hello All, > >I am running NS 2.1 and have a file that has been compressed to give >it the .gz ending. Does anybody know how I can decompress this? > >Brian > Get gnuzip of the archives (see archie), then rename .gz file to .z file and 'gzip -x file.z'. I once thought .gz was yet another compactor, but then I tried the renaming trick and presto... -Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | #include <std/disclaimer.h> -- -- | #include <std/apologies.h> -- -- Texas A&M University | #include <std/salutations.h> -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | #include <std/asbestos.h> --
From: groovey@wake.engin.umich.edu (Dawn Kinsey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Using DeskJet 500 with NeXT Date: 14 Sep 1993 19:29:19 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <27562fINNa6e@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Originator: groovey@wake.engin.umich.edu Keywords: Printing,DeskJet, NeXT I want to buy an HP DeskJet 500 to use with my NeXT. I found a driver, but I am afraid to buy the printer until I know the driver works. Has anyone had experience with the DeskJet printer driver (obtainted from Anonymous ftp) or the printer in general. Any experiences or advice would be appreciated. Thanks Dawn Kinsey groovey@caen.engin.umich.edu
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] FaxSwitcher II by Peak Performance -- any good? Date: 14 Sep 1993 19:20:50 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2755ii$q33@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Subject just about says it all -- I saw it at Sam's Club for about $70. It has 4 port (I think) and claims to be able to route calls to phone, fax, modem. Does anybody have experience with this product? Is $70 a good price, or does Radio Schack have something equivalent for cheaper? Thanks! Please email to andrewd@cs.tamu.edu Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | #include <std/disclaimer.h> -- -- | #include <std/apologies.h> -- -- Texas A&M University | #include <std/salutations.h> -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | #include <std/asbestos.h> --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Looking for Anthony Berno Message-ID: <1993Sep14.204549.14824@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 20:45:49 GMT Apologies for the use of bandwidth... I'm looking for Anthony Berno of Saltwater City Software; I somehow managed to nuke my file with his address. Any pointers to his email address would be welcome. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: background execution Message-ID: <1993Sep14.070621.8789@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <CDAsp9.yz@freenet.carleton.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 07:06:21 GMT In article <CDAsp9.yz@freenet.carleton.ca> ae827@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Daly) writes: > > Does anyone know if it is possible to run background tasks while > logged off the system. I have tried the normal & method for > setting the task as background but when I log off the task is > aborted. I have tried terminal and stewart with csh. > thanks nohup <your command> man nohup -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
From: jmeacham@clark.net (James D. Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can a PC be used as Terminal on Slab Date: 14 Sep 1993 21:34:57 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Message-ID: <275de1$c3o@clarknet.clark.net> Hello! I just bought a PC laptop (an old Toshiba 1000SE) and I was wondering if anyone had any experience using a PC through a port as a terminal. I don't have a modem for the PC yet, and even if I did it would be a pain in the butt to call from one machine to the NeXT. So, does anyone have any sugeestions on how, if it is possible, this would be accomplished? Thanks in advance. James Meacham
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Jobs speech at German UNIX fair Message-ID: <1993Sep14.200118.10395@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 20:01:18 GMT Our favorite Steve delivered the keynote speech at the German UNIX fair "GUUG (German UNIX User Group) Messe". At first he was showing some charts and comparing the current PC OSes, mainly NT, OS/2, Solaris, UNIXware and NeXTSTEP. He stated that NT was better than OS/2, and that OS/2 will probably die because it cannot sufficiently differentiate itself from Windows nor NT. He said he hoped that instead of dying OS/2 would find a way to differentiate itself enough in this "differentiate or die" market, because the market needed every single competitor to M$. Then he ruled out Solaris and UNIXware because they, too, do not differentiate too much from NT, offering no better interface or applications. With the amount of applications available for windows, M$ would just crash into the market. X/Motif on top of a plain UNIX were not exactly what end users need. Remaining were NT and NeXTSTEP. NS differentiates greatly from NT with it's OO-approach and its other technical merits, especially since the custom-app market is exploding now. All this was taken pretty positively by the audience (ca. 10% NS users, 20% had seen NS before). He went on to show slides of commercial applications (Wordperfect, an Adobe program, and two more I forgot, all big-name ones) and compared the Lines Of Code of the NS vs the Windows versions. In the case of Wordperfect, it was 1,500,000 (Losedoze) vs. 500,000 (NS) LOC, in the other cases it was generally 1:5, i.e. the companies needed to write only 20% of the code they needed to write for the Windoze version. Many Oohs and Aahs from the audience. The "slides", BTW, was a Concurrence demo. He then gave a NS demo, kind of similar to the one at NeXTWORLD. He demoed Mail.app, Wordperfect, PasteUp, drag'n drop, cut'n paste, Objectware (Rightbrain & Pencom objects, pasted together in IB to make a small custom-app without writing a single Line Of Code) etc. He also did the Apha-Channel demo, y'know, the one with the trees and the Ferrari and the rotating cube behind the Ferrari's windows, shining through. This was applauded a lot, people were stunned (at least the ones that had never seen NS before were). At the end, after about 50 minutes, he did the NeXTtime demo. The quality seemed to have improved a lot since NeXTWORLD, and also the speed was very satisfying. There was not a single glitch or lost frame visible during the whole video (ca. 3 min), quite different from the May version, where the film sometimes seemed to get stuck for a moment. He was roared and applauded off the podium, people were pretty much raving at that time. DriverKit was also introduced, and made a lot of people astonishingly quiet :-) After the speech there was some time for questions, and I asked about the number of installed systems. He said 50,000 black and the had originally assumed to be able to sell 25,000 NSFIP in Q3+Q4, 1993. He said it look like they're going to make that goal or even exceed it. They want and expect to sell 100,000 copies in 1994. HP ports will be ready in Q2, 1994 (that'll make it June 30 ;-), and PDO on HP in 60 days. When he was asked about other RISC ports, he explained the following: Clinton had a sign during his presidential election campaign saying "The Economy, Stupid!" to remind him of the main problem. Steve has a sign in his office saying "Intel, Stupid" to remind him of the fact that last year, about 650,000 RISC boxes were sold overall, but 30,000,000 intel boxes. NeXT has little resources and thus needs to make agreements with other hardware vendors for ports etc. "However, we are working in this field, our phones keep ringing, and you can expect one or two announcements this year. From the usual suspects (grinning)." He also said that they had NS running on 88100 and dual PowerPC boxes. Those are waiting in the shelf. I guess when the first PowerPCs ship, NeXT will dig out its port and start writing drivers. The HP port is "almost running in our labs". Nice quotes: "Many people are trying to copy Interface Builder, but it's impossible, since Interface Builder does not generate source code. What Interface Builder does is it basically links objects together. If you don't have objects, then it's pretty difficult to link them together." "It's difficult to teach a secretary to cancel a print job using 'lprm <job-id>'". BTW NeXT has a largish booth at the GUUG Messe, directly next to the main German distributor's, d'Art, which also isn't small. That's all, folks, and excuse my non-native-speaker-english, please. Now I'm looking forward to Bud Tribble's keynote speech at the Object World Germany, Sept. 20 in Frankfurt. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: headless cube Date: 14 Sep 1993 21:26:15 GMT Organization: CompSci, U of Waikato, New Zealand Distribution: world Message-ID: <275ctn$8rh@venus.cs.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: monitor I have collected the following replies with regard to running a NeXT without a monitor. Thanks to all who replied. Unfortunately, our particular deal for some headless cubes fell through and so I won't have the chance to try out these ideas after all. In article <25kpud$6hc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes: I've heard there's a way to boot the NeXT, and let it run without a monitor--is this possible? And if so, can I assign, say, /dev/ttya as the replacement console, and just stick a terminal on it? This should probably be in the FAQ. Losing Your Head Instructions for Creating Headless NeXT Servers 1. With a monitor and keyboard attached, change the ROM monitor to use serial port A as alternate console. You can attach a dumb terminal to this port, if you like. 2. If you want to run the machine without using the NeXTSTEP Window Server, edit /etc/ttys and comment out the first real line, and uncomment the second, details are in the ttys file comment field. If you disable the Window Server this way, you cannot use this machine as a NeXTPrinter or FAX server, as those functions need Display PostScript, nor can you manage applications remotely via the -NXHost construct. 3. Build a power switch to connect to the video port. The 19 pin connector is hard to get; you can butcher a 25 pin one, removing the pins that interfere with plugging it in. Install a normally-open, momentary pushbutton switch between pins 6 and 16, as counted on the correct connector. 4. Power the station/cube down, unplug the wall power, remove the mono monitor cable, and install the new pushbutton cable. Then plug it back in, push the button, and it should start up fine! 5. Power it down by executing shutdown -h -p now or /etc/halt -y -p from an rlogin session as root. 6. You can use NeXTSTEP admin applications, as well as other NeXTSTEP programs, by launching them from the command line. Simply add -NXHost <yourhost> to the end of the command-line that execs the application. and be sure to use Preferences to turn on the Public Window Server on your remote host. Note: turning on Public Window Server can be a security risk on a `public' network. See your sysadmin for more information. --- >You should be able to run the cubes headless, but its a little tricky. You >need a way to emulate the power-on switch on the keyboard, but this can be >done with a simple push-button switch and a db-15 connector. There's an another problem you'll run into when trying to run the machines as print servers is that the window server needs to be running to use a NeXT printer (that's where the postscript interpretation happens for both the screen and the printer). it's not entirely clear to me that the window server ever gets started up if you run the machine without a monitor (or at least without something that looks to the monitor port like a monitor...not sure what that'd be but you get the idea), and without that sserver you won't be able to print to a next printer. -- >My experience has been that the WindowServer will panic when >run without a monitor attached. Thus you cannot use a headless >cube to print. Does anyone know for CERTAIN whether placing >a soundbox on the machine will solve this problem? I did this on an extra 030 board running 3.0 It worked for CERTAIN. Someone told me that expunging the English bitch also worked. I already had the soundbox so did not try this. She lurks in /usr/lib/NextPrinter/English.lproj/*.snd If someone trys this, please let us know. Please, no political correctness flames. -- Hi. I just got a cube from a friend, a headless cube, and built the little circuit that lets it boot with a console attached to serial port A. Let me know if you have not already found out what to do. This circuit needs four big resistors, a momentary-contact switch, some feet of five-conductor wire or ribbon cable, and a DB15 connector. Nothing more... well, a small box for it all ... -- To function without a monitor, a cube either needs a new style power supply or more than one board in the case placing a load on the power supply. In addition, you'll need a little dongle that you attach to the monitor receptacle which has a push button for booting the CPU board. I remember someone reporting that a headless cube without the window server running would not function properly as a print server when running OS release 3.1. Older versions of the OS seemed to work fine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Subject: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Organization: Deep Breakfast Productions Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:04:27 GMT I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I can put my color monitor in. Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room to spare? Thanks! 'Los Use the shell Luke, succumb to the dark side of the cube. But what's a "cube"?
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Date: 14 Sep 1993 22:20:12 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <275g2s$6j5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) writes: >I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I >can put my color monitor in. >Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room >to spare? One of my NeXT Sales Managers told me that he picked his car by which could accept a 21" color monitor in the trunk with minimal effort. He bought '92 Lincoln Town Car. I guess NeXT paid well, as well. (he never had it in the box, by the way) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcdavis1@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH CARL DAVIS) Subject: Exception #3 on boot-up Message-ID: <1993Sep14.145814.9692@ncsu.edu> Keywords: HELP,HELP,HELP,HELP....! Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: NCSU Project Eos Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 14:58:14 GMT Hello netters: I have a most un-simple problem - on boot-up, my NeXTStation kicks out to the monitor with the message: Exception #3 at 0x10002aa If I then use the 'e 0x10002aa' command and then exit that command, I get a message of Exception #2 at 0x10003?? . (I don't remember the last two digits) Also, any access of the monitor brightness keys blanks the screen. The screen is still functioning ( i can see faint outlines ), but the screen is at minimum brightness. I have no idea if these two problems are related. Please, someone help me! I have a research paper to finish in a few weeks and I NEED my computer! thanks in advance. jcd -- \ Joseph C. Davis jcdavis1@eos.ncsu.edu People are not basically \ \ (919) 515-7452 stupid, they just act \ \ that way... \ \\\\\|||||//////\\\\\\|||||/////\\\\\\|||||\\\\\//////||||||\\\\\/////||||///
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Does NeXTStep use standard NFS or it's own version? Message-ID: <1993Sep14.222859.21335@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 22:28:59 GMT Can anyone tell me if the NeXTStep uses the industry standard NFS, or does it use it's own version? I am having a problem exporting a CD-ROM that is in PC format, ISO9660 I believe. The NeXT can read it locally without a problem, but when I export it, I can't seem to read the CD from a remote machine. I can mount the CD remotely, can see the directories and filenames on the CD, but I cannot view or edit the contents of the file. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Thanks -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.misc From: justin@hp750.me.engr.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) Subject: Re: Developing on HP Workstations Message-ID: <justin.748054510@hp750> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> <1993Sep14.185907.18267@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 00:55:10 GMT nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes: >> Our users are running >> remote from some other turkey machines like an old R2000 Mips thing, an >> old 825 and a NeXT Dimension. >I'll gladly take that 32-bit color NeXT "turkey" off your hands for the going >rate for poultry around here, about $3/lb. If you did, you'd be getting ripped off. What are you NeXT people going to with your aging hardware? Doorstops? Turkey shoot? :) The local NeXT loonies have gradually put about 60 in public labs and want to spend more money on them. Sheesh.. Of course, the educated people here know that our new lab with 735s is a much better investment. -- * Justin P. Sullivan * justin@engr.uky.edu (Internet) * * System Administrator * justin@mik.uky.edu (NeXTMail) * * Computational Fluid Dynamics * JUSTIN@UKCC (BITNET) * * (606) 257-2368 * ukma!ukecc!justin (UUCP) *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <CDDD9G.360@is.com> Sender: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 00:27:16 GMT In article <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) writes: > Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room > to spare? I've never had problems fitting things of that size into a Dodge Grand Caravan. Good luck, Carlos! Pete C -- ********************************************************************* Pete Clark - Software Engineer | You know that way that Integrity Solutions, Inc. | you always are? pclark@is.com NeXTMail preferred | Don't be that way.
From: rabahya@yang.earlham.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with Word Perfect under NeXTStep 3.1 Keywords: word perfect, nextstep 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Sep14.191722.24320@yang.earlham.edu> Date: 15 Sep 93 00:17:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Earlham College HI ALL!! The NeXT computers at our advanced computing lab were upgraded recently to NeXT Step v. 3.1. I was try to type something in Word Perfect today on of the Nexts, but some commands were not working from the font menu like the bold, italic ... and that kind of stuff ... anyone has a clue why this happened ? Does it have to do with the new system upgrade? Or does it have to do with Word Perfect? Is there a new release of Word Perfect that is compatible with the new version of NeXT Step? Thanks to all of you NeXT wizards out there in the net space ..... --- Jack A. Rabah / | | _ Computer Science Dept. \ | | / \ Earlham College | / | | / \ RabahYa@yang.Earlham.edu ---------- ----------- - send next mail to: jack@math.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Developing on HP Workstations Message-ID: <1993Sep15.015416.12629@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <justin.748054510@hp750> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 01:54:16 GMT Justin Sullivan writes > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > >In article <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes: > >> Our users are running > >> remote from some other turkey machines like an old R2000 Mips thing, an > >> old 825 and a NeXT Dimension. > > >I'll gladly take that 32-bit color NeXT "turkey" off your hands for the going > >rate for poultry around here, about $3/lb. > > If you did, you'd be getting ripped off. > What are you NeXT people going to with your aging hardware? Doorstops? > Turkey shoot? :) The local NeXT loonies have gradually put about 60 in > public labs and want to spend more money on them. Sheesh.. > > Of course, the educated people here know that our new lab with 735s is > a much better investment. > It's true - because next year you'll be able to run NeXTSTEP on them... -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu --> NeXT Mail accepted at wave@nordine.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc From: fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) Subject: Making a Macintosh do Email Message-ID: <CDD1qq.8EI@nvcc.uucp> Organization: Napa Valley College Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:18:24 GMT What software/hardware is necessary for a Macintosh to be capable of sending/receiving email? I want to connect a few Macs to my NeXT network. I would like something that would simply allow me to plug them into my existing Thin-Ethernet network. Is it necessary to install a POP daemon on the NeXT mail server? Can some Mac program then use an Ethernet card in the Mac to retrieve mail that is stored for a particular user that is known on the NeXT network? Thanks! -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:51:01 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-140993185101@17.220.88.2> References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> In article <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com>, carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) wrote: > I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I > can put my color monitor in. > > Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room > to spare? Now here's someone with priorities! I drive a Chevy Suburban and only rarely run out of room for my monitor. Based on the wording of your post, you will likely wind up with 3 x 10**n replies from smartasses like myself who can safely vouch that the monitor will fit. Can you be more specific? -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: man pages display in Digital Librarian Date: 14 Sep 1993 19:50:59 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <2757b3$n8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <CDBroL.MrK@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> In article <CDBroL.MrK@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> manzara@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Leonard Manzara) writes: <stuff deleted about `ixbuild -g' description feature not working in 3.1> > Under 3.1, this seems not to work anymore. In fact, > the system-supplied man pages don't use the whatis description, > and the man pages are listed like so: > > man1/grep.1 > This is a bug and I guess a lot of people have "bugged" NeXT already, I know I have... Let's hope it gets fixed in 3.2... Toodlepip, Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Subject: Re: Troff to RTF converter??? Message-ID: <CDDGvt.s0@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Sender: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Organization: Deep Breakfast Productions References: <26vr1i$bjj@news1.digex.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 01:45:29 GMT Thanks Scott Anguish, Art Isbell and Glenn Rempe for your replies... but that's still not good enough. I'm still looking for a Troff to RTF converter that converts Troff paragraph, font and other style specifications DIRECTLY into RTF. Directly meaning without any intermediary steps such as converting to Troff output format then into RTF (that doesn't work because then you have gross linefeed and filler spaces - hard formatting that can't be resized, copy/pasted or reformatted easily). So anybody, Troff to RTF converter??? Suggestions on how to build one? Suggestions where I might find one??? (Ya know this would be a way useful Filter service...) Thanks! 'Los
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 15 Sep 1993 03:51:56 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> In-reply-to: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com's message of Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:04:27 GMT >>>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:04:27 GMT, carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com >>>>> (Carlos Salinas) said: Carlos> Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) Carlos> into with room to spare? You're very wise to check on this. I had to transport my 21" monitor (as well as its matching slab) to my apartment when it arrived at MIT, and imagine my horror when I discovered that we couldn't fit the monitor in the front, rear, or trunk of the taxi that we had called! We ended up putting the box in the trunk, sticking out for the world to see for our five-mile ride through pothole-laden Cambridge and Somerville. (I don't think that we even tied the trunk down.) I must have shouted, "Oh, no! It's going to fall out!" at least a dozen times. A station wagon or very large car would probably be a good idea. Reuven
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Micropolis 2217 in NeXT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 15 Sep 1993 04:56:12 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <27679c$rmc@news.doit.wisc.edu> [Cross-posted to csn.hardware and csn.misc for coverage, but followups set to csn.hardware.] I heard recently about this hard drive, which is 1750MB formatted, SCSI II, 10ms avg seek time, 5400 rpm, 300000 hr MBTF, and $1295. Supposed to work fine in a Mac. Anyone have one of these in a NeXT? Anyone know for sure it would *not* work in a NeXT (I have two (black) 040 cubes, running NS 3.1)? All pertinent information welcome. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--------------> Civilization is a movement, not a condition. <---------------]
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) Newsgroups: rec.games.int-fiction,rec.games.misc,comp.sys.mac.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,rec.games.programmer Subject: The Unnkulian Unventures: Unnkulia begins with you! Followup-To: rec.games.int-fiction Date: 15 Sep 1993 04:53:36 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Message-ID: <27674gINNcs9@life.ai.mit.edu> Summary: FTP three neato games from a site near you! Keywords: text adventures interactive fiction unnkulian unventure games New this time: UU1 breaks into the Net Games Top 100! ============================================================================== The Net PC Games Top 100 Edition 37 - Week 37 - September 13, 1993 ============================================================================== TW LW NW Title Developer/Publisher(s) Cat ID Points ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... 100 ( -)^ 1 Unnkulian Underworld {S} Adventions AD [1299] 14 Administrative notes: There has been some confusion about this posting. A few people have objected to my posting it in groups like comp.os.linux(.misc), commenting that "they're DOS games, not appropriate for {Linux, NeXT cubes, Suns}." I only post this to groups that deal with machines and operating systems *that the games will run on*. Currently, that includes the following: - PC clones under MS-DOS - Macintoshes - Atari ST/TT/Falcon - Sun Sparcstation (SunOS or Solaris 2) - Sun 3 - DECstation (MIPS) running Ultrix - SGI (Iris/Indigo/Indy) running Irix - Linux (386) - NeXT A significant advantage of the all-text format is that the games are easy to port -- trivial, in fact. The machine-independent game files we put on the archive sites will run without modification on any system that has a TADS run-time. Even if your system is not one of those listed above, it should be easy to get the TADS run-time running on it if it is at all Unix-like. Though source to the TADS run-time is not freely distributable, you can generally get it for porting purposes just by asking the folks at High Energy Software and filling out a non-discolsure agreement. (More info about TADS is at the end this message.) Finally, one person felt that the previous posting was too commerical. In an effort to avoid abusing the net, I've removed everything but a brief mention of our commercial game. Dave *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* The Unnkulian Unventure Series Adventure Games for the 90's Remember the good old days, when adventure games challenged you with great puzzles and evocative descriptions without resorting to any graphics at all? We really miss that emphasis on gameplay rather than glitz, so we've decided to write our own adventure games along the lines of the early text games we liked so much. If you're looking for top-quality interactive fiction comparable to 1980's commercial offerings, check out the Unnkulian Unventure series, available from an archive site near you! In _Unnkulian Underworld: The Unknown Unventure_ you play the part of Kuulest's slave, and must recover the Orb of Studosity from the evil Unnkulians. Kuulest, the old geezebag, has died and left you with nothing to go on but a cryptic message about saving the planet. You'll encounter amazing Acme products, the infamous Guardian, those witty creatures known as Drolls, a giant beaver, and even the Dread Unnkulian Warrior. <Gasp!> In _Unnkulian Unventure II: The Secret of Acme_ your adventure continues as you try to create some good press for yourself -- wouldn't want to fade into anonymous obscurity, now would you? Along the way, you'll find the answers to these compelling questions, and more: o What happened to the Unnkulians? o Why are Acme products so bad? o What is this cheez stuff, really? Plus, you'll get to explore Dawg Rock, a Duhdist Retreat, Acme's clandestine prototypes laboratory, and even pay a visit to Acme HQ. In _Unnkulia One-Half: The Salesman Triumphant_, you'll play the role of a down-and-out Acme salesman, forced to work out of the Golden Dragon Inn, dangerously near Dread Unnkulia. Will you accumulate enough loot in this frightful backwater berg to turn your fortunes in your favor? And, in _Unnkulia Zero: The Search for Amanda_, will you, the Valley King's most trusted warrior, rescue his Lady Amanda from the gruesome clutches of the evil Unnkulians? The Unnkulian Unventures have already gotten rave reviews from numerous adventure game connoisseurs around the world, so why not give them a try? The games are available for FTP from the if-archive at ftp.gmd.de. (Note that the site wuarchive.wustl.edu keeps a mirror of the if-archive in the mirrors directory.) PC and compatibles (running DOS): --------------------------------- if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnk1v30.zip if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnk2v30.zip if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnkhz10.zip Macintosh: ---------- if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk1v30.sit.bin if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk2v30.sit.bin if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnkhz10.sit.bin (These are MacBinary files.) if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk1v30.sit.hqx if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk2v30.sit.hqx if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnkhz10.sit.hqx (These are Binhexed Stuffit 1.5.1 files.) Atari ST/TT/Falcon: ------------------- if-archive/games/adventions/pc/uu1v301.arc if-archive/games/adventions/pc/uu2v30.arc if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnkhz10.arc Others: ------- if-archive/games/adventions/others/uu1v301.tar.Z if-archive/games/adventions/others/uu2v30.tar.Z if-archive/games/adventions/others/unnkhz10.tar.Z TADS now runs on lots of different systems. Because of this, the files listed above are TADS .GAM-file only archives that can be used with any machine that runs TADS. The tricky bit is that before you can play the games, you need to get the TADS run-time for your machine. Fortunately, this isn't hard to do. Just grab the TADS executable package for your machine from the if-archive: Sun Sparcstation (SunOS): if-archive/programming/tads/sparc-sunos.tads2exe.tar.Z Sun Sparcstation (Solaris): if-archive/programming/tads/sparc-solaris.tads2exe.tar.Z Sun 3: if-archive/programming/tads/sun3.tads2exe.tar.Z DECstation (MIPS) running Ultrix: if-archive/programming/tads/decmips.tads2exe.tar.Z SGI (Iris/Indigo/Indy) running Irix: if-archive/programming/tads/sgi-irix.tads2exe.tar.Z Linux (386): if-archive/programming/tads/linux.tads2exe.tar.Z NeXT: if-archive/programming/tads/NeXT.tads2exe.tar.Z Amiga, other Unix: In the works! The file How-To-Run-These-Games in the same directory gives your more information. NOTE: The source to TADS 2 is not distributable. However, if your machine isn't on the list yet, and you would like to volunteer to port TADS 2 to it, send email about it to Mike Roberts <mroberts@hinrg.starconn.com>. Porting to Unix-like systems is fairly trivial. *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* Unnkulian Unventures I and II are shareware ($10 registration fee each); registering gets you spiffy maps and agony-sparing hint sheets. Unnkulia One-Half is free -- don't pay us for it! Unnkulia One-Half comes with a playable demo of Unnkulia Zero and info on how to get the complete version. Happy adventioning! Dave Baggett ADVENTIONS Internet: dmb@ai.mit.edu Compuserve: 76440,2671 GEnie: ADVENTIONS A Word About TADS ----------------- We at ADVENTIONS use a programming language called TADS to write our games. TADS is a product of High Energy Software, and you can get it via FTP. TADS (and TADS goodies) are available for many systems from ftp.gmd.de. Look in the if-archive/programming/tads directory. TADS is also shareware, and we strongly encourage you to register it if you use it, since we feel it is a powerful, innovative, and very inexpensive development system that deserves to be paid for. __ dmb@ai.mit.edu Boot up, log in, drop out. MIT AI Lab ADVENTIONS: We make Kuul text adventures! Ask about Unnkulian 1, 2, 0, 1/2 PO Box 851 Columbia, MD 21044 USA / CIS: 76440,2671 / GEnie: ADVENTIONS
From: briggman@rock.concert.net (David B Briggman -- Personal Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: uncompressing .gz Date: 15 Sep 1993 05:28:45 GMT Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX Message-ID: <27696e$12d@inxs.concert.net> References: <CD83EB.6pq@news.iastate.edu> <2755cu$pbq@tamuts.tamu.edu> I would suggest using Opener, which available from Sonata and other sites. A friend, Denise Blakeley [blake015@mc.duke.edu] modified this utility to uncompress .gz files. Dave -- Advanced Business Systems (919) 682-8553 [voice] 19 Joci Court (919) 682-1126 [fax] Durham, North Carolina 27704 briggman@rock.concert.net Intel - Digital - Epson - Goldstar - Hewlett Packard
From: briggman@rock.concert.net (David B Briggman -- Personal Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT campus reps Date: 15 Sep 1993 05:43:45 GMT Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX Message-ID: <276a2h$190@inxs.concert.net> References: <1993Sep8.100947.24944@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> <CDCvE2.80H@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> I am not able to speak for NeXT, however, having been employed at Duke University's Computer Store and with relatively close ties to our Sales Rep for NeXT (who was the same rep Florida had), I am 99 44/100 percent sure that NeXT has completely dissolved the Campus Consultant (CC) Program. I would suggest that, based on my experience and DUKE, NC STATE and UNC, all parties interested in promoting NeXT on their respective campus should coordinate with there Campus COmputer Store (and maybe even their NeXT representative). While I don't think NeXT will compensate you monetarily, I am quite sure you might be able to get marketing helps out of NeXT to help further the cause. Dave Briggman -- Advanced Business Systems (919) 682-8553 [voice] 19 Joci Court (919) 682-1126 [fax] Durham, North Carolina 27704 briggman@rock.concert.net Intel - Digital - Epson - Goldstar - Hewlett Packard
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MonsterShelf Date: 13 Sep 1993 19:31:50 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <272eam$3fk@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <270fk7$kv1@fermat.mayo.edu> <1993Sep13.145447.8460@kynug.org> Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> wrote >It would be nice to have multiple levels on the doc with similar >configurations as those found in Engage. This is one problem I see. It >would cut Engage's marketplace. I guess this is the question, "where does >the user want the functionality, in the O/S or in a third party app?" >-- >Neil Greene >President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] >President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. >North American, TIFFany Distributor I would like to see some kind of scripting language integrated into the DOC so that you could specify these things that ways. Kinda like how menus are specifed in TWM in .twmrc and the like. At least some form of "static" extension would be nice. Ideally we'd like dynamic interaction with the DOC thru a scripting language though.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: MonsterShelf & Background Message-ID: <CDCGp3.6y0@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <1993Sep13.084000.474@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:43:51 GMT In article <1993Sep13.084000.474@cc.usu.edu> slv0y@cc.usu.edu writes: > In article <1993Sep12.223057.6975@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) writes: > > > > Are MonsterShelf & Background compatible? > > > > -- kc > > I just tried it, they are not compatible. Background dominates over the > MonsterShelf icons. > > Z. > They are not compatible if you are using background to put up a background screen, but they play together nicely if you just use background as a screen saver, where you want background to be the foreground (couldn't resist that...) -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: NeXT's running with Mac IIsi ROM? Message-ID: <CDCGt6.6zp@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <2715qi$dc5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:46:18 GMT In article <2715qi$dc5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > I recently read in NeXTWorld that some company was working on a box > that would access the DSP port and load Mac IIsi rom code into a NeXT. > Could someone give details? I am interested and want to know it its > B.S. or what. Anybody know more than what NW says? > > maurices > > I'm interested in this as well, and surprised that nothing showed up about it here soon after the NeXTWORLD blurb appeared.... If you know, tell ! :-) -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep14.184902.2663@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1993Sep14.033014.780@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:49:02 GMT yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) writes: >If everyone knows but me, then I'll apologize wholeheartedly for wasting >bandwidth. >What, David, are you doing to strike back at Lotus since they won the >suit? >Inquiring minds want to know. >Kris "I'm running out of time" Magnusson Huh? I've obviously missed something during my time on vacation. What has David got to "strike back" about? Email replies, please; bandwidth and all that. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
From: asteindl@mch2ws2.tuwien.ac.at (Alois Steindl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: uncompressing .gz Date: 15 Sep 93 09:38:21 Organization: Inst. f. Mechanics II, TU Vienna Message-ID: <ASTEINDL.93Sep15093821@mch2ws2.tuwien.ac.at> References: <CD83EB.6pq@news.iastate.edu> <2755cu$pbq@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> In-reply-to: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu's message of 14 Sep 1993 19:17:50 GMT Hello, Just take a recent version of gnu-zip from the archives and try gunzip <file> The .z extension for gnu-zipped files is obsolete! Alois -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Alois Steindl, Tel.: +43 (1) 58801 / 5529 Inst. for Mechanics II, Fax.: +43 (1) 5875863 TU Vienna, A-1040 Wiedner Hauptstr. 8-10 ___________________________________________________________________________
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Date: 15 Sep 93 11:39:41 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.748093181@ramazzotti> References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) writes: >I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I >can put my color monitor in. >Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room >to spare? You're in trouble.. *big* trouble :-) Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cuilla@black_silk (Chris Cuilla) Subject: Re: Jobs speech at German UNIX fair Message-ID: <1993Sep15.151010.5601@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <54430@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:10:10 GMT Mark Stankus writes > > See <1993Sep14.200118.10395@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de > > I thought that NT was no good. Is this the new strategy -- > say that some system you know is going to not succeed is good > and then compare NS to it? Maybe this is the right thing to > do strategically. > > Isn't OS/2 much better than NT? > Isn't M$ down-playing NT now? I think it's important to distinguish "technical superiority/inferiority" from "marketing superiority/inferiority". I think that SJ was trying to make his point based (mostly) on the latter. Chris Cuilla NEXTSTEP Developer chris@its.com --- Opinions voiced are my own and only my own and I defend to the death my right to deny I said anything!
From: farach@dimacs.rutgers.edu (Martin Farach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <FARACH.93Sep15111003@dimacs.rutgers.edu> Date: 15 Sep 93 16:10:03 GMT References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> Sender: farach@dimacs.rutgers.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: /dimacs/u5/farach/.organization In-reply-to: reuven@athena.mit.edu's message of 15 Sep 93 03:51:56 GMT In article <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) >>>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:04:27 GMT, carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com >>>>> (Carlos Salinas) said: Carlos> Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) Carlos> into with room to spare? [munch] A station wagon or very large car would probably be a good idea. Reuven I got it into the front seat of my Mazda Protege with no problems and I would hardly call the Protege a very large car! -- Martin Farach farach@dimacs.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: How to boot in single user mode?? Message-ID: <jhough.748108095@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:48:15 GMT I was attempting to get NS/FIP on our network last night and I messed it up, now when I boot it completely freaks out... all I get is a black screen with my mouse Icon in the middle (to get that far takes half an hour!). Is there a way to boot it so it wont load the network stuff? I tried the "config=default" command and that didnt seem to do the trick. Also, while configuring, it wanted to know something about a NIS Server... what is this? My machine would be the only Next on our network, so should I set this NIS Server to none or what? Please help... thanks! Jason -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough jhough@qualcomm.com | NextMail is great but response time is slower... "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bff@next.pvh.org (Brendan F. Forsyth) Subject: Re: Pro Audio hot key? Message-ID: <CDEo6K.6MB@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <Sep.14.11.13.03.1993.1039@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 17:20:43 GMT In article <Sep.14.11.13.03.1993.1039@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > Hi All, > Ive stumbled on an interesting thing with the PAS 16 card that I have installed. Now its installed correctly and seems to work with no problems. The weird thing is when I press the Alt(command)-Ctrl-p sequence I get a staticy-voice type sound from the PAS. No bombs, no nothin, but everytime you do it the eiree voice comes out. At first I thought it was my modem auto-answering, but it is the PAS. Question is, does only happen for me? > > Later, John Must be something funky with your card or system, because I just tried it and got just the system beep. Brendan
From: joef@pandora.ucs.umass.edu (Joseph E. Fitzgerald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Date: 15 Sep 1993 18:27:39 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <277mqr$922@nic.umass.edu> References: <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> <1993Sep15.134129.351@cs.wm.edu> Gianfranco Ciardo (ciardo@cs.wm.edu) wrote: : (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: : > >>>>> (Carlos Salinas) said: : > Carlos> Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) : > Carlos> into with room to spare? : > A station wagon or very large car would probably be a good idea. : > Reuven : Actually, any small 3-door hatchback will do, if you don't : have anybody sitting in the back (i.e., you lower the back As I said in an email message to Carlos...my '93 Honda Civic DX hatchback can't handle my NEC 6FG in it's box. The newer style cars often don't have a large enough opening to get the box in to the cargo area (It would fit if I could get it in!). Oh well, I still like my hatchback. Joe Fitzgerald joef@nic.umass.edu
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI under NSi Message-ID: <Sep.15.05.52.09.1993.20277@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 15 Sep 93 09:52:10 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. I just want to know if other people using SCSI controllers under NSi are satisfied with them? I have DPT card on an EISA system and I cant get it to work even close to how my black hardware works. Is anyone out there experiencing problems similar to: If you copy lots of files at once from SCSI CDROM/OD to SCSI HD (or vice versa) the system crashes If you start more than ONE background processes copying/deleting files, the system bombs. Pretty much it seems like under NSi you cant do more than one thing at a time (involving SCSI I/O), nor can you do any movement of a great number of files without bombing the system. BTW, my DPT is configured as suggested under NeXTanswers so its just the software being crappy.?.? I would appreciate hearing your experience good or bad and what SCSI/MB combination you have. Thanks, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: NeXTWORLD WHERE IS IT??? Message-ID: <1993Sep15.180353.24672@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: NeXTWorld Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:03:53 GMT Does anyone know what has happened to NeXTWorld ? Are they still in business and when was there last publication? Also, does nayone know of a good Phone number to contact them? Thanks! O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhburns@kobch004.delcoelect.com () Subject: Adress of Bell Atlantic. Message-ID: <1993Sep14.190607.15847@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> Originator: jhburns@kobch001.delcoelect.com Sender: jhburns@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com () Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:06:07 GMT Will somone pleas E-mail me the teliphone number of Bell Atlantic. -- __________________________________ / Jeff Burns \ | jhburns@kobch004.delcoelect.com |
From: kyle@info.win.tue.nl (Kyle Hayes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: for Bruno Brottier Date: 15 Sep 1993 11:53:19 GMT Organization: Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Distribution: world Message-ID: <276vnf$ov0@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> Bruno, J'ai du mal pour vous envoyer du courier electronique. Tous mes messages semblent "bouncer". Vous avez change' d'adresse? Best, Kyle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cuilla@black_silk (Chris Cuilla) Subject: Re: Should companies release buggy OS software? Message-ID: <1993Sep15.183310.6930@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <277ehl$qt@amber.solutions.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:33:10 GMT Darcy Brockbank writes: > No no no! The philosophy is all wrong. What you've said > is that it's OK to release a buggy product in order to > meet deadlines. There's always going to be a deadline in > the future, everyone has a deadline! > > Does that mean that everyone should feel justified in > releasing products with bugs? I don't think this is the "real" message. I think that the condition that must be placed on such a releasing strategy is that it will be quickly followed up. It is also important to remember that there will ALWAYS be bugs in software. But not only bugs, but design errors, feature omissions, etc. So if that's the case, and we accept that, then we should encourage what I call (I'm sure I didn't coin the phrase) "incremental releasing". In this case the developer (NeXT in this case) would incrementally improve their product to (at first) limited audience, and expanding as things go along. By this I DON'T mean incrementally every 6-9 months, I mean every 2-3 months (possibly with patches even more frequently). > Finally, if you are a SOFTWARE ONLY COMPANY with ONE > PRODUCT, then that product has better be damn good, and > damn robust. NeXT, with their one product, demonstrated > that 3.1 was neither of these. I think you're being harsh here. Yes, I hope and strive for my products to be the best ('damn good'). But let's look at an example of quality elsewhere...the automobile industry. It is commonly (though not necessarily completely) agreed that the Lexus LS400 is probably one of the best quality production car in the world (at almost any price). But few people really realize that the way this car came about was not that Lexus (Toyota) woke up one day and said "hey...let's build the best quality car in the world!". In fact the Lexus has been built (through the Tercel, Corolla, Camry, Cressida, etc.) over the last 20-25 years. That kind of quality doesn't happen over night. The lesson here is, while all companies must strive for the best in quality, they must also "get the product out", and into customer hands, where (no matter how perfect they thought they made it), inevitably, there will be problems. Let's get it out there, find the problems and FIX them quickly. So I think your frustration (and all others too) should be directed NOT at having NeXT wait to release, but rather having NeXT hurry up with the fixes. I think they are listening, and I think they are getting better. -- Chris Cuilla --- Opinions voiced are my own and only my own and I defend to the death my right to --------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's no such thing a as 'part-time' perfectionist." ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Jobs speech at German UNIX fair Message-ID: <54430@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 15 Sep 93 12:55:41 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD See <1993Sep14.200118.10395@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Sorry about not including some of the previous article. rn is a pain and it didn't let me post with the original. Oh well.) I thought that NT was no good. Is this the new strategy -- say that some system you know is going to not succeed is good and then compare NS to it? Maybe this is the right thing to do strategically. Isn't OS/2 much better than NT? Isn't M$ down-playing NT now? Mark Stankus
From: Chuyen_L._Tran.DlosLV300@xerox.com Subject: Colorize a PostScript file in FrameMaker with screening off? Message-ID: <"15-Sep-938:25:53".*.Chuyen_L._Tran.DlosLV300@Xerox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Date: 15 Sep 93 13:26:47 GMT Hello folks, Is there a way to colorize a PostScript file on a Next workstation without turning screening on? I am using FrameMaker to do this. My apologies if this is a FAQ question. If it is, please tell me where to get the FAQ. Thanks for any and all information. Best regards, CLT ctran.dlosLV300@xerox.com
From: marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ATC Date: 15 Sep 1993 06:42:13 -0700 Message-ID: <27763l$jim@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Summary: ATC papers available? I can't find much information on ATC in NeXT's documentation. Is the algorithm proprietary? How does it compare with other sound compression approaches, like CCITT G.711 (for voice). Are there any general purpose sound compression packages available in source? And what does the lossless compression that NeXT uses do?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <1993Sep15.134129.351@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693 References: <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:41:29 GMT In article <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: > >>>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:04:27 GMT, carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com > >>>>> (Carlos Salinas) said: > > Carlos> Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) > Carlos> into with room to spare? > > A station wagon or very large car would probably be a good idea. > > Reuven Actually, any small 3-door hatchback will do, if you don't have anybody sitting in the back (i.e., you lower the back seat). I have an '87 Mercury Tracer (a Mazda 323 hatchback with a Mercury sticker on it :-), and it fits perfectly well, with a lot of room to spare. That's why I love hatchbacks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyt@lgc.com (Gary Thompson) Subject: Re: Should companies release buggy OS software? Message-ID: <garyt.748122758@lgc.com> Sender: usenet@lgc.com Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx. References: <277ehl$qt@amber.solutions.ca> <1993Sep15.170722.12717@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:52:38 GMT spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >Installation pain is just par for the course in the Rube Goldberg >world of "industry-standard architecture." Why do you think Windows >is almost always sold pre-installed? I beg to differ here. I may be slightly biased because I'm still in the middle of getting the last few things going, but I've personally installed Windows, Windows NT, Solaris 2.1 x86, Linux, and NetBSD and although they each have their quirks, the NeXTSTEP installation has been by far the most painful mostly because, more so than the others, it expects the machine to be configured just-so rather than trying to work with what's there (i.e. SCSI drive at ID 0, CDROM at ID 1, etc.) I'm counting on NeXTSTEP being such a joy to work with that I forget all the pain I've experienced so far, but I think they might do well to take a look at some of the autodetection code in [Net|Free]BSD, Linux, and XFree86. Gary -- Gary Thompson gthompson@lgc.com Landmark Graphics Houston, TX Phone: (713) 560-1262 Fax: (713) 560-1277 "Vending machines SHOULD respond to a [finger] request with a list of all items currently available for purchase..." -RFC1288
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 9/15 BANG meeting and factory auction? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:24:02 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-150993132402@17.220.88.2> I haven't heard any news or announcements about tonight's (possible) BANG meeting, or what's happening at the auction. Any reports? -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <1993Sep15.173756.25836@KYnug.org> From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 17:37:56 GMT Sender: neil@KYnug.org (Neil Greene) References: <neuss.748093181@ramazzotti> Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. In article <neuss.748093181@ramazzotti> neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) writes: > carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) writes: > > >I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I > >can put my color monitor in. > > >Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room > >to spare? > > You're in trouble.. *big* trouble :-) Geez! It seems as though some people have very limited concerns/problems now adays. I can remember long ago in college when I was wondering where I was going to eat next. Then there was paying rent. There there was... Now, we are worried if we can get a 21" color monitor in our car. Do what I did, and don't buy a truck, get a convertible. You might want to take your monitor with you when you go looking at various cars and actually see if the monitor will fit. I would not trust the manufactures. :-) -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Adress of Bell Atlantic. Message-ID: <1993Sep15.202905.3226@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Sep14.190607.15847@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:29:05 GMT In article <1993Sep14.190607.15847@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> jhburns@kobch004.delcoelect.com () writes: > > Will somone pleas E-mail me the teliphone number of > Bell Atlantic. From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce Subject: NeXT-Hardware-General-FAQ Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Summary: Frequently Asked Questions about NEXTSTEP and NeXT machines. Approved: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Expires: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 00:00:00 GMT Archive-name: NeXT-Hardware-General-FAQ Last-modified: Fri Aug 27 01:27:51 EDT 1993 Version: 3.0 Every four weeks (depending on the phase of the moon) a number of postings are made to comp.sys.next.announce which are a compilation of answers to frequently asked questions in the comp.sys.next.* Usenet newsgroups. The FAQ list is broken into sections and posted separately. These sections focus on various aspects of NEXTSTEP and NeXT machines. Items that appear within sections are not in any particular order, and get added and removed over time. Posting the sections separately allows people to find the sections interesting to them quickly. Within each section each question will be preceded by a "Subject:" field, allowing news readers to break up the file into separate questions. Each question has its own unique number. The FAQ is kept on-line at several ftp sites, including: cs.orst.edu sonata.cc.purdue.edu srawgw.sra.co.jp [133.137.4.3] Many FAQs, including this one, are available via FTP on the archive site rtfm.mit.edu in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which this FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-nameline above. Questions marked with a "+" are new to this issue, and questions with changes since the last issue are marked by a "!". Submissions, corrections, comments, input, etc., should be directed to Nathan Janette <nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu>. Disclaimer: We are not affiliated with any of the companies mentioned in this posting. If you have any corrections, additions, questions, or answers to add to this list, please send email to: This compilation is meant primarily as a service to the comp.sys.next community. Newsletter editors wishing to excerpt from this work for publication should consider using local electronic bulletin boards to disseminate this information rather than preparing hardcopies. This allows for readers to access the most recent information, and perhaps save a couple of trees. We do not collect any royalties, charge any fees, or compensate anyone in connection with this endeavor. TABLE OF CONTENTS: ------------------ K0. Where can I purchase a NeXT machine? K1. Where to obtain hardware service? K2. What types of NeXT machines were manufactured? ____________________________________________________________________________ Subject: K1. Where to obtain hardware service? [Jeff Hite jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu] USA hardware service has been purchased by Bell Atlantic. They will be supporting the Authorized Service Centers and are selling extended warranty contracts. Bell Atlantic Computing Technology Services Voice: 800 499 6398, or 800 848 NeXT Fax: 510 732 3078 ____________________________________________________________________________ -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.hp From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Developing on HP Workstations Message-ID: <1993Sep15.203327.3317@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <justin.748054510@hp750> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:33:27 GMT In article <justin.748054510@hp750> justin@hp750.me.engr.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes: > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > >In article <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes: > >> Our users are running > >> remote from some other turkey machines like an old R2000 Mips thing, an > >> old 825 and a NeXT Dimension. > > >I'll gladly take that 32-bit color NeXT "turkey" off your hands for the going > >rate for poultry around here, about $3/lb. > > If you did, you'd be getting ripped off. > What are you NeXT people going to with your aging hardware? Doorstops? > Turkey shoot? :) The local NeXT loonies have gradually put about 60 in > public labs and want to spend more money on them. Sheesh.. Yeah, everybody knows they just stopped working the instant NeXT halted production ;-) Still, I'd be willing to suffer through to completion the above offer I made, but thanks for trying to save me from myself. > Of course, the educated people here know that our new lab with 735s is > a much better investment. Perhaps, but at ten time the price of used NeXT systems, we've only been able to afford two 735s. I'm sure they'll be nice to use once NEXTSTEP is ported to them. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: alex@mecati.mecasoft.ch (Alessandro MAGNETTI) Subject: Rdp_poll_error Message-ID: <CDEJuA.20L@mecati.mecasoft.ch> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:46:57 GMT Organization: Mecasoft s.a. Muralto, Switzerland -------------------- My machine (an Intel GX) is at the same time an uucp client and server. If I use uucp as a client (polling) I have no problem at all. Instead when a client of my machine polls my machine, exactly after the uucp connection is closed, my machine crashes with a rdp connection error (system panic). I©am already using the new serial driver of NeXT and I am running it at 38400 and I have no problem using it with other communication software like kermit or tip. Did someone else on the net experience the same problem ? Thank you very much in advance. - Massimo _____________________________________________________________________ ARNOLDI Massimo Phone: +4191 595539 Via Vignascia Fax: +411 2842210 CH - 6982 Agno E-mail: massimo@cslife.ch (NeXT mail) _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep15.134134.23476@KYnug.org> Sender: neil@KYnug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. References: <274o80$esp@hermes.athena.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:41:34 GMT In article <274o80$esp@hermes.athena.com> tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > Dave is out of town and away from net access so I am taking the liberty of > posting this for him. > > Here is what Dave has to say about what he is up to: > > > FROM THE DESK OF DAVE POLLAK: > [ Message Deleted ] I was wondering if anyone else has filed action in this matter. Or, is David Pollak, developer of a spreadsheet for an OS many have doomed to die, the only one with guts enough to say anything about this. -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
From: darcy@solutions.ca (Darcy Brockbank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Should companies release buggy OS software? Date: 15 Sep 1993 16:06:13 GMT Organization: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Message-ID: <277ehl$qt@amber.solutions.ca> References: <CD24Hr.6p9@moksha.uucp> In article <CD24Hr.6p9@moksha.uucp> mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) writes: > In article <REUVEN.93Sep7144220@primavera.mit.edu> reuven@athena.mit.edu > (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: > > >>>>> On 3 Sep 1993 15:30:14 GMT, darcy@solutions.ca (Darcy Brockbank) > > >>>>> said: > > > > Darcy> Aside: When will NeXT LEARN to NOT RELEASE THINGS WITH MAJOR > > Darcy> BUGS IN THEM. Even if this isn't a bug, it's really > > Darcy> brain-dead to release an OS whose serial ports don't work > > Darcy> right. > > > > Given the choice between an OS with buggy serial drivers and no OS at > > all, I'd say that NeXT made the right choice. > > This is, of course exactly right. Can you imagine the press if NS/I had not > been released on time ? Not to mention all the whining on the net about how it No no no! The philosophy is all wrong. What you've said is that it's OK to release a buggy product in order to meet deadlines. There's always going to be a deadline in the future, everyone has a deadline! Does that mean that everyone should feel justified in releasing products with bugs? Now, NeXT's message is "The Object is the Advantage." They ask us to leverage their work, use their reusable objects, use the shared libraries, use the Kits. However, if we all agree that it's acceptable for NeXT to release buggy kits and objects, GIVEN THAT all of our applications use them, then we all bear the pain. Our software experiences the bugs, and our users are the people that get pissed off. If NeXT releases a buggy kit, then it may be YOUR product that gets delayed for a full year while you wait for NeXT to release the bug-fix-upgrade. NeXT releasing a bug is not like Lotus releasing a bug. The developer's dependancies on NeXT to release stable software is much greater. Finally, if you are a SOFTWARE ONLY COMPANY with ONE PRODUCT, then that product has better be damn good, and damn robust. NeXT, with their one product, demonstrated that 3.1 was neither of these. It's a pain to install, and it's not really compatible with 3.0, and it had serious bugs. To say, "Hey, it's fine for NeXT to release a sub-par OS with bugs in it" is not justifiable! Especially something as important as a serial port. If people can release free UNIX operating systems that work correctly, then commercial companies should be able to do the same. What ever happened to, "It Just Works" (TM)? How about, "It Just Don't Work, But May In A Few Months When We Release The Non-Beta Version." NeXT has got to start living up to their own hype, because people are going to stop believing that they can deliver. This isn't meant as a flame to NeXT, but just a reality check. Take it for what it's worth. - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Math Fonts for LaTeX Message-ID: <1993Sep14.103805.686@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: LaTeX Math fonts Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. Distribution: world comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:38:05 GMT Hello, I m looking for some math fonts for LaTeX such as: msam and msbm Apparenly these fonts are part of the AMS LaTeX distribution. If anybody can get a hold of these fonts on their NeXT system please let me know. --- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON FRANCE [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax luis@elysia.fdn.org (NeXTmail ok) -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Should companies release buggy OS software? Message-ID: <1993Sep15.170722.12717@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <277ehl$qt@amber.solutions.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 17:07:22 GMT Darcy Brockbank writes > No no no! The philosophy is all wrong. What you've said is that > it's OK to release a buggy product in order to meet deadlines. I think Patton said it best: A good solution today is better than an excellent solution tomorrow. > Finally, if you are a SOFTWARE ONLY COMPANY with ONE PRODUCT, then > that product has better be damn good, and damn robust. NeXT, with > their one product, demonstrated that 3.1 was neither of these. It's > a pain to install, and it's not really compatible with 3.0, and > it had serious bugs. To say, "Hey, it's fine for NeXT to release > a sub-par OS with bugs in it" is not justifiable! Installation pain is just par for the course in the Rube Goldberg world of "industry-standard architecture." Why do you think Windows is almost always sold pre-installed? On the side of serious bugs, the serial drivers are the only one I know of. Assuming you could get the thing installed, everything I've heard is that NS/I is very robust, modulo the serial drivers. NeXT did try to fix this as soon as they could, though obviously not fast enough for some. Yes, the product had better be damn good. By and large, NeXTSTEP is. Compared to the competition, its light years ahead. But it also has to ship. IMHO, NeXT was already on the late side in shipping NS/I (in particular, a wider beta program a la NT beta might have revealed the serial ports problems a whole lot sooner). -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Icon.app (2.1) > ??? > Icon.app (3.0) > PWS > Icon.app (3.1) Message-ID: <CD9I8y.1vy@ensuing.com> Date: 12 Sep 93 22:24:34 GMT References: <16C45116D1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. In article <16C45116D1.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) writes: > Hello everyone, > > Yes, I asked this question a couple weeks ago but I didn't get a > complete answer so here I go again. > > My site is currently a mixture of 2.1 and 3.1 machines. We are > slowly upgrading all the 2.1 machines to 3.1. Please note that > we have *NO* machines on 3.0. This is relevant because last time > I got a few replies consisting of "Take your 3.0 version of Icon > and . . . ." > > So - > > I know that I have to link in all the shared libraries - but how? > I remember this being discussed last fall when 3.0 came out - > but I've found nothing at *.cc.purdue.edu or cs.orst.edu on how > to do this, and I also searched through all the c.s.n.* archives > that our sysadmin saw fit to keep. > The complete answer takes too much time. Here's the short answer: Icon was removed from the 3.0 release. If you save your 2.x shlibs, and point the internals of Icon towards the 2.x shlibs, you will get a 2.x version of icon running on a 3.0 machine. To do this, you can edit the file by hand, or use the program IconPatch. UsingIconAnd3.0.ps is a document that describes how to go about patching Icon. IconPatch is an optional program that allows you to patch Icon by drag and drop, instead of using a hex editor. IconPatch.app and UsingIconAnd3.0.ps should be on orst or nova. I haven't checked lately to see if they are there. There will be limitations to what you can do. It's a frankenstein kind a thing. You cannot save jpeg compressed tiffs, appkit panels will be 2.0 versions. No pantone colors. As is to be expected, things get stranger and stranger when you run 2.x apps with 2.x shlibs, on a system running a 3.x base. Icon won't work under 3.1. This bug can be patched, or you can turn Public Window Server on. This however reduces the security on your network. When I released the details on patching Icon, and wrote IconPatch, I did so because no one was shipping a reasonable bitmap editor, Appsoft had told me "next week" for a month, and no one was willing to show me a beta or demo to prove that they actually intended to release something. I needed a bitmap editor, so did others, and it needed to be done. I still have Icon from 1.0 in my LocalApps, but not Icon.app. I don't have the shlibs installed either. It was meant as a temporary thing. If you need a bitmap editor, consider buying one from one of the following companies: (I have no affiliation with any of these companies) ------ IconMaker BlueSky Software P.O. Box 57096 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 (818) 989-4928 fax austin@netcom.com (NeXTWORLD review lists: eronike@cerf.net) NeXTWORLD rated this program four cubes. It's a great program for designing small (64x64 ) tiffs, but not for large images like screen shots. What it does do, it does well and in a four cube manner. But it is missing some useful features, and has a limited tool set (no undo, no flipping, rotating, mirroring, etc). A great place to start if you need something to design program icons. $150 ($99 educational) -- WetPaint Pinnacle Research Inc. 4725 E. Sunrise Drive #435 (602) 529-1135 (602) 229-9133 fax info@pri.com You can grab a demo of this from orst or nova. It has a few quirks, but other than that is probably the closest equal to Icon. It has a tool set that not only contains all of the Icon features, but also goes beyond. It has a set of filters (which I think has an API (not sure though)), almost all the tools have an inspector that allows you to fine tune their action. Like Icon, it allows you to edit color images on a black and white machine. It does have some quirks, and can be slow sometimes, but these are easy to accept in comparisson to the rest of the package. In addition to all this it uses most the NeXTSTEP 3.0 goodies set. Online help, drag and drop, ships FAT, etc. $295 $225 Educational $99 Student. -- Appsoft Image Appsoft 1 800 428 apps 415 802 2900 info@appsoft.com I haven't played much with this program. The demo I saw at Expo '93 showed it to be a rather high quality image editor, aiming towards the photoshop crowd. ------------ Jess Anderson placed a copy of IconPatch, ScenePatch, some Icon documentation and UsingIconAnd3.0.ps on his personal internet machine. I have no idea whether they are still available. Here are some excerpts from his 12/31/1992 post: ------------------- Thanks to the good offices of Karl Kraft (karl@ensuing.com), ScenePatch.app.tar.Z is now available for anonymous ftp (sorry, no mail server service) from yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], in directory pub/next/scene. ............. While I'm at it: things you can find on my machine include the latest C-Kermit, the latest Elm mail user agent, my login tiff collection, some documentation on Icon (but I'm in the process of improving that, I hope), and a few other things. Here's hoping 1993 is the greatest year ever for NeXT and NeXT users. In any case, get safely through the coming night. The best to you and yours. -------------------- -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 9/15 BANG meeting and factory auction? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:33:02 -0800 Organization: Babbage MicroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-150993163302@17.220.88.2> References: <deluxe-150993132402@17.220.88.2> In article <deluxe-150993132402@17.220.88.2>, deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) wrote: > I haven't heard any news or announcements about tonight's (possible) BANG > meeting, or what's happening at the auction. Any reports? If I may be so bold as to follow up my own post, I just found out that there will probably not be a BANG meeting tonight. Thank's for your indulgence. Thread dismissed. -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: E-mail address for: Message-ID: <1993Sep15.191459.1584@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:14:59 GMT Can someone supply me with the E-mail addresses of the following companies: a) Frame Technologies Corp. (Frame Maker) b) Lotus Corp. (Improv) c) Media Station Thanks, - Andre E-Mail: al@lala.CAM.ORG (NeXT Mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: neurology newsgroup Message-ID: <1993Sep15.192204.1680@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:22:04 GMT Hello, I am looking for a newsgroup that deals with neurology. Can someone help me out? Please reply by e-mail. Thanks in advance. Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Making a Macintosh do Email Date: 15 Sep 1993 14:43:32 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2779mkINN5k7@golden.kaleida.com> References: <CDD1qq.8EI@nvcc.uucp> In article <CDD1qq.8EI@nvcc.uucp> fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) writes: > > What software/hardware is necessary for a Macintosh to be capable of > sending/receiving email? I want to connect a few Macs to my NeXT > network. > > Is it necessary to install a POP daemon on the NeXT mail server? Can > some Mac program then use an Ethernet card in the Mac to retrieve mail > that is stored for a particular user that is known on the NeXT > network? > Yes, you need to get ethernet for your macs. I'd suggest going with POP since it's publicly available. You do need to install the POP daemon on the NeXT. There are versions available for the NeXT that can just be compiled and will work. By default it will get its mail out of /usr/spool/mail. I have a version that will retrieve the mail out of ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox instead. We use a Sun mail server so I mount the mail dir. What I wanted to be able to do is receive the mail on my NeXT, but easily get it over to my Mac if it had Mac attachments. Anyway, it's not that hard. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail appreciated Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com ...................................................................
From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Rdp_poll_error Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 16 Sep 1993 02:49:36 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <278k80$5g7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CDEJuA.20L@mecati.mecasoft.ch> : I)am already using the new serial driver of NeXT and I am running it : at 38400 and I have no problem using it with other communication : software like kermit or tip. : Did someone else on the net experience the same problem ? : Thank you very much in advance. I am experiencing that very same problem. I have no idea what is causing it, have reported it to Eric at NeXT.com and have yet to hear anything -- it's only been a couple of days. Very disconcerting behavior for an O.S. that NeXT, Inc is banking on almost entirely ... * sigh. -- =============================================================================== Hector Mandel, CHP (217) 244-7237 |E-mail: h-mandel@uiuc.edu Head, Health Physics Section |Snail mail: 101 S. Gregory St. Division of Environmental Health and Safety | Urbana, IL 61801 ===============================================================================
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to boot in single user mode?? Message-ID: <Sep.15.23.34.57.1993.9325@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 16 Sep 93 03:34:57 GMT References: <jhough.748108095@qualcom> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: >Is there a way to boot it so it wont load the network stuff? I tried the "config=default" command and that didnt seem to do the trick. Im just guessing but try: mach_kernel -s at the (boot:) prompt. Also a handy thing...when inside NSi <Alt><Ctr><NumLock> will give you a little rom-monitor-like option to restart or halt the system. This can be useful if your system hangs. If you can get it to reboot or halt, then you wont have to sit through an FSCK. Good luck, Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bmerh170.bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Need help on Fujitsu 2694ESA drive Message-ID: <1993Sep16.040541.10132@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: hlam@bmerh170 (Hayward Lam) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 04:05:41 GMT I just a Fujitsu 2694ESA (1.2GB) drive. It is placed internally in my NeXTstation. I try to boot up with my external CD-ROM drive. Here's the message I got when I boot it from NMI: Boot command: sd booting SCSI target 0, lun 0 Bad version 0xb77efaf9 Bad version 0xb77efaf9 Bad version 0xb77efaf9 Bad version 0xb77efaf9 Bad label NeXT> It could be the drive is unformatted and label is not written yet. Any idea how to boot and get the drive going? Thanks. Hayward
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steinarb@falch.no (Steinar Bang) Subject: Re: 9/15 BANG meeting and factory auction? In-Reply-To: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us's message of Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:24:02 -0800 Message-ID: <STEINARB.93Sep16083729@flame.falch.no> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: Falch Newsfeed <usenet@falch.no> Organization: Falch Hurtigtrykk, Oslo, Norway References: <deluxe-150993132402@17.220.88.2> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 07:37:29 GMT >>>>> You wrote: In article <deluxe-150993132402@17.220.88.2> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: > I haven't heard any news or announcements about tonight's (possible) > BANG meeting, or what's happening at the auction. Any reports? What's that? Some kind of family reunion nobody has told me about...? :-) - Steinar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhburns@kbch004.delcoelect.com () Subject: Help Seting up DAT TAPE Message-ID: <1993Sep15.152459.10410@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> Originator: jhburns@kobch004.delcoelect.com Sender: jhburns@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com () Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:24:59 GMT I purchased a WangDAT Model 3200 DAT drive used and am having dificalties getting it to work on my NeXTStation. I have included a transcript of a session were I attempt to access the drive using tar tar. In all of thes cases, except where I use rst1, the drive responds by advancing the tape quickly for a vary short time. It then moves the tape vary slowly for a few seconds before rewinding the tape. This is repeated about three times before an error message is returned. The DAT drive is configured as follows: SCSI Device ID = 3 SCSI Bus Parity = Enabled SCSI Protocol = SCSI-2 Compression = Off Buffered Mode = Off Can anyone help me get this working? Pleas E-mail me any responses. TRANSCRIPT OF SECIOTN: zion> ls -l /dev/rst0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root 34, 0 Sep 11 17:56 /dev/rst0 zion# ls -l /dev lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 11 Feb 20 1991 /dev -> private/dev@ zion> ls -l /private total 20 drwxrwxr-x 2 root 1024 Feb 25 1991 Net/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root 1024 Aug 21 19:01 adm/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root 9216 Sep 13 20:27 dev/ drwxr-xr-x 8 root 3072 Sep 14 23:04 etc/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Apr 15 01:46 preserve/ drwxr-xr-x 13 uucp 1024 Apr 15 03:48 spool/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root 1024 Aug 12 21:49 tftpboot/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root 2048 Aug 30 19:27 tmp/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Sep 13 20:27 vm/ zion> tar tvf /dev/rst0 tar: read error on /dev/rst0 : I/O error zion> tar cvf /dev/rst0 temp temp/ temp/job/ temp/job/cap.ma tar: can't write to /dev/rst0 : I/O error zion> su Password: zion# tar cvf /dev/rst0 temp a temp/job/cap.ma 88 blocks a temp/job/chart_3.diagram 36 blocks a temp/job/costing/DataBase 8 blocks a temp/job/costing/derm.fm3 1 block a temp/job/costing/derm.prn 39 blocks a temp/job/costing/derm.wk3 41 blocks a temp/job/costing/derm2.prn 13 blocks a temp/job/costing/estimate.imp/Model.imp 27 blocks a temp/job/costing/estmstv1.fm3 54 blocks a temp/job/costing/estmstv1.imp/Model.imp 383 blocks a temp/job/costing/estmstv1.wk3 308 blocks tar: tape write error: I/O error zion# tar tvf /dev/rst0 tar: tape read error: I/O error zion# zion> tar tvf /dev/rst1 tar: can't open /dev/rst1 : Bad file number zion> tar tvf /dev/rxt0 tar: read error on /dev/rxt0 : I/O error zion> tar cvf /dev/rxt0 temp temp/ temp/job/ temp/job/cap.ma temp/job/chart_3.diagram temp/job/costing/ temp/job/costing/DataBase temp/job/costing/derm.fm3 temp/job/costing/derm.prn temp/job/costing/derm.wk3 temp/job/costing/derm2.prn temp/job/costing/estimate.imp/ temp/job/costing/estimate.imp/Model.imp temp/job/costing/estmstv1.fm3 temp/job/costing/estmstv1.imp/ temp/job/costing/estmstv1.imp/Model.imp temp/job/costing/estmstv1.wk3 tar: can't write to /dev/rxt0 : I/O error __________________________________ / Jeff Burns \ | jhburns@kobch004.delcoelect.com | | Phone | | Day: (317)451-2001 | | Night: (317)453-4678 | | FAX Home:(317)453-4678 | | FAX Work:(317)451-2061 | \__________________________________/ -- __________________________________ / Jeff Burns \ | jhburns@kobch004.delcoelect.com |
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <CDFCrM.293@infoserv.com> Date: 16 Sep 93 02:11:46 GMT References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Distribution: na Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) writes: #I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I #can put my color monitor in. # #Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room #to spare? The only vehicles I can think of would be mini-vans, Ford Explorer type vehicles, and station wagons. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) Subject: FORTRAN compiler Message-ID: <1993Sep16.134645.5208@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:46:45 GMT What can people recommend as a FORTRAN compiler for the NeXT? I've been toying with the idea of developing a front end for a molecular dynamics program as part of a thesis. I don't really need FORTRAN development support, as the code has been around a long time and doesn't need much changing, I just want to run the stuff. Thanx in advance, Karen duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: labwm@slab.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ALR Evolution V Review (Part I) (LONG) Message-ID: <4990@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Date: 16 Sep 93 14:57:21 GMT Sender: news@emory.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc INTRO: This is Part I of a planned two part review of ALR and their new Pentium computer, the Evolution V. This part will focus on ALR itself and specifically examine their customer service and technical support. Why bother to review this? Because I firmly believe that how the company behaves towards you, as a customer, is at least as important as how the hardware behaves once you get it. After all, you may very well be dealing with them for the life of your computer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IN SHORT: My experience with ALR (the company) has been almost a nightmare. Without a doubt, this company is the most unprofessional "I don't care" company I have ever dealt with. They made mistakes in my order and told me outright that they weren't going to do a thing about it. This despite the fact that I stood to lose a significant amount of money because of their error. Anyway, it was very apparent that they care much more about corporate accounts and not individual buyers. They have been losing money lately and, after my experience with them, it is easy to see why. My dealings with FastMicro seemed like a walk through the park in comparison. If you want an ALR Evolution V (which is a good computer, by the way) then buy it through a VAR like Alpine or one in your local city. Unlike ALR, these people probably will care about you and won't make mistakes. You may pay a little bit more, but believe me, it will be worth it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REVIEW: I will review ALR's customer service through a narrative. But first, a little background on me: I am not a demanding or "nasty" customer. I realize that there are delays, etc. For example, when FastMicro was a month late with a computer I ordered a few years ago, it did not bother me much... I expected it. They told me they would call when they actually sent it out and they did. But, what happened with ALR was very different. Anyway, I am a Consultant for Emory University's Information Technology Division. I am aware of nasty folks and I don't like 'em. Thus, I don't act like that myself. What I needed this computer for was to supplement my NeXTStation Turbo for a legal project I am working on. I am a 3L at Emory Law so I don't have "tons" of cash... Anyway, here is the story of my purchase of an Evolution V Pentium. ----- I ordered an Evolution VQ at the end of July. I had already spoken to their tech. support folks about NeXTStep and they are fairly knowledgeable about the product. They told me that they had managed to boot NS on both their Evolution V and VQ. They also told me that some of cards they tried did not work and it took a bit of "tweaking" to find a card combo that worked. I was impressed. When I had contacted Dell and Compaq, their sales folks had no idea what NS was and only Dell could connect me to someone who at least knew of NS. But, ALR was different. The sales rep. was knowledgeable and connected me right away to tech. support. There, the engineers walked me through both their torment and eventual success in getting NS to install. I ordered a VQ two days later after reviewing the faxed specs. One thing bothered me, though. Both the sales rep. and the tech. people kept pushing the Evolution V desktop. In fact, they bent over BACKWARDS trying to get me to purchase that machine. When I said no... that I wanted a VQ, they actually got *offended.* I chalked it up to the fact that they did not have the 66 Mhz Pentium chips yet... so my order could not be presently processed. I knew that ALR did not have 66 Mhz Pentiums at the time I placed my order. however. The sales rep. had been quite clear that he did not know when the chips would arrive... But, he did speculate that the machine would be in my hands by the end of September. That was fine with me. I did tell him to call as soon as the machine shipped... and he said he would. Indeed, I STRESSED the fact that he should call... and I told him why. The reasons were: 1) I was paying COD and had to cut the cashiers check; and, 2) I was not buying any of the support cards from ALR. I wanted them ordered at the time the machine shipped so that I would have the maximum 30 days return period to test everything out. (All the support cards came to about 1/3 the price of the machine.) If any of the cards didn't work or I couldn't get the computer to boot... I could return everything from where it came. I was surprised when, 1 week later, a woman from ALR's shipping department called saying they were going to ship the computer within one day. To make sure everything was right, I had her read back the order. It was correct - VQ/66. Thinking back, the salesrep had said the chips (66 Pentiums) could be in any day... so I accepted it. I ordered all the cards and cut the check. Much to my surprise, the machine did not arrive on the anticipated day. I called ALR. After about two hours, I reached my sales rep. He said he would call me back. He never did. I called him 2 hours later and waited another 30 minutes on the phone. When I got in touch with him... he said that nothing was shipped and the VQ/66 was due in one month. He said that there had been an error in the shipping department. I was a bit shocked... so I explained that I had already bought the cards (they had all arrived) and cut a check. I told him my 30 day clock was ticking. He said he would call right back and he would correct the situation. At this point, I was not angry. He had given me excellent service before... why would thing change now. Unfortunately, they did. The sales rep. never called back. I called him and he said, "oh... I forgot. I told my boss about you though. He should call you back within 30 minutes." So, I waited... another 2 hrs with no phone call. I called back and the sales rep. said... "Sorry, time for me to go home. I will talk to you tomorrow." I asked for the boss's name and the sales rep. gave it to me. I then called the boss. The man had no idea who I was. I told him my story. He said he was "sorry about that" and that the VQ/66 would arrive here at the end of Sept. If I wanted, I could take an Evolution V. He gave me a sales pitch. I said I wanted a VQ/66 and offered three suggestions. 1) They could get a Pentium 66 and send me the VQ/66 now. I told him that I did not expect ALR to do that and he said, "Good, because ALR won't." 2) I next suggested him guaranteeing to accept a return of the cards I bought if they did not work. ALR carried all of them so I thought this was at least a possibility... but he said, "Strike two." 3) I next suggested what I thought was the best solution. Send me a VQ/60 and then swap motherboards with the VQ/66 when the chips arrive. He said, "That would be too much trouble with serial numbers. I won't do that." I told him I could go to another vender. He laughed at me and said, "Good luck. You won't be able to find another Pentium anywhere except from us." Unfortunately, he was right too. I had already tried. Plus, no other Pentium had a VL-Bus... which the ATI card required. I told him that as a consultant with Emory U., I had power to recommend or not recommend products and I wanted to recommend his, but... He interrupted me and said, "What's Emory? I don't care." I mentioned that I was very involved with the NeXT community both here in Atlanta and on the Internet. He said, "We got the NeXT community cold. They trust us. We got corporations lining up to buy from us. No one is going to listen to you." I told him he had an obligation to make things right - the world "legal" was never used. (Actually, he did use it. The concept is known as "reliance" in contracts. I relied on ALR's promise of delivery and they failed to deliver.) He became *irate* and said "Sue me, I dare you." He used profanity with ease. At this point, I became angry. As a trained soon-to-be-lawyer, I try never to loose my cool. And, I didn't either... I just let my roommate finish the conversation. I left the room. In all my years, I had NEVER been treated by a computer company this way. But, he was right: they had me. No other Pentium was available for at least two months. No other Pentium had a VL-Bus... So, my choices were: a) send back all cards with a 15% loss, b) keep the cards I could and only send back the $500 ATI with a 15% loss and take my chances with the rest, or c) order from ALR and get a lesser computer than I ordered... I chose c. I did not have the money to play the high ground. But, I ordered the Evolution V instead of the VQ. Why? The VQ was a $2000 premium over the V. Unfortunately, my torment was not over. It took me 4 hours to get through to my sales rep. I thought this time delay most strange. When I was ordering, I was always patched right through... but now? I told him *very politely* to send me the V and everything would be ok. He said he would get a quote and call me back. I asked for next day air. He said he would give me that for free. Things were looking up. But, he did not call me back. So, 2 hours later I called him. He said that he could have it to me no later than... Monday or Tuesday. It was a Friday and that was fine. He told me the price. I went and recut the check. On Monday, the computer did not arrive. On Tuesday, it did not arrive. I called. I was passed to customer service. They said that they had sent it ground on Tuesday and that it would be here in one week.. maybe Wed. next week. I was further told that, "You have to understand, big accounts come first." It had now been 2 full weeks since the VQ was due to have arrived. I could not believe this. Knowing that sugar is always better, I told her nicely to accelerate the package and I asked for the shipping number. She didn't give me the number and she said she would call me back. She also told me that acceleration would "cost extra." I told her, "No, it won't." She did not call me back. So, 45 minutes later I called her. She said the computer would be here on Thursday. It was Tuesday so I had to live with that. I called the shipping company myself and they said no one from ALR had called and no acceleration was done. I again called ALR and, while I waited, she did it. The package arrived on Friday. *After reading this over, I can tell you that this narrative does not come close to conveying what it was like to deal with ALR. I only hope this saves some of you the torture I went through. If you must buy an ALR, use a VAR! END OF PART I. LOOK FOR A TECHNICAL REVIEW SHORTLY.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: Running Out of Processes Message-ID: <1993Sep16.142123.8888@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <25vc0c$c9g@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 14:21:23 GMT In article <25vc0c$c9g@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > In article <25v198$f6f@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, > Robert Wong <wrob@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote: > > >In article <25uogp$g5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> > mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: > > > One of the things that most concerns me is that I didn't > start hitting this problem until about a month after I > upgraded, during which time I don't think I've changed my > routine operations. Yet something obviously *is* different. > So far, I can't fathom what, unless it's that I now have > ethernet connectivity (rather than modem) between the two > machines. Both are 040 cubes. > > > >Funny thing happened the other day. I RAN OUT OF > >PROCESSES!!! What was running? Just Preferences, Terminal, > >Edit, Preview, Backspace, NXFaxMonitor, kermit and a few > >terminal shells. Not than many processes IMHO. > The NXFax driver used to have a bug whereby if you unplugged your modem from your computer you would run out of processes after a matter of hours. The bug is fixed in the latest version. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
From: dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! utmp file not updated after 3.0-->3.1 upgrade Date: 16 Sep 1993 17:43:51 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <27a8kn$rd7@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> If you can help me solve this nasty little problem I would greatly appreciate it! I've just upgraded from 3.0 to 3.1, and now, whenever I spawn a new terminal via command-n from Terminal.app, it doesn't place an entry into my /etc/utmp file. The file permissions are OK: -rw-r--r-- 1 root 540 Sep 16 12:17 /etc/utmp so I'm stumped as to the cause of the problem. A symptom is that when I attemp to "talk" I get the message "You don't exist. Go away."--presumably because I don't have an entry in /etc/utmp. Also, if I log in as root, the problem goes away. Has anyone else experienced this difficulty, or am I insane? -- *** David Slotnick *** Applied Research Laboratories *** dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu NeXTmail desired and appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aberno@saltwater.com (Anthony Berno) Subject: Hide Other Apps function Message-ID: <1993Sep16.042504.412@saltwater.com> Sender: aberno@saltwater.com Organization: Saltwater City Software, Inc. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 04:25:04 GMT I don't know if this is old news, but I just discovered that you can hide all applications but one by command-double-clicking on the app's icon. I didn't see it in the documentation, so I figured it might be of use to tell others. Also, the trick of alt-clicking on the Workspace icon pushes the dock to the back in 3.1 for Motorola, but not 3.1 for Intel. Given that I'm working on a 640x480 notebook, it's in the Intel version that I really need this feature. What gives? -Anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Ted Shelton - Systems Engineering <tshelton> Subject: Backgammon for NEXTSTEP ? Message-ID: <1993Sep16.184253.14369@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:42:53 GMT Does anyone know of a Backgammon game for NEXTSTEP? Thanks, Ted Shelton Swiss Bank Corporation tshelton@swissbank.com ANY OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: How to boot in single user mode?? Message-ID: <1993Sep16.183317.27840@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <jhough.748108095@qualcom> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:33:17 GMT In article <jhough.748108095@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: > >I was attempting to get NS/FIP on our network last night and I messed it up, now >when I boot it completely freaks out... all I get is a black screen with my mouse Icon in the middle (to get that far takes half an hour!). > >Is there a way to boot it so it wont load the network stuff? I tried the "config=default" command and that didnt seem to do the trick. > >Also, while configuring, it wanted to know something about a NIS Server... what is this? > >My machine would be the only Next on our network, so should I set this NIS Server to none or what? > >Please help... thanks! > >Jason > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jason Hough >jhough@qualcomm.com | NextMail is great but response time is slower... >"This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- maybe you should try config=Default (note caps) -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) Subject: Re: Anyone networking a Duo and a NeXT? How? In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com's message of 12 Sep 1993 21:32:24 GMT Message-ID: <DJC.93Sep16132946@puck.fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago, IL References: <CD5sD8.547@moksha.uucp> <2704h8INN478@clem.handheld.com> Date: 16 Sep 93 13:29:46 In article <26i3vcINNkid@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > Don't forget IPT's uShare package. They have a client package for the NeXT, > and also have a server option, where the NeXT file system appears as an > appleshare volume, AND any printer connected to/available to the NeXT appears > to the Mac as a laserwriter, for easy print interface. hmm. this is exactly what i want to accomplish as well, but $490 seems a little steep for a one-next, one-mac network at home. is there a lower-cost, less-supported solution to get the mac to talk to my next's printer and disk? thanks, --dan. -- dan crimmins djc@fnbc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <CDGJzp.3zL@agedwards.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 17:45:25 GMT References: <277mqr$922@nic.umass.edu> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Joseph E. Fitzgerald (joef@pandora.ucs.umass.edu) wrote: : Gianfranco Ciardo (ciardo@cs.wm.edu) wrote: : : (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: : : > >>>>> (Carlos Salinas) said: : : > Carlos> Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) : : > Carlos> into with room to spare? : : > A station wagon or very large car would probably be a good idea. : : > Reuven : : Actually, any small 3-door hatchback will do, if you don't : : have anybody sitting in the back (i.e., you lower the back : As I said in an email message to Carlos...my '93 Honda Civic DX : hatchback can't handle my NEC 6FG in it's box. The newer style : cars often don't have a large enough opening to get the box in : to the cargo area (It would fit if I could get it in!). Oh well, : I still like my hatchback. Anyone seen the Isuzu Trooper commercial where the guy's at the auction and buys a carousel horse. That goes into the back. As he goes back into the auction tent to retrieve his wife, he makes the grave mistake of waving at his wife and purchases a rather large stone statue which he then must tow. Perhaps you should look into a custom-designed trailer and not worry so much about which car you get. Oh yeah... ;-> -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: labwm@slab.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ALR Evolution Review (Part II) (Install Help - Long) Message-ID: <4996@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Date: 16 Sep 93 19:02:55 GMT Sender: news@emory.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Technical Review: (Part II of my ALR Review) IN SHORT: ALR delivers a sold, well-designed Pentium for the money. I was very impressed. (It made me a little happier (just slightly) after my earlier experience (see Part I)). Unfortunately, the machine is somewhat quirky with NS and there are some nasty traps which can trip you up. But, once configured correctly, NS will run smooth and fast. In short, a very good NS system, but for a price. (see Part I and below.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The case is small and handsome. It looks *much* better in real life than it does in the pictures ALR sends you or in their ads in PC WEEK. The quality continues on inside the case where all the cables are neatly tied together and out of your way. The case is very open and installing cards is easy, most of the time. The motherboard is of decent quality. It is surface mounted (of course) and the mount points are clean. ALR made one error and did not place the board in properly causing some slight warping during their burn in period. I reseated the board and have suffered no ill effects. One unfortunate aspect of the motherboard, however, is that there are "open spots" where optional ICs could be. These "open spots" represent the optional ethernet (not NS supported anyway) and extra cache memory. Unfortunately, these "spots" are not socketed. So, once you select your options from ALR, you better be prepared to stick with 'em. (Indeed, if any chips do fail, the motherboard will have to be factory repaired.) The motherboard can take 128meg in four 72 pin SIMM slots. I ordered two 16 meg. 70 NS SIMMS to make a total of 32 meg. This left two slots open. The SIMM slots are wide apart and make for easy access. The card slots are a little tight... especially the last ISA slot. I was unable to align a card properly so that I could screw it in that slot. The case is just a *wee* bit off. The card does have a tight fit, anyway, so I don't feel too bad about leaving out a screw. The Pentium itself sits under one of the computer's dual fans keeping it cool. However, when the case is on, the whole computer radiates heat. It is not too hot, but it is warm. The case itself has room for 2 half height drives and an extra 3.5 Hard drive in the back. There is also another area where a 3.5 floppy is mounted. I personally installed 2 3.5 inch IDE hard drives. One was a 210 Meg. Western Digital IDE and the other was a 170 Meg Conner IDE. I attached them both to the Multus controller (more on this later.) I used my NeXT CD-ROM drive and an Adaptec 1542(c) SCSI card to install NS. Also in the computer is a Pro Audio Studio 16 and an SMC ELITE 16 ether card. For graphics, I use the flawed ATI Ultra Pro VL w/ 2 meg. of ram. First thing I did was attach the CD-ROM, set it to 0 and pop in the floppy. And... it locked after the second SCSI reset. Nothing I did could fix that. Now, I knew that was going to happen. I had read other's complaints on the net. So, I installed NS/FIP onto my 200meg. WD IDE previously from another computer that would work. I figured (bet... hoped!) that the problem was just the boot floppy... So, I booted up straight from the IDE... it just worked. So, that is how I got NS to use the Multus IDE controller. Clever huh? :) Some extra notes about HD: be sure and set up the IDE drives in bios FIRST. Otherwise, the Adaptec card... takes over. A word to the wise: put in your cards in one step at a time. At this point, I only had the Adaptec and the ATI plugged in. I added the PAS-16 and SMC later. Now, I had built the disk to the boot-up point on the other machine. My next task was to select the devices and language. This I did. I restarted and... it booted fine - almost. I formated my other IDE and mounted it. (See sysadmin. guide for how to perm. mount a device. You will want to perm. mount it.) I tested the CD-ROM and it worked great. Here is the nasty trick number 1: the parallel port's memory address on the ALR is not standard. So, your parallel driver will say "Port not there" and not install at boot up. You could simply deinstall that driver and forget about it, but that would be unwise. Why? The parallel port's address sits smack in the middle of the ATI's address range. ***YOU MUST EITHER MOVE THE ATI'S ADDRESS RANGE OR DISABLE THE PARALLEL PORT IN BIOS*** Otherwise, the ATI will act rather odd at times. One last thing: the parallel driver gives you a range of "addresses" where it thinks parallel ports should be. You cannot go beyond this range with out doing some hacking. I know how to do this hacking (I did it for the PAS-16) but I have simply (for now) diabled the parallel port. Why? I have no parallel printers and... I need IRQ 7. You will see why later. I added the SMC card and configured it. Please, use what NeXT wants you to use... on all cards if you can. It saves you headaches. Here is the nasty trick number 2: The sound card was more complex. I have an ISA bus. Because of that, DMA 5 on up are out. (See install sheet from NeXTAnswers). DMA 0 is also out. That leave 1-4. Unfortunately 2-4 are used (floppy et al) and 1 was not available as a choice in the driver set up. IRQ 7 was listed as open and with the parallel port gone, I selected it. I had run the PAS DMA and IRQ diag. program and it said DMA 1 and IRQ 7 were available and I had selected those. (I turned off Sound Blaster Support altogether. It is not needed or used.) So, what to do... hack the driver choices! WARNING: What I did was and is not NeXT approved. Do it at your own risk! Ok, if you look under /etc/drivers (or is it devices - I am away from my computer) you will see a list off all the Intel drivers. (You can get into the /etc with the Workspace if you select Unix File System under preferences.) Anyway, you open the picture of the PAS-16 as a folder. It lets you see the files inside. One of those files (there are three or four) has the setups in them. Look for one that says DMA "0 2 3 4 5 6..." and simply add a 1 between the 0 and the 2. When you log out and log back in and open the driver install program... 1 will be available! I selected it and my PAS-16 has worked like a charm ever since. I have not had one problem. Now, the parallel driver has the same "allowed setups" in its driver setup too. I suspect that if you moved the ATI's address and edited the parallel driver to allow you to use the ALR's parallel port address range... it would work as well. Since doing all this, the computer has worked like a charm. The WD is fast on the multus and the computer has proved rock solid. I get 55 VAX Mips from NXBench. I get graphics performance of about .75 of a NeXTStation Turbo Color. I intend to replace the ATI with an S3 based board or a Viper when they are supported. (The ATI has a bug in the firmware that inserts waitstates. The new cut of the board is better... I have the old one. See Sept. NeXTWORLD for more info.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONCLUSION: Would I buy another ALR? No. Not ever. The company does not care about the little guy... like me. The HW is descent, but I suspect that pretty soon, Compaq and others will have HW out just as good and indeed... better. Do I like my computer? Yes... very much. But, it is not the computer I wanted. However, I am happy with it. If you want one... call a VAR like Alpine. (I do not work for or have any connection to Alpine or any other VAR). I hope this has been helpful! Comments are welcome. - William Opinions Are My Own and My Own Alone!!! ================================================================================ Consult. / ITD ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Emory Law Student ================================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: FORTRAN compiler Message-ID: <1993Sep16.203804.16774@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Sep16.134645.5208@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 20:38:04 GMT In article <1993Sep16.134645.5208@news.cs.brandeis.edu> duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) writes: > What can people recommend as a FORTRAN compiler for the NeXT? I can recommend you check in the languages FAQ, posted in the announce group ;-) We use Absoft, which cost $$$. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Developing on HP Workstations Message-ID: <1993Sep16.073110.14608@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1993Sep14.185907.18267@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 07:31:10 GMT In article <1993Sep14.185907.18267@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <270137INNr3j@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes: > > Our users are running > > remote from some other turkey machines like an old R2000 Mips thing, an > > old 825 and a NeXT Dimension. > > I'll gladly take that 32-bit color NeXT "turkey" off your hands for the going > rate for poultry around here, about $3/lb. Be careful. The current exchange rate Dollar/Pound is more like 1.5/1 :-) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc From: mross@netcom.com (Antigone Press) Subject: Re: Making a Macintosh do Email Message-ID: <mrossCDGtxv.CHx@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <CDD1qq.8EI@nvcc.uucp> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:20:18 GMT Chris Osborn (fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu) wrote: : What software/hardware is necessary for a Macintosh to be capable of : sending/receiving email? I want to connect a few Macs to my NeXT : network. : I would like something that would simply allow me to plug : them into my existing Thin-Ethernet network. Once you have the Mac hooked up to ethernet you need the following software: - Quickmail (CE Software) - MailLink SMTP for Quickmail (Star Nine Tachnologies, Berkeley CA) The Mac then becomes a regular mail client (and an IP address on the network) and polls the NeXT for mail every so often. You need to make your Next a mail server and/or modify your sendmail.cf. It works. I have done it. -- -------------- Michael Ross mross@antigone.com (preferred) Antigone Press mross@netcom.com San Francisco CA FAX +1.415.431.3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Hide Other Apps function Message-ID: <CDGwEx.7HL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Sep16.042504.412@saltwater.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:13:44 GMT In article <1993Sep16.042504.412@saltwater.com> aberno@saltwater.com writes: > >Also, the trick of alt-clicking on the Workspace icon pushes the dock to >the back in 3.1 for Motorola, but not 3.1 for Intel. Given that I'm >working on a 640x480 notebook, it's in the Intel version that I really >need this feature. What gives? > It does work in 3.1 for both Intel and Motorola. If you are using the NeXTUSA keyboard, be sure to use the key labelled *Ctrl* (not Alt, which is actually Command). If you are using the USA keyboard, use the *right* key labelled Alt (the left is Command). Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted --
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Trintron ADB 21" monitors multiscan? Date: 16 Sep 1993 22:59:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <27ar3u$5pc@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi, After being repeatedly told by various folks that no Next color monitor would work with any Intel setup but a Dell GX because all have fixed resolution and scan rates, I got a message from a man who tells me that the Next 21" color ADB monitor will indeed work with Intel machines and Macs because it is a multiscan monitor and adjusts accordingly. I have no reason to doubt the info that anyone gave me, but I'm confused. Will the 21" Trinitron based Next ADB model work, or not? The man who told me it would, by the way, offered to sell me one. Thanks Robert de Lucca
From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Making a Macintosh do Email Date: 16 Sep 1993 22:32:37 GMT Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Message-ID: <27api5$lgj@scratchy.reed.edu> References: <CDD1qq.8EI@nvcc.uucp> <mrossCDGtxv.CHx@netcom.com> In article <mrossCDGtxv.CHx@netcom.com> mross@netcom.com (Antigone Press) writes: >Chris Osborn (fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu) wrote: > >: What software/hardware is necessary for a Macintosh to be capable of >: sending/receiving email? I want to connect a few Macs to my NeXT >: network. > >: I would like something that would simply allow me to plug >: them into my existing Thin-Ethernet network. > >Once you have the Mac hooked up to ethernet you need the following software: >- Quickmail (CE Software) >- MailLink SMTP for Quickmail (Star Nine Tachnologies, Berkeley CA) Or you could get MacTCP and Eudora. I don't know which would be cheaper but with MacTCP you can also use the Macs for other things, like news and gopher, with the native mac interface. Oh, yeah, make the next a mail server. > >The Mac then becomes a regular mail client (and an IP address on the >network) and polls the NeXT for mail every so often. > >You need to make your Next a mail server and/or modify your sendmail.cf. > >It works. I have done it. > > >-- >-------------- >Michael Ross mross@antigone.com (preferred) >Antigone Press mross@netcom.com >San Francisco CA FAX +1.415.431.3650 -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Erik Speckman especkma@romulus.reed.edu GBDS "If you can't say something nasty, you shouldn't say anything at all." _____________________________-The USENET Creed-_____________________________
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Making a Macintosh do Email Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:58:58 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <MS-C.748220338.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <mrossCDGtxv.CHx@netcom.com> Don't use Star Nine software!!!!! Star Nine is one of the vendors which is known to be distributing broken SMTP implementations. I forget the exact details, but I remember them as doing something egregiously bad and not being terribly responsive towards fixing it. What's more, it's completely unnecessary to go the route of proprietary email technologies. You can get Mailstrom from the SUMEX-AIM archives as a Mac client, and use the IMAP toolkit from ftp.cac.washington.edu (mail/imap.tar.Z) on the NeXT as the server for Mailstrom. Alternatively, you can get a copy of Eudora and use any of a number of POP servers (including the POP servers in the IMAP toolkit and popper from Berkeley). You may have to pay something for the current commercial version of Eudora, but there's also an older freeware version. The less you slide down the slippery slope of proprietary standards, the happier you will be. You won't have to modify sendmail.cf on the NeXTs at all and you won't have non-Internet mail protocols on your network.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Hide Other Apps function Message-ID: <CDH2tA.7r0@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Sep16.042504.412@saltwater.com> <CDGwEx.7HL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 00:23:20 GMT Robert Davis (davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu) wrote: : It does work in 3.1 for both Intel and Motorola. If you are : using the NeXTUSA keyboard, be sure to use the key labelled *Ctrl* : (not Alt, which is actually Command). If you are using the USA : keyboard, use the *right* key labelled Alt (the left is Command). So, to make sure I have this straight. When using keyboard NeXTUSA: The Ctl Key is actually the Alt Key, but the Alt key is actually the Cmd key. I guess then the CapsLock key is the Ctl key? If I want to use the Alt key, I want to press the Ctl key while remembering the real Ctl key is the CapsLock key. Then, when I want the Cmd key, I have to use the alternate Cmd key labelled Alt? Cool. peter (who couldn't resist...) -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: scintr program error Message-ID: <1993Sep16.170409.8384@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: boot error Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 17:04:09 GMT Does anyone know what this message very early during boot on Motorola hardware might mean and if it is dangerous ? We only seem to see it on some of our Motorola boxes. --- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON FRANCE [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax luis@elysia.fdn.org (NeXTmail ok) -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 13w3 connector for color megapixel display Date: 17 Sep 1993 01:43:35 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <27b4o7$7p9@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hi, I am looking for a 13w3 connector that integrates the RGB signals into one connector on the back of the color megapixel displays. Most monitors have RGB BNC connectors, but NeXT decided to change to this very rare connector. I am trying to make a custom cable to connect my video card to a color megapixel monitor, and I'm having difficulty locating this connector. If anybody has a source for this, please send me a note! Varun
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Open Plea regarding CoXist, Cub'X, etc.! Message-ID: <1993Sep17.014529.27608@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 01:45:29 GMT Dear X-server-on-NEXTSTEP vendor, Being able to display X on a NEXTSTEP machine is wondeful, but installation could use some improvement. Not every user can or wants to become root to install your software (even your demos!) Some users already have /usr/lib/X11, /usr/bin/X11, etc., set up, using the latest and greatest free from MIT -- why do you insist on unconditionally overwriting these directories? Sometimes, all that is needed is the X server, its data files, and a window manager as a local client (and even maybe not the last -- but its nice for performance reasons). An installation option that was closer to an ordinary NEXTSTEP app would be much appreciated for this case. Why can't the X server get its data files out of the .app folder, like every other app? For those who do want NEXTSTEP compiled local clients or X development pieces, an option to install in a user definable location would be great. Putting stuff in /usr is usually inconvenient or impossible at large sites where /usr is shared, or where old versions must be maintained until new versions can be validated for general use. Thanks for your attention, Perry (speaking for myself, noboby else) -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu (James P. Klett) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <CDH84u.BIH@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 02:18:17 GMT Carlos Salinas (carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com) wrote: : I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I : can put my color monitor in. : Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room : to spare? Most vans have space in the back and also trucks, but as for cars? GOOD LUCK!!!! -- _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | | | Programmer James P. Klett | | klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu | | | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question: CD-ROM protection? Message-ID: <1993Sep16.215016.24342@yang.earlham.edu> From: rabahya@yang.earlham.edu Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 02:50:08 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Earlham College Keywords: CD-ROM, protection Hi all- How can I change the protection on a device (a CD-ROM drive) so that users other than the root who are using the station can use it ? Thanks --- Jack A. Rabah / | | _ Computer Science Dept. \ | | / \ Earlham College | / | | / \ RabahYa@yang.Earlham.edu ---------- -----------
From: asteindl@mch2ws2.tuwien.ac.at (Alois Steindl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Memory upgrade: Which SIMMs to use? Date: 17 Sep 93 10:21:00 Organization: Inst. f. Mechanics II, TU Vienna Distribution: comp Message-ID: <ASTEINDL.93Sep17102100@mch2ws2.tuwien.ac.at> Hello, I am thinking about buying more memory for my NeXTstation (68040-25MHz) with serial number ABB 0016 838. Checking the Memory it displays the following: Memory sockets 0-3 have 4 MB page mode SIMMS installed (0x4000000-0x4400000) Memory sockets 4-7 have 4 MB page mode SIMMS installed (0x5000000-0x5400000) Memory sockets 8-11 no SIMMS Memory sockets 12-15 no SIMMS Does this mean that I can buy 8 1-MB SIMMS for the sockets 8-15 or do I have to buy 4-MB SIMMS in order to upgrade to 16MB? In the FAQ I could only find references to 8 sockets. Thanks for your attention! Alois -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Alois Steindl, Tel.: +43 (1) 58801 / 5529 Inst. for Mechanics II, Fax.: +43 (1) 5875863 TU Vienna, A-1040 Wiedner Hauptstr. 8-10 ___________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@netcom.com (Antigone Press) Subject: Re: Memory upgrade: Which SIMMs to use? Message-ID: <mrossCDHpMp.M1C@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <ASTEINDL.93Sep17102100@mch2ws2.tuwien.ac.at> Distribution: comp Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:44:49 GMT Alois Steindl (asteindl@mch2ws2.tuwien.ac.at) wrote: : Hello, : I am thinking about buying more memory for my NeXTstation : (68040-25MHz) with serial number ABB 0016 838. : Checking the Memory it displays the following: : Memory sockets 0-3 have 4 MB page mode SIMMS installed (0x4000000-0x4400000) : Memory sockets 4-7 have 4 MB page mode SIMMS installed (0x5000000-0x5400000) : Memory sockets 8-11 no SIMMS : Memory sockets 12-15 no SIMMS : Does this mean that I can buy 8 1-MB SIMMS for the sockets 8-15 or do : I have to buy 4-MB SIMMS in order to upgrade to 16MB? : In the FAQ I could only find references to 8 sockets. You have 32MB. This is the maximum supported by a NeXTstation. Open it up. It only has 8 sockets. -- -------------- Michael Ross mross@antigone.com (preferred) Antigone Press mross@netcom.com San Francisco CA FAX +1.415.431.3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Hide Other Apps function Message-ID: <CDHt8B.6y9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Sep16.042504.412@saltwater.com> <CDGwEx.7HL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <CDH2tA.7r0@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 10:02:35 GMT In article <CDH2tA.7r0@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu writes: > >So, to make sure I have this straight. When using keyboard NeXTUSA: > >The Ctl Key is actually the Alt Key, but the Alt key is actually the Cmd >key. I guess then the CapsLock key is the Ctl key? If I want to use the >Alt key, I want to press the Ctl key while remembering the real Ctl key is >the CapsLock key. Then, when I want the Cmd key, I have to use the >alternate Cmd key labelled Alt? > Umm, lessee, yep. Did I mention that Insert & Delete and Page Up & Page Down are Volume Up & Volume Down and Brightness Up & Brightness Down, respectively, respectively? Num Lock is back quote, back quote is Esc, as is Esc. I, I, I'm hyp-no-tized. If you just don't look, it feels like a NeXT keyboard. If you're not used to a NeXT keyboard (or if you can't stand the idea of using a button for something other than what it's label says) use one of the other settings. > >Cool. > Heh, Rob PS. You can tell whether you've hit the back quote key an even or odd number of times by checking to see if the Num Lock light is on. Yip-yap! -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: FORTRAN compiler Message-ID: <CDI4pu.3AM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Sep16.203804.16774@cs.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:10:41 GMT In article <1993Sep16.203804.16774@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <1993Sep16.134645.5208@news.cs.brandeis.edu> > duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) writes: > > > What can people recommend as a FORTRAN compiler for the NeXT? > > I can recommend you check in the languages FAQ, posted in the > announce group ;-) We use Absoft, which cost $$$. > If you're cash poor like me, f2c, which translates fortran code to C is really useful. I have even heard of people using it successfully to translate fairly major programs; I think LimDep, a pretty complex econometrics program was translated this way. I forget where I got it, so if you you are interested I could send it to you via e-mail. -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office) (317) 494-9658 (Fax)
From: alfred@ca-risc.co.at Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RE: Equity Warrants/Programmer Wanted Date: 17 Sep 1993 14:38:38 GMT Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H Message-ID: <27ci5e$j8h@hp4at.eunet.co.at> Wasn t there someone looking for programming capabilities on NeXT for financial applications in the Risk Management / Equity Derivatives area? Well, we could not provide a programmer, but .. we ve written an entire environment doing just that (and then some, of course). It even won the 93 Object World award. We can be reached at alfred@ca-risc.co.at and star@fml.tuwien.ac.at Needless to say that NeXT Mail is wellcome! Alfred H. Corrodi Risk Manager
From: OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Word Perfect under NeXTStep 3.1 Date: 16 Sep 93 13:58:34 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <29344@mindlink.bc.ca> If the relase date of your version of Wordperfect is not June 10 1993 or later; I would suggest that an upgrade is exactly what you require. grant -- Objective Business Systems Inc. Phone: 604.682.0510 Fax: 604.682.6579 Email: OBS_Inc@MindLink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: cudmore@took.enet.dec.com (Sean Cudmore) Subject: NeXTCube for sale, PC NeXTStep license/software wanted Message-ID: <CDI475.A72@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 13:59:29 GMT This note was posted by a friend, since I don't have access to these conferences, and I'm desparately trying to figure out how to continue using (and believing in) NeXTStep for my (very small) business. Please send all replies by email (tenny@symbolics.com) or phone (508-287-1338). The goal here is to move to a PC platform (NeXT's future), for the least cost. NeXT has been very unsupportive in this endeavor (sure, my small business is small potatoes, but surely I'm not the only person migrating from Black hardware...) One - Selling a NeXT Cube NeXTCube, Maxtor 330 meg drive, Optical Drive & a few 256MB cartridges extern 2.88 MB floppy drive (PLI), 2bit grayscale MegaPixel display, mouse. 68040 25 MHz board. NeXT CDROM (Sony) Drive [optional] Includes Allegro Common Lisp, Mathematica, Lotus Improv, as well as all NeXTStep developer tools. I've invested heaps of money maintaining upgrades and functionality on this machine. It's running NeXTStep 3.0, works perfectly. I'm moving to an Intel platform however and need to recoup some of my investment. Price: $3000 or what the market will bear. Two - Buying a NeXTStep Intel License & software distribution I'm looking for an inexpensive NeXTStep license and distribution kit. Maybe one of those NeXTExpo licenses. If you've got one to sell, please contact me. Three - Intel NeXTStep migration war stories If any has any sugggestions about what NOT to buy w.r.t PC hardware for NeXTStep, please let me know. I'm planning on a machine running NS & NT. Four - High performance PC platforms for NS. I'm looking at a 32 MB, 1 Gig 80406 DX2 66 Mhz platform. I'm planning on an ATI Ultra Pro w/2MB vram, since neither NS nor NT support the Diamond Viper at high resolutions (which is what every direct market vendor is pushing these days). Is the ATI workable or hideous for NS? Is there a better alternative which runs on most third party (cheap) platforms? I'm not buying any Dell or other NeXTStep certified (and more expensive) machines. I've found some direct market outfits which will vouch for NeXTStep running on their machines in writing. Perhaps the most confusing thing for me, as a non-PC wizard, is whether I should get a VL-bus SCSI adapter, or an EISA SCSI adapter. I want a high throughput disk system. Any suggestions on what to do, or not to do? Five - Soapbox (Skip this if you don't like NeXT flaming) Frankly, I feel screwed by NeXT. I understand and applaud their move to a software only business. What I'm unhappy about is that they have given me no reasonable (low cost) options for transitioning my investments in their technology. When NeXT upgraded to the 68040, they provided a reasonable upgrade. When they required an external floppy, it was expensive, but not unbearable. When they required an optical drive, (I already HAD a magneto optical drive, which they decline now to support) I paid the $700 for NS upgrade and Sony drive. Damn near robbery, but still bearable. Now they want me to spend $2700 on a new license, when, since my Cube is essentially a dead end, a license migration path is really in order. I've called and called. All inquiries have failed to get an alternative migration path from NeXT. Buying the $299 introductory kit doesn't help, there are no upgrades. They refuse to commit to something like "Well, use your Cube upgrades on the Intel Trial Offer base", as a valid strategy. Face it, NeXT hardware is a dead end. Sure, NeXT hardware will be supported through 1997, and software into 1995 (which isn't far, at the rate it now takes NeXT to do a software release lately). But Cube peripherals will only get more expensive, and Cube software more sparse (even with "FAT" binaries). Anyway, the fact that I feel the black hardware is a dead end is why I'm moving to PC's now. I've never owned one before (deliberately avoided them in fact). But there are just too many compelling reasons to buy one now. Since NeXT declines to "do the right thing" this time, I'm either going to find that low cost NeXTStep migration, or I'm going to bail out altogether. I'd sooner write an Objc->C++ translater or port the GNU software to Windows NT. After spending another (and unplanned) $6K for hardware, $2.7K for NS isn't going to cut it since NeXT is essentially *forcing* me to migrate. If anybody has clues on how to move to Intel less expensively (w.r.t. NS licensing), please let me know. If you want to pool resources on a GNU port to Windows NT and some Objc translation technology, let me know. I do compilers for a living, and if NeXT isn't part of my solution any longer, then they're part of my problem. Besides, the FSF already has a lot of the work done on the Objective-C runtime libraries. My particular application (65,000 lines of Objc code) doesn't use the NS libraries much, only the compiler and debugging environment. Unfortunately, porting my code would set back my product release date considerably, which is why I'd rather migrate to NS on Intel inexpensively, rather than give up NS altogether. But if NeXT doesn't start giving me some customer satisfaction instead of the runaround and unreasonable costs, then I'm getting out of NeXT land. I have the future of my business to consider, and lately, NeXT isn't making me particularly happy as a (appropriately priced) solutions provider. All inquiries for sales, purchases, and general hints to help a fellow NeXT user are welcome, but please remember that I can't read the conference. Thanks. Dave Tenny Email: tenny@symbolics.com Phone: 508-287-1338 (days) 508-692-5663 (eves, eastern time)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: How to boot in single user mode?? In-Reply-To: jhough@qualcomm.com's message of Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:48:15 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Sep17131302@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <jhough.748108095@qualcom> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:13:02 GMT To boot single user mode, at the boot: prompt type <dev>mach_kernel -s On my NS/FIP with a boot device of hd0, I type hd0()mach_kernel -s -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: conrad@socrates.ucsf.edu (Conrad Huang %CGL) Subject: Re: Problem with Word Perfect under NeXTStep 3.1 Message-ID: <conrad.748288975@cgl.ucsf.edu> Sender: news@cgl.ucsf.edu (USENET News System) Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab References: <29344@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:02:55 GMT OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) writes: >If the relase date of your version of Wordperfect is not June 10 1993 or >later; I would suggest that an upgrade is exactly what you require. Our version dated "25 Sep 1992" works fine under 3.1. Conrad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Powerbook to NeXTstation Message-ID: <CDIF8n.JJw@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 17:57:58 GMT Fairly soon I'm going to be regularly interfacing a Powerbook (a 180 c I think) with my NeXTstation. Before this blessed event occurs, I thought I'd solicit advice from the networld as to the best way to accomplish this task. The configuration is pretty basic: standard mono NeXTstation, NS 3.0, soon to be 3.1 or 3.2, running a high speed modem/SLIP connection on serial port A, and a "beater" modem on serial B which is used just for dialing phone numbers out of SBook. The powerbook will be hauled around, and plugged into the station once or twice per day to move and or print files, and perhaps to telnet out while the SLIP connection is up. What's the best way to do this? Through one of the serial ports? (I could get rid of the beater modem fairly easily) Is it okay to plug into the serial port while the NeXT is up? Is there any particularly useful software to get for either the NeXT or the Mac end of things? Any and all suggestions welcome. Thanx in advance --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: FORTRAN compiler Message-ID: <1993Sep17.205714.28269@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CDI4pu.3AM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 20:57:14 GMT Jon Haveman writes > If you're cash poor like me, f2c, which translates fortran > code to C is really useful. I have even heard of people > using it successfully to translate fairly major programs; > I think LimDep, a pretty complex econometrics program was > translated this way. Does this mean there's an NS version (or at least a version that runs on NS) of Limdep? I'd be very interested in it if it exists. As another data point, TSP international ran its Fortran code for TSP (a time-series econometrics package) through f2c, compiled it with NeXT's compiler, and everything just worked. They spent two days running checks, so their total porting time was about 2 days plus a couple of hours. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SLIP with dynamically-allocated IP addresses Date: 17 Sep 1993 21:25:39 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Distribution: world Message-ID: <27da0j$j3s@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <278kbp$9qe@usenet.rpi.edu> <27ar67$ilg@pith.uoregon.edu> I have submitted a copy of the U of O SLIP configuration to: cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/UofO_SLIP_configuration.compressed sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions/UofO_SLIP_configuration.compressed Here is the included README: Here is the default configuration for the University of Oregon's SLIP network. The config directory included in this distribution contains the configuration information that needs to be located in /usr/dialupip/config. These configuration files are compatible with the most recent version of SLIP from Louis Mamakos (sp?). Of interest is the file login-uonet.tcl. This file contains the script to wait for a dynamically assigned IP address, and then configures the IP address of your machine. I have also included a copy of the standard University of Oregon sendmail.cf file. It's set up in such a way that you can specify a replacement value for your machine name. For example, if your machine name is localhost, outgoing mail is translated from jfosback@localhost to jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu, or any other name that you specify. Also please note the simple resolv.conf file. This is a simple name resolver that goes into /etc and points to name servers so that you can resolve name conflicts at home (or wherever else you are). I hope that these can serve as an example of how to configure your machine. -jason ___________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: hugunin@mtl.mit.edu (James Hugunin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Rdp_poll_error Date: 17 Sep 1993 22:47:30 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <27deq2$jkq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <CDEJuA.20L@mecati.mecasoft.ch> > My machine (an Intel GX) is at the same time an uucp client and > server. If I use uucp as a client (polling) I have no problem at all. > Instead when a client of my machine polls my machine, exactly after > the uucp connection is closed, my machine crashes with a rdp > connection error (system panic). > > I am already using the new serial driver of NeXT and I am running it > at 38400 and I have no problem using it with other communication > software like kermit or tip. > > Did someone else on the net experience the same problem ? > Thank you very much in advance. > > - Massimo I have also been having problems RDP Exception errors on a Gateway 2000 which is connected to a network of black hardware. Problems appear at seemingly random times. Sometimes it is possible to log in and run quite successfully for a while, and then all of a sudden the system will panic and return an RDP Exception Error. At that time I have no recourse except to reboot. If anybody understands this problem, or could at least explain to me what an RDP exception is (so that I could have a better chance of tracking the error down) your help would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance, -Jim Hugunin hugunin@mtl.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Mounting an AFP Volume- is NFS needed? Message-ID: <CDIx8x.ByA@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 00:26:56 GMT This is an ongoing problem. I have a NeXT on an Appletalk network and I own both uShare and Partner from IPT. uShare sets up the NeXT as an AppleShare server, allows one to print ( if you have uPrint) to an Appletalk printer- and allows a Mac to print to a NeXT printer- and Partner is supposed to allow printing from a NeXT to an Appletalk printer ( ths it does great) and allow a NeXT to mount an AFP volume from an AppleShare server ( or a mac publishing a volume under system 7.x). I have been able to get Partner to print to a printer ( which I already could do in any case) but mounting of an AFP volume fails. One possible reason why mounting an AFP volume from a Mac fails may be that Partner apparently uses NFS to set up mount points. I have the NeXT set up as a standalone computer and have tried every "simple" approach to setting it up as an NFS thing- I simply have no knowledge of NFS/NetInfo. Has anyone encountered this situation? In either case, how would one set up a NeXT so that it could mount volumes via NFS ( and vice versa). I clearly don't want to be a client of an NFS host as there are no NFS computers on the network. Any help would be very appreciated... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Answering Machine Software Message-ID: <1993Sep18.035639.730@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:56:39 GMT Can someone help me locate answering machine software for black hardware and a Zyxel modem. I thought I saw a posting several months ago. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: SLIP Date: 18 Sep 1993 01:17:37 -0500 Organization: tamu Message-ID: <27e961$m62@tamsun.tamu.edu> Hi! I need to know how I can let the SLIP talk to the kermit so that I can establish my SLIP connection to the remote host manually via kermit. Also please let me know where I can get the newest(?) SLIP software for NeXT. Many thanks in advance. hs ps/ Please send me an email to "hsla@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu". thnx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: burchard@geom.umn.edu (Paul Burchard) Subject: Re: Rdp_poll_error Message-ID: <CDJFx8.1AD@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <27deq2$jkq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 07:08:16 GMT In article <27deq2$jkq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> hugunin@mtl.mit.edu (James Hugunin) writes: > I have also been having problems RDP Exception errors on a Gateway 2000 > which is connected to a network of black hardware. We've been having the same problems with a Gateway 2000 on a network. These problems appear to be due to the network card (maybe RDP = Remote Data Protocol??), which apparently has ridiculously small buffers. Our local wizards were able to reduce the problem somewhat by tweaking NFS parameters, but it seems the real solution is to get a quality ethernet card.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Burchard <burchard@geom.umn.edu> ``I'm still learning how to count backwards from infinity...'' -------------------------------------------------------------------- mote Data Protocol??), which apparently has ridiculously small buffers. Our local wizards were able to reduce the problem somewhat by tweaking NFS parameters, but it seems the real solution is to get a
From: jmm@king.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Jeffrey K. MacKie-Mason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FORTRAN compiler Date: 18 Sep 1993 09:05:10 GMT Organization: University of Oslo Distribution: world Message-ID: <27ej06$gk9@hermod.uio.no> References: <1993Sep17.205714.28269@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Sep17.205714.28269@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > Does this mean there's an NS version (or at least a version that runs > on NS) of Limdep? I'd be very interested in it if it exists. > After I suggested using f2c to the folks at TSP and it worked so well, I tried to do it with Limdep, for which I had a license for the fortran source code. It didn't quite work: the program ran and some things worked, but some things caused it to crash. Not being much of a C programmer, and having only a passing interest in the project, I didn't debug it. However, I did compile Limdep using a FORTRAN compiler, and it runs fine on my NS black workstation. -- Prof. Jeff MacKie-Mason internet: jmm@umich.edu Dept. of Economics bitnet: usergc76@umichum Univ. of Michigan phone: 313-764-7438 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 fax: 313-763-9181
From: rolfe@berkshire.ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Powerbook to NeXTstation Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 18 Sep 1993 13:20:16 GMT Organization: Lucky Duck Productions, Inc. Message-ID: <27f1ug$e1@daffy.ldp.com> References: <CDIF8n.JJw@news.iastate.edu> Tom Marchioro (tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov) wrote: : Fairly soon I'm going to be regularly interfacing a Powerbook (a 180 c I : think) with my NeXTstation. Before this blessed event occurs, I thought : I'd solicit advice from the networld as to the best way to accomplish this : task. I regularly see Shiva Fastpath IVs (the older model) advertised on the net for about $175. I'd pick up one of these, hook one side to the NeXT ethernet port, the other to the Powerbook Appletalk port and ftp away. You'd also be able to telnet directly from the Mac, etc. If you're feeling particularly flush, you could also add NFS/Share from Intercon Systems to mount a NeXT volume on the Mac. -- Rolfe Tessem Lucky Duck Productions rolfe@ldp.com 96 Morton Street (212) 463-0029 New York, NY 10014
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: FORTRAN compiler Message-ID: <CDJz86.J1M@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Sep17.205714.28269@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 14:07:17 GMT In article <1993Sep17.205714.28269@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Does this mean there's an NS version (or at least a version that runs > on NS) of Limdep? I'd be very interested in it if it exists. Jeff Mackie-Mason wrote an article in the Journal of Econ. Perspectives that compares different econometrics packages. He compiled a version of Limdep for the next for this purpose only, I think. Whether or not it is being made available, you'd have to check with Econometrics Software, Inc. 43 Maple Ave. Bellport, NY 11713 516-286-7049 Cheers. -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office) (317) 494-9658 (Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: Hide Other Apps function Message-ID: <CDK93z.6E9@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <CDGwEx.7HL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <CDH2tA.7r0@news2.cis.umn.edu> <CDHt8B.6y9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 17:40:47 GMT In article <CDHt8B.6y9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes: >In article <CDH2tA.7r0@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu writes: >> >>So, to make sure I have this straight. When using keyboard NeXTUSA: > > Num Lock is back quote, back quote is Esc, as is Esc. I, I, >I'm hyp-no-tized. > I selected NeXTUSA Keyboard and then ran the KeyBoard app from the Demos to drag a backquote down to where it's labeled (above the TAB) I then saved this new keboard defintion in /NextLibrary/Keyboards so that it can be selected from Preferences. I also removed and replaced the keycaps for Alt and Ctrl so that they visually make more sense. I don't run anything but NeXTStep Now if I could just keep from hitting the backslash instead of DELETE I'll be just fine. -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Fax: (617) 863-8575 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) Voice: (617) 861-5579 NeXTMail O.K.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI under NSi Date: 17 Sep 1993 10:14:16 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <27bv58$11r@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <Sep.15.05.52.09.1993.20277@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: >If you copy lots of files at once from SCSI CDROM/OD to SCSI HD (or vice versa) the system crashes >If you start more than ONE background processes copying/deleting files, the system bombs. This sounds like a termination/cabling problem. My experience is that PC SCSI adapters are much more sensible than Workstation/ black hardware ones. Take short twisted-pair cables and be sure your termination is correct. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd Yesterday MS-DOS reformatted my NeXTSTEP partiton.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTTeX.pkg on Intel Edu Bundle complete? Date: 17 Sep 1993 10:21:25 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <27bvil$12s@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1993Sep14.191102.8884@aragorn.unibe.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit beringer@lhep.unibe.ch writes: >Is the NeXTTeX.pgk package on the Intel 3.1 CD ROM of the educational >bundle complete? >A friend of mine tried to install NeXTTeX.pkg from the CD ROM. TeXView, >fonts, and some macros were installed, but tex and latex (the programs) >seem to be missing. The Installer did not give any errors, so I guess >the installation was correct. The tex and latex executables should reside in /usr/bin. I had no problems installing the TeX package. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd Yesterday MS-DOS reformatted my NeXTSTEP partiton.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using DeskJet 500 with NeXT Date: 17 Sep 1993 10:22:49 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <27bvl9$13k@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <27562fINNa6e@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit groovey@wake.engin.umich.edu (Dawn Kinsey) writes: >Keywords: Printing,DeskJet, NeXT >I want to buy an HP DeskJet 500 to use with my NeXT. I found a driver, but >I am afraid to buy the printer until I know the driver works. Has anyone >had experience with the DeskJet printer driver (obtainted from Anonymous ftp) >or the printer in general. Any experiences or advice would be appreciated. DeskJetFilter (djf_for_3.0 on ftp servers) works quite fine with the DeskJet500. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd Yesterday MS-DOS reformatted my NeXTSTEP partiton.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) Subject: Cube tries to boot from network - it shouldn't Sender: news@interaccess.com (Usenet News) Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet service provider. Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 15:13:16 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep18.151316.272@interaccess.com> Anybody know why my NeXTcube tries to boot from a network now that I have 3.1 installed? I now have to bring up the rom-monitor each time I reboot and do a - bsd(0,0,0) A real hassle. Any clues? Brian Leake. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Image Art "No problems... Only Solutions" Brian Leake phyd@interaccess.com _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <Sep18.162206.29305@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 16:22:06 GMT References: <CDD13G.69@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> <REUVEN.93Sep14235156@marinara.mit.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > > Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) > > into with room to spare? > A station wagon or very large car would probably be a good > idea. A well designed car would probably do the trick, no need to starting planning your purchase of the latest LeBehemoth (besides, in moving NeXT equipment around, it's been my experience that most large cars won't open their doors far enough and the trunks are never deep enough). I drive a Honda Prelude (older model, the new ones are hopeless at carrying things) and I can get my whole cube setup (including printer), all in their original boxes in it where I've had huge taxi's fail. I can get a 21" NeXT monitor in the passenger seat, still in its original box so long as I give up 5th and Reverse. Not the most convenient arrangement in the world, but it works in a pinch with some planning and a slightly different car would do the trick no problem. Take the box shopping with you and try it out (if you think that sounds like a pain, wait 'till you start hauling the monitor around IN the box). Perhaps we should put the results in a new IFAQ... -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: COMPUSERVE FOR NEXTSTEP From: damon.cooper@canrem.com (Damon Cooper) Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.27222.4902.0N183E58@canrem.com> References: <1993Sep15.191459.1584@cesar.uucp> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 04:19:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) FYI: I just learned that Advance 2000 is completing the CompuServe Information Manager for NEXTSTEP...should be intresting!! (Food for your thoughts?!) Damon F. Cooper --- * UniQWK v2.1 * The Windows Mail Reader
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: Making a Macintosh do Email Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 22:51:16 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep18.225116.14153@cyantic.com> References: <CDD1qq.8EI@nvcc.uucp> <mrossCDGtxv.CHx@netcom.com> In article <mrossCDGtxv.CHx@netcom.com> mross@netcom.com (Antigone Press) writes: >Chris Osborn (fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu) wrote: > >: What software/hardware is necessary for a Macintosh to be capable of >: sending/receiving email? I want to connect a few Macs to my NeXT >: network. > >: I would like something that would simply allow me to plug >: them into my existing Thin-Ethernet network. > >Once you have the Mac hooked up to ethernet you need the following software: >- Quickmail (CE Software) >- MailLink SMTP for Quickmail (Star Nine Tachnologies, Berkeley CA) Ok, this will work, but there are better ways. Gateways, especially mail gateways are a pain in the butt. Try Intercon's software TCP Connect II. It includes Email and only needs a POP server on the host. You also get a bunch of other standard Etherner tools such as telnet, FTP, and SLIP. Wollongong also has a new email product for the Mac, but I don't have any recent info. -- Mark T. Dornfeld, CYANTIC Systems Voice: (416) 234-9048 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9B 6K4 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any Wargamers out there? Date: 19 Sep 1993 00:52:30 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <27gagfINNlst@gap.caltech.edu> Hello, I play a fair number of (non-computerized) wargames (strategic and tactical level simulations of combat), and I have often daydreamed about creating a generic, distributed-object based client-server system for playing these. Using DO and DPS allows for all sorts of possibilities. The idea would be to create a simple kernel, then protocols for various pieces to communicate with each other. By making use of subclasses and the Objective-C runtime, it should be possible to represent arbitrarily complex combat mechanisms fairly simply. It should be also be straightforward to define pieces with various levels of intelligence, including complete 'players'. I have a fair amount of experience in creating Object hierarchies (though I need to brush up on DO and protocols). I have a friend who is an avid game player and 'game theorist' of a sort. What I really need is a User Interface specialist who plays wargames, to determine what the client side of things would look like. I certainly welcome brainstormers; I'll call for beta testers much later... The project is tentatively called ICP 'Inspected Continous Play', and the goal is to produce a WarGameKit, with perhaps some simple but interesting examples that could be released to the public domain. We will assume NeXTSTEP as a given - I don't even want to consider X or C++ implementations (although we will almost certainly use ObjC++). I have so many other committments, I have no idea when this will happen, but I figure it will be fun to talk about it regardless. Excelsior, - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: kermit kill system Message-ID: <chris.748413387@vincent1.iastate.edu> Keywords: kermit, NS/FIP Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Sep3.142408.12521@socrates.umd.edu> <fleminmk.747180231@feserve.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 04:36:27 GMT In <fleminmk.747180231@feserve.cc.purdue.edu> fleminmk@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Michael K Fleming) writes: >fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: >hear people say "the NS/FIP serial drivers are bad", believe them. It >would be better if they just left them out of 3.1! NeXT has released the serial driver fix on Labor Day. Those who want it can ftp from ftp.next.com. Those Engineers work throught Labor Day!!! What else do you want them to do. They may be a little silent in the net, but they work hard. They know they shouldn't waste time to deal with those people who only know how to bitch. Fortunately, I'm glad that NeXT is starting to hear and care what we say. :) >Mike Fleming > >>Thanks, >>Charlie >>-- >> NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and >> charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my >> | brother wizards. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black Cubes, or Black Lungs... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 22:05:42 -0800 Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-180993220542@17.220.88.2> A tidbit from the 9/17 edition of the WSJ (pp.B1): "Philip Morris this month introduced a low-tar cigarette tailored specifically for Japan. The company says it hopes the 250-yen brand, called Next, will boost its 12% share in the Japanese market." It'll never work! The Windows for Smokers products dominate the Japanese cigarette market, and few people will switch over to a new, non-standard brand. :~i -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
From: Samuel M. Goldberger (smg@orb.com) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Date: 19 Sep 1993 01:35:39 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Distribution: world Message-ID: <27gd1b$i74@nntp.crl.com> References: <CDH84u.BIH@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <CDH84u.BIH@news2.cis.umn.edu> klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu (James P. Klett) writes: > Carlos Salinas (carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com) wrote: > : I'm planning on buying a car. One of my concerns is buying a car that I > : can put my color monitor in. > > : Which cars can I put a NeXT 21" color monitor (in the box) into with room > : to spare? > > > Most vans have space in the back and also trucks, but as for cars? > GOOD LUCK!!!! <nice .sig deleted> The 21" monitor in its box fits easily into my Saab 9000 Turbo. I suspect it would also fit into a Merkur Scorpio or a Saab 900 hatchback or five door. All the preceeding have about as much room as a stationwagon. It was for that reason (and the need to carry around two Shepherds) that I bought the Saab. -- Samuel M. Goldberger/smg@orb.com Spherical Solutions 22 Miller Avenue, Suite A Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-380-0383--voice 415-380-0381--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: HELP! utmp file not updated after 3.0-->3.1 upgrade Message-ID: <1993Sep19.075452.17420@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <27a8kn$rd7@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 07:54:52 GMT In article <27a8kn$rd7@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) writes: > > If you can help me solve this nasty little problem I would greatly > appreciate it! I've just upgraded from 3.0 to 3.1, and now, whenever I > spawn a new terminal via command-n from Terminal.app, it doesn't place an > entry into my /etc/utmp file. The file permissions are OK: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root 540 Sep 16 12:17 /etc/utmp > > so I'm stumped as to the cause of the problem. Terminal (the executable, not the App wrapper) needs to be setuid root, like this: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 204800 Apr 6 18:19 Terminal.app/Terminal ^ do the following: su root chmod u+s /NextApps/Terminal.app/Terminal -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paulz@olivetti.nl (Paul van der Zwan) Subject: Re: HELP! utmp file not updated after 3.0-->3.1 upgrade Message-ID: <1993Sep19.151202.5855@olivetti.nl> Organization: Olivetti Nederland B.V. References: <27a8kn$rd7@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1993Sep19.075452.17420@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 15:12:02 GMT In article <1993Sep19.075452.17420@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: > >In article <27a8kn$rd7@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu >(Dave Slotnick) writes: >> >> If you can help me solve this nasty little problem I would greatly >> appreciate it! I've just upgraded from 3.0 to 3.1, and now, whenever I >> spawn a new terminal via command-n from Terminal.app, it doesn't place an >> entry into my /etc/utmp file. The file permissions are OK: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root 540 Sep 16 12:17 /etc/utmp >> >> so I'm stumped as to the cause of the problem. > > >Terminal (the executable, not the App wrapper) needs to be setuid root, >like this: >-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 204800 Apr 6 18:19 Terminal.app/Terminal > ^ > >do the following: >su root >chmod u+s /NextApps/Terminal.app/Terminal This is not the solution, I had the same problem even though Terminal was suid root. I checked Terminal defaults and there is one called 'LoginProgram' When I did 'dwrite Terminal LoginProgram /bin/login' it suddenly started updating /etc/utmp. Apparently in 3.1 Terminal uses another program to add utmp entries. Paul van der Zwan -- Paul van der Zwan paulz@olivetti.nl Olivetti Nederland B.V. paulzn@olivetti.nl (NeXT-mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) Subject: 486 or Pentium board for Cubes Message-ID: <1993Sep19.180702.13827@iitmax.iit.edu> Keywords: 486 Pentium Cubes Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 18:07:02 GMT I thought I'd bring up a topic that was discussed long back. Does anyone know of any hardware vendor that might create a 486 or Pentium board for the venerable Cube? NEC was thinking about it a while back. Did they get enough support to justify it? I guess they would need hardward info/engineering help from Canon..? Any info out there? Later, Chris Conley Institute of Design, IIT Chicago p.s. Has anyone thrown together a 16 bit color NSFIP system for under 3500.00? Most of what gets talked about on the net are heavy duty systems. Will the release of more drivers bring the price of entry down? Thanks for any comments.
From: qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu (Feng Qiu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Date: 19 Sep 1993 18:56:50 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> My system is a 486/DX2 66MHz with a 525 M hard disk loaded with NeXTStep3.1. I have a second hard disk bootable for DOS and Windows but without NeXTStep partition. My question is how can you boot to the second hard disk to DOS? Now in order to run DOS(I have no SoftPC) I have to disconnect the hard disk for NeXTStep and set it at master mode then reboot. Any opinions? Fen qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Help with NFS needed Message-ID: <1993Sep19.183459.18220@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 18:34:59 GMT I hooked a Zenith 486DX/25 EISA running NS3.1 up to a SparcStation 2using NFS. The SS2 is running Solaris 2.2. I mounted several partitions via NFS using the standard settings (i.e. not changing the "Expert Options") in NFSmanager.app. Now I can browse the NFS-mounted directory trees but as soon as I try to load a file I get only 8KB of zero-bytes and then the transfer gets stuck/times out. Long directories (probably the ones above 8KB in length) also get stuck. FTP tranfers work just fine, so I guess some- thing is wrong on the NFS side of either the Sun or the NS PC. Did anybody have this problem before and, more interestingly, any idea as to a solution of the problem? Thanks in advance -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 19 Sep 93 20:47:30 -0700 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3945] References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep9.140857.19783@vlsi.polymtl.ca> <CD9AMv.73A@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <r2$@byu.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. In article <r2$@byu.edu> yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: > > In article <CD9AMv.73A@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) writes: > > >It would be interesting to know just what the protagonists in this debate > >actually want to do on their Indy-with-Irix versus Indy-with-NS. I > >would gues that Indy-with-NS would be preferable for "real" [ 8^)] > >development of serious [ 8^)] custom software, if productivity and > >excellence were both issues. > > Oh, no. We just want to play games. Xox on steroids. :-) Thanks for playing, Don. :-) But and I *both* know how "good them demo games on the SGI is." What I want to see is SGI and NeXT teaming together. They're both niche players that are trying to move into the mainstream. And they both have technological advantages that the other doesn't have and won't have probably forever. We've got to stop bickering amongst ourselves and hit Microsoft before it clobbers the UNIX market (and in our current state of retreat, it's very probable--don't EVER underestimate them). NeXT and SGI together would be, if not a powerful team, at least one that hogs a lot of the computer spotlight! __________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows Brigham Young University sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) __________________________________________________________________
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to boot in single user mode?? Date: 20 Sep 1993 05:19:59 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <27jehv$f1h@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jhough.748108095@qualcom> jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: >Also, while configuring, it wanted to know something about a NIS Server... what is this? >My machine would be the only Next on our network, so should I set this NIS Server to none or what? You're getting confused between NIS server and Netinfo Network. NIS is Network Information System, formerly known as Yellow Pages. Unless you have a YP server somewhere on the network, don't set the NIS field to anything! (or your machine will hang on bootup and you'll have to manually edit the /etc/hostconfig to get it out of there). If your machine is the only NeXT, you will probably want to set it for "Non-Netinfo Network", as there isn't much point in setting up your machine as a netinfo server. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <1993Sep20.060732.10368@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <neuss.748093181@ramazzotti> <1993Sep15.173756.25836@KYnug.org> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 06:07:32 GMT Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> writes: [stuff deleted] >Geez! It seems as though some people have very limited concerns/problems >now adays. I can remember long ago in college when I was wondering where >I was going to eat next. Then there was paying rent. There there was... You mean: I was going to eat NeXT. :-) [more deleted] Couldn't resist... Willem
From: ken@phys.titech.ac.jp (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black Cubes, or Black Lungs... Message-ID: <KEN.93Sep20145746@nobunaga.phys.titech.ac.jp> Date: 20 Sep 93 05:57:46 GMT References: <deluxe-180993220542@17.220.88.2> Sender: news@phys.titech.ac.jp (Usenet News System) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Dept. of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology In-Reply-To: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us's message of Sat, 18 Sep 1993 22:05:42 -0800 In article <deluxe-180993220542@17.220.88.2> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: A tidbit from the 9/17 edition of the WSJ (pp.B1): "Philip Morris this month introduced a low-tar cigarette tailored specifically for Japan. The company says it hopes the 250-yen brand, called Next, will boost its 12% share in the Japanese market." No kidding. I have noticed the ads for this Next cigarettes in trains everywhere in the Tokyo area for a few weeks now.. The name did catch my eye, even though I seriously doubt if the name means anything special to 99.9% of the population. And yes, it is Next, nOt NeXT. It'll never work! The Windows for Smokers products dominate the Japanese cigarette market, and few people will switch over to a new, non-standard brand. :~i -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6 -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ7r0lO:!$El5~9)6HBg3XM}3XItJ*M}3X2J!$")(J152 $@El5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(J
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <CDnKtz.87L@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <neuss.748093181@ramazzotti> <1993Sep15.173756.25836@KYnug.org> <1993Sep20.060732.10368@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 12:38:02 GMT Grand Caravan's typically do pretty well. I'd imagine 8 or so & still have room for 4. Audi 80's (& US 90's) will hold one in the passenger seat if you put the seat all the way back, tilt it all the way back and then resign yourself to slam the stick into 5th & Rev. It takes about 10 minutes of manuvering to get it in and about one minute to get it back out. Audi 100 wagons don't have any problem. Audi V-8 Quattro (& 200's) will hold the monitor unboxed in the trunk (the 17" monitor boxes fit just fine). With the 21" box, you're back to the passenger front seat. No chance of getting a box into the Porsche 968, 911, 928, 944, 924... -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Other Risk Computer players beside Chaotic Message-ID: <1993Sep19.010859.502@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 01:08:59 GMT I wondered if anyone had written, or had in their posession any other player types for the computer player in Risk. If you do, please send that .cp folder, or send me a message. Thanks Wes Spears -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cube tries to boot from network - it shouldn't Message-ID: <CDMCz9.663@infoserv.com> Date: 19 Sep 93 20:59:33 GMT References: <1993Sep18.151316.272@interaccess.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Distribution: na Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <1993Sep18.151316.272@interaccess.com> phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) writes: #Anybody know why my NeXTcube tries to boot from a network now that I #have 3.1 installed? I now have to bring up the rom-monitor each time #I reboot and do a - # #bsd(0,0,0) # #A real hassle. Any clues? Change the default from network to scsi. Enter a "?" and you will get all the instructions for the monitor. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FORTRAN compiler Message-ID: <20631@news.duke.edu> Date: 20 Sep 93 15:24:01 GMT References: <CDI4pu.3AM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Jon Haveman writes > If you're cash poor like me, f2c, which translates fortran > code to C is really useful. I have even heard of people > using it successfully to translate fairly major programs; > I think LimDep, a pretty complex econometrics program was > translated this way. I agree that f2c works very well. I used it to translate Linpack routines for a graduate linear algebra course so that I wouldn't have to buy a Fortran compiler. There was no problem whatsoever installing f2c on my NeXT and it worked flawlessly. Someone in Canada who had recommended it to me and who had been using it for a couple of years said he thought that the f2c-translated code actually ran faster than the original Fortran code! Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Trintron ADB 21" monitors multiscan? Message-ID: <20632@news.duke.edu> Date: 20 Sep 93 15:31:00 GMT References: <27ar3u$5pc@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu L. Anathea Brooks writes > After being repeatedly told by various folks that no Next > color monitor would work with any Intel setup but a Dell GX > because all have fixed resolution and scan rates, I got a message > from a man who tells me that the Next 21" color ADB monitor > will indeed work with Intel machines and Macs because it is > a multiscan monitor and adjusts accordingly. I have no reason to > doubt the info that anyone gave me, but I'm confused. Will the > 21" Trinitron based Next ADB model work, or not? The man who > told me it would, by the way, offered to sell me one. I'm not sure if this will answer your question, but last week we tried an experiment here at work. We connected a NeXT Sony Trinitron 17" monitor to a Dell 466/ME, and we also connected a Dell UltraScan monitor (the one that came with the Dell hardware) to a NeXT Color Turbo 32/400. To our delight, both setups worked fine! Of course, this doesn't mean it's advisable to leave them like that for a long period--but now we know that if something should happen to a monitor in transit to a conference or something, we can throw together a system to get us by. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:45:14 -0800 Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2> References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> In article <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu>, sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) wrote: > What I want to see is SGI and NeXT teaming together. They're both > niche players that are trying to move into the mainstream. And they > both have technological advantages that the other doesn't have and > won't have probably forever. We've got to stop bickering amongst > ourselves and hit Microsoft before it clobbers the UNIX market > (and in our current state of retreat, it's very probable--don't > EVER underestimate them). > > NeXT and SGI together would be, if not a powerful team, at least > one that hogs a lot of the computer spotlight! Much as I, and many others, love the idea, the harsh reality is SGI's small installed base. Sure, SGI gets a lot of revenue from each system sold, but NeXT needs volume now to make money. If NeXT ported to SGI's, they'd be right back where they were during the black hardware days (sales-wise). Unless, and this would be critical, the actual job of porting to Mips architecture is very easy. (Maybe NeXT will learn some new shortcuts working with HP that will make each additional architecture port less of a task). The one thing I can think of that would simplify an SGI port is the relatively consistent (and high quality) hardware involved. Oh, well. Maybe in '95 :-| -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
From: davids@ftp.amcc.com (David Story) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Date: 20 Sep 1993 20:32:01 GMT Organization: Applied Micro Circuits Corporation Message-ID: <27l401$o1@ftp.amcc.com> -- +---------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | David Story | Internet: davids@amcc.com | | Applied Micro Circuits Corporation | UUCP: ...!ucsd!amcc!davids| | 6195 Lusk Blvd. | FAX: (619) 450-9885 | | San Diego, CA. 92121 | Voice: (619) 535-6563 | +---------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What exactly are the sales figures for NS? Date: 20 Sep 1993 21:56:12 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <27l8ts$oma@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Has anyone any idea precisely how much NeXT has made with NS/I? All I've seen is that NS sales "exceed expectations", "[are] exceptionally strong" and "doing well". -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (no NeXTmail please)
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 15:23:27 -0800 Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-200993152327@17.220.88.2> References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2> In article <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2>, deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) wrote: > Much as I, and many others, love the idea, the harsh reality is SGI's small > installed base. Sure, SGI gets a lot of revenue from each system sold, but > NeXT needs volume now to make money. [other advocacy ranting deleted] Sorry to follow up to my own post. I composed this thing in between different phone calls and numerous interuptions, cutting and pasting on the fly. Please excuse the tone of the first sentance, as I originally intended to say that I agreed with Sean Luke's sentiments but found the potential number of SGI machines available to be unforunately low to warrent NeXT's limited resources. I hope someone proves me wrong. (No other delusions of self-importance intended.) -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 16:24:03 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93263.162403U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.1 upgrade for black hardware? i seem to have lost all my info regarding the educational upgrade to 3.1 for black hardware, and it's getting very close to september 30th. can anyone clue me in (e-mail because this has been posted before) to how i go about getting my campus bookstore to order the upgrade? i know that NACSCORP can be reached at 1.800.321.3883, but i don't know the correct ISBN # or pricing for the *black hardware* upgrade. also, could anyone who has actually received the upgrade get in touch with me so i know it can be done? sorry for asking about old info... -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS 708.383.9858
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: copying Edit files to DOS formatted disk Message-ID: <1993Sep21.004118.3953@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 00:41:18 GMT I am trying to copy some Edit files to disk which I have initialzed in Dos format. However I get error messages such as file error for /pstate/Hint: invalid argument. i suspect the problem has to do with DOS not liking the / symbol to define a path. I have named the disk pstate and am copying a file named Hint. Thanks for any help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: drivers on i386 boxes? Message-ID: <CDoKy4.BDz@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 01:44:46 GMT Questions: 1) Is anyone out there shipping drivers? (I know DriverKit being beta and all, but just the same.) 2) If anyone willing to pay $100-$300 per copy for the driver (no hardware included) for any particular device? 3) Aside from the lack of 3.1 choices of sound cards, what other gaping holes to you feel (as opposed to perceive)? peter -- Someone with too much time and ambition... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 20 Sep 1993 23:04:59 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <27lr0p$khb@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Gray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: drivers on i386 boxes? Date: 21 Sep 1993 03:35:05 GMT Organization: Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX Message-ID: <27lsp9$um@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <CDoKy4.BDz@news.cis.umn.edu> In article <CDoKy4.BDz@news.cis.umn.edu> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu writes: > >Questions: > >1) Is anyone out there shipping drivers? (I know DriverKit being beta >and all, but just the same.) > >2) If anyone willing to pay $100-$300 per copy for the driver (no hardware >included) for any particular device? > I would gladly pay that amount for a driver for a GPIB (IEEE488) card. >3) Aside from the lack of 3.1 choices of sound cards, what other gaping >holes to you feel (as opposed to perceive)? Other than the pain of having to deal with the peculiarities of PCish cards, I'm impressed with 3.1. The only hole I feel is that due to lack of many Intel binaries for programs that I've become used to on black hardware. > >peter >-- >Someone with too much time and ambition... >peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu rick -- Rick Gray, Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx 77030 | Phone:(713) 798-3346 | Fax: (713) 799-8544 Internet: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu | NeXTMail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Anybody Home ? Message-ID: <CDnLJE.1zM@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 13:02:01 GMT It seems possible that my posts are no longer making it to the outside world ! If you read this, please send me some e-mail: mgb@thoth.stetson.edu or moksha!mgb@edus.oau.org Thanks for your time. Sorry for the bandwidth... -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: WANTED: NS/FIP user to run a few tests Message-ID: <1993Sep19.154442.310@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 15:44:42 GMT I have a set of applications to convert Macintosh files to NeXT formats (or back). I recently made them fat, but don't have access to any intel boxes to try this on. I have a whole bunch of test files to use, but no way to use them. If you have NEXTSTEP for intel processors, and an hour or so of time, I'd be gratefull if I could send you the apps and the tests, have you run the files through the apps, and then send the results back to me so I can see if things worked. Thank you \david john burrowes davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: kapela@poly.edu (Theodore S. Kapela) Subject: NS/IP w/Phoenix KB controllers: Failures/Successes? Message-ID: <CDoqnB.29y@poly.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Polytechnic University, New York Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 03:49:59 GMT I've been having a problem getting NeXTStep/486 installed on my 486 box. After the mach_kernel is loaded and starts up, I get a few lines displayed and an immediate reboot. It looks like it happens after it registers the keyboard, but it is hard to tell, since the messages go by too quickly. It is a Mylex motherboard with an AMI bios and a Phoenix 8242 keyboard controller. This is (supposed to be) another drop-in replacement for an 8742. A while ago someone posted a note about Gateway 2000's having a problem with the Phoenix KB controller, and that replacing it solved the problem. My question is this: How many people are using NeXTStep/486 with a Phoenix keyboard controller. Should I obtain and drop-in a genuine Intel or AMI KB controller? -- Theodore S. Kapela Center for Applied Large-Scale Computing Polytechnic University kapela@poly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Booting NS/FIP: funny question. Message-ID: <1993Sep21.045927.7613@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 04:59:27 GMT When starting NEXTSTEP on an intel machine with multiple partitions, it begins by asking "type n for nexstep, d for dos...", and if you don't type anything, after about 1 second, it chooses one automatically and proceeds. Well, whenever I let it choose automatically, it always seems to choose the opposite of what I want! (both nextstep and dos!) Can my computer read my mind, or is there some way of controlling this default? How DO you control which one comes up automatically? David bau@cs.cornell.edu
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Can a PC be used as Terminal on Slab Message-ID: <HARDY.93Sep20223021@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: jmeacham@clark.net's message of 14 Sep 1993 21:34:57 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <275de1$c3o@clarknet.clark.net> Date: 21 Sep 93 05:30:25 GMT In article <275de1$c3o@clarknet.clark.net> jmeacham@clark.net (James D. Meacham) writes: ??? I just bought a PC laptop (an old Toshiba 1000SE) and I was wondering if ??? anyone had any experience using a PC through a port as a terminal. I ??? don't have a modem for the PC yet, and even if I did it would be a pain in ??? the butt to call from one machine to the NeXT. So, does anyone have any ??? sugeestions on how, if it is possible, this would be accomplished? ??? Thanks in advance. There is no problem in connecting a laptop to a serial port (I run kermit on both at 38.4 kB to transfer files back and forth). Presumably if you run a getty on the srial port (see the manual for that -- I have not tried it), you will be able to log in as well and use the laptop as a terminal. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 05:09:28 GMT Anyone who is interested in Novell's plans for Unix MUST read the 20 Sep ComputerWorld. The top story is "Novell taps Unix": ``Novell, Inc. is expected this week to outline a strategy for dominating the corporate distributed computing market by hitching together its two system software platforms, NetWare and UnixWare. `` `The intent will not be to announce fundamental new products, [but to] describe the relationship of Unix System V Release 4, UnixWare and NetWare and [to answer] a whole slew of integration questions...' said Bob Davis, vice president of Novell's Unix Systems Group.'' Essentially, the story deals with how Novell will more tightly integrate NetWare and UnixWare, including such niceties as coupling NetWare's directory services and message handling services into UnixWare. And here's the big news: From a page 14 story "Novell may give Unix to X/Open": ``Reports swirled through the Unix industry last week that Novell, Inc. will bow to pressure from its major Unix OEM customers and turn over its Unix interface specification and brand name to X/Open Co., the UK-based Unix standards body. ``The move will let Hewlett-Packard Co., Sun Microsystems, Inc. and IBM to continue buying Unix from Novell without the fear of Novell making the system proprietary. ``The most immediate effect of handing the Unix trademark over to X/Open would be price cuts in the major versions of Unix such as Sun's Solaris, IBM's AIX and HP's HP/UX, industry sources said. With royalty-free access to Unix, vendors would no longer have to pay Novell for the right to use the Unix name.'' `` `This is Novell's trump card to get the fractious computer industry to rally begind Unix and Novell's volume Unix strategy - to wit, UnixWare,'' said Maureen O'Gara, publisher of the "Unigram-X" weekly newsletter, which first reported the Novell activities last week.'' Overall, I can't think of better news to receive on the Unix situation. The release of the Unix interface spec to X/Open will, I believe, go a long way toward alleviating the fears that Novell will either try to take Unix proprietary, or might let it languish in some confined role. I feel quite confident that Novell will take an active role in encouraging the unification of Unix under the SVR4 banner - does anyone _really_ think that UnixWare and Solaris x86 are going to be direct competitors? As with the COSE deal, NeXT is once again out of the picture. NeXT has some useful technologies (but dwindling in value with time) that are needed more by the Unix world than any other platform, but NeXT doggedly insists that it's Steve's way or no way. It's floptical deja vu all over again. NeXT still has a chance to jump on the SVR4 bandwagon, but I have a feeling that a foolish pride will goeth before their fall. Oh, well... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Vlcek UNIX for $166! uunet!molly!vlcek Novell UnixWare from Information Foundation Beautiful downtown St. Paul (303) 572-6486 sales@if.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next From: ken@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kenneth H. Simpson) Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep use standard NFS or it's own version? Message-ID: <1993Sep21.000537.20020@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (usenet@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov) Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division References: <1993Sep14.222859.21335@serval.net.wsu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 00:05:37 GMT In article <1993Sep14.222859.21335@serval.net.wsu.edu> jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) writes: >Can anyone tell me if the NeXTStep uses the industry standard NFS, or does >it use it's own version? I am having a problem exporting a CD-ROM that is >in PC format, ISO9660 I believe. The NeXT can read it locally without a >problem, but when I export it, I can't seem to read the CD from a remote >machine. I can mount the CD remotely, can see the directories and >filenames on the CD, but I cannot view or edit the contents of the file. >Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? > >Thanks > > > >-- >********************************************************************* >* John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * >* Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * >* Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * >********************************************************************* This might be a consequence of the block size? Sun uses 1/2 k blocks and standard disk drivers and SGI uses 2k blocks and special drivers? Hence SGI needs a seperate daemon to remotely mount a CDROM? -- ============================================================================== Kenneth Simpson NASA Internet: ken@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov Ames Research Center, MS/269-1 UUCP: ames!ptolemy!ken Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 21 Sep 1993 13:05:44 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2> In article <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2>, deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: > black hardware days (sales-wise). Unless, and this would be critical, the > actual job of porting to Mips architecture is very easy. (Maybe NeXT will You can already buy R4000-based PC servers. They run Windows NT. With a lot of people moving from Windows to NT, R4000 machines, which have a better price/performance ratio that Pentium-based ones, will become more pervasive. It would be shortsighted for NeXT not to consider the chip one of "the waves of the future". Even Nintendo will be using it (Mario Bros in 3D? Yeach! Give me cool Sega stuff instead...) Now, if only R4400 prices fell down to affordable levels real fast... At least for the SGI machines! -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Phone : +41 (21) 693 - 5248 CH-1015 Lausanne FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Switzerland E-mail : matomira@di.epfl.ch CLOS, T9000, Indy, NeXTStep, SEGA, Pepsi... Choices of a New Generation
From: dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu (Dave Slotnick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can Edit be made to use tabs for spaces? Date: 21 Sep 1993 14:37:13 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <27n3ip$al3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Hello! I'm looking for a way to make Edit use spaces for tabs, in exactly the way emacs does when indent-tabs-mode is set to nil. I use both Edit and emacs, but when I load up a document created with Edit into Emacs the tabs screw up my indentation scheme. -- *** David Slotnick *** Applied Research Laboratories *** dave@truth.asg.arlut.utexas.edu NeXTmail desired and appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: 486 or Pentium board for Cubes Message-ID: <CDoxsu.114@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Sep19.180702.13827@iitmax.iit.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 06:24:29 GMT In article <1993Sep19.180702.13827@iitmax.iit.edu> thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) writes: #I thought I'd bring up a topic that was discussed long back. Does anyone #know of any hardware vendor that might create a 486 or Pentium board #for the venerable Cube? # #NEC was thinking about it a while back. Did they get enough support to #justify it? # #I guess they would need hardward info/engineering help from Canon..? # #Any info out there? I own a cube and I wouldn't buy a Pentium or 486 upgrade. It would be a piece of hardware that would be useless unless you owned a cube. You would be better off selling your cube and buying a PC. You would have to buy NSI to run on it anyway. I would buy an '060 since the existing software would still run, only faster. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: copying Edit files to DOS formatted disk Message-ID: <CDoxyC.11v@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Sep21.004118.3953@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 06:27:48 GMT In article <1993Sep21.004118.3953@news.cs.brandeis.edu> fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: #I am trying to copy some Edit files to disk which I have initialzed in Dos #format. However I get error messages such as file error for #/pstate/Hint: invalid argument. i suspect the problem has to do with #DOS not liking the / symbol to define a path. I have named the disk pstate #and am copying a file named Hint. Thanks for any help. If you mix upper and lower case in a filename and try to copy to a DOS diskette you will get an error. This is due to the DOS formatting. DOS is not case sensitive but the NeXT filesystem is. Name the file with all lower case and no more that three letter in the extension and it will work fine. Follow DOS naming conventions for files you would like to put on DOS disks. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: phil@tunis.polytechnique.fr (Philippe Provost) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: E.S.L. organization address ? Date: 21 Sep 1993 15:40:41 GMT Organization: Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers, Paris, France Distribution: world Message-ID: <27n79p$nrr@sheckley.cnam.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, Sorry to post this request there but we are looking for the complete address (email and real address) of the E.S.L. "non-profit gouvernemental organization", U.S.A. Thank you to direct the answer to phil@tunis.polytechnique.fr Phil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Anybody Home ? Message-ID: <1993Sep21.160106.26946@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CDnLJE.1zM@moksha.uucp> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 16:01:06 GMT Michael Branton writes > It seems possible that my posts are no longer making it to the > outside world ! If you read this, please send me some e-mail: There's a newsgroup for this very purpose: alt.test. Post some random message there, and you'll (1) see if it appears in the newsgroup and (2) automatically receive mail from a variety of sites around the net indicating your test posting has propagated there. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Need image of a whistle (TIFF or EPS) Message-ID: <1993Sep21.152223.7375@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <271v44$48j@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 15:22:23 GMT In article <271v44$48j@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: > I need an image of a mole (the animal not the > blemish) in either TIFF or EPS format. Lineart is > preferred, but beggars can't be choosers. Could > someone email me where I could find such a critter? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > > Bryan Milligan In my case, the desired image is a whistle. Either the kind the a cop blows in traffic or what a factory toots at noon. Also thanks in advance. -- Dick Silbar (NeXTMail OK) 505-667-5253
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) Subject: Re: Booting NS/FIP: funny question. Message-ID: <CDppD4.JF1.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: <1993Sep21.045927.7613@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:19:50 GMT In article <1993Sep21.045927.7613@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: >When starting NEXTSTEP on an intel machine with multiple >partitions, it begins by asking "type n for nexstep, d for >dos...", and if you don't type anything, after about 1 >second, it chooses one automatically and proceeds. > >Well, whenever I let it choose automatically, it always >seems to choose the opposite of what I want! (both >nextstep and dos!) Can my computer read my mind, or >is there some way of controlling this default? > >How DO you control which one comes up automatically? Well, whenever I've cold-booted (like when powering up), I've noticed that it boots to whatever partition is listed as the active partition under DOS FDISK. This is the right way to do it, I think. When I've warm-booted, it uses some arcane ritual involving the phase of the moon to figure out which partition to boot. Heh, I've removed NS/FIP from my system (with only 8M RAM it's just not worth it for me to use it), but I'm keeping the boot manager on there because it's pretty good for choosing between DOS and Linux. -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: NeXTWORLD WHERE IS IT??? Message-ID: <1993Sep21.153027.8948@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993Sep15.180353.24672@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 15:30:27 GMT In article <1993Sep15.180353.24672@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) writes: > > > > Does anyone know what has happened to NeXTWorld ? > Are they still in business and when was there last > publication? > This may be beating a dead horse, as this thread re-appears from time to time. My subscription was supposed to run until October, but I stopped receiving issues with January/February. Then, all of a sudden a (very thin) September issue arrives! Followed by a flood of mail telling me to renew my subscription!! To be fair, I called the (NEW) subscription service and told them my troubles, and they offerred to extend my subscription appropriately. We'll see what happens. I don't expect much and I won't renew my subscription for a while, either. -- Dick Silbar (NeXTMail OK) 505-667-5253
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Date: 21 Sep 1993 18:32:58 GMT Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Message-ID: <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> In article <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >And here's the big news: From a page 14 story "Novell may give Unix to >X/Open": ... >Overall, I can't think of better news to receive on the Unix situation. The >release of the Unix interface spec to X/Open will, I believe, go a long way >toward alleviating the fears that Novell will either try to take Unix >proprietary, or might let it languish in some confined role. The release of the brand name is good, but how important is the release of the interface specification? Doesn't POSIX serve that purpose? If it doesn't, shouldn't it? -- Barry Margolin System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp. barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: bestor@caracal.cs.wisc.edu (Gareth Bestor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: image capture for black h/w? Message-ID: <1993Sep21.213802.13383@cs.wisc.edu> Date: 21 Sep 93 21:38:02 GMT Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: low cost image capture on black h/w? Summary: Followup-To: Distribution: world Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Keywords: Any information about low cost image capturing (e.g. camera + frame grabber) for an '040 cube would be appreciated. Anybody with a used digital eyes that they don't need any more? thanks, - Gareth
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: Compiling nn and elm Message-ID: <1993Sep21.193110.3571@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 19:31:10 GMT Hello all, I would like to know how to compile nn and elm on my NeXTStation. Is there anybody that could send me the binary files or simply help me. Thanks in advance, Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org -- --------------NeXT Mail Accepted-------------- | Patrique Lalonde | | 364, av. Wiseman | | Outremont (Quebec) |
From: hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Will NS 3.2 support PCI ? (please :-) Summary: PCI motherboards are appearing - will NS support them ? Keywords: PCI, expansion bus, SCSI support, driver support Message-ID: <6840@darmstadt.gmd.de> Date: 21 Sep 93 22:03:57 GMT Sender: hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de Organization: German National Research Centre for Information Technology Hello NeXT world! In issue 10 of the german computer magazine "c't" there are reviews of various PCI motherboards and graphic cards which are starting to appear in the wonderful world of PC hardware (a.k.a 'Clone Zone' :-). These boards _really_ look promising, both in price and esp. in performance (the PCI bus is easily about 30-50% faster than VLB). Since many of these PCI boards already contain a good SCSI adapter (NCR 53C810 PT), my question is simply if NeXTSTEP 3.2 will support this hardware or not. Does anybody know how difficult it is to write PCI drivers ? Any announcements from hardware manufacturers ? It would be a real shame if NS 3.2 wouldn't run (fly :-) on such a PCI clone only because the drivers for SCSI or the (wicked fast) PCI graphic boards are missing.. Please say it will be so! Pleeease! I have that money _now_ and since I have seen NS on the GUUG (Unix Expo) here in Germany last week, I'm totally hooked..what a beautyful system! (I've avoided INTeL hardware for the last few years (they forced me to do x86 assembly in the university! *blush*), but NS and PCI are the best reasons to give those zombies a second chance :-) Holger -- /// Holger 'Holgi' Hoffstaette, aka: hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de /// German National Research Centre for Information Technology \\\/// Integrated Publishing & Information Systems Institute / PaVE \XX/ 'I'm gonna get myself connected..' - Stereo MC's
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <1993Sep21.172219.2762@yvax.byu.edu> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 21 Sep 93 17:22:18 -0700 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3945] References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <26l730$28b@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2> <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> Organization: Brigham Young University Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. In article <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > You can already buy R4000-based PC servers. They run Windows NT. With a lot > of people moving from Windows to NT, R4000 machines, which have a better > price/performance ratio that Pentium-based ones, will become more pervasive. > It would be shortsighted for NeXT not to consider the chip one of "the waves > of the future". Sadly, I am afraid this is the case. Just as SGI considers NeXTSTEP a software lightweight, NeXT considers (with somewhat good cause) the R4000 not a major chip contender. Market droids can sometimes miss obvious advantages of a product, concentrating instead on sheer volume. My kinda-informed prediction for emerging NeXTSTEP platforms in the near future (in order): 1 HP PA/RISC (definitely coming) 2 SPARC (known to be in the works) 3 POWERPC (widely rumored--but just rumored) ...say, does anyone note a tendency to go all-caps in chip names these days? :-) __________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows Brigham Young University sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) __________________________________________________________________
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From: marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.2 ???? Date: 21 Sep 1993 18:00:22 -0700 Message-ID: <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Summary: Eval kit upgrade price? The end of September is rapidly approaching, wouldn't it would be nice to hear something definitive about whether there will be a discount for 3.2 eval kit owners? Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard awhile back it was nearing completion. marcus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Subject: Re: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? In-Reply-To: qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu's message of 19 Sep 1993 18:56:50 GMT Message-ID: <DEAN.93Sep21234457@world.std.com> Sender: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 04:44:57 GMT In article <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu (Feng Qiu) writes: :: My system is a 486/DX2 66MHz with a 525 M hard disk loaded with :: NeXTStep3.1. I have a second hard disk bootable for DOS and Windows but :: without NeXTStep partition. My question is how can you boot to the second :: hard disk to DOS? Now in order to run DOS(I have no SoftPC) I have to :: disconnect the hard disk for NeXTStep and set it at master mode then :: reboot. :: Two choices, neither too pleasant: 1) Partition your 525 Next drive to add a small DOS partition. Install DOS on it, and have your AUTOEXEC transfer immediately to theother drive. With the DOS partition on the NS disk, you will be given the DOS option at boot time. You will have to scratch your NS partition ot do this. The DOS partition can be *quite* small, but if you make it too small, you must install DOS very manually on the 'D:' drive. The DOS install wants to be on the 'C:' drive. I run with a 5 MB DOS partition on my NS primary drive and it works fine when booted to DOS. 2) Create a diskette with your AUTOEXEC and CONFIG files on it. Place it in the primary drive when you wish to boot to DOS. Have your AUTOEXEC trans- fer control immediately to your D: drive. This is a bear, since any time the system needs to reload command.com, it will do it from the A: (diskette) drive, which is quite slow. Hope this is some help. -Dean -- Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com Darien, CT 06820
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling nn and elm Date: 22 Sep 1993 04:06:15 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <27oivn$qt@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1993Sep21.193110.3571@cesar.uucp> In article <1993Sep21.193110.3571@cesar.uucp>, Patrique Lalonde <pat%cesar@cam.org> wrote: >Hello all, > >I would like to know how to compile nn and elm on my NeXTStation. >Is there anybody that could send me the binary files or simply help me. You can acquire the sources and suitable notes from me at yak.macc.wisc.edu, 144.92.30.18, wrt elm. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----> It's better to have a permanent income than to be fascinating. <------]
From: smg@orb.com ("Samuel M. Goldberger") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Further to the ALR V-Q Story Date: 22 Sep 1993 06:16:10 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Distribution: world Message-ID: <27oqja$1im@nntp.crl.com> I recently forwarded the recent reviews that appeared here of the ALR Evolution V-Q to my own sales rep at ALR. I also spoke to the manager in question. Reason being that I've been considering carrying the V-Q as the NSI platform of choice, and I need to know how their customer service responds. To ALR's credit, they have taken this matter very seriously, and the reports are making their way, in xerox form, through the entire company, including the President. I've suggested that they should get an Internet account so as to be able to respond directly to queries, much as SGI does. I should have a further update later in the week. -- Samuel M. Goldberger/smg@orb.com Spherical Solutions 22 Miller Avenue, Suite A Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-380-0383--voice 415-380-0381--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: <CDq06G.2p8@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 20:13:28 GMT flames to /dev/null -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: <CDq9Ms.39n@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 23:37:40 GMT if this makes it out, sorry to clutter the net. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: Re: SCSI under NSi Message-ID: <gslCDquDD.AB9@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <Sep.15.05.52.09.1993.20277@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 07:05:37 GMT John Kheit (kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote: : I just want to know if other people using SCSI controllers under NSi are satisfied with them? I have DPT card on an EISA system and I cant get it to work even close to how my black hardware works. Is anyone out there experiencing problems similar to: : If you copy lots of files at once from SCSI CDROM/OD to SCSI HD (or vice versa) the system crashes : If you start more than ONE background processes copying/deleting files, the system bombs. : Pretty much it seems like under NSi you cant do more than one thing at a time (involving SCSI I/O), nor can you do any movement of a great number of files without bombing the system. : BTW, my DPT is configured as suggested under NeXTanswers so its just the software being crappy.?.? : I would appreciate hearing your experience good or bad and what SCSI/MB combination you have. I'm getting the same behavour. I've learned not to anything else when I'm accessing the CD-ROM and even then I pray the file I'm touching isn't too big. Greg Lindholm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: test please ignore Message-ID: <CDqGBq.3Io@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 02:02:14 GMT cat flames > /dev/null -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: <CDqK65.41J@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 03:25:17 GMT sorry -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Message-ID: <gslCDquz4.BAH@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 07:18:39 GMT Does anyone know if/how to read/write a diskette on NS/FIP using cpio or tar such that it can be interchanged with other unix systems? Greg Lindholm gsl@netcom.com
From: tmorris@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Tim Morris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What are NeXT Mail "vox" files? Date: 22 Sep 1993 07:09:37 GMT Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Message-ID: <27otnh$nsm@diemen.utas.edu.au> I recently received a piece of NeXT mail on a non-NeXT mail machine. I managed to decompress and untar it, and was left with a large (2 megabyte) file called "VoiceMail_blah.vox" where blah is the name of the person that sent it to me. Is this an audio file, or what? Reply by email if you can, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Tim.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: aris@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Aris Theocharides ) Subject: Mathematica and NeXTstep cohesion Message-ID: <9326518.15746@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Melbourne Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 08:25:29 GMT I am interested in any source or demo apps that use Mathematica as a work engine with a NeXTstep front end. I used to have some plotting programs a while back but lost the origin. Anyone have any? Or know where to look? Send by NeXTmail is okay and preferred, but anything will be appreciated. Aris Theocharides OZNeXT User Group Vice-President <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> -- name: aris theocharides. address: room g63, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.40.21, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU
From: fasano@nic.cerf.net (Christopher G. Fasano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: UDP on the NeXT Date: 22 Sep 1993 11:42:01 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Message-ID: <27pdm9$t45@news.cerf.net> Hello, I am trying to get xarchie to run on my next and I have encountered a problem that I believe should be easy to fix. Apparently xarchie wants to use a UDP port that is > 1000, but UDP traffic is not enabled for ports >1000. So how do I enable UDP traffic on ports >1000? I have looked through the manuals that I have, but I have not found an answer.... Please respond to fasano@scarolina.cerfnet.com Thanks in advance Chris Fasano Francis Marion Univ. Florence, SC 29501
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <1993Sep22.103734.5797@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco References: <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 10:37:34 GMT Marcus Daniels (marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard awhile back it : was nearing completion. "After the first of the year". -- NeXT upgrade telephone employee, 21 September 1993. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apologies for all the test posts Date: 22 Sep 1993 09:31:53 -0400 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <27pk49$bdn@seine.cs.umd.edu> sorry for the flood of test posts to this group. I was sure they weren't leaving my site, so got careless about which group I used - thinking at worst one would leak out before I detected it. apparantly, they were being batched downstream somewhere, unfortunately, I can't cancel them for technical reasons. it wont happen again. P.S. you can stop with the (mostly polite) flames already :-) -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: SCSI under NSi Message-ID: <CDr8BJ.GIL@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <Sep.15.05.52.09.1993.20277@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <gslCDquDD.AB9@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:06:55 GMT In article <gslCDquDD.AB9@netcom.com> gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) writes: >John Kheit (kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote: >: I just want to know if other people using SCSI controllers under NSi are satisfied with them? I have DPT card on an EISA system and I cant get it to work even close to how my black hardware works. Is anyone out there experiencing problems similar to: > >: If you copy lots of files at once from SCSI CDROM/OD to SCSI HD (or vice versa) the system crashes > >: If you start more than ONE background processes copying/deleting files, the system bombs. > >: Pretty much it seems like under NSi you cant do more than one thing at a time (involving SCSI I/O), nor can you do any movement of a great number of files without bombing the system. > >: BTW, my DPT is configured as suggested under NeXTanswers so its just the software being crappy.?.? > >: I would appreciate hearing your experience good or bad and what SCSI/MB combination you have. > >I'm getting the same behavour. I've learned not to anything else when >I'm accessing the CD-ROM and even then I pray the file I'm touching >isn't too big. > >Greg Lindholm > I am using a system from Advance2000. I booted from a Toshiba 3401 external from an SGI system. My controller is a DPT 2022/95 with new firmware. I have unpasked 2-3 packages from cdrom simultaneously. Had 5 simultaneous background copies (total of >500MB) between my internal Seagate 11200 1MB drive and a similar external 11200 (form my cube). I have not experienced any problems with anything except the Serial driver. p.s. are you guys talking about copying files via the workspace or normally cpio & cp -r. If its the workspace then you're running into to the known WM mach task leak. -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Fax: (617) 863-8575 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) Voice: (617) 861-5579 NeXTMail O.K.
From: tmorris@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Tim Morris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <27otnh$nsm@diemen.utas.edu.au> Control: cancel <27otnh$nsm@diemen.utas.edu.au> Date: 22 Sep 1993 13:22:14 GMT Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Message-ID: <27pji6$cuf@diemen.utas.edu.au> cancel <27otnh$nsm@diemen.utas.edu.au> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc
From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Message-ID: <2254@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 22 Sep 93 13:45:37 GMT References: <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> <DEAN.93Sep21234457@world.std.com> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Dean S Banfield (dean@world.std.com) wrote: : In article <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu (Feng Qiu) writes: : :: My system is a 486/DX2 66MHz with a 525 M hard disk loaded with : :: NeXTStep3.1. I have a second hard disk bootable for DOS and Windows but : :: without NeXTStep partition. My question is how can you boot to the second : :: hard disk to DOS? Now in order to run DOS(I have no SoftPC) I have to : :: disconnect the hard disk for NeXTStep and set it at master mode then : :: reboot. : :: : Two choices, neither too pleasant: 1) Partition your 525 Next drive to add : a small DOS partition. Install DOS on it, and have your AUTOEXEC transfer : immediately to theother drive. With the DOS partition on the NS disk, you : will be given the DOS option at boot time. You will have to scratch your : NS partition ot do this. The DOS partition can be *quite* small, but if : you make it too small, you must install DOS very manually on the 'D:' drive. : The DOS install wants to be on the 'C:' drive. I run with a 5 MB DOS : partition on my NS primary drive and it works fine when booted to DOS. 2) : Create a diskette with your AUTOEXEC and CONFIG files on it. Place it : in the primary drive when you wish to boot to DOS. Have your AUTOEXEC trans- : fer control immediately to your D: drive. This is a bear, since any time : the system needs to reload command.com, it will do it from the A: (diskette) : drive, which is quite slow. Hope this is some help. : -Dean : -- : Dean S. Banfield Voice: (203) 656-1500 : Real Decisions Corporation FAX : (203) 656-1659 : 22 Thorndal Circle email: dean@world.std.com : Darien, CT 06820 This is not quite right since if I remember correctly from my DOS days you can issue the command 'set shell=d:\command.com' or something like that in the autoexec.bat file and then the system will look for command.com on drive d: and not on drive a:. Yadin.
From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Message-ID: <2255@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 22 Sep 93 13:51:15 GMT References: <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> <DEAN.93Sep21234457@world.std.com> <2254@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Actually the right command is set comspec=d:\command.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: wmark@mswinsor (Mark S. Winsor) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <1993Sep22.145844.5606@mswinsor> Organization: ProVAR References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 14:58:44 GMT -- __ email: wmark@mswinsor.UUCP or ' )--,--, / Mark S. Winsor wmark@wb3ffv.ampr.org / / / __. __ /__, Systems Analyst #include <stddisclaimer.h> / / (_(_/|_/ (_/ \_ ProVAR, Inc.
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 07:50:46 PDT Message-ID: <1993Sep22.145046.2016@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI under NSi References: <gslCDquDD.AB9@netcom.com> gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) writes: > John Kheit (kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote: : I just want to > know if other people using SCSI controllers under NSi are > satisfied with them? I have DPT card on an EISA system and I > cant get it to work even close to how my black hardware > works. Is anyone out there experiencing problems similar to: > > : If you copy lots of files at once from SCSI CDROM/OD to > SCSI HD (or vice versa) the system crashes > > : If you start more than ONE background processes > copying/deleting files, the system bombs. > > : Pretty much it seems like under NSi you cant do more than > one thing at a time (involving SCSI I/O), nor can you do any > movement of a great number of files without bombing the > system. > > : BTW, my DPT is configured as suggested under NeXTanswers so > its just the software being crappy.?.? > > : I would appreciate hearing your experience good or bad and > what SCSI/MB combination you have. > > I'm getting the same behavour. I've learned not to anything > else when I'm accessing the CD-ROM and even then I pray the > file I'm touching isn't too big. I occasionally have multiple background processes going...not too often, but I don't consciously avoid it. I usually leave the CD-ROM powered down, but I use it fairly heavily when Electronic AppWrapper comes out, and I've never had a problem. I am using an Adaptec 1542B on an ISA bus in a Dell 450/L. The disk is a Quantum 700LPS. I have never had a crash that I couldn't attribute to the old serial driver. Since updating that, I have yet to crash, just the occasional reboot to Windows :-(. Just a datapoint. --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Subject: Re: Reviving Optical Disk Message-ID: <CDqv87.1p4@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Sender: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Organization: Deep Breakfast Productions References: <263ihe$hqk@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 07:24:07 GMT In article <260hfe$t2g@skat.usc.edu> sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes: : The worst of fates has befallen me. My Optical Disk, with about : 200 meg worth of technical data, USENET memorobilia, and personal data : has gone way south. The window comes up with the "Optical Disk `foo' : is damaged" message with the IGNORE, INITIALIZE, or REPAIR buttons. If : I choose to "Repair" it tries for a short while and then ejects the disk : with a popup message: "Error while repairing disk: unable to fsck disk." : One of our local NeXT wizards ran "fsck" in single-user mode for three : hours trying to revive this disk, but no luck. I've had several ODs die on me and have been able to "revive" them. Try the following: From the command line and as root enter the following: /etc/disk /dev/rod0a Above assumes that the optical drive is device od0a. disk needs a raw device thus "/dev/rod0a". You should get a prompt to insert the disk. Insert the OD. You can exit the program 'disk' with the command "quit" or leave it running. Either way enter the following at the command line: mount /dev/od0a /DeadDisk Above mounts device "/dev/od0a" as directory "/DeadDisk" (directory name doesn't matter). You should now have access to all your files from directory /DeadDisk (or whatever you used). I suggest backing up the entire OD in some manner and then reformatting it. When done with the OD: umount /DeadDisk /etc/disk -e /dev/rod0a Above is from memory, so good luck! 'Los
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <1993Sep22.172127.6855@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 17:21:27 GMT In article <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) writes: > The end of September is rapidly approaching, wouldn't it would be nice to > hear something definitive about whether there will be a discount for > 3.2 eval kit owners? > > Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard awhile back it > was nearing completion. Given that we haven't seen it in beta yet, I wouldn't hold my breath for a release version. It is supposed to include SoftPC, which is just entering beta now itself. I am far more interested in whether 3.2 driver (assuming there will be some extra ones with it) will run on the 3.1 eval units out there. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
From: dschmidt@hp10.next.com (Dan Schmidt (HP)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 22 Sep 1993 08:00:30 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <27p0mu$8m1@rosie.next.com> References: <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> Keywords: HP, SGI, port In article <1993Sep19.204731.2734@yvax.byu.edu> writes: > In article <r2$@byu.edu> > yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: > > > > > In article <CD9AMv.73A@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) writes: > > > > >It would be interesting to know just what the protagonists in this debate > > >actually want to do on their Indy-with-Irix versus Indy-with-NS. I > > >would gues that Indy-with-NS would be preferable for "real" [ 8^)] > > >development of serious [ 8^)] custom software, if productivity and > > >excellence were both issues. > > > > Oh, no. We just want to play games. Xox on steroids. :-) > > Thanks for playing, Don. :-) > But and I *both* know how "good them demo games on the SGI is." > > What I want to see is SGI and NeXT teaming together. They're both > niche players that are trying to move into the mainstream. And they > both have technological advantages that the other doesn't have and > won't have probably forever. We've got to stop bickering amongst > ourselves and hit Microsoft before it clobbers the UNIX market > (and in our current state of retreat, it's very probable--don't > EVER underestimate them). > > NeXT and SGI together would be, if not a powerful team, at least > one that hogs a lot of the computer spotlight! The SGI has some wonderful graphics capabilities that you are obviously referring to but some people fail to realize that HP's graphics is about the the same speed and quality. The two companies have been competing in the accelerated-graphics arena for many years and both have been ahead at one time or another. The place where SGI has won perhaps more often that not is in marketing and general awareness. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <Sep22.214908.101193@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 21:49:08 GMT References: <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> <1993Sep22.103734.5797@antigone.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > > Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard awhile > > back it was nearing completion. > "After the first of the year". > -- NeXT upgrade telephone employee, 21 September 1993. "We have an outside service answering questions who seem to have gotten confused about the ship date for 3.2. It is scheduled to ship around the end of October or the first week in November 1993." -- NeXTSTEP Project Manager (Paraphrased) 14 September 1993 -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Flat panel display device Message-ID: <1993Sep22.134345.1265@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 13:43:45 GMT A few weeks ago I saw that some company was demoing a flat panel display at a NeXT user's group meeting (SCaN maybe?). Did this demo happen? What company made the panel? What were the display resolution limits? Was it multi-syncing? Thanks --- Larry Blische lkba!lkb@uunet.UU.NET LKB Associates, Inc. NeXTmail Welcome! 3118 Dunglow Road 410 285 2262 Dundalk, Maryland 21222-5304 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bmerh170.bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Message-ID: <1993Sep23.012831.15103@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: hlam@bmerh170 (Hayward Lam) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 01:28:31 GMT The subject says it all. And how much? Hayward
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hellgate.utah.edu!uplherc!cusa!magnusson!kris (Kristopher Magnusson) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <1993Sep22.175551.2260@magnusson.uucp> Sender: kris@magnusson.uucp Organization: Salt Lake area NeXT Group References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 17:55:51 GMT In article <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: | Anyone who is interested in Novell's plans for Unix MUST read the 20 Sep | ComputerWorld. The top story is "Novell taps Unix": | | <stuff munched> | | And here's the big news: From a page 14 story "Novell may give Unix to | X/Open": | | ``Reports swirled through the Unix industry last week that Novell, Inc. will | bow to pressure from its major Unix OEM customers and turn over its Unix | interface specification and brand name to X/Open Co., the UK-based Unix | standards body. | | ``The most immediate effect of handing the Unix trademark over to X/Open | would be price cuts in the major versions of Unix such as Sun's Solaris, | IBM's AIX and HP's HP/UX, industry sources said. With royalty-free access to | Unix, vendors would no longer have to pay Novell for the right to use the | Unix name.'' | | | As with the COSE deal, NeXT is once again out of the picture. NeXT has some | useful technologies (but dwindling in value with time) that are needed more | by the Unix world than any other platform, but NeXT doggedly insists that | it's Steve's way or no way. It's floptical deja vu all over again. NeXT | still has a chance to jump on the SVR4 bandwagon, but I have a feeling that a | foolish pride will goeth before their fall. Oh, well... | -- | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jim Vlcek UNIX for $166! | uunet!molly!vlcek Novell UnixWare from Information Foundation | Beautiful downtown St. Paul (303) 572-6486 sales@if.com NeXT is shooting for the future by not porting to COSE. I think this is smart. COSE may become a standard interface, but so what? It's my understanding that Far more important to me than COSE compliance is that 1) NeXT's comply with object standards to retain compatibility and mindshare in the coming object wars; 2) NeXT continue to refine its object library and add significant technology (like an object-oriented file system) to keep it superior to other vendors' future offerings; 3) NeXT maintain superior integration of its object kits with its tools; and 4) NeXT generalize NEXTSTEP to run on whatever OSes become popular in the next few years. The Novell competitor I'm concerned about is AppWare, not COSE. AppWare has some RAD capabilities and has a greater potential to become a standard RAD toolkit due to the combination of its acceptable performance in the RAD market and its cross-platform compatibility. I know at least one big company using NEXTSTEP as a RAD/cross-platform tool that is considering dropping it in favor of AppWare, and I'm sure others may follow. The solution for NeXT is to cut NEXTSTEP loose from Unix and port it to whatever OSes become popular in the next few years. But that's a big job, and sales from NS/I and NS/PS-RISC will have to pave the way. Time will of course tell. /Kris -- Kris Magnusson <kris@magnusson.uucp> Alpine Computing NeXT sales/SLaNG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ``It's a Unix system! It shows you what to do!'' --Jurassic Park
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Thanks to all who responded ! Message-ID: <CDrALp.8CH@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:56:12 GMT My upstream news problem is apparently fixed as my post got out. My mailbox is overflowing ! Thanks to all, and to Stefano Pagiola who told me about alt.test which apparently at many sites generates an automatic reply.... -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep22.224816.2790@yvax.byu.edu> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 22 Sep 93 22:48:15 -0700 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3945] References: <274o80$esp@hermes.athena.com> Organization: Brigham Young University Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. In article <274o80$esp@hermes.athena.com> tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > > FROM THE DESK OF DAVE POLLAK: [..] > The Lotus v. Borland decision is the first decision to grant copyright > protection to a language. Based on the reasoning in the decision, AT&T > owns a copyright on the C language and anybody with a C compiler is > currently infringing on that copyright. I found the decision and its > reasoning deeply disturbing. Somebody had to do something about it. > Seeing as I am the only lawyer in the world who has written a spreadsheet > that can run Lotus Macros, I figured is was that somebody. > > I claim that a computer program written in any language is protected > speech. This should be a very easy point to win, although there is no > case law on it. [..] > Think about a situation in which the government granted monopoly rights to > a printing company such that anybody who wrote a Chinese language > publication had to have it printed by this company. That would abridge > the rights of anybody who used Chinese as a means of expression. > > I use programs written in the Lotus Macro Language as a means for business > and creative expression. Under the Borland ruling, I must go to the Lotus > "printing company" and pay a royalty to express myself in this language. > This is prior restraint. First Amendment and prior restraint draws the > attention of the Court and the issues underlying mandamus should be > possible to overcome. Good luck--Mesa is a nice program indeed. May I make two observations: 1) Lotus' acquisition of their language does indeed set a dangerous precedent. All of us could be using an illegal compiler because AT&T owns the copyright to both the C and C++ languages. Adobe could go after other companies for making PostScript interpreters. The only truly safe language would be Xbase, since Dbase lost its day in court. 2) I have to disagree with your take on the judgement as violating your freedom of expression, because the only thing computer languages and natural language have in common in that they both use the word "language". A natural language is a method of expression. A computer language describes a process by which some action is carried out. The decision does not prevent us from writing our action down using this process, only in performing the action using the process. In other words, it doesn't prevent writing 1-2-3 programs, only in interpreting them. Processes can be patented quite nicely. Likewise,the BNF of a language (which is essentially the process by which programs written in that language are carried out) can be patentable. I suggest a possible alternate way to attack the decision is that the 1-2-3 macro language (and C, and C++, and PostScript) was *copyrighted* but not *patented* (I think). Coppyright protects freedom of expression, but not the integrity of a process--that's a patent's job. And since the language is used in the public domain, it can no longer be patented. Hence, it should be legal to use the language. (Yeah, here I am, mister big law-expert :-) ) Anyway, it's an idea. __________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows Brigham Young University sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) __________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Message-ID: <1993Sep23.054650.19240@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Sep23.012831.15103@bmers95.bnr.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 05:46:50 GMT We paid US$350 for a copy received in late July. That may have been a special price--I don't know. -=EPS=-
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Date: 23 Sep 1993 06:42:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <27rghe$lhd@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Sep22.224816.2790@yvax.byu.edu> Sean Luke writes > > Good luck--Mesa is a nice program indeed. May I make two observations: > > 2) I have to disagree with your take on the judgement as violating your > freedom of expression, because the only thing computer languages and > natural language have in common in that they both use the word > "language". A natural language is a method of expression. > A computer language describes a process by which some action is carried > out. This is not true. Or, at least, it is not entirely true :-) Computer languages do describe the process by which some action is carried out. But, they do much much *much* MUCH more. Witness the recent proliferation of "Object-Oriented" languages. OO languages do not offer more "computational power" than other ones. What they offer is a different perspective on traditional programming tasks. A new way of looking at problems and new ways of solving problems. In short, what language we use affects our thinking processes (and our ways of solving problems) to a huge degree. Much the same thing happens when you start to think in foreign languages. Even though the languages have the same "communicative ability", your whole "mental map" changes and you think about things in a slightly different way (okay: you think about some things in a different way. Nobody ever gains a new perspective on "milk" when they learn to speak French). Blahblahblah. I have no idea what this has to do with freedom of expression (in fact, I'm perfectly comfortable with the Lotus decision), but I think it's important that people realise how much their choice of a programming language affects the eventual solution. Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Subject: Re: Will NS 3.2 support PCI ? (please :-) Message-ID: <1993Sep23.060802.19701@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN References: <6840@darmstadt.gmd.de> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 06:08:02 GMT NS/I 3.1 works on PCI bus with PCI display card 805 and Adaptec 1542B /C for ISA. My colleague is now testing PCI bus performance and NS/I compatibility. This mother board is preliminary one consisting of Intel ver.2 Saturn chipset and NCR SCSI II chip with 256/512KB write back cache. When test is done, I will post the detail. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fujimasa Kohno, MD.[$B2OLnF#@5(J] Work: Dept.of Cardiology, Kyoto Univ.Hosptl. Email kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp Home: 703 New-Takano-Royal-Hgts, (NeXT Mail Welcome!) 5 Tanaka-Okubo-Cho, Sakyo-Ku, Voice +81-75-702-7203 Kyoto City, 606, JAPAN Fax +81-75-702-6219
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Date: 23 Sep 1993 07:30:47 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <27rjb7$n3m@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <274o80$esp@hermes.athena.com> <1993Sep22.224816.2790@yvax.byu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) writes: >1) Lotus' acquisition of their language does indeed set a dangerous >precedent. All of us could be using an illegal compiler because AT&T >owns the copyright to both the C and C++ languages. Adobe could go >after other companies for making PostScript interpreters. The only >truly safe language would be Xbase, since Dbase lost its day in court. Well, Adobe says it has the Copyright for the "list of operators and the written specification for Adobe's PostScript language." But they specifically "give permission to [...] write software to interpret programs written in the PostScript language [and] copy Adobe's copyrighted list of commands to the extent necessary to use the PostScript language for the above purpose" (as well as for writing programs in it...). This is a change from earlier policy, outlined in the Level 2 reference manual (red book.) Marcel
From: nigrin@lennon.cas.american.edu (Albert Nigrin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: compression of online documentation Date: 22 Sep 1993 19:50:14 GMT Organization: The American University Computing Center Distribution: world Message-ID: <27qa9mINN7ls@au-ns.american.edu> To save space, I have compressed all of the online documentation on my machine. However, I would still like to occasionally refer to that documentation. Is there any way to use the digital librarian to access the compressed files? (I'd like to use the librarian so I can do searches.) If not, what is the best way to access those compressed files on the fly. I'd use Opener.app except that often the documentation for a single section is separated into multiple different files and it is inconvenient to have to uncompress them all. Thanks in advance Al nigrin@american.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hheller@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Helmut Heller) Subject: upgrade to 3.1: problems with links! Message-ID: <hheller.748778856@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Summary: what can i do to upgrade linked files? Keywords: black hardware, upgrade to 3.1, links not upgraded Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 10:07:36 GMT Hello, I was just attempting to upgrade from 3.0 to 3.1 on a NeXTStation turbo (black), but I encountered some problems: i have a small 250MByte internal drive and a 1.2GB external one. The internal drive is the boot drive, but I linked many of the NeXT dirs (/NextApps, /NextLibrary, ...) to the external disk to have more swap space on the internal one. When I tried the upgrade.app it told me that most of the files (namely all those which have been moved to the external disk and linked into root) cannot be updated, because they are linked!! What should I do? Would it help to run the upgrade.app a second time, this time selecting the external disk for upgrade (although it is NOT the book disk and it only has some system directories on it)??? Or do i have to copy all the system files back to to internal (boot) disk and then upgrade and then copy them back to the external disk and link them back to root?? that would be cumbersone!! Any help appreciated, please respond by e-mail to heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de Helmut Heller -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted_________________ FAX: 089/2805-248 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: 089/2394-4565 -------------------------------------------------
From: Robert.Claeson@sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: User.addresses? Date: 23 Sep 1993 10:55:34 GMT Organization: Data General AB, Stockholm, Sweden Distribution: world Message-ID: <27rvb6$46k@dgswe.sweden.dg.com> I've scanned through all the on-line documentation for this but can't seem to find anything on it anywhere. So... What *is* /NextLibrary/Addresses/User.addresses and other files ending with addresses? What is it used for? Do I need to mess with it? Can I create new addresses files? How? Why should I want to do that? Any help would be appreciated. Thank's, Robert -- Robert Claeson, Data General AB, Sweden Email: Robert.Claeson@sweden.dg.com X.400: G=robert; S=claeson; P=data general; A=400net; C=se NeXTmail is accepted and in fact encouraged.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <shwake.748718049@nearside> Organization: IRS A/C (International) References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 17:14:09 GMT barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes: >The release of the brand name is good, but how important is the release of >the interface specification? Doesn't POSIX serve that purpose? If it >doesn't, shouldn't it? In truth, X/Open has long been more comprehensive than SVID, whereas POSIX amounts to much less. Apropos, one consultant who follows the UNIX market rather closely suspects that "POSIX" has helped sell VMS into the government more than it's helped UNIX, as the latter does just fine without it. -- uunet!media!irscscm!nearside!shwake shwake@rsxtech
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <shwake.748717515@nearside> Organization: IRS A/C (International) References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 17:05:15 GMT uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >``The most immediate effect of handing the Unix trademark over to X/Open >would be price cuts in the major versions of Unix such as Sun's Solaris, >IBM's AIX and HP's HP/UX, industry sources said. With royalty-free access to >Unix, vendors would no longer have to pay Novell for the right to use the >Unix name.'' There's a whopping-big difference between having access to the Unix *name* and access to the Unix *code*. If vendors have been paying a separate license fee to use the Unix trademark and that fee disappears, the cost of Unix could come down, but I doubt such a fee - if it exists at all - ever amounted to much. Heck, despite lingering prejudices against Big Bad AT&T actual licensing fees never amounted to much relative to other such technologies. -- uunet!media!irscscm!nearside!shwake shwake@rsxtech
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <1993Sep23.113633.892@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco References: <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> <1993Sep22.103734.5797@antigone.com> <Sep22.214908.101193@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:36:33 GMT : > > Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard awhile : > > back it was nearing completion. : > "After the first of the year". : > -- NeXT upgrade telephone employee, 21 September 1993. : "We have an outside service answering questions who seem to have : gotten confused about the ship date for 3.2. It is scheduled to : ship around the end of October or the first week in November : 1993." : -- NeXTSTEP Project Manager (Paraphrased) : 14 September 1993 "The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, the answer is blowin' in the wind..." -- Not a NeXT user ca. 1967 -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Message-ID: <CDsEyp.22D@infoserv.com> Date: 23 Sep 93 03:28:01 GMT References: <DEAN.93Sep21234457@world.std.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Distribution: na Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <DEAN.93Sep21234457@world.std.com> dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) writes: ** Stuff Deleted ** #fer control immediately to your D: drive. This is a bear, since any time #the system needs to reload command.com, it will do it from the A: (diskette) #drive, which is quite slow. Hope this is some help. Actually if you specify shell = (drive and path of command.com) It will look anyplace you tell it after the initial boot. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Will NS 3.2 support PCI ? (please : -) Message-ID: <1993Sep22.162947.5706@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <6840@darmstadt.gmd.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 16:29:47 GMT NS 3.1 supports PCI, but that does NOT mean that any PCI motherboard will work. Adaptec and ATI have announced SCSI and graphics cards, respectively, for PCI. These should work with NS. When choosing a motherboard, make sure that the vendor will let you test it with NS either before buying it, or refund your money afterward if it doesn't work. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Flat panel display device Message-ID: <Sep23.155021.35290@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 15:50:21 GMT References: <1993Sep22.134345.1265@lkba.uucp> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > A few weeks ago I saw that some company was demoing a flat > panel display at a NeXT user's group meeting (SCaN maybe?). > > Did this demo happen? I don't know about SCaN, but we've been using an LCD overhead projection system at the Calgary NeXTSTEP User's Group for a few months now. > What company made the panel? It's an InFocus 7600WS > What were the display resolution limits? It seems to display about 960 x 768, and you can scroll that virtual area around the actual screen manually. > Was it multi-syncing? Yes. We've used it with real live black hardware as well as white at resolutions of 640 x 480, 1024 x 768 and 1120 x 832. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:56:37 PDT Message-ID: <1993Sep23.185637.4492@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: User.addresses? References: <27rvb6$46k@dgswe.sweden.dg.com> Robert.Claeson@sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) writes: > What *is* /NextLibrary/Addresses/User.addresses and other files ending with > addresses? What is it used for? Do I need to mess with it? Can I create new > addresses files? How? Why should I want to do that? Double-clicking will bring up a sort of specialized workspace view which displays names and group instead of files and folders. These have content inspectors which allow you to keep an address book. The icons follow the standard move/copy paradigm. DANGER: I've had some problems trashing names when trying to link them to group entries. It's a neat start, but it's not clear to me where it goes. Is the Workspace extensible so I can create my own hierarchical concepts and manipulate them with a browser/inspector paradigm? Is there a protocol to allow me to reference the address book from Fax programs or word processors? I don't know. Hope this helps (and maybe someone else can post more) Peter --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com Subject: ***HSD Offering Scanners Again--Very Competive Prices*** Message-ID: <CDto43.1wv@hsd.com> Sender: usenet@hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer, U.S., Inc. Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:43:14 GMT HSD IS IS BACK IN THE SCANNER BUSINESS IN A BIG WAY!!! HSD is again offering a complete line of professional desktop scanners, accessories and software for NeXT computers or PCs running NeXTSTEP, all at very competitive prices. All scanners are shipped with HSD's PowerScan Professional software bundle which includes PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax and all necessary cables for connecting to your computer. Each scanner has a one-year warranty. To kick things off, we are offering great prices on the following models: Model Type Resolution Software Sale Price Umax UC630 24-bit Color Up to 2400 dpi PowerScan Pro $1195 Umax Grayscale 8-bit Grayscale Up to 2400 dpi PowerScan Pro $895 **Buy any scanner and get OCR Servant for $99 (retail $295).** These prices are good through the end of September. We are also offering many other scanner models, all bundled with PowerScan Professional, as well as a complete line of innovative applications and utilities for NeXTSTEP. Educational, Corporate and Government prices are available, and I invite you all to contact me directly if you have any questions would like to receive additional information about the entire family of HSD products for NeXTSTEP. Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc. Ph. (408) 774-1400 Fax (408) 774-1402 Email: dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung) Subject: Just another stupid idea Message-ID: <1993Sep23.190931.19159@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:09:31 GMT Hi All. I just had a wild thought today. It has been discussed before, when everybody thought that NeXT was going to go out of business, that NeXT give source code to the FSF. I was just thinking that NeXT could indeed release the 3.0 source code for NeXT computers. Since there will never be any more black hardware, and new ports are being made to other platforms, NeXT will stay one step ahead commercially with their ports and new versions. GNUStep would probably take a different path anyway. Of course, th ere is a big risk involved, because NeXT could put themselves out of business by doing this, but then again, NeXTSTEP could become the de facto GNU interface. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Kenny Leung University of Alberta kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca Ph: 403-492-9343 Fax: 403-492-1729 h their ports and new versions. GNUStep would probably take a different path anyway. Of course, th
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2> <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep21.172219.2762@yvax.byu.edu> Sender: news@interaccess.com (Usenet News) Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet service provider. Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 15:08:48 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep23.150848.329@interaccess.com> In article <1993Sep21.172219.2762@yvax.byu.edu>, Sean Luke <sean@digaudio.byu.edu> wrote: >In article <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> >matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > >> You can already buy R4000-based PC servers. They run Windows NT. With a lot >> of people moving from Windows to NT, R4000 machines, which have a better >> price/performance ratio that Pentium-based ones, will become more pervasive. >> It would be shortsighted for NeXT not to consider the chip one of "the waves >> of the future". > >Sadly, I am afraid this is the case. Just as SGI considers NeXTSTEP >a software lightweight, NeXT considers (with somewhat good cause) >the R4000 not a major chip contender. Market droids can sometimes >miss obvious advantages of a product, concentrating instead on sheer >volume. > >My kinda-informed prediction for emerging NeXTSTEP platforms in the >near future (in order): > >1 HP PA/RISC (definitely coming) We all know this, it's going to be on-time also. >2 SPARC (known to be in the works) NeXT vehemently opposed a SPARC port around three months ago arguing that it was doubtful that Sun would help them. With such strong hardware competition around at the moment, if I were Sun I would grasp at the opportunity to have NEXTSTEP put on the machine. If they don't, HP and NeXT will look up the hardware and software market respectively for financial institutional systems. >3 POWERPC (widely rumored--but just rumored) Everyone seems to be clamoring after this one. How about RS6000, or MIPS? Brian. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Image Art "No problems... Only Solutions" Brian Leake phyd@interaccess.com _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? References: <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Sender: news@interaccess.com (Usenet News) Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet service provider. Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 15:11:12 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep23.151112.397@interaccess.com> In article <27o836$pm9@ursula.ee.pdx.edu>, Marcus Daniels <marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> wrote: >The end of September is rapidly approaching, wouldn't it would be nice to >hear something definitive about whether there will be a discount for >3.2 eval kit owners? > >Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard awhile back it >was nearing completion. > >marcus Early Q4. Eval kit owners were told quite clearly it was not upgradable. It's really not fair to start moaning at NeXT for an upgrade or discount. If you like it, then buy it. This is ONLY thing (apart from training) that NeXT makes money from now. One can but just hope. Brian. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Image Art "No problems... Only Solutions" Brian Leake phyd@interaccess.com _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tom@cse.fau.edu (Tom Horton) Subject: laser printer smears Message-ID: <1993Sep23.195902.28273@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Sender: news@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:59:02 GMT Hello. I've managed to gum up my NeXT laser printer at home by using overhead transparencies that were not designed for laser printers. (It seems my secretary gave me the wrong box one day, and I didn't see that it was happening until after printing a complete set of overheads.) It appears that there is toner (or something) on a roller, because every sheet that comes through the printer now has a dark smudge that appears to be caused by a "dirty" roller. How does one fix this? Is it something I can do myself or do I have to get the printer serviced? (As you can probably tell, I'm not that experienced in understanding or fixing printers.) Thanks in advance. I prefer if you send e-mail, since our news reader has a short expiration time right now. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Thomas B. Horton, Assistant Professor Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering, Florida Atlantic University Boca Raton, FL 33431 USA Phone: 407/367-2674 FAX: 407/367-2800 Internet: tom@cse.fau.edu Bitnet: HortonT@fauvax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric@cs.sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk) Subject: Digital Librarian via ttys Message-ID: <1993Sep23.210250.10478@cs.sfu.ca> Sender: news@cs.sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 21:02:50 GMT Does anyone know how to access NeXTSTEP online documentation via tty interfaces, in particular someone calling in via a modem? We have a student trying learn Mach in an operating systems course who is sort of home-bound because of her wheel-chair. Please e-mail answers to me at eric@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <CDtHps.CFr@telly.on.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 17:24:49 GMT References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto In article <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes: >The release of the brand name is good, but how important is the release of >the interface specification? Doesn't POSIX serve that purpose? If it >doesn't, shouldn't it? There's been a big gap between POSIX's limited spec and X/Open's all-encompassing one. The one under discussion, I believe, is the (formerly USL) System V definition known as SVID. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504 If there's someone you can live without .... then do so - The Barenaked Ladies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers From: tmeyer@black_stone_ranger (Tom Meyer) Subject: Mitec Monitors Message-ID: <1993Sep23.220644.2451@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:06:44 GMT Has anyone out there had experience with 'Mitac' monitors?? Good, bad or otherwise, please e-mail me! I'm considering it for my soon-to-be purchased NeXTStep pc. Should I pay a little extra for a Sony or NEC ? thanks, Tom Meyer Swiss Bank Corporation -- #include "disclaimer.h" /* tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com */
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Can't install NSI 3.1 on pc-clone Message-ID: <149171@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 23 Sep 93 18:12:40 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, I am trying (so far unsuccesfully) to install NSI 3.1 on my pc-clone. All the components of my system are listed in the hardware compatability guide: ISA brand Motherboard w/ ATI BIOS Adaptec 1542b NEC Intersect SCSI CDROM drive I can reliably get to the Software Installation Window (where it gives a list of languages and what-not that can be checked off for installation), but the system invariably crashes at some point after the installation has begun (though never in the same place twice). The system either hangs or reboots. NeXTAnswers says that NSI 3.1 does not officially support the floppy drive controller integrated onto the adaptec 1542b-- could this be my problem? If I can't use the integrated floppy controller on the 1542b, what CAN i use to controll the floppies? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Can't install NSI 3.1 on my pc-clone Message-ID: <149172@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 23 Sep 93 18:15:54 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, I am trying (so far unsuccesfully) to install NSI 3.1 on my pc-clone. All the components of my system are listed in the hardware compatability guide: ISA brand Motherboard w/ ATI BIOS Adaptec 1542b NEC Intersect SCSI CDROM drive I can reliably get to the Software Installation Window (where it gives a list of languages and what-not that can be checked off for installation), but the system invariably crashes at some point after the installation has begun (though never in the same place twice). The system either hangs or reboots. NeXTAnswers says that NSI 3.1 does not officially support the floppy drive controller integrated onto the adaptec 1542b-- could this be my problem? If I can't use the integrated floppy controller on the 1542b, what CAN i use to controll the floppies? Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Printer bug in 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Sep23.205713.61137@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: 23 Sep 93 20:57:13 GMT Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Organization: Colorado School of Mines I have found a bug in the printer driver for NeXT Printers under NeXTSTEP_3.1 (NeXT Machines) version. The problem that you see is that bitmapped graphics are stretched and truncated on the right edge, or have discontinuities running the length of the long axis of the plot. The problem appears when the long axis of the plot, as measured in pixels, is oriented in same direction as the long axis direction of the paper. Thus the problem can be seen either in landscape mode or portrait mode, depending on the plot. I have confirmed with NeXT that this is a bona fide bug. They say that it is fixed in OS 3.2. Their suggestion: 1) downgrade printer servers to 3.0 2) wait for 3.2, which is due to be released sometime between now and December. They don't have a workaround. :-( Hope this helps. John Stockwell Center for Wave Phenomena Colorado School of Mines Golden, CO 80401 john@dix.mines.colorado.edu
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mailing list for developing a WarGame Kit Date: 24 Sep 1993 02:01:12 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <27tkd8INNimi@gap.caltech.edu> Well, I got enough response to my query earlier this week to inspire me to set up a mailing list for people interested in developing NeXT-based wargames. Portions of the charter are below. To join us, send mail to war-request@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu - Ernie P., WarMaster -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h> ============================================ This is [part of] the charter of the WarKit Development Group. 1. The WarKit Development Group (referred to as 'the Group') is a mailing list and discussion group for the purpose of developing an object-oriented kit for writing wargames. 2. The Group consists of anybody who is on the list: war@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu or contributes ideas or code to the Group. To be added to/removed from the list, contact war-request@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu. 3. Any code, algorithms, or other results of the Group will be distributed freely under a license to be determined later (probably the same as Don Yacktman's MiscKit - public domain or nearly so). 4. All development efforts will assume the existence of NeXTSTEP 3.1. 5. This is a low-commitment, low-intensity group. We are doing this because it is fun to talk/dream about, not because we expect a finished product anytime soon. People are welcome to contribute as little or as much as they like.
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mailing list for WarGame development Date: 24 Sep 1993 02:03:01 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <27tkglINNimn@gap.caltech.edu> Well, I got enough response to my query earlier this week to inspire me to set up a mailing list for people interested in developing NeXT-based wargames. Portions of the charter are below. To join us, send mail to war-request@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu - Ernie P., WarMaster ============================================ This is [part of] the charter of the WarKit Development Group. 1. The WarKit Development Group (referred to as 'the Group') is a mailing list and discussion group for the purpose of developing an object-oriented kit for writing wargames. 2. The Group consists of anybody who is on the list: war@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu or contributes ideas or code to the Group. To be added to/removed from the list, contact war-request@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu. 3. Any code, algorithms, or other results of the Group will be distributed freely under a license to be determined later (probably the same as Don Yacktman's MiscKit - public domain or nearly so). 4. All development efforts will assume the existence of NeXTSTEP 3.1. 5. This is a low-commitment, low-intensity group. We are doing this because it is fun to talk/dream about, not because we expect a finished product anytime soon. People are welcome to contribute as little or as much as they like. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Message-ID: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:56:30 GMT Those Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 things... :) On my NS/FIP system, with 1024x768 resolution, in the workspace, the icon dock on the right-hand side isn't *quite* on the right-hand edge of the screen. There's a little gap, about 4 pixels or so, between the right edge of the icons and the edge of the screen. Does this just happen on intel systems, or is the workspace made this way? Is there any way of getting rid of this little gap? David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Message-ID: <1993Sep24.043243.7887@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 04:32:43 GMT David Bau writes > Those Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 things... :) > > On my NS/FIP system, with 1024x768 resolution, in the workspace, > the icon dock on the right-hand side isn't *quite* on the > right-hand edge of the screen. There's a little gap, about 4 > pixels or so, between the right edge of the icons and the edge > of the screen. Does this just happen on intel systems, or is > the workspace made this way? Is there any way of getting rid of > this little gap? Its made that way, so that you can see any windows that you push below the dock. I vaguely remember reading that there's a dwrite somewhere to get rid of it by changing the dock's position. But maybe its just my memory playing tricks on me in my old age. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital audio interface to DSP Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 02:57:41 -0400 Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ggcddZe00iUyEFiwRu@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi! I am curious whether anyone would be interested in purchasing a device to convert digital audio from a CD player's digital outputs to the NeXT's DSP format, for recording through the DSP port. This would allow you to record digital audio from a CD player or DAT deck, at any sampling rate from 32 to 50kHz. The basic concept would be a little box with a cable to the DSP port and a jack for a fiber optic or coaxial digital cable. The cost would be somewhere around $100. I'm not sure if such a device already exists commercially. I've just worked out the design for this and am in the initial stages of prototyping it. It is based on the Crystal Semiconductor CS8412. This was initially intended as just for my own use, but I realized that other people might be interested in it as well. By the way, if anyone has questions on the 8412 or the other chips in that family (the 8401, 8402, and 8411), I have done quite a bit of research into them and related stuff, so I can try to answer such questions. Anyway, I'm basically doing a feasability study for this idea. If I get at least ten people interested, I'll probably start building these in a month or two. Also, if anyone would prefer to build it themselves, I'd be happy to send a schematic and parts list; this is not some big commercial venture, but I thought it would be convenient for many people to buy such a device preassembled. 1. Would you be interested in buying one of these at the $100 price point? (All necessary hardware would be included except the digital audio cable, be it coax or optical.) Somewhat over half this price is parts, and the remainder would pay for my time in assembling it. 2. Would you want to use a coax input, optical input, or both? I might make them all with both, or I might make two models, one with optical and one with coax. The optical would probably be slightly more expensive. 3. Would you be interested in a "bag o' parts" including everything you would need to build this device, and my schematics, and some very rudimentary instructions, for about $70? 4. Would you be interested in just the schematics, parts list, and basic instructions, for just the cost of postage, or free over the net? Please note that some of these parts are rather difficult to obtain. Also, naturally, I cannot provide this until the prototype is built, tested, and working! Please feel free to provide any relevant feedback. -- Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <CDt6r8.BEF@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <1993Sep22.224816.2790@yvax.byu.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:28:19 GMT In article <1993Sep22.224816.2790@yvax.byu.edu> writes: > 2) I have to disagree with your take on the judgement as violating > your > freedom of expression, because the only thing computer languages and > natural language have in common in that they both use the word > "language". A natural > language is a method of expression. A computer language describes a > process > by which some action is carried out. The decision does not prevent us > from > writing our action down using this process, only in performing the > action > using the process. In other words, it doesn't prevent writing 1-2-3 > programs, only in interpreting them. > > Processes can be patented quite nicely. Likewise,the BNF of a language > (which is essentially the process by which programs written in that > language are carried out) can be patentable. > . . . > __________________________________________________________________ > > Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows > Brigham Young University > sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) > __________________________________________________________________ I think an important distinction needs to be made here. Computer Languages do not express a process, that is, they do not express an algorithm, unless you wish to say that they (inherently) describe a process by which an algorithm may be expressed. It seems to me that this is analogous to saying that english inherently describes a process by which (some) ideas may be expressed. This would seem to be best captured, in both cases, by the concept of grammar, and a notion of expressive power. BNF, of course, is a way to specify a grammar. A computer language, until it is used by someone, does not itself express any algorithm explicitly. That is what programmers do. A programming language is the primary means by which a programmer expresses his or her ideas. Thus, I think one might frame the debate better by noting that it is a grammar and system of expression for which protection is being sought, and then asking what the resolution should be when this comes into conflict with the needs of people to express their ideas. Could one copyright or patent a natural language ? Having learned this language, what are my responsibilities, if any, to the holders of the patent or copyright ? Have they surrendered any of their rights to the language by permitting it to be published freely (if this is the case) and thus allowing me to learn the language ? What if I merely inferred the language by looking at examples, a sort of "clean room" approach ? I think there are some interesting questions to be resolved here. In practical terms, I think it would be an extremely detrimental precedent if the ruling is allowed to stand. -- -Michael
From: madon@disuns2.epfl.ch (Dominik Madon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Date: 24 Sep 1993 08:34:40 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Message-ID: <27ubf0$h6u@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <1993Sep23.054650.19240@csus.edu> Eric P. Scott (eps@futon.SFSU.EDU) wrote: : We paid US$350 for a copy received in late July. That may have : been a special price--I don't know. This copy was for Intel or Motorola (or both)? Our lab is looking for an evaluation version for Intel processor. The third party book in the NS package indicates a release FIP in december. But there isn't any email address inside. Did anybody knows Parkplace's email ? We are using currently VisualWorks on Sparcs and PCs. It's a very good product. Dominik ---------------------------------------------------------- madon@eig.unige.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: donea@dylan (Andrew Done) Subject: Re: Anybody Home ? Message-ID: <1993Sep24.085524.5861@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <1993Sep21.160106.26946@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 08:55:24 GMT In article <1993Sep21.160106.26946@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Michael Branton writes > > It seems possible that my posts are no longer making it to the > > outside world ! If you read this, please send me some e-mail: > > There's a newsgroup for this very purpose: alt.test. Post some > random message there, and you'll (1) see if it appears in the > newsgroup and (2) automatically receive mail from a variety of sites > around the net indicating your test posting has propagated there. > > -- > - > Stefano Pagiola > Food Research Institute, Stanford University > spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) > spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) Just Testing.... (My nntp server doesn't subscripe to alt.test.... sorry!) Andrew Done Strategic Projects Swiss Bank Corporation donea@dnxts01.swissbank.com (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <1993Sep24.000757.3643@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <1993Sep22.172127.6855@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 00:07:57 GMT Last I heard, 3.2 was unbundled from SoftPC so that they could both make it to market ASAP. I also heard that 3.2 will not have a pre-release program. Lastly, I heard November :) Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <1993Sep24.105442.15911@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Sep24.000757.3643@biztech.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 10:54:42 GMT Ken Anderson writes > Last I heard, 3.2 was unbundled from SoftPC so that they could > make it to market ASAP. I also heard that 3.2 will not have > a pre-release program. Lastly, I heard November :) Who is "they" in the first sentence? SoftPC or NS 3.2? ie is SoftPC late, and NS 3.2 will ship without it (Bad), or is SoftPC early and will ship ASAP without waiting for NS3.2 (Good). Enquiring minds want to know! -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <1993Sep24.144016.583@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale Physics Department References: <1993Sep24.000757.3643@biztech.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 14:40:16 GMT In article <1993Sep24.000757.3643@biztech.com> anderson (Ken Anderson) writes: > Last I heard, 3.2 was unbundled from SoftPC so that they could both make > it to market ASAP. I also heard that 3.2 will not have a pre-release > program. Lastly, I heard November :) > > Ken Anderson > anderson@biztech.com > Stamford, CT Wrong, and wrong. According to what we heard just last night from a NeXT representative at the Elm City NeXT Users Group meeting, 3.2 should be shipped some time in early October (i.e. just a couple of weeks). A demo version SoftPC will be included, but it will only work on white hardware. SoftPC will work some period of time (30 or 60 days, I can't remember the exact figure), and then you'll have to fork over cash to get a real version. They showed us the demo version of SoftPC. It reminded me how bad 486 software really is (not SoftPC, the stuff running on it). -- Jim Horne jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu "We Americans, we're a simple people... but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities." -- Robin Williams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help! my computer is dying or dead Message-ID: <1993Sep24.063712.6692@nic.csu.net> From: sulistio@futon.SFSU.EDU () Date: 24 Sep 93 06:37:11 PDT Distribution: world Organization: San Francisco State University Hi, I have a NeXTstation Monochrome. Recently it started to power off by himself. I have no idea what's going on. Last night when I powered it on, it display the hardware test, and then turned off by himself. Any idea??? Thanks -- Mul | Alt. address: sulistio@chop.isca.uiowa.edu sulistio@futon.sfsu.edu | NeXTmail -> sarong!sulistio@cs.sfsu.edu #include "std/disclaimer.h" | >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Search Results in Librarian-Bug or Feature? Date: 24 Sep 1993 14:36:59 GMT Organization: University of Florida Message-ID: <27v0mbINN8e5@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, Well, I just found an annoying feature in Librarian. I hope that there is a way to fix this. It used to be that when Librarian displayed the results of a search it would print the file name and the first line of each file in which the word was found. However, I just searched for a word using Librarian in NS3.1 and all it told me was the names of the files. Now these files come from NewsGrazer and so have names like csn_misc.15435. I have no way other than opening each and every file to know if that one has the info I want. Is there a way around this? Please someone say yes. Thank you in advance. -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
From: dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu (David Schuetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trackball & Old Keyboard Date: 24 Sep 1993 15:41:55 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <27v4g3$ktf@umd5.umd.edu> I recently picked up a trackball at my local Comp USA for $10 (no box, no cables, "as-is," etc. Didn't have the "Defective" box checked, though...). Anyway, I was hoping that I could figure out how to get it to work with my NeXT (Keyboard Mark II--not ADB, with the L-shaped return key). I'd seen a posting long ago about using a Logitech bus trackball, but this doesn't seem to be quite the same. * It's a "Kensignton Expert Mouse", and the PC board says "Version 2.0a." * It has two 8-pin round connectors, which exactly fit a Mac printer (serial?) cable (which in turn exactly fits in the NeXT Mouse port on the keyboard). * It has a covered 6-pole DIP switch That's all I know. If anyone has *any* ideas how to get this damned thing to work, I'd really REALLY love to hear from you! Hell, I don't even know what kind of trackball this is--PS/2, bus, serial, etc. I'm assuming it's a serial mouse, but what's the DIP switch for? Maybe, just *maybe*, that can convert it to a "bus mouse," in which case I just need to fix up the cable. If you can answer any of the following questions, please send me email at dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu What kind of mouse (trackball) is it? (PS/2, serial, bus, etc.?) What's the pinout of the connectors? What's the pinout of the NeXT Mouse? What are the dip switches for? Thanks muchly!!! david. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trackball & Old Keyboard Summary: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Keywords: Cc: I recently picked up a trackball at my local Comp USA for $10 (no box, no cables, "as-is," etc. Didn't have the "Defective" box checked, though...). Anyway, I was hoping that I could figure out how to get it to work with my NeXT (Keyboard Mark II--not ADB, with the L-shaped return key). I'd seen a posting long ago about using a Logitech bus trackball, but this doesn't seem to be quite the same. * It's a "Kensignton Expert Mouse", and the PC board says "Version 2.0a." * It has two 8-pin round connectors, which exactly fit a Mac printer (serial?) cable (which in turn exactly fits in the NeXT Mouse port on the keyboard). * It has a covered 6-pole DIP switch That's all I know. If anyone has *any* ideas how to get this damned thing to work, I'd really REALLY love to hear from you! Hell, I don't even know what kind of trackball this is--PS/2, bus, serial, etc. I'm assuming it's a serial mouse, but what's the DIP switch for? Maybe, just *maybe*, that can convert it to a "bus mouse," in which case I just need to fix up the cable. If you can answer any of the following questions, please send me email at dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu What kind of mouse (trackball) is it? (PS/2, serial, bus, etc.?) What's the pinout of the connectors? What's the pinout of the NeXT Mouse? What are the dip switches for? Thanks muchly!!! david. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trackball & Old Keyboard Summary: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Keywords: Cc: I recently picked up a trackball at my local Comp USA for $10 (no box, no cables, "as-is," etc. Didn't have the "Defective" box checked, though...). Anyway, I was hoping that I could figure out how to get it to work with my NeXT (Keyboard Mark II--not ADB, with the L-shaped return key). I'd seen a posting long ago about using a Logitech bus trackball, but this doesn't seem to be quite the same. * It's a "Kensignton Expert Mouse", and the PC board says "Version 2.0a." * It has two 8-pin round connectors, which exactly fit a Mac printer (serial?) cable (which in turn exactly fits in the NeXT Mouse port on the keyboard). * It has a covered 6-pole DIP switch That's all I know. If anyone has *any* ideas how to get this damned thing to work, I'd really REALLY love to hear from you! Hell, I don't even know what kind of trackball this is--PS/2, bus, serial, etc. I'm assuming it's a serial mouse, but what's the DIP switch for? Maybe, just *maybe*, that can convert it to a "bus mouse," in which case I just need to fix up the cable. If you can answer any of the following questions, please send me email at dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu What kind of mouse (trackball) is it? (PS/2, serial, bus, etc.?) What's the pinout of the connectors? What's the pinout of the NeXT Mouse? What are the dip switches for? Thanks muchly!!! david. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trackball & Old Keyboard Summary: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Keywords: Cc: I recently picked up a trackball at my local Comp USA for $10 (no box, no cables, "as-is," etc. Didn't have the "Defective" box checked, though...). Anyway, I was hoping that I could figure out how to get it to work with my NeXT (Keyboard Mark II--not ADB, with the L-shaped return key). I'd seen a posting long ago about using a Logitech bus trackball, but this doesn't seem to be quite the same. * It's a "Kensignton Expert Mouse", and the PC board says "Version 2.0a." * It has two 8-pin round connectors, which exactly fit a Mac printer (serial?) cable (which in turn exactly fits in the NeXT Mouse port on the keyboard). * It has a covered 6-pole DIP switch That's all I know. If anyone has *any* ideas how to get this damned thing to work, I'd really REALLY love to hear from you! Hell, I don't even know what kind of trackball this is--PS/2, bus, serial, etc. I'm assuming it's a serial mouse, but what's the DIP switch for? Maybe, just *maybe*, that can convert it to a "bus mouse," in which case I just need to fix up the cable. If you can answer any of the following questions, please send me email at dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu What kind of mouse (trackball) is it? (PS/2, serial, bus, etc.?) What's the pinout of the connectors? What's the pinout of the NeXT Mouse? What are the dip switches for? Thanks muchly!!! david.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: URGENT Phonekit help needed for $$ Date: 24 Sep 1993 14:14:10 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <27uvbiINN605@clem.handheld.com> We need someone who can RAPIDLY provide a way for a black NeXT to answer a phone call, perhaps take a few touch tone keys, give a canned voice response and speak the time and date and also play a short stored .snd file to the caller. We will pay, but time is of the essence. We can retrograde a NeXT back to 3.0 so Phone kit is available, but we do not have the Hayes interface, so we are in the market for that, too. Jim jmd@cube.handheld.com 804.784.3090
From: Eric_Chu@NeXT.COM (Eric Chu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Date: 24 Sep 1993 11:09:00 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> begin 666 .tar.589.NEXTSTEP_3_2_Shippin_.attach M'YV0:=R0*8/'A1PZ9@`H7,BPH<.'$"-*G$BQ(HB+-FS0``'@XHP8,FIPO$@2 MQDB2)#_.V`BB!HT:,&S$J&&C1@R2-6[,L-&QHL^?0(,*'4JTJ-&C2),J7<J4 MZ1XN!\W`X!+&S9PT3\V\<4.'CA@V7*2&G7,GS9PY()"486.G#)TT8\+LZ*.` M2YLP<LZP`0FC[MV\<O@J>#KF#9LW![_N@%J&#(X:7,[(*5/&S=2O=<K`F%L7 M#EXR7.C@J3%C1F@\,6+>.!W#!HP8IV7$F`%9M(R,.$[/D`%#AFZ=-D[3D'%C MJF@:.&"8%DUZQFJQ8KBDF5J'C9NM9<;*H!%VS-0Q4D%P48`D#8OQXSM_/EV# M-^N8QE&[CB_;O>V,\7?#R'_#/I[AK@F77'RDN6>&=UR`9U(3>8#@1AAME`&" M62`4(0=<(`R!1AT@5$4&"$F<T`8(=*`A(1QRO$%&'6/0`<)=#YY1AAP@:$6C M$T5@0<445!0!!0A2K%5&&'-(.(,+,KAP48AM@2`&96Z`4&09`9W1(0B'N?B& M&2"08=88=9R5QE8@D%FBA&ZX!4)A;HPQHQM5DFBBE&BD`4>78=`AX99`"DFD MD4@J"2((=U3E(AUO=&D6'&MUZ$:#`14FQV0M@B!''6T@AE:)>4[HXAU;G>#B MDQW:$48:;(3QE81U<(6J@P2YF,>0<@@:)!M#%@G"D3),B):9>,EX:*)SU'EG M0')*:$8:<LSQ*65KE,FE$V^TU<:3-'I(J(0E!A1M&I^BRH:3>Z8I;;+D.@L" MCCKRZ",(=4D61AZI374@;.#=)$>\<LQK+X(*@N!GD?S.6V]W^)IQTQP%Y_'O M=^$Y^F%9);Y1AXMA=&FQ&(?.^:2ZNSD)+@A/3&'IP-S6B=:L>`D*`A5H5+4& M6C:"D(?%-++YEAN9-7SPO0DJW&7##P=MDI1UP`$'8G0HJ9X<H(EF@W\@T1!? M##@$:!MR^1TLFG/^T;!2?#3DD!Q[\YTVM7MBV#N'#+D="+%)Z7'A&=3L40T? M:VG;QE=L^.G&&W]AWT;V@.SIQT5T9KS-G=Q&BU>7`D*4H6Y9Q5I^G@(68JAA M'>.5,<:&0*2)1].%M8'>Y%^`T/KKKL<.^^RRUS[[ZD8@5BC4C;UH^1QAR%BC M88?=,8<.N*?8A@XOIG@6$(:F<09V+J0^WA1UB*&&Z'0P'R3SO(+PP_@_C/=$ M7E6EH4>>8[K!?!"N3F\N%).=!<(9>991:!XL@#!%52`P0K_:]*4WK*X)>`$3 M6HB0OK6@!05_42`0ZM"LZH3!!91Q`1S(4)#&U"$%A$J1GI`WN?<]"CL@,-%G M.B0&BWW*1%$*7UG8,"Y2%<M.<*C2#Y:40EJ!1@',"\,=ZH0K)X5A#-_Z%)%@ MA9<XI0X.N'K+5ERP.A$$P0QZHM&9:L0L=?%IBRR3@PBHJ`"2M*`%ZRJ#CD"0 M-'D-A$1"@@,:4%B&-D#Q#;,J0_]DX[\RP$%/UYH1"&*0@QP<:75G'$\3X!*S M1DGA#6<9#_S>(C\)T>]W_?M?E`18E3$4L']#"`,;TF`C.(4A="VX"ZJ8UP;G MS0%Z\:.>]11@A"!@@7DKN`D-9@("L=UD)S!977KHTI1B&O.8R$RF,I?)S&8Z J\YG0C*8TITG-:EKSFMC,IC:WR<UN>O.;X`RG.,=)SG*:\YSH3*<ZUPD4 ` end
From: strauss@aero.org (Daryll Strauss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Date: 24 Sep 1993 16:43:57 GMT Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <27v84d$rd1@news.aero.org> References: <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> In article <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> Eric_Chu@NeXT.COM (Eric Chu) writes: > ... > end A translation for people who didn't decode it themselves: Hi, My name is Eric Chu and I'm the product manager for NEXTSTEP Release 3.2. I've been seeing a lot of discussion on the net concerning the ship date of Release 3.2. I want to dispel any incorrect rumors that it won't be available until next year. Release 3.2 is on target to ship in the first week of November and we think it will be one of the best NEXTSTEP releases and without a doubt the best 32 bit OS release this year. Thanks for your continued support. Best wishes, Eric Chu echu@next.com _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Forwarded message follows: From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Marcus Daniels (marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard : awhile back it was nearing completion. "After the first of the year". -- NeXT upgrade telephone employee, 21 September 1993. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: patrick@wbar.uta.edu (Patrick Phillips) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <1993Sep24.164131.29506@news.uta.edu> Sender: news@news.uta.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Texas at Arlington References: <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 16:41:31 GMT In case any of you had trouble reading this. Here is the decoded version: -------- Hi, My name is Eric Chu and I'm the product manager for NEXTSTEP Release 3.2. I've been seeing a lot of discussion on the net concerning the ship date of Release 3.2. I want to dispel any incorrect rumors that it won't be available until next year. Release 3.2 is on target to ship in the first week of November and we think it will be one of the best NEXTSTEP releases and without a doubt the best 32 bit OS release this year. Thanks for your continued support. Best wishes, Eric Chu echu@next.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: messner@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (David Messner) Subject: Window server -- how to set up? Classroom network. Message-ID: <CDv3M7.BE@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: U.Va. Internet Public Access Project Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 14:15:43 GMT The community college which I attend is fortunate to have a physics lab with five NeXT Stations set up and networked. The problem is that none of the faculty have a clue on how to utilize them. Currently, I have taken charge of the mission to do so. (Sadly, the most common question asked of me is 'can it run DOS apps?') I think one of the best ways to use them is to do demonstrations. If the server could export windows to be displayed on the other four (which are dispersed throughout the lab), it would be an excellent way to show how to use software, etc. I seem to remember some mention of the NeXT having this capability, but I don't know where to begin. If anyone has set up such a window server, answers to the following questions would be much apprec: 1. Do I need to attain extra software to do so? If so, is it available on the Internet? 2. Can only one portion of the screen be exported over the Net? i.e. one window? 3. When such a system is in place is there a major delay in seeing the images on the clients? 4. Where can I find more info on setting up a window server? Any help would be much appreciated by myself as well as the clueless faculty members I am trying to assist. David Messner Piedmont VA Comm Coll, Charlottesville VA internet: messner@hopper.acs.virginia.edu
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Date: 24 Sep 1993 18:05:23 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <27vct3$4nf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep21.172219.2762@yvax.byu.edu> <1993Sep23.150848.329@interaccess.com> In article <1993Sep23.150848.329@interaccess.com> phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) writes: >NeXT vehemently opposed a SPARC port around three months ago arguing that >it was doubtful that Sun would help them. With such strong hardware >competition around at the moment, if I were Sun I would grasp at the >opportunity to have NEXTSTEP put on the machine. If they don't, HP >and NeXT will look up the hardware and software market respectively for >financial institutional systems. It's funny how easily information gets distorted on the internet! NeXT did NOT vehemently oppose a SPARC port. They vehemently opposed a BUYOUT offer by Sun Microsystems that would inherently lead to a SPARC port. NeXT is not so stupid as to believe that having their software run on yet another platform would be BAD. The only thing that would prevent them from doing a port is that they are probably already too busy trying to improve the Intel port, while getting the HP port out the door by June. Sorry to clutter the sgi newsgroup with this one, but I wanted to clear up the common misconception. Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tyler@vanguard.com (Tyler Gingrich) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <1993Sep24.180618.9436@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 18:06:18 GMT Eric Chu writes the following [..unpacked and converted to ASCII..]: Hi, My name is Eric Chu and I'm the product manager for NEXTSTEP Release 3.2. I've been seeing a lot of discussion on the net concerning the ship date of Release 3.2. I want to dispel any incorrect rumors that it won't be available until next year. Release 3.2 is on target to ship in the first week of November and we think it will be one of the best NEXTSTEP releases and without a doubt the best 32 bit OS release this year. Thanks for your continued support. Best wishes, Eric Chu echu@next.com _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Forwarded message follows: From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Marcus Daniels (marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard : awhile back it was nearing completion. "After the first of the year". -- NeXT upgrade telephone employee, 21 September 1993. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650 ----------- CUT HERE ----------- Tyler Gingrich Vanguard Software, Corp. DISCLAIMER: My opinions only.
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mailing list for WarGame development Date: 24 Sep 1993 18:13:02 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <27vdbeINN2vg@gap.caltech.edu> References: <27tkglINNimn@gap.caltech.edu> Whoops, my poster choked, so I resent it, sorry about that. Thanks to all of you who replied. We have over twenty people already, which is more than I had expected. There seems to be a lot of NeXT people who are into plotting devious strategy, trouncing their foes, and experiencing the terror of overwhelming opposition. But enough about comp.sys.next.advocacy... I suspect requests will be trickling in for today and the rest of the weekend, so I'll try not to do anything new until Monday. I plan to: - post a welcome message later today [Friday, US Pacific Time] - repost the charter on Monday If you have sent me a subscription request, but do not get these messages, let me know. I think our sysadmin has fixed all of our mailer problems, but I could be wrong. For some reason (philosophical?), our Caltech subnet sometimes won't send to '.com' or 'mit.edu'... Also, if your default mailing address does not correspond to the machine you usually are logged in to, it might help to subscribe under your actual hostname, so our archive knows where to expect you from. Thanks for your interest, and apologies to the 99% of the net who could care less. But hey, this might be the 'Killer App' NeXT has been waiting for! :-) - Ernie P. WarMaster :-) -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: Eric_Chu@NeXT.COM (Eric Chu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date - In ACSII Date: 24 Sep 1993 14:08:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9309241908.AA06427@oz.NeXT.COM> Hi everyone, My name is Eric Chu and I'm the product manager for NEXTSTEP Release 3.2. I've been seeing a lot of discussion on the net concerning the ship date of Release 3.2. I want to dispel any incorrect rumors that it won't be available until next year. Release 3.2 is on target to ship in the first week of November and I think it will be one of the best NEXTSTEP releases and without a doubt the best 32 bit OS release this year. Thanks for your continued support. Best wishes, Eric Chu echu@next.com _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Forwarded message follows: From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Marcus Daniels (marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : Anyone heard about when 3.2 will be shipping? I heard : awhile back it was nearing completion. "After the first of the year". -- NeXT upgrade telephone employee, 21 September 1993. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bell@balata.nosc.mil (Thomas Bell) Subject: Re: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Message-ID: <1993Sep24.204054.17667@nosc.mil> Sender: usenet@nosc.mil (Network News) Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA References: <2255@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 20:40:54 GMT In article <2255@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) writes: > Actually the right command is > set comspec=d:\command.com You were right the first time too. If you want to set the COMSPEC variable in the config.sys just enter the following line. shell=c:\command.com /p This assumes that the command.com file is in the root directory on the second drives dos partition. Or...the environment variable can be set in the autoexec.bat by entering the line mentioned above with the following correction: set comspec=c:\command.com My examples assume that there is no DOS partition on the first drive. Therefore, when DOS boots from the floppy it will not recognize the first drive and will map c: to the second drive.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:04:45 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Sep24.100445.23436@tkymail.sps.mot.com> David Bau writes Those Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 things... :) On my NS/FIP system, with 1024x768 resolution, in the workspace, the icon dock on the right-hand side isn't *quite* on the right-hand edge of the screen. There's a little gap, about 4 pixels or so, between the right edge of the icons and the edge of the screen. Does this just happen on intel systems, or is the workspace made this way? Is there any way of getting rid of this little gap? It's built in--a feature, not a bug. There are two "solutions" that I can imagine off-hand. Get Locus, which is one of those YADE (yet-another-dock-extenders) that allows its "hot zone" to cover this area. Color the area black, it's gone, only you know better. (I guess Background also has this appealing functionality.) The other means is a large hammer. Adjust your monitor accordingly, those floorboards won't sqeak at night, and the light of day won't shine through the gap... %^). --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]of this little gap? It's built in--a feature, not a bug. There are two "solutions" that I can imagine off-hand. Get Locus, which is one of those YADE (yet-another-dock-extenders) that allows its "hot zone" to cover this area. Color the area black, it's gone, only you know better. (I guess Background also has this appealing functionality.) The other means is a large hamm
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: les@chinet.chinet.com (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <CDvI9I.44x@chinet.chinet.com> Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 19:32:04 GMT In article <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com>, Barry Margolin <barmar@think.com> wrote: > >The release of the brand name is good, but how important is the release of >the interface specification? Doesn't POSIX serve that purpose? If it >doesn't, shouldn't it? As someone purchasing machines, the only important issue to me is that I don't want to ever (again) be forced to buy hardware from a specific vendor because of an operating system or software choice made previously. The scenario is (1) you buy the most competetive combination at one point in time, (2) the vendor adds proprietary enhancements, (3) you develop something that takes advantage of them. Now you need to add or replace equipment. Do you throw away what you have developed or pay whatever that vendor wants for the new items? What we really need to make unix a sensible choice is a way to ensure that enhancements made on one platform will be available on the others, perhaps in the form of optional libraries. Les Mikesell les@chinet.com
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSI 3.1 wont install on my pc-clone Message-ID: <149434@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 24 Sep 93 17:45:52 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, I'm trying to install NSI 3.1 (academic package) on my pc-clone. My hardware configuration: ISA brand motherboard w/AMI BIOS Adaptec 1542b SCSI controller NEC intersect SCSI CDROM drive Installation proceeds normally as far as the "Install NeXTStep" window. After checking off the appropriate menu items, installation from the CD begins, but after roughly 30% complete, the following error message occurrs: Kernel Trap unexpected kernel trap d eip 167683 raised rdp exception 2 code d subcode 360000 waiting for rdp connection. and the system hangs. I have no idea what this error message means. Could some kind Next engineer give me some clues? Any help much appreciated, thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for Compaq system to run NSI 3.1 Message-ID: <149437@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 24 Sep 93 17:57:22 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, Am considering getting a new box to run NSI 3.1 on, and would like to choose a configuration that is KNOWN to work with NeXTSep. Is anyone out there running NSI 3.1 on any compaq brand computers? If so, could you please e-mail to me your exact configuration: Compaq model type of graphics card type of SCSI controller type of CDROM type of HDs Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: richardm@sdf.lonestar.org (Richard F. Masoner) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <CDv1uD.2B3@sdf.lonestar.org> Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214/436-3281 References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 13:37:25 GMT In article <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes: >In article <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >>And here's the big news: From a page 14 story "Novell may give Unix to >>X/Open": >... >>Overall, I can't think of better news to receive on the Unix situation. The >>release of the Unix interface spec to X/Open will, I believe, go a long way >>toward alleviating the fears that Novell will either try to take Unix >>proprietary, or might let it languish in some confined role. > >The release of the brand name is good, but how important is the release of >the interface specification? Doesn't POSIX serve that purpose? If it >doesn't, shouldn't it? POSIX specifies an *application* interface standard. You see POSIX compliance in Windows NT, and IBM has even said something to the effect that some of their mainframe OS's would become POSIX compliant. This does nothing for weirdos like me who muck around in the Unix kernel, though. -- Richard F. Masoner richardm@sdf.lonestar.org Seen on a bumper sticker: "While your rockin', God's still knockin'."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Rdp_poll_error Message-ID: <1993Sep18.200020.4023@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <27deq2$jkq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 20:00:20 GMT In article <27deq2$jkq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> hugunin@mtl.mit.edu (James Hugunin) writes: > > My machine (an Intel GX) is at the same time an uucp client and > > server. If I use uucp as a client (polling) I have no problem at all. > > Instead when a client of my machine polls my machine, exactly after > > the uucp connection is closed, my machine crashes with a rdp > > connection error (system panic). > > > > I am already using the new serial driver of NeXT and I am running it > > at 38400 and I have no problem using it with other communication > > software like kermit or tip. > > > > Did someone else on the net experience the same problem ? > > Thank you very much in advance. > > > > - Massimo > > I have also been having problems RDP Exception errors on a Gateway 2000 > which is connected to a network of black hardware. Problems appear at > seemingly random times. Sometimes it is possible to log in and run quite > successfully for a while, and then all of a sudden the system will panic > and return an RDP Exception Error. At that time I have no recourse except > to reboot. > > If anybody understands this problem, or could at least explain to me what > an RDP exception is (so that I could have a better chance of tracking the > error down) your help would be most appreciated. RDP errors are a message that indicate that remote kernel debugging is enabled. They invariably follow a panic; telling your support person the RDP error code is very frustrating (for them). Always look back a few in the messages. In my experience with Intel systems, they have mostly been associated with network card problems of one sort or another; in general, suspect the hardware. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Message-ID: <CDw3Ay.9zA@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> <1993Sep24.043243.7887@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 02:57:36 GMT A different question, perhaps bug, is why is there a 3 point wide window in the top right corner of the screen? (Seen and verified on Mono, NDimension & i386.) If you can't see it right now by glancing up there, change your background color to a non-default value. It's there. (For Display PostScript hackers in pft: %! /list 0 countscreenlist array 0 screenlist def 0 1 list length 1 sub { /list exch get 0 exch dumpwindow } for % note that it even shows up...) Why? Stefano Pagiola (spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu) wrote: : David Bau writes : > Those Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 things... :) : > the workspace made this way? Is there any way of getting rid of : > this little gap? : Its made that way, so that you can see any windows that you push : below the dock. I vaguely remember reading that there's a dwrite : somewhere to get rid of it by changing the dock's position. But : maybe its just my memory playing tricks on me in my old age. It's historically been there. The dwrite is DockOriginX I believe. peter -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Message-ID: <CDw3y0.ACJ@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 03:11:27 GMT Perhaps following up to myself: That little view is for BackSpace. Please ignore my intolerable lack of thought for my other little post. Sometimes even I amaze myself at my own ... peter -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Date: 25 Sep 1993 03:35:09 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <280e9d$j4@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> <1993Sep24.043243.7887@leland.Stanford.EDU> <CDw3Ay.9zA@news2.cis.umn.edu> Peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu wrote... >A different question, perhaps bug, is why is there a 3 point wide >window in the top right corner of the screen? (Seen and verified >on Mono, NDimension & i386.) If you can't see it right now by >glancing up there, change your background color to a non-default >value. It's there. Wild guess here, but are you using Backspace 3.1? If so, is your hot corner set to the upper right hand corner? The object that BS uses to check for screensaver activation in the hot corner is 3 pixels wide and 3 pixels tall. Is it possible that this is what you're seeing? Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | The addition of a witty remark to a .SIG is illogical. `---- | Nevertheless, it is a fascinating concept worth study.
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Date: 24 Sep 1993 21:01:12 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <27vn6o$9j3@fermat.mayo.edu> -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Oops, second try was: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Date: 24 Sep 1993 21:08:37 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> I know it's not related, but it certainly is a serious statement of affairs for the valley area. This was just posted to our internal net... (yeah, well, IBM's internal network... the AS/400-ADstar people across the street are friends of ours...) Heckuva deal - Geoff IBM Internal Use Only Subject: GANGS IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA Please forward on to the people you support. *** Resending note of 09/24/93 09:26 PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO EVERYONE......ALERT....TRAVEL TO CALIFORNIA!!! (POLICE BULLETIN) ========================================================================= Date: 23 September 93, 16:13:30 EDT Subject: GANGS IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA Info for anyone traveling. Pass along as you see fit. This message was released by the San Jose Police department. Please drive safely!! SAN JOSE POLICE DEPARTMENT The newest form of gang initiation is to drive at night with their lights off and wait for the first vehicle that flashes their lights at them. They then follow that vehicle to their destination and shoot to kill. If they succeed in killing the victim, they are admittted to the gang. The report said that drivers should not flash their car lights at any car driving with their lights off. Please pass this information on to anyone that you know will be traveling to California.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Subject: Re: Oops, second try was: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... In-Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu's message of 24 Sep 1993 21:08:37 GMT Message-ID: <SPETERS.93Sep25001300@samsun.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA References: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 07:13:00 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) writes: > I know it's not related, but it certainly is a serious statement of affairs > for the valley area. [Re: gang initiation in which you flash your lights and you get followed to your destination and shot]. Not only is it a serious state of affairs, it's also a hoax. The San Jose Police Department has stated quite categorically that they released no such statement, and to their knowledge there has not been one reported case that this has happened. This message was originally posted to some e-mail networks, and has now spread to nearly every company in the valley, has been printed out and faxed all over, and now has apparently turned up on Usenet. :-) On the other hand, the SJPD now suggests that it *would* be a good idea not to flash your lights at other cars now, in case this fake announcement gives any gang members some *ideas* for a great new initiation rite... And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. :-( Stephen Peters
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Message-ID: <1993Sep25.072453.7208@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Sep23.054650.19240@csus.edu> <27ubf0$h6u@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 07:24:53 GMT In article <27ubf0$h6u@disuns2.epfl.ch> madon@disuns2.epfl.ch (Dominik Madon) writes: >This copy was for Intel or Motorola (or both)? I'm pretty certain what we have is Motorola-only. -=EPS=-
From: marsella@athos.rutgers.edu (Stacy Marsella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ACL 3.1.20 on NS 3.1 Message-ID: <Sep.24.23.33.03.1993.6074@athos.rutgers.edu> Date: 25 Sep 93 03:33:04 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Has anyone successfully built a Franz Allegro CL 3.1.20 image under NextStep 3.1? I am having problems. I just upgraded Nextstep 3.0 to 3.1 and noticed the patched version of Franz Allegro CL 3.1.20 I built that ran under Nextstep 3.0 would no longer work. So I rebuilt CL using the ucl.o and lib (e.g. libdsp.a) patches that worked for NS 3.0. That SEEMED to work at first but something is flaky - because when I rebuilt CommonMusic (basically a dumped lisp image) it no longer could successfully access libdsp.a. Now there are alot of things that could be going amiss here and, as the 3.0 patch suggested, the fix may be arcane. So I was wondering if anyone had got this to work and, if so, how? On a related note, where can I find an akcl that works (my 3.1 developer kit is backordered so unfortunatelt there is a limit to what I can do in this regard at the moment) And to think I was happily composing just yesterday - Thanks for any help Stacy Marsella marsella@ruccs.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Message-ID: <1993Sep25.080133.1812@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 08:01:33 GMT Geoff Brunkhorst writes > Subject: GANGS IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA > > SAN JOSE POLICE DEPARTMENT > > The newest form of gang initiation is to drive at night with their lights > off and wait for the first vehicle that flashes their lights at them. They > then follow that vehicle to their destination and shoot to kill. If they > succeed in killing the victim, they are admittted to the gang. > > The report said that drivers should not flash their car lights at any car > driving with their lights off. > > Please pass this information on to anyone that you know will be > traveling to California. Has this actually happened? I read a post the other day that said this was hogwash fabricated by some internet prankster. Unfortunately, this sort of thing has a tendency to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, so now that its a national curiosity, I am not going to flash my lights at anyone...hogwash or not. Charles. -its becoming increasingly embarassing to be an American. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Hot Tip Date: 25 Sep 1993 11:26:30 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <2819t6$k6@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> In article <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: > On my NS/FIP system, with 1024x768 resolution, in the workspace, the > icon dock on the right-hand side isn't *quite* on the right-hand edge > of the screen. There's a little gap, about 4 pixels or so, between > the right edge of the icons and the edge of the screen. Why this is has already been told in numerous posts, however an interesting way to get "rid" of it is by Alt-Clicking the dock. Now windows can be dragged over the dock instead of under it. Perhaps the "annoying" feature has become a NICE feature? :-))) I use this all the time. Oh, perhaps I should add one more fact before another `annoying feature thread' gets started: once you have Alt-Clicked the dock you can't drop an application icon from the Workspace in the dock! Either Alt-Click the dock first or start up the application and then (once the app is running) put the application tile in the dock. Toodlepip, Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <CDwuEF.2Mo@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Sep24.000757.3643@biztech.com> <1993Sep24.144016.583@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 12:42:46 GMT Jim Horne (jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu) wrote: : Wrong, and wrong. According to what we heard just last night from a NeXT : representative at the Elm City NeXT Users Group meeting, 3.2 should be shipped : some time in early October (i.e. just a couple of weeks). A demo version SoftPC : will be included, but it will only work on white hardware. SoftPC will work : some period of time (30 or 60 days, I can't remember the exact figure), and I heard the same story yesterday from a reasonalbly reliable source. More notable to some folks is the notion that SoftPC will include their SoftNode feature as part of that demo. (My source may not be reasonably reliable on this feature though.) peter -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: Re: Oops, second try was: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Message-ID: <abellCDx521.H3@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 16:42:00 GMT brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) writes: This message was released by the San Jose Police department. Please drive safely!! SAN JOSE POLICE DEPARTMENT The newest form of gang initiation is to drive at night with their lights off and wait for the first vehicle that flashes their lights at them. They then follow that vehicle to their destination and shoot to kill. If they succeed in killing the victim, they are admittted to the gang. The report said that drivers should not flash their car lights at any car driving with their lights off. The San Jose Police Department never said this. They said that this is a "FAX Rumor" that started in Florida, and spread elsewhere. They have no reason to think this is true. Steve abell@netcom.com
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Oops, second try was: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Date: 25 Sep 1993 18:48:34 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: world Message-ID: <2823q2INNiee@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> In article <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu writes: >I know it's not related, but it certainly is a serious statement of affairs >for the valley area. [ San Jose gang initiation details omitted ] The local news reported that faxes describing this supposed initiation were widely distributed from locations in San Jose and Sacramento, but police regard this as a hoax. Now, back to your regular programming ... -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: strauss@aero.org's message of 24 Sep 1993 16:43:57 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> <27v84d$rd1@news.aero.org> Date: 25 Sep 93 19:05:44 GMT Thanks for translating it into humanly readable form. I sent Eric Chu a message asking him to repost it in plain text. It is very inconsiderate to post uuencoded, tarred, and gzipped messages (which would be shorter in Ascii anyway), since most people I know don't read news on a NeXT, and even when they do, they use gus under emacs. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
From: brunk@feynman (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Oops, second try was: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Date: 25 Sep 1993 19:13:52 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <28259g$p9s@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> <2823q2INNiee@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> I was surprized that the evening news here even followed up with a report of this... However, the morning NPR news (I guess they are usually more reliable about these sorts of things stated it a "computer hacker faxing to several news agencies." My read on it was that someone in San Jose (not NPR) said that, and they just read the press release. Anyway, It certainly scared a lot of people here (you should have seen the Profs address list of internal IBM addresses), since one of IBM's local divisions (AdStar) is transfering a lot of function from Rochester to San Jose (along with a lot of people). - Geoff "Is it unethetical to post "*_FIRE_*" to the rec.arts.movies newsgroup?" -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
From: hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hex-editor Date: 25 Sep 1993 19:42:11 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <2826uj$hl9@crcnis1.unl.edu> Hello, Can anyone recommend a decent hex editor for NeXTSTEP? A good UNIX one would be fine. Thanks, Hubert Hickman hickman@cse.unl.edu
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI under NSi Message-ID: <Sep.22.19.25.17.1993.25262@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 22 Sep 93 23:25:18 GMT References: <Sep.15.05.52.09.1993.20277@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <gslCDquDD.AB9@netcom.com> <CDr8BJ.GIL@phcs.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) writes: >p.s. are you guys talking about copying files via the workspace or >normally cpio & cp -r. If its the workspace then you're running into >to the known WM mach task leak. Yes I was doing these things in WM. However, things have improved considerably since I found that I had an improperly terminated SCSI chain. Checking the obvious has never been one of my strong suits :) later, John
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI under NSi Message-ID: <Sep.23.01.22.49.1993.16195@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 23 Sep 93 05:22:49 GMT References: <Sep.15.05.52.09.1993.20277@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <gslCDquDD.AB9@netcom.com> <CDr8BJ.GIL@phcs.com> <Sep.22.19.25.17.1993.25262@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: >jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) writes: >>p.s. are you guys talking about copying files via the workspace or >>normally cpio & cp -r. If its the workspace then you're running into >>to the known WM mach task leak. >Yes I was doing these things in WM. However, things have improved considerably since I found that I had an improperly terminated SCSI chain. Checking the obvious has never been one of my strong suits :) Just one more data point. My system still crashes quite often even though in theory its all configured correctly. The point is that NSi right now is NOT robust in handling systems other than are NeXT blessed for compatibility, even if you use all the Blessed peripherals. I.E. non supported motherboards will give you problems. Additional devices on your SCSI chain like OD's may give you problems. Personally I think that the motherboard situation is unacceptable and hopefully NeXT will make future versi ons more robust. Their OS shouldn't be SO dependent on a motherboard layout, but I guess its more complicated than I imagine... The moral of this story is, either get a blessed system (or a system with the motherboard from a blessed system) or wait until, those like me, who are toiling with non supported hardware get things running smoothly... This may be a while. I tell you, 3.2 cant come fast enough... Considering the incredible amount of time for its release (march until probably january, 3/4 of a year) I am hopeful that NeXT with its incredible talent will have made NSi INCREDIBLY MORE STABLE! Luckily I have a ND that I will use while my intel system collects dust (besides my playing Wolf3D :). Although it only occasionally crashes (the intel) the crashes are quite ghastly and unlike on black hardware, FSCK cannot gracefully recover from these bombs. The bright side is that many people who are using supported hardware are reporting ROCK solid reliability which hopefully will extend to other platforms as well. At least popular boards like NICE & HINT. One thing that has to change is NeXT's service. IT SUCKS BIG TIME. IT IS STUPID THAT PEOPLE CANNOT GET ANY HELP IN INSTALLING A PRODUCT WITHOUT PAYING!!! I understand that this is a neccessary evil while NeXT is still small, but this ought to be changed ASAP. Especially for a product that is priced so HIGH -- 2500 bux for software and no help??? Funny, Corps couldn't sneak in a base NeXTstation for 2999, but will pay 2500 to use an OS on stinkier hardware??? Aye, I guess in some sick way it serves us right to have to deal with this crappy hardware. Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: Hex-editor Message-ID: <CDxICw.B1@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <2826uj$hl9@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 21:29:19 GMT In article <2826uj$hl9@crcnis1.unl.edu> hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) writes: > Can anyone recommend a decent hex editor for NeXTSTEP? A good UNIX > one would be fine. a NEXTSTEP one called XMon.app is available from the archives by Georges Chan in HongKong, gchan@mik.kyu.edu its shareware for $25. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Hex-editor Message-ID: <1993Sep25.235901.3276@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2826uj$hl9@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 23:59:01 GMT In article <2826uj$hl9@crcnis1.unl.edu> hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) writes: > Can anyone recommend a decent hex editor for NeXTSTEP? A good UNIX > one would be fine. Try HexEditor1.01.tar.Z, on Purdue. Alternatively, you can always use emacs, which comes with your NeXT. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What's going on with David Pollak and Lotus? Message-ID: <1993Sep25.192632.2825@yvax.byu.edu> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 25 Sep 93 19:26:31 -0700 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3945] References: <1993Sep22.224816.2790@yvax.byu.edu> <CDt6r8.BEF@moksha.uucp> Organization: Brigham Young University Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. I should preface my comments (and I should have prefaced my _previous_ comments) with this statement: I realize it is the height of presumptiousness to question Dave Pollak's view of the subject of copyrighting computer languages, since 1) He is a lawyer and I am not (not even close) 2) His experience in the issues of spreadsheet languages is unquestioned (after all, Mesa *is* his baby). Mine definitely could be called into question... Just so Dave knows I realize I probably don't know what the heck I'm talking about... In article <27rghe$lhd@agate.berkeley.edu> william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) writes: > This is not true. Or, at least, it is not entirely true :-) :-) > Computer languages do describe the process by which some action > is carried out. But, they do much much *much* MUCH more. Witness the > recent proliferation of "Object-Oriented" languages. > > OO languages do not offer more "computational power" than other ones. > What they offer is a different perspective on traditional programming > tasks. A new way of looking at problems and new ways of solving > problems. In short, what language we use affects our thinking processes > (and our ways of solving problems) to a huge degree. True enough. But I tend to think the law is going to look at this in a much more theoretical sense. Theoretically, because OO languages do not offer more computational power than others, and because they can *also* be expressed in grammars, the are in essence algorithmic descriptions which one can use to write down a process--in other words, a process by which we create processes. However, you have a good point...languages do vary widely in their methodology. Nonetheless, I think a court would not prevent us from writing stuff in 1-2-3's macro language...that would be in violation of the first ammendment. But they *could* prevent Dave from _interpreting_ that stuff, since Mesa would be doing our stuff by following the... "1-2-3 Process". In article <CDt6r8.BEF@moksha.uucp> mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) writes: > > I think an important distinction needs to be made here. > > Computer Languages do not express a process, that is, they do not express an > algorithm, unless you wish to say that they (inherently) describe a process by > which an algorithm may be expressed. Yes, this is what I mean. I process by which we describe processes. > It seems to me that this is analogous to > saying that english inherently describes a process by which (some) ideas may > be expressed. This would seem to be best captured, in both cases, by the > concept of grammar, and a notion of expressive power. BNF, of course, is a > way to specify a grammar. Well, English would be a weird, probably unwritable grammar, but yes, the idea is analagous. > A computer language, until it is used by someone, does not itself express any > algorithm explicitly. That is what programmers do. A programming language is > the primary means by which a programmer expresses his or her ideas. > > Thus, I think one might frame the debate better by noting that it is a > grammar and system of expression for which protection is being sought, and > then asking what the resolution should be when this comes into conflict with > the needs of people to express their ideas. Yes. But we have to remember that Dave's not comparing a computer language (or its interpreter) with, say, English. He is comparing a computer language with a _statement_ in English. These two things are not analogous. As I mentioned above, I think that it's legal for us to write stuff in 1-2-3 macro language (freedom of expression), but it's not legal for someone to perform our programs since this would entail following the process laid out by the 1-2-3 grammar. > Could one copyright or patent a natural language ? Having learned this > language, what are my responsibilities, if any, to the holders of the patent > or copyright ? Interesting questions. Another bizarre take on this is: if I could patent a natural language as a process, would that mean that someone without permission could freely speak in that language, but not listen? Listening is interpreting! > I think there are some interesting questions to be resolved here. In practical > terms, I think it would be an extremely detrimental precedent if the ruling is > allowed to stand. Detrimental indeed. We could all be criminally negligent. Here's to Dave winning his case, whatever way he chooses to go about it. __________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows Brigham Young University sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) __________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Port NEXTSTEP to the SGI Indy! Message-ID: <1993Sep25.195533.2828@yvax.byu.edu> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 25 Sep 93 19:55:33 -0700 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3945] References: <Sep07.211557.84768@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <deluxe-200993114514@17.220.88.2> <27mu78$b06@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Sep21.172219.2762@yvax.byu.edu> <1993Sep23.150848.329@interaccess.com> Organization: Brigham Young University Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. In article <1993Sep23.150848.329@interaccess.com> phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) writes: > In article <1993Sep21.172219.2762@yvax.byu.edu>, > Sean Luke <sean@digaudio.byu.edu> wrote: > >My kinda-informed prediction for emerging NeXTSTEP platforms in the > >near future (in order): > > > >1 HP PA/RISC (definitely coming) [..] > >2 SPARC (known to be in the works) > > NeXT vehemently opposed a SPARC port around three months ago arguing that > it was doubtful that Sun would help them. Untrue--NeXT opposed a Sun takeover. However, there are some OS deals in the works. DEC offered NeXT some money to do an Alpha port as well, but as far as I know, NeXT declined. > >3 POWERPC (widely rumored--but just rumored) > > Everyone seems to be clamoring after this one. > How about RS6000, or MIPS? RS6000: It is my understanding that NeXT won't do this one again (it was done long ago), because IBM is moving to the PowerPC in the particular market NeXT is after (that vague area between scientific workstation-class machines and high-end PCs). MIPS: I don't think NeXT thinks MIPS machine owners (including SGI) have a large enough demand for NeXT's OS. Oh, well. I'd like to add to this my opinion that if the Alpha takes off, NeXT *will* take DEC's offer eventually. This means that if NeXT doesn't die anytime soon, in a few years we should see NeXTSTEP on: 680x0, I486/Pentium, PA-RISC, SPARC, POWERPC, Alpha And, of course, there were those NeXTSTEP has-beens: RS/6000 under AIX, and the dual-88110 design. __________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows Brigham Young University sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) __________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Putting a boxed 21" color monitor in a car. Message-ID: <1993Sep25.201510.2830@yvax.byu.edu> From: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 25 Sep 93 20:15:09 -0700 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3945] References: <neuss.748093181@ramazzotti> <1993Sep15.173756.25836@KYnug.org> <1993Sep20.060732.10368@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <CDnKtz.87L@news2.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. In article <CDnKtz.87L@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > No chance of getting a box into the Porsche 968, 911, 928, 944, 924... Well, *I* got it into my Yugo. Being silly... __________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows Brigham Young University sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail now welcome :-) __________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next Logins don't work *desperate* Message-ID: <1993Sep26.000737.1@vax2.winona.msus.edu> From: surion@vax2.winona.msus.edu Date: 26 Sep 93 00:07:37 CDT Organization: Winona State University Anybody, My NeXT (an 030 cube running NS 3.0) seems to be booting all right until login; root account works well, but all user accounts are freezing. The NeXT ceases login procedures before launching the WorkSpace Manager I think. The logo NeXT icon in the upper right has the three dots, I assume because whatever it is hasn't launched. At this point I typed command command ~ and tried several things one of which was gdb. It gave me: dbg_panic: debugger screw-up I tried msg to dump msg buffer to screen and the system didnt return anything but two blank lines. Typing command command ~ returned me to the Mini-Monitor. As I think about events leading up to this I tried to compile a C program; iwf.c using the command cc at the shell. It told me I needed a header table.h in the sys folder. I moved one there, tried again, and was greeted by more, but different error messages error messages. I have since replaced all the files to their original directories, rebooted, but the results are the same. I've been through as many directorys as I can think to go through, complarin the contents on the HD with those on the OD, they seem to be the same. At least that is there are no files missing, though there are extras on the HD. I'm assuming at this point that by attempting to compile a program (originally writen for NeXTStep 2.x I later learned) that I inadvertantly altered the contents of a vital file somewhere. Oh yeah, one other thing. We hooked th cube up temporarily to the internet using a connection at my university. We changed the IP address, and while it was on the net, as a matter of curiosity, we (the sysadmin and I) telnetted a connection to the cube. I logged in to the NeXT from a terminal as /seth/ (my account) and it seemed to work allright, though of couse not with any graphic interface, just a command prompt. If aanyone out there has had a problem anything like this one, can you tell me waht in the world i did wrong? I'm fairly ne to unix, and som even the most basic things are probably escaping me. Please reply to me personaly at <surion@vax2.winona.msus.edu>, unless you think it of great importance to the net at large. thanks to all, seth
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,misc.jobs.offered From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: International NeXT and Client /Server Positions Message-ID: <1993Sep26.045650.1965@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 04:56:50 GMT This posting is for another organization. Please forward your information to the person below, if possible. Otherwise, I will forward replies to them. Selim Edde The Open Solutions Inc. 514/849-7364 FAX 514/8496183 This organization is leading a search for a position that is very similar to a NeXT System Engineer. Sales support and customer focus are a must along with sufficient technical credentials. The other position is for a expert in Client/Server development with a strong background in servers, networks, and application development. Both positions will be based in the Middle East, and are extended in length. Thank you. A press release regarding this organization follows. Contact: Karen Logsdon NeXT Computer, Inc. 415/780-3786 or Selim Edde The Open Solutions Inc. 514/849-7364 NeXT Appoints Distributor for the Middle East REDWOOD CITY, CA.- August 31, 1993 - NeXT Computer, Inc. announced today its move into the Middle Eastern market by appointing The Open Solutions Corporation (TOPS) as NeXT strategic partner and Value Added Distributor, for the Middle East and North Africa region. NeXT develops and markets the industry acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by medium and large organizations to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink wrapped productivity software. "TOPS_ mandate is to establish proper distribution channels for NEXTSTEP and its associated derivative products and services throughout the Middle East and North Africa", declared Bernhard Woebker, vice president at NeXT. TOPS, based in Montreal, Canada, is an international solutions provider in the Information Technology field. The company has extensive expertise in selling and building distribution channels for North American products in the Middle East, as well as a thorough knowledge of the region's specific requirements. TOPS is a leading expert in Arabization technology. "Our intent is to develop the Middle Eastern market for this innovative product, NEXTSTEP, by appointing committed and effective VARs who will target specific end-user markets", said Waleed Ghafari, TOP_s President. Object-oriented productivity for the enterprise NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel processors is NeXT's object-oriented software that runs on industry-standard Intel 486- and Pentium-based PCs. NEXTSTEP Developer provides visual application construction tools and reusable application objects for the development of NEXTSTEP applications. NEXTSTEP has received customer and industry accolades for dramatically speeding the development of custom applications. "With its advanced object-oriented capabilities, NEXTSTEP will have a definite impact on the development of mission critical applications in the major market sectors of the Middle East, mainly oil and petrochemical, banking and financial services, health care and education," said Selim Edde of TOPS. "NEXTSTEP which enables users to store and retrieve voice annotations and images from standard servers, running databases such as ORACLE, SYBASE or INFORMIX will optimize the client-server model that many corporations in the Middle East are trying to implement. Finally, enterprises will be able to effectively manage their existing resources and increase their productivity significantly." About NeXT NeXT develops and markets the award-winning NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. Customers use NEXTSTEP to develop and deploy custom client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped software. Headquartered in Redwood City, California, with offices throughout the world, NeXT serves customers requiring enterprise-wide, object-oriented productivity environments. # # # # NeXT, the NeXT logo and NEXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective owners. -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <1993Sep26.092239.6710@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <9309241609.AA03490@oz.NeXT.COM> <27v84d$rd1@news.aero.org> <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 09:22:39 GMT In article <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: >Thanks for translating it into humanly readable form. >I sent Eric Chu a message asking him to repost it in >plain text. It is very inconsiderate to post uuencoded, tarred, and >gzipped messages (which would be shorter in Ascii anyway), since most >people I know don't read news on a NeXT, and even when they do, they >use gus under emacs. Give the poor guy a break! That message was sent from Mail.app to a mail-to-news gateway (some [all?] people at NeXT can't post news articles directly). Eric simply forgot that he was posting NeXTMail. It's nice to see NeXT people posting to the net, so let's not jump down their throats when they do. Dave Griffiths
From: t89djo@albireo (David Jonsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Boot to DOS from a second hard disk? Date: 26 Sep 1993 11:21:14 GMT Organization: Uppsala University Message-ID: <283tva$odd@corax.udac.uu.se> References: <27ia1i$857@menudo.uh.edu> qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu (Feng Qiu) writes: : : My system is a 486/DX2 66MHz with a 525 M hard disk loaded with : NeXTStep3.1. I have a second hard disk bootable for DOS and Windows but : without NeXTStep partition. My question is how can you boot to the second : hard disk to DOS? Now in order to run DOS(I have no SoftPC) I have to : disconnect the hard disk for NeXTStep and set it at master mode then : reboot. Shortly after reboot where you normally type <return> or sd()mach_kernel you can type the n:th partition of the m:th IDE drive hd(n,m)Mach_kernel or similar if you want to boot from a SCSI drive. David -- David Jonsson Voice&Fax +46-18-24 51 52 P.O Box 353 Postal giro 499 40 54-7 S-751 06 UPPSALA Internet E-mail t89djo@tdb.uu.se SWEDEN
From: Pop Tart Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Changing recycler icons Date: 26 Sep 1993 16:54:02 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Message-ID: <284hfa$36e@ftp.alleg.edu> Being new to the NeXT I was wondering if there was any way to change the icons of your recycler without using SuperHack.app? It does really screwy things to my account. Perhaps someone knows a better way to change the icons without messing up the account. Thanks for any info anyone may be able to provide. -- ///////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ "Virtue is like a rich stone, best plain set." - Francis Bacon "If the dream is won, though everything is lost, We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost..." -Rush \\\\ Jeremy Bussard <-> C.J. <-> bussarj@alleg.EDU ////
From: bestor@caracal.cs.wisc.edu (Gareth Bestor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Mach kernel flags (black) Message-ID: <1993Sep26.170840.13073@cs.wisc.edu> Date: 26 Sep 93 17:08:40 GMT Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. NeXT Kernel Flags (black h/w) ----------------------------- Here's a list of some of the kernel flags. Some are commands invoked from the NMI monitor (e.g. "halt"), others modify kernel parameters (e.g. "nbuf") and the rest I have no clue about. If anybody finds out what these others do then let me know. Flag Abbrev. Description ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- astune_rate a ? big b Enlarge NMI monitor window breakpoint br ? continue c Exit NMI monitor and resume execution cache ca ? dspicr d ? debug de Start debug mode (extended kernel messages) gdb g Start GNU debugger help h,"?" Print list of NMI commands halt ha Clean shutdown and go to ROM monitor init i ? kdb_ipaddr k ? monitor m Dirty shutdown and go to ROM monitor (try halt first) mem me ? msg ms Display kernel message buffer nbuf n Number of kernel buffers od_frmr o ? phz p ? pagesize pa ? reboot r Clean shutdown and reboot rootdir ro ? stay s Make NMI window stay on screen after continuing sb sb ? scc_buffer sc ? I'm sure my list is incomplete (I found it by trial and error while looking for something else) but there doesn't appear to be a list of kernel flags anywhere in the online documentation. From "Loadble Kernel Servers, Appendix B: The ROM Monitor and NMI Monitor" (NeXT's spelling mistake, not mine :-) > NMI Mini-Monitor Commands > > The following NMI mini-monitor commands aren't currently useful for > developers outside of NeXT. > > Set or Examine Any Kernel Flag > > The command > > flag=[value] > > lets you examine or modify internal system flags (most internal system > flags are of interest only to system developers at NeXT). > > Example: > > nmi> debug= > kernel flags debug = 0x0 The debug flag has the value 0. > nmi> debug=2 > kernel flag = 0x2 Change the value of the debug flag to 2. > > Set the IP Address > > The command > > kd_ipaddr=value > > lets you set the IP address used by the computer for kernel debugging. > It's useful only to system developers at NeXT. The "nbuf" Flag --------------- The "nbuf" flag sets the number of buffers used by the kernel. Some people have found that increasing/decreasing this value improves system performance. If anybody determines the optimal number of buffers for a particular memory size, processor speed, etc, then let me know. Buffers use up memory space and increasing the number of buffers decreases the available memory (this info is displayed early in the boot process). If nbuf is less than or equal to 96 then each buffer uses 8K. For example, 32 buffers = 0.25MB, 64 buffers = 0.5MB, 96 buffers = 0.75MB. If nbuf is greater than 96 then the additional buffers use up less memory, to a maximum of 0.79MB. For example, 128 buffers = 0.79MB. Any kernel flag can be made a default boot parameter in the ROM monitor using the "p" command. For example, to change the number of buffers to 64, go to the ROM monitor and type: > Next> p > boot command: sd? sd- n=64 > ... When you next boot up, nbuf is automatically set to 64. Alternatively, you can boot up immediately from the ROM monitor with a different nbuf value by typing: > Next> bsd- n=128 Note: The "nbuf" flag can be abbreviated to "n". Therefore, more buffers can be assigned without going over the 12 character limit on the boot command. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This info was collected on an 25MHz '040 mono cube w/ 16MB running NEXTSTEP 3.1. The ROM version is 2.5 v66 (if it matters). Gareth Bestor (bestor@cs.wisc.edu) 09/25/93 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Pop Tart Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Changing icons of the recycler Date: 26 Sep 1993 16:59:47 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Message-ID: <284hq3$3c1@ftp.alleg.edu> Is there any way to change the recycler icons without running SuperHack? It (SuperHack) does very screwy things to my account and I would like to find another way even if it involves a little more work. Any info would be greatly appreciated! -- ///////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ "Virtue is like a rich stone, best plain set." - Francis Bacon "If the dream is won, though everything is lost, We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost..." -Rush \\\\ Jeremy Bussard <-> C.J. <-> bussarj@alleg.EDU ////
From: bestor@caracal.cs.wisc.edu (Gareth Bestor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: Booting the CPU in a cube from a different slot? Message-ID: <1993Sep26.173623.13992@cs.wisc.edu> Date: 26 Sep 93 17:36:23 GMT Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Does anyone have any idea why I can't get an 030 CPU board to boot up in a cube from a slot other than #0? I want to get the 030 running with an 040 to do background rendering and don't want to try Felix Lugo's approach of re-numbering the backplane slots. This might risk blowing drivers on the 040 board because the slot pins are used to generate system-wide unique memory addresses (at least that's the impression I get from reading the online documentation "Operating Systems, Part 2: Writing Loadble Kernel Servers, Section 7: NeXTbus"). The 030 board doesn't have an NBIC. The board comes up fine if I plug in into a different slot (say #4) and the ROM monitor correctly detects which slot it is in and doesn't complain. However, if I actually try and boot up from either the SCSI disk or OD, the drive chugs away for a couple of seconds and then the boot process hangs. Pressing Command-Command-~ to get back to the ROM fails and I have to pull the plug :-( Why would booting from a SCSI drive be affected by the slot number of the CPU ?!?! The online documentation makes several references to multiple CPU's in different slots, so I don't see why this is a problem. Any ideas? Any NeXTbus expects out there? Do I need an NBIC chip (where can I get these now)? BTW: I've been trying this with *just* the 030 board in slot #4 with the 040 board unplugged. After powering up I would immediately go to the ROM monitor and try to boot (which hangs). I also tried this with just the 040 board in slot #4, which *immediately* hangs after powering up and I cant even get to the ROM monitor. - Gareth Bestor (bestor@cs.wisc.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Message-ID: <chris.749063647@du139-207.cc.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Sep24.000757.3643@biztech.com> <1993Sep24.144016.583@cs.yale.edu> <CDwuEF.2Mo@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:14:07 GMT In <CDwuEF.2Mo@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: >SoftNode feature as part of that demo. (My source may not be reasonably >reliable on this feature though.) What's SoftNode anyway? -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is Micro Pro? Message-ID: <54690@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 24 Sep 93 13:07:01 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD On which ftp site is there a demo copy of Micorphone Pro? Mark Stankus
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What I would want from modem software... Message-ID: <54691@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 24 Sep 93 13:17:58 GMT References: <54690@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I would want modem software such that 1. I could use multiple terminal windows to do different things. This would basically be the gnu program screen but the different screens would be piped to different terminal windows and you could always see what the other screens were doing and you could select a screen by clicking in the approporiate terminal window. 2. Have one of screen's screens have a NS front-end of a file viewer. The file viewer would do cd's and ls's for you when you clicked on a directory icon and show the results as the workspace manager does. If you click on an ascii file, it would start a screen using that editor. Also, in the file viewer make an icon for your modem-using computer (or just let the person drag in onto their own file viewer) in order to transfer it (I am thinking of kermit, but whatever). Note: The version of screen I have does not allow kermit to run. Mark Stankus
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How big is NS 3.1? 3.2? Message-ID: <54692@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 24 Sep 93 16:30:38 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I have NS 3.0 and my hard drive is very full. How much bigger is NS3.1? NS 3.2? Mark Stankus
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Educational Price for 3.1/3.2? Message-ID: <54695@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 24 Sep 93 18:15:19 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD What is the educational price for 3.1 and/or 3.2 after Sept. 30? Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Message-ID: <1993Sep26.115842.2249@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 11:58:42 GMT In article <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: > Those Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 things... :) > > On my NS/FIP system, with 1024x768 resolution, in the workspace, the > icon dock on the right-hand side isn't *quite* on the right-hand edge > of the screen. There's a little gap, about 4 pixels or so, between > the right edge of the icons and the edge of the screen. Does this > just happen on intel systems, or is the workspace made this way? > Is there any way of getting rid of this little gap? An unsupported dwrite was posted recently that could be the solution: dwrite Workspace DockOriginX <TheRightValue> TheRightValue is probably 1024-64=960 -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DECpc for NSI Message-ID: <149841@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 26 Sep 93 18:53:22 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, Is the DECpc 466 mentioned in the computer shopper the same as the "DECpc 466 MTE-d2 w/S3-805" listed in the NSI hardware compatability guide? Also, is the S3 driver upgrade yet available? Is anyone running NSI in 1024x768 8bit color on this hardware platform (without problems)? Any information much appreciated. Finally, KRIS MAGNUSSON! I would love to hear what you think is the best bang for the buck platform for NSI, but my e-mail to you bounced! Do you have an e-mail address that is accessible from our .edu domain? Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK Date: 26 Sep 1993 19:43:43 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <284rdf$qtq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi. I'm trying to build GraphicsWorkshop FAT from the source on nova.cc.purdue.edu. Unfortunately, NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK seems to be missing from the 3.x include files. Can I just hard code a value, or does this indicate some greater incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x programming. Thanks in advance, Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: fasano@nic.cerf.net (Christopher G. Fasano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pnews and NNTP Date: 26 Sep 1993 19:53:36 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Message-ID: <284s00$2a8@news.cerf.net> Hello, I have been having a problem with Pnews and nntp running on my Next that I can't seem to solve. I have nntp all compiled and running, as is Cnews. I get my news feed fine, rn works and so on. The problem appears when I try to post news using Pnews. After typing in the message, Pnews fails to post the article, saying something like "NNTP server out of space, try later." But there is plenty of space on my disk, so somehow the amount of space on the disk is not getting read/computed correctly. Has anyone else seen this problem? If so, how did you fix it? Please respond to fasano@scarolina.cerfnet.com Thanks in advance! Chris Fasano Dept. of Chemistry and Physics Francis Marion Univ. Florence, SC 29501
From: fasano@nic.cerf.net (Christopher G. Fasano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Xarchie on the next Date: 26 Sep 1993 19:57:29 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Message-ID: <284s7a$2bs@news.cerf.net> Has anyone out there gotten xarchie working on the next? I have gotten it to compile and run, but it doesn't seem to be communicating with the archie servers. Can you give me any hints? Please respond to fasano@scarolina.cerfnet.com Thanks in advance Chris Fasano Dept. of Chemistry and Physics Francis Marion Univ. Florence, SC 29501
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: Re: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Message-ID: <gslCDzAB0.9C2@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <gslCDquz4.BAH@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 20:30:36 GMT Greg Lindholm (gsl@netcom.com) wrote: : Does anyone know if/how to read/write a diskette on NS/FIP using : cpio or tar such that it can be interchanged with other unix systems? Following up on my on article: I've had no response on this question. Does this mean that you can't do it or does nobody know or care? Surely being able to exchange data with another unix system via floppy is a desirable thing. : Greg Lindholm : gsl@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cew@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carlin Edward Wiegner) Subject: Physical Network Address Message-ID: <1993Sep26.211719.24552@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: cew@leland.stanford.edu Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <gslCDquz4.BAH@netcom.com> <gslCDzAB0.9C2@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 21:17:19 GMT I need to find out my physical device number on my NeXT to enter into the local network database. where is this number? CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Message-ID: <CDzD0r.70q@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <gslCDzAB0.9C2@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 21:29:15 GMT Greg Lindholm (gsl@netcom.com) wrote: > Does anyone know if/how to read/write a diskette on NS/FIP using > cpio or tar such that it can be interchanged with other unix systems? Mark Andrews posted this last year for black hardware last year. >From: mark@abekas.uucp (Mark Andrews)>Subject: Re: File transfer: Sparc to Next via floppy disk >Message-ID: <1992Mar17.212459.600@abekas.uucp> >Date: 17 Mar 92 21:24:59 GMT > >To tar between an 040 NeXT with an internal floppy and a Sun Sparc with >an internal floppy. > >On the NeXT (don't put the disk in until it asks for it). > tar cvf /dev/rfd0b directory | filenames <to save to floppy> > tar tvf /dev/rfd0b <to read floppy directory> > tar xvf /dev/rfd0b <to read floppy> > disk -e /dev/rfd0b <to eject the disk afterwards> > >On the sun. > tar cvf /dev/rfd0c directory | filenames <to save to floppy> > tar tvf /dev/rfd0c <to read floppy directory> > tar xvf /dev/rfd0c <to read floppy> > eject <to eject the disk afterwards> > >A 1.44M floppy which has been formatted on the sun, initialised on the >NeXT, or formatted on a PC will work, but the DOS, sun or NeXT >filesystem will be destroyed by the tar. For more information see the >tar and fd manual pages. The important thing is knowing which device to >use. > >Unfortunately you need to be superuser to tar at the NeXT end. You can >change the permissions of /dev/rfd0b on the NeXT so that non superuser's >can use the floppy, but this is dangerous, because it leaves NeXT >mounted volumes unprotected. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What I would want from modem software... Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 18:39:02 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <cgdVc6m00WBN83c5MC@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <54691@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> What you want can be done if you can get a SLIP (or PPP) connection set up accross the serial line you're using. You can then have multiple connections open (one per Terminal window, more if you get clever). You can use GatorFTP and/or NFS to access remote filesystems using a browser (or browser-like) interface, and you can do file copies and so forth fairly easily. The only real downside is that you have to convince whoever's providing your serial access to also provide SLIP/PPP service.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Alberto Ricart) Subject: Re: User.addresses? Message-ID: <1993Sep26.204312.1198@parsec.mixcom.com> Organization: SmartSoft, Inc. References: <27rvb6$46k@dgswe.sweden.dg.com> <1993Sep23.185637.4492@corona.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 20:43:12 GMT Check out our new app, InTouch. It uses the .addresses format, but we deal with them in a much better way. We have placed a demo (fully licesable) at cs.orst.edu that you can get by ftp. -- --- Alberto Ricart SmartSoft, Inc. 2220 E. Linnwood Avenue, Milwaukee, WI 53211-3321
From: lsf@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lee Finn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 26 Sep 1993 23:01:12 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Distribution: na Message-ID: <2856vo$ame@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> <1993Sep26.115842.2249@qb.rhein-main.de> In article <1993Sep24.035630.7581@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: > Those Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 things... :) > > On my NS/FIP system, with 1024x768 resolution, in the workspace, the > icon dock on the right-hand side isn't *quite* on the right-hand edge > of the screen. There's a little gap, about 4 pixels or so, between > the right edge of the icons and the edge of the screen. Does this > just happen on intel systems, or is the workspace made this way? > Is there any way of getting rid of this little gap? Happens on black hardware as well. I've always assumed it was purposeful, so that icons or windows that might have been pushed behind the dock were accessible without moving the dock down.
From: michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au (Michael Lofquist) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JANA PUBLISHING (AGAIN) Date: 26 Sep 1993 23:40:33 GMT Organization: Technical Development Group, Telstra International Distribution: world Message-ID: <28599h$jh7@turin.research.otc.com.au> It's funny. Some time ago I asked on the net if Jana Publishing still existed, and I got a few answers from net saying it did, and also eventually from Jana Publishing themselves. Great I thought. I emailed them back enquiring if they had received my payment, because I had not received any CDROM after the first one ( MARCH APRIL ). I have now emailed them twice (jay@jana.com) asking about my payment and if I could receive the next CDROM (MAY JUNE) issue. No answers at all. So here we go again !! Does Jana Publishing exist ? Why do they not read their mail or at least answer it ?? Or is it just me sending to wrong mail address ?? Have you received my bank cheque ? And can I have the next issue of the News CDROM (MAY JUNE) ?? Regards -- -------------------------------------------- Michael Lofquist SIRIUS Object Oriented Technologies Pty Lty P.O Box 408, North Sydney, 2059 NSW Australia Phone: + 61 (0) 18 619 502 Fax: + 61 (0) 2 9222 353 Email: michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au michaell@research.otc.com.au --------------------------------------------
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Talking clock, anyone? Date: 27 Sep 1993 02:09:47 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <285i1bINNal4@clem.handheld.com> Before I re-invent the wheel, I thought I'd ask here: Is there a program available for the NeXT that speaks the time? Or (preferably) that will build a .snd or .vox file with the spoken time and date that was submitted to it? Thanks, Jim --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; NRA-ILA, GOA, CCRKBA, | it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous GSSF, VSRRA | servant and a fearful master." jmd@handheld.com | -- George Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ginsparg@lanl.gov (PG) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <1993Sep27.021918.24356@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 02:19:18 GMT In article <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: > Thanks for translating it into humanly readable form. > I sent Eric Chu a message asking him to repost it in > plain text. It is very inconsiderate to post uuencoded, tarred, and > gzipped messages (which would be shorter in Ascii anyway), since most > people I know don't read news on a NeXT, and even when they do, they > use gus under emacs. i have a stronger comment. the message came up in newsgrazer as a uuencoded text file (so again it was necessary to uudecode, untar, etc -- expected multiple people to repost, as indeed happened, so didn't bother. post appeared to have been am index.rtf file created by some inept feed from Mail.app). should one laugh or cry that even when some 100% well-intentioned nExt employee actually tries to communicate to the user community, it's still done in some hopelessy obscure fashion [like someone trying to speak after so many years of silence that nothing comes out anymore]? the flaming lemmings will no doubt complain that neXt is too busy trying to survive to bother communicating useful information or bug fixes to the exterior via the network. but this is nonsense: it is remarkable that nexT, still so far ahead in so many ways, has never fully accepted and adopted the network as a communication tool. (perhaps going back to Job's block with the original macintosh -- recall he didn't even include any external ports whatsoever because he thought wires coming out the back looked too unaesthetic). i have had the following recent eye-opening experience: having bought an hp 735 with the intention of installing nextStep when it is ported (btw benchmarks at 6-10 times faster than a 25Mhz slab on everything), but have to make do with system V hp ux for the time being. had some trivial configuration problems with sendmail.cf and /etc/disktab so posted to comp.sys.hp -- in each case an hp engineer responded via e-mail within half a day. that's right, high quality assistance even on the most insignificant problems from in-house personnel. while this is perhaps too unrealistic an extreme to expect from a much smaller company struggling for existence, it seems not so unrealistic to expect somewhat more timely and informative answers to many of the legitimate questions posed on these newsgroups or via e-mail. pg ** opinions and use of capitalization here do not necessarily reflect ** ** those of my employer [the u.s. gov't, which hasn't exactly discovered** ** the network either, despite occasional reports to the contrary]. **
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT upgrade deadline. Date: 27 Sep 1993 01:55:41 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I'm gonna spend my $174 dollars tommorrow to upgrade from 3.0 and was wondering; aside from from the obvious, is there some other reason why NeXT is pretty much forcing users to upgrade now instead of waiting for NS 4.0 which is supposed to be maybe the last version for black hardware. All of my software runs fine under 3.0 and since we're not developing anymore just yet I'd like to know why NeXT insists on making users pay twice for an upgrade. I assume we are purchasing a license to use NeXTSTEP so why can't we decide to skip a few versions and upgrade when we feel like? I've been pondering this since seeing all 2.0 users having to upgrade to 3.0 and then 3.1 instead of just 2.0 or 2.1 to 3.1. Buying upgrades in between seems a little strange when we'd never use those upgrades. NS 3.1 will never leave its box and that seems wasteful to me. Any other thoughts? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Sybase adaptor and costs on NeXTSTEP Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:52:54 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep27.115254.10264@cyantic.com> I'd like to find out an approximate list price for Sybase running on a Sun SPARC 10 dual processor machine, but more importantly, I need to know whether there are addtional costs for NeXTSTEP clients running on Intel HW. Is the Sybase adaptor included in the User Package? Is the environment ready to run given an application is present? -- Mark T. Dornfeld, CYANTIC Systems Voice: (416) 234-9048 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9B 6K4 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ml@tsiny.psca.com Subject: Port of NEXTSTEP on PowerPC.. Message-ID: <1993Sep27.135858.6415@tsiny.psca.com> Sender: usenet@tsiny.psca.com Organization: TSI of New York, Inc. Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:58:58 GMT I would rather see NEXTSTEP ported(or finished being ported) to the PowerPC than SGI or anything else. I think this would be the next step after the HP port. -- Mark LeScoezec TSI of NY, Inc. System Administrator (212)856-9000 ml@tsiny.psca.com 666 Third Ave NeXTmail appreciated NY, NY 10017
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: 21" Megapixel available for trade!! Date: 27 Sep 1993 15:10:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <286vp8$5m2@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Summary: Trade for a multisync monitor Bcc: mitroo Hi, I have a 21" color megapixel monitor that I have been trying to connect to an NEXTSTEP/Intel system without much success. I have come to the conclusion that I NEED a Multisync monitor! So... I would like to trade this beautiful monitor for a comparable 20/21" monitor that is multisync. Some specifics about the monitor: Original make Hitachi model CM2187A3 61.5 KHz horiz x 60-68 Hz vertical frequency .31 dot pitch, up to 1280x1024 resolution RGB, sync on green, with a 13w3 connector Black case, in *MINT* condition Still has > 9 months of a 1 year warranty from Bell Atlantic This monitor will work beautifully with a NeXTstation color. It will also work with a Dell DGX 486/50 system. I would like to trade this with someone in the central Ohio/Columbus area to facilitate the exchange. I also have a custom-made 13w3->3 RGB BNC cable I can include. Please let me know if interested. Thanks, Varun Mitroo mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (614) 447-9194
From: rprice@reunion.umd.edu (Rodney Price) Newsgroups: comp.lang.oberon,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Success with Gadgets... Date: 27 Sep 1993 14:47:56 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <286ues$qfl@hecate.umd.edu> References: <286g2n$nmb@usenet.mcs.kent.edu> Keywords: oberon, nextstep In article <286g2n$nmb@usenet.mcs.kent.edu> delozier@mcs.kent.edu (Greg Delozier) writes: > Other than this minor complaint, I've been having a lot of fun. The guy > at work I get to compare results with has spent about $4,000 to program > in NextStep on Intel. I convinced him to leave a small DOS partition > so he could run Gadgets and get some real work done :-) :-) :-) > > However, Oberon doesn't ship with the complete works of Shakespeare, so > he's got that on me. (NextStep does (!)) I have a Next machine (now an orphan) and I've been reading this group for several weeks, wishing that there were an implementation of Oberon that would run on this machine, or failing that at least something that runs under generic NextStep. Does such a thing exist? Rod Price rprice@reunion.umd.edu
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <1993Sep27.141823.17977@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 27 Sep 93 14:18:23 GMT References: <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> <1993Sep27.021918.24356@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. PG (ginsparg@lanl.gov) wrote: : i have a stronger comment. the message came up in newsgrazer as a : uuencoded text file (so again it was necessary to uudecode, untar, etc Oh my god! A uuencoded text file! The bastard had the gall to post that! Draggin that mouse over to the uudecode menuitem is just one more step to carpal-tunnel! I think this is the *first* time I've ever seen a botched NeXT post. You make it sound like this happens every day. Chill out. : the flaming lemmings will no doubt complain that neXt is too busy : trying to survive to bother communicating useful information or : bug fixes to the exterior via the network. but this is nonsense: : it is remarkable that nexT, still so far ahead in so many ways, : has never fully accepted and adopted the network as a communication tool. Oh no? Look at how much Conrad posts. I get more NeXT information from him on the net than ANYWHERE else. Look at nextanswers@next.com. What do you see there? Information! How do you get it? Over the net! Wow! One botched post == Nonexistant Net usage. Such logic. Oh, scuse me. I guess I'm just a lemming. Give me a minute while I jump off a cliff... : so posted to comp.sys.hp -- in each case an hp engineer responded via : e-mail within half a day. that's right, high quality assistance even on Well, to begin with there are considerably more people at HP than NeXT, so I'd assume some of them have the time to comb the net looking for your questions. - Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: CCGREG@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Greg Johnson) Subject: Re: Changing icons of the recycler Message-ID: <16C569877.CCGREG@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri References: <284hq3$3c1@ftp.alleg.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:50:18 CDT In article <284hq3$3c1@ftp.alleg.edu> Pop Tart writes: > Is there any way to change the recycler icons... On 3.1, see /usr/lib/NextStep/WorkSpace.app/WM.app/trash*
From: thutt@access.digex.net (Taylor Hutt) Newsgroups: comp.lang.oberon,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Success with Gadgets... Date: 27 Sep 1993 12:09:17 -0400 Organization: Oberon Liberation Front, Baltimore, MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <28737d$86n@access.digex.net> References: <286g2n$nmb@usenet.mcs.kent.edu> <286ues$qfl@hecate.umd.edu> Keywords: oberon, nextstep In article <286ues$qfl@hecate.umd.edu>, Rodney Price <rprice@reunion.umd.edu> wrote: >In article <286g2n$nmb@usenet.mcs.kent.edu> delozier@mcs.kent.edu (Greg >Delozier) writes: > >> Other than this minor complaint, I've been having a lot of fun. The guy >> at work I get to compare results with has spent about $4,000 to program >> in NextStep on Intel. I convinced him to leave a small DOS partition >> so he could run Gadgets and get some real work done :-) :-) :-) >> >> However, Oberon doesn't ship with the complete works of Shakespeare, so >> he's got that on me. (NextStep does (!)) > >I have a Next machine (now an orphan) and I've been reading this group for >several weeks, wishing that there were an implementation of Oberon that would >run on this machine, or failing that at least something that runs under generic >NextStep. Does such a thing exist? > Presently, no. I've not heard of any work being done on this front, either. It's a shame. The next would host Oberon very nicely! (I've forgotten how many buttons the Next has on its mouse, though). Taylor "Middle Name" Hutt Windows NT tastes like chicken. No, wait. Chicken tastes like Windows NT.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING (AGAIN) Message-ID: <CE0s8v.B08@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <28599h$jh7@turin.research.otc.com.au> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:55:43 GMT I'm sorry to say that I am among those who sent a check to Jana, received the first two issues and haven't heard a thing since. March/April arrived in May, and not a peep since then. I am beginning to wonder.... Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: gt8299c@prism.gatech.EDU (Badri Narasimhan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Rebooting Problems - with NeXTStep Message-ID: <113585@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 27 Sep 93 17:15:15 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Dear Friends: I have NeXTStep installed on a Dell 486. Recently, I powered down the system to shift it to another location. It is not loading NeXTStep anymore. Instead of entering the environment, it hangs. The following is the sequence of operations when I try to re-boot it. 1. Reading machine kernel 2. Re-booting by itself 3. Registering all drivers 4. Hangs here!!!!!!!!!! The last message is Sep 27 .. date.. localhost reboot: complete There was a series of Could anybody help me out?? There was a series of power outages some weeks ago, but it succeeded in re-booting in all instances. Thanks in advance. Badri badri@gtsurya.gatech.edu -- Badri Narasimhan Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt8299c Internet: gt8299c@prism.gatech.edu
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT service videos pointer? Message-ID: <2664@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 27 Sep 93 18:04:28 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: cjp@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu Hi, Does anybody know if these are lying around anywhere to be had? (from NeXT parts list) E1043 Service Video $ 33 E1060 Printer Video: Servicing NeXT Printers $ 33 -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mfurey@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: kermit break sequence (Next) Message-ID: <1993Sep27.170640.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Sender: usenet@news.ucs.mun.ca (NNTP server account) Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 20:36:40 GMT I have a next computer and am looking for the break sequence for the communications package called kermit.
From: js@balu.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Date: 27 Sep 1993 11:33:03 GMT Organization: ICEM Systems Message-ID: <286j1f$qtr@balu.hnv.icem.de> References: <gslCDquz4.BAH@netcom.com> <gslCDzAB0.9C2@netcom.com> Greg Lindholm (gsl@netcom.com) wrote: : Greg Lindholm (gsl@netcom.com) wrote: : : Does anyone know if/how to read/write a diskette on NS/FIP using : : cpio or tar such that it can be interchanged with other unix systems? : Following up on my on article: : I've had no response on this question. Does this mean that you : can't do it or does nobody know or care? Surely being able to exchange : data with another unix system via floppy is a desirable thing. Right you are. But I seem to remember tar-ing to floppies is quite low-level, at least in the good (?) old days of XeniX it was incompatible as anything. Good Luck anyways. Juergen -- _ _ Juergen Sell E-Mail juergen.sell@icem.de ' | (_ Icem Systems ( NeXTMail welcome ) ,| _) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 (_| BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 27 Sep 1993 16:26:40 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <287i9t$dof@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:26:54 EDT From: <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93270.1626543179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING (AGAIN) References: <28599h$jh7@turin.research.otc.com.au> <CE0s8v.B08@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Hi, JANA Publishing is alive and well, There was some problems with E-Mail link, try info@jana.com. Also the next disk should be out in about 10 - 15 days. Jana Publishing is working on lot of other products, watch the announce group for updates. MAY _ JUN issue was not made to lack of software, the next issues JUL-AUG should go out with abouve 80 megs of software. Jay PS : I founded JANA Publishing, but I do not play a active role, if you need more info, please E-Mail info@jana.com adn not me at this address since this is a educational site.
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 8bit color driver for S3-805 graphics card Message-ID: <150136@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 27 Sep 93 20:12:15 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, I'm considering buying a DECpc 466 to run NSI. The machine would have the S3-805 video card, and the Hardware compatability guide says that some driver is needed to support 8bit color on this card. Is the S3 driver available? Does it really work? If so, where do I get it? Any help much appreciated. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) Subject: HP LaserJet 4si ppd file Message-ID: <1993Sep27.213549.2284@news.nd.edu> Keywords: laserjet,hp, ppd Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:35:49 GMT Anyone know where I can get a ppd file for an HP LaserJet 4Si printer? -- Matthew J. Grismer M M JJJJJJJJJJ GGGGGGGG 300 Cushing Hall MM MM J G University of Notre Dame M M M M J G GGGG e-mail: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu M M M M J G G NeXTmail preferred M M M M J J G G M MM M JJJJJ GGGGGGGG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: man pages display in Digital Librarian Message-ID: <1993Sep26.233434.1452@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <2757b3$n8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 23:34:34 GMT In article <2757b3$n8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: > In article <CDBroL.MrK@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> manzara@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Leonard > Manzara) writes: > <stuff deleted about `ixbuild -g' description feature not working in 3.1> > > Under 3.1, this seems not to work anymore. In fact, > > the system-supplied man pages don't use the whatis description, > > and the man pages are listed like so: > > > > man1/grep.1 > > > This is a bug and I guess a lot of people have "bugged" NeXT already, I know I > have... Let's hope it gets fixed in 3.2... > It will be fixed in 3.2! ... said next_bug :-) -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: COMPUSERVE FOR NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Sep20.234214.25062@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <60.27222.4902.0N183E58@canrem.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 23:42:14 GMT In article <60.27222.4902.0N183E58@canrem.com> writes: >> >> FYI: I just learned that Advance 2000 is completing the CompuServe >>Information Manager for NEXTSTEP...should be intresting!! >> >> (Food for your thoughts?!) >> >> Damon F. Cooper >> >>--- >>* UniQWK v2.1 * The Windows Mail Reader Finally...Been waitin' for this one a long time (seriously!) -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Message-ID: <1993Sep23.133933.25025@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Sep23.012831.15103@bmers95.bnr.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 13:39:33 GMT In article <1993Sep23.012831.15103@bmers95.bnr.ca> hlam@bmerh170.bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) writes: >> >>The subject says it all. And how much? >> >> >> >>Hayward YES! - e-mail info@parcplace.com -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhough@qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Subject: Screen Saver under NS/I? Message-ID: <jhough.749172314@qualcom> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 23:25:14 GMT Why is it that if I leave Nextstep sitting at the login screen, a screen saver with the next logo will kick in after a few minutes. However, if I login, it never comes on? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough | jhough@qualcomm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Oops, second try was: not even slightly involved with NeXT other than just down 101... Message-ID: <1993Sep27.162019.18381@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <27vnkl$9lj@fermat.mayo.edu> <2823q2INNiee@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <28259g$p9s@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:20:19 GMT In article <28259g$p9s@fermat.mayo.edu> brunk@feynman (Geoff Brunkhorst) writes: >I was surprized that the evening news here even followed up with a >report of this... However, the morning NPR news (I guess they are usually >more reliable about these sorts of things stated it a "computer hacker >faxing to several news agencies." My read on it was that someone >in San Jose (not NPR) said that, and they just read the press release. > >Anyway, It certainly scared a lot of people here (you should have seen >the Profs address list of internal IBM addresses), since one of IBM's >local divisions (AdStar) is transfering a lot of function from Rochester >to San Jose (along with a lot of people). > >- Geoff >"Is it unethetical to post "*_FIRE_*" to the rec.arts.movies newsgroup?" >-- > >- Geoff >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu This is an urban legend. It was going around Dallas like wildfire last weekend. It is completely untrue. DPD issued a statement (extremely rare for them to repond to anything like this) stating it was untrue. If you see someone with their lights out, be a good citizen, and let them know. Peace -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Message-ID: <1993Sep24.134259.17060@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <27ubf0$h6u@disuns2.epfl.ch> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 13:42:59 GMT In article <27ubf0$h6u@disuns2.epfl.ch> madon@disuns2.epfl.ch (Dominik Madon) writes: >>Eric P. Scott (eps@futon.SFSU.EDU) wrote: >>: We paid US$350 for a copy received in late July. That may have >>: been a special price--I don't know. >> >>This copy was for Intel or Motorola (or both)? Our >>lab is looking for an evaluation version for Intel >>processor. The third party book in the NS package >>indicates a release FIP in december. But there isn't >>any email address inside. Did anybody knows Parkplace's >>email ? >> >>We are using currently VisualWorks on Sparcs and PCs. >>It's a very good product. >> >> >>Dominik >> Yes. info@parcplace.com -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Parcplace Systems e-mail, snailmail addresses (Smalltalk vendor) Message-ID: <1993Sep24.141150.19061@dvorak.amd.com> Keywords: VisualWorks, Smalltalk Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 14:11:50 GMT Well, I keep getting requests for this stuff so I thought I'd post it Any and all product information can be had by e-mailing: info@parcplace.com Their (snail) mail address is: 999 E. Arques Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94086-4593 Telephone: (408) 481-9090 I do not know if ObjectWorks/VisualWorks is available for white (NeXTSTEP) hardware. It is currently available for black (NeXT) hardware. I do not know if ParcPlace intends to port (or just re-compile??) to NeXTSTEP/Intel. It is available today under Windows3.1 and OS/2 as well as Macintosh, Suns, HP, DEC (Ultrix), and others. No, it does not emulate the NeXTSTEP look and feel. It does however run inside NeXTSTEP windows. I does however have the ability to emulate Motif, CUA, Windows, OpenLook, and ParcPlace's own look and feel. It is - without a doubt - a way cool product. (and on a personal note...there are only two OO environments on the planet that I will <and do> use. One is NeXTSTEP. The other is VisualWorks. Just so you know where I stand :) ) Hope this helps. -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: meyebru1@elof.acc.iit.edu (Brucha S. Meyers) Subject: Question about using signatures in NeXt Mail... Message-ID: <1993Sep27.235903.25918@iitmax.iit.edu> Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 23:59:03 GMT When I'm using the Mail program on my school's NeXT console, how should I set up my signature file so that it's appended to my messages? I mean, what should I name it, where in my directory should I put it, how can I get the mail program to recognize that it exists, etc.... BTW--- This is for NeXT mail only... the signature for elm (when I'm using a terminal instead of a console) works fine... (Also, I'm a fairly new user.. please, no particularly complicated answers!) Brucha S. Meyers meyebru1@elof.iit.edu -- nnbjjnmmnn mnjkm,mm,mmmnmnm mnmm,mkn mmnbjjnmmnn mnjkm,mm,mmmnmnm mnmm,mkn mmnbjjnmmnn mnjkm,mm,mmmnmnm mnmm,mkn mmnbjjnmmnn mnjkm,mm,mmmnmnm mnmm,mkn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING (AGAIN) Message-ID: <1993Sep28.062135.22544@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <28599h$jh7@turin.research.otc.com.au> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 06:21:35 GMT In article <28599h$jh7@turin.research.otc.com.au> michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au (Michael Lofquist) writes: [...] > Does Jana Publishing exist ? [...] > And can I have the next issue of the News CDROM ?? Yeah, I miss my copy, too. Are you listening? Is it just us overseas customers that don't get their CDs? -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: X-windows type service in NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Sep28.124528.4670@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 12:45:28 GMT I like the fact that the clients and servers in X windows can be distributed over a network. Where I work, it would be great to access a remote database using a graphical interface, and X lends itself well to this. My question, is can the same thing be done on a NeXT? It'd be great if a NeXT program on my machine could be accessed by another NeXT on the Internet for example and have the receiving machine do all the window management so that only data was sent across the network. If this is possible now - where can I go for more info? Also, here's another thing I like about X. I can open a window and connect with one remote machine and do some work. Then I can open another window with another remote machine concurrently. I can open numerous windows to remote machines all over one connection to the Internet. Is this a service provided by X or by TCP/IP or both? If my NeXT were connected to the Internet via SLIP, would I be able to do this with it, using multiple Terminal windows? Rich
From: nathalie@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu (S. T. Nathalie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sequent,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti,comp.sys.unisys,comp.sys.xerox,comp.sys.zenith,comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: Book Review Date: 28 Sep 1993 08:21:47 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas - Austin Distribution: inet Message-ID: <289dpb$no4@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu> BOOK RATING: Highly Recommended. (9.4 on a scale from 1 to 10) > Title: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: MODELING THE SUPPLY OF > WORKSTATIONS AND THEIR COMPONENTS > Author: W.R. Touma, Ph.D. > Publisher: Kluwer Academic Publishers This book is a must read for Engineers, Economists, Scientists, CEOs & Managers of high tech corporations, or anybody interested in acquiring a new computer system--whether a mainframe, a workstation, or a portable; it is written with such style and clarity that a computer illiterate could find it interesting to read and easy to understand. In my opinion, this book will be a worthwhile addition to a computer owner's library. Chapter 2, for instance, presents the most comprehensive and detailed analysis of the computer industry and all the components that make the computer workstation what it is today. All the technology drivers affecting the attributes (ex: cost, performance...) of the computer and the attributes of all of its components (ICs, Hard Disk, Display, and Operating System) are presented. Furthermore, the book will help the reader make a better choice of a computer platform in the future, and what kind of performance features to look for, instead of the computer jargon that all the newspapers and magazines keep confusing us with. From the results included, one would be able to estimate how much would a megabyte of DRAM or Magnetic Hard Disk cost in 1993, 1994.. and how much would a CRT with a 10,000 pixels/sq.inch resolution cost in 1993,1994.. The sheer amount of data collected made this book worth my while, and at a very affordable cost (with a 30% discount--see below--I paid $48.96 + TSH) when compared to the cost of reports that a professional data collection agency charges (> $8,000). > BOOK INFO: > > THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: MODELING THE SUPPLY OF > WORKSTATIONS AND THEIR COMPONENTS, by Walid R. Touma, Ph.D. Kluwer > Academic Publishers, Norwell, MA. Bibliographical References, Index. > 235 pp. $69.95. Navy leather hard cover, gold embossed. > ISBN: 0-7923-9331-7. > > > The book is being sold with a 30% discount at: > > Technologies & Computer Consultants > 1741 Spyglass Drive, Suite 227 > Austin, Texas 78746 > Phone: (512) 327-5196 > Fax: (512) 327-7491 > > To get more info on the book, please send e-mail to: > touma@cerc.utexas.edu. I ordered the book from a company in town (Austin), Technologies & Computer Consultants; the staff was very courteous and extremely professional. I received my book within 4 days from the date I sent my check in, well packaged and presented. (I understand that Technologies & Computer Consultants is accepting orders by credit card now; I was notified by phone after I had sent my check in, however.) S. T. Nathalie UT SB&C P.S. The book's preface is one of the most effective half page prefaces I have read in a long time. Two Thumbs UP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (Smal From: damon.cooper@canrem.com (Damon Cooper) Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.27404.4902.0N184C1B@canrem.com> References: <27ubf0$h6u@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 20:16:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) >This copy was for Intel or Motorola (or both)? Our >lab is looking for an evaluation version for Intel >processor. The third party book in the NS package >indicates a release FIP in december. But there isn't >any email address inside. Did anybody knows Parkplace's >email ? I am also interested in this product...if you have any info, please pass it along...Thanks! Damon F. Cooper Systems Engineer Client/Server Development EDS --- * UniQWK v2.1 * The Solution for Multilingual Messages
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shawn@monitor.com Subject: Re: Is VisualWorks (SmallTalk) available on NeXT black hardware? Message-ID: <CE2Jur.LB@monitor.com> Sender: shawn@monitor.com (Shawn Broderick) Organization: Monitor Company / IE References: <1993Sep24.134259.17060@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:49:38 GMT some random data...... VW indeed does exist on moto NeXT. it does not currently exist on intel NeXT and they have not committed to doing that port. i would seriously talk to them about support of black hardware. they have not indicated definitively one way or the other on this, but it's for sure not on the top of their priority lists. organizations with multi-platform products will add and delete platforms over time. my read on the situation (OPINION!) is that they won't do the NSFIP port until they see NSFIP selling oodles of copies. my guess is that the black hardware port was either a grass-roots effort or a Goldberg/Jobs agreement, and i doubt they've made a bundle on the black version. i'd guess that the black version didn't do much for them so they're not going to feet-first NSFIP like they did moto. VW is a great smalltalk. those NS programmers out there will probably be a bit frustrated by the UI architecture though. there's a new version coming out in the near future that is purported to address some of those issues (and others). general caveat: any software vendor who is not NS specific is going to be questioning the value of supporting black hardware (35K-50K units - declining). shawn -------------------------------------------------------- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering shawn@monitor.com (617) 252-2090 -------------------------------------------------------- FADE IN A tenement building on Manhattan's Lower East Side. Early morning traffic is audible, as is the cry of the fishmongers. -------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------------- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering shawn@monitor.com
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT-->Ledger paper printing--- Anybody done it? Date: 28 Sep 1993 17:37:28 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <289soo$kgg@fermat.mayo.edu> Keywords: printing postscript DEC LPS20 ledger I have a DEC LPS20Turbo printer connected via a VAXcluster with TCP/IP. All the functions print fine now (thanks to _nxfinalform!), except for Ledger printing. Since we do a lot of poster graphics, and abstract layouts, the ability to print ledger is very important. I have narrowed it down to two basic problems: 1) The PostScript output seems to generate landscape mode where the 17" edge of the page is top/bottom. The DEC printer seems to think landscape mode is perpendicular to 'common use orientation', which in ledgers, well, common use of ledgers is with the 17" side defining the top/bottom. This may very well be a problem with the DEC printer firmware, however. This is no problem for my graphics program (Diagram!), as I can easily draw in one dimension and then rotate the whole beast into portrait... BUT... 2) NeXT can't print Ledger sized pages in NeXT portrait mode. Even in Preview mode, the page gets chopped off at 11 inches top to bottom, so you end up with 6 inches of whitespace at the top of your postscript window... This is consistent in Draw, Diagram, and WordPerfect... A) Does anyone know of a simple workaround? B) Does anyone know if NeXT admits to this problem? (I filed to bug_next which is not a warm/fuzzy way of reporting bugs... - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sequent,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti,comp.sys.unisys,comp.sys.xerox,comp.sys.zenith,comp.windows.misc From: mjohnson@netcom5.Netcom.COM (Mark Johnson) Subject: Re: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: Book Review In-Reply-To: nathalie@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu's message of 28 Sep 1993 08:21:47 -0500 Message-ID: <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM> Sender: mjohnson@netcom.com (Mark Johnson) Organization: Netcom, where Usenet costs only 19 dollars a month References: <289dpb$no4@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:39:08 GMT In article <289dpb$no4@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu>, nathalie@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu (S. T. Nathalie) post an article from >Organization: The University of Texas - Austin >NNTP-Posting-Host: foghorn.cc.utexas.edu This article is a toadying bit of sycophantic praise, thinly disguised as a review of the book >Title: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: MODELING THE SUPPLY OF > WORKSTATIONS AND THEIR COMPONENTS > Author: W.R. Touma, Ph.D. > touma@cerc.utexas.edu. You just have to wonder what's gotten into them boys down there at the University of Texas. Maybe W.R. Touma is an extremely difficult professor, so his grad students seek to butter him up by kissing his ass in a public forum? Perhaps he is influential in tenure decisions and nervous junior colleagues are attempting to curry favor by praising his book? Maybe he is beginning a consulting business and is using the "good reviews" of his book to impress clients and/or investors? I find it hard to dismiss that every single remark made in favor of this book, has eminated from persons employed by the University of Texas. The predecessor Usenet article included written remarks from three U. of T. professors, plus those of the (wisely) anonymous UT poster. And now this article makes five. Now MAYBE it is indeed a wonderful book, perhaps even a classic text whose destiny is to outsell Charles Darwin, Linus Pauling, Stephen Jay Gould, William Davidow, Tom Peters, and Paul Samuelson combined. Perhaps it is worthy of the praise that vomits forth from Austin Texas at prodigious rates. But if so, wouldn't you expect to find a favorable review of it from somewhere OTHER than the University of Texas? Not surprisingly, you can buy this book at a 30% discount. From an address in ... you guessed it ... Austin Texas. > > Technologies & Computer Consultants > 1741 Spyglass Drive, Suite 227 > Austin, Texas 78746 > Phone: (512) 327-5196 > Fax: (512) 327-7491 --- M. Johnson, lover of "The Ballad of Charlie Whitman" by K. Friedman.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov (Howard C. Smith) Subject: .table file format Message-ID: <1993Sep28.174848.27226@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health References: <1993Sep23.185637.4492@corona.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:48:48 GMT In article <1993Sep23.185637.4492@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: > Robert.Claeson@sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) writes: > > What *is* /NextLibrary/Addresses/User.addresses and other files ending with > > addresses? What is it used for? Do I need to mess with it? Can I create new > > addresses files? How? Why should I want to do that? In a related vein: Is the nextstep .table file format documented anywere? Is there a parser available somewhere on the system to extract the data elements from this file format? Can this format be "compiled"? How does this file format interact with .nib sections? This format is certainly minimalist and extremely useful (used throughout the system): find / -name \*.table -print /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/ClassToBundle.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/ClassToIcon.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/ConnectInspectorName.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/DocumentTools.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/EditorName.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/HelpInspectorName.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/InspectorName.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/ProjectConstants.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/SizeInspectorName.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/classes.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/firstResponder.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/images.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/paletteMenus.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/paletteTextViews.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/paletteViews.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/paletteWindows.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app/sounds.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/Application.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/Bundle.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/English.lproj/project.templates/Palette/ CustomPalette.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/English.lproj/project.templates/Palette/ English.lproj/T.nib/initdata.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/KeyToExtension.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/KeyToMakeVar.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/KeyToSubkeys.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/KeyToSuitcase.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/Palette.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/ProjectBuilder.table /NextDeveloper/Apps/ProjectBuilder.app/Subproject.table /NextDeveloper/Examples/DatabaseKit/BarChart/palette.table /NextDeveloper/Examples/DatabaseKit/BarChart/BarChart.palette/palette.table /NextDeveloper/Palettes/DatabaseKit.palette/palette.table /NextLibrary/Addresses/User.addresses/AddressBook.table /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/DriverInspector/Default.table /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/DriverKit/Example/USRDEVICES/myTest Driver.config/Default.table /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/DriverKit/Example/USRDEVICES/myTest Driver.config/Instance0.table /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/DriverKit/Example/USRDEVICES/myTest Driver.config/Instance1.table /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/Viewer.table /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/addresses.bundle/Addresses.table /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/processes.bundle/CPMVAlerts.table /usr/template/user/Library/Addresses/Example.addresses/AddressBook.table I'm asking because I have a ascii file parser/database manager I wrote some time ago which reads/writes a similar looking file data structures. Is this format possibly a temporary fix, as a precursor to a true OS/OODB? NeXTstep 4.0? I'm also curious as to why this file format is necessary, given that netinfo allows similar oo structure in a true database (non-flat file)... database = "address db" record "Joe Shmoe" = { age = 25 weight = 230 height = "5'6\"" } .. -- Howard C. Smith National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences 111 T.W. Alexander Drive Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov (919) 541-7594
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Alt- and Control command FAQ?(was:Re: Little Annoying Nextstep 3.1 thing) Message-ID: <1993Sep28.173630.28244@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <288lra$f80@ftp.alleg.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:36:30 GMT Timothy J. Luoma writes > > There have been a number of people lately talking about things you can > do with the alt key or the control key (move your recycler off the dock; > drag files over the dock, not behind; link files and folders; etc) > > I was wondering if there is some place where all these commands are > listed, or if someone could compile such a list. > In the Workspace, try Info->Help?->"Working with Files and Folders"... -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu --> NeXT Mail accepted at wave@nordine.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: Book Review Message-ID: <1993Sep28.191544.24337@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM> Distribution: inet Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 19:15:44 GMT In article <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM> mjohnson@netcom5.Netcom.COM (Mark Johnson) writes: >> >>In article <289dpb$no4@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu>, >>nathalie@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu (S. T. Nathalie) >>post an article from >> >> >Organization: The University of Texas - Austin >> >NNTP-Posting-Host: foghorn.cc.utexas.edu >> >>This article is a toadying bit of sycophantic praise, >>thinly disguised as a review of the book >> >> >Title: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: MODELING THE SUPPLY OF >> > WORKSTATIONS AND THEIR COMPONENTS >> >> > Author: W.R. Touma, Ph.D. >> > touma@cerc.utexas.edu. >> >> >>You just have to wonder what's gotten into them >>boys down there at the University of Texas. >> >>Maybe W.R. Touma is an extremely difficult professor, >>so his grad students seek to butter him up by >>kissing his ass in a public forum? Perhaps he >>is influential in tenure decisions and nervous >>junior colleagues are attempting to curry favor by >>praising his book? Maybe he is beginning a >>consulting business and is using the "good reviews" >>of his book to impress clients and/or investors? >> >>I find it hard to dismiss that every single remark >>made in favor of this book, has eminated from >>persons employed by the University of Texas. >>The predecessor Usenet article included written >>remarks from three U. of T. professors, plus those >>of the (wisely) anonymous UT poster. And now this >>article makes five. >> >>Now MAYBE it is indeed a wonderful book, perhaps >>even a classic text whose destiny is to outsell >>Charles Darwin, Linus Pauling, Stephen Jay Gould, >>William Davidow, Tom Peters, and Paul Samuelson >>combined. Perhaps it is worthy of the praise >>that vomits forth from Austin Texas at prodigious >>rates. But if so, wouldn't you expect to find >>a favorable review of it from somewhere OTHER than >>the University of Texas? I tell ya' what... I'll give you my impressions after I read it. And, since I'm from Texas A&M you can rest assured I'll have no bias towards anyone/anything that has to do with t.u. (err...UT). :-) -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing bar codes on envelopes? Date: 28 Sep 1993 20:30:52 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <28a6ts$g4e@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Is there an app out there that will print out envelopes and the zip-code associated bar code? I was just reading WordPerfect The Magazine (Sep '93) that WP supports printing envelopes and bar codes according to the USPS 11-digit delivery point barcode specs. Unfortunately I think this publication is more relevant to PC users than to NeXT machines. Does anybody know what's the latest WP version for the NeXT and will it do barcodes? If you also can provide the latest price (edu) for WP that'd be great. Thanks, Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | #include <std/disclaimer.h> -- -- | #include <std/apologies.h> -- -- Texas A&M University | #include <std/salutations.h> -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | #include <std/asbestos.h> --
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 16:36:44 GMT References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> Organization: QueerNet In article <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes: >The release of the brand name is good, but how important is the release of >the interface specification? Doesn't POSIX serve that purpose? If it >doesn't, shouldn't it? Unlike POSIX, the proposed interface specification was delivered quickly, and was determined based on the ability to build existing important applications. The current POSIX work is not complete enough to build a single real-world application. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy: the refusal of joy." -- Paul Rudnick
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Message-ID: <CE2oz2.566@queernet.org> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 16:40:13 GMT References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CDtHps.CFr@telly.on.ca> Organization: QueerNet In article <CDtHps.CFr@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >There's been a big gap between POSIX's limited spec and X/Open's >all-encompassing one. > >The one under discussion, I believe, is the (formerly USL) System V >definition known as SVID. Actually, the interface in question includes SVID-3, XPG4, the OSF AES, plus some other features determined by use in major applications. It's more complete than XPG4. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy: the refusal of joy." -- Paul Rudnick
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) Subject: Re: Novell plans for Unix Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> Message-ID: <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 21:41:08 GMT In article <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >The current POSIX work is not complete enough to build a >single real-world application. gcc. gas. gld. binutils. All of those can be built in a POSIX-only environment. Any other fallacies you wish to spread?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Printing bar codes on envelopes? Message-ID: <1993Sep28.211647.8895@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <28a6ts$g4e@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 21:16:47 GMT Andrew Duchowski writes > Is there an app out there that will print out envelopes and > the zip-code associated bar code? InTouch and SBook both do this. Demos of both are on the archives. (they also both do a lot more). -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Message-ID: <1993Sep28.202706.6320@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 28 Sep 93 20:27:06 GMT References: <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <2881it$jns@agate.berkeley.edu> <288ci1$bn3@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Maurice Shihadi (maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu) wrote: : I order my upgrade today and learne that one must receive and : register their new copy BEFORE the end of the month or end up with a : non registerable copy. I suppose this means that the upgrade would have to Just a note: According to Conrad's announcement, if you register by the end of October you get a free upgrade to 3.2. Maurice's statement can be read as meaning that you have to receive and register the upgrade by the end of September (at least that's what I thought the first time.)
From: randy@targa.cso.uiuc.edu (Randall Cotton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: voice communication via NextStation? Date: 28 Sep 1993 23:35:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <28ahnf$1u1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Say, It seems to me it would be easy to write a simple communicator program for users with NeXT machines to speak with each other real-time (more or less) over the net. Has this been done? This could be useful in saving long-distance charges, for instance, assuming you have the appropriate network bandwidth.
From: hans@symbas.UUCP (Hans Aafloy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Message-ID: <3831@symbas.UUCP> Date: 28 Sep 93 12:16:13 GMT References: <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Organization: LindMac A/S, Trondheim, Norway In article <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: >I'm gonna spend my $174 dollars tommorrow to upgrade from 3.0 and >was wondering; aside from from the obvious, is there some other reason >why NeXT is pretty much forcing users to upgrade now instead of waiting >for NS 4.0 > All of my software runs fine under 3.0 >Buying upgrades in between seems a little strange when we'd never use those >upgrades. NS 3.1 will never leave its box and that seems wasteful to me. >Any other thoughts? At present, I'm evaluating the 3.1 ( both black and white ), but haven't found any reason to upgrade the black ones yet. We're reasonable happy with 3.0, so why change a winning team ?? Generally upgrades should be avoided when possible, as they seldom solve more problems than they introduce. hans
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Date: 28 Sep 1993 20:41:04 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <28a7h0$b5@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <2881it$jns@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2881it$jns@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > I just got ours today and sent in the reg cards, and now wondering if > I should bother installing them now or wait for 3.2. > If it is a hussle I would wait for the 3.2 release, I consider NS3.1 not so necessary that one cannot live without it for another month (since NS3.2 seems to get out the beginning of November). Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fssmr@elmer.alaska.edu (leper) Subject: CDPlayer.app can't find drive Message-ID: <fssmr.36.749260747@elmer.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: big green glow in the dark Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:59:07 GMT Basically I'm clueless, CDPlayer works fine from root, but it can't find the CD Rom drive from any of the user accounts. Thanks
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: REPOST - Steve Jobs at German UNIX User Group Event Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:53:15 -0800 Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-280993175315@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Sep27.205159.2709@qb.rhein-main.de> In article <1993Sep27.205159.2709@qb.rhein-main.de>, vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) wrote: > I don't think this one made it out into the world, so I'll repost: > > Our favorite Steve delivered the keynote speech at the German UNIX > fair "GUUG (German UNIX User Group) Messe" (Sept. 14). [long, descriptive summary] Thanks. I needed that! -- Don __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: voice communication via NextStation? Date: 29 Sep 1993 01:38:50 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Message-ID: <28aova$a7g@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> References: <28ahnf$1u1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <28ahnf$1u1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Randall Cotton <r-cotton@uiuc.edu> wrote: % Say, % % It seems to me it would be easy to write a simple communicator program for % users with NeXT machines to speak with each other real-time (more or less) % over the net. Has this been done? This could be useful in saving long- % distance charges, for instance, assuming you have the appropriate network % bandwidth. Check out CB.app on the archives. Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | #include <std/disclaimer.h> -- -- | #include <std/apologies.h> -- -- Texas A&M University | #include <std/salutations.h> -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | #include <std/asbestos.h> --
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: List of International NEXTSTEP Distributors Date: 29 Sep 1993 01:51:00 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <28apm4$meb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Many people have inquired about where to find NEXTSTEP internationally. This brief list of international NEXTSTEP distributors should help: Sweden: Upnod Network AB KarlsbodavYgen 9-11 Box 20 161 S-161 02 Bromma Tel.: +46 8 635 3000 Fax: +46 8 987 067 Italy: Intersoft Via Prarostino, 16 I-10143 Torino Tel.: +39 11 77 14 888 Fax: +39 11 77 14 108 Switzerland: Andes Informatique SA Cntes de Montbenon 8 CH - 1003 Lausanne Tel.: +41 21 311 5757 Fax: +41 21 312 9195 Workstation ag Rohrstrasse 36/38 CH-8152 Glattbrugg Tel: +41 1 828 9555 Fax: +41 1 828 9570 France: TERRA NOVA Technologies La Bastide Verte - BP 345 ZI Toulon Est F-83077 Toulon Cedex 9 Tel.: +33 94 758 383 Fax: +33 94 081 538 SOLENT Immeuble Le Strat\ge Z.A. du Mill\naire F-34000 Montpellier Tel.: +33 67 697 414 Fax: +33 67 697 491 Cub'x Syst\mes S.A. 7, rue E. & A. Peugeot F-92563 Rueil Malmaison Cedex Tel.: +33 1 47 08 7440 Fax: +33 1 47 08 7441 Germany: dBArt Computer GmbH Virchowstr. 17-19 D-22767 Hamburg Tel.: +49 40 380 230 Fax: +49 40 380 23290 Computer 2000 Deutschland GmbH Baierbrunner Str. 31 D-81379 Muenchen Tel.: +49 89 724900 Fax: +49 89 72490200 UK: Penny and Evans Limited 6-10 Askew Crescent Workshops 2A Askew Crescent London W12 9DP Tel.: +44 81 746 1146 Fax: +44 81 746 1169 Bytech Systems Limited 5 the sterling Centre Eastern Road Bracknell Berks RG12 2PW Tel.: +44 344 55 333 Fax: +44 344 86 7270 Lucky Goldstar International Logix Technology (Europe) Ltd. C P House 97-107 Uxbridge Rd Ealing, London W5 5TL Tel.: +44 81 579 8877 Fax: +44 81 840 1658 Netherlands: Interpersonal Computing Group Rijnzathe 7 3454 PV De Meern Tel.: +31 3406 21225 Fax: +31 3406 21145 Belgium: AMCCS 21, boucle des Metiers B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel.: +32 10 455491 Fax: +32 10 455077 Middle East: The Open Solutions Company 1010 rue Sherbrooke ouest, Suite 2200 Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 2R7 Tel.: (514) 849-7364 Fax: (514) 849-6183 All other International Orders should be directed to Jo Jackson at (415)780-3771 or faxed to (415)780-3977. - Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: erik@csn.org (Erik Mugele) Subject: Using HP DeskWriter with Black NeXT Message-ID: <CE3HqJ.5vH@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 03:01:30 GMT I am running NS 3.1 on a slab. I also have an HP DeskWriter (B/W) for a Macintosh (not the HP DeskJet 5xx). I am wondering if it will work with my black hardware and if so what will it take to make it do so? (the cheaper the better :-) TNX, Erik -- Erik Mugele * erik@csn.org * "Vegetarians eat vegetables... * mugele@sil.org * Beware of humanitarians!" Ham Radio: N5XYX * * -- Wisdom of Dr. Bob DoD #: 1030 * 719.550.6188 *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Subject: NeXT accounts at UCDavis Message-ID: <CE39p3.1tt@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Sender: carlos@thinkmuch.dolphin.com (Carlos Salinas) Organization: Deep Breakfast Productions Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 00:07:50 GMT Anybody know: 1. If one can get a NeXT account at UCDavis. 2. How to get a NeXT account (for a gradual student). Thanks! 'Los
From: arrigo@cube.sublink.org (Arrigo Benedetti) Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printing TeX document on a Linotronic 300 Message-ID: <1993Sep26.101857.333@cube.sublink.org> Date: 26 Sep 93 10:18:57 GMT Sender: arrigo@cube.sublink.org Organization: Arrigo Benedetti I need to print my thesis front page on a Linotype Linotronic 300 typesetter. I use CM bitmapped fonts, so I think that I have to specify the resolution in the print dialog box when printing from TeXview. I remember, from my Mac hacking in a previous life, that the Lino has two basic relution, 1270 dpi (?) and 2540 dpi (??). Is 1270 the number I have to type in the ``Custom resolution'' field? Thanks in advance for your help, -Arrigo -- Arrigo Benedetti e-mail: arrigo@cube.sublink.org (preferred) University of Bologna benedett@deis01.cineca.it Tel: (home) +39 59 224929 (office) +39 59 216688 (fax) +39 59 220727 - I WILL DESIGN CHIPS FOR FOOD! -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: NeXT accounts at UCDavis Message-ID: <1993Sep29.044645.24564@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CE39p3.1tt@thinkmuch.dolphin.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 04:46:45 GMT Carlos Salinas writes > Anybody know: > 1. If one can get a NeXT account at UCDavis. > 2. How to get a NeXT account (for a gradual student). ^^^^^^^ Yep, that pretty much describes it! :-) -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: X-windows type service in NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Sep29.044857.1175@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Sep28.124528.4670@selway.umt.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 04:48:57 GMT In article <1993Sep28.124528.4670@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: > I like the fact that the clients and servers in X windows can >be distributed over a network. Where I work, it would be great to >access a remote database using a graphical interface, and X lends itself >well to this. My question, is can the same thing be done on a NeXT? Of course. >It'd be great if a NeXT program on my machine could be accessed by >another NeXT on the Internet for example and have the receiving machine >do all the window management so that only data was sent across the >network. If this is possible now - where can I go for more info? Use -NXHost where X would allow -display. > Also, here's another thing I like about X. I can open a window >and connect with one remote machine and do some work. Then I can open >another window with another remote machine concurrently. I can open >numerous windows to remote machines all over one connection to the >Internet. Is this a service provided by X or by TCP/IP or both? TCP/IP. > If >my NeXT were connected to the Internet via SLIP, would I be able to do >this with it, using multiple Terminal windows? Yes. -=EPS=-
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will NS 3.2 support PCI ? (please :-) Date: 26 Sep 1993 13:35:31 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2842aj$2it@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <6840@darmstadt.gmd.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keywords: PCI, expansion bus, SCSI support, driver support hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de (Holger Hoffstaette) writes: >In issue 10 of the german computer magazine "c't" there are reviews of >various PCI motherboards and graphic cards which are starting to appear in the >wonderful world of PC hardware (a.k.a 'Clone Zone' :-). These boards _really_ >look promising, both in price and esp. in performance (the PCI bus is easily >about 30-50% faster than VLB). Since many of these PCI boards already contain >a good SCSI adapter (NCR 53C810 PT), my question is simply if NeXTSTEP 3.2 >will support this hardware or not. Does anybody know how difficult it is to >write PCI drivers ? Any announcements from hardware manufacturers ? >It would be a real shame if NS 3.2 wouldn't run (fly :-) on such a PCI >clone only because the drivers for SCSI or the (wicked fast) PCI graphic >boards are missing.. There was already a posting in this group that reported a successful NeXTSTEP/Intel installation on a PCI board with saturn 2 chipset. Drivers for on-board PCI-SCSI adapters are not announced yet, but I am looking forward to a PCI board with PCI S3-928P graphics... this combination should work in 3.2. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd Yesterday MS-DOS reformatted my NeXTSTEP partiton.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Subject: Re: What I would want from modem software... Message-ID: <1993Sep27.080731.7295@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:07:31 GMT Hi - > 2. Have one of screen's screens have a NS front-end > of a file viewer. Our application "Transfer" might be just the thing you're looking for. It gives you point-and-click access to e-mail (new and in NeXTmail mailboxes), files and remote command execution - all simultaneously using a dial-up (modem) connection. The app is scheduled to (and will!) ship on October 1st. Until then, you can check out the demo on the cs.orst.edu and nova.cc.purdue.edu archive sites. Also, watch the announce group for information on our continuing introductory special price... Ralph --- Ralph Zazula President Pinnacle Research, Inc. THE NEXTSTEP UTILITY LAB zazula@pri.com (NeXTmail) voice: (602)529-1135 fax: (602)529-0117 / (602)299-9133
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT-->Ledger paper printing--- Anybody done it? Message-ID: <1339@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 29 Sep 93 00:18:22 GMT References: <289soo$kgg@fermat.mayo.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Geoff Brunkhorst writes > I have a DEC LPS20Turbo printer connected via a VAXcluster with TCP/IP. > All the functions print fine now (thanks to _nxfinalform!), except for > Ledger printing. Since we do a lot of poster graphics, and abstract > layouts, the ability to print ledger is very important. I have narrowed > it down to two basic problems: > 1) The PostScript output seems to generate landscape mode where > the 17" edge of the page is top/bottom. Strictly speaking, Ledger is "landscape", and Tabloid is "portrait" for 11x17 output. Try choosing Tabloid instead of Ledger, and it should work. > 2) NeXT can't print Ledger sized pages in NeXT portrait mode. Even in > Preview mode, the page gets chopped off at 11 inches top to bottom, so > you end up with 6 inches of whitespace at the top of your postscript > window... There is a problem with Preview for non-standard page sizes. The actual printing should work okay as long as you choose PostScript For Chosen Printer when you print. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: Printing bar codes on envelopes? Message-ID: <CE37s6.Gt@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <28a6ts$g4e@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:26:29 GMT In article <28a6ts$g4e@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) writes: > Is there an app out there that will print out envelopes and > the zip-code associated bar code? SBook from Sarrus - info@sarrus.com and InTouch.app from SmartSoft - smartsoft@parsec.mixcom.com both also manage address lists, print mailing labels, and dial the phone -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK Message-ID: <1993Sep27.190349.519@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <284rdf$qtq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:03:49 GMT In article <284rdf$qtq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) writes: > Hi. > > I'm trying to build GraphicsWorkshop FAT from the source on nova.cc.purdue.edu. > Unfortunately, NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK seems to be missing from the 3.x include > files. Can I just hard code a value, or does this indicate some greater incompatibility > between 2.x and 3.x programming. > Hi Robert, take a look at the release notes of the AppKit (of 3.1 e.g.): .... The constants NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK and NX_ALLBUTTONS have been removed for 3.0. In place of using NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK, you should create a window with style NX_RESIZEBARSTYLE. In place of NX_ALLBUTTONS you should use (NX_CLOSEBUTTONMASK|NX_MINIATURIZEBUTTONMASK). ..... That's all :-) Gerald -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: .table file format Message-ID: <CE47Iu.tI@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <1993Sep23.185637.4492@corona.com> <1993Sep28.174848.27226@alw.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 12:16:15 GMT Howard C. Smith (smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov) wrote: : Is the nextstep .table file format documented anywere? Is : there a parser available somewhere on the system to extract the : data elements from this file format? Can this format be "compiled"? : How does this file format interact with .nib sections? On NS/Intel the .table is used with a class like NXStringTable within DriverKit. I don't think it is even a reserved extension or has a "formal" format. Am I wrong? : I'm also curious as to why this file format is necessary, given that : netinfo allows similar oo structure in a true database (non-flat file)... Given the above example (DriverKit), I can use sed to correct my configuration problem with a flat (ascii) file. I might have problems editing a binary file that way. I also can be used early in the boot process where netinfo isn't running. Just my thoughts on payday. peter -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Subject: Re: NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK Message-ID: <1993Sep28.133536.3438@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <284rdf$qtq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 13:35:36 GMT In article <284rdf$qtq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) writes: -> Hi. -> -> I'm trying to build GraphicsWorkshop FAT from the source -> on nova.cc.purdue.edu. -> Unfortunately, NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK seems to be missing -> from the 3.x include files. Can I just hard code a -> value, or does this indicate some greater incompatibility -> between 2.x and 3.x programming. -> -> Thanks in advance, -> -> Robert #define NX_CLOSEBUTTONMASK 1 #define NX_MINIATURIZEBUTTONMASK 4 NX_RESIZEBUTTONMASK with NX_TITLEDSTYLE was removed from 3.x in favor of: #define NX_RESIZEBARSTYLE 6 Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com NeXT-mail preferred, MIME-mail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) Subject: Re: voice communication via NextStation? Message-ID: <CE4GM5.1zn@mcs.anl.gov> Sender: usenet@mcs.anl.gov Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois References: <28aova$a7g@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:34:52 GMT In article <28aova$a7g@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) writes: > In article <28ahnf$1u1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, > Randall Cotton <r-cotton@uiuc.edu> wrote: > % Say, > % > % It seems to me it would be easy to write a simple communicator program for > % users with NeXT machines to speak with each other real-time (more or less) > % over the net. Has this been done? This could be useful in saving long- > % distance charges, for instance, assuming you have the appropriate network > % bandwidth. > > Check out CB.app on the archives. > This app seems very flakey. Can't even get two way conversations to work reliably. Anyone know of any other apps that do this or something I may be doing wrong? > Andrew > -- -- Peter A. Korp Assistant Scientist Argonne National Laboratory korp@eid.anl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <CE2K5D.JDq@agedwards.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:56:01 GMT References: <1993Sep27.141823.17977@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Jonathan Hendry (tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu) wrote: : PG (ginsparg@lanl.gov) wrote: : : the flaming lemmings will no doubt complain that neXt is too busy : : trying to survive to bother communicating useful information or : : bug fixes to the exterior via the network. but this is nonsense: : : it is remarkable that nexT, still so far ahead in so many ways, : : has never fully accepted and adopted the network as a communication tool. : One botched post == Nonexistant Net usage. Such logic. : Oh, scuse me. I guess I'm just a lemming. Give me a minute while I jump : off a cliff... Wait for me! I want to go too! Geronimoooooooooo........ : : so posted to comp.sys.hp -- in each case an hp engineer responded via : : e-mail within half a day. that's right, high quality assistance even on : Well, to begin with there are considerably more people at HP than NeXT, : so I'd assume some of them have the time to comb the net looking for your : questions. Agreed. Not that HP personnel don't work, but I would surmise that not *ALL* of them are under the same kinds of deadlines that almost everyone at NeXT is under at the moment. Personally, I'd rather have NeXT personnel working on making deadlines and making code better than combing the Net looking for the proverbial "damsel in distress" (no implications made to the sex of anyone here -- it's just an analogy!). When you post inflammatory remarks like that, it just tends to discourage those who might post. Who knows how many "lurkers" there might be from NeXT? We'll never know if all we greet them with is hostility. My personal thanks to the following people from NeXT who stick out in my mind in terms of posting and e-mail responses (please take no offense if you lurk and your name is not here): Jeff Martin Conrad Geiger Eric Chu Julie Z. (never can spell the last name properly) Steve Jobs (Ohh! How'd that get in there; oh yeah, I had mail from him when I first set up my machine :-) And some oldies but goodies Paula Lorenz (not there anymore) Jimmie Quan (probably not there anymore) -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Message-ID: <CE2Kw8.LCM@agedwards.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 15:12:07 GMT References: <CDzD0r.70q@genoa.com> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Alex Blakemore (alex@cs.umd.edu) wrote: : [good info deleted...not sure who author was] : >Unfortunately you need to be superuser to tar at the NeXT end. You can : >change the permissions of /dev/rfd0b on the NeXT so that non superuser's : >can use the floppy, but this is dangerous, because it leaves NeXT : >mounted volumes unprotected. This could be taken care of quite easily by a setuid shell script (though that is somewhat insecure by nature) that looks like: ------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh if [ $# -lt 3 ]; then echo "usage: $0 <tar-options> <floppy-device> <files...>" >2 exit 1 fi floppy="/dev/rfd0b" options=$1; shift device=$1; shift if [ "$device" != $floppy ]; then echo "$0: can only be used for device $floppy" >2 exit 1 fi exec tar $options $device $@ ------------------------------------------------------------ Make this owned by root, setuid. This could probably be made more secure (by using Perl instead) and more flexible (by creating a wrapper which could go around any command to direct it to the floppy). But, what do you expect for the price you just paid and the 10 minutes it took me to hack it together? This probably ought to move to comp.sys.next.sysadmin... -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: What do these console errors tell me? Date: 29 Sep 1993 16:40:39 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <28cdq7$imk@hub.ucsb.edu> I got the following console errors upon logging in this morning: Sep 29 08:55:37 foxtrot syslog: NXMiniApp: Cannot get bootstrap port : 1102 *** Cannot get task port of process 4915 (error 5) Sep 29 08:55:37 Workspace[4867]: Cannot make connection to /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/AppFinder.tool Sep 29 08:55:37 Workspace[4867]: Cannot create tool app finder tool What are these telling me? I suspect some relationship to my other problem (see my post about the WM dying when loggin in as root). Thanks!! -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: matthew@dyson.ox.ac.uk (Matthew Seaman) Subject: Re: List of International NEXTSTEP Distributors Message-ID: <MATTHEW.93Sep29173746@dyson.ox.ac.uk> In-reply-to: zmonster@athena.mit.edu's message of 29 Sep 1993 01:51:00 GMT Organization: Dyson Perrins Laboratory (Organic Chemistry), Oxford University References: <28apm4$meb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: 29 Sep 1993 16:37:46 GMT In article <28apm4$meb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: Eric> Many people have inquired about where to find NEXTSTEP internationally. Eric> This brief list of international NEXTSTEP distributors should help: [Munch] Eric> UK: Eric> Penny and Evans Limited Eric> 6-10 Askew Crescent Workshops Eric> 2A Askew Crescent Eric> London W12 9DP Eric> Tel.: +44 81 746 1146 Eric> Fax: +44 81 746 1169 [Munch] I believe that Penny and Evans Ltd have gone out of business --- from some time last month. The other two UK distributors are still up and running though. Would any UK NeXT users out there who are in the know care to confirm or deny this? Matthew -- Matthew Seaman <matthew@dyson.ox.ac.uk> Non-NeXT mail <matthew@viriconium.ocms.ox.ac.uk> NeXT mail Inorganic Chemistry Laboratory, S. Parks Rd., Oxford, OX1 3QR, England Tel +44 (0)865 272640 Fax +44 (0)865 272690
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) Subject: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Organization: SCO Canada, Inc. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 17:32:39 GMT Message-ID: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> Sender: news@sco.COM (News administration) In <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >In article <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >>The current POSIX work is not complete enough to build a >>single real-world application. > >gcc. gas. gld. binutils. > >All of those can be built in a POSIX-only environment. > >Any other fallacies you wish to spread? Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas gld and binutils. -- Jim Sullivan SCO Canada, Inc. Toronto, Ontario If you are lucky, you'll experience jim@sco.com, ...!uunet!scocan!jim only 80 individual seasons. Enjoy 416 922 1937 (8397 for fax) them while you can.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> Message-ID: <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 18:07:33 GMT In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. Strawman argument #1: the FSF code isn't a "real" program. Stock defense #1: go to an embedded developers' conference sometime, where crosscompilers are considered necessary applications. Ask around about GNU tools and Cygnus Support. Note that the embedded market is several times larger than the unix market, making it more "real world" than anything SCO does. Strawman argument #2: Oh, who cares, it's only a compiler, it's not a real application. Stock defense #2: Excuse me? What makes a "real" application? I picked gcc and company because those are the ones I'm most familiar with. gcc does everything a "real" application needs to do: it reads input, it starts up commands, it processes input, and it creates output. It even spits out messages to the user a bit. Also, the latest FSF ar can be interactive, to a degree, again using only an ANSI or POSIX environment. Free software tends to be most conforming to standards simply because it gets ported to the most environments -- and the standars, such as POSIX, help free software much more than most other software. But how dare you decide what is "real world"? Oh, did you also know that Cygnus has been discussed in Fortune and the Economist? Both of those, perforce, discuss free software and "GNU." So are you going to stick to your rather foolish comment that "no one [in the real world] knows who the FSF is or what GNU means"? Such arrogance.
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: TIFFs not showing up in NeXTMail messages under NSFIP Message-ID: <21190@news.duke.edu> Date: 29 Sep 93 18:37:07 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Yesterday I composed a NeXTMail message to one of my colleagues on a Turbo Color 32/400 running NS 3.1. I drag-and-dropped several icons into the message to show him what I've been up to. They are all 48x48, 2, 8, and 12-bit TIFFs. When he views the message in NeXTMail on his machine, the icons do not appear! The rest of the message is intact. His machine is a Dell 466/ME 32/400 running NSFIP. When he views the message on black hardware, the icons show up just fine. Is this a new NeXTMail NSFIP bug? Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: "Andrew Luck" <p00078@psilink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 12:46:15 -0400 Organization: Maildrop Delux (v3.5.2 DOS) Message-ID: <2958396304.0.p00078@psilink.com> In-Reply-To: <1993Sep28.202706.6320@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> >DATE: 28 Sep 93 20:27:06 GMT >FROM: Jonathan Hendry <tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu> > >Maurice Shihadi (maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu) wrote: >: I order my upgrade today and learne that one must receive and >: register their new copy BEFORE the end of the month or end up with a >: non registerable copy. I suppose this means that the upgrade would have to > >Just a note: According to Conrad's announcement, if you register by the end >of October you get a free upgrade to 3.2. Maurice's statement can be read as >meaning that you have to receive and register the upgrade by the end of >September (at least that's what I thought the first time.) > Obviously I haven't been following this closely enuf. Would somebody FROM NEXT WHO REALLY KNOWS post the upgrade options for NS AND NSFIP, PLEASE.
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sequent,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti,comp.sys.unisys,comp.sys.xerox,comp.sys.zenith,comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: Book Review Date: 29 Sep 1993 15:15:28 -0500 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Distribution: inet Message-ID: <28cqd0$clq@peaches.cs.utexas.edu> References: <289dpb$no4@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu> <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM> -*---- In article <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM>, Mark Johnson <mjohnson@netcom5.Netcom.COM> wrote: > This article is a toadying bit of sycophantic praise, thinly > disguised as a review of the book ... You just have to wonder > what's gotten into them boys down there at the University of > Texas. I'm not going to tell. > --- M. Johnson, lover of "The Ballad of Charlie Whitman" > by K. Friedman. Be careful, Mark. That ballad is yet another example of a local yokel talking up a local yokel. Russell -- Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody gets busy on the proof.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedar@cedar.demon.co.uk (Cedar Systems) Subject: Getting hold of WriteNow... Distribution: world Organization: Cedar Systems Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 20:04:14 +0000 Message-ID: <749333054snz@cedar.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk I bought a secondhand NeXTStation with NS 3.0 a while ago. I have downloaded some MiniExamples and some of these contain instructions written with WriteNow. I do not have WriteNow on my machine - I am not sure if I should and it was removed before I bought it or whether I have to buy it. I have no need for WriteNow other to read the documentation, so if WriteNow is free, can someone tell me where I can get a copy, or is there any way to convert the files for use with plain old Edit? Paul. -- Cedar Systems
From: bill@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Date: 29 Sep 1993 15:12:39 -0700 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <28d18n$47u@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> References: <HARDY.93Sep25120539@golem.ps.uci.edu> <1993Sep27.021918.24356@newshost.lanl.gov> ginsparg@lanl.gov (PG) writes: >i have a stronger comment. the message came up in newsgrazer as a >uuencoded text file (so again it was necessary to uudecode, untar, etc Oh give me a break. To uudecode a text file in NewsGrazer, just type: command-U You can also do it with the mouse - under Tools, select uudecode. -- Bill Eldridge bill@cognet.ucla.edu 310-206-3960 (3987 fax) More! Better! Faster! (80's motto) x x x x Hot, Toxic, and Shallow! (90's motto) x xx x x Free Rorschach Sig! (interpretation extra) x xx xx x
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Date: 29 Sep 93 22:47:19 GMT Message-ID: <mfausett.749342839@kirin> References: <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <2881it$jns@agate.berkeley.edu> <288ci1$bn3@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993Sep28.202706.6320@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: ..... >Just a note: According to Conrad's announcement, if you register by the end >of October you get a free upgrade to 3.2. Maurice's statement can be read as >meaning that you have to receive and register the upgrade by the end of >September (at least that's what I thought the first time.) I received my user and developer upgrades yesterday. The user registration sheet said "Register by 31 September" for the free 3.2 upgrade. The developer registration sheet said "Register by 31 October". I presume, one or both of these may have been changed since print time...so FYI. Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com
From: long0@ncc.centel.com (Gary Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 8bit color driver for S3-805 graphics card Date: 29 Sep 1993 20:30:47 GMT Organization: Central Telephone Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <28cr9n$1ikf@ncc.centel.com> References: <150136@netnews.upenn.edu> In article <150136@netnews.upenn.edu>, joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writ> |> [MUNCH] |> I'm considering buying a DECpc 466 to run NSI. The machine would have |> the S3-805 video card, and the Hardware compatability guide says that |> some driver is needed to support 8bit color on this card. Is the S3 |> driver available? Does it really work? If so, where do I get it? |> Any help much appreciated. |> Joe Panico |> joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu |> |> The S-3 video should run 16-bit color with the drivers included in iNeXTSTEP 3.1 8-bit greyscale might require an updated driver, which is available at ftp.NeXT.com 8-bit color does not exist for iNeXTSTEP 3.1, but that's not a loss, as 16-bit is far superior. For more info, send e-mail to: NeXTanswers@NeXT.com with a subject: INDEX HELP ASCII and a body: 1157 BEST OF LUCK! Gary Longsine Centel should be held blameless for my silly posting.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: Accents Message-ID: <oorient.749342188@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Summary: How to make work some of the combinations... Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Information Services, Sydney University, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 22:36:28 GMT I need some accent combinations, eg. caron + c, ogonek + a, any accent + c, etc. The NeXT user reference ( Appendix E ) says that not all applications support all allowed accent + character combinations. The problem rather is which applications do? Also, is there any utility to deal with the problem, ie first by making those unsupported combinations supported and secondly, by assigning a two stroke macro to a key? ( I use NS 3.0)., I would be grateful for all hints. Piotr Palacz Consultant Object Oriented Pty Ltd Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: HELP: New ATI driver problems Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 29 Sep 93 14:56:58 PDT Message-ID: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> Summary: New ATI driver problems Today I received via anon ftp from the ftp.next.com site the new ATI Drivers for supporting the higher resolution displays for Intel GX Professional workstations. I just installed the driver and initially selected the 60hZ option for 1120x832 "RGB 555/15" display. I rebooted the machine and when it came up, it was WONDERFUL to see the good ol' NeXT-style resoltion on the machine. I thought everything was fine until I logged on and started moving windows around. The screen fills with horizontal lines and generally goes awry at the slightest movement of a menu, icon, or window. So I thought maybe I needed to switch to the 68hZ option. So I re-ran Configure.app, reconfigured for the higher refresh rate, and rebooted. I still get the garbage on the screen. What's wrong? Is it that this Driver is buggy, or is my machine broken, or what? Any suggestions, comments, help, or advice is welcome and appreciated! I will post a summary after a couple days. -- brian dear -- coconut computing, inc -- brian@coconut.com --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: crespo@vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Sep29171715@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> In-Reply-To: coconut@crash.cts.com's message of 29 Sep 93 14:56:58 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 00:17:14 GMT References: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD I don't think it is your machine, I have the same problem... i. --
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,comp.sys.next.misc From: deadman@netcom.com (Ben Haller) Subject: Looking for a *real* Greek PostScript font Message-ID: <deadmanCE53xA.8z0@netcom.com> Organization: Stick Software Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 23:58:22 GMT Hello all. First, please note I do not regularly read either of these groups, so please reply directly to me at deadman@netcom.com. If there are requests for copies of the responses I get, send them to me, don't post. So. My question is: is there a good PostScript font out there that can handle real Greek? I'm looking for rough/smooth breathing marks and accents on vowels, iota subscripts, that sort of thing. Maybe just a modification to the Symbol font that adds these things? Anybody? Any recommendations as to a better group to ask on? Thanks. -Ben Haller (deadman@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING (AGAIN) Message-ID: <CE3ICx.1tE@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! References: <1993Sep28.062135.22544@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 03:14:56 GMT In article <1993Sep28.062135.22544@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: > In article <28599h$jh7@turin.research.otc.com.au> > michaell@swdev.research.otc.com.au (Michael Lofquist) writes: > [...] > > Does Jana Publishing exist ? > [...] > > And can I have the next issue of the News CDROM ?? > > Yeah, I miss my copy, too. Are you listening? Is it just us > overseas customers that don't get their CDs? I got three issues, from the first on, by now. Jan-Feb, Mar-Apr (completely containing the Jan-Feb issue, and containing Linux stuff I really don't need), and May-Jun (with Linux again). I didn't 'know' about the Linux stuff when I subscribed. I understand that I rather wait a bit for a new issue than get a CD that holds not more than there would fit on an ED disk. As long as I get 12 CDs for my 2 years subscription that should be ok. Now what I don't like (but it seems neccessary with all these complains here) is that Jay has announced that there will be a disc soon that holds 80 MB of software. Isn't there more? Haven't checked ftp for a while. I presume that these 80 MB will go onto the next issue too, since there's so much room. When my two years subscription is used up, I'll probably have CDs with about 100 MB of new software, 100 MB old software and 100 MB useless (Linux) software. Well, at least the subscription is quite cheap, something that probably can only be achieved by enlarging the customer base with Linux users. So I'll accept the Linux part. Uli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Message-ID: <CE56z3.B7u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN References: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 01:04:14 GMT In article <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash>, Brian Dear <brian@coconut.com> wrote: > >I just installed the driver and initially selected the 60hZ option >for 1120x832 "RGB 555/15" display. I rebooted the machine and when >it came up, it was WONDERFUL to see the good ol' NeXT-style resoltion >on the machine. I thought everything was fine until I logged on and >started moving windows around. The screen fills with horizontal lines >and generally goes awry at the slightest movement of a menu, icon, or >window. So I thought maybe I needed to switch to the 68hZ option. >So I re-ran Configure.app, reconfigured for the higher refresh rate, >and rebooted. > Even though the 1120x832 RGB 555/16 modes are listed in the panel in Configure.app, I don't think they are supported. Here's the README concerning the Intel GX/P: > >System 8-bit Grayscale 16-bit Color > >Intel GX/Professional 1024 x 768 1MB VRAM 800 x 600 1MB VRAM >with a TI 34075 RAMDAC 60, 72, or 76 Hz 60 Hz > > 1120 x 832 2MB VRAM 1024 x 768 2MB VRAM > 60 or 68 Hz 60 or 76 Hz > > 1280 x 1024 2MB VRAM > 60 Hz > I have an Intel box, too, but my temporary monitor is too crummy for me to test the NeXT-native modes right now. I really like the 8-bit grayscale modes, though. (Thanks!) Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: streib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Allan M. Streib) Subject: path to 3.2 Message-ID: <CE4oM3.313@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 18:27:38 GMT I purchased a NeXTStation '040 8MB/405 in 1991 in the educational discount program. For various reasons, I have not taken the time to really learn Objective C and the NeXTStep environment, but am now beginning to do so. My machine is still running NeXTStep 2.1 My questions are: 1) Can I upgrade directly from 2.1 to 3.2 if I so choose? (Assuming 3.2 will be released for black hardware) 2) Is it worth upgrading before I gain some level of experience with NeXTStep? 3) Are the differences (improvements?) in NeXTStep 3.2 such that it is not worth learning anything in 2.1? Thank you for your input.. please email your replies as I do not have regular access to this newsgroup. -Allan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 Shipping Date Message-ID: <1993Sep29.084327.4416@elysia.fdn.org> Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <1993Sep27.021918.24356@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 08:43:27 GMT In article <1993Sep27.021918.24356@newshost.lanl.gov> ginsparg@lanl.gov (PG) writes: > i have had the following recent eye-opening experience: having > bought an hp 735 with the intention of installing nextStep when it > is ported (btw benchmarks at 6-10 times faster than a 25Mhz slab on > everything), but have to make do with system V hp ux for the time being. > had some trivial configuration problems with sendmail.cf and /etc/disktab > so posted to comp.sys.hp -- in each case an hp engineer responded via > e-mail within half a day. that's right, high quality assistance even on > the most insignificant problems from in-house personnel. while this > is perhaps too unrealistic an extreme to expect from a much smaller > company struggling for existence, it seems not so unrealistic to > expect somewhat more timely and informative answers to many of the > legitimate questions posed on these newsgroups or via e-mail. > pg > Bravo HP ! I think HP is generally known for its high quality hardware and maintenance. So this is not surprising, its the way things should be. This aspect of using computer technology should also "Just work", especially at NeXT. -- Luis Arias Elysia, Inc. [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 President 23, rue Buffon [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON luis@elysia.fdn.org FRANCE (small NeXTmail ok)
From: nathalie@thumper.cc.utexas.edu (S. T. Nathalie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sequent,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti,comp.sys.unisys,comp.sys.xerox,comp.sys.zenith,comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY: Book Review Date: 29 Sep 1993 21:05:33 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas - Austin Distribution: inet Message-ID: <28detd$fcd@thumper.cc.utexas.edu> References: <289dpb$no4@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu> <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM> Fellow Netters, First: I have been reading some "gripe" about a post I made about an interesting book I read and I happened to order from "Austin" and I happened to be at UT-Austin. I apologize if the message reached some wrong groups, however, all I did was send a follow up to a message from a previous post I had saved. Second: M. Johnson suggests in his posting <MJOHNSON.93Sep28093908@netcom5.Netcom.COM> that there is some conspiracy going on at UT-Austin, and that we are out to floud the net with reviews about a book that happened to be written by a UT graduate and that we are writing about it just because it is written by a UT-graduate and not because the book deserves any merit!! Well, Mr. Johnson I have some news for you: since it is such a good book and written by a UT graduate, I am proud to write a good review about it, and the more of Dr. Touma's stature this University graduates the better it is for all of the graduates of UT. Not that Dr. Touma or the book's publisher needs you to buy the book or read it for that matter, because I did some checking on whether your conspiracy suggestions had any validity and found the following: a) W. R. Touma is not a faculty at the University and never has been. From his author info in the book, he was one of the distinguished graduates at UT, an Engineering Scholar with High Honors, and his dissertation was nominated for the Outstanding Dissertation Award at the University of Texas. After checking with the Austin company selling his book (Technologies & Computer Consultants), Dr. Touma is currently an Honorary Fellow at the IC2 Institute (A world renoun think tank), the president of a multinational consulting firm, with three offices wolrdwide, and senior partner in the Tomaco Group of companies. 2) As mentioned in a previous review (last month) which gave me the incentive to purchase the book, the reviewers of the book are world class consultants and leaders in their field and they happen to be UT-Austin Faculty, and I am sure they are as proud as I am. Frankly, not very often does a book get written and so many people from different disciplines aggree on its outstanding contents: Computer Engineering, Business, Economics, Mathematics, and Engineering Economics. So Mr. Johnson, just to let you know, down here in Texas we have a rule: Conspiracy Theory = True <=> Intelligence = Ignorance but in your case, I'd rather not comment or vomit (as you've written in your article). Third: I sincerely recommend that book because it is the first time that I read about both sides of the computer industry (Technology and Economics), merged in the most eloquent and clear way possible. Thank you all for your time, and I bid you peace of mind. S. T. Nathalie UT SB&C
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CE5AIu.Duw@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:20:57 GMT In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: ... >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. >-- >Jim Sullivan >SCO Canada, Inc. Toronto, Ontario If you are lucky, you'll experience >jim@sco.com, ...!uunet!scocan!jim only 80 individual seasons. Enjoy >416 922 1937 (8397 for fax) them while you can. Jim, Didn't SCO get all sorts of crap about UNIX not being used in the real world in SCO's infancy? Doesn't it irk you when U.S. citizens blithely dismiss Canada? I don't know whether your remark was one of ignorance, disingenuity, an overt attempt at humor, or an attempt to be subtlely funny by making that post as a Canadian SCO employee, but from my viewpoint you certainly scored big in the final category. I'm certainly laughing; I just don't know whether or not I'm laughing *with* you. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Date: 30 Sep 1993 00:12:36 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <28d4p4$639@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) wrote Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Baaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
From: tzs@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Date: 30 Sep 1993 08:40:06 GMT Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Message-ID: <28e616$7ql@news.u.washington.edu> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> In article <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com>, Sean Eric Fagan <sef@kithrup.com> wrote: >Stock defense #2: Excuse me? What makes a "real" application? I picked >gcc and company because those are the ones I'm most familiar with. gcc >does everything a "real" application needs to do: it reads input, it >starts up commands, it processes input, and it creates output. It even Wait a minute. You could do all that under V7. Thus, it can't be a real application! :-) (There are people who actually are likely to believe this. Someone once posting something to the effect that Linux was much better than Minix because Minix was only a V7 clone. I asked what V7 lacks that real programs need, and a bunch of people actually offered shared memory and semaphores as things whose lack dooms V7 to toy status!) --Tim Smith
From: tzs@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Date: 30 Sep 1993 08:57:43 GMT Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Message-ID: <28e727$7tu@news.u.washington.edu> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com>, Jim Sullivan <jim@sco.COM> wrote: >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. >-- >Jim Sullivan >SCO Canada, Inc. Toronto, Ontario If you are lucky, you'll experience Well, I started using gcc on SCO Unix around the time I noticed that the stupid compiler that SCO included could not compile this expression correctly: hp->devTable[id][lun] = 1; where id and lun were unsigned chars. To get the compiler to generate correct code, the above had to be written like this: hp->devTable[(int)id][(int)lun] = 1; because the stupid compiler did the index calculations *before* converting the chars to ints unless explicitly told with the cast, and so would overflow and truncate. Fortunately, my code was portable, and so when I noticed that the DOS version worked (built with Borland C), and the Netware version worked (built with Metaware C), I got suspicious and looked at the compiler output. I've heard that this has been fixed, but I've never went back and checked. --Tim Smith
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: dnh@olly.mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <1993Sep30.090917.15889@mfltd.co.uk> Sender: news@mfltd.co.uk (News Login) Organization: Micro Focus Ltd. References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:09:17 GMT In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM>, jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: >In <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >>In article <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >>>The current POSIX work is not complete enough to build a >>>single real-world application. >> >>gcc. gas. gld. binutils. >> >>All of those can be built in a POSIX-only environment. >> >>Any other fallacies you wish to spread? > >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. Which is a real shame. If you've ever tried to use the Metaware C compiler (a commercial product which exists in this real world you're talking about), you might understand when I say that gcc is *infinitely* superior. Just an example. -- Des Herriott, / As a wise man once said, Micro Focus, Newbury. / +44 (0635) 565354 / "It takes a lot of brains to be smart, dnh@mfltd.co.uk / but it takes some neck to be a giraffe."
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Date: 30 Sep 1993 08:47:32 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <28ekh4$6s0@nova.umd.edu> References: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> <CRESPO.93Sep29171715@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> In article <CRESPO.93Sep29171715@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com>, Ivan Crespo <crespo@vcd.hp.com> wrote: > >I don't think it is your machine, I have the same problem... > >i. >-- DITTO--Just when I thought I would have to post, someone else is there for me! Anyway, don't even think of the high res grayscale option--you (or I did, at least) get nothing but lines (no picture). To recover I had to boot with the config=default (VGA) mode and reinstall the old driver (which I had saved!-) My data point: Intel GX Pro box with a ViewSonic 7 monitor. Any other data points out there? -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: petrick@rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Petrick) Subject: Which EISA-SCSI-Controller support NI in future ? Sender: news@RNEWS.urz.tu-dresden.de (Administrator) Message-ID: <INRHBHDQ@RNEWS.urz.tu-dresden.de> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:29:47 GMT Organization: TU Dresden - URZ Has anyone informations about the support of EISA-SCSI-controller in NI 3.2 ? for example : Adaptec 1742 Adaptec 2742 Bustec 742 thanks steffen
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Date: 30 Sep 1993 15:05:26 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <28esjm$m2e@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> In article 14557@crash, coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > Today I received via anon ftp from the ftp.next.com site the new > ATI Drivers for supporting the higher resolution displays for > Intel GX Professional workstations. > > I just installed the driver and initially selected the 60hZ option > for 1120x832 "RGB 555/15" display. I rebooted the machine and when > it came up, it was WONDERFUL to see the good ol' NeXT-style resoltion > on the machine. I thought everything was fine until I logged on and > started moving windows around. The screen fills with horizontal lines > and generally goes awry at the slightest movement of a menu, icon, or > window. So I thought maybe I needed to switch to the 68hZ option. > So I re-ran Configure.app, reconfigured for the higher refresh rate, > and rebooted. > > I still get the garbage on the screen. I had the exact same experience. For the record, I am using a Sony CPD-1730 monitor. What are you using? I also find it interesting to note that the README that came with the new driver does not mention the availability of 1120 X 832 @ 16-bits, but the new driver seems to provide it; i.e., it's a choice in the Configure options (but does it really work?). It must either be a driver problem, or else the monitor just won't properly synch at 1120 X 832 @ 16-bits, in which case it's a monitor problem. The lack of mention of this resolution choice in the driver README would tend to imply that NeXT doesn't consider this choice to be an option, which in turn implies the driver just won't do it, which in turn might be either a limitation with the driver, or a limitation with the ATI card. And, the fact that NeXT didn't remove the choice from the driver implies that they think they can get it to work-- at least with some cards and some monitors-- at some future date, or that it might even work now for some minority of cards/monitors. But that's a lot of "implies". Anybody know for sure? Nevin
From: patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Date: 30 Sep 1993 15:20:30 GMT Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics Distribution: world Message-ID: <28etfu$89h@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> References: <28ekh4$6s0@nova.umd.edu> Keywords: ATI Drivers NextStep In article <28ekh4$6s0@nova.umd.edu> fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > > My data point: Intel GX Pro box with a ViewSonic 7 monitor. > > Any other data points out there? > > -- > NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and > charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my > | brother wizards. YES!! I am so frustrated!! I thought I would finally be able to have some decent sort of video on my systems here, and got all excited when I saw the 1120x832 modes and esp the 1280@1024 mode, but then when I tried the modes out, I got complete garbage!!! The 1280x1024 8bit grey mode is barely legible- basically a way distorted image w/ tons of lines. The 16bit native res modes also experience the same problems listed above. My data point is as follows: HP Vectra 486/66ST (EISA bus) HP OEM 17" Color monitor ATI Ultra Pro+/EISA w/ 2MB VRAM Please- could somebody from NeXT at least tell us if this is the way it is meant to be, or if they had a configuration under which these problems did not appear!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Heynen NeXTMail: patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Date: 28 Sep 1993 00:47:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2881it$jns@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> In article <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: >I'm gonna spend my $174 dollars tommorrow to upgrade from 3.0 and >was wondering; aside from from the obvious, is there some other reason >why NeXT is pretty much forcing users to upgrade now NeXT wants your cash *now* rather than 2 months later or whenever 3.2 is shipped. They are probably getting a little gush of orders for 3.1 upgrade now from people who have waited. I just got ours today and sent in the reg cards, and now wondering if I should bother installing them now or wait for 3.2. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Need Parabase help Message-ID: <CE1HE1.Kw@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com (John Bartley) Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 00:58:49 GMT I need some help in converting Parabase text notes (stored as blobs) from a Sybase server to a Gupta server. Parabase sent me some software to supposedly accomplish this using their API, but it crashes after 60 records. Even though they agreed in writing to provide conversion software to handle this specific case, they are now renegging and refuse to support this. The kicker was today when I told them that the Parabase-supplied code crashed Parabase and they replied "sorry, we don't support customer C code." Sheeesh. I didn't write one word of code, it all came from Parabase. Is ANYBODY out there using Parabase? Does anybody know anything about the Parabase API? It's a little irritating to buy $4,800 worth of Parabase products and be told that they refuse to honor a key element of the reason for buying the new version of their software (i.e., the automated conversion program.) Not to mention paying by cashier's check months in advance of actually receiving bug-ridden software. Most NeXT software vendors I've bought from would bend over backwards to make sure things work right, but my experience with Parabase has been the exact opposite. If anyone has solved the blob-extraction process in Sybase and knows how to do what I'm talking about, get in touch with me ASAP. I'll make it worth your while$. John Bartley john@wpa.com PS - I'll apologize in advance for not using the Parabase user group e-mail list. Since Parabase runs it, I doubt that a request such as this would be allowed to pass through.
#################################################################### #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Message-ID: <CE6Kr2.GCo@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Labratory Information Services References: <28ekh4$6s0@nova.umd.edu> <28etfu$89h@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:56:47 GMT Perhaps try a monitor that will support that. Do you have one of the Ergo HP monitors or something else? peter Patrick Heynen (patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu) wrote: : YES!! I am so frustrated!! I thought I would finally be able to have some decent : sort of video on my systems here, and got all excited when I saw the 1120x832 : modes and esp the 1280@1024 mode, but then when I tried the modes out, I got : complete garbage!!! The 1280x1024 8bit grey mode is barely legible- basically a : way distorted image w/ tons of lines. The 16bit native res modes also experience : the same problems listed above. My data point is as follows: : HP Vectra 486/66ST (EISA bus) : HP OEM 17" Color monitor : ATI Ultra Pro+/EISA w/ 2MB VRAM : Please- could somebody from NeXT at least tell us if this is the way it is meant : to be, or if they had a configuration under which these problems did not appear!! -- ...future author of: "Safe Cellular Compilations at Speeds Greater Than 140 kph." peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Browser for su Message-ID: <1993Sep28.175747.2621@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:57:47 GMT Any suggestions? I would like to go to a terminal window, su to root, and then launch a file browser with root permissions so that I can graphically move files. Help is welcome. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: cactus@clinton.com (L. Todd Masco) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CE6oux.5M4@clinton.com> Organization: The Clinton Group, Inc. References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:29:32 GMT In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. Depends. Does the financial industry count as the real world? Our site certainly uses gcc and emacs, and all of of computer staff know who the FSF is and what the GNU is. And we're a financial trading company (plus software developement). I think it's hard to find a UNIX site these days that doesn't at least have emacs available somewhere. -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living cactus@clinton.com | love for a man/ love for a woman SysAdmin, Clinton Group, Inc. | love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Clarance Howatt Subject: Report writer and Graphical Query Application ???????? Message-ID: <1993Sep30.202844.9950@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:28:44 GMT I know that there are at least a couple of ReportWriters and a couple of graphical query applications out there. The problem is that I have changed offices and can't find anything. If you are working on an application or know of one can you e-mail me please. Commercial applications only (sorry) Thanks in advance Clarance ============================================================ Clarance Howatt Programmer, Information Systems University of Alberta Hospitals WMC 2C2.21, 8440 - 112th Street,
From: elitman@wam.umd.edu (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Date: 30 Sep 1993 21:12:31 GMT Organization: Proxima, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <28fi3v$uc@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <28ekh4$6s0@nova.umd.edu> <28etfu$89h@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> I have the same problem (lines and improper redraws) on all of my GX boxes. I am running them with a Tatung CM17MDB Multisync. The machines all have 2MB VRAM. Has anybody come close to a solution for this? -Eric Litman Proxima, Inc.
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP Model 715, Pentium or 486 for NEXTSTEP? Date: 30 Sep 1993 21:33:36 GMT Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech Distribution: world Message-ID: <28fjbgINN7nt@news.gatech.edu> I plan to buy a computer within the next three months. I have been a NeXT user ever since the cubes first appeared and still use them at home and school. (I was one of those academics that had a chance to meet with Steve Jobs when he was going around the country discussing the things that people wanted to see on their machines. Then I waited eagerly for what appeared to be a long time before I could see a machine.) Even though I have become somewhat pessimistic about NeXT, I still believe that NEXTSTEP is the best. I would like to buy machine for myself soon, even though I will continue to use the NeXT cubes. I just don't like the Intel machines that are derivatives of the '86 family, having been a VAX, Mac, and Sun person earlier. I would like to buy a real Unix machine that has a decent processor, that will also run NEXTSTEP. I can wait until NEXTSTEP becomes available even though I may want to buy the machine before the end of the year. So, here is the question. Would you recommend the low end HP (PA)RISC machine, which I believe is 715? Cost is important, of course. With a color monitor and about 24 or 32 Meg/1 gig hard disk, I would like a machine that costs no more than about $6,000. Am I crazy, or what? Also, what about "hummingbird"? While I know people who own Sparcstations etc., I don't really know anyone who owns an HP machine. I would appreciate hearing from people who own the 715's. Both good and bad experiences are welcome. (One reason for thinking of this option is that if everyone else ditches NeXT, I will at least have a decent processor etc.) One more question. Are software upgrades expensive? Thank you. govind T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873, 894 2301 (fax) NeXTmail welcome. - - (accent on o, a; da pronounced dha) TG, Govind OK (NOT Govin) Member, League for Programming Freedom (Info from: lpf@uunet.uu.net) ISyE-0205, Georgia Tech, 765 Ferst Drive, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205, USA.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: erik@csn.org (Erik Mugele) Subject: Using HP DeskWriter on Black hardware Message-ID: <CE73q4.B7B@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 01:49:14 GMT I still have not gotten any responses on the following problem. I am holding on to hope that someone has an answer. I have an HP DeskWriter (for the macintosh, not the HP DeskJet 5xx) that I would like to use with my black slab. What will it take in the way of hardware/software to make the DeskWriter work with my black hardware? Is it even possible? TNX in advance. -- Erik Mugele * erik@csn.org * "Vegetarians eat vegetables... * mugele@sil.org * Beware of humanitarians!" Ham Radio: N5XYX * * -- Wisdom of Dr. Bob DoD #: 1030 * 719.550.6188 *
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Message-ID: <1993Sep30.230858.8802@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 30 Sep 93 23:08:58 GMT References: <2869qd$jb7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <2881it$jns@agate.berkeley.edu> <288ci1$bn3@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993Sep28.202706.6320@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> <mfausett.749342839@kirin> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Mark Fausett (mfausett@bbn.com) wrote: : tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: : ..... : >Just a note: According to Conrad's announcement, if you register by the end : >of October you get a free upgrade to 3.2. Maurice's statement can be read as : >meaning that you have to receive and register the upgrade by the end of : >September (at least that's what I thought the first time.) : I received my user and developer upgrades yesterday. The user registration : sheet said "Register by 31 September" for the free 3.2 upgrade. The : developer registration sheet said "Register by 31 October". : I presume, one or both of these may have been changed since print time...so : FYI. Methinks the user registration sheet had a misprint, since there is no 31st of September. Most likely, October 31st is the right date. After all, people who ordered the 3.1 upgrade in the last week would have no way of registering before the end of September. That'd be pretty stupid, dontcha think?
From: kenr@shl.com (Ken Rossen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What is the NEC Versa Equivalent of Cmd-Cmd-~ ?? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 23:12:44 -0500 Organization: SHL Systemhouse Message-ID: <kenr-300993231244@slip-kjr.shl.com> I need to know the magic cookie for getting into the Mini-Monitor (just like Command-Command-Tilde on black hardware). I'm running NSFIP on an NEC Versa, and I've had to power the thing off just too many times. The manual isn't at all helpful regarding where to find the key combo in a non-hardware-specific way (it refers to the numeric keypad, which a notebook doesn't have -- thanks loads, guys). Thanks in advance. It's certainly frustrating not being able to interrupt anything when the Workspace hangs (on black *or* white hardware!). Please reply by mail. -- KENR@SHL.COM
From: kenr@shl.com (Ken Rossen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SLIP for NS/Intel Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 23:17:32 -0500 Organization: SHL Systemhouse Message-ID: <kenr-300993231732@slip-kjr.shl.com> Can anyone point out a SLIP package available on the archive that works on Intel? Is there a commercially available one people like? I need one for a Versa notebook. Thanks in advance. Please mail your replies. -- KENR@SHL.COM
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Date: 30 Sep 1993 21:37:50 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <28gc6u$ov3@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <2958396304.0.p00078@psilink.com> In article <2958396304.0.p00078@psilink.com>, Andrew Luck <p00078@psilink.com> wrote: >>DATE: 28 Sep 93 20:27:06 GMT >>FROM: Jonathan Hendry <tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu> >> >>Maurice Shihadi (maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu) wrote: >>: I order my upgrade today and learne that one must receive and >>: register their new copy BEFORE the end of the month or end up with a >>: non registerable copy. I suppose this means that the upgrade would have to >> >>Just a note: According to Conrad's announcement, if you register by the end >>of October you get a free upgrade to 3.2. Maurice's statement can be read as >>meaning that you have to receive and register the upgrade by the end of >>September (at least that's what I thought the first time.) >> > >Obviously I haven't been following this closely enuf. > >Would somebody FROM NEXT WHO REALLY KNOWS post the upgrade options for >NS AND NSFIP, PLEASE. I think I've got this sucka figured out now. I called NeXT again today and finally got through--it seems that their call volume was so high that the system would hang up after putting me on hold for a while. I was kinda panicked since I was told on Tuesday that I had to receive the upgrade and call back to register before Friday. My upgrade arrived Wednesday and I immediately called back to register. Today I called one more time to verify my registration and there was no record. It seems someone else has claimed my registration number so the system kicked me out. None the less, I was told late today that I've got nothing to worry about since the deadline for registration has been extended to the end of October. However, the deadline to purchase the upgrade appears to remain the same. Also, while I had NeXT on the phone I asked why I needed to upgrade to 3.1 when I was willing to wait a year or two for 4.0 which is rumored to be the last upgrade to support black hardware. The answer I got was that upgrading from 3.0 to 3.1-3.2 to 4.0 would be cheaper than going from 3.0 to 4.0. Kinda the same situation 2.0 and 2.1 users now face I suppose. Well, thats it. Hope the above is helpful. maurices Oh yea, for the record, not all registration cards say the deadline to register is October 31. My user card says September 31 while my developer card says October 31. bye........
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fortune Magazine mentions NeXT ? Date: 30 Sep 1993 22:16:13 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <28geet$pj5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I read our business section out here yesterday and it mentioned a Fortune top 10 bosses not to work for whatever reason. I think Steve was listed as number 5 but haven't seen Fortune magazine yet. The newspaper said something about how the shade of green for the NeXT logo was decided upon as well as how Mr. Jobs addresses his employees when approaching a deadline. It kinda made him sound like a tyrant. Is he? maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting hold of WriteNow... Date: 30 Sep 1993 22:20:54 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <28genm$po7@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <749333054snz@cedar.demon.co.uk> I just picked up a copy of Write Now from a surplus computer software store for $10. It was mixed with the Mac copies and boy was I happy. Appsoft just announced a 90% discount on software (I think). Maybe one could get a copy from them. The package I got also came with a NeXT Adobe font installer plus a bunch of fonts. Yum Yum. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Organization: SCO Canada, Inc. Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 12:56:32 GMT Message-ID: <1993Oct01.125632.16386@sco.COM> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Sender: news@sco.COM (News administration) In <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. Whoa, relax, go slow. What I suspect has happened here, (since I'm being flamed from all sides), is a misunderstanding of my interpretation of ``application''. Note that this is my opinion, not SCO's. Mine. Mine alone. I consider an application to be similar to a chair. Everyone can use a chair, but few can build one. I can buy a chair that I can put together myself, but in order to build a chair, I need special tools. Note that you are free to reject this analogy. An application maps to a chair. The chair that I put together (with a screwdriver) represents application builders. Professionals build chairs (and applications) using tools. I consider the GNU tools to be just that, tools. take a breath, before you flame this. There are many companies out there that are building applications using the GNU tools. Just as all of us that use chairs cannot build chairs, all application users do not use the application building tools. -- Jim Sullivan SCO Canada, Inc. Toronto, Ontario If you are lucky, you'll experience jim@sco.com, ...!uunet!scocan!jim only 80 individual seasons. Enjoy 416 922 1937 (8397 for fax) them while you can.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: Report writer and Graphical Query Application ???????? Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 13:21:59 GMT Message-ID: <1993Oct01.132159.22776@cyantic.com> References: <1993Sep30.202844.9950@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <1993Sep30.202844.9950@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> clarance@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca writes: >I know that there are at least a couple of ReportWriters and a couple of >graphical query applications out there. The problem is that I have >changed offices and can't find anything. If you are working on an >application or know of one can you e-mail me please. Commercial >applications only (sorry) Objective Technologies has announced a beta program for their DBKit based report writer Impress. Also, Athena Design's Mesa spreadsheet has a SQL query engine. Hope this helps. -- Mark T. Dornfeld, CYANTIC Systems Voice: (416) 234-9048 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9B 6K4 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: How big is NS 3.1? 3.2? Message-ID: <HARDY.93Sep30223148@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu's message of 24 Sep 93 16:30:38 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <54692@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 1 Oct 93 05:31:53 GMT In article <54692@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: ??? I have NS 3.0 and my hard drive is very full. ??? ??? How much bigger is NS3.1? NS 3.2? I recently upgraded 3.0-3.1 and lost about 20-25 MB (after getting rid of a number of things which don't quite work with 3.1, like the MusicKit) --- BTW, does anyone know why Ensemble.app "can't open the DSP" under 3.1? permissioons on the device are OK. I keep all the documentation, literature, Webster, Quotations, some Demos on the CD-ROM (which means ejecting and injecting them occasionally, depending on whether you want the Developer stuff or not), otherwise my poor 420 MB disk on the Slab would have burst. One more space-saving trick (does not work with NeXT.app , but I use it on my HUGE X-clients under co-Xist): use zexe (finally supplied with NS 3.1) to keep very large binaries gzipped when not in use. I also keep all the emacs info and many .el files in gzipped format. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Psnup problems (Reversing pages in postscript files...) Message-ID: <HARDY.93Sep30223750@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com's message of Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:56:10 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <CE0s9M.8EK@cvbnet.CV.COM> Date: 1 Oct 93 05:37:54 GMT In article <CE0s9M.8EK@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: ? How can I reverse the pages in a postscript file? Even better, ? are there ways to swap pairs of pages (e.g. 1-2, 3-4, etc.)? I found that quarto (from your neighbors at MIT, available on the archives) generally is easier to use than psnup. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kovacs@next.ilab.sztaki.hu (Laszlo Kovacs) Subject: Re: Looking for Compaq system to run NSI 3.1 Message-ID: <CE813M.J1B@sztaki.hu> Sender: news@sztaki.hu (News system) Organization: Computer and Automation Institute References: <149437@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 13:50:09 GMT In article <149437@netnews.upenn.edu> joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: > > Hi, > > Am considering getting a new box to run NSI 3.1 on, and would like > to choose a configuration that is KNOWN to work with NeXTSep. Is > anyone out there running NSI 3.1 on any compaq brand computers? If > so, could you please e-mail to me your exact configuration: We are considering the same so pls. e-mail it to me as well. > > Compaq model > type of graphics card > type of SCSI controller > type of CDROM > type of HDs > > Any help much appreciated. Thanks. --Laszlo ______________________________________________________________________ Laszlo KOVACS (L\'aszl\'o Kov\'acs using TeX) Computer and Automation Institute of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences Informatics Research Laboratory ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MTA-SZTAKI Phone: (361) 269-8270 H-1111 Budapest XI. Fax: (361) 269-8269 Lagymanyosi u. 11. E-mails: kovacs@next.ilab.sztaki.hu(NeXTmail) Room 415. HUNGARY h93kov@ella.hu ______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdsmith@novell.com (J. Douglas Smith) Subject: NeXTSTEP Gopher Client? Message-ID: <CE83st.HGp@Provo.Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Provo.Novell.COM (USENET News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 14:48:29 GMT Does anyone know of a NeXTSTEP Gopher Client? I've looked on a few of the ftp sites, but I haven't been able to locate anything. -- Doug Smith Internet: jdsmith@novell.com Productivity Enhancements Group Phone: (801) 429-7324 Novell, INC.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <1993Oct1.152808.4976@rwwa.COM> Sender: news@rwwa.COM (News Administrator) Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <1993Oct01.125632.16386@sco.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 15:28:08 GMT In article <1993Oct01.125632.16386@sco.COM>, jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: | I consider an application to be similar to a chair. Everyone can use a | chair, but few can build one. [...] An application maps to a chair. | I consider the GNU tools to be [...] tools [and not applications]. [Edited for brevity, and comments mine]. Using your own definition, a compiler (say GCC) is an application, since I can use it without knowing how to build it. And a chair is a tool used to build a banquet ``application''... Analogies like chair == application are nonsense. But of coures that is what makes such analogies ``real world''. -- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430, Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 21 Railroad Ave, Swampscott MA 01907-1821 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Advice on DAT tape drives Message-ID: <markp.51.749491347@yang.earlham.edu> From: markp@yang.earlham.edu (Mark Pearson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 16:02:27 GMT Organization: Earlham College Two years ago we bought a WangDAT 2600 4mm DAT tape drive - it cost us $ 1700. It has been used less than 20 times. The last level 0 dump that we did it won't restore. Now we are told that the heads are screwed and Wangdat want $500 to repair it. A new DAT drive costs around $1,000. Can anyone recommend a new drive which would read tapes recorded on the 2600 (compression off) - we really *need* to restore the level 0 dump :-) but which is not manufactured by Wangdat? I view a two year lifespan of minimal usage to be near PC levels of reliability and therefore unacceptable. I'd appreciate early replies via Mail if poss. Thanks. Mark Pearson Earlham College, Richmond, IN 47374 Tel (317) 983-1279
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CE8AAq.BsH@queernet.org> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 17:08:49 GMT References: <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Organization: QueerNet In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: >In <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >>In article <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >>>The current POSIX work is not complete enough to build a >>>single real-world application. >> >>gcc. gas. gld. binutils. >> >>All of those can be built in a POSIX-only environment. >> >>Any other fallacies you wish to spread? > >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. More important, those are not applications. Without networking, IPC, and the like, most real-world applications, from publishing to CAD to configuration management, simply can't fly. And there's not enough POSIX there yet to make them work. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy: the refusal of joy." -- Paul Rudnick
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Message-ID: <CE8AIr.C55@queernet.org> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 17:13:38 GMT References: <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> Organization: QueerNet In article <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: >>Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >>no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >>gld and binutils. > >Strawman argument #1: the FSF code isn't a "real" program. They're real *programs* - great programs, in fact. They're not applications. >Stock defense #1: go to an embedded developers' conference sometime, where >crosscompilers are considered necessary applications. Ask around about >GNU tools and Cygnus Support. Note that the embedded market is several >times larger than the unix market, making it more "real world" than anything >SCO does. Again: they're tools. The software those embedded guys are putting on the *using* the superior compiler technology supported by Cygnus -- those are applications. An elevator, missile, or pinball machine is an application. A compiler or linker is not. >Strawman argument #2: Oh, who cares, it's only a compiler, it's not a real >application. > >Stock defense #2: Excuse me? What makes a "real" application? I picked >gcc and company because those are the ones I'm most familiar with. gcc >does everything a "real" application needs to do: it reads input, it >starts up commands, it processes input, and it creates output. It even >spits out messages to the user a bit. Also, the latest FSF ar can be >interactive, to a degree, again using only an ANSI or POSIX environment. Nope. An application is a program that supports the conduct of some business other than building computer programs. >Free software tends to be most conforming to standards simply because it >gets ported to the most environments -- and the standars, such as POSIX, >help free software much more than most other software. Yes, and a *complete* standard would help us get FSF-based global conferencing or networking or distributed CAD or... >But how dare you decide what is "real world"? I agree... he's wrong. >Oh, did you also know that Cygnus has been discussed in Fortune and >the Economist? Both of those, perforce, discuss free software and "GNU." >So are you going to stick to your rather foolish comment that "no one >[in the real world] knows who the FSF is or what GNU means"? > >Such arrogance. You don't have to sell *me*... -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy: the refusal of joy." -- Paul Rudnick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vw7511@radish.albany.edu (Vichai W. (Meng)) Subject: Only one registration card in Academic Bundle Message-ID: <1993Oct1.211655.4142@sarah.albany.edu> Sender: news@sarah.albany.edu (News Administrator) Organization: State University of New York at Albany Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 21:16:55 GMT Hi, I bought a NextStep 3.1 Academic Bundle which has both user and developer version. However, It comes with only one registration card found in user CD-ROM. I just register it today. Here is my question: Will I get the free update of NextStep 3.2 for BOTH user and developer version or ONLY user version? Thanks, Vichai
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Compaq system to run NSI 3.1 Date: 1 Oct 93 22:18:07 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jeffo.749513887@uiuc.edu> References: <149437@netnews.upenn.edu> <CE813M.J1B@sztaki.hu> Wasn't Compaq one of the vendors that said they were going to release machines with NS pre-loaded (just like you can get '486 machines with Windows pre-loaded everywhere now)? What ever happened to that? If so, I would hope that means it also comes with NS/I-compliant hard disk cards and such. -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (No NeXTmail please)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: README Message-ID: <1993Oct1.210247.11701@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 21:02:47 GMT A lot of original postings recently seem to have their distribution set to something other than "world". Being in Germany, I only get to read the followups, which can be rather annoying, especially in cases like the demise of Appsoft etc. So please, please, take the 10 seconds of time and set your default distribution to "world" or nothing, instead of "usa" or some such. Gratefully, Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: HELP: post-3.1-installation-blues Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Date: 01 Oct 93 16:56:02 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct01.165602.4309@crash> Ok so I installed NS 3.1 finally on my cube, and now I can't send any internet email anymore. Symptoms: I send email to any address, say, fred@company.com, it gets returned with stuff like: ------ Transcript of session follows ------ 550 company.com (ddn)... 550 Host unknown Etc, etc. Now, I noticed that Upgrade_3.1.app changed my sendmail.cf file, so I tried to rebuild it by examining the "diff" between the new file and the 3.0 copy that I made a backup of. I made the changes, rebooted the system, but still get returned mail every time. Anyone have any suggestions for fixing this? [I sure wish I could just call NeXT Tech Support and have a friendly person answer this question in 30 seconds and be done with it, like other software companies. Sigh :-(] ** brian dear ** brian@coconut.com ** coconut computing, inc **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: STONE DESIGN Ships Create 2.0 Message-ID: <1993Oct1.220735.2426@stone.com> Keywords: Stone Create Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <28g5fr$c69@digifix.digifix.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 22:07:35 GMT In article <28g5fr$c69@digifix.digifix.com> andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) writes: > Andrew has submitted the Create 2.0 package to the following sites > > ftp.cs.unm.edu pub/stone/Create/Create_2.0.tar > cs.orst.edu pub/next/submissions/Create_2.0.tar > > sum Create_2.0.tar > 59361 2832 > > Bonehead alert! The real sum is: sum Create_2.0.tar 44545 2840 Sorry for any confusion - if you got the package before Friday afternoon, please download it again. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: cajho@uno.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSFIP 3.1, 3.2 upgrade for sale Date: 2 Oct 1993 01:05:11 GMT Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA Message-ID: <28ik47$m8o@news.cs.tulane.edu> Well, frustrated with Next's refusal to answer any of my questions, and numerous other problems, I wish to sell my academic bundle NSFIP 3.1, and the 3.2 upgrade when it comes out. The price has just been raised, so I believe, to $299. I have never even installed the software. I wish to sell mine for $235. Mail from an academic site is proof enough of academic status, I suppose, as it is more than was required from me at my univ. bookstore.(i.e. nothing.) NeXT seems to not care at all about just plain users. I'm not a business, I'm not a developer, and I am no longer a NeXT customer. Some hints, guys... answer people's questions, bundle PRINTER SUPPORT for the few of us who don't have laser printers sitting around (ha.), and try to eliminate the need for such ridiculous kludges on the part of people owning SCSI controllers as having to buy a separate floppy controller when there is a perfectly good one on the SCSI card. (aha 1542, and I assume 1742 for 3.2, in particular.) Yeah, I really need another card for just a floppy making heat in my system. I really need to spend, what was it, $75-$100 on a printer driver for an OS I bought for $250. Hell, I really like NS on black hardware and wanted to run it on my 486, but I really don't even see why an academic deal is being offered for all NeXT seems to care about such users. And for god's sake, do you have to make those damn FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE announcements sound so damn pompous? This is the net, not a press conference. I hope NeXT can learn to deal with "just users." With the prices on NeXTSTEP ready systems coming down (fast) and the OS being as good as it is, one would think there would be a market with "just users." Just users at home help make decisions at work. It's sad that incompetents like Microsoft are so good at the stuff NeXT seems to be lacking in. And if developers have any sense and are in it for the long haul, they oughta get stuff out there for less of a profit at the moment. Just my opinions and gripes, Craig. -- Craig Johnston | Cavitas in dentibus facimus! cajho@uno.edu | Cavitas in dentibus facimus!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. References: <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <CE8AAq.BsH@queernet.org> Message-ID: <CE8v8D.Cw9@kithrup.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 00:40:45 GMT In article <CE8AAq.BsH@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >Without networking, IPC, and the like, most real-world applications, from >publishing to CAD to configuration management, simply can't fly. And there's >not enough POSIX there yet to make them work. Okay, let's take some programs that are definitely applications. VisiCalc. No networking, no IPC. Yet it was an application. The only thing it did that could not easily be done with POSIX is screen manipulation -- and I have a POSIX-compliant curses library. And before you object, this is a valid thing to do -- provided your application includes the necessary data files (a termcap file, in this case). WordPerfect. No networking, no IPC. Yet it is an application. Repeat everything above. POSIX does provide IPC, in the form of FIFO's and pipes. But it's best to ignore facts, isn't it, and just rest safe and secure in your belief that you know everything.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Message-ID: <CE8x3J.Kuu@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com (John Bartley) Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <1993Sep30.230858.8802@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 01:21:19 GMT In article <1993Sep30.230858.8802@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > Mark Fausett (mfausett@bbn.com) wrote: > : tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > : ..... > : >Just a note: According to Conrad's announcement, if you register by the end > : >of October you get a free upgrade to 3.2. Maurice's statement can be read as > : >meaning that you have to receive and register the upgrade by the end of > : >September (at least that's what I thought the first time.) > > : I received my user and developer upgrades yesterday. The user registration > : sheet said "Register by 31 September" for the free 3.2 upgrade. The > : developer registration sheet said "Register by 31 October". > : I presume, one or both of these may have been changed since print time...so > : FYI. > > Methinks the user registration sheet had a misprint, since there is no > 31st of September. Most likely, October 31st is the right date. > > After all, people who ordered the 3.1 upgrade in the last week would > have no way of registering before the end of September. That'd be > pretty stupid, dontcha think? I bought 6 black user and developer upgrades a couple of weeks ago. They were all shipped very quickly (I was concerned that they might arrive after September 30 and not be upgradeable) and I was able to call them all in on time. All of my user licenses said "register by September 30" and all of my developer licenses said "register by October 31."
From: hsla@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: SLIP and modem pool Date: 1 Oct 1993 21:42 EDT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Sender: hsla@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (SHERRI TURNER) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1OCT199321422163@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi! Does anyone have any experience to go through a modem pool to establish a SLIP connection? I will be grateful to hear how you manage to do that. Thanks in advance. hs
From: mauvais@fastrac.llnl.gov (Paul Mauvais) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Free Upgrade time extended?? (3.1->3.2?) Date: 1 Oct 1993 19:09:35 -0700 Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Message-ID: <mauvais.749527733@fastrac> I heard rumours that the time for the free upgrade to 3.2 had been extended until the end of October. Is this true? Can someone confirm? Paul Mauvais mauvais@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Message-ID: <CE92u7.Izy@queernet.org> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:25:18 GMT References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <CE8AAq.BsH@queernet.org> <CE8v8D.Cw9@kithrup.com> Organization: QueerNet In article <CE8v8D.Cw9@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >In article <CE8AAq.BsH@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >>Without networking, IPC, and the like, most real-world applications, from >>publishing to CAD to configuration management, simply can't fly. And there's >>not enough POSIX there yet to make them work. > >Okay, let's take some programs that are definitely applications. > >VisiCalc. No networking, no IPC. Yet it was an application. The only thing >it did that could not easily be done with POSIX is screen manipulation -- and >I have a POSIX-compliant curses library. And before you object, this is >a valid thing to do -- provided your application includes the necessary data >files (a termcap file, in this case). Yes, a POSIX-compliant curses library is certainly a valid thing to do. And carrying it with you is certainly a valid option, in the days of free software. But you hit the key word: VisiCalc *was* an application. It doesn't do the things the world expects spreadsheets to do today. >WordPerfect. No networking, no IPC. Yet it is an application. Repeat >everything above. WordPerfect is an application, of course. And in order to do the things that production users expect to be able to do with it -- live links to on-line databases, for example -- it needs some form of IPC beyond the ones you name. >POSIX does provide IPC, in the form of FIFO's and pipes. But it's best to >ignore facts, isn't it, and just rest safe and secure in your belief that >you know everything. Oh, lighten up, Sean. While your examples are more and more real-world products, your understanding of their use is not, and your claim of my appeal to authority is simply nonsense. I know that when we tried to port *existing* real-world applications and development tools (Ingres, Oracle, CAD packages) to a POSIX-restricted environment (Mips' first cut at a POSIX systype), it simply couldn't be done. The pieces simply aren't there. Nobody's arguing against standards. Or open standards. I'm a tremendous fan of the idea. But POSIX is simply a bad cut at one, because it instititionalizes a committee's notion of a minimal environment, rather than *real* prior art's idea of a useful one. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy: the refusal of joy." -- Paul Rudnick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: burns@sparc4.cs.uiuc.edu (Edward John Burns) Subject: Looking for Example Packet Sniffer Kernel Server source Message-ID: <CE996A.JEn@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> Summary: I need to write a Packet Sniffer Sender: news@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 05:42:09 GMT I need to write a packet sniffer network-related kernel server. I tried looking at the source for MazeWar, but found it to be beyond what I would like to do. Really, I'd just like to use the if_ipackets() function to get the number of packets that come on the network for a given timeslice. I don't know what the netif_t netif should be or what the ipackets should be. Could someone point me to an example of a packet sniffer network-related kernel server? Thanks +-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^+ | Ed Burns | ACM Secretary, U of IL Urbana | h 217-332-3281| | e-burns@uiuc.edu | SigMicro 6:00 Wednesdays | o 217-333-5828| +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How big is NS 3.1? 3.2? Date: 2 Oct 1993 07:07:14 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <28j9b2$q3d@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <HARDY.93Sep30223148@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: > mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > ??? I have NS 3.0 and my hard drive is very full. > ??? > ??? How much bigger is NS3.1? NS 3.2? > > I recently upgraded 3.0-3.1 and lost about 20-25 MB (after > getting rid of a number of things which don't quite work with 3.1, > like the MusicKit) --- BTW, does anyone know why Ensemble.app > "can't open the DSP" under 3.1? permissioons on the device are OK. Did you check out the language receipts in /NextLibrary/Receipts? If you notice any ?.pkg files in there for (human) languages that you did *not* want to install, then log in as root, double-click on those language packages, and delete them. These can take up a very noticable amount of space (20-30meg), while providing absolutely *no* benefit (if you did not install the languages, then those languages are not there even if you have a receipt file taking up 8 meg on your hard disk). Also check directory /NextLibrary/References/Webster-Dictionary. If that directory has both a Dictionary and a CompactDictionary file in it, then destroy the CompactDictionary. It isn't doing you any good, and takes up something like 14meg of disk space, if I remember right. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: ignatz@chinet.chinet.com (Dave Ihnat) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CE9BAI.2xJ@chinet.chinet.com> Summary: Now, now...be fair... Sender: Dave Ihnat Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 06:27:52 GMT In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com>, Jim Sullivan <jim@sco.COM> wrote: >Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, >no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas >gld and binutils. I've already read the derisive, amused, and otherwise typical responses you almost certainly must have expected; so I'll give the geeknerdhumorless one. I've been involved with at least one client, a division of a Major US Company, which decided to implement gcc/gas/gld as their development environment. MOST people (read: companies) won't accept it because: -It's Free. That, surprisingly enough, scares most companies off. After all, who can we yell at when we can't get it to work? -It's Complex. Yes, they can't really commit to being able to support such freeware, since they're not sure you'll be around in a couple of years to keep it running. -It's Not Under Warranty. See the first item above. -It Takes Lotsa Experienced Maintenance. It changes so fast, we have to keep updating our software. (It's more comforting to have only one release every 2-3 years; we know these bugs and their workarounds.) Obviously I'm being somewhat facetious, but really, there is a place in the commercial world for FSF and GNU. If nothing else, memory chip manufacturers love it... (smileyifIdidsmileyswhichIdon't.) --- Dave Ihnat ignatz@homebru.chi.il.us (preferred return address) ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: What do these console errors tell me? Message-ID: <1993Sep30.063826.16351@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <28cdq7$imk@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 06:38:26 GMT In article <28cdq7$imk@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > I got the following console errors upon logging in this morning: > > Sep 29 08:55:37 foxtrot syslog: NXMiniApp: Cannot get bootstrap port : 1102 > > *** Cannot get task port of process 4915 (error 5) > Sep 29 08:55:37 Workspace[4867]: Cannot make connection to > /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/AppFinder.tool > Sep 29 08:55:37 Workspace[4867]: Cannot create tool app finder tool > > > What are these telling me? I suspect some relationship to my other problem > (see my post about the WM dying when loggin in as root). > > Thanks!! > > This just happened to me the other day. In My case, the mach-o executable /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/AppFinder.tool got overwritten by something (clue: executing "file AppFinder.tool" from the shell claims it is a data file, and it is larger than the ~150kbytes it should be). Restoring it from the CD fixed everything. Somehow something overwrote it on my machine (Intel) September 8th, but I didn't notice until I logged out and back on and the Workspace tried to restart it (I think the workspace uses AppFinder.tool to find what apps in the standard paths are around, what services they provide, file types they handle, etc.) -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <rick.749568401@digibd> Sender: news@gw.digibd.com (USENET News) Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> <CE9BAI.2xJ@chinet.chinet.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 13:26:41 GMT ignatz@chinet.chinet.com (Dave Ihnat) writes: >I've been involved with at least one client, a division of a Major US Company, >which decided to implement gcc/gas/gld as their development environment. >MOST people (read: companies) won't accept it because: > -It's Free. That, surprisingly enough, scares most companies off. > After all, who can we yell at when we can't get it to work? Tell 'em to get g?? from Cygnus. They'll get to pay, *and* have someone to yell at. We do. Makes the suits feel more comfortable, I guess. -- Rick Richardson Senior Staff Engineer Writing X Widgets? DigiBoard, Inc. Email: rick@digibd.com Get Bert Bos's 'wbuild 2.0' 6400 Flying Cloud Dr. Fax: (612) 943-0803 Any other way is primitive. Eden Prarie, MN 55344 Tel: (612) 943-5383 <standard disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: Talking clock, anyone? Message-ID: <1993Oct1.051243.23606@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <285i1bINNal4@clem.handheld.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 05:12:43 GMT In article <285i1bINNal4@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > > Before I re-invent the wheel, I thought I'd ask here: > > Is there a program available for the NeXT that speaks the time? Or > (preferably) that will build a .snd or .vox file with the spoken time and date > that was submitted to it? > Check out TimeFlies from Mouthing Flowers. It should be on the archive servers. If not, I'll send it to you. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 15:49:10 GMT Jim Sullivan (jim@sco.COM) wrote: : In <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: : >In article <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: : >>The current POSIX work is not complete enough to build a : >>single real-world application. : > : >gcc. gas. gld. binutils. : > : >All of those can be built in a POSIX-only environment. : > : >Any other fallacies you wish to spread? : Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and run and work, : no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. And no one runs gcc, gas : gld and binutils. : -- You are not well informed, Jim. In the so called real world w/ real applications there are more than 6% of users working on a Linux PC, using it as a Terminal and for other work. There are even "real world applications" (commercial) running under Linux. And thats only the Linux market (which is growing enourmosly). I know several SW companies developing their "real world applications" with gcc, since its the best and most stable compiler. GNU software is very reliable and highest quality. GNU support is better than support for many commercial apps. And more and more companies are beginning to realize this fact. And, of course, its free. So expect a growth for this market you will never see in the company you're working for. SCO will have a very tough time to compete with Linux. And concerning quality and OO they'll never be able to compete with NeXT. I cant predict, if NeXT will outlive SCO or when NeXT might or ever will have a market share bigger than SCO. But I'm sure OSs like NEXTSTEP will outlive OSs like SCO Unix. So wake up Jim - real world is more than the small fraction you see from your seat at SCO. And its not the way you believe it is. Meinrad : Jim Sullivan : SCO Canada, Inc. Toronto, Ontario If you are lucky, you'll experience : jim@sco.com, ...!uunet!scocan!jim only 80 individual seasons. Enjoy : 416 922 1937 (8397 for fax) them while you can. -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,co;p.sys.next.software From: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) Subject: NewsBase v3.02, does it mark crossposts as read ? Message-ID: <CDz5H2.8n@fizz.fdn.org> Sender: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) Organization: None Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 18:46:13 GMT Hi, NewsGrazer does not mark an article 'read' in all groups once you read it in one of the groups it was posted to. Does NewsBase v3.02 do it ? (As all good news reader should do...) Benoit. -- ---- Benoit Grange - PARIS - FRANCE Mail to : ben@fizz.fdn.org (SMALL NeXTMails accepted, < 10kb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Gopher Client? Message-ID: <1993Oct2.174722.11058@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CE83st.HGp@Provo.Novell.COM> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 17:47:22 GMT J. Douglas Smith writes > Does anyone know of a NeXTSTEP Gopher Client? I've looked on a > few of the ftp sites, but I haven't been able to locate anything. You can get a NS gopher client by anonymous FTP from boombox.micro.umn.edu (134.84.132.2) in the directory /pub/gopher/NeXT Not sure if its fat. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: sj1@acpub.duke.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to steal NeXTmail Keywords: NeXTmail sendmail Message-ID: <21351@news.duke.edu> Date: 2 Oct 93 19:40:55 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Hello, after a couple of setbacks I hope at least somebody out there knows an answer: On my standalone black system, I'd like to configure sendmail so that everytime I send a non-local mail a program is called that saves it in a file, instead of trying to send it and of course not succeeding. I played around with the sendmail configuration, but always when I specified my "/usr/local/bin/stealmail" program as non-local output, I got an error message that it doesn't handshake or whatsoever, or even worse things happened. Is there a way of putting outgoing mail into a file instead of complaining? I'd appreciate doing so through a program of my own, as it should do some other stuff with the mail except saving it as well. Sending mail to local accounts should also stay unchanged, if possible. Anybody knows a solution? Thanx a lot for any help. Stan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates '81 Stan Jirman sj1@acpub.duke.edu NeXTmail welcome ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <1993Oct1.124037.908@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 12:40:37 GMT In article <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan) writes: > > Actually, in the real world, where real applications exist and > run and work, no one knows who the FSF is or what GNU means. > And no one runs gcc, gas gld and binutils. I'm working in the 'real world', doing million dollar applications in the industry, and they definitely use a lot GNU tools. Just because of one reason: They are better than the tools you get with your workstation. And depending on GNU tools, you write portable code which is very important. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CSNP Answers ??? Date: 3 Oct 1993 02:11:02 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <28lcbm$b2o@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: where is it ?? I was surfing through RTFM and found a NeXT programming FAQ which had the following blurb : >Anderson Financial Systems maintains this collection of the "best of >c.s.n.programmer" as an extension of the FAQ. Beginning October 1, 1993, >this information will be available through anonymous ftp on >cs.orst.edu as CSNPanswers.tar.Z, and will be updated monthly.... What directory is it in ? I didn't find it. Please post the answer to the net. I'm sure there are other people who should have this information. Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <rick.749640410@digibd> Sender: news@gw.digibd.com (USENET News) Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 09:26:50 GMT mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: >I know several SW companies developing their "real world applications" >with gcc, since its the best and most stable compiler. A little off the track, but I couldn't let this go. We use gcc for many things around here, but it is *not* the best compiler for all platforms, if you measure best by code quality. The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. -Rick -- Rick Richardson Senior Staff Engineer Writing X Widgets? DigiBoard, Inc. Email: rick@digibd.com Get Bert Bos's 'wbuild 2.0' 6400 Flying Cloud Dr. Fax: (612) 943-0803 Any other way is primitive. Eden Prarie, MN 55344 Tel: (612) 943-5383 <standard disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: Twente University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 13:50:42 GMT Yesterday, it hit my intel NeXT again. That beautiful software goody from the old times called "melt." I hate it. And I don't know where it comes from. But the symptoms are still the same: your docks flips to the bottom, the screen melts and your windows vanish, and only after a considerable wasted time your windows reappear. I hate it. I've installed a few binaries on my NeXT (he', lets keep the MAB versions rolling), and I must confess that I haven't looked at every line of code that (g)cc compiled. BUT I DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS GOODY !!! Help. Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893716,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4 Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 12:53:04 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4gfkBki00WB=8_y60F@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <rick.749640410@digibd> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 3-Oct-93 Re: Useability of POSIX (wa.. by Rick Richardson@digibd.d > mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: >> >> I know several SW companies developing their "real world applications" >> with gcc, since its the best and most stable compiler. >> > A little off the track, but I couldn't let this go. We use gcc > for many things around here, but it is *not* the best compiler > for all platforms, if you measure best by code quality. I agree that there are some compilers that beat gcc on a specific platform in terms of execution speed. For example, Sun's $800 ANSI C v2.0.1 compiler is a little better than gcc for SPARC machines. However, gcc is a better compiler than a large number of vendor-supplied compilers, and gcc costs a lot less than $800 :-)... If you're doing cross-compilation, gcc is unparalleled by any commercial product that I know of. > The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% > faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the > Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. You've picked a particularly bad data point (for gcc); the Intel line of chips are designed in a manner that violates gcc's assumptions about what a "good" CPU should look like. Specifically, gcc wants a RISC CPU with lots of equal registers, and the Intel x86's simply don't match this assumption. Among other things, your USL compiler probably has a good set of inline expansion templates that do a good job of peephole optimization, which is crucial for Intel chips. The FSF *could* do more work on the 386 inline templates that gcc uses, but I'd imagine that they have other priorities.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1993Oct3.172040.5977@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 93 17:20:40 GMT Bart Botma writes > Yesterday, it hit my intel NeXT again. That beautiful software > goody from the old times called "melt." I hate it. And I don't > know where it comes from. But the symptoms are still the same: > your docks flips to the bottom, the screen melts and your windows > vanish, and only after a considerable wasted time your windows > reappear. I hate it. If this is the same melt that Glenn Reid had originally posted in NewsGrazer, you can stop it any time simply by clicking on the mouse button. I've never heard of it coming up unannounced except through NeXTMail or NewsGrazer, though. In fact, I would very much like a copy of that melt if someone has it (I'd prefer one that only started when I wanted it to, though :-). I also miss the old Scene movies. Yeah, I can still play them but only by exposing my system by choosing Public Window Server On. It would be nice to have a simple applet that played those, or a way to play them through BackSpace or one of the screen saver apps out there. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do these console errors tell me? Date: 3 Oct 1993 19:38:36 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <28n9ns$ktu@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <1993Sep30.063826.16351@netcom.com> In article <1993Sep30.063826.16351@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: ] In article <28cdq7$imk@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas ] Scott) writes: ] > I got the following console errors upon logging in this morning: ] > ] > Sep 29 08:55:37 foxtrot syslog: NXMiniApp: Cannot get bootstrap port : 1102 ] > ] > *** Cannot get task port of process 4915 (error 5) ] > Sep 29 08:55:37 Workspace[4867]: Cannot make connection to ] > /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/AppFinder.tool ] > Sep 29 08:55:37 Workspace[4867]: Cannot create tool app finder tool ] > ] > ] > What are these telling me? I suspect some relationship to my other problem ] > (see my post about the WM dying when loggin in as root). ] ] This just happened to me the other day. In My case, the mach-o executable ] /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/AppFinder.tool got overwritten by ] something (clue: executing "file AppFinder.tool" from the shell claims it is a ] data file, and it is larger than the ~150kbytes it should be). ] ] Restoring it from the CD fixed everything. Somehow something overwrote it on my ] machine (Intel) September 8th, but I didn't notice until I logged out and back ] on and the Workspace tried to restart it (I think the workspace uses ] AppFinder.tool to find what apps in the standard paths are around, what ] services they provide, file types they handle, etc.) ] This was a good suggestion, but ended up not being my problem. Anyone else have any ideas as to what might be going on? -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 3 Oct 93 20:22:34 GMT References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Bart Botma writes > Yesterday, it hit my intel NeXT again. That beautiful software goody > from the old times called "melt." I hate it. And I don't know > where it comes from. But the symptoms are still the same: your > docks flips to the bottom, the screen melts and your windows > vanish, and only after a considerable wasted time your windows > reappear. It sounds like you have three of them, not just one. One does the melting, one moves your dock to the bottom of the screen, and one flings all your windows around. All three of these are buried inside PasteUp and are typically only invoked if you option-click weird things, so you shouldn't stumble on all of them at once and not know it. However, if you accidentally selected the .eps files inside the PasteUp app wrapper and launched them in Preview, you'd get the behavior you describe. Do you have a copy of PasteUp? [You're not in our database, but there was a demo Intel version of PasteUp on one of the CD-ROMs distributed with NS/Intel]. Do you remember poking around inside PasteUp.app? Maybe that's what caused it. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tekton Font Date: 3 Oct 1993 21:04:34 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Distribution: world Message-ID: <28nep2$8ue@ftp.alleg.edu> I was just wondering if anyone out on the net has a working copy of the Tekton font? I got it off an FTP site and I have been trying to get it to work but whenever I use it, I can't get it to print and it doesn't look anything like it should! Can someone help? Please e-mail!!! Thanks, Jason Heideloff heidelj@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: HELP: post-3.1-installation-blues Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 03 Oct 93 15:30:10 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct03.153010.16991@crash> References: <1993Oct01.165602.4309@crash> Many folks have sent me email regarding my sendmail problems since installing NS3.1 on my NeXTcube. Unfortunately, none of the suggestions have helped. Perhaps I should provide more info. I'm hearing a lot about a file called /etc/resolv.conf. I've never heard of this before. Never messed with it in NS2.0, 2.1, or 3.0. For everyone's information, this NeXTcube dials up to a local university and gets & sends email via a UUCP connection. It has worked fine for several years. Now with 3.1, all I get are returned messages anytime I or any users on our net try to send something out. File /etc/resolv.conf does not exist, I just checked. If it should exist now, what should be in it? [Why didn't NeXT document this somewhere in the upgrade package!?!?!? argh :-(. ] I sure would like to get this working again. For what it's worth, I have always set the DM to be "DMuucp" and the DR and DR's to "DRucsd" and "CRucsd" where ucsd is the name of a system in the /etc/uucp/L.sys file. Thanks to all those NeXTfolk that are helping me out with this! ** brian dear ** brian@coconut.com ** coconut computing, inc **
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Date: 3 Oct 1993 23:45:37 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <28no71$mf6@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Glenn@rightbrain.com wrote... >It sounds like you have three of them, not just one. One does the >melting, one moves your dock to the bottom of the screen, and one >flings all your windows around. > >All three of these are buried inside PasteUp and are typically only >invoked if you option-click weird things, so you shouldn't stumble >on all of them at once and not know it. However, if you accidentally >selected the .eps files inside the PasteUp app wrapper and launched >them in Preview, you'd get the behavior you describe. Okay, for those of us silly enough to actually want to try these things intentionally, what thinks can we click on to see these wild contortions? I'm curious, but I don't like running EPS files that I don't have any control over whatsoever (or very little at least). Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail accepted, but not preferred | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | The Prime Directive forbids our interfering with a `---- | developing flame-war. But that's never stopped us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) Subject: Working with imported images, Q&S Message-ID: <CECHIE.93K@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 23:35:01 GMT The soup is hot. Here's a question followed by some suggestions (probably neither are quite original). I was reading my PasteUp manual (nothing else to do, I'm still on NS 2.1... 8^) and came to think about how inconvenient it is to work with a document that imports things from outside apps (eg a PasteUp document containing a drawing made with Create): if I'm in PasteUp and want to modify my drawing, I must pass through the cycle find drawing.create open it in Create make modifications SAVE AS drawing.eps return to PasteUp A lots of clicking an TWO copies of the same information, drawing.create + drawing.eps ... From my readings I guess things work better with EquationBuilder equations. They are saved in eps AND contains info that makes them the native file format too, so you have only ONE copy of the file: it can be viewed by other apps AND edited by the creating app. In PasteUP all you have to do is use an inspector to launch EquationBuilder et voila! no more open/edit/save-as-eps cycling ... It should work like this for all imported stuff: the native format (editable by the creating app) should be viewable. Documents are objects, No? Why can't PasteUp send a message like [drawing.create giveMeSomeEPS]? Don't WorkSpace content inspectors work like that? Or filters? Question: How far are we from that functionality? And while we are at it, why not a giveMeSomeAscii for indexing small blobs of text in Create, and a giveMeSomeTIFF, etc... ? But those methods are always the same for all objects created by an application (drawing1.create, drawing2.create) so to avoid duplication a 'rendering' object is designed and put in a place like ~/Apps alongside Create.app, and used each time PasteUp wants an eps version of drawing.create . If moved to another system, the importing documents grabs a (free) copy of the rendering object along with the imported drawing so the other user could see the drawing in PasteUp AND still edit it if he's a proud owner of Create. Are we ready for THE SOUP? ~ Raymond Lutz, etudiant 2e cycle matiere condensee, departement de physique Universite de Montreal ND cube newbe wannabe ascii mail at lutzray@physcn.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: README Message-ID: <1993Oct4.012819.2487@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco References: <1993Oct1.210247.11701@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 01:28:19 GMT Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) wrote: : A lot of original postings recently seem to have their distribution set : to something other than "world". Being in Germany, I only get to read the : followups, which can be rather annoying, especially in cases like the : demise of Appsoft etc. : So please, please, take the 10 seconds of time and set your default : distribution to "world" or nothing, instead of "usa" or some such. NewsGrazer has the annoying habit of setting default distribution to usa. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tekton Font Message-ID: <1344@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 Oct 93 01:26:57 GMT References: <28nep2$8ue@ftp.alleg.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Jason Heideloff writes > I was just wondering if anyone out on the net has a working copy of the > Tekton font? I got it off an FTP site and I have been trying to get it to > work but whenever I use it, I can't get it to print and it doesn't look > anything like it should! Can someone help? Tekton is a copyrighted font that is owned by Adobe Systems. If you got it off an FTP site, several people have broken the law, and you should delete it. The FTP site should similarly be contacted that they have copyrighted fonts on their server. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEXTSTEP re-entry: advice sought Message-ID: <2951.2caf3cce@mbcl.rutgers.edu> Date: 4 Oct 93 00:57:50 GMT Greetings, I am attempting to re-acquaint myself with NEXTSTEP. A few years back, I attended Developer's Camp, and never really had the time to work extensively with the system after that. I have access to a (mono) '040 cube, and now want to spend some time working on it. I need a jump-start on a few issues, and would appreciate whatever advice anyone can give. 1) The thing is still running version 2.x, but I have the upgrades to 3.0 and 3.1. I first need to decide whether or not to upgrade. Does any of the software installed on the 2.x system (Improv, WordPerfect, WriteNow, Sybase, Lisp, Co-Xist, Mathematica) still work with 3.x? For which of these do upgrades exist, and how costly are they? 2) How much of the development environment has changed? Should I toss my camp notes, or is most of the stuff still applicable? Or should I re-do the exercises under 2.x, and *then* upgrade? 3) If the move to 3.x is really dire, is it possible to partition my disk (it's big) and have *both* systems installed, booting each as needed? 4) I may also have access to a NeXtDimension board and display. Is this even supported under 3.x? Is it worth installing? How does it impact performance of the rest of the system for "ordinary" tasks? 5) Finally, what's the current wisdom on FAX modems and software ? The state of play the last time I looked was that NeXT had put FAX services into the system, but there was a lot of net traffic about problems, bugs, etc. What's the deal now? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help with advice and/or pointers! Greg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gregory H. Hamm || Phone: (908)932-4864 Director, Molecular Biology Computing Lab || FAX: (908)932-5735 Waksman Institute/CABM || BITNET: hamm@biovax P.O. Box 759, Rutgers University || Internet: hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu Piscataway, NJ 08855-0759 * USA || - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcdavis1@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH CARL DAVIS) Subject: f2c : getting the f77 script to work Message-ID: <1993Oct4.025313.3663@ncsu.edu> Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: NCSU Project Eos Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 02:53:13 GMT Hello everyone: I am trying to get f2c to work on my NeXT station. I have compiled the thing, but I can't seem to get the f77 script ( not labeled fc ) to work. It seems to want the function 'getopt' as a program. I downloaded the GNU textutils, and it had getopt as a part of the 'C' library. I couldn't get it to compile as a stand-alone program. So, I am trying to see if anyone out there can tell me how to get the f77 script to work so that i can use all of the FOrtran code taht I have. thanks in advance.... regards, jcd . -- \ Joseph C. Davis jcdavis1@eos.ncsu.edu People are not basically \ \ (919) 515-7452 stupid, they just act \ \ that way... \ \\\\\|||||//////\\\\\\|||||/////\\\\\\|||||\\\\\//////||||||\\\\\/////||||///
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1993Oct4.083333.7341@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: Twente University, Dept. of Computer Science References: <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 08:33:33 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > It sounds like you have three of them, not just one. One does the > melting, one moves your dock to the bottom of the screen, and one > flings all your windows around. > > All three of these are buried inside PasteUp and are typically only > invoked if you option-click weird things, so you shouldn't stumble > on all of them at once and not know it. However, if you accidentally > selected the .eps files inside the PasteUp app wrapper and launched > them in Preview, you'd get the behavior you describe. > > Do you have a copy of PasteUp? [You're not in our database, but there > was a demo Intel version of PasteUp on one of the CD-ROMs distributed > with NS/Intel]. Do you remember poking around inside PasteUp.app? > Maybe that's what caused it. Thanks Glenn. You are right. I used the portfolio app supplied by NeXT to scan the CD for goodlooking icons for my own folders. It seems that it is not a virus after all :-) Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893716,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: Working with imported images, Q&S Message-ID: <1993Oct4.033239.804@stone.com> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <CECHIE.93K@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 03:32:39 GMT In article <CECHIE.93K@cc.umontreal.ca> lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) writes: > The soup is hot. > > Here's a question followed by some suggestions > (probably neither are quite original). > > I was reading my PasteUp manual (nothing else to do, I'm > still on NS 2.1... 8^) and came to think about how > inconvenient it is to work with a document that imports > things from outside apps (eg a PasteUp document containing a > drawing made with Create): if I'm in PasteUp and want > to modify my drawing, I must pass through the cycle > > find drawing.create > open it in Create > make modifications > SAVE AS drawing.eps > return to PasteUp > > A lots of clicking an TWO copies of the same information, > drawing.create + drawing.eps ... > > Question: How far are we from that functionality? > It's Here, Now. With Create 2.0, just copy the image, and any application that supports object linking, just Paste and Link the image in. Set the update mode to "continuously", and you can edit it in both the importing app and the original Create document in real time. Currently, Diagram2!, Edit, and Mesa support object linking, I'm sure PasteUp2 will have it, and other ISV's should post if their app supports object linking. > And while we are at it, why not a giveMeSomeAscii for > indexing small blobs of text in Create, and a > giveMeSomeTIFF, etc... ? > > But those methods are always the same for all objects > created by an application (drawing1.create, drawing2.create) > so to avoid duplication a 'rendering' object is designed > and put in a place like ~/Apps alongside Create.app, and > used each time PasteUp wants an eps version of > drawing.create . If moved to another system, the importing > documents grabs a (free) copy of the rendering object > along with the imported drawing so the other user could > see the drawing in PasteUp AND still edit it if he's a > proud owner of Create. > > Are we ready for THE SOUP? > I wrote Create.services, a filter service, which does exactly that - however, there is a bug in the 3.1 NeXTSTEP Text Object which crashes when performing translations of files which are actually document wrappers. So, we had to opt for either providing object linking [which required a serialized file format] or the filter service of Drag & drop Create documents to be translated into Ascii, RTF, EPS or TIFF. We selected the former, since NEXT can always fix the bug, and thus we'll provide the filter services when this happens. So, soup's on. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Using HP DeskWriter on Black hardware Date: 4 Oct 93 12:31:51 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.749737911@ramazzotti> References: <CE73q4.B7B@csn.org> erik@csn.org (Erik Mugele) writes: >I have an HP DeskWriter (for the macintosh, not the HP DeskJet 5xx) that >I would like to use with my black slab. What will it take in the way >of hardware/software to make the DeskWriter work with my black hardware? >Is it even possible? Hm.. I didn't do this myself, but perhaps I can give you some pointers. As far as I know (ask your computer dealer for verification), the difference between the DeskWriter and the DeskJet ist that the DeskWriter has an RS 422 interface and a different cable. Since your black NeXT machine has RS422 output, this should be no problem. The first thing you should check out is attaching the printer to a serial port, setting an appropriate baud rate, stop bits and other stuff using the stty command, and simply try to output a couple of bytes. If this works, get the djf_for_3.0.tar.Z package from the archives, e.g. sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It should work without any modifications. Feel free to contact me by mail if you have any problems. Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need Lefty Casual font. Date: 4 Oct 1993 14:01:27 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <28pabn$26j@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Keywords: font, lefty casual I would like a copy of the Lefty Casual font (unless it's copyrighted). Could someone tell me where I could find it and how to get it up and running? -- Bryan Milligan bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu ---- Unless otherwise noted, I speak for none but myself. ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Tekton Font Message-ID: <1993Oct4.161048.20005@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1344@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 16:10:48 GMT Glenn Reid writes > Tekton is a copyrighted font that is owned by Adobe Systems. If > you got it off an FTP site, several people have broken the law, > and you should delete it. The FTP site should similarly be > contacted that they have copyrighted fonts on their server. In addition, many of Adobe's font names are themselves trademarked, and any unauthorized use of those names (Tekton (TM) is one) is illegal - even if the "font" isn't a straight copy of the Adobe font program. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: stone@cosy.sbg.ac.at Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <stone.93Oct4192334@virus.cosy> Sender: news@cosy.sbg.ac.at Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria References: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 18:23:34 GMT I have the same problem on my ACER 486/66 with ATI GUP Localbus PLEASE HELP US ! thanx in advance stone 8-((
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dekorte@next1.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen Lee Dekorte) Subject: .compressed? Sender: usenet@mailer.cc.fsu.edu Organization: Florida State University ACNS Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 18:02:24 GMT Message-ID: <CEDws0.J6M@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> How do I uncompress .compressed format? Is this a 3.x thing? Thanks for any info, Steve Pr. please respond by email.
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Using mail from NeXT to Novell NetWare Date: 4 Oct 1993 15:41:00 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <28pu8c$mt1@nova.umd.edu> Keywords: Mail, Netware We have a small network with a NeXT "server" and a SUN Sparc. Several PC's are connected via EtherNet and have been using telnet to connect to the NeXT. Recently the PC's were networked together using Novell Netware. Since I have 3.0 on the NeXT I quickly became a client to access the PC server's disk space and printer :-) <--Really big grin, Thanks, NeXT! Anyway, here is my question--I have the NeXT set up to dial out to a service to access internet mail. How can I set things set up to automatically forward the incoming mail to the PC users and get their mail out to the service? What mail software do we need to get for the PCs to get this working? Since we again have gotten telnet working with NetWare (no easy feat), I assume we could use POPmail--is this a correct assumption? Any opinions and/or recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) Subject: Newsgrazer problem... Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 19:50:41 GMT Message-ID: <CEE1sL.IAu@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Hi There: Everytime I try to start up NewsGrazer it gives me the "Alert" window that says: "No nntp server machine specified-please change your Preferences and restart NewsGrazer". I then change the nntp server on the preferences, press OK, and restart the application. When I start the application I get the same problem again. HOW CAN I SAVE THE PREFERENCES? Thanks in advance, Richard Dib dib@psp.att.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Message-ID: <id.VD631.EZI@nmti.com> Organization: Network/development platform support, NMTI References: <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.com> <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 19:39:01 GMT In article <CE4np0.51u@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: > Stock defense #2: Excuse me? What makes a "real" application? A "real" application is one that's used by someone who's not in the computer business. Something user-friendly with lots of prompts and menus and stuff. On UNIX, that means it uses curses or X Windows. And it probably depends on system files being in usual places (/etc/passwd for example) or a standard interface working the way it's supposed to (getpwuid). Remember, the target market UnixWare is aimed at is that sort of end-users. Not people building embedded applications... they're going to want real-time UNIX lookalikes (QNX, for example) and something like BSDI for developers. All the fancy chrome in UnixWare and the ability to run Windows apps is almost completely irrelevant. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast Du heute schon Deinen Wolf umarmt?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: mike@cd.com (Mike Heins) Subject: Re: Using mail from NeXT to Novell NetWare Message-ID: <CEE5J2.1Bs@cd.com> Keywords: Mail, Netware Organization: Central Data Corp. References: <28pu8c$mt1@nova.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 21:11:26 GMT In <28pu8c$mt1@nova.umd.edu> fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: >We have a small network with a NeXT "server" and a SUN Sparc. Several >PC's are connected via EtherNet and have been using telnet to connect >to the NeXT. Recently the PC's were networked together using Novell >Netware. Since I have 3.0 on the NeXT I quickly became a client to access >the PC server's disk space and printer :-) <--Really big grin, Thanks, NeXT! >Anyway, here is my question--I have the NeXT set up to dial out to >a service to access internet mail. How can I set things set up to automatically >forward the incoming mail to the PC users and get their mail out to the >service? What mail software do we need to get for the PCs to get this working? We use Pegasus Mail combined with Charon, a SMTP gateway for Pegasus Mail. Both are freeware, and we have used them for linking email for over 18 months without a hitch. Try FTP to clarkson.edu for the files. Regards, -- ______ ) ( Mike Heins (sm) / | Central Data Corporation The scsiSystems Company ( * | Internet: mikeh@cd.com "We port hardware." \_ | 1602 Newton Dr., Champaign, IL 61821 \ | / / 800/482-0315 or 217/359-8010 (FAX 6904) \/\/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scott@parsec.mixcom.com (Scott Violet) Subject: Recommendations for purchasing Gateway Message-ID: <1993Oct4.203725.1920@parsec.mixcom.com> Summary: What cards to get Keywords: Gateway, cards, ATI Organization: SmartSoft Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 20:37:25 GMT Hi all, Well, I know that this topic has been hotly debated lately. But could someone that has ordered a Gateway in the past couple of weeks please tell me what hardware I need to request to be able to install NSI on it. I've heard the CD is useless, is this true? What SCSI card should I ask for? Do the newer ATI Ultra Star graphics cards work alright? Any suggestions would be great as I order tomorrow. Thanks, Scott Violet (scott@parsec.mixcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J J Farrell) Subject: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Message-ID: <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> Organization: International Computers Limited References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 00:54:25 GMT In article <rick.749640410@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: > >>I know several SW companies developing their "real world applications" >>with gcc, since its the best and most stable compiler. > >A little off the track, but I couldn't let this go. We use gcc >for many things around here, but it is *not* the best compiler >for all platforms, if you measure best by code quality. > >The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A fairly precise specification of a particular compiler version. >faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the ^^^ A totally imprecise specification covering dozens of versions. >Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. Please let us know which of the many versions of gcc you are using, which chip your copy of gcc is tuned for, which chip the 4.2 compiler is tuned for, what levels of optimisation you use with both, and what chip you ran the produced binary on for the timing comparisons. The nature of the code being compiled would also be very interesting as compilers can be world beaters in one aspect and lag well behind the field in all others. We'll then be able to judge the importance and relevance of the figures you report. A private posting - I do not speak for my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: larry@gator.oau.org (Larry D Snyder) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CEEIH3.Ay7@gator.oau.org> Organization: Gator Communications, Orlando, Florida References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 01:51:02 GMT rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% >faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the >Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. so then by the same token, the USL compiler with SVR4 produces code that runs 30%+ faster than SCO's Microsoft compiler? -- Larry Snyder Internet: larry@gator.oau.org Orlando, Florida UUCP: ..!uunet!tarpit!gator!larry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Is the new ATI GUP 1120x832x16 driver bad for my hardware? Message-ID: <1993Oct5.025313.23300@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 02:53:13 GMT I've also noticed the "interference" problem with the new high resolution color ATI GUP driver, but it doesn't really bother me for now, and I'm using it. I have two questions for anybody in the know: 1) Since the ATI GUP isn't advertised as supporting this resolution, is using this resolution in any way "bad" for my hardware? 2) Is the problem something that can be fixed with software? Will we see a fixed driver sometime in the future? Or is this as good as my ATI GUP can do? Thanks! I love the extra screen real estate! David
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT upgrade deadline. Message-ID: <1993Oct3.032654.5100@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 3 Oct 93 03:26:54 GMT References: <1993Sep30.230858.8802@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> <CE8x3J.Kuu@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. John Bartley (john@wpa.com) wrote: I wrote: : > : > Methinks the user registration sheet had a misprint, since there is no : > 31st of September. Most likely, October 31st is the right date. : > : > After all, people who ordered the 3.1 upgrade in the last week would : > have no way of registering before the end of September. That'd be : > pretty stupid, dontcha think? : I bought 6 black user and developer upgrades a couple of weeks ago. They : were all shipped very quickly (I was concerned that they might arrive : after September 30 and not be upgradeable) and I was able to call them all : in on time. All of my user licenses said "register by September 30" and : all of my developer licenses said "register by October 31." Ahh. I see said the blind man....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: .compressed? Message-ID: <1993Oct5.041529.25219@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CEDws0.J6M@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 04:15:29 GMT Stephen Lee Dekorte writes > How do I uncompress .compressed format? This question seems to come up a lot. Am I the only one wondering why NeXT chose not to just call these things .tar.Z, which is what they are? Along the same lines, the contents inspector panel will uncompress a variety of formats. I wonder if Opener might not be more usefully recast as a set of filters that would work through the contents panel uncompress button? (BTW, the answer to the original question is to call up the contents inspector panel in workspace and hit uncompress) -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Recommendations for purchasing Gateway Message-ID: <1993Oct5.041911.25447@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Oct4.203725.1920@parsec.mixcom.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 04:19:11 GMT Scott Violet writes > Well, I know that this topic has been hotly debated > lately. But could someone that has ordered a Gateway in > the past couple of weeks please tell me what hardware I need to > request to be able to install NSI on it. I've heard the CD is > useless, is this true? What SCSI card should I ask for? Do the > newer ATI Ultra Star graphics cards work alright? Any suggestions > would be great as I order tomorrow. DON'T. New gateways DO NOT repeat NOT work with NeXTSTEP. From a previous post: > IF YOU WANT TO RUN NEXTSTEP, DO NOT BUY GATEWAY 2000! > Unfortunately, the newest Gateway Machines are NOT > compatible with NeXTSTEP. Apparently, Micronics (the > motherboard manufacturer) removed support for PS/2 keyboard > and mouse emulation (???) from the chip set in their newest > motherboard release. Without this, NeXTSTEP will not work. > There is no work around and Micronics has refused to work > with NeXT on this issue. Therefore, this is an unsolvable > problem. > I have just spent the last two days trying to install NS on > a new Gateway 2000 66V without success. After extensive > talks with both Gateway and NeXT, I am sending the machine back. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 5 Oct 1993 00:01:26 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <28qrik$2q5@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: Re: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Message-ID: <gslCEEuHK.Anp@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <gslCDzAB0.9C2@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 06:10:30 GMT Here's what I've found out from fiddling plus the mail everyone has sent: On NS/FIP to cpio or tar to floppies so they are exchangable with other unix boxes: - logon as root (from terminal.app you can su) - put a formatted floppy in drive FIRST - issue tar or cpio command for device /dev/rfd0b The only wrinkle I found is there is no "format" command. You have to format the floppy from the workspace or use a pre-formated one. You can format it as either NeXT or DOS. When you write it will wipe out the filesystem format. Don't forget to "eject" the floppy from the workspace first. If you don't have the floppy in the drive before you issue the command you get a prompt to insert it, but since the auto-detect-floppy logic doesn't work on Intel it can't tell when you did it and you have to abort. I haven't tried multi-floppy tar's or cpio's yet, but some of the mail I got suggested it was difficult to get it to work. Thanks to everyone who contributed. : : Greg Lindholm : : gsl@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@tantalus.scl.ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Tekton Font Message-ID: <CEEvpC.MvJ@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1344@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 06:36:48 GMT Glenn Reid writes []Jason Heideloff writes []> I was just wondering if anyone out on the net has a working copy of the []> Tekton font? I got it off an FTP site and I have been trying to get it to []> work but whenever I use it, I can't get it to print and it doesn't look []> anything like it should! Can someone help? [] []Tekton is a copyrighted font that is owned by Adobe Systems. If you got []it off an FTP site, several people have broken the law, and you should []delete it. The FTP site should similarly be contacted that they have []copyrighted fonts on their server. Based on the original poster's comments, I would guess he got the "Tekton for TeX" package Erik Sowa was nice enough to provide and post to the archives, and the reason it doesn't "look at all like it should" is that the poster does not own the actual font, hence TeX substitutes Courier or Ohlf's for Tekton. So no laws broken on anyone's part, and now you have a potential customer for Tekton. . . . but who will sell NeXT fonts now that you've left the field of battle? TLM -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Using HP DeskWriter on Black hardware Message-ID: <CEEvvr.GEx@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <CE73q4.B7B@csn.org> <neuss.749737911@ramazzotti> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 06:40:39 GMT In article <neuss.749737911@ramazzotti> neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) writes: [ ] >>I have an HP DeskWriter (for the macintosh, not the HP DeskJet 5xx) that >>I would like to use with my black slab. What will it take in the way >>of hardware/software to make the DeskWriter work with my black hardware? >>Is it even possible? >Hm.. I didn't do this myself, but perhaps I can give you some pointers. >As far as I know (ask your computer dealer for verification), the difference >between the DeskWriter and the DeskJet ist that the DeskWriter has an >RS 422 interface and a different cable. Since your black NeXT machine >has RS422 output, this should be no problem. The first thing you should >check out is attaching the printer to a serial port, setting an appropriate >baud rate, stop bits and other stuff using the stty command, and simply >try to output a couple of bytes. If this works, get the djf_for_3.0.tar.Z >package from the archives, e.g. sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It should work >without any modifications. This won't work. The DeskWriter and Deskjet are very different in the way the printer commands work. The Deskjet is based on PCL ( like the LJ). The DeskWriter is not. I'm not sure what the printer language of a DW is, but it appears to fall under the "Quickdraw" printer category. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: ctm@ardi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: 5 Oct 93 05:38:01 GMT Article-I.D.: cobra.CEEszB.6Go References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI In article <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Bart Botma writes >> Yesterday, it hit my intel NeXT again. That beautiful software goody >> from the old times called "melt." I hate it. And I don't know >> where it comes from. But the symptoms are still the same: your >> docks flips to the bottom, the screen melts and your windows >> vanish, and only after a considerable wasted time your windows >> reappear. > >It sounds like you have three of them, not just one. One does the >melting, one moves your dock to the bottom of the screen, and one >flings all your windows around. > >All three of these are buried inside PasteUp and are typically only >invoked if you option-click weird things, so you shouldn't stumble >on all of them at once and not know it. However, if you accidentally >selected the .eps files inside the PasteUp app wrapper and launched >them in Preview, you'd get the behavior you describe. > >Do you have a copy of PasteUp? [You're not in our database, but there >was a demo Intel version of PasteUp on one of the CD-ROMs distributed >with NS/Intel]. Do you remember poking around inside PasteUp.app? >Maybe that's what caused it. > >-- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 No. It's this kind of blatant commercial post that is going to make the Feds Just take Usenet away. Here's how Glenn should have responded: It sounds like you have three of them, not just one. One does the melting, one moves your dock to the bottom of the screen, and one flings all your windows around. All three of these are buried inside a commercial application that I know of and are typically only invoked if you option-click weird things, so you shouldn't stumble on all of them at once and not know it. However, if you accidentally selected the files that are encapsulated versions of a commercial page description language inside the commercial application that I know of's app wrapper and launched them in a piece of software that you only get when you send a particular amount of money to a particular company that makes Operating Systems, you'd get the behavior you describe. I have more comments, but you need to Phone/FAX/E-mail me. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@someuniversity.edu a software company Glenn's HOME phone # (Glenn's HOME FAX #) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 Isn't even the mention of the company name, company phone number, said company's e-mail address or FAX # an advertisement? adobe shouldn't be plugged mentioning ".eps", either. Despite Preview not being charged for separately, you obviously can't use it unless you license NEXTSTEP from NEXT. There are sufficiently few companies that make Operating Systems these days that it might have us better served by saying "a particular company that makes stuff", instead of simply "that makes Operating Systems", but I don't want to be an extremist. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com [I guess it would be possible to sneak in secret commercial messages by spelling them using the first sentence of each non-indented line, but who would take the effort to do such a thing, unless there were some sort of HINT that SUCH A MESSAGE *IS* THERE, just for the looking]
From: med@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de (T.Hoellrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( :-)) Date: 05 Oct 1993 16:12:57 GMT Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Informationssystem AG Message-ID: <MED.93Oct5101257@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de> References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu> In-reply-to: ctm@ardi.com's message of 5 Oct 93 05:38:01 GMT > > [I guess it would be possible to sneak in secret commercial messages by > spelling them using the first sentence of each non-indented line, but > who would take the effort to do such a thing, unless there were some > sort of HINT that SUCH A MESSAGE *IS* THERE, just for the looking] Nathan its your turn !!!!! :-) Every day you don't smile is a wasted day! Cliff - thanks! Tobias -- ____/| Tobias Hoellrich, Nietzschestr.26, 80807 Muenchen, Germany \ o.O| phone: +49-89-359 03 54 =(_)= email: med@d012s648.zfe.siemens.de U NeXTMail: tobias@nextix.muc.de
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Date: 5 Oct 1993 08:39:14 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <28rpti$89r@nova.umd.edu> References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu> In article <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu>, <ctm@ardi.com> wrote: >In article <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: [Everything deleted--Glenn's response and the PC (Politically Correct) reply he "should" have given.] Is this why Glenn is closing up shop? That PC last line should have read: "A once great software company somewhere on the west coast". Best of luck Glenn! Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] cpio or tar to diskette Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 10:18:59 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4ggM9Hi00YUn9ekasD@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <gslCEEuHK.Anp@netcom.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Oct-93 Re: [Q] cpio or tar to disk.. by Greg Lindholm@netcom.com > The only wrinkle I found is there is no "format" command. You have > to format the floppy from the workspace or use a pre-formated one. > You can format it as either NeXT or DOS. When you write it will > wipe out the filesystem format. Don't forget to "eject" the floppy > from the workspace first. Try fdform (/usr/etc/fdform).... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <john-051093083731@johnppp.byu.edu> From: john@kolob.byu.edu (John K. Peterson) Date: 5 Oct 93 08:48:06 -0700 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc References: <1993Oct3.135042.7933@cs.utwente.nl> <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University In article <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu>, ctm@ardi.com wrote: > No. It's this kind of blatant commercial post that is going to make the > Feds Just take Usenet away. Here's how Glenn should have responded: [ crazy 'commercially correct' version deleted ] I've got news for you. Soon they'll be no 'acceptable use' policy on the Internet. In fact, the Internet as we know it will change forever. Once the backbone is opened up to the several companies just dying to get it... The current contract ends April '94. So you might start getting used to commercialism on the Internet. It's going to be one big Prodigy until the proper legislation gets in place. jp John_Peterson@byu.edu
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .compressed? Date: 5 Oct 1993 15:39:18 GMT Organization: Compuer Science Undergrad Assoc, UCBerkeley Message-ID: <28s4f6$m0e@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <CEDws0.J6M@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> <1993Oct5.041529.25219@leland.stanford.edu> In article <1993Oct5.041529.25219@leland.stanford.edu>, Stefano Pagiola <spagiola@leland.stanford.edu> wrote: >This question seems to come up a lot. Am I the only one wondering >why NeXT chose not to just call these things .tar.Z, which is what >they are? I think they wanted to stick to their naming convention where everything after the last . is the file descriptoin, but all before that is the name. Thefore foo.tar.Z is foo.tar in Z format, is how that convention worked. Opener (I believe) has to look at the whole filename to determine the format, while .compressed doesn't. Although .compressed has two meanings. If it's an individual file, .compressed is just file.Z, but if it's more then one, it's a .tar.Z file. -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing. Too sane to be happy, too mad to be content. I'm not paranoid. A paranoid only thinks that the world is out to get him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mike@xexos.com (Mike Llewellyn) Subject: Help! Problems with file I/O using C Message-ID: <1993Oct5.144218.14117@xexos.com> Keywords: simple Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 14:42:18 GMT I know this is a very trivial problem, but I would be grateful to anyone who could help me - I am just learning C, and currently playing with file reading/writing. Whenever I try to read using fscanf or fgets from a file that has opened ok and already exists, I get a bus error. This seems to be happenning a lot to me, and it is usually very easily fixed, but I just cannot find out what is wrong this time, and its rapidly driving me insane!! Thanks, Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1993Oct5.144705.342@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com References: <CEEszB.6Go@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 14:47:05 GMT THERE'S A WHOLE ROW OF CYA SMILIES AT THE END OF THIS POST. PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. ctm@ardi.com writes [original quote of Glenn Reid's article, which just further distributes the very post that has been deemed offensive, deleted ;-)] >No. It's this kind of blatant commercial post that is going to >make the Feds Just take Usenet away. Here's how Glenn should have >responded: > > It sounds like you have three of them, not just one. One does > the melting, one moves your dock to the bottom of the screen, > and one flings all your windows around. > > All three of these are buried inside a commercial application > that I know of and are typically only invoked if you option-click > weird things, so you shouldn't stumble on all of them at once > and not know it. However, if you accidentally selected the > files that are encapsulated versions of a commercial page > description language inside the commercial application that > I know of's app wrapper and launched them in a piece of software > that you only get when you send a particular amount of money > to a particular company that makes Operating Systems, you'd > get the behavior you describe. > > I have more comments, but you need to Phone/FAX/E-mail me. > > -- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@someuniversity.edu > a software company Glenn's HOME phone # (Glenn's HOME FAX #) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 > >Isn't even the mention of the company name, company phone number, >said company's e-mail address or FAX # an advertisement? > >adobe shouldn't be plugged mentioning ".eps", either. > >Despite Preview not being charged for separately, you obviously >can't use it unless you license NEXTSTEP from NEXT. There are >sufficiently few companies that make Operating Systems these days >that it might have us better served by saying "a particular company >that makes stuff", instead of simply "that makes Operating Systems", >but I don't want to be an extremist. It would be an advertisement, if Glenn's company was still in business, and still selling the product in question. As a matter of fact, neither of those is the case, and the product has been acquired by another company, which I will not name in order not to offend the net.advertising.police, except to say that I work there and own part of it. Shouldn't we also forbid e-mail addresses of the form name@company.com, because it could be construed as advertising? How about banishing ".com" forever from the net, so that only government (.gov, .mil), academic (.edu), and non-profit (.org) people are allowed? How about private citizens who may have computers with T1 carriers in their homes? IMNSHO they should be kicked off as well if they have any intention of acquiring money for any purpose whatsoever. Is there even a net.designation for such people (John_Doe@machine.ind, .per, what)? If not, don't start one, or the very fabric of net.society will rip apart at the seams. Not advertising in any way (really, and I mean that), Michael Pizolato, CTO Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Purveyors of Fine Software Products Such As PasteUp(tm) Since 1982 P.S. The above is purely for informational or entertainment purposes, and should not be interpreted in any way as promotional material for our or any other organization. None of the people, organizations, animals, or politicians mentioned take any responsibility for the LOSS OF THE INTER/USENET should anyone misinterpret the intention of this posting. Sheesh. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fe10igorm@uni-lj.si (Igor Milavec) Subject: NS 3.2 & MS Windows Message-ID: <1993Oct5.174501.1@uni-lj.si> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: University of Ljubljana, Slovenia Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 16:45:01 GMT Hi. I've got different information regarding the MS Win emulation in NS 3.2... Will it be the real thing or just 60-day demo? Regards, Igor --- Internet: igor.milavec@uni-lj.si ! Brilejeva 3 X.400 : igor.milavec@uni-lj.ac.mail.si ! 61000 Ljubljana UUCP : ...!uunet!mcsun!ninurta!rculj!perun!igor ! Slovenija Fido : igor.milavec@fidonet#2:380/113 ! Europe
From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.2 ???? Date: 5 Oct 1993 17:00:09 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <28s96p$5b2@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <chris.749063647@du139-207.cc.iastate.edu> Chris Wong (chris@iastate.edu) wrote: : In <CDwuEF.2Mo@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: : >SoftNode feature as part of that demo. (My source may not be reasonably : >reliable on this feature though.) : What's SoftNode anyway? It is vaporware that supposedly allows a SoftPC client to attach to a Netware server as a workstation. Since I upgraded to SoftPC version 3, I have not been able to run DOS execs in the SoftPC window if they reside on the Netware server. I called Insignia at least three times and was told that someone would return my call. But I *never* got a return call. The third time I called them, I was able to confirm that SoftNode is nothing but vaporware and was told that they were not planning to release it. They told me that I should load an updated copy of NUC.NLM. Since then I've been busy with other things so I haven't been able to fix the problem. But I am not impressed at all with the attitude of the people I've spoken with at Insignia. -- =============================================================================== Hector Mandel, CHP (217) 244-7237 |E-mail: h-mandel@uiuc.edu Head, Health Physics Section |Snail mail: 101 S. Gregory St. Division of Environmental Health and Safety | Urbana, IL 61801 ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: SUMMARY: Best Intel Box (of DG/Intel/Epson/Dell) Message-ID: <thompsonCEFqB6.8xG@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Saperstein, et al. Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 17:37:53 GMT Here are the answers I received in response to my query regarding the best of Dell/Epson/Intel/Data General 486 machines for running NEXTSTEP. At the firm I work at we already have a DG AViiON, so DG is pushing hard to sell us the 486s too. Apparently their machines perform about as well as the Intel too (depending on which boards/ components you go with, etc.) The Intel/GX appears to be the consensus choice, however. A couple of people mentiond the DEC, and I would like to hear more about it if it is indeed as good or better than the Intel or DG. Thanks to everyone who contributed! I left off everyone's names just in case--but if I didn't thank you individually, let me thank you now; you know who you are :) Eric thompson@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I use the Intel GX with 32 of RAM plus the DEC 1 gig drive. The machine is the best that I have tried from your list. The sound via the motherboard is a little bit poor until 3.2 and the video is slow. Other than that a great machine. Bear in mind that NeXT was going to OEM the box before the Feb night of the long knives and that the Intel port was written and tested on GX's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I set up a Dell/Jaws system for my wife. Everything seems to be working great. The only complaint so far is not with the machine itself, but rather with the 3Com ethernet's throughput. Get the Intel, if you're going to set up ethernet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We've tested a Dell 50 Mhz/ JAWS, an Epson NX Progression, a DEC MTE and a Compaq 5/60 Pentium. My infomral impressions are these: Dell Slowest of the group - around 29 MIPS. Graphics run smoother than any of the others. However, I would never buy one until I was convinced that Dell had solved the fuzzy screen problem. You can't view the 17" Dell monitor for more han a half hour without getting a headache. Epson (66 Mhz. 486) Best price of the group. About 10% faster processor and 10% slower graphics than the Dell. This is a reasonable machine for the cost. Compaq (60 Mhz. Pentium) The CPU benchmarks at an excellent 54 MIPS. (The old black slabs are about 18 MIPS.) The graphics speed is irregular. (When the CPU speed is most important it does fine, but moving windows around the display causes considerable ghosts and tearing.) We like them because most of our use is CPU-intensive, but they aren't pleasant if you do a lot of window opening, closing and moving. Of course, the Compaq is very pricey. DEC (66 Mhz. 486 w/ S928 graphics) This machine is my personal choice for the money. It benchmarks at 40 MIPS, has the fastest disk of the bunch and has graphics speed that is roughly equivalent to the Dell. I don't have time to give you all of the details of our tests. However, all machines are roughly the same configuration - that being about 24MB of memory, 240 MB hard disk, and 17" monitor. Some suggestions... Don't buy a non-recommended configuration unless you have plenty of time for trouble loading NeXTSTEP. (We wasted two weeks on a Zenith machine.) Look carefully at the monitor. (We like the NEC 5 FG, but not the FGE's, not the Dell Ultrascan's, not Compaq's monitors, etc.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My brother bought a DEC PC and is quite happy with it. The display resolution is 1280 by 1024 and he says it's pretty fast. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We've got all four. Out of the four Epsons that we purchased two of the hard drives have died. The Dells were terribly late in arrival and the support is terrible. I would recommend either the DG or the Intel. The DG is your basic eisa machine just like the Dell (just with better support). For us, the video is a little slow in the DG and DG insists on selling 3comm ethernet cards. They're terrible. If you plan on doing anything network intensive, your machine will consistently panic. If you're going to buy a DG, just buy an Intel ethernet card instead. Now the Intels will be much better once on board sound and on board scsi drivers are released. And Intel support is excellent. The only problem I have with Intel boxes is that you have to find a decent company to buy them from: one that installs NEXTSTEP for you, and one that delivers on time. So far, this has been a bit elusive for us. But you do get the choice with Intel of IDE or scsi, although IDE drives are a pain to work with. In fact, if you have an IDE drive, you can't use a DPT 2012/90 to do your install. The whole machine just hangs. Monitor wise - I have a viewsonic 7, which I like. My developers, who are more picky, like the Wyse or the NEC. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have had all of the above on my desk for evaluation purposes, running NeXTSTEP. DG Dasher II ------------ Fast enough the best CPU performance of the machines you'd listed in the configurations we tested, but not outstandingly well designed in any particular way. It's expensive and looks and feels like a PC clone. Epson NX / Progression NX ------------------------- Well designed machine overall but they're ISA only! That means you'll be locked into slow peripheral stuff forever. The video is blazingly fast, but CPU performance was poor compared to everything else at the same clock speed. I'd rate it as a good user machine, but not for developers or power users. Intel GX/Professional --------------------- I love the machine! It's the one that STAYED on my desk. Phenomenally well designed, sleek machine that performs well (CPU performance bested only by the DG box, and not by much). Once the on-board sound and SCSI are supported (both to be included in 3.2), I'll be supremely happy. Only drawbacks: - Only three slots, but given that everything but ethernet is integrated, that's not a big issue for most people - Video is NOT upgradable, as there are no localbus slots, just the integrated localbus controller Note that this is the machine Steve used on stage at Expo '93. With the new ATI drivers, better resolutions become available, but mine couldn't handle 1120 x 832 in color properly (the newer ones using the rev 6a Mach32 chipset MIGHT fare better), but 1280 x 1024 grayscale is a sight to behold! Dell DGX -------- Poorly engineered, slow CPU, but blazing video performance. Originally "the box to turn to" because of the 1120 x 832 color graphics with decent performance, this machine doesn't have much else going for it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I use a Dell 450/L, configured with 28Mb RAM, 1Mb VRAM, 230Mb IDE, 670Mb SCSI, Adaptec 1542B SCSI card, Dell 15" FS monitor. This is a solid, dependable machine. I bought it primarily because it is a supported NEXTSTEP configuration, and that has saved a lot of headaches. I have had no trouble installing any of the NEXTSTEP release software. Were I to change anything, I would go with an EISA configuration. I have no comparison data, but I don't think the ISA takes full advantage of the SCSI and it requires memory buffer games to use I/O in memory addressed above 16Mb. I don't have a network, but I think that would also fare better with EISA. I run the monitor at 800x600 color. It's a bit cramped, but I've gotten used to it. I used to switch to 1024x768 gray for programming, when I have lots of windows in use, but don't bother anymore. Color is nice and that resolution really needs a larger monitor. Video performance is acceptable...not as snappy as the Wingine-based options but OK for general use. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am looking for a machine to run NeXTSTEP also. I thought DEC MTE was the best choice for me to get an fast EISA/SCSI PC to run video communication. However, DEC uses Adatptec 1742 as the controller that is not supported by 3.1, but 3.2. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm using Dell 450DE/2 DGX which has the best graphic performance (even better than Epson Progression.) This machine is the primary machine NeXT port NS too. It's a EISA machine. So, you can get a EISA SCSI controller such as DPT 201X or 202X to increase the disk performance.
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 11:24:32 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct05.182432.2064@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fetching mail for other users A while ago I inquired about fetching mail for other users without logging in as those users, but I didn't get much response. My use of this stems from having various pseudo-users defined for categorizing incoming mail. I make them world readable and can create symbolic links to make them accessible as one of my own mailboxes. But fetching mail has always been a problem, since I have to logout and login as each user to fetch the mail from /usr/spool/mail. I found a much easier workaround for this: run mail from a Terminal shell. > su someone Password: ... > /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail > exit This will create a Mail app under someone's id which will then fetch the mail. Not a perfect solution, since you still have to quit the other Mail apps, but an improvement nonetheless. Peter --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: mcglk@cpac.washington.edu (Ken McGlothlen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: S3-928 driver speed query. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 5 Oct 93 12:20:29 Organization: Dubious. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <MCGLK.93Oct5122029@yang.cpac.washington.edu> Wellllllllll, I'm still lusting after the 1280x1024x16b video of the S3-928 that comes with the DEC MTE, but nobody has posted video benchmarks. I know that the ATI GUP has about 40% of the video performance of the Colorstation Turbo, and that the Dell DGX has about 120% that of the CT. But does *anyone* have information on the S3-928 yet, in 1280x1024 mode? ---Ken McGlothlen mcglk@cpac.washington.edu mcglk@cpac.bitnet
From: mdd@zeke.Rockefeller.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Monthly FAQ posting? Message-ID: <1993Oct5.150522.24890@rockyd.rockefeller.edu> Organization: Rockefeller University Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:05:22 EDT Just wondering if the FAQ is going to appear sometime soon since it is the beginning of a new month. Also, I don't think it ever made it into news.answers last time. This is just meant as a friendly reminder. Mark mdd@zeke.rockefeller.edu
From: bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Date: 05 Oct 1993 20:20:28 GMT Organization: nope Message-ID: <BSON.93Oct5152028@moomin.ai.mit.edu> References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> In-reply-to: jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk's message of Tue, 5 Oct 1993 00:54:25 GMT In article <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J J Farrell) writes: In article <rick.749640410@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >> The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > A fairly precise specification of a particular compiler version. >> faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the ^^^ > A totally imprecise specification covering dozens of versions. >> Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. > Please let us know which of the many versions of gcc you are using, Most code generated by gcc 2.4.5 with -O2 -m486 -funroll-loops is about 40% faster and somewhat smaller than that of the /usr/ccs/bin/cc compiler that comes with SVR4.0.3. To me there's no question whatsoever which compiler generates the better code, has the better diagnostics, is more reliable, and has the better documentation. The support, when paid for from Cygnus Support, is vastly more competent than that of any vendor I've ever had to deal with. Let's not even get into compiler bugs -- I would never trust /usr/ccs/bin/cc to generate production code. There's just no comparison. Perhaps USL has improved the compiler in 4.2, but somehow I seriously doubt it. -- -- Jan Brittenson bson@ai.mit.edu
Message-ID: <r7$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 14:31:41 MDT From: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <CEDws0.J6M@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> <1993Oct5.041529.25219@leland.stanford.edu> <28s4f6$m0e@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: .compressed? I'd just like to make a quick mention here, since there is some (sort of) disinformation about this format. A compressed folder is not precisely a .tar.Z file as has been said. It is actually a .gnutar.Z file. In most cases, this distinction makes no real difference. However, if you plan to untar and uncompress one of these on a vanilla UNIX box (ie non-NeXT) you should use GNU tar rather than tar. (The reason is simple...tar limits the file name and path to 100 characters; gnutar works around this limitation to deal with long file names, which are the norm on NeXT systems.) If you use regular tar, you'll end up with a bunch of files that have MaNgLeD names at the top level, and you'll have to figure out what the real path/file name is. (That info will be in another file that unpacks with everything else.) It's just simpler to let GNU tar fix things for you... So use GNU tar, not plain tar. Of course, using the Workspace on a NeXT machine is always the safe way to handle things... -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: HELP: post-3.1-installation-blues Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 05 Oct 93 13:13:42 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct05.131342.23449@crash> References: <1993Oct03.153010.16991@crash> Just a note of thanks to the many kind NeXTfolk who wrote back with suggestions for fixing my NS3.1 sendmail problems. The solution was a subtle change in the 3.0 -> 3.1 conversion of the sendmail.cf file. Essentially the right line was commented out, and wrong line was in effect. After switching these two lines, everything seems to be working again. The lines are the ones directly below the comment that says, "If you want to pass all other explicit domain names up the ladder...". Thanks again. It's good to be back :-) * brian dear * coconut computing, inc. * brian@coconut.com *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) Subject: X-Windows vs NeXTSTEP question... Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:37:06 GMT Message-ID: <CEG1Dz.5Ew@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Hi There: I just realized that in a network of Suns, if I play a game that has sound on another Sun, but being displayed in my Sun, then I will not be able to hear any of the sounds because X-Windows does not support sound. I actually tried this on my Sun and I could not listen to any sounds. (Am I making sense?) My question is: Is this also true for NeXTSTEP? What are the limitations of running NeXTSTEP applications over the network? Thanks in advance, Richard Dib dib@psp.att.com P.S. I hope I am not starting another "Flame War"!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1993Oct5.203718.3592@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 20:37:18 GMT In article <1343@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: ...munch... > > All three of these are buried inside PasteUp and are typically only > invoked if you option-click weird things, so you shouldn't stumble > on all of them at once and not know it. However, if you accidentally > selected the .eps files inside the PasteUp app wrapper and launched > them in Preview, you'd get the behavior you describe. > > Do you have a copy of PasteUp? [You're not in our database, but there > was a demo Intel version of PasteUp on one of the CD-ROMs distributed > with NS/Intel]. Do you remember poking around inside PasteUp.app? > Maybe that's what caused it. > > -- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 Until today I considered PasteUp a serious app! Either this posting is a fake or Glen... (No, I won't say it aloud. There might be children listening). Definitely, I can't remember the time when I thought such things might be funny. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Message-ID: <y7$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 16:59:48 MDT From: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Recycler playing sounds Hey, I've got my recycler making noises when I recycle trash now and was wondering if maybe it would be worth writing up a FAQ entry telling how to accomplish this? (It requires a little bit of surgery...) "Elvis has left the building..." :-) Maybe I'll change it to the flushing toilet next... -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcdavis1@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH CARL DAVIS) Subject: THANKS: getting f2c script to work Message-ID: <1993Oct5.134707.27097@ncsu.edu> Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: NCSU Project Eos Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:47:07 GMT I would like to thank all of the people who responded to my request for help on getting the f77 script to work. 4 people sent me modified f77 scripts. thanks to : gwhite@trevnx.bio.dfo.ca drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu hsr@CS.Stanford.EDU regards, jcd -- \ Joseph C. Davis jcdavis1@eos.ncsu.edu People are not basically \ \ (919) 515-7452 stupid, they just act \ \ that way... \ \\\\\|||||//////\\\\\\|||||/////\\\\\\|||||\\\\\//////||||||\\\\\/////||||///
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@np.com (Paul Nordstrom) Subject: How to combine multiple docs into one fax Message-ID: <CEG2Mn.JpH@np.com> Organization: NP Consulting, San Francisco Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 22:03:59 GMT I presume there is a very simple answer to this problem, but I have not been able to find it. I have two documents, one in rtfd format, one a RightNow document that I want to combine to form a single fax. How do I combine them? I know that I could save to .ps files and with enough work combine that, but I tried simply concatenating the postscript and found that that does not work. Anyone care to point me in the right direction? -- Paul Nordstrom NP Consulting paul@np.com (NeXTMail Appreciated)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: How to combine multiple docs into one fax Message-ID: <1993Oct6.005212.29478@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <CEG2Mn.JpH@np.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 00:52:12 GMT Paul Nordstrom writes > I presume there is a very simple answer to this problem, but I > have not been able to find it. I have two documents, one in rtfd > format, one a RightNow document that I want to combine to form > a single fax. How do I combine them? There's an app called PageChain that lets you do this. I forget who produces it, but there's probably a demo on the archives somewhere. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: wvollers@cs.utexas.edu (William Howard Vollers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Start-up problems on a cube (novice user) Date: 5 Oct 1993 20:14:22 -0500 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Distribution: usa Message-ID: <28t65e$7du@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> This is a message from a NeXT novice, and it's low on specifics, so please pardon the mess... I inherited an office where a NeXT cube was being stored. I tried to start it up and got the following messages... Loading from disk... (disk icon begins to spin) Checking for Network (this cube was not connected) Checking System Files The problem is that all that happens at this point is the disk icon continues to spin. It never gets past Checking System Files. The same occurs if I insert a System 1.0 CD after starting (although I assumed that "Loading from disk" means a hard disk is installed). Do you have any ideas on how to proceed (force a boot from the optical? Reload the system on the hard drive?, pointer to a FAQ?). I'm sorry not to have any specifics on the system; it's a cube, and there are CDs for Versions 1.0 and 2.0 of the system software, but I don't know memory or disk configuration information. E-mail is probably best for this, and thanks in advance, -- Bill Vollers, wvollers@cs.utexas.edu
From: marple@cs.ubc.ca (Kirk Marple) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital video support for NS/Intel? Date: 5 Oct 1993 18:15:23 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <28t67bINNa1m@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Can anyone tell me what, if any, digital video support exists for NeXTStep/Intel? I'm looking for video capture and/or compression cards that NS/I supports. Also, if anyone knows where I can get more information on general multimedia support for NS/I, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked through several of the latest issues of NeXTWorld and have seen very few multimedia products (software and hardware) for NS/I. Thanks for your help, Kirk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: README Message-ID: <CEDy5s.zM@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! References: <1993Oct4.012819.2487@antigone.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 18:32:15 GMT In article <1993Oct4.012819.2487@antigone.com> mross@antigone.com writes: > NewsGrazer has the annoying habit of setting default distribution to usa. It does NOT. Mine says 'world'. It's configurable in cnews or whatever news system you use. Bye, Uli
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Appeal to NeXT for robustness Date: 6 Oct 1993 03:00:04 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <28tcbk$lrl@news.mic.ucla.edu> As I have undergone my 20th install on NS/Intel this weekend, each one taking a full day and lowering NS productivity, I am pondering whether a system as difficult to repair/hold together as NS has a chance as a "Unix for the rest of us." We should all appeal to NeXT for changes IMHO more important than any new object oriented bells and whistles. *** If you agree, please mail this message to the NeXT bug_next@next.com to alert NeXT to these important shortcomings *** ******************** A high-performance file system such as NeXT's is prone to corruption. a slew of common software bugs and hardware glitches (common on Intel machines) causing faults can corrupt a file system. With literally hundreds of files necessary to reliably boot a NS filesystem, such bugs can lead to disastrous and difficult-to-diagnose/repair consequences. NeXT's common response, "rebuild the system/wipe out all your data/spend a full day rebuilding," is inadequate. ** We need a much more solid set of hard disk repair tools than fsck. (In fact, fsck is buggy and can die with a bus error on common disk corruptions.) ** In particular, we need the ability to automate system repairs from a CD-ROM, rather than the complete "scratch and kill disk" alternative ** We need a script on CD-ROM to rebuild the system without erasing the file system. ** NS/Intel needs the ability to "halt and sync" from ctrl-ctrl-numlock to reduce file system corruptions when the system or the boot procedure gets into trouble. This c-c-numlock facility (available under NS/040) could probably save 3/4 of all necessary reinstalls. * We need better backup tools, in particular solid Ethernet transfer interface for rdump's and rrestore's. (There are also [occasional] problems with the SCSITapeDriver.) * In addition to new drivers, future releases should incorporate a hardware snooper program that checks if NeXTStep sees all the resources it needs. - Better vt100 support in the 80*24 mode would allow using emacs or vi for file repairs. - Documentation on how to mount and unmount floppies in single-user mode would allow rescue of at least some files in adverse situations. - Add further SCSI hard disk tools for diagnosis of common problems. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA -- Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: jens@mwnext.metaworks.de (Jens Hoffmann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Using mail from NeXT to Novell NetWare Date: 5 Oct 1993 18:41:55 -0000 Organization: MetaWorks Gesellschaft fuer elektronische und audiovisuelle Medien mbH Message-ID: <28sf5j$otr@mwnext.metaworks.de> References: <28pu8c$mt1@nova.umd.edu> <CEE5J2.1Bs@cd.com> Keywords: Mail, Netware also check for Mercury. That is a SMTP Gateway for Pegasus, running as a NLM on the netware server. Really great software. cu, Jens -- Jens Hoffmann jens@metaworks.de MetaWorks Gesellschaft fuer elektronische und audiovisuelle Medien mbH Schlossstrasse 31, D-56068 Koblenz +49-261-37773 fax: +49-261-37775
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen melt goody : -( Message-ID: <1350@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 6 Oct 93 02:38:35 GMT References: <1993Oct5.203718.3592@nidat.sub.org> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Peter Nitezki writes > Until today I considered PasteUp a serious app! > > Either this posting is a fake or Glen... (No, I won't say it aloud. There > might be children listening). Definitely, I can't remember the time when > I thought such things might be funny. PasteUp is a serious app. We wasted 3k on PostScript code that does silly things if you hold down certain keys and click in certain places. Hardly a new concept. You can delete the .eps files if you don't like stuff like that. I, too, am not entirely fond of such things, but our VP of Sales at the time, Jack Reynolds, was truly disappointed that PasteUp didn't have any "easter eggs" in it, so I tossed some in to make him happy. It's not a big deal, nor does it detract from the seriousness of the app. Almost every mainstream app has these easter eggs in them, whether you know about it or not :-) Lotus Improv had one, several of Lighthouse's products have them, Apple's system software, and lots of other stuff. It's only there if you actually look for it, and is pretty harmless. Maybe AFS will take them back out, since they're extremely serious financial types :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:26:05 EDT From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93278.212606CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Database servers under NS 3.1 How does ORACLE 6 and Sybase (bundled version) run under system 3.1. I am running 3.0 now and everthing is fine. Should I bother to upgrade to 3.1 (as 3.2 is due in weekd)? Where can I find the dba graphical interface to Sybase under 3.1? Any hope for ORACEL7 server under NS3.1 (Intel/Moto?) ---Masud.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Digital video support for NS/Intel? Message-ID: <1993Oct6.092143.27990@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <28t67bINNa1m@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 09:21:43 GMT In article <28t67bINNa1m@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> marple@cs.ubc.ca (Kirk Marple) writes: >Can anyone tell me what, if any, digital video support exists for >NeXTStep/Intel? I'm looking for video capture and/or compression cards >that NS/I supports. I got a brochure through the post for something called Screen Machine II that appears to do what you want. It's produced by FAST Electronic GmbH (Munich), tel: +49 89 50 20 60 and distributed by d'ART, email: sm@dart.de Dave Griffiths
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need Lefty Casual font. Date: 6 Oct 1993 14:31:16 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <28ukrk$2ne@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> References: <28pabn$26j@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Keywords: leftycasual font I now have multiple copies of the LeftyCasual font and a big thanks to all who replied! I've installed the font correctly (I assume) and can use it from any apps, but it doesn't seem to print correctly even though it shows up on the screen. Is this a "feature" or am I doing something wrong? Sure was hoping to get my dissertation printed this week....8-) -- Bryan Milligan bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu ---- Unless otherwise noted, I speak for none but myself. ----
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to combine multiple docs into one fax Date: 6 Oct 1993 14:37:15 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <28ul6r$em1@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <CEG2Mn.JpH@np.com> In article <CEG2Mn.JpH@np.com> paul@np.com (Paul Nordstrom) writes: > > I presume there is a very simple answer to this problem, but I have > not been able to find it. I have two documents, one in rtfd format, > one a RightNow document that I want to combine to form a single fax. > How do I combine them? I know that I could save to .ps files and with > enough work combine that, but I tried simply concatenating the > postscript and found that that does not work. Anyone care to point me > in the right direction? > > -- > Paul Nordstrom > NP Consulting > paul@np.com > (NeXTMail Appreciated) Here is a little C-program that will collate PS files, courtesy of the National Science Foundation. (It is part of their EXPRES package for doing electronic submissions.) /* program for putting PS files into one PS file * * Copyright National Science Foundation 1988 * * Written June 1988 by Chao-Ping Yang */ /* Usage: collate file1.ps file2.ps ... > result.ps or collate -o result.ps file1.ps file2.ps (Note the -o switch is stronger so that collate -o result.ps file.... >another.ps will have the result in result.ps and another.ps will be empty. ) there is also a -R switch to stop reversal of the files . */ # include <stdio.h> # include "common.h" #ifdef Macintosh #undef stdout #endif # define _header "%!\n% Proposal for the National Science Foundation" # define PS_BEGIN "/NSF-proposal-NSF save def /NSF-count-NSF countdictstack def" # define PS_END "clear NSF-count-NSF 1 countdictstack 1 sub { pop end } for NSF-proposal-NSF restore" COLLATEPS(argc,argv) /* this is the main program on non Mac computers */ int argc; char *argv[]; { FILE *output,*input,*fopen(); char *s; int c, reverse = 1; /* default putting cover page at the end * of the command line */ #ifdef Macintosh extern FILE *stdout; #endif output = stdout; /* need redirection */ while (--argc > 0 && (*++argv)[0] =='-') for ( s = argv[0]+1; *s != '\0'; s++) switch (*s) { case 'R':case 'r': reverse = 0; break; case 'O': case 'o': if( ( output = fopen(*++argv,"w") ) == NULL ) { print_stderr("\n## Can not create %s.\n",*argv); finish(0); } argc--; break; default: print_stderr("Illegal option: %c\n",*s); argc = 0; break; } if( argc < 1 ) { print_stderr( "Usage: collate [-R] [-o result.ps] file1.ps file2.ps ... [> result.ps]\n",0); print_stderr( "where the R switch will stop putting files in reverse.\n",0); print_stderr( "and the o switch set the file that followed as the output file.\n",0); finish(0); } fprintf(output,"%s\n",_header); /* PS header for the collated file */ /************* Start copying PS files ************************/ if(reverse) argv += argc - 1; /* move to the end of the file names */ while ( --argc >= 0) { #ifdef Macintosh /* So it won't cause problem under VMS */ print_stderr("%s ",*argv); #endif if( (input=fopen(*argv,"r") ) == NULL) { #ifdef Macintosh fclose(output); #endif print_stderr("\n## %s: File not found.\n",*argv); finish(1); } fprintf(output,"\n%s\n",PS_BEGIN); while ( ( c = getc(input) ) != EOF ) putc(c,output); fprintf(output,"\n%s\n",PS_END); if(reverse) argv --; else argv ++; fclose(input); } #ifdef Macintosh print_stderr("\nAll done!\n",0); fclose(output); #endif finish(0); } -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: Airborne Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Terminal question Date: 6 Oct 1993 14:57:38 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Message-ID: <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Is there anyway to get Terminal to display the current wroking directory as its prompt? Quick and hopefully easy to answer. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Virtue is like a rich stone, best plain set." - Francis Bacon "Take the bottle, Shake it up, Break the bubble, Break it up..." -Def Leppard <<<< Jeremy Bussard <-> Airborne <-> bussarj@alleg.EDU >>>>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Heroic delivery from Alpine/MicroAge (long) Message-ID: <1993Oct6.144854.21210@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 14:48:54 GMT The end of a fiscal year at a government laboratory is a hectic affair. Among what other problems there may be, there is the usual rush to make sure that everything one wants purchased with FY93 funds gets here, ON-SITE!, by September 30th. I had taken on the chore of ordering two Intel-based NEXTSTEP machines for one of my colleagues. Bearing in mind that the Intel marketplace was hardly a settled affair in June, I decided to put off the purchase process until mid-August. Should be no problem, I thought, with six weeks to buy a PC. Meanwhile, we'd look over the marketplace and decide what it was we wanted to buy. By mid-August we had decided that first choice would be an Epson NX. Also, it by then had become clear that Kris Magnusson of Alpine Computing/MicroAge was offering the best price, along with some likelihood that the machine would work as configured out of the box. Or, if not, that Kris was available and eager to help make it work. So we ordered from Alpine. And waited. Being an "academic institution" (University of California), we wanted to install (or have installed) NS at the academic prices. Not the standard-priced User and DevKits that Epson would automatically put on the disks at the factory (and charge us accordingly for). Unfortunately, that was a kind of market that Epson didn't realize existed, even though Greg Nieman of Epson had visited LANL and knew very well what kinds of machines we would want to order. The factory only made pre-installed NS machines and our order became a special-order situation that they couldn't find time to get around to making. Time flies by, and despite his daily nagging, Kris seems to be getting nowhere with Epson and his "special order": an NX machine, but diskless and with only 20 MB of RAM. (I have no idea why they simply couldn't take twenty minutes of some tech's time to open up two of their production boxes and just _remove_ the HD and RAM! They don't even need to throw anything away.) There was also some nagging going on here at LANL, since the end of the fiscal year is a very busy time for our purchasing department. I was more than a bit non-plused to learn, on September 20, that my assigned buyer was out sick and hadn't yet been in contact with Alpine to authorize this order. (He actually had, but I didn't learn that until later.) Fortunately, the buyer recovered from his cold and the paperwork process got back on its appointed path by about Thursday the 23rd. About the middle of September Kris and I re-evaluated the situation and decided to switch our order to two Intel Professional machines, which he knew he could get in the desired configuration in two or three days. (This would up the ante for us to get into the NeXT/Intel game, but by this time Mike and I were getting desperate, what with the year-end deadline looming.) Well, naturally, as soon as Bret Getzky (sp?), the Epson product manager for the NX, heard he was losing this set of orders -- ours were not the only such machines Kris was trying to extract from Epson for this lab -- he said he'd expedite the matter. And he did (although we had to pay for the expedited shipping). The machines did arrive at Alpine soon after. OK, now the matter was all in Kris's hands, and there were about ten days left to deadline of September 30, when everything had to be here at LANL. But the 525 MB hard disks were not (in his hands); that took another few days to arrive. In the meantime, on Monday the 27th, he shipped off the monitors and the rest of the order by Federal Express Overnight (he thought). On Tuesday he installed the HD's, the extra RAM and Adaptec card, partitioned the disks and loaded in NS for us. Around 5:00 PM, when we spoke on the phone, he was just about to screw the covers back on the machines and cart them off to Federal Express -- overnight, to be here on Wednesday, presumably with a whole day to spare. I hung up the phone, feeling good about the situation. It was soon after my call that Kris was told that the monitors had actually been sent out the night before for shipment by UPS Groundsaver. Which would mean they'd get here about October 5th. Kris says he didn't scream at the person who made the error, but he did count to fifty. Then a whole lot of people at Alpine and UPS, some wearing blue suits and ties, went into high gear and found they could recover the situation. The monitors, it turned out, were still sitting in a pen in Salt Lake City, waiting for some truck to come by. By merely holding up the delivery truck that was taking UPS things out to the airport and also holding up the airplane, they were able to get them in the air, UPS Overnight, on the way to LANL Receiving. Everything got here on time, even though it still took a bit more paperwork at this end (something I had never heard about, called "an accrual memo") to make sure everything got charged to FY93. I thank Kris Magnusson and his colleagues for his efforts in consummating this sale. I suspect that it hardly makes much money for Alpine, but it sure does make goodwill. Now all we have to do is get the machines to stop crashing with "RDP exceptions", whatever they are. Dick Silbar (an Alpine customer, not an employee)
From: chris@stokeisland.ohi.com (Christopher J. Traynor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Somebody dug up a fossil! (was Re: Useability of POSIX) Date: 6 Oct 1993 11:00:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310061525.AA00610@stokeisland.ohi.com> peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > A "real" application is one that's used by someone who's not > in the computer business. Something user-friendly with lots of > prompts and menus and stuff. On UNIX, that means it uses > curses or X Windows. And it probably depends on system files > being in usual places (/etc/passwd for example) or a standard > interface working the way it's supposed to (getpwuid). > Excuse me but I don't remember the part of the bible that said curses and X were the only interfaces for "real" applications - maybe The Book of Revelation? I also don't agree with the use of the word standard as if it had any meaning these days - like the word protocol! The NEXTSTEP environment blows the widgets off of X and MS for that matter. I've worked under both and somehow can't see your reasoning that any "real" development environment would require conformity with AT&T's tired system or X for that matter. Further, /etc/passwd is a dinosaur compared to the new backbone systems like Yellow Pages and Netinfo. It's time to put down the clay tablet and use a more modern approach. The market today requires a fresh perspective on application development - no, I don't mean DOS - and curses doesn't cut it. > Remember, the target market UnixWare is aimed at is that sort > of end-users. Not people building embedded applications... > they're going to want real-time UNIX lookalikes (QNX, for > example) and something like BSDI for developers. All the fancy > chrome in UnixWare and the ability to run Windows apps is > almost completely irrelevant. > Who's aiming that sling anyway? The "UnixWare" market is aimed at the same place all other systems are - the wallet. The money comes out when a system offers a cost-effective solution. To provide this you have to use current technology and pack curses and the idea of "standard file placement" in the attic. Judging from the difficulty in getting organizations to move into the Unix mode of operating, I sincerely doubt that they would settle for lookalikes like QNX - this contradicts your previous statement concerning the need for standardization. The chrome in UnixWare, as you put it, is all there is to bring people to see the light; without the "irrelevant" windowing capabilities, Unix would find itself in the same fossil record that your ideas of software engineering solidified in... I find it terribly disheartening to see old-boy, old-hat philosophies plaguing a newsgroup for such a revolutionary system. I thought we had "standards" here! Christopher Traynor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Easter Eggs (was Re: Screen melt goody : -() Message-ID: <1993Oct6.151452.944@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1350@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 15:14:52 GMT In article <1350@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > I, too, am not entirely fond of such things, but our VP of Sales at the > time, Jack Reynolds, was truly disappointed that PasteUp didn't have > any "easter eggs" in it, so I tossed some in to make him happy. It's > not a big deal, nor does it detract from the seriousness of the app. > Almost every mainstream app has these easter eggs in them, whether you > know about it or not :-) Lotus Improv had one, several of Lighthouse's > products have them, Apple's system software, and lots of other stuff. > It's only there if you actually look for it, and is pretty harmless. > Maybe AFS will take them back out, since they're extremely serious > financial types :-) Hey, we paid extra for those Easter Eggs! You're not backing out on us, are you? 8^) Actually, the coolest Egg by far is buried deep inside Concurrence. If you'll indulge some non-profit advertising, the Philadelphia Area NeXT Group (PhANG) newsletter includes an easter egg section with instructions on how to trigger them. Send mail to phang-request@nexta.dccs.upenn.edu for more information. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: How to combine multiple docs into one fax Message-ID: <1993Oct6.140045.24813@KYnug.org> Sender: neil@KYnug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. References: <1993Oct6.005212.29478@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 14:00:45 GMT In article <1993Oct6.005212.29478@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Paul Nordstrom writes > > I presume there is a very simple answer to this problem, but I > > have not been able to find it. I have two documents, one in rtfd > > format, one a RightNow document that I want to combine to form > > a single fax. How do I combine them? > > There's an app called PageChain that lets you do this. I forget who > produces it, but there's probably a demo on the archives somewhere. PageChain v1.2 "print & fax tool." Pinnacle research, Inc. 4725 E. Sunrise Dr. #435 Tucson, AZ 85718 (602) 529-1135 (602) 299-9133 (Fax) pagechain@pri.com The above information was taken from the info panel of PageChain. Hope this helps any others that may be interested in the product. I have checked out the demo and it is a nice package. -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: RE: Database servers under NS 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Oct6.145337.25156@KYnug.org> Sender: neil@KYnug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group, Inc. References: <93278.212606CADER@auvm.american.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 14:53:37 GMT In article <93278.212606CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CADER@auvm.american.edu> writes: > How does ORACLE 6 and Sybase (bundled version) run under system 3.1. > I am running 3.0 now and everthing is fine. Should I bother to upgrade > to 3.1 (as 3.2 is due in weekd)? Oracle 6.x.x.x runs just fine under NS 3.0 and 3.1. I am running several Oracle servers and databases under 3.0 and 3.1 repectfully. > Where can I find the dba graphical interface to Sybase under 3.1? > > Any hope for ORACEL7 server under NS3.1 (Intel/Moto?) I just finished talking with Oracle Client Relations and Marketing and was told they are currently on hold pending investigations of the NeXT market to port Oracle7 to NEXTSTEP. I am sure Larry and Steve are doing some talking. But, then again, there are better boxes to run Oracle server on then Intel. Now, NS + PARISC + PLENTY OF NS DBA TOOLS = Win!! NOTE: The first lady I talked to said she had no idea what "NEXTSTEP" was, when is this going to end. -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh,comp.sys.next.misc From: epperly@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tom Epperly) Subject: Compiling MH on a NeXT Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering Distribution: na Date: 6 Oct 93 09:20:26 CDT Message-ID: <EPPERLY.93Oct6091844@valeron.che.wisc.edu> Followup-To: sender I compiled MH on my NeXTstation, and inc doesn't work. The mail spool directory is NFS mounted from a DECstation 3100. When I run inc, it pauses for about 40 seconds and then prints epperly@valeron>inc inc: unable to lock and fopen /usr/spool/mail/epperly Does someone have a working NeXT MH config file? Here are the options that I used: version: MH 6.8.1 #44[UCI] (valeron) of Tue Oct 5 13:20:46 GMT-0500 1993 options: [BIND] [BSD42] [BSD43] [DBMPWD] [DPOP] [FOLDPROT='"700"'] [ISI] [LOCKF] [MHE] [MHRC] [MIME] [MSGPROT='"600"'] [OVERHEAD] [POP] [RPATHS] [RPOP] [SENDMTS] [SMTP] [TYPESIG=void] [VSPRINTF] [WHATNOW] If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Tom -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Epperly University of Wisconsin-Madison Chemical Engineering (608) 262-8264 epperly@osnome.che.wisc.edu Graduate Student Member of the League for Programming Freedom(fighting software monopolies) For more info contact me or lpf@uunet.uu.net. PGP public key available by finger or from public key servers. Key fingerprint = 82 25 E3 C3 A7 B3 10 59 06 B2 EC DC 63 3E 85 13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu (Richard Wagner) Subject: TCSH compiling. Help me please. Message-ID: <wagner.1677.2CB2C257@main.mndly.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: the Minnesota Daily Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 13:04:23 GMT I'm pretty new to NS/I but I've managed so far to compile and install GCC, gopher, and a few other. So far though I'm at a complete loss in installing TCSH. I've tried so many things I'm I have not idea where to go from here. If anybody could give me pointers (or just the send the executable!) I would really appreciate it. If I didn't make it clear, I'm talking about NS for Intel. Thanks. Rick W. wagner@main.mndly.umn.edu wagner@next.mndly.umn.edu (for NeXTMail).
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 17:02:35 GMT Message-ID: <CEHJCC.n0u@flatlin.ka.sub.org> References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> In <rick.749640410@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >A little off the track, but I couldn't let this go. We use gcc >for many things around here, but it is *not* the best compiler >for all platforms, if you measure best by code quality. Code quality doesn't bother me much. Frankly, I don't care whether a compiler makes my programs run faster if it generates faulty code. I don't get paid for debugging compilers. My main concern is whether a compiler generates correct code. >The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% >faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the >Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. I don't have extensive experience with the 4.2 compiler, but I know that USL has put a lot of work into it. And it generates pretty fast code. I do know however that the 4.0.3 compiler miscompiles the systems ndbm functions. And SCO's compiler is notorious for it's buggy optimiser and other lossages. Personaly, I find gcc-1.37 more reliable. -- Christoph Badura --- bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org --- +49 721 606137 Personally, I don't care whether someone is cool enough to quote Doug Gwyn--I only care whether Doug Gwyn is cool enough to quote. -- Larry Wall
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 17:03:54 GMT Message-ID: <CEHJEI.14@flatlin.ka.sub.org> References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> <CEEIH3.Ay7@gator.oau.org> In <CEEIH3.Ay7@gator.oau.org> larry@gator.oau.org (Larry D Snyder) writes: >so then by the same token, the USL compiler with SVR4 produces >code that runs 30%+ faster than SCO's Microsoft compiler? There's no such thing as "The SVR4 Compiler". SVR4.2 has a different compiler than SVR4.0. -- Christoph Badura --- bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org --- +49 721 606137 Personally, I don't care whether someone is cool enough to quote Doug Gwyn--I only care whether Doug Gwyn is cool enough to quote. -- Larry Wall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Re: README Message-ID: <1993Oct06.171518.6698@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated References: <CEDy5s.zM@zoodle.robin.de> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1993 17:15:18 GMT In article <CEDy5s.zM@zoodle.robin.de> uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes: > In article <1993Oct4.012819.2487@antigone.com> mross@antigone.com writes: > > NewsGrazer has the annoying habit of setting default distribution to usa. > > It does NOT. Mine says 'world'. It's configurable in cnews or whatever news > system you use. It's in Preferences (Post). -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com 212-513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\) -<-@
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT sighting in October Scientific American Date: 6 Oct 1993 18:26:29 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <28v2klINN1v9@gap.caltech.edu> [I feel kind of juvenille about this, but what the hey...] The October issue of Scientific American has an article about the 'computerization' of mathematics. The cover photo and many pictures in the article were produced by some place in Minnesota whose name escapes me at the moment (Center for Geometry Studies?). Anyway, the professor being highlighted is photographed in front of his NeXTstation (you could just barely make out the logo). The article ever refers to labs of "charcoal-colored NeXT terminals"[sic] spewing out pictures of abstract geometries for students to examine. From what I could tell, they probably had NeXTstation color machines as front-ends for visualizing the results of their supercomputer number crunching. They may have used it as a friendly front-end to UNIX and done some custom apps for the visualization, but I'd wager the price-performance was the major reason they were bought. Sigh, they really were sweet machines in their day. If anybody from there would like to clarify what they were/are used for, it might be interesting. - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: buzz@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bastian Schlueter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Terminal question Date: 06 Oct 93 18:49:26 GMT Organization: Berlin University of Technology Message-ID: <28v3vr$5sa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: Airborne's message of 06 Oct 93 15:57:38 MET In article <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Airborne writes: > Is there anyway to get Terminal to display the current wroking directory as its > prompt? Quick and hopefully easy to answer. > If you use tcsh try: (One line!) alias cwdcmd 'set prompt="${HOST} ${user} \\! (`dirs|sed -e '\''s| .*||'\'' -e '\''s|.*[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\)|...\1|'\''`): "' maybe it works with csh also. It'll give you a nice prompt. Greetings Bastian -- Bastian Schlueter TEL.: +49 030 / 693 49 26 (priv) __o Urbanstr. 25 Aufg. E 314 25 973 (uni) _`\<,_ D-10967 Berlin e-mail: buzz@cs.tu-berlin.de (_)/ (_) -- Radfahrer haben nichts zu verlieren als ihre Ketten -- ~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Terminal question Message-ID: <CEHr85.H2q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <28v3vr$5sa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:52:52 GMT In article <28v3vr$5sa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> buzz@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bastian Schlueter) writes: > In article <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Airborne writes: > > > Is there anyway to get Terminal to display the current wroking directory as its > > prompt? Quick and hopefully easy to answer. > > > If you use tcsh try: (One line!) > > alias cwdcmd 'set prompt="${HOST} ${user} \\! (`dirs|sed -e '\''s| *||'\'' -e '\''s|.*[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\)|...\1|'\''`): "' > > maybe it works with csh also. It'll give you a nice prompt. As an alternative, try adding the following lines to .cshrc: setenv HOSTNAME `/bin/hostname | /bin/sed 's/\..*//'` alias SetPrompt 'set prompt="[$HOSTNAME]:`dirs`> "' alias cd 'chdir \!* && SetPrompt' set prompt="[$HOSTNAME]:`dirs`> " (Commands that read something like: *[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\) always kind of drive me: #@$&(*^%(&$&^@ nuts.) -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
From: root@anton.music.washington.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Screen keeps going dark! Date: 6 Oct 1993 20:10:47 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <28v8o7$fjl@news.u.washington.edu> The screen on our network server began going dark at random time intervals of about a minute two days ago. Now it's going dark every few seconds and the problem seems to be spreading to the other machines on our network. Can anyone offer some advice? Ron Averill School of Music Computer Center University of Washington raverill@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clr@next_c.pai.com (Charles Robinson) Subject: Help needed on DAT drive Message-ID: <1993Oct6.191551.19141@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:15:51 GMT Just received a new WangDat DAT drive and I wanted to back up a file system. The following is my output. Should I have used nsrt0? What is the difference? I got Next's suggestions for backup from the archives but could not locate the suggested hardware documents 762 or 340 referred to therein. Note: system is 3.0 for reasons I won't go into. Thanks. From tty: datec# dump 0ufs /dev/rst0 1200000 /Lakeview DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Oct 6 10:18:57 1993 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd1a (/Lakeview) to /dev/rst0 DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 605698 tape blocks on 0.03 tape(s). DUMP: Tape write error 0 feet into tape 1 DUMP: NEEDS ATTENTION: Do you want to restart?: ("yes" or "no") yes DUMP: This tape will rewind. After it is rewound, DUMP: replace the faulty tape with a new one; DUMP: this dump volume will be rewritten. DUMP: Tape rewinding DUMP: NEEDS ATTENTION: Is the new tape mounted and ready to go?: ("yes" or "no") yes DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] DUMP: 8.63% done, finished in 0:53 DUMP: 17.43% done, finished in 0:47 DUMP: 26.31% done, finished in 0:42 DUMP: 35.05% done, finished in 0:37 DUMP: 44.02% done, finished in 0:31 DUMP: 52.92% done, finished in 0:26 DUMP: 61.64% done, finished in 0:21 DUMP: 70.58% done, finished in 0:16 DUMP: 79.43% done, finished in 0:11 DUMP: 88.18% done, finished in 0:06 DUMP: 96.88% done, finished in 0:01 DUMP: DUMP: 605623 tape blocks on 1 tape(s) DUMP: DUMP IS DONE DUMP: level 0 dump on Wed Oct 6 10:18:57 1993 DUMP: Tape rewinding datec# exit datec> /usr/etc/restore tf /dev/rst0 Tape/disk read error: I/O error From the console: -- Charles Robinson Datec Inc. 333 W. Wacker Drive, Suite 1040 Chicago, Ill. 60606-1225 Voice: (312) 629-0880
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .compressed? Date: 6 Oct 1993 20:26:32 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <28v9lpINN5pm@gap.caltech.edu> References: <CEDws0.J6M@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> <1993Oct5.041529.25219@leland.stanford.edu> <28s4f6$m0e@agate.berkeley.edu> >> Although .compressed has two meanings. If it's an individual >> file, .compressed is just file.Z, but if it's more then one, it's a .tar.Z >> file. Not so. It is always a .tar.Z file, even if there is only one file. A little thought would show that it has to be that way. Consider compressing a .tar file--how would Workspace know when decompressing that it shouldn't extract the tar file? Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT sighting in October Scientific American Date: 6 Oct 1993 21:02:04 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <28vboc$g0c@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <28v2klINN1v9@gap.caltech.edu> In article <28v2klINN1v9@gap.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: > If anybody from there would like to clarify what they were/are used > for, it might be interesting. > The Minnesotta folks have released a cool app for the NeXT called GeomView.app. It allows you to visualize various geometric objects. I got this from their server, but I suspect it is available on the NeXT archives somewhere. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Terminal question Message-ID: <1993Oct6.222340.17683@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <CEHr85.H2q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 22:23:40 GMT In article <CEHr85.H2q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > In article <28v3vr$5sa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> buzz@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bastian > Schlueter) writes: > > In article <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Airborne writes: > > > > > Is there anyway to get Terminal to display the current wroking > directory as its > > > prompt? Quick and hopefully easy to answer. > > > > > If you use tcsh try: (One line!) > > > > alias cwdcmd 'set prompt="${HOST} ${user} \\! (`dirs|sed -e '\''s| > *||'\'' -e '\''s|.*[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\)|...\1|'\''`): "' > > > > maybe it works with csh also. It'll give you a nice prompt. > > As an alternative, try adding the following lines to .cshrc: > > setenv HOSTNAME `/bin/hostname | /bin/sed 's/\..*//'` > alias SetPrompt 'set prompt="[$HOSTNAME]:`dirs`> "' > alias cd 'chdir \!* && SetPrompt' > set prompt="[$HOSTNAME]:`dirs`> " > > (Commands that read something like: *[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\) > always kind of drive me: #@$&(*^%(&$&^@ nuts.) > > > > -- > > Jon Haveman > Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu > Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) > Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) > W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) A useful addition to this might be to alias pushd as well... -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4 From: ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CEI00J.Mxr@rex.uokhsc.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 23:02:43 GMT References: <4gfkBki00WB=8_y60F@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Health Sciences Center, University of Oklahoma Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 3-Oct-93 Re: Useability of >POSIX (wa.. by Rick Richardson@digibd.d >> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: >>> >>> I know several SW companies developing their "real world applications" >>> with gcc, since its the best and most stable compiler. >>> >> A little off the track, but I couldn't let this go. We use gcc >> for many things around here, but it is *not* the best compiler >> for all platforms, if you measure best by code quality. >I agree that there are some compilers that beat gcc on a specific >platform in terms of execution speed. For example, Sun's $800 ANSI C >v2.0.1 compiler is a little better than gcc for SPARC machines. Add to SPARC, the MIPS C compiler, and IBM's XLC. I am not sure about AXP...I have gotten slightly better numbers from GCC 2.4.5 than the installed compiler, but I think our AXP compilers are kind of old. Anybody compared GCC with HP's compilers? >However, gcc is a better compiler than a large number of vendor-supplied >compilers, and gcc costs a lot less than $800 :-)... Actually, I now judge a compiler based one what GCC can do...if the vendor can't beat GCC, than... To me, it makes a nice baseline -- any UNIX vendor that can not compete with GCC ought to abandon their efforts. I am glad Data General did not try to do a crummy port of say the USL compiler. Instead, they ship and support GCC with their AViiON line. >If you're doing cross-compilation, gcc is unparalleled by any commercial >product that I know of. I could really see GCC being great for this kind of stuff. >> The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% >> faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the >> Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. >You've picked a particularly bad data point (for gcc); the Intel line of >chips are designed in a manner that violates gcc's assumptions about >what a "good" CPU should look like. Specifically, gcc wants a RISC CPU >with lots of equal registers, and the Intel x86's simply don't match >this assumption. >Among other things, your USL compiler probably has a good set of inline >expansion templates that do a good job of peephole optimization, which >is crucial for Intel chips. The FSF *could* do more work on the 386 >inline templates that gcc uses, but I'd imagine that they have other >priorities.... I guess that is the difference between commercial software and FSF software. -- Benjamin Z. Goldsteen
From: mstrock@eskimo.com (Mike Strock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Root level password Message-ID: <CEFr27.2D7@eskimo.com> Date: 5 Oct 93 18:02:08 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever I have acquired a Next machine, color, running NeXTStep v3.0. The root password is unknown (the original user is longer working here). Anyway, is there any easy way to get to root level (I know, if there was, it would be a major security problem, but, I need to get to the root and change the password to the root account so I can use the machine on the network)....please email me responses. Thanks! Mike mstrock@eskimo.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: clickable c-shell scripts Message-ID: <1993Oct6.191117.7426@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) Date: 6 Oct 93 19:11:16 CST Organization: As little as I can get away with... Can someone tell me how to... ...keep a clickable script from opening a terminal window? ...make it dockable? ...give it a cute icon? Many thanks. Randomly, J. Kelly Cunningham <deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu><f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu><jkellyc@tenet.edu> NeXTMail (favored) MIME (ok) VMS Mail (tolerated) MIME (ok) "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates '81
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: FAXing from Mail Message-ID: <1993Oct6.213453.2633@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 21:34:53 GMT I am interested to get feedback on anything like this, and also ideas on how to actually do it. I would like to be able to email a message to several people. One of those people, though, might not have email, but rather has a FAX. So, say the fellow with only a FAX is bob. My addresses are to bob, sam@machine, betty@machine2, etc. I would like for bob to already have an entry in my FAX list, and for the software to FAX the mail message out based upon that entry. Any ideas. If it is not clear, please let me know. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: Can anyone on Berkeley campus loan monitor for demo/Old main??? Message-ID: <CEHwBD.D50@califhistsoc.org> Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org (one) Organization: California Historical Society - Bringing the 19th Century, kicking and screaming, into the 21st! 415 567-1848 or fax 415 567-2394. Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 21:42:48 GMT Sorry to consume bandwidth---I am giving a demo Thursday, Oct7, 11-2ish at UC Berkeley library school of recent automation efforts. Is anyone on the Berkeley campus willing to loan a screen and keyboard for demo---I could arrange to have av transport it safely, I assume. Asking alot I know, but given that the NeXT community is rather exceptional, given the regular human attitude, I thought that I would give it a shot. It would be at the Old Main building at the heart of the campus. Thanks, Robert MacKimmie, California Historical Society Mine is a non-profit organization, attempting to show the masses how once again, NeXT does anything like *magic*. For the rest of the country: it has been overcast, but of it hasn't stopped the housewives from surfing, nor the aging executives from sailboarding. Life as usual.
From: herberj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Wesley Herberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HW Compatibility Guide? Date: 7 Oct 1993 05:06:23 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University Message-ID: <29084fINNq7r@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Is there an ftp site or an e-mail address where I can get a compatability guide for hardware for the Intel version of the Next OS. Please e-mail any responses as I'm not a regular reader of this group - yet. Thanks in advance, -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- John W. Herberg Internet: herberj@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Recycler playing sounds Message-ID: <1993Oct7.051936.321@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <y7$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 05:19:36 GMT In article <y7$@byu.edu> writes: > > > Hey, I've got my recycler making noises when I recycle trash > now and was wondering if maybe it would be worth writing up > a FAQ entry telling how to accomplish this? (It requires a > little bit of surgery...) > > "Elvis has left the building..." :-) > > Maybe I'll change it to the flushing toilet next... Definitely write it up and post it. I'll have a recorded "gulp" sound waiting....... John > Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) Subject: Re: Help needed on DAT drive References: <1993Oct6.191551.19141@nntpxfer.psi.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 07:32:30 GMT Organization: The home of the Pilhuhn Sender: news@pilhuhn.sub.org (Das Newssystem auf pilhuhn) Message-ID: <CEInM7.v7@pilhuhn.sub.org> In article <1993Oct6.191551.19141@nntpxfer.psi.com> clr@next_c.pai.com (Charles Robinson) writes: > Just received a new WangDat DAT drive and I wanted to back up a file > system. The following is my output. Should I have used nsrt0? What is the > difference? I got Next's suggestions for backup from the archives but > could not locate the suggested hardware documents 762 or 340 referred to > therein. > > Note: system is 3.0 for reasons I won't go into. > > Thanks. > > From tty: > > datec# dump 0ufs /dev/rst0 1200000 /Lakeview > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Oct 6 10:18:57 1993 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd1a (/Lakeview) to /dev/rst0 > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 605698 tape blocks on 0.03 tape(s). > DUMP: Tape write error 0 feet into tape 1 > DUMP: NEEDS ATTENTION: Do you want to restart?: ("yes" or "no") yes > DUMP: This tape will rewind. After it is rewound, > DUMP: replace the faulty tape with a new one; > DUMP: this dump volume will be rewritten. > DUMP: Tape rewinding > DUMP: NEEDS ATTENTION: Is the new tape mounted and ready to go?: ("yes" > or "no") yes > DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] > DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] > DUMP: 8.63% done, finished in 0:53 > DUMP: 17.43% done, finished in 0:47 > DUMP: 26.31% done, finished in 0:42 > DUMP: 35.05% done, finished in 0:37 > DUMP: 44.02% done, finished in 0:31 > DUMP: 52.92% done, finished in 0:26 > DUMP: 61.64% done, finished in 0:21 > DUMP: 70.58% done, finished in 0:16 > DUMP: 79.43% done, finished in 0:11 > DUMP: 88.18% done, finished in 0:06 > DUMP: 96.88% done, finished in 0:01 > DUMP: DUMP: 605623 tape blocks on 1 tape(s) > DUMP: DUMP IS DONE > DUMP: level 0 dump on Wed Oct 6 10:18:57 1993 > DUMP: Tape rewinding > datec# exit > > > > datec> /usr/etc/restore tf /dev/rst0 > Tape/disk read error: I/O error > > From the console: > > > > -- > Charles Robinson > Datec Inc. > 333 W. Wacker Drive, Suite 1040 > Chicago, Ill. 60606-1225 > Voice: (312) 629-0880 Try mtset -d /dev/nrst0 -i from the scsitools (available on the ftp-servers) before submitting the restore command. -- Jochen Richter Phone +49-721-696922 Zahringerstrasse 57 Fax +49-721-696988 D-76133 Karlsruhe e-mail: jr@sade.ka.sub.org Germany jr@resy.kfk.de (>50K)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Looking for source for "feathers" Message-ID: <1993Oct6.210111.1058@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 21:01:11 GMT Does anyone have the source code for "feathers," or know where I can get it? Feathers is a tar clone that doesn't have the file name length restriction. I tried using the gnutar that ships with NEXTSTEP, but it also has problems with some of the file name lengths I have do deal with. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanx, Michael -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail accepted
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT sighting in October Scientific American Date: 7 Oct 1993 00:26:18 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <28vnna$6vi@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <28v2klINN1v9@gap.caltech.edu> Ernest Prabhakar writes > [I feel kind of juvenille about this, but what the hey...] > > The October issue of Scientific American has an article about the > 'computerization' of mathematics. The cover photo and many pictures in > the article were produced by some place in Minnesota whose name escapes > me at the moment (Center for Geometry Studies?). It's called The Geometry Center (ftp address geom.umn.edu) > > From what I could tell, they probably had NeXTstation color machines as > front-ends for visualizing the results of their supercomputer number > crunching. They may have used it as a friendly front-end to UNIX and > done some custom apps for the visualization, but I'd wager the > price-performance was the major reason they were bought. Sigh, they > really were sweet machines in their day. They write many programs that are NeXT specific. Geomview runs on NeXT's or SGI machines (though it is a tad slow on NeXT's). It lets you "look at" geometric structures (uses Renderman, I think). They also write a "kit" called "DynamicKit" and a program called "CRSolver" that are NeXT specific. If you want to know more about them, ftp the above address and get the general program descriptions (there is a file with short descriptions... I forget the name). Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: HP DeskJet 500 setup info Message-ID: <1993Oct7.020539.2888@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 02:05:39 GMT Hi Sorry to ask this, but I don't have ftp access, so... Does anybody have the above mentioned printer connected to a NeXT machine, with publicly available drivers (I know about Dots and all, but I'm a student, so money's real tight). If you could send it to me, with cable info, I'd be forever gratefull. Thanks a lot. Ciao Nicolas -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "Le calembour est la fiente du mot qui vole." < > Victor Hugo <
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) Subject: Re: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Message-ID: <rick.749968841@digibd> Sender: news@gw.digibd.com (USENET News) Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> <BSON.93Oct5152028@moomin.ai.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 04:40:41 GMT bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes: >In article <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J J Farrell) writes: > In article <rick.749640410@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: I wrote: The USL compiler in SVR4.2/i386 produces code that runs 20-30% faster than gcc, and gcc is only marginally better than the Microsoft 5.0 compiler that SCO supplies. J J Farrell wrote: A fairly precise specification of a particular compiler version. A totally imprecise specification covering dozens of versions. Please let us know which of the many versions of gcc you are using, JanBrittenson wrote: Most code generated by gcc 2.4.5 with -O2 -m486 -funroll-loops is about 40% faster and somewhat smaller than that of the /usr/ccs/bin/cc compiler that comes with SVR4.0.3. To me there's no question whatsoever which compiler generates the better code ... There's just no comparison. Perhaps USL has improved the compiler in 4.2, but somehow I seriously doubt it. Nevertheless, the SVR4.2 compiler is significantly improved. Mainly in the way it uses registers. I hadn't tried using the -O2 -m486 -funroll-loops options with gcc 2.4.5 (just -O), but even with those options, the SVR4.2 compiler *still* beats gcc by 9%. The tests I use include a highly CPU intensive image processing application, where every extra instruction or wasted register in the inner loops will cost you dearly. The SVR4.2 compiler also has a -K cpu switch (i386, i486, and P5). The speed of the code is about the same for i386 and i486 (when run on a 486). I don't have a Pentium to see how much faster the P5 code is. The P5 code runs slower than -K i386 or -K i486 when run on a 486. Here are the program sizes, for comparison: i.gccO2unroll: 131528 + 170044 + 33876 = 335448 i.gccO: 122556 + 170044 + 33876 = 326476 i.uwP5: 122529 + 176384 + 33876 = 332789 i.uw486: 121601 + 176384 + 33876 = 331861 i.uw386: 120281 + 176384 + 33876 = 330541 Hey, guys, would I lie to you? I, for one, am happy to see that USL finally has a compiler worth the SDK price. Now, if they would just give me a switch to turn off those nagging: line 129: warning: initializer does not fit: -129 messages every time I compile an X bitmap (the values are stored in char's, which happen to be signed on this machine). -Rick -- Rick Richardson Senior Staff Engineer Writing X Widgets? DigiBoard, Inc. Email: rick@digibd.com Get Bert Bos's 'wbuild 2.0' 6400 Flying Cloud Dr. Fax: (612) 943-0803 Any other way is primitive. Eden Prarie, MN 55344 Tel: (612) 943-5383 <standard disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: jwdb@dutnak2.tn.tudelft.nl (Jan-Willem de Bruijn) Subject: Preferences(.app) corrupted by Cub'X ??? Message-ID: <jwdb.749989533@dutnak2> Summary: after installing Cub'X mouse no longer has menu button Keywords: mouse preferences Cub'X Sender: news@news.tudelft.nl (UseNet News System) Organization: Delft University of Technology Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 10:25:33 GMT I've seen strange things, but this one beats me. After I had installed the Cub'X-Window software, although I must say I don't know if this is the real cause, the mouse no longer had a menu button. Trying to change this back again with the Preferences.app, causes the latter program to crash. There is no way to configure the mouse with a menu button anymore. Also the Volume and Brightness sliders keep on moving back to their minimum and maximum positions respectively, no matter what you do. The Key Repeat Rate is reset to its slowest position, and although you can click on the buttons in the Keyboard Preferences panel, this has no effect. Does anyone have an explanation, or even better a remedy for this? Thanks in advance, Jan-Willem -- Jan-Willem de Bruijn jwdb@dutnak2.tn.tudelft.nl Lab. of Seismics and Acoustics NeXT-mail: jwdb@delphi.tn.tudelft.nl Dep. of Applied Physics Discipline is never an end in itself, Delft University of Technology only a means to an end.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: deininge@cen.encompass.com (David Deininger) Subject: Re: Terminal question Message-ID: <1993Oct7.153331.13591@glv.uucp> Sender: uucp@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <CEHr85.H2q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 15:33:31 GMT In article <CEHr85.H2q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > In article <28v3vr$5sa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> buzz@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bastian > Schlueter) writes: > > In article <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Airborne writes: > > > > > Is there anyway to get Terminal to display the current wroking > > > directory as its prompt? Quick and hopefully easy to answer. > > > > If you use tcsh try: (One line!) > > > > alias cwdcmd 'set prompt="${HOST} ${user} \\! (`dirs|sed -e > > '\''s| .*||'\'' -e '\''s|.*[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\)|...\1|'\''`): "' > > > > maybe it works with csh also. It'll give you a nice prompt. > > As an alternative, try adding the following lines to .cshrc: > > setenv HOSTNAME `/bin/hostname | /bin/sed 's/\..*//'` > alias SetPrompt 'set prompt="[$HOSTNAME]:`dirs`> "' > alias cd 'chdir \!* && SetPrompt' > set prompt="[$HOSTNAME]:`dirs`> " > > (Commands that read something like: *[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\) > always kind of drive me: #@$&(*^%(&$&^@ nuts.) > Me too! With tcsh, I just use: set prompt="%M:%/ %h%# " and for csh (this does _not_ produce the same prompt): set host=`hostname` set prompt="${user}(${host}) \!% " which may print the fully qualified hostname on some machines I guess, but not on mine. :-) Anyhow, you could try them first and use sed only if absolutely necessary. --david deininger
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: 3.1 Librarian Questions Date: 7 Oct 1993 14:52:06 GMT Organization: University of Florida Message-ID: <291aemINN1ba@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, Alright, I'm stumped. There are a few of things in Librarian in NS3.1 that seem to be screwed up. The first and most important is that I don't get a one line summary of the files, like I used to. This makes looking things up in the FAQ, NeXTAnswers, NewsGrazer folder, etc., very difficult to do. I have to guess which one is useful. Is there an option that I can set either in the indexing script or in the searching script? ixbuild.1 and ixsearch.1 don't seem to help. Does Librarian use these? I assume so. The second thing is that I can't seem to index links to NewsGrazers folders correctly. In 2.1 I created a bunch of links to each *.nfold file and put the links into Librarian. This worked fine. But now if I put in the link it passes through the link and puts in the name of the file, e.g. faqs.nfold instead of faqs-news. Then when I try to index it says that it works, but it doesn't. I have appropriate permissions and a .index.store file does exist. The *.nfold files are actually on another mounted filesystem in a subdirectory of Library which I have linked to ~/Library. (Does this make sense?) This is exactly the same setup as in NS2.1 and it worked there. The third thing (and least important, but still annoying) is that I have the "Open in Librarian" checked for Text Files in Librarian Preferences. However, it still opens these in Edit. Is this proper? Am I misunderstanding what this means? I greatly appreciate all help. I rely on Librarian a lot. If I could use it correctly now, I probably wouldn't have to ask this. (And if this is a RTFM question, please tell me so, but also tell me where! :-) -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
From: samurai@amber.hasc.ca (Darcy Brockbank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX Date: 7 Oct 1993 15:15:10 GMT Organization: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Message-ID: <291bpu$1dt@amber.hasc.ca> References: <CE8v8D.Cw9@kithrup.com> In article <CE8v8D.Cw9@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: > But it's best to > ignore facts, isn't it, and just rest safe and secure in your belief that > you know everything. Hee hee. I never thought that SEF (of all people) would say this :-). - db
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Screen keeps going dark! Message-ID: <55097@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 7 Oct 93 15:34:27 GMT References: <28v8o7$fjl@news.u.washington.edu> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD We have a SPARC 10 whose screen also goes dark and we reboot. Mark Stankus
From: Mike_Paquette@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Date: 1 Oct 1993 20:13:38 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <28i31j$mfg@rosie.next.com> References: <CE56z3.B7u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: ATI, Display Driver The 1120 x 832 color modes will work correctly only on boards which have the following: ATI68875 or TI 34075 RAMDAC 2 MB of video memory 68800-6 or XL Mach32 Graphics Controller Older boards may have the right RAMDAC and memory, but may be using the 68800-3 Mach32 Graphics Controller. These boards cannot cleanly display scanlines longer than 1024 pixels at a depth of 16 bit per pixel. Symptoms of the older controller running at 1120 x 832 include periodic video 'noise' down the left or right side at all times. Some boards may exhibit tearing or noise to the right of windows when the windows are being dragged. This is due to video transfers of pixels being dropped while the frame buffer is being read by the Window Server. The problem is less severe at lower vertical refresh rates. Before selecting higher resolution or higher refresh rate configurations, you should verify that your monitor is capable of synchronizing with the video signal. Refer to your monitor's manual for details. For example, the NEC 4FG monitor cannot syncronize with the 1280 x 1024 non-interlaced 60 Hz signal produced by the highest resolution graycsale setting. Many 'generic' SVGA monitors cannot synchronize with 800 x 600 noninterlaced signals beyond a 60 Hz refresh rate. The horizontal and vertical timing used matches VESA guidelines and standards for all VESA modes. Note that 1120 x 832 resolution is not a VESA standard or guidelime mode. Some displays may be incapable of synchronizing with this video signal. Mike_Paquette@NeXT.COM ---- I don't speak for NeXT, and NeXT doesn't speak for me. Any techical information presented here is unofficial, and was probably produced by line noise.
From: Mike_Paquette@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ATI driver problems, and things to be aware of. Date: 4 Oct 1993 18:08:59 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <28porr$pl5@rosie.next.com> References: <28fi3v$uc@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> ATI Mach32 Chip versions Older ATI Ultra Pro boards, and systems which integrate the ATI Mach32 chip into a custom localbus implementation, may be based on the ATI 68800-3 Mach32 chip. This chip is not capable of supporting 16 bit per pixel NEXTSTEP video output for scan lines longer thatn 1024 pixels. If the display appears to have periodic video 'noise' down the left or right side at all times, then the system almost certainly has the older Mach32 chip, and does not support 1120 x 832 color. As of this writing, we know of no reliable way to differentiate between the older 68800-3 chips and the newer versions from the NEXTSTEP driver environment. Video Memory Systems Some video display systems may not reserve sufficient bandwidth for the VRAM to RAMDAC data path. These systems may show sparkling or video dropout when large numbers of burst reads are done from the video memory by the CPU. This effect is most visible when dragging windows. The severity of the sparkling or video dropouts can be reduced by selecting a lower refresh rate (e.g., 60 Hz instead of 68 Hz) or a lower resolution display. Monitor Capabilities Before selecting higher resolution or higher refresh rate configurations, you should verify that your monitor is capable of synchronizing with the video signal. Refer to your monitor's manual for details. For example, the NEC 4FG monitor cannot syncronize with the 1280 x 1024 non-interlaced 60 Hz signal produced by the highest resolution graycsale setting (It's documented maximum is 1024 x 768 @ 70 Hz). Many 'generic' SVGA monitors cannot synchronize with 800 x 600 noninterlaced signals beyond a 60 Hz refresh rate. The horizontal and vertical timing used matches VESA guidelines and standards for all VESA modes. Note that 1120 x 832 resolution is not a VESA standard or guideline mode. Some displays may be incapable of synchronizing with this video signal. Symptoms of exceeding a monitor's capabilities include: Wildly distorted images Horizontal instability and tearing No picture Mike_Paquette@NeXT.COM ---- I don't speak for NeXT Computer, and NeXT Computer doesn't speak for me. Any factual information presented in this message is my responsibility, and doesn't represent anything official from NeXT Computer. In fact, it was probably produced by line noise.
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Modem recomendations... Date: 7 Oct 1993 16:23:42 GMT Organization: Compuer Science Undergrad Assoc, UCBerkeley Message-ID: <291fqe$keh@agate.berkeley.edu> Any recommendations on a good 9600 baud modem to use on a NeXTstation (vanilla) for SLIP? -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing. Too sane to be happy, too mad to be content. I'm not paranoid. A paranoid only thinks that the world is out to get him.
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with services applist file? Date: 7 Oct 1993 16:14:15 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <291f8n$gbb@hub.ucsb.edu> I got the following error in my console shortly after login today: Oct 7 09:10:25 foxtrot syslog: make_services: cannot read services applist file. I assume it is talking about the file ~/.NeXT/services/.applist -- am I right? I just did a 'more' on that file, and it appears to be fine. What might the problem be? -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: cew@quark.Stanford.EDU (Carlin E. Wiegner) Subject: Load monitoring software.... Message-ID: <1993Oct7.174448.5045@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:44:48 GMT Is there any piece of software out there that can graphically let me have a window up showing NFS transactions, load, performance, packets, etc. I'd like something like what comes with SunOS or XWindows.... thanks for the info....please email replies and I'll get a repost.... CW -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($ES('1H97)E(&%N M>2!P:65C92!O9B!S;V9T=V%R92!O=70@=&AE<F4@=&AA="!C86X@9W)A<&AI M8V%L;'D@;&5T(&UE(&AA=F4@82!W:6YD;W<@=7`@<VAO=VEN9R!.1E,@=')A M;G-A8W1I;VYS+"!L;V%D+"!P97)F;W)M86YC92P@<&%C:V5T<RP@971C+EP* M7`I))V0@;&EK92!S;VUE=&AI;F<@;&EK92!W:&%T(&-O;65S('=I=&@@4W5N M3U,@;W(@6%=I;F1O=W,N+BXN7`IT:&%N:W,@9F]R('1H92!I;F9O+BXN+G!L M96%S92!E;6%I;"!R97!L:65S(&%N9"!))VQL(&=E="!A(')E<&]S="XN+BY< ("D-77`H*?0II `
From: aminabdu@crayola.rutgers.edu (Amin Abdulghani) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Readin Next Disks Keywords: Next disks Message-ID: <Oct.7.13.28.58.1993.26202@crayola.rutgers.edu> Date: 7 Oct 93 17:28:59 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi, I have a couple of disks which I forrmatted on the Next workstations. I want to read these disks agian but unfortunately there are no Next workstations around here. Most of the systems are Sun Sparstations. Is there a way I can read these disks. Amin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Re: Looking for source for "feathers" Message-ID: <1993Oct7.183653.4201@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com References: <1993Oct6.210111.1058@afs.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:36:53 GMT Michael Pizolato (that's me) writes >Does anyone have the source code for "feathers," or know where I >can get it? Feathers is a tar clone that doesn't have the file >name length restriction. I tried using the gnutar that ships with >NEXTSTEP, but it also has problems with some of the file name >lengths I have do deal with. > >Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. The solution is that I didn't know enough about gnutar. While it is true that gnutar complains about long file names and saves them in files like @@MaNgLeD.9, it also has a mechanism where it records these files along with their proper paths and eventually places them in the correct location. So, I just had to be patient and let gnutar finish, and everything worked just fine. The only thing left for me to do is to direct stderr to /dev/null in the script where I use gnutar, because my script copies hundreds of files and the warnings are distracting. Thanks to Steve Hayman, Robert Kedoin, and others for explaining this to me. Thanks also to Ried Thiel for suggesting /NextAdmin/Installer.app/installer_bigtar (and to Eric P. Scott, who didn't reply to my post but had mentioned installer_bigtar in another thread, which at least got me thinking :-). Thanks also to anyone I didn't mention by name - I don't have all the e-mail any more. Michael -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail accepted re data that seems related. I'd really appreciate an e-mail copy of the solution if it doesn't get posted to the net. Thanx, Michael -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
Message-ID: <{8$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 14:42:08 MDT From: yackd@texas.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <y7$@byu.edu> <1993Oct7.051936.321@relief.com> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: Recycler playing sounds In article <1993Oct7.051936.321@relief.com>, jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: >In article <y7$@byu.edu> writes: >> >> >> Hey, I've got my recycler making noises when I recycle trash >> now and was wondering if maybe it would be worth writing up >> a FAQ entry telling how to accomplish this? (It requires a >> little bit of surgery...) > >Definitely write it up and post it. I'll have a recorded "gulp" sound >waiting....... Tomorrow I will. Let me upload a few of the files I performed surgery on first, and then I post how to use 'em. It's really quite simple, and I don't know why noone has does this before... just a few .nib file edits. :-) Later, -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
From: lwatkins@nextlee.hcf.jhu.edu (Lee Watkins Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP for isolated NeXT user Date: 7 Oct 1993 18:21:58 GMT Organization: HCF - Johns Hopkins University, Balitmore, Maryland, USA Distribution: na Message-ID: <291mo6INNaal@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Keywords: scsi disk drive Hello out there, NeXTperts. A staff member at Towson State University here in Maryland has a standalone mono original NeXT slab, to which he is trying to attach an extra hard disk. Both he and I are rather confused and pretty clueless, so if *you* have a clue what is going on here (even if it is "give up, it won't work) please contact him, David Rawn, at 410-830-3112 if you're feeling supportive. He is trying to use a GCC Technologies 80MB external SCSI disk drive, which is over 5 years old. He had an identical drive which worked fine under 3.0, now he has another one and it does NOT work under 3.1. The error he gets is (approximately): "cannot open device file for disk" He talked to someone at NeXT who told him he needs to format the disk, eg. run /usr/etc/sdform /dev/rsdn2 (he's using scsi device 2 for this one) but it tells him "permission denied" even though he is logged in as root. I realize this is probably partial information and convoluted at that, but I don't even know the right questions to ask and though someone out there might. Lee Watkins, Jr. Homewood Academic Computing 50 Krieger Hall Johns Hopkins University 410-516-8096
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@proxima.cc.colorado.edu (Joe Roberts) Subject: vt100 mail program compatible with Mail.app? Message-ID: <CEJnzB.3vx@Colorado.EDU> Keywords: mail Sender: news@Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 20:37:58 GMT Hi I just got an account on my physics department's NeXT, and what I would like is a program that is compatible with Mail.app but works under, say, vt100 emulation. I'd like this so that it would be more convennient to read email when calling in by modem. I looked through all the FAQs that I found, but didn't see any mention of a program that would do what I want. Oh, I realize that NeXT Mail wouldn't "work" across vt100 emulation, that's fine. I did run across an application that is supposed to send NeXT Mail to Mail.app and plain text mail to another mail program of your choice, and from the documention, it seemed that elm would compile on the NeXT, so is this prehaps my best bet? Oh, and while I don't have root access, if it might be needed to install whatever programs, the guy that does will be willing to put pretty much whatever I ask in. Thanks in advance --joe -- Joe Roberts j_roberts@cc.colorado.edu tjr3@phys.ksu.edu joe@proxima@cc.colorado.edu (NeXTMail ok) -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$S-#1<='@R-C@X7'1X-#`S,EQT M>#4S-S9<='@V-S(P7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DT,#A<='@Q,#<U,EQT>#$R,#DV7'1X M,3,T-#!<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,CA<9F,P7&-F,"!<"DAI7`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`@96UU;&%T:6]N+"!T:&%T)W,@9FEN92Y<"EP* M22!D:60@<G5N(&%C<F]S<R!A;B!A<'!L:6-A=&EO;B!T:&%T(&ES('-U<'!O M<V5D('1O('-E;F0@3F585"!-86EL('1O($UA:6PN87!P(&%N9"!P;&%I;B!T M97AT(&UA:6P@=&\@86YO=&AE<B!M86EL('!R;V=R86T@;V8@>6]U<B!C:&]I M8V4L(&%N9"!F<F]M('1H92!D;V-U;65N=&EO;BP@:70@<V5E;65D('1H870@ M96QM('=O=6QD(&-O;7!I;&4@;VX@=&AE($YE6%0L('-O(&ES('1H:7,@<')E M:&%P<R!M>2!B97-T(&)E=#\@7`I<"D]H+"!A;F0@=VAI;&4@22!D;VXG="!H M879E(')O;W0@86-C97-S+"!I9B!I="!M:6=H="!B92!N965D960@=&\@:6YS M=&%L;"!W:&%T979E<B!P<F]G<F%M<RP@=&AE(&=U>2!T:&%T(&1O97,@=VEL M;"!B92!W:6QL:6YG('1O('!U="!P<F5T='D@;75C:"!W:&%T979E<B!)(&%S M:R!I;BX@(%P*7`I4:&%N:W,@:6X@861V86YC95P*("`M+6IO92`@7`HM+5P* M7`I*;V4@4F]B97)T<PD@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@(%P*:E]R;V)E<G1S0&-C M+F-O;&]R861O+F5D=2`@("`@('1J<C-`<&AY<RYK<W4N961U7`IJ;V5`<')O F>&EM84!C8RYC;VQO<F%D;RYE9'4@*$YE6%1-86EL(&]K*2`*?0IJ `
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: New ATI driver problems Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 8 Oct 1993 00:42:16 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <292d19$1si@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <1993Sep29.145658.14557@crash> <stone.93Oct4192334@virus.cosy> I get a completely black screen on a 6-mo old Intel GX/Pro with a ($2,500) NEC 6fg monitor in 1280*1024*8 60Hz mode. It cannot be the monitor. I have run this monitor at 1280*1024 74Hz NI under Windoze a while ago. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Backspace problem Date: 8 Oct 1993 14:45:51 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <293uev$eii@hamblin.math.byu.edu> I have Backspace running on my slab and just for the last week, I've noticed a strange problem: The Backspace Icon disappears from my dock on logout (that is, it's not there when I login again). None of the other users on that system seem to have this problem. I've tried various things with file permissions and so (I have root access), but to no avail. Any ideas? If this is a common problem I apologize for bothering you all. -Bill --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck) Subject: SCSI DAT drive on NS/I, how to change hostname Message-ID: <QN1HBS8L@math.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Newman Library, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 16:01:16 GMT I have two unrelated questions on NS/Intel. I'm trying to use an HP SCSI DAT drive connected to an Adaptec 1542B. The Adaptec driver doesn't seem to be detecting the DAT drive (this is a drive borrowed from a friend's NeXTStation Turbo, so I know it works with NeXTSTEP). I've already checked the obvious things, i.e. termination, cabling, etc. I know the Adaptec is good, I usually use it with a NeXT CD-ROM. I tried the DAT at SCSI ID's 0, 1, and 4. I get "no such device or address" when I try to access /dev/rst0 (this is the device my friend uses on his NeXTStation). There are no other SCSI devices on the bus (I have IDE hard drives). Any ideas? My other question is this: How does one set the hostname on a standalone machine? I tried using Hostmanager.app, but the machine just hung when I rebooted it. On NeXTStep/Motorola it will complain about not being attached to the network, but then continue without a network. But on NS/I I can't seem to get past this. Any help is appreciated. -- Tim Buck "If I don't do anything I'm ashamed of, I won't timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu have anything to worry about. Now, getting rid rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu of the shame, that's the hard part."
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Houses icons not showing up...help Message-ID: <1993Oct8.084825.1616@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 93 08:48:25 MDT Organization: Utah State University For some reason I am no longer seeing user directories as houses, or my uucppublic directory. This seems to be specific to just this user account, other user accounts work fine. Does anyone have any ideas on why this may have happened? Many thanks, John Zollinger slv0y@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: jwdb@dutnak2.tn.tudelft.nl (Jan-Willem de Bruijn) Subject: Re: Preferences(.app) corrupted by Cub'X ??? Message-ID: <jwdb.750100187@dutnak2> Keywords: mouse preferences Cub'X Sender: news@news.tudelft.nl (UseNet News System) Organization: Delft University of Technology References: <jwdb.749989533@dutnak2> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 17:09:47 GMT In a previous posting I wrote about the strange behaviour of Preferences.app. >After I had installed >the Cub'X-Window software, although I must say I don't know if this is >the real cause, the mouse no longer had a menu button. >Trying to change this back again with the Preferences.app, causes the >latter program to crash. There is no way to configure the mouse with a >menu button anymore. >Also the Volume and Brightness sliders keep on moving back to their >minimum and maximum positions respectively, no matter what you do. >The Key Repeat Rate is reset to its slowest position, and although you >can click on the buttons in the Keyboard Preferences panel, this has no >effect. After noticing that BackSpace also wouldn't run anymore. I checked the console, and there it said something like NXOpenEventStatus failed: no such file. I checked the list of files in /dev (wild guess) against that of another machine and, indeed, a file /dev/evs0 seemed to be missing. This couldn't be a coincidence, so I (re-)created it with 'mknod /dev/evs0 c 40 0', give it rw--w--w- permission, and rebooted my machine (a NeXTcube, BTW). And the problem had disappeared! I was so glad about this that I immediately wrote this message. Now we'll have to see what happens if I install Cub'X again... Thanks for your attention, Jan-Willem -- Jan-Willem de Bruijn jwdb@dutnak2.tn.tudelft.nl Lab. of Seismics and Acoustics NeXT-mail: jwdb@delphi.tn.tudelft.nl Dep. of Applied Physics Discipline is never an end in itself, Delft University of Technology only a means to an end.
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 15:24:02 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <AghPtGa00WB7AR6x9i@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2934ce$bhh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 8-Oct-93 Re: Useability of POSIX (wa.. by David Lemson@ux1.cso.uiu > The major problem with gcc is the 'new version every week'. Well, you generally only need to upgrade when the minor version number changes: like from 2.3.x to 2.4.x. Changes in the third digit, which should be what RCS calls the branch digit, typically represent specific problem fixes for a few machines or gcc support for a new system type. You generally don't need to bother going from say 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 unless you have a machine which is effected by these changes. I don't speak for the FSF, of course, and your milage may vary, but I've found that rebuilding gcc only when the minor number changes is a reasonable tradeoff between forever getting & building new versions of gcc and missing new features that have been added.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Backspace problem Message-ID: <21682@news.duke.edu> Date: 8 Oct 93 20:04:38 GMT References: <293uev$eii@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Bill Smith writes > I have Backspace running on my slab and just for the last week, I've noticed > a strange problem: The Backspace Icon disappears from my dock on logout > (that is, it's not there when I login again). None of the other users on that > system seem to have this problem. I've tried various things with file > permissions and so (I have root access), but to no avail. Any ideas? If > this is a common problem I apologize for bothering you all. I don't have an answer, I have the opposite problem! On my standalone Color Turbo at home, there's an app in my dock that I don't want there anymore and I keep dragging it off. When I login again, it's back. I can't remember which app it is right now, but it's not Backspace. Any answers for this one while we're at it? Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 21:16:52 GMT HI, I'm using my terminal a lot and would like to use the arrow key to scroll on the history list. Anyone knows how to set it up, like in the .cshrc/.login?? Andy
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Date: 8 Oct 1993 21:40:05 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: usa Message-ID: <294mnl$qqs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> In article <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > HI, > > I'm using my terminal a lot and would like to use the arrow key to scroll on > the history list. Anyone knows how to set it up, like in the > ..cshrc/.login?? > > Andy Here's an old post I have saved for a couple of years: Ok, here's how to set up your csh to use the arrow keys: First, add these lines to your ".cshrc" (preferably between the if and endif): set editmode = emacs set macrofiles = .macros Then create a file called ".bindings" and put in it: bind-to-key ExecuteNamedMacro '\e[' And, next, you need to make a file called ".macros" however, this one you need to enter some control characters into, because the csh STILL cannot write a macro file (And I'm using 2.1). Into this file put: A^@^@^@^A^P B^@^@^@^A^N C^@^@^@^A^F D^@^@^@^A^B where ^@ means Control-@ and ^A means Control-A, etc. Also, don't put in the leading spaces. This will set up the left and right arrows to move back and forth on the line, and the up and down arrows will cycle through your history. Have fun. Chris Osborn severyn@cube05.csus.edu (It's the only account I have access to) -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David Peter) Subject: HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES Message-ID: <CELD28.2rt@beach.uucp> Keywords: HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES Sender: dpeter@beach.uucp (David Peter) Organization: HSD Microcomputer, U.S., Inc. Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 18:37:20 GMT HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES HSD offers a complete line of professional desktop scanners, accessories and office productivity software for computers running NeXTSTEP at very competitive prices.During the months of October and Novermber HSD is offering special prices on four complete office productivity solutions which include scanners, software and accessories: Package #1 (Limited Quantity Available) HSD Scan-Office OCR System: $895 This package includes: - Scan-X Professional Grayscale Scanner - OCR Servant Software - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Package #2 (Limited Quantity Available) HSD Scan-Office Professional OCR System: $1295 This package includes: - Scan-X Professional Grayscale Scanner - Automatic Document Feeder - OCR Servant Software - HSD Spell Software - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Package #3 HSD Color Publishing System: $1195 This package includes: - Umax UC630 Color Scanner (24-bit color) - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Package #4 HSD Professional Color Publishing System with OCR: $1595 This package includes: - Umax UC630 Color Scanner (24-bit color) - Automatic Document Feeder - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - OCR Servant Software - HSD Spell Software - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Prices available through November 31, 1993. Prices are per order. Orders may be paid for by company check or cashiers check (COD), or in advance by bank wire transfer or credit card unless credit terms have been approved with prior written authorization from HSD's financial department. Shipping is collect, FOB HSD's office, Sunnyvale, CA. International customers are responsible for payment of import duties and taxes required by your country. Purchase orders and telephone orders are accepted. Fax your purchase order to HSD at (408) 774-1402 or send it via electronic mail to sales@hsd.com. If you have any questions or would like to receive pricing and complete information about all HSD products for NeXTSTEP, please contact HSD Sales directly at (408) 774-1400, or send email to info@hsd.com. David Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTMAIL) (408) 774-1400 -- Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jbeda@pyro.st.hmc.edu Subject: Re: Backspace problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <jbeda.93Oct8165457@macel> Keywords: NeXTStep Dock Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 References: <293uev$eii@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <21682@news.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: fj Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 00:54:57 GMT > > I have Backspace running on my slab and just for the last week, I've noticed > > a strange problem: The Backspace Icon disappears from my dock on logout > > (that is, it's not there when I login again). None of the other users on > that > > system seem to have this problem. I've tried various things with file > > permissions and so (I have root access), but to no avail. Any ideas? If > > this is a common problem I apologize for bothering you all. > > I don't have an answer, I have the opposite problem! On my standalone Color > Turbo at home, there's an app in my dock that I don't want there anymore and I > keep dragging it off. When I login again, it's back. I can't remember which > app it is right now, but it's not Backspace. Any answers for this one while > we're at it? > I had this problem also. I think that there was something corrupt in the .NeXT directory. Look at apps3_0.wmd. Delete if necessary. Recreating it or copying it from the defaults might be the only thing that would save it.... joe --- +---------------------------------------------------+ | Joe Beda jbeda@macel.st.hmc.edu | | "I like food, food tastes good!" | | (909)621-8555x1378 Harvey Mudd College Atwood 201 | +---------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clr@next_c.pai.com (Charles Robinson) Subject: HP 4Si MX recommendations wanted Message-ID: <1993Oct8.193432.15540@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 19:34:32 GMT We are thinking very seriously of buying an HP LaserJet 4Si MX printer for our small NeXT network. Would like to put it up using 10Base-T. Am looking for any advice a current user might have. Specific question: the brochure I have seems to indicate that some sort of set up software needs to be run to get the printer to know its TCP/IP address. Can this software just be run (once) from a DOS PC on the net (utilizing FTP's TCP/IP package)? Am I totally confused? Our salesman seems to be suggesting a "PocketPrintServer" from Extended Systems. This seems designed for getting parallel printers onto a TCP/IP net but ... Any other comments would be welcomed. Thanks -- Charles Robinson Datec Inc. 333 W. Wacker Drive, Suite 1040 Chicago, Ill. 60606-1225 Voice: (312) 629-0880
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct9.035602.3024@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <294mnl$qqs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 03:56:02 GMT In article <294mnl$qqs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes: >In article <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> >wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >> HI, >> >> I'm using my terminal a lot and would like to use the arrow key to scroll on >> the history list. Anyone knows how to set it up, like in the >> ..cshrc/.login?? >> >> Andy > >Here's an old post I have saved for a couple of years: Thanks a lot, it works good!!! > >Ok, here's how to set up your csh to use the arrow keys: > >First, add these lines to your ".cshrc" (preferably between the if and >endif): > > set editmode = emacs > set macrofiles = .macros > >Then create a file called ".bindings" and put in it: > > bind-to-key ExecuteNamedMacro '\e[' > >And, next, you need to make a file called ".macros" however, this one >you need to enter some control characters into, because the csh STILL >cannot write a macro file (And I'm using 2.1). Into this file put: > > A^@^@^@^A^P > B^@^@^@^A^N > C^@^@^@^A^F > D^@^@^@^A^B > >where ^@ means Control-@ and ^A means Control-A, etc. Also, don't put >in the leading spaces. > I use the command: cat > .macros .....type in exactly whatever it is up there..... this is the only way I know to enter control characters.....maybe stupid but it works. Can emacs or Edit.app do this?? >This will set up the left and right arrows to move back and forth on >the line, and the up and down arrows will cycle through your history. > >Have fun. > >Chris Osborn >severyn@cube05.csus.edu >(It's the only account I have access to) > Thanks a lot again. Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct9.054235.21911@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Organization: StyleBook References: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <294mnl$qqs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 93 05:42:35 GMT There is a much simpler way. In .cshrc, just set editmode=vi That's all. John .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 8 Oct 93 20:56:04 PDT HELP!!! After waiting two weeks for my new SCSI HD and NSI to arrive, I've borrowed a Toshiba CD-ROM and am preparing to install this weekend. When I start up NSI, it says that it is unable to find the CD (Adaptec 1542c interface), and asks for a root partition to boot from. If I say sc1, it gives an error and won't let me out (c to continue, forever...reset!) I have: Maxtor 1240s - SCSI ID 0 Toshiba CD-ROM - SCSI ID 1 (recognized under dos, by the way, and by the controler at boot time) Western Digital 345 ide (diabled to allow NSI to find the Maxtor, per the installation instructions) I'm interested in finding a solution in a HURRY - I only have the CD-ROM until Sunday, and Next is closed!! Help!!! =) Please send email - I'll notice it right away, and will also check this group every few hours until I get this resolved. If you need further info, please let me know, and thanks for any help you might be able to give. Dane p.s. Yes, SCSI termination is on both ends of the bus - internal and external. Adaptec is id#4
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: HP DeskJet 500 setup info Message-ID: <1993Oct9.063235.227@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Oct7.020539.2888@imani.cam.org> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 06:32:35 GMT Thanks to all who answer (they know who they are...) Don't send anymore drivers!!! 8^) Ciao Nicolas Dore -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "Le calembour est la fiente du mot qui vole." < > Victor Hugo <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: Terminal question Message-ID: <CEI237.J1@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <28v3vr$5sa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 23:47:31 GMT In article <28umd2$ls9@ftp.alleg.edu> Airborne writes: >> Is there anyway to get Terminal (sic)to display >> the current wroking directory as its prompt? Bastian Schlueter writes > If you use tcsh try: (One line!) > alias cwdcmd 'set prompt="${HOST} ${user} \\! (`dirs|sed -e '\''s| .*||'\'' -e '\''s|.*[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\)|...\1|'\''`): "' you're making it much too complicated. with tcsh you can just say set prompt = "%C"; to get the last part of the current directory to be the prompt. or set prompt = "%m:%C %h %%"; to get the add hostname, history number and a trailing % there are other format strings for almost everything you would want, time/date,user name,return code, bold etc -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <CELroJ.6B@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 23:53:06 GMT Waihon Andrew Kwong writes > I ... would like to use the arrow key to scroll on the history list. forget csh and get one of the more modern shells of the net. this works by default in tcsh, and I think bash and zsh have similar features. if you know csh, you can use tcsh without "unlearning" anything. its upwardly compatible -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4 From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <1993Oct9.110620.14616@cas.org> Followup-To: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4 Sender: usenet@cas.org Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc. References: <4gfkBki00WB=8_y60F@andrew.cmu.edu> <CEI00J.Mxr@rex.uokhsc.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 11:06:20 GMT In article <CEI00J.Mxr@rex.uokhsc.edu>, Benjamin Z. Goldsteen <benjamin-goldsteen@uokhsc.edu> wrote: : I guess that is the difference between commercial software and FSF :software. In this particular case, it is one of the differences between what sounds like a good upgrade by one particular commercial vendor's compiler and the FSF compiler. On the other hand, if I have read this thread correctly, the FSF compiler was significantly better before this latest release - what does _that_ say about the difference? -- :s :s Larry W. Virden INET: lvirden@cas.org :s Personal: 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <1993Oct9.012951.6931@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 9 Oct 93 01:29:49 PDT References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> Dane Jasper (djasper@odie.santarosa.edu) wrote: : Maxtor 1240s - SCSI ID 0 : Toshiba CD-ROM - SCSI ID 1 (recognized under dos, by the way, : and by the controler at boot time) : Western Digital 345 ide (diabled to allow NSI to find the Maxtor, : per the installation instructions) : I'm interested in finding a solution in a HURRY - I only have the : CD-ROM until Sunday, and Next is closed!! Help!!! =) Please : send email - I'll notice it right away, and will also check this : group every few hours until I get this resolved. More info: The CD is a Toshiba XM-3301TA Rev 2411. NS says "No CD-ROM found, use sd%d, hd%d, or fd%d, and no matter what sd# I enter, I get 'Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode - 0 - waiting for RDP connection (c to continue) and get stuck in a loop... Ideas?? Dane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Goetz.von-Escher@open.ch (Goetz von Escher) Subject: Title Bar of Terminal Windows Message-ID: <CEMqHz.AE3@eunet.ch> Keywords: Terminal Window shell Sender: usenet@eunet.ch (News Administrator) Organization: EUnet Switzerland Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 12:25:10 GMT Question to Terminal.app: Is it possible to modify the text in the title bar of a window from the shell? For example it would be nice to automatically display the hostname when logging in to a remote host. -- Goetz von Escher email: goetz@open.ch Open Systems AG voice: +41 (61) 262-0505 Basel, Switzerland FAX: +41 (61) 262-0510
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <CEMx0q.34L@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct9.012951.6931@nic.csu.net> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 14:46:02 GMT In article <1993Oct9.012951.6931@nic.csu.net> djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) writes: >Dane Jasper (djasper@odie.santarosa.edu) wrote: > > >: Maxtor 1240s - SCSI ID 0 >: Toshiba CD-ROM - SCSI ID 1 (recognized under dos, by the way, >: and by the controler at boot time) >: Western Digital 345 ide (diabled to allow NSI to find the Maxtor, >: per the installation instructions) > >: I'm interested in finding a solution in a HURRY - I only have the >: CD-ROM until Sunday, and Next is closed!! Help!!! =) Please >: send email - I'll notice it right away, and will also check this >: group every few hours until I get this resolved. > >More info: The CD is a Toshiba XM-3301TA Rev 2411. > > > >NS says "No CD-ROM found, use sd%d, hd%d, or fd%d, and no matter > >what sd# I enter, I get 'Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode - > >0 - waiting for RDP connection (c to continue) and get stuck in > >a loop... > I tried using a Toshiba external and a DPT 2022 controll to re-install NSFIP. We had to set the Toshibo to SCSI ID 6. In answer to the sd# question I can't remember whether we answered sd1 or sd6. Try answering sd1 first. I don't see any info in your post about what system you are using, or what controler board. Are you sure you are using a supported controller/motherboard combination? -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Fax: (617) 863-8575 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) Voice: (617) 861-5579 NeXTMail O.K.
From: phone@cairo.anu.edu.au (matthew green) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Date: 9 Oct 93 15:37:50 GMT Organization: Australian National University Message-ID: <phone.750181070@cairo> References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <2934ce$bhh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >The major problem with gcc is the 'new version every week'. -r--r--r-- 1 gnu staff 5558673 Jun 20 21:39 gcc-2.4.5.tar.gz thats a lot of missing weeks... mrg..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <1993Oct9.104923.6934@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 9 Oct 93 10:49:22 PDT References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct9.012951.6931@nic.csu.net> <CEMx0q.34L@phcs.com> Jim Quick (jq@phcs.com) wrote: : In article <1993Oct9.012951.6931@nic.csu.net> djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) writes: : >Dane Jasper (djasper@odie.santarosa.edu) wrote: : > : > : >: Maxtor 1240s - SCSI ID 0 : >: Toshiba CD-ROM - SCSI ID 1 (recognized under dos, by the way, : >: and by the controler at boot time) : >: Western Digital 345 ide (diabled to allow NSI to find the Maxtor, : >: per the installation instructions) : > : >More info: The CD is a Toshiba XM-3301TA Rev 2411. : > : >NS says "No CD-ROM found, use sd%d, hd%d, or fd%d, and no matter : >what sd# I enter, I get 'Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode - : >0 - waiting for RDP connection (c to continue) and get stuck in : >a loop... : I tried using a Toshiba external and a DPT 2022 controll to : re-install NSFIP. We had to set the Toshibo to SCSI ID 6. : In answer to the sd# question I can't remember whether we : answered sd1 or sd6. Try answering sd1 first. I don't see : any info in your post about what system you are using, or : what controler board. Are you sure you are using a supported : controller/motherboard combination? Yes, it's a Gateway 2000 486/66 motherboard with an Adaptec 1542c controler - should be ok. I have disabled bios shadowing (which causes a very strange strangled beep at startup?) like the Nextanswers for the Gateway said. I will give the id 6 a try! Thanks - I will let you know what happens... Dane
From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MH? Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 15:53:07 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cghlOXKSMUkH9Qb8kp@transarc.com> If you've compiled MH 6.8.1 on NeXTstep 3.0, can you send me your configuration files for the build? I'm hit by a lack of documentation and time, and all I really need to know (really) is how to get around this annoyance from cc insisting on notbeing able to handle "#include <anything>" due to the shortcomings of the ARCH_INCLUDE() macro. Thanks in advance. -- Ward C. Travis Pittsburgh PA USA "The fact is the sweetest dream that travis@transarc.com (412) 338 4388 labor knows." - R. Frost
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: program@oingo.umn.edu (Jim's Programming Account) Subject: chimes for NeXT using crontab Message-ID: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: chimes crontab Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:30:40 GMT Anyone DL'd the chimes package that is supposed to make your NeXT into a grandfather clock?? I got it but nothing chimes when the hour changes. here is a copy of my crontab file:: 0,15,30,45 * * * * root /usr/lib/atrun 0 2 * * * root /bin/sh /usr/adm/daily >/usr/adm/daily.log 2>&1 30 3 * * 6 root /bin/sh /usr/adm/weekly >/usr/adm/weekly.log 2>&1 30 5 1 * * root /bin/sh /usr/adm/monthly >/usr/adm/monthly.log 2>&1 0 * * * * root /bin/sh /LocalLibrary/DownLoads/hours/hourly I placed the chimes in /LocalLibrary/DownLoads/hours/ for my own reasons, Thanks,
From: neil@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (John Neil) Newsgroups: rec.games.go,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Maintenance release of NeXTGo available Summary: Updated version now compatible with current server... Keywords: nextgo, igs, release Message-ID: <297ald$q7m@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Date: 9 Oct 93 07:32:29 GMT Article-I.D.: ursula.297ald$q7m I have placed NeXTGo version 2.5 available for anonymous ftp from <ftp.mth.pdx.edu> in the /pub/go directory. You can retrieve it from there. This is a maintenance release which is intended to just cover changes in the IGS which made 2.3 obsolete. Those who wish to recompile it under NS3.0 should experience no major difficulties. The binary present was compiled under NS2.1 (since that's all I have). If you experience any difficulties with this version, please let me know. --John Neil -- John Neil e-mail: neil@math.mth.pdx.edu Director of Computer Labs and UNIX System Administrator Portland State University Mathematics Department =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: kevins@bmd.com Subject: Multi-disk packages Message-ID: <1993Oct9.033614.19401@bMD.com> Sender: kevins@bMD.com (Kevin Solie) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex, KY) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 03:36:14 GMT Anyone know what's up with 3.1 and multi disk packages... I have installed multi disk packages that were made under 3.0 or lower but the ones I create under 3.1 seem to have a problem ejecting the first disk.... Any ideas???? -- I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye. Kevin Solie -- I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next From: kapela@poly.edu (Theodore S. Kapela) Subject: NS/IP install: load of /etc/mach_init failed. . . Message-ID: <CEnEsp.JA@poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University, New York Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:10:01 GMT Just tried installing NeXTStep 486 on my system after taking care of some problems. The mach kernel boots OK, and registers devices/drivers OK (but only after ejecting the floppy immediately after the Mach Kernel header appears). After getting past all the registration, it appears that the kernel wants to continue, but hangs when it tries to read /etc/init. The last four lines that appear: root on sd1 (This is the CDROM drive) rootdev 608, howto 0 Load of /etc/mach_init failed, errno 13, trying /etc/init Load of /etc/init failed, errno 13 Here is where it hangs. The CD Rom drive is correctly identified, and the CDROM disk is also correctly identified (NEXTSTEP_3.1) Some system info: Mylex 486 EISA motherboard (Had to change KB controller from Phoenix to AMI) Orchid Prodesigner IIs VGA (To be upgraded IF I can get NSIP going) Buslogic 747S SCSI2 controller Toshiba XM3301 CDROM drive (internal) Seagate ST11200 1.0G disk Any tips or suggestions on how to resolv this problem would be greatly appreciated. -- Theodore S. Kapela Center for Applied Large-Scale Computing Polytechnic University kapela@poly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kapela@poly.edu (Theodore S. Kapela) Subject: Phoenix KB ctrl not supported: lNS/IP install reboot problems solved Message-ID: <CEnFJM.rv@poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University, New York Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:26:10 GMT I had earlier posted an article about a problem I was having installing NeXTStep 486 on my system. What would happen is the mach kernel would load and start OK, but as soon as it started to register devices/drivers, it would spontaneously reboot. I only got one reply from someone that had a similar problem where a system would hang (one of his friend's). Replacing the Phoenix KB controller that was installed with an AMI fixed the problem. I suspected this could also be MY problem. I have a Mylex 486 EISA motherboard with a Phoenix 8242 keyboard controller. Luckily, I had access to another system with an AMI 8042 keyboard controller. I popped out the 8242 and popped in the AMI 8042. Wouldn't you know it? NS/IP booted fine. I am now placing my order for a replacement KB controller (AMI). Since I did get one other "me too - same problem", I though others may like to know that at least some Phoenix KB controllers are not compatible with NS/IP. I originally ordered my system from Northgate (pretty nice machine, BTW, but a little on the expensive side. *Excellent* service (if you need it) more than makes up for the slightly higher pricing). I will try obtaining a replacement directly from them. If that fails, I will try a local distributor (Liuski International, with locations around the US), which is where the system I "borrowed" the AMI chip from originated. -- Theodore S. Kapela Center for Applied Large-Scale Computing Polytechnic University kapela@poly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: Backspace problem Message-ID: <1993Oct9.212743.1464@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <21682@news.duke.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:27:43 GMT In article <21682@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: > I don't have an answer, I have the opposite problem! On my > standalone Color Turbo at home, there's an app in my dock that > I don't want there anymore and I keep dragging it off. When I > login again, it's back. I can't remember which app it is right > now, but it's not Backspace. Any answers for this one while > we're at it? > Look at your ~/.NeXT/.NeXTdefaults.L file (this is where defaults are kept, the dock paths among them). If the permissions on that directory or the file are wrong that could be the problem. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Date: 09 Oct 1993 22:49:58 GMT Organization: nope Message-ID: <BSON.93Oct9174958@moomin.ai.mit.edu> References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> <BSON.93Oct5152028@moomin.ai.mit.edu> <rick.749968841@digibd> In-reply-to: rick@digibd.digibd.com's message of Thu, 7 Oct 1993 04:40:41 GMT In article <rick.749968841@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: > Nevertheless, the SVR4.2 compiler is significantly improved. Mainly > in the way it uses registers. I hadn't tried using the -O2 -m486 > -funroll-loops options with gcc 2.4.5 (just -O), but even with those > options, the SVR4.2 compiler *still* beats gcc by 9%. That's interesting, indeed. I wouldn't consider 9% either way significant, though; it's well within the possible variation from application to application. Where the main loop isn't quite so small and tight, the gcc output may very well be a few percent faster. What type of image processing are you doing? Vision or graphics? It's a good thing indeed that they now have a half-way decent compiler. The one in 4.0 was utterly useless. -- -- Jan Brittenson bson@ai.mit.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Date: 9 Oct 1993 22:35:44 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <297ec0$ib6@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: chimes crontab In article <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu>, Jim's Programming Account <klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu> wrote: >Anyone DL'd the chimes package that is supposed to make your NeXT into >a grandfather clock?? I got it but nothing chimes when the hour changes. >here is a copy of my crontab file:: > >0,15,30,45 * * * * root /usr/lib/atrun >0 2 * * * root /bin/sh /usr/adm/daily >/usr/adm/daily.log 2>&1 >30 3 * * 6 root /bin/sh /usr/adm/weekly >/usr/adm/weekly.log 2>&1 >30 5 1 * * root /bin/sh /usr/adm/monthly >/usr/adm/monthly.log >2>&1 >0 * * * * root /bin/sh /LocalLibrary/DownLoads/hours/hourly > >I placed the chimes in /LocalLibrary/DownLoads/hours/ for my own reasons, >Thanks, > Works perfectly for me: 0,30 * * * * root /usr/local/bin/chime -n a3 -r 1.8 One bong on the half-hour, <hour> bongs on the hour, no bongs for me, thanks. :-) -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------------------> Stupidity is evil waiting to happen. <-------------------]
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Date: 9 Oct 1993 22:53:40 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <297fdk$oee@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: chimes crontab program@oingo.umn.edu (Jim's Programming Account) writes: >Anyone DL'd the chimes package that is supposed to make your NeXT into >a grandfather clock?? I got it but nothing chimes when the hour changes. >here is a copy of my crontab file:: >0 * * * * root /bin/sh /LocalLibrary/DownLoads/hours/hourly Are those *one tab* where we see spaces there? A common source of crontab problems is improper formatting of the crontab. man 5 crontab for more specifics Also, did you kill -HUP your cron daemon to force it to re-read the crontab file? -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: 'limit' command has no effect? Date: 9 Oct 1993 23:16:29 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <297god$sa4@hub.ucsb.edu> I would like to be able to set a ceiling on how much memory my users can allocate, given that Mach is too dimwitted to know when it has permitted a call to malloc(1.0e+36), or anything like that (this has been hashed out in news before), and I prefer not having my users cause our machines to drop in their tracks (which they will if you try to allocate that kind of memory). Anyway, I have been testing the limits for stacksize and datasize, setting them to values like 2 Meg -- but I still am able to allocate blocks of memory in excess of 15 Megs. Is there *any* way to get these limits to work? Is the limit command useless under Mach? Thanks. -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Date: 10 Oct 1993 01:03:11 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <297n0f$4dm@umd5.umd.edu> References: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> <297fdk$oee@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: chimes crontab In article <297fdk$oee@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: >Are those *one tab* where we see spaces there? A common source of >crontab problems is improper formatting of the crontab. man 5 >crontab for more specifics According to the man page, the fields can be separated by spaces or tabs. >Also, did you kill -HUP your cron daemon to force it to re-read the >crontab file? When was this necessary? Never had to do that before, but haven't changed my cron file since 3.x. >David Lemson Has program@oingo.umn.edu tried to run his shell script as root without cron? Could be another one of those PATH things. ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "Morality is one thing. Ratings are everything." - A Network 23 executive on "Max Headroom"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <1993Oct8.093817.681@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <CEI00J.Mxr@rex.uokhsc.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:38:17 GMT In article <CEI00J.Mxr@rex.uokhsc.edu> ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen) writes: > >platform in terms of execution speed. For example, Sun's $800 ANSI C > >v2.0.1 compiler is a little better than gcc for SPARC machines. > > Add to SPARC, the MIPS C compiler, and IBM's XLC. > IBM's XLC (for AIX) used to generate wrong code, at least under AIX3.1. I have been told that under AIX3.2 the optimizer does also do wrong code generation. Bugs like this really cost time: You won't believe that the fault is the compiler, rather than your program. Result: GCC makes life easier :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: compression of online documentation Message-ID: <1993Oct6.142614.19022@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: 6 Oct 93 14:26:14 GMT References: <27qa9mINN7ls@au-ns.american.edu> Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA In article <27qa9mINN7ls@au-ns.american.edu> nigrin@american.edu writes: > > To save space, I have compressed all of the online >documentation on my machine. However, I would still >like to occasionally refer to that documentation. Is there any way to use >the digital librarian to access the compressed files? I believe there is a way to do this, at least since NS3.0. It is described in a GUN Newsletter, I think the December issue. Specifically it shows how to handle WriteNow files in DL but if I recall correctly it could be extended to handle compressed files or any kind of file that is not built into DL. I got it from sonata. -- Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us 412-471-5320 venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail] !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Date: 10 Oct 1993 07:24:07 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <298dan$p77@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> <297fdk$oee@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <297n0f$4dm@umd5.umd.edu> Keywords: chimes crontab matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: >In article <297fdk$oee@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: >>Are those *one tab* where we see spaces there? A common source of >>crontab problems is improper formatting of the crontab. man 5 >>crontab for more specifics >According to the man page, the fields can be separated by spaces or tabs. Well, you are right, each field can be separated by *one space* or *one tab*. A common mistake is to do a cut and paste to stick a line in, and the cut and paste converts the 7 spaces of a tab to 7 spaces, thus rendering that line not understandable to cron. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Message-ID: <1993Oct9.234137.17434@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 23:41:37 GMT In article <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> program@oingo.umn.edu (Jim's Programming Account) writes: > Anyone DL'd the chimes package that is supposed to make your NeXT into > a grandfather clock?? I got it but nothing chimes when the hour changes. > here is a copy of my crontab file:: You can also use our preferences modules. They give you sounds on the hour, half hour and quarter hour along with 2 simple alarms. -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: HELP: XNeXT->emacs - arrow key can't move Message-ID: <1993Oct10.152340.5263@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 15:23:40 GMT Hi, I have just setup the XNeXT/mouseX on my NeXT(Black). I start it up by Xfe and then xinitrc script. I have a xterm and emacs window on, but the Emacs will not take the arrow keys to move its cursor........ Is there any way arround? The Emacs works fine in NeXTSTEP/TERMINAL. Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: Database servers under NS 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Oct8.122520.12211@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <93278.212606CADER@auvm.american.edu> <1993Oct6.145337.25156@KYnug.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 12:25:20 GMT Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> writes: >In article <93278.212606CADER@auvm.american.edu> <CADER@auvm.american.edu> >writes: >> How does ORACLE 6 and Sybase (bundled version) run under system 3.1. >> I am running 3.0 now and everthing is fine. Should I bother to upgrade >> to 3.1 (as 3.2 is due in weekd)? >Oracle 6.x.x.x runs just fine under NS 3.0 and 3.1. I am running several >Oracle servers and databases under 3.0 and 3.1 repectfully. > >> Where can I find the dba graphical interface to Sybase under 3.1? >> >> Any hope for ORACEL7 server under NS3.1 (Intel/Moto?) >I just finished talking with Oracle Client Relations and Marketing and was >told they are currently on hold pending investigations of the NeXT market >to port Oracle7 to NEXTSTEP. I am sure Larry and Steve are doing some >talking. But, then again, there are better boxes to run Oracle server on >then Intel. Now, NS + PARISC + PLENTY OF NS DBA TOOLS = Win!! >NOTE: The first lady I talked to said she had no idea what "NEXTSTEP" was, >when is this going to end. I tried to get a NEXTSTEP-based Oracle server from our local office for an abortive project I was working on a few months back. The word I got back was that Oracle 6 was unsupported on black hardware, would not be ported to Intel, and that there were no plans to bring Oracle7 to NEXTSTEP, due to Steve and Larry agreeing that database servers belong on server hardware, and NEXTSTEP is a client OS. Bottom line, they wouldn't sell me Oracle for NEXTSTEP, or even supply an old version 6 kernel for evaluation. Sybase, of course, has been unsupported since 2.x. It runs on 3.0, and on 3.1 with some apparent client library incompatibilities (NeXT upgraded the Sybase client library under 3.1). People on the net have said you can grap the library from 3.0 and use it under 3.1. My suspicion is that the info that Neil got back about "pending investigations" of the NeXT market was just market-speak for "forget it". :~) If 3.2 breaks Oracle or Sybase, you're probably out of luck. I'd be happy to be corrected regarding Oracle. -- Royce Howland Everything is IMHO royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu Subject: Was chimes for NeXT... Message-ID: <CEpG9s.1A7@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 23:34:00 GMT ok, as root when I run hourly I get this:: oingo:6# csh hourly* number=18: Command not found. number: Undefined variable. oingo:7# So maybe it is fireing every hour but to no effect! So the question is why?? --------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- Slip Slipping' away... ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: 3.1 Librarian Questions Message-ID: <1993Oct9.165516.1511@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <291aemINN1ba@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 16:55:16 GMT In article <291aemINN1ba@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes: > > There are a few of things in Librarian in NS3.1 that seem > to be screwed up. The first and most important is that > I don't get a one line summary of the files, like I used to. > This makes looking things up in the FAQ, NeXTAnswers, NewsGrazer > folder, etc., very difficult to do. I NeXT's upgrades uses to have things not working which used to work before. You can get summary lines for librarian with a hack: - get 'ixbuild' from a 3.0 CD. - hack the binary (with emacs for exmple): change /usr/shlib/*** to /3.0/shlib/*** - link or copy the 3.0 shared libs to a newly created directory /3.0/**. - Now run the modified 'ixbuild -g' on the indexes. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <1993Oct10.233056.6951@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 10 Oct 93 23:30:56 PDT References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> It keeps going, and going, and going..... Well, still no luck. Thanks go out to numerous folks - I've gotten about 12 peices of mail on this problem with getting NSFIP installed, and still haven't solved the problem. As it turns out, the Adaptec 1542c is not being recognized, though it's on the right ID (7), and all of the settings are what are asked for in the Nextanswers article about the Adaptec cards - and all of the Bios settings for the MC series of Gateway 2000 motherboards are also set. I even removed every non-essential card in the cage - soundblaster, Sony 31A cd interface, and tape drive interface (going to can the last two as soon as I upgrade to SCSI items). The only cards left are the ATI Ultra Pro, Adaptec, and a Serial card with 16550s to replace Gateway's inferior 16450 VLSI/SMT chips (when will PC makers get a clue?) I have spent hours and hours on this, booting over and over again. I've seen the kernel load from floppy over 50 times, and will be working on it again tommorow, with a Next tech on the phone at the same time. =) If anyone has any more ideas, do pass them on. I'm willing to try almost anything if you think it may work. (I'm going to eliminate the serial card next, and use the onboards) Dane (done it all) Jasper ps. Thanks again folks..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) Subject: compatibility guide for black hware? Message-ID: <CEq5r9.3A0@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 08:47:32 GMT I thought I saw this somewhere, but now can't find it. Isn't there a compatibility guide for faxmodems, cd-roms, floppies, etc. for black NeXT hardware somewhere? Was it in the FAQ's? We don't seem to have the FAQ's for this group at the moment. Thanks, Ken
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <CEpxoo.MC3@research.canon.oz.au> Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <CDouBt.AvC@molly.uucp> <27nhcqINNmga@early-bird.think.com> <CE2ot9.526@queernet.org> <CE32wz.Cw6@kithrup.com> <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <2934ce$bhh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 05:53:11 GMT lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >The major problem with gcc is the 'new version every week'. ^^^^^^^ - Must be a typo for `advantage'... Otherwise, this is very, very silly. The release of a new version does not suddenly make your currently installed version stop working, so there is no disadvantage to you in the new version being out if you choose not to upgrade. regards, Graham -- Graham Stoney, Hardware/Software Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Ph: + 61 2 805 2909 Fax: + 61 2 805 2929
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU Subject: websterd Message-ID: <1993Oct11.144014.14526@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Keywords: webster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Distribution: unlimted Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 14:40:14 GMT Has anyone hacked websterd to work under 3.0+? Serge J. Goldstein
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Message-ID: <1993Oct11.155225.5592@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Oct8.093817.681@gamelan> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 15:52:25 GMT Thomas Funke writes > IBM's XLC (for AIX) used to generate wrong code, at least under > AIX3.1. I have been told that under AIX3.2 the optimizer does > also do wrong code generation. Bugs like this really cost time: > You won't believe that the fault is the compiler, rather than > your program. Well, actually... Some of it's because I've used so many pre-release compilers, but I've always got that little piece in my head every time I go after a strange bug that says "maybe it's a compiler bug". Saves me days sometimes - like the last compiler bug I found in the SPARCworks compiler... (IBM's compilers have been quite bad - I always get nervous when turning on the optimizer.) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: burton@pion (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital texts (LONG!) Date: 11 Oct 1993 16:03:09 GMT Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics Message-ID: <29c03t$bpi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Back in late 1991, I posted about a dozen interesting books, including the Qur'an, the Book of Mormon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, the Book of Hiawatha, and some Lewis Carroll, to the archive at Purdue. Some of the texts were in rather poor shape (raw scanned-in text), but since there was no central clearinghouse for such things on the net at that time, I thought it was worthwhile having a well-stocked Literature directory on the NeXT archive. Well, in the last two years the Gutenberg Project, the Internet Wiretap, and the Cleveland Freenet have all been hard at work, and as a result there are a lot of texts, mostly of decent quality, available here and there. Unfortunately, most of them are single flat files, which is not the optimal arrangement for Digital Librarian searches---the DL seems to bog down on single files more than about 200kB long---and none of them are RTF. The Gutenberg project likes minimalist ASCII, with all-caps for italics, -- for em-dashes, and " for open- and close-quotes. The Wiretap has a markup format that preserves this RTF information, but which is not easy to read from. The Cleveland project has a different, incompatible markup format, and the Oxford project's few PD texts are very professionally marked up with yet a third scheme. I really enjoy having beloved books in machine-readable form, for all the obvious reasons, but since I don't like reading vanilla ASCII, with or without the markup, I have devised a fairly complete set of sed scripts and by-hand heuristics for breaking up texts by chapters and RTF'ing them as they appear at the various sites. I've been spending a few hours a week on this for over two years now, and have accumulated about 48 MB of good NeXTish etext. NOT all of it is completely RTF'ed, and NOT all of it is spell-checked to my satisfaction, but all of it is broken into chapters, and ALL of it has been improved in some substantial way from the way I got it---at least a cursory spell-check and a machine-heuristic search for left- and right-quotes, but in many cases much more (small fonts for footnotes and in-text newspaper extracts, italics for foreign words, ligatures and diereses and accents---in a few cases such as Sherlock Holmes I've actually READ the books online, and have fixed every typo of any sort that I noticed). This trove of just under 100 books should be available to everyone who wants it. It may not be of general net interest, since there are a lot of people who can't handle RTF and prefer ASCII. But for those of us who can benefit, I think it represents substantial added value, and I would hate to think that others will duplicate the effort. I don't think that any of the freetext projects object to this sort of use of their texts, as long as they are still acknowledged and the texts remain freely available. My quandary: who will take the texts and give them a home on the Internet? I wrote to the chap who was in charge of the Purdue archive in 1991 last week, but he has not responded. So I'm making it an open offer to the net.world: I shall upload all my texts to any public FTP site that is willing to keep them for at least a few years, and to allow for expansion to at least 100 MB over that period if others choose to add more RTF texts to the pile. I'm on a standalone machine, so I'll have to do the upload by kermit at 14.4 kbps (a one-night job even with gzip), and I can't keep tens of megabytes of stuff on my university account for more than hours without bringing down the wrath of the sysop, so the texts must have a home ready to receive them before I do anything. I would love to put them on both Purdue and Oregon State, as well as some gopher-accessible site...but I haven't heard back from the archive managers. Is anyone out there? Does anyone want this stuff? Oh, two more things. (Sorry about the length of this post---I hope that the topic is of sufficient interest to justify the bandwidth.) First, I don't promise to maintain, improve, or do anything further with these texts; I improved them for my own amusement, working hardest on those I cherished, and I may continue to do so or I may decide to have nothing more to do with them. They're being offered as is, but with no further obligation. Second, I can _not_ honor private requests for particular texts; this has taken too much time away from my physics research already. If you want the texts, help me to find an archive that will take them. Here's the current list, for the curious: Almanac: a Latin grammar, the CIA World Fact Book (divided by countries), the 1990 census (ditto), State Dept. travel advisories for 170+ countries, the Big Book of Mischief, and world area code, US zipcode, and world airport code lists. Children: Aladdin, several Dr. Seuss books (these might not be PD, so I'll delete them if the archiver says so), Flatland, Grimm's Tales, Alice, Looking Glass, Snark, Peter Pan, and the Wizard of Oz. Classics: Aesop's Fables, the Oath of Hippocrates, Plato's Republic, the three Theban plays of Sophocles, and Vergil's Aeneid, all in English. Essays: Daedalus, by Haldane, two lectures by Einstein, Bierce's Devil's Dictionary, Descartes' Discourse on the Method, Fred Douglass's autobiography, Darwin's Origin of Species and Beagle log, Thoreau's Civil Disobedience plus extracts from Walden, Wollstonecraft's Vindication of the Rights of Woman, some snips from the Kama Sutra, and 16 assorted essays by Twain, all from his last decade. Government: Articles of Confederation, Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Mayflower Compact, Federalist Papers, 16 assorted great speeches, the Communist Manifesto, the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the PLO Covenant, the Magna Carta, the UN Charter, and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen. Hacker Jargon: both the current 3.0.0 file and the venerable 1.0 JARGON. Novels: Christmas_Carol and two stories by Dickens, Stoker's Dracula, E.R.Burrough's Gods_of_Mars, Princess_Of_Mars, and Tarzan, H.G.Wells's Invisible_Man, Time_Machine, and War_of_the_Worlds, London's Call_of_ the_Wild, Sea-Wolf, and White_Fang, Austen's Pride_&_Prejudice and Sense_&_Sensibility, Verne's two moon books, Kipling's Jungle_Book, Conrad's Heart_of_Darkness, Lord_Jim, and Secret_Sharer, Hardy's Far_ From_the_Madding_Crowd, Twain's Connecticut_Yankee, Huck_Finn, Tom_ Sawyer, and Tom_Sawyer_Abroad, Melville's Moby_Dick (a clean edition from the Oxford Text Archive, not the piece of scanned-in crap that I put on the archive in '91!), Hawthorne's Scarlet_Letter and House_ of_7_Gables, Bunyan's Pilgrim's_Progress, Crane's Red_Badge_of_Courage, Stevenson's Jekyll_&_Hyde and Kidnapped, Orczy's Scarlet_Pimpernel, Walter Scott's Ivanhoe, plus the Canongate and Keepsake tales, Emily Bronte's Wuthering_Heights, and Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Recipes: a 1.4 MB archive, in a man-pageish format that the DL can read. Scripture: The King James, the Qur'an, and the Book of Mormon. Tales: The complete Sherlock Holmes, 28 of Poe's best short stories, the Gift of the Magi, the Legend of Sleepy Hollow, and 23 Jack London stories, about equally divided between Klondike and South Pacific. Verse: complete Sandburg and Crane, lots of Dickinson, Robinson, and Millay, Hiawatha and three more by Longfellow, a few each by Poe, Frost, Auden, and Whitman, the complete Bob Dylan lyrics; from across the lake, Beowulf in the Dryden translation, the Canterbury Tales, Marlowe's Faustus, Milton's Paradise Lost and Regained, complete Marvell, Keats, and Yeats, the Rubaiyat, Prufrock, five by Kipling, and a few each by Housman, Tennyson, Shelley, Sassoon, Blake, Wordsworth and Wilfred Owen. Some modern verse as well. Oh, and did I mention that I have good icons for a lot of this stuff? `You mentioned your name, as if I should recognize it, +----------------------+ but I assure you that, beyond the obvious facts that | Joshua W. Burton | you are a bachelor, a solicitor, a Freemason, and an | (401)435-6370 | asthmatic, I know nothing whatever about you.' | burton@het.brown.edu | -- Sherlock Holmes +----------------------+
From: neil@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (John Neil) Newsgroups: rec.games.go,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Maintenance release of NeXTGo available Date: 11 Oct 1993 09:22:28 -0700 Message-ID: <29c184$l11@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> References: <297ald$q7m@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> Keywords: nextgo, igs, release neil@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (John Neil) writes: >I have placed NeXTGo version 2.5 available for anonymous ftp from ><ftp.mth.pdx.edu> in the /pub/go directory. You can retrieve it from >there. This is a maintenance release which is intended to just cover >changes in the IGS which made 2.3 obsolete. Those who wish to recompile >it under NS3.0 should experience no major difficulties. The binary >present was compiled under NS2.1 (since that's all I have). If you >experience any difficulties with this version, please let me know. >--John Neil >-- >John Neil e-mail: neil@math.mth.pdx.edu >Director of Computer Labs and UNIX System Administrator >Portland State University Mathematics Department >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Oops. I forgot to include two patches to make it fully compatible with the new IGS. Below is the diff file for those who wish to patch it themselves. The re-compiled file is available from <ftp.mth.pdx.edu> in the /pub/go directory as version 2.5.1. I will, in all likelihood, upload this to <bsdserver.ucsf.edu> after a few people verify for me that this indeed is up to date with the server changes. --John To apply this patch, place this file in the NeXTGo directory and enter patch -s < ThisFile If you wish to see patch at work, omit the -s option. diff ./GoApp.m orig/GoApp.m 21c21 < #define CURRENT_VERSION "Version 2.5.1" --- > #define CURRENT_VERSION "Version 2.5" diff ./igsparse.c orig/igsparse.c 360c360 < char *br, *wr, blackrank[10], whiterank[10], byo, obcount; --- > char *br, *wr, blackrank[10], whiterank[10]; 375c375 < fieldcount = sscanf(str, "[%3d!%12s [%[^!]! vs.%12s [%[^!]! (%3d %d %d %f %d%*c%*c%*c) ( %d)\n", --- > fieldcount = sscanf(str, "[%3d!%12s [%[^!]! vs.%12s [%[^!]! (%3d %d %d %f)\n", 384,386c384 < &(mesg->gamelist[mesg->gamecount].komi), < &byo, < &obcount); --- > &(mesg->gamelist[mesg->gamecount].komi)); 401c399 < if (fieldcount == 11) --- > if (fieldcount == 9) 541c539 < sscanf(s, "Game %d %*c: %*[^(](%d %d %d) vs %*[^(](%d %d %d)", --- > sscanf(s, "Game %d: %*[^(](%d %d %d) vs %*[^(](%d %d %d)", -- John Neil e-mail: neil@math.mth.pdx.edu Director of Computer Labs and UNIX System Administrator Portland State University Mathematics Department =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Must have apps? Message-ID: <55226@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Oct 93 17:13:55 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: na Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Hi, I think that there are a few FREE apps which fall in a "must-have" category. These would include the program which decompresses .Z files by clicking on them and the program which manages tar files. Are there others? I just discovered slap (was term). Please e-mail me. I will post a summary if someone asks me to. Thanks, Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: pdinda+@cs.cmu.edu (Peter A Dinda) Subject: Macintosh File Sytems on Foreign Platforms? Message-ID: <CEqtqo.4AB.3@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 17:25:35 GMT I am looking for information on how Macintosh File Systems are handled on foreign systems, both in the context of the foreign operating system, and in the context of a macintosh emulator. Specifically: - Is it useful to permit modification of the resource fork on the foreign system? Finder Info in the catalog? - On a Mac emulator like in POWER-Open, or Executer on Next, are macintosh file systems usually emulated inside a foreign system file, or do these emulators support mounting macintosh partitions and volumes? If the latter, is the mounted volume also visible to the foreign system? - Do any "read a Mac HD Disk" utilities exist for Unix or Mach? If so, do they preserve the resource fork and finder info? - Is the Mac Operating System's File Manager re-enterant? Can it work on several outstanding requests? Can a disk request on the mac initiate a context switch? - I assume that the Mac OS does not do write buffering on floppies - am I right? - How much integrity checking does the Mac OS do when mounting a volume? Please mail pdinda@cs.cmu.edu. If there is sufficient interest, I will post a summary. Peter A. Dinda
From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting graphic file format?! Date: 11 Oct 1993 17:56:55 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <29c6p7$6e1@nwfocus.wa.com> I have a Corel Draw file (.cdr) that I need to convert to TIFF or EPS. Does anybody know if there is an app to do this? The guy I got the file from copied a TIFF and an EPS from the .cdr but they both give me error messages when viewing. They don't print at all. IF anybody knows please drop me a line. Thanks, dean -- NeXTmail Please | More computer stuff! | dean@thrall.com | - My wife |
Newsgroups: compsys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: thor@sushi.uib.no Subject: WANTED: Printer suggestions for cube Message-ID: <1993Oct11.191229.1428@alf.uib.no> Keywords: printer, next, cube, postscript Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 19:12:29 GMT Hi. Funny thing - I mistakenly deleted the messages I received regarding third party printers. I would like to hear other netters experiences/suggestions for using third party printers, with or without PS (of course they have to be supported in some way!) I have a NeXT cube, 3.0J (soon 3.1, I hope), and would like to find an inexpensive solution to my problem (problem: I don't have a printer, I'm getting tired of going to the University and waiting in line to print two pages, or a private letter, and I can't take advantage of the many megabytes of nice fonts (kanji too!) on my NeXT without a printer attached.) Please also describe the quality of the printout relative to NeXT's 400dpi printer (a familiar reference for most :-) Speed isn't so important for me, as my cube sits at home. Please e-mail replies. Regards, --- Thor Legvold | "This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known..." University of Bergen | -Jim Morrison, The Doors NORWAY | edmtl@edb.uib.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ggerard@Alex.Engr.Trinity.Edu (Greg Gerard) Subject: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Message-ID: <1993Oct11.195029.19091@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Trinity University, San Antonio TX. USA References: <29c6p7$6e1@nwfocus.wa.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 19:50:29 GMT Is there a way to look up a word in Webster from the command line (this would not include open Webster.app!!!)? Would be nice if I could call up the schools NS/i machine and get a def real quick. thanks, greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) Subject: [Fax]Modems Message-ID: <Z04HBB6K@math.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: As little as I can get away with... Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 22:10:27 GMT My usual nntp server has been down for the past couple of days, so I missed much of the discussion re: modem recommendations. If you can recommend a particular modem, please e-mail me. Does anyone have experience with the $99 Linelink modem from MacWarehouse? -- kc
From: heading@signal.dra.hmg.gb (Anthony J.R. Heading) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GNU Make Date: 11 Oct 1993 22:16:44 GMT Organization: Defence Research Agency Message-ID: <29cm0cINNdm9@signal.dra.hmg.gb> I guess this may have been asked before, but has GNU Make been sorted so it behaves the same as /bin/make, and knows about objc files and so on? Anthony
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Title Bar of Terminal Windows Date: 11 Oct 1993 23:11:21 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <29cp6p$72@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <CEMqHz.AE3@eunet.ch> Here is how I do it with "zsh" and "Stuart", both highly recommended. Stuart is shareware. In .zshrc: function chpwd { echo -n "^[]3;$PWD:t^G" } alias agsm='echo -n "^[]3;AGSM^G"; rlogin agsm.ucla.edu -l iwelch ; chpwd' Typing "agsm" to a zsh will login and change the printed working directory on the Stuart window. /ivo Goetz von Escher (Goetz.von-Escher@open.ch) wrote: : Question to Terminal.app: : Is it possible to modify the text in the title bar of a window from the : shell? For example it would be nice to automatically display the hostname : when logging in to a remote host. : -- : Goetz von Escher email: goetz@open.ch : Open Systems AG voice: +41 (61) 262-0505 : Basel, Switzerland FAX: +41 (61) 262-0510 -- Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) Subject: Using NXFax with alternative modems Message-ID: <CErAAL.C1p@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 23:23:08 GMT Does anyone have experience using NSFax (sending/receiving faxes/data and uucp) with high-speed modems other than the ones they advertise them with? I'm looking for the cheapest 9600-baud faxmodem for use with NXFax. The ones B&W sell are not cheap. Please let me know any success stories/problems. Thanks, Ken (kenw@well.sf.ca.us)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <1993Oct11.162206.6963@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 11 Oct 93 16:22:05 PDT References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct10.233056.6951@nic.csu.net> Dane Jasper (djasper@odie.santarosa.edu) wrote: : It keeps going, and going, and going..... Well, I've elimited the serial card, leaving me with only two cards in the cage - the Adaptec 1542c and the ATI Ultra Pro. I have also downgraded to Gateway's last flash bios - they made some changes, and I thought that might affect things. Still no luck. Next says that they will call me back in a 'day or so', and we will have to see what happens. I got mail from someone else with an identical problem - 1542(b?) card, card and drives not recognized. If anyone has any more ideas, do let me know. I'm temped to switch - I already successfuly installed both Unixware and Linux/LGX on this machine using this SCSI card/drive combina- tion, and am somewhat tempted to keep Unixware on the drive - that's what's on there now.. If I do decide to go this route, Next's name will be mud by that time. (They already want to charge me for INSTALLATION assistance - and I would have thought that since this was their only remaining product, they'd like to see it on happy users desks, but nooooo.... they'd rather have $115 per hour... They did agree to give me a complimentary service call...) So if anyone has more ideas, I'm quite willing to try them - system currently is configured as follows: Gateway 2000 486/66dx2Vesa (MC motherboard, circa January) Phoenix Bios - 0.10 GLB05 Bios shadowing diabled (per nextanswers for Gateway) 16 megs of ram (1 simm) 256K cache Adaptec 1542c SCSI controler (works under three other operating systems) Maxtor 1240s 1.2gig drive (Unixware installed right now.. =) Toshiba XM-3401TA SCSI CD-ROM (I've tried a 3301TA drive as well) Adaptec is SCSI ID 7, Maxtor is 0, and Toshiba is 1. I have tried various other combinations of IDs and strange termination. ATI Ultra Pro, with 2 megs of ram. Adaptec is Int 11, dma 5, all settings per Nextanswers for Adaptec. Western Digital Caviar 340 IDE drive, diabled per Next install guide. There are no other cards or drives or anything in this machine - I've striped it down to video and SCSI only - there was a SB, Tape, and CD and serial cards - removing them made no difference.. Ideas??? (Pending callback from Next, soon I would hope) Thanks.. Dane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: 3.5" 128M MO / 21M Floptical on NeXT(black) Message-ID: <1993Oct11.235246.8360@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 23:52:46 GMT HI, Is there anyone have a 128M MO (Fujitsu DynaMO) and/or a 21M Floptical on NeXT(Black)? Is it plug and play? or it doesn't work at all. Please let me know if you have any comments. Andy
From: mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Must have apps? Date: 11 Oct 1993 23:51:57 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <29crit$ng2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <55226@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> In article <55226@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > I think that there are a few FREE apps which fall in > a "must-have" category. These would include > the program which decompresses .Z files by clicking > on them and the program which manages tar files. Maybe you're not aware of this but the ability to manage .tar and .Z files is built into NS 3.X. All you have to do is double click a .tar.Z file and the Contents Inspector will open up with a button for Decompress. Once the .Z has been undone you reselect the file and un .tar it the same way. Creating .tar.Z files is just as easy, select the folder or file you wish to archive and pull down <File> <Compress> to create a .compressed archive which is identical to a tar.Z archive (so you can rename it as such to prevent confusion). -- ========================================================================= Alex Currier | I get no kick from champagne... mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all NeXTmail capable! | but I get a kick out of UNIX. =========================================================================
From: ccwf@gg.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix) Date: 12 Oct 1993 00:20:39 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <29ct8nINN460@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Oct8.093817.681@gamelan> thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) writes: #IBM's XLC (for AIX) used to generate wrong code, at least under AIX3.1. I #have been told that under AIX3.2 the optimizer does also do wrong code #generation. Bugs like this really cost time: You won't believe that the #fault is the compiler, rather than your program. #Result: GCC makes life easier :-) GCC has bugs too. Developers should keep an eye on the bug reports in the GNU newsgroups as well as bug reports here. I think the biggest (an entirely subjective term) bug with the compiler shipped by NeXT with 3.1 is the '-O4 -finline-functions' can cause huge, slow, executables bug. -ccwf
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Date: 11 Oct 93 23:07:14 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Oct11230714@nic.gac.edu> References: <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu> In-reply-to: program@oingo.umn.edu's message of Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:30:40 GMT In article <CEnFv4.MDK@news.cis.umn.edu>, program@oingo.umn.edu (Jim's Programming Account) writes: >Anyone DL'd the chimes package that is supposed to make your NeXT >into a grandfather clock?? I got it but nothing chimes when the hour >changes. here is a copy of my crontab file:: Well, since there seems to be general interest, here's a program I wrote long ago in response to the original hourly program. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work under NS3.1, since playscore is no longer around that I can see. Not that I care (I never even noticed that it wasn't working anymore until this thread). Perhaps someone smarter than I knows how to fix that and will post the information here (_don't_ post it to me, as noted, I don't really care :-). Read the directions below to see how to unshar this (NewsGrazer probably has some automagic something that will do it for you). #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive, meaning: # 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line. # 2. Save the resulting text in a file. # 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create the files: # chime.c # This archive created: Mon Oct 11 23:02:29 1993 export PATH; PATH=/bin:$PATH echo shar: extracting "'chime.c'" '(6383 characters)' if test -f 'chime.c' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'chime.c'" else sed 's/^X//' << \SHAR_EOF > 'chime.c' X/* File: chime.c X * X * Use playscore to generate a number of chime sounds, as a X * grandfather clock (or some wall clocks) would do. This program X * was inspired by a similar program called hourly by Malcolm Sanders X * (mms@aretha.jax.org). In fact, the skeletal scorefile used in X * bong() is directly from the scorefiles used in hourly. X * X * To compile: X * X * cc -O -g -object -o chime -s chime.c X * X * Perhaps toss in a -pipe flag if you've got alot of memory (doesn't X * affect the program, just lets cc compile faster sometimes - as if X * it makes a difference here :-). The -object and -s flags make X * sure the executable is pretty small. Small is good in this case. X * X * Usage: X * chime [-a amp] [-c count] [-n note] [-r rest] X * X * The amplitude (amp) is a floating point number which specifies X * the fraction of the real amplitude (as set by the sound X * level keys on the keyboard, for instance) which chime plays X * at. Default is 0.2. X * The count is the number of chimes to generate. If count is not X * specified, the number of chimes is dependant on the time. X * If the current time is within five minutes of the hour, X * then the number of chimes is the hour mod 12. At all other X * times, a single chime is generated. X * The note is specified in terms of how playscore expects it. I X * don't know! Malcolm's original program used d6 (I assume X * that's a d in the sixth octave). I like c3 much better - X * it's got a more "Big Bennish" sound to it. X * The pause time between chimes is specified by rest, which should X * be a floating point number. Malcolm's default was .75, X * mine is 1.5. X * X * Suggested usage: Place chimes in crontab.local so that it goes X * off all of the time and lets you know that even though you are X * absorbed in your work, time still passes. There are a couple X * alternatives. Assuming chime is placed in /usr/local/bin: X * X * 00 * * * * root /usr/local/bin/chime X * X * rings in the hour every hour. On the other hand: X * X * 00,15,30,45 * * * * root /usr/local/bin/chime X * X * rings in the hour every hour, and also chimes once every 15 X * minutes. Like some of those annoying wristwatches - expect chime's X * beep has _authority_. If you like, play around with the source X * (or crontab.local) to make sure that chime doesn't chime at X * unreasonable hours (like 10am for me :-). X * X * In any case, chime _must_ run as root. Otherwise, chime cannot X * access the DPS unless the user in question has set Public Sound X * Server on in Preferences. Of course, that might be an advantage X * in some situations ... X * X * Copyright 1992, Scott Hess. This source code may be redistributed X * and modified without restriction, though I would appreciate it X * if you leave this notice alone. X * X * scott hess X * scott@gac.edu X * shess@ssesco.com X * January 4, 1992 X */ X#import <stdio.h> X#import <libc.h> X Xint bong( int bongs, float amp, const char *note, float rest) X{ X char template[ 64]="/tmp/.bongXXXXXX"; X char buf[ 64]; X FILE *f; X float cur=rest; X int cpid; X X /* Grab a unique temporary filename. */ X mktemp( template); X /* Append the .score, else playscore can't find it. */ X strcat( template, ".score"); X /* Open the file. If we can't, return right away. */ X f=fopen( template, "w"); X if( f==NULL) { X return -1; X } X /* Print some stuff to set up the bell note for playscore. */ X fprintf( f, X "part bell; bell synthPatch:\"Fm1i\" synthPatchCount:9;" X "envelope ampFun = [(0,0)(.005,1)(1,1)(6,0)|(14,0.0)(15,0)];" X "envelope freqFun = [(0,1)(.005,1.06)(.01,1)(10,1)|(14,.9,2)];" X "envelope indxFun = [(0,2)(.005,1)(10,0,.3)|(14,0.0)];" X "waveTable wave1 = [{1,1}{3,.1}];" X "BEGIN;" X "bell (noteUpdate) waveform:wave1 m1Ratio:3.4" X " m1Ind1:.4 amp:%f ampEnv:ampFun freqEnv:freqFun m1IndEnv:indxFun;" X "t .001;", amp); X /* For each bong, append a line to do the bong, and then X * a line to pause until the next one. X */ X while( bongs--) { X fprintf( f, "bell (4.1) freq:%s bearing:45;", note); X fprintf( f, "t %f;", cur); X cur+=rest; X } X /* Add the end line and close it up. */ X fprintf( f, "END;"); X fclose( f); X /* Fork and run playscore as our child. */ X if( !(cpid=vfork())) { X execl( "/usr/bin/playscore", "playscore", "-fq", template, NULL); X perror( "calling playscore"); X exit( 0); X } X /* Wait for playscore to finish. */ X wait4( cpid, NULL, 0, NULL); X /* Right now, people are asking "Why didn't he just use X * system(3)? Well, there's no good reason. I tried that, X * and I tried this, and I figured when it came right down to X * it, this method was more "interesting". After all, system(3) X * is trivial to use. That's why most people use it. While X * what I did is slightly harder, it does illustrate how one X * could write system(3) in a couple lines on a NeXT. X * X * Besides, I really like the wait4(2) kernel function. X */ X X /* Unlink the temporary file. */ X unlink( template); X} Xvoid main( int argc, char **argv) X{ X /* Grab the time right away. */ X int t=time( (void *)0); X struct tm *tm=localtime( (void *)&t); X int c; X /* Initialize our defaults. */ X const char *note="c3"; X float rest=1.5; X int chimes=-1; /* -1 == not initialized. */ X float amp=0.2; X X /* From the explaination of why I didn't use system(3) X * above, I'm sure you're expecting me to parse out the X * command-line options by hand. NOT! Here, I'll use getopt(3) X * because too many people don't know how to use it/that it X * exists, so every example's a help. X */ X while( (c=getopt( argc, argv, "n:r:c:a:"))!=EOF) { X switch( c) { X case 'n' : X note=optarg; X break; X case 'r' : X rest=atof( optarg); X if( rest==0.0) { X rest=1.5; X } X break; X case 'c' : X chimes=atoi( optarg); X if( chimes==0) { X chimes=1; X } X break; X case 'a' : X amp=atof( optarg); X if( amp==0.0) { X amp=0.2; X } X break; X } X } X /* If we didn't get a number of chimes to do, generate one. */ X if( chimes==-1) { X if( tm->tm_min<5) { X chimes=(tm->tm_hour)%12; X } else if( tm->tm_min>=55) { X chimes=(tm->tm_hour+1)%12; /* Move forward to the _next_ hour. */ X } else { X chimes=1; X } X if( chimes==0) { X chimes=12; X } X } X /* Off we go to chime away. */ X bong( chimes, amp, note, rest); X} SHAR_EOF if test 6383 -ne "`wc -c < 'chime.c'`" then echo shar: error transmitting "'chime.c'" '(should have been 6383 characters)' fi fi # end of overwriting check # End of shell archive exit 0 Later, -- scott hess <scott@nic.gac.edu> <I can handle NeXTMail, but don't like it> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime! <C++: ... One Language to bring them all and in the darkness bind them> <In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: mouseX problem - mouse key doesn't work. Message-ID: <1993Oct12.042350.8669@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 04:23:50 GMT Hi, I have just install the mouseX from cs.orst.edu. Runs fine but if I escape back to NeXTSTEP with the hot key (command-command-delete) and resume the X again. The mouse no longer works....... Anyone have the same problem? Anyway to get around? Andy
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 12 Oct 1993 00:34:31 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <29dc4k$1qd@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe -------------------------------------------------------------------- Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Message-ID: <1993Oct12.090222.28586@husc14.harvard.edu> From: sali@tamika.harvard.edu (Andrej Sali) Date: 12 Oct 93 09:02:22 EDT References: <1993Oct11.195029.19091@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> In article <1993Oct11.195029.19091@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> writes: > Is there a way to look up a word in Webster from the command line (this would > not include open Webster.app!!!)? Would be nice if I could call up the schools > NS/i machine and get a def real quick. > > thanks, > greg Try define, which you can find on sonata.cc.purdue.edu (128.210.15.30), in /pub/next/2.0-release/source/define2.0.tar.Z. Andrej
From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Date: 12 Oct 1993 14:04:47 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- InterNetNews site Distribution: world Message-ID: <29edhv$636@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <1993Oct12.090222.28586@husc14.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <1993Oct12.090222.28586@husc14.harvard.edu> writes: > In article <1993Oct11.195029.19091@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> writes: > > Is there a way to look up a word in Webster from the command line (this > would > > not include open Webster.app!!!)? Would be nice if I could call up the > schools > > NS/i machine and get a def real quick. > > > > thanks, > > greg > > Try define, which you can find on sonata.cc.purdue.edu > (128.210.15.30), in /pub/next/2.0-release/source/define2.0.tar.Z. > > Andrej As far as I know, this ceased to work under 3.0 and later, because the format of the dictionary changed. You have to install the OLD dictionary to make it work. Personally, I think a command-line "define" should be part of the standard NeXT distribution. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: number_one.apana.org.au (Nicole Kaiyan) Subject: Circuit to connect Dell DG/X 486 computer system to NeXT MegaPixel Color Display Message-ID: <CEqJ11.2A9@number_one.apana.org.au> Keywords: Dell Jaws VGA MegaPixel Color Sender: nicolek@number_one.apana.org.au (Nicole Kaiyan) Organization: Cafe Seacombe - the Virtual NeXTSTEP Cafe Downunder. Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 13:34:13 GMT I have finally finished getting all the information together to complete the circuit diagram for connecting a Dell DG/X 486 system to the NeXT MegaPixel Color Display. If you would like a copy of the circuit diagram then please email one of the accounts below, I shall then email you the PostScript file. If you have any queries please email me back and I shall attempt to answer your question. Since this is a NeXT MegaPixel Color display to what is essentially a standard VGA connector, it may indeed work with other video adaptors on 486 systems. Perhaps someone would like to try this out and relay their discoveries to the Internet. Regards Nicole ___________________________________________________________________________ Nicole Kaiyan Email: nicolek@number_one.apana.org.au nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au Computer Science Department nk@jupiter.cs.swin.oz.au Swinburne University of Technology nkaiyan@farben.latrobe.edu.au Hawthorn 3122 AUSTRALIA (NeXTmail welcome) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Nicole Kaiyan Email: nicolek@number_one.apana.org.au nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au Computer Science Department nk@jupiter.cs.swin.oz.au
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recommendations for purchasing Gateway Date: 12 Oct 1993 14:58:05 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <29eglt$ll6@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Oct5.041911.25447@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Oct5.041911.25447@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: #Scott Violet writes #> Well, I know that this topic has been hotly debated #> lately. But could someone that has ordered a Gateway in #> the past couple of weeks please tell me what hardware I need to #> request to be able to install NSI on it. I've heard the CD is #> useless, is this true? What SCSI card should I ask for? Do the #> newer ATI Ultra Star graphics cards work alright? Any suggestions #> would be great as I order tomorrow. # #DON'T. New gateways DO NOT repeat NOT work with NeXTSTEP. # Really? Are you sure of this? We just received 16 New Gateway2000 4DX2-66V ISA boxes and after installing a jumper on W7 (It is still in the same place, people), NEXTSTEP 3.1 works great. And with the new ATI drivers from NeXT, things are even better.... Btw, these machines were manufactured on Oct 10, 1993. #From a previous post: #> IF YOU WANT TO RUN NEXTSTEP, DO NOT BUY GATEWAY 2000! #> Unfortunately, the newest Gateway Machines are NOT #> compatible with NeXTSTEP. Apparently, Micronics (the #> motherboard manufacturer) removed support for PS/2 keyboard #> and mouse emulation (???) from the chip set in their newest #> motherboard release. Without this, NeXTSTEP will not work. #> There is no work around and Micronics has refused to work #> with NeXT on this issue. Therefore, this is an unsolvable #> problem. # #> I have just spent the last two days trying to install NS on #> a new Gateway 2000 66V without success. After extensive #> talks with both Gateway and NeXT, I am sending the machine back. # #-- #- #Stefano Pagiola #Food Research Institute, Stanford University #spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) #spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <CEsKCF.2q9@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct10.233056.6951@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct11.162206.6963@nic.csu.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 15:57:50 GMT In article <1993Oct11.162206.6963@nic.csu.net> djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) writes: Have you tried setting the SCSI ID of the CD-ROM to 6. This is what worked for us with a Toshiba/DPT2022 combo. CDROM at 1 always failed. at 6 we tried sd1 and sd6 as the targets when asked what to boot from. One of them worked flawlessly. (I cannot remember which one) good luck. -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Fax: (617) 863-8575 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) Voice: (617) 861-5579 NeXTMail O.K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schweber!mono (Matthias Weber) Subject: Re: Converting graphic file format?! Message-ID: <1993Oct12.100229.622@schweber.rhein-main.de> Sender: mono@schweber.rhein-main.de Organization: Schweber und ... References: <29c6p7$6e1@nwfocus.wa.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 10:02:29 GMT In article <29c6p7$6e1@nwfocus.wa.com> dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) writes: > > I have a Corel Draw file (.cdr) that I need to convert to TIFF or EPS. Does > anybody know if there is an app to do this? The guy I got the file from copied > a TIFF and an EPS from the .cdr but they both give me error messages when > viewing. They don't print at all. IF anybody knows please drop me a line. > > Thanks, > > dean > > -- Just export the file as EPS _without_ Imageheader (in CorelDraw). If you got Topdraw on your NeXT import the file and export as EPS. Now any application will read and print this file. Try also export as Illustrator file .ai, make sure there are no grouped objects (CorelDraw), and place in Virtuoso (NeXT), you will see the file is fully editable! mono -- M O N O -> Matthias Weber -> mono@schweber.rhein-main.de <- try NeXT-mail Wielandstr. 17H > D-60318 Frankfurt > voice +49 69 5971815 > fax +49 69 5974204 -- M O N O -> Matthias Weber -> mono@schweber.rhein-main.de <- try NeXT-mail
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chung@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Chung Ng 310-524-6440) Subject: Re: Recommendations for purchasing Gateway Message-ID: <1993Oct12.200642.12031@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center) Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR. References: <1993Oct5.041911.25447@leland.Stanford.EDU> <29eglt$ll6@menudo.uh.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 20:06:42 GMT I called NeXT this morning over this issue and this is what I found. In article <29eglt$ll6@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: >In article <1993Oct5.041911.25447@leland.Stanford.EDU> >spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >#Scott Violet writes >#> Well, I know that this topic has been hotly debated >#> lately. But could someone that has ordered a Gateway in >#> the past couple of weeks please tell me what hardware I need to >#> request to be able to install NSI on it. I've heard the CD is >#> useless, is this true? What SCSI card should I ask for? Do the >#> newer ATI Ultra Star graphics cards work alright? Any suggestions >#> would be great as I order tomorrow. ># >#DON'T. New gateways DO NOT repeat NOT work with NeXTSTEP. The Mitsumi drive is not a SCSI drive (uses a proprietory interface) and will not work with NeXTSTEP. The downgrade for the drive is $155 (according to a GM2K rep that I spoke with yesterday). >Really? Are you sure of this? We just received 16 New Gateway2000 4DX2-66V >ISA boxes and after installing a jumper on W7 (It is still in the same >place, people), NEXTSTEP 3.1 works great. And with the new ATI drivers from >NeXT, things are even better.... Yes. Apparently, Micronics did refuse to work with NeXT at the beginning but changed their minds later. Putting a jumper on W7 *IS* the solution to the problem and NeXTSTEP should have no problem running on GM2K's 66V. >Btw, these machines were manufactured on Oct 10, 1993. > >#From a previous post: >#> IF YOU WANT TO RUN NEXTSTEP, DO NOT BUY GATEWAY 2000! >#> Unfortunately, the newest Gateway Machines are NOT >#> compatible with NeXTSTEP. Apparently, Micronics (the >#> motherboard manufacturer) removed support for PS/2 keyboard >#> and mouse emulation (???) from the chip set in their newest >#> motherboard release. Without this, NeXTSTEP will not work. >#> There is no work around and Micronics has refused to work >#> with NeXT on this issue. Therefore, this is an unsolvable >#> problem. Problem solved already. See above. >"Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime." Geez!!! Scary analogy. Chung Ng -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ . | _____ | ____ | Chung Ng | | | \ | | | | | | | NCR -- El Segundo | | | \ | | | | | -- | Chung.Ng@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com | | | \_| | |_____ | | \ | 310-524-6440 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 12 Oct 1993 20:45:43 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Message-ID: <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> WARNING: This is a blantant post for market research purposes. For about 2 years in my spare time, I have been working on a high end NeXTstep graphical game along the lines of high end games for other platforms. Recent announcements in the NeXT community have caused me to wonder if I am just wasting my time, or are people really interested in such a game in the range of $65? In addition, what distribution formats would be acceptable: CD-ROM, a tall stack of floppies, Internet with key access, etc. If you have any opinions or comments, please e-mail to michelle@meaddata.com Thanks for any input. Erik Buck DISCLAIMER: This is posted for my husband, Erik Buck, and has nothing to do with Mead Data Central. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michelle Buck michelle@meaddata.com or Mead Data Central ...!uunet!meaddata!michelle Dayton, OH "Do everything I say and I'll be your slave" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wucolin@popeye.CIS.McMaster.CA (Colin Wu) Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Message-ID: <1993Oct12.192751.10595@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. References: <1993Oct12.090222.28586@husc14.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 19:27:51 GMT In article <1993Oct12.090222.28586@husc14.harvard.edu> writes: >In article <1993Oct11.195029.19091@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> writes: >> Is there a way to look up a word in Webster from the command line (this >would >> not include open Webster.app!!!)? Would be nice if I could call up the >schools >> NS/i machine and get a def real quick. >> >> thanks, >> greg > >Try define, which you can find on sonata.cc.purdue.edu >(128.210.15.30), in /pub/next/2.0-release/source/define2.0.tar.Z. > >Andrej There was a perl program called 'webster' that was posted to one of the source groups a while back. The only thing is I don't think it can use the NeXT dictionary (at least I've never tried). Here's the README file: > ---- webster ---- > > DESCRIPTION: > This is a Webster client implemented in Perl. It allows > both a one-off interrogation of the webster database > or an interactive session. > > INSTALLATION: > Edit the first few lines of the Makefile and type > > make install install.man clean > > Each stage can be done separately. > > MANUAL: > The perl script is its own manual page. Read it using: > > nroff -man webster.p | less > > COPYRIGHT: > This code is freely available to whoever wants it. It can be > distributed to anyone, and can be modified. The author takes > no responsibilty for any errors in or caused by this code. > > Please retain my name and that of the Nottingham University > Mathematics Department on any bits taken from this code. We > reserve the copyright on this work. > > AUTHOR: > Anthony Iano-Fletcher, > Department of Mathematics, > University of Nottingham, > Nottingham, UK. > arf@maths.warwick.ac.uk > > If you can't find it via archie drop me a note and I'll mail it to you. -- __ _ _ Colin Wu / ) // ' ) / Network Analyst / __|/ o ____ / / / . . Computing & Information Services (__/ (_) \_<_/ / <_ (_(_/ (_/_ McMaster University email: wucolin@McMaster.CA (NeXTmail welcome) phone: (905)525-9140 ext 24050
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Date: 12 Oct 1993 21:14:36 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Distribution: usa Message-ID: <29f6ns$638@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <294mnl$qqs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> <1993Oct9.035602.3024@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> >this is the only way I know to enter control characters.....maybe stupid >but it works. Can emacs or Edit.app do this?? to enter control characters into emacs, use your quote key, or if you don't have a quote key ... use M-x quoted-insert luck jb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <1993Oct12.213640.3215@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 21:36:40 GMT Michelle Buck writes > WARNING: This is a blantant post for market research purposes. > > For about 2 years in my spare time, I have been working on a high > end NeXTstep graphical game along the lines of high end games > for other platforms. Recent announcements in the NeXT community > have caused me to wonder if I am just wasting my time, or are > people really interested in such a game in the range of $65? In > addition, what distribution formats would be acceptable: CD-ROM, > a tall stack of floppies, Internet with key access, etc. If you > have any opinions or comments, please e-mail to michelle@meaddata.com > Thanks for any input. I'd pay that much for a good flight simulator. CD-ROM or internet access would both be fine; floppy distribution would be OK as long as it doesn't go over, say 4 floppies max. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 12 Oct 1993 21:51:59 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <29f8tv$ge6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Oct12.213640.3215@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Oct12.213640.3215@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Michelle Buck writes > > WARNING: This is a blantant post for market research purposes. > > > > For about 2 years in my spare time, I have been working on a high > > end NeXTstep graphical game along the lines of high end games > > for other platforms. Recent announcements in the NeXT community > > have caused me to wonder if I am just wasting my time, or are > > people really interested in such a game in the range of $65? In > > addition, what distribution formats would be acceptable: CD-ROM, > > a tall stack of floppies, Internet with key access, etc. If you > > have any opinions or comments, please e-mail to > michelle@meaddata.com > > Thanks for any input. > > I'd pay that much for a good flight simulator. CD-ROM or internet > access would both be fine; floppy distribution would be OK as long as > it doesn't go over, say 4 floppies max. I'll second that. Prefer CD-ROM (Electronic AppWrapper?), Internet access. Ahead Warp Zillion!!! Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: [Fax]Modems Message-ID: <1993Oct12.174458.694@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <Z04HBB6K@math.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 17:44:58 GMT In article <Z04HBB6K@math.fu-berlin.de> deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) writes: | | My usual nntp server has been down for the past couple of days, so I missed | much of the discussion re: modem recommendations. If you can recommend a | particular modem, please e-mail me. | | Does anyone have experience with the $99 Linelink modem from MacWarehouse? | | -- kc I think that it is the first time that someone mentions the new very cheap modem. This is the specifications faxed to me by MacWarehouse (800-648-1922, Fax: 908-901-1037) LineLink 144e - High Speed modem for the Macintosh US $ 99 from MacWarehouse V32 and V32bis (9600, 14400 bps) other usual speeds supported in both Bell and CCITT mode. Error Correction: MNP4 and V42 Compression: MNP5 and V42bis Someone in Netherland ordered it and it seems to work fine outside USA. Most messages from USA location seem to say that modem is OK except few modems were defective on arrival and needed to be returned to MacWarehouse for replacement. If you live outside the USA, insist that a technician double check the modem before it is sent to you because the clearing custom process in both way is time and money consumming. The modem is "plug and play" on the Mac but the cable provided works only with NeXT 68030. You should make you own cable to work in hardware handshake (mandatory at speeds higher than 2400 bps). The modem supports FAX but I don't think there is now a NeXT driver capable to support it. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <1993Oct12.233300.6195@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 23:33:00 GMT In article <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes: > WARNING: This is a blantant post for market research purposes. > > For about 2 years in my spare time, I have been working on a high end NeXTstep > graphical game along the lines of high end games for other platforms. No, no definitely not. We would all end up never using it, we're all far, far too busy building and running those mission critical apps. :) :) YES! What type of game is it? -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: SLIP and dialup availability Message-ID: <1993Oct12.231819.9783@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 23:18:19 GMT Can anyone tell me if this is possible? I have a NeXTStation with NeXTStep 3.0 (soon to be 3.1) and I have a 9600 baud modem available to it. What I would like to do is attach the modem to the NeXT, then be able to dial up from home and connect into the NeXT and have multiple session and such. Is this possible? Can SLIP do this? ie, could I run a SLIP protocol from home over a dialup line and connect directly to my NeXT? Any and all replies will be most welcomed!!!! Thanks! John -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: basiji@stein1.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 13 Oct 1993 01:27:28 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <29fli0$hp2@news.u.washington.edu> References: <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> <1993Oct12.233300.6195@xexos.com> I'm in. CDROM. David Basiji UW Bioengineering
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Motif for X found on Big Green CD Message-ID: <1993Oct13.015955.28627@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 01:59:55 GMT This is probably a FAQ, but I'm just wondering if there's a public-domain version of Motif that will work with X as distributed on BGCD. There is an olwm on there, and I think twm too, but no mwm. I'd like to do some X-programming at home, but my agency only works with Motif. Thanks in advance for the info. Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Format of .addresses Message-ID: <CEtCL4.G8D@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 02:07:51 GMT Can someone point me to where .addresses files are documented? Thanks, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: :: boy, don't we all look _smashing_ in red. ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? References: <29edhv$636@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 00:29:58 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Oct13.002958.19320@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Robert F. Cahalan writes As far as I know, this ceased to work under 3.0 and later, because the format of the dictionary changed. You have to install the OLD dictionary to make it work. Personally, I think a command-line "define" should be part of the standard NeXT distribution. There's a tool called puppet on the archives which will do this for you. It fakes the user interface on your behalf, for example, when you are dialing in to your office machine from a vt100 terminal. It works. --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]B
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) Subject: Re: Motif for X found on Big Green CD References: <1993Oct13.015955.28627@selway.umt.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 06:11:35 GMT Organization: The home of the Pilhuhn Sender: news@pilhuhn.sub.org (Das Newssystem auf pilhuhn) Message-ID: <CEtnvC.467@pilhuhn.sub.org> In article <1993Oct13.015955.28627@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: > > This is probably a FAQ, but I'm just wondering if there's a > public-domain version of Motif that will work with X as distributed > on BGCD. There is an olwm on there, and I think twm too, but no mwm. > I'd like to do some X-programming at home, but my agency only works > with Motif. Thanks in advance for the info. > > Rich Motif is a commercial product and not available in the public domain. -- Jochen Richter Phone +49-721-696922 Zahringerstrasse 57 Fax +49-721-696988 D-76133 Karlsruhe e-mail: jr@sade.ka.sub.org Germany jr@resy.kfk.de (>50K)
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Motif for X found on Big Green CD Date: 13 Oct 1993 07:18:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <29ga50$of7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Oct13.015955.28627@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: > This is probably a FAQ, but I'm just wondering if there's a >public-domain version of Motif that will work with X as distributed Motif and the Motif libraries are commercial. Many sites, especially educational institutions, already have site licenses. Check with your computing center. (for instance, we have a full license to all Motif source code at UIUC paid for by our computing office) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jonathan@nova.decio.nd.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw) Subject: Re: Using mail from NeXT to Novell NetWare Message-ID: <1993Oct13.074305.28251@news.nd.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <28pu8c$mt1@nova.umd.edu> <CEE5J2.1Bs@cd.com> <28sf5j$otr@mwnext.metaworks.de> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 07:43:05 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On our campus we have a POP server serving the entire campus and all users have NUPOP/Eudora applications on the novell fileservers to access their mail on the ND.EDU server. For Novell users, however, there is no way to know when new mail comes in on the ND.EDU server (Mac people have eudora in the background polling) so I thought writing a program on the NeXT OS 3.0 to check for mail on the popserver and then sending out a message to the user on the novell network would be a nice solution. Before I start on this, I'd like to know if there is a better way or if someone else has been working on this idea. I'd really like as seamless a solution as possible given that all mail will ALWAYS be sent from/to ND.EDU and the university is committed to POPmail (or till I find enough clients to get IMAP installed too) Thanks. - -- Jonathan Bradshaw | Preferred E-Mail is: Jonathan.Bradshaw@nd.edu | Ham N9OXE WNDU-AM/FM/TV South Bend IN | Opinions stated are mine and not of my employer PGP 2.2 Key fingerprint is: EA 16 1B 5D 5D 94 6B 06 58 FD E6 E9 52 F3 6E 11 "If any girl rejects you, don't you doubt it's part of the .plan" - D. Gibson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBLLuxfFA1bhXvqhbrAQFZRwP/QqknhBlTpNNV2wxTe66PVW9fEX/a2CjB 8MM3J4+qdQy+LCfg7oSh7UshNqnm5hxnmbUHTiMxC+vM/NNJQHUJCb96N0RTcypj 4aFIRTQddbuL9VCgUcORhl58lHqrGipP99z5WBsgJlGngm6dUzUzZ2Nr4rQ4Ej8p lQ3IKcNxoB4= =8o6P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Message-ID: <1993Oct13.053236.3866@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <SCOTT.93Oct11230714@nic.gac.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 05:32:36 GMT Note that there exists an application from Mouthing Flowers that does chimes and more, and you don't have to muck around with crontab files. The app is called TimeFlies, and its available as a MAB on purdue and orst archives. I'm biased, of course since I work for Mouthing Flowers, but I like TimeFlies best for its alarms. But its nice to set the chime at the top of the hour to the bullfrog sound. When it repeats it reminds me of crickets chirping in the woods. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <1993Oct13.045525.10422@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <29fli0$hp2@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 04:55:25 GMT In article <29fli0$hp2@news.u.washington.edu> basiji@stein1.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes: > > I'm in. CDROM. Ditto! > David Basiji > UW Bioengineering > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "Le calembour est la fiente du mot qui vole." < > Victor Hugo <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) Subject: Re: Recommendations for purchasing Gateway Organization: Real Decisions Corporation Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 13:48:06 GMT Message-ID: <CEu907.781@rdcalr.realdec.com> References: <1993Oct5.041911.25447@leland.Stanford.EDU> <29eglt$ll6@menudo.uh.edu> <1993Oct12.200642.12031@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> My experiences were posted to this group in September. I repost them for the benefit of those following this thread: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- There has been some discussion about what Gateway configuration to buy, how to configure it, and how well it runs NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Below is my set of experiences, which I offer by way of example to show the various trials I faced, and hopefully to reduce those of others who follow. I do finish with a few QUESTIONS, which can be found under the heading QUESTIONS. If you know about Gateway 2000 systems and their vagaries, please see if there are any questions you can help with. MY SYSTEM: Recent Dx2/66V with 16MB memory, 256K cache 424MB IDE WD 'Pihrana' drive (for NS/FIP) 212MB IDE WD " " (for DOS/Windows) 1542C Adaptec SCSI Controller NEC CDR84i CD-ROM (SCSI)* ATI Ultra Pro Graphics Video card w/2MB Gateway 2000 "Telepath" Fax/Modem w/ much bundled DOS/Windows software * Do NOT get the Gateway CD-ROM as it will not work with NS/FIP. It is not SCSI. NextStep won't understand it and you will ultimately have to send it back and get frustrated. I have not yet used the modem as I await my phone line. I understand there are Serial driver problems with NS/FIP, so my phone line and the driver fix may come hand in hand. [Update: I have now used the modem with the bad serial driver, and does, in fact crash the system. I have yet to install the upgraded serial driver from ftp.next.com] I recommend that you get the NeXTAnswers index, and then the article about Gateway. This can be done by sending e-mail to nextanswers@next.com, subject INDEX ASCII. At the time it included no information about the currently shipping X30 Micronics motherboard, but has been updated to reflect the manufacturing shift within Gateway. If you are going to jump for a sound card, get the article from NextAnswers about the one you are interested in, as there are some serious problems with the popular sound cards. I am waiting for that to shake out, or someone to make a solid recommendation. ORDERING When I ordered, the Gateway salesperson I had knew nothing about NextStep, and that was fine with me. I'm a do-it-yourselfer when it comes to these things. I now realize that letting Gateway know exactly how you want the system configured will save you headaches down the road: 1) Ask to have the W7 jumper installed. This is a keyboard configuration jumper, which enables 'PS/2 keyboard' operations. It is documented as RESERVED on system charts in the manual, but is easily located on the motherboard if you read the manual. It is critical to a successful installation. You may have to do this yourself, which involves removing the cover of the machine. 2) If you want DOS/Windows at all, choose a disk configuration you like and have them partition the primary disk with adequate space for NS/FIP (unformatted) and a minimal DOS installation. NS/FIP will *not* install in a dual boot mode unless there is both a DOS partition and a NS partition on the primary drive. Here I screwed up. I had them install the DOS/Windows suite on the 212, assuming that I could use the entire 424 as a NS drive. This worked, but left me unable to access the DOS boot, because I had given the entire 424 over to NS. Let DOS have a minimum of about 7 or 8MB on the primary disk if you want no trouble. DOS can be entirely installed in about 7MB and then you can shift to another drive for your DOSsy stuff when booted to DOS. I have now given a miserly 1MB to DOS on my primary, and shift immediately to a DOS partition on my secondary (212MB) drive when booting to DOS. This re-installation required FDISKing the primary and secondary drives and performing a *very* manual install of DOS on the D: drive. DOS SETUP is not designed to let DOS go anywhere other than the C: drive. 3) If you are ordering a modem from Gateway, have them install the modem as COM2 and the mouse as COM1. NS must have a serial mouse at COM1 during install. It can be moved to COM2 as a configuration option, but why bother if you can't operate the configuration program with it at COM2. They set up my system with the modem at COM1, and the mouse on COM2. It took some messing to straighten this out, as they were fast and loose with the ribbon cables coming off the motherboard. Docs said that the 9 pin was COM1, but due to the modem, they cabled my 9 pin up as COM2. Had to trace back to the motherboard connection to figure that one out. 4) NS wants a minimum of 16MB memory to run. That is what I ordered. I now have a minimum NS system with a fully populated set of 4MB SIMMs. If you buy a 16MB system, insist on a 16MB SIMM module. Now, if I want to upgrade my memory, I'll have to start throwing away good 4MB SIMM modules! [Groused to GW about this, asked for a 16MB SIMM, and they came through for me. I have returned my 4 4MB SIMMS.] 5) Gateway is now shipping an ATI card that they regard as new and improved over the Ultra Graphics Pro. The Ultra Graphics Pro is supported, make sure the newer card is before you get frustrated trying to make it work in some compatibility mode. PRE-INSTALL Check that the W7 jumper is where it ought to be. See that your mouse is on COM1. Install your SCSI CD-ROM player yourself (Gateway doesn't sell one!). Check the install of DOS if you care. Follow the BIOS setup configuration stated in the NeXTAnswers help on Gateway. It does not cover IDE drives, and I've had mixed success with two IDE drives both Auto Configured and set in Block Mode On. INSTALL I saw a note in the Release Notes for 3.1 that on some systems you must eject the 3.5" diskette once the banner "Mach Operating System" appears, or things don't go so well. I did this, but don't know whether it was important. Much has been written about installing with the keyboard detached. With the correct installation of the W7 jumper, this was *not* necessary for me. When working through the NS install, you will see disturbing messages about the failure to find the pointing device, but then magically it works anyway. This is a mirage. The default for the install program includes a bogus B/W screen definition and a serial mouse (which works for you!). However, the driver that gets loaded into your permanent configuration is the PS/2 (Bus?) Mouse driver. Once you reboot, your mouse will be lost to you due to the driver that doesn't drive your mouse. All you have to do is configure the serial mouse and drop out the PS/2 Mouse driver within the configuration phase. If you screw up, you can recover. When the 'boot:' prompt appears, you can type 'config=default' and you will boot into the bogus B/W screen and serial mouse used during installation. You can move to the Configure.app and reconfigure your mouse properly. Note: If you have no sound board, like me, NS/FIP loads no sound capbility whatsoever. You must load the 'beep driver' in Configure.app to even get the smallest beeps out of your system. In spite of the dire warnings from NS, I installed the entire User and Dev systems 3.1 leaving off only the literature and Webster packages from the User system and it came to only 205MB. This after hearing that 330MB was a bare minimum and 400MB was recommended. I have yet to actually develop anything so I will see what consumption is like. I am a Unix person, so the native NS install as a standalone system left me a bit preturbed. The root account defaults to no password. The default account, 'me' hangs its directory off the root. You may wish to change this. I created a directory, '/u' and hung my user accounts off that. I also protected my root account with a password and removed the 'me' account from the system. If you are not familiar with NetInfo, you will be surprised to see that /etc/passwd is completely bypassed by these user changes QUESTIONS Sound card? With Adaptec 1542C in the system Pro Media 16 can freeze up. This sounds like a show stopper. Where is this being addressed? Other alternatives? Is SoftPC available for NS/FIP? How much and/or when? CREDITS Many thanks to the comp.next.misc group, especially Paul Sears (sears@uh.edu) and Robert Lutwak (robert@argon.mit.edu) for early work on the W7 jumper. Their notes were critical in getting through a smooth install. -- =============================================================== Dean Banfield Real Decisions Corporation Voice: 203.656.1500 22 Thorndal Circle FAX: 203.656.1659 Darien, CT USA 06840 e-mail: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com ===============================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Getting NSI installed from Toshiba CD-ROM drive? Message-ID: <1993Oct13.002412.6982@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 13 Oct 93 00:24:10 PDT References: <1993Oct8.205605.6929@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct10.233056.6951@nic.csu.net> <1993Oct11.162206.6963@nic.csu.net> <CEsKCF.2q9@phcs.com> Jim Quick (jq@phcs.com) wrote: : Have you tried setting the SCSI ID of the CD-ROM to 6. : This is what worked for us with a Toshiba/DPT2022 combo. : CDROM at 1 always failed. at 6 we tried : sd1 and sd6 as the targets when asked what to boot from. : One of them worked flawlessly. (I cannot remember which one) Yup, did that, didn't work... =) I have now found two other people with similar problems to my own - inability to install NextStep - won't find the CD-ROM. I will ame make a new thread on this, asking for others who may have run into this - take a look for my post! Dane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Install Problems: Adaptec/Toshiba/Gateway/NSFIP Message-ID: <1993Oct13.003611.6983@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 13 Oct 93 00:36:10 PDT This message is to people who would LIKE to be running NextStep for the Intel Platform, but can't due to problems with installation: I have had no luck installing NextStep on my Gateway 2000 machine with Adaptec controler, Toshiba CD-Rom - theoreticly all ok components. I am looking for others with similar problems. Currently, there are three of us that I know of - we all share the following system installation problems: System boots, and refuses to recognize the SCSI card, and thus, the SCSI CD-ROM drive. I have tried every possible combination of interupts and drive IDs, termination, and such, with no luck. Nextanswers have been read for this equipment, and their suggestions produce nothing. Our configurations are as follows: Two of us have Gateway 2000 machines, one is Micronics MB, and the other is the newer 'JX' series, one month old. All of us have Adaptec cards - the two with Gateway MBs have 1543cf cards, the other has a 1540b. All of us have Toshiba CD-ROM drives - all 3401TA drives, though I have also tried a 3301TA drive. ---- I have called Gateway, Adaptec, Toshiba, Maxtor, and Next. Noone has a solution, and Next has put me 'in the queue', and not stated when they will call back. It is my hope that if we get together, we can get some results. Next has agreed to 'log a complimentary service call' for me. I don't think we should have to pay for INSTALLATION support on hardware that should be compatable. If you have had problems like these, please either email me, or better yet, post a 'me too' followup to this message saying what system setup you have, what error you get (mine never finds the SCSI card, which it should do right befor it finds fd0, etc), and what you have tried to resolve it. Perhaps we can get this solved - I've spent two full days trying every possible hardware configuration, and I don't see a lot of response from Next. Dane Jasper (707) 524-1750
From: chharris@stein1.u.washington.edu (Chris Harris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next Literature... Date: 13 Oct 1993 14:40:56 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <29h41o$q40@news.u.washington.edu> Summary: Looking for next product literature... Could someone please inform me as to where I could find some NeXT product literature? I'm sorry if this is a FAQ, but the two FAQ lists I found didn't have this information... Thanks. -Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "To error is human, but to really foul things up, you need a computer." Send questions, comments, flames, etc. to: Chris Harris / chharris@u.washington.edu
From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Date: 13 Oct 1993 14:40:01 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- InterNetNews site Distribution: world Message-ID: <29h401$luv@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <1993Oct13.002958.19320@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <1993Oct13.002958.19320@tkymail.sps.mot.com> mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) writes: > Robert F. Cahalan writes > > As far as I know, this ceased to work under 3.0 and later, because > the format of the dictionary changed. You have to install the > OLD dictionary to make it work. Personally, I think a command-line > "define" should be part of the standard NeXT distribution. > > There's a tool called puppet on the archives which will do this for you. It fakes the user interface on your behalf, for example, when you are dialing in to your office machine from a vt100 terminal. It works. > > --- > Michael Shaler > Tokyo Design Center > Nippon Motorola Ltd. > +813 3280 8245 voice > +813 3440 0033 fax > mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]B The old "define" was a REAL commandline version, which means you can access it using rsh. I set things up so anyone one our group server (which is an HP750 running HP-UX) could simple type, for example, "define prospero" and immediately get back "Pros pero \'pra s-pe-,ro \ :the rightful duke of Milan in Shakespeare's The Tempest", without even knowing that it was the NeXT doing it for them. Unfortunately you can't do this with puppet, because it requires that you effectively log into the NeXT, and pop up a window on the NeXT screen. I told the author of puppet about this problem, but as far as I know it hasn't been fixed. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: iceberg@cs.tu-berlin.de (Markus Guehrs) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: > Date: 13 Oct 1993 17:15:53 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <29hd49$mp5@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Summary: nowhere ! nowhere, really nowhere !
From: wrb@biostr.washington.edu (William Barker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Toshiba 3401 info (was: Install Problems: Ad)aptec/Toshiba/Gateway/NSFIP Date: 13 Oct 1993 16:54:30 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <29hbs6$s1s@news.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Oct13.003611.6983@nic.csu.net> In article <1993Oct13.003611.6983@nic.csu.net> writes: > (Stuff about problems deleted.) Regarding the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, I have spoken with Larry Cohen at Peripheral Solutions (no relationship except as a satisfied customer of Larry's), and he's run down the following: Toshiba ships different 3401 drives for different systems. For example, there is a 3401 that will work only on Suns. Ditto for SGIs--I have one that SGI ships, the label says it's a 3401, but when I plug it in to a black box, the NeXT actually thinks it's a disk, and since it can't mount it, NS offers to initialize it for me! Then there's a 3401 that will work with Macs, PCs and NeXTs. Larry got this info from Toshiba, BTW. The bottom line: Make sure you've got a 3401 that supports your system. (I wish I had some model numbers to go with this info, but I don't. Sorry.) bb -- Bill Barker Biological Structure, SM-20 University of Washington Seattle WA 98195 (206) 543-7315 "In Wine there is Wisdom, In Beer there is Strength; In Water is Bacteria." --Old German Saying.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: glen@instep.wimsey.bc.ca Subject: Re: Using NXFax with alternative modems Message-ID: <1993Oct13.163457.232@instep.wimsey.bc.ca> Sender: glen@instep.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: InStep Mobile Communications Inc. References: <CErAAL.C1p@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 16:34:57 GMT In article <CErAAL.C1p@well.sf.ca.us> kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) writes: > Does anyone have experience using NSFax (sending/receiving faxes/data and > uucp) with high-speed modems other than the ones they advertise them with? > > I'm looking for the cheapest 9600-baud faxmodem for use with NXFax. The > ones B&W sell are not cheap. > > Please let me know any success stories/problems. > > Thanks, > > Ken (kenw@well.sf.ca.us) > Class 2 fax support is essential. The fact that there is no class 2 standard means it is probably best to stick with modems NXFax actually claims to support. -- Glen Biagioni Software Developer glen@instep.wimsey.bc.ca (small NeXTmail accepted) 604 872-7116 604 872-7125 fax
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Librarian Questions Date: 13 Oct 1993 17:12:17 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <29hcti$396@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <291aemINN1ba@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <1993Oct9.165516.1511@gamelan> And perhaps someone could explain why I cannot search for word1 and word2 or word1 near/20 word2 In 5 years, NeXT has not added simple Boolean search logic to the Librarian. Must have something to do with their fear to preempt 3rd-party developers. Appsoft's example of the handling of WriteNow shows how well the new policy has worked. There just aren't good alternatives to some NeXT software. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 13 Oct 1993 17:15:18 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <29hd36$sua@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <29fli0$hp2@news.u.washington.edu> <1993Oct13.045525.10422@imani.cam.org> In article <1993Oct13.045525.10422@imani.cam.org>, nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > > > I'm in. CDROM. > > Ditto! > I'll triple that! -jason ___________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross) Subject: Re: chimes for NeXT using crontab Message-ID: <1993Oct13.180130.21036@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <1993Oct13.053236.3866@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 18:01:30 GMT In article <1993Oct13.053236.3866@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> (slugg jello) writes: > Note that there exists an application from Mouthing Flowers that does chimes > and more, and you don't have to muck around with crontab files. The app is > called TimeFlies, and its available as a MAB on purdue and orst archives. > > I'm biased, of course since I work for Mouthing Flowers, but I like TimeFlies > best for its alarms. But its nice to set the chime at the top of the hour to > the bullfrog sound. When it repeats it reminds me of crickets chirping in the > woods. > -- > Doug Kent > Mouthing Flowers, Inc. > slugg@mouthers.wa.com You don't need this app to play sounds at the hour. It is quite easy to hack the hourly(?) script and crontab so that they play ".snd" files. This is what I did, and since I am a fan of Ren & Stimpy, my script plays a different R&S sound for each hour, my favorite is the 5pm sound, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy. My least favorite is the one that just played at 1pm, a buzzer telling me to get back to work.... :( -george +------- Stop it, you're talking crazy--Stimpson J. Cat -------+ | George B. Ross University of Notre Dame | | gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering | +--------------------- NeXT mail welcome ----------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: Re: Recommendations for purchasing Gateway Message-ID: <gslCEuJJH.Ir2@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <CEu907.781@rdcalr.realdec.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 17:35:41 GMT Dean Banfield (dean@rdcalr.realdec.com) wrote: : My experiences were posted to this group in September. I repost them : for the benefit of those following this thread: : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [munch] : I have not yet used the modem as I await my phone line. I understand there : are Serial driver problems with NS/FIP, so my phone line and the driver fix : may come hand in hand. [Update: I have now used the modem with the bad : serial driver, and does, in fact crash the system. I have yet to install : the upgraded serial driver from ftp.next.com] The gateway Telapath modem works great with the new serial drivers! Greg Lindholm gsl@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: sounds formats .snd Message-ID: <1993Oct13.185425.11662@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 18:54:25 GMT HI, Would anybody tell me if the NeXT ".snd" format the same as the SUN ".au" format? how can I convert them back and forth? Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ovrskeek@hsd (James McIlree) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <CEuppA.2r2@hsd.com> Sender: usenet@hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer, U.S., Inc. References: <1993Oct13.045525.10422@imani.cam.org> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 19:48:45 GMT In article <1993Oct13.045525.10422@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > In article <29fli0$hp2@news.u.washington.edu> basiji@stein1.u.washington.edu > (David Basiji) writes: > > > > I'm in. CDROM. > > Ditto! > Double Ditto! James McIlree ovrskeek@hsd.com
From: "E. Daniel Raz" <p00273@psilink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT/OBJECTIVE 'C' - INVESTMENT BANKING - NYC Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 15:08:31 -0500 Organization: Analytic Recruiting Inc. Message-ID: <2959625059.6.p00273@psilink.com> Major Investment Bank located in mid-town New York City is looking for an expert programmer with significant experience programming on the NeXT station. Responsibilities involve the design and development of systems to support Trading and Risk Management of equity options. Applicants must be college grads (BS/MS/Ph.D.) with several years industry experience. This is a high visibility position requiring polished and superior communications skills. Salary $80k-100k++ When Replying, please include the following: 1. Present salary and bonus if any. 2. US Citizenship/Permenant Residency/Work Visa 3. Geographical preference and availabilty to interview at that location. (Please note: Most of our clients will not pay travel or relocation expenses.) Please follow up faxed or emailed resumes with a hardcopy via usmail. ALL CORRESPONDENCE MUST BE MARKED ATTN: E. DANIEL RAZ CONTACT (executive search firm): E. Daniel Raz email: p00273@psilink.com usmail: Analytic Recruiting Inc. 21 East 40 St. Suite 500 New York, New York 10016 Tel#: (212) 545-8511 Fax#: (212) 545-8520
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: sounds formats .snd Message-ID: <1993Oct13.200042.12328@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Oct13.185425.11662@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 20:00:42 GMT Waihon Andrew Kwong writes > Would anybody tell me if the NeXT ".snd" format the same as the > SUN ".au" format? how can I convert them back and forth? This is in the alt.binaries.sounds FAQ. The formats are identical; to "convert" them just rename them. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jack@solucorp.qc.ca (Jacques Gelinas) Subject: Re: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Message-ID: <1993Oct13.181515.11131@solucorp.qc.ca> Organization: solucorp References: <1993Sep29.173239.18849@sco.COM> <EZTHB16G@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <rick.749640410@digibd> <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> <BSON.93Oct5152028@moomin.ai.mit.edu> <rick.749968841@digibd> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 18:15:15 GMT rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes: >>In article <CEEFuq.5vw@dsbc.icl.co.uk> jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J J Farrell) writes: >> In article <rick.749640410@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >Hey, guys, would I lie to you? I, for one, am happy to see that USL >finally has a compiler worth the SDK price. Now, if they would just >give me a switch to turn off those nagging: > line 129: warning: initializer does not fit: -129 >messages every time I compile an X bitmap (the values are stored in >char's, which happen to be signed on this machine). Is there any switch telling the compiler that a char is unsigned. Few compiler has one (gcc and borland I know). This is unfortunate because this breaks many software playing with 8bit internationnal code. Of course, you can define those strings (that may contain those 8 bit chars) to be unsigned char * instead of plain char * and of course you just have to rewrite all those strxxx() function and printf function for unsigned string. And off course you have to cast all litterals strings to unsigned char *. Every way around you are screwed :-( This is the kind of completness I like with GCC. This is why I have promote the use of this compiler on all platform except DOS 16 bits at the office. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jacques Gelinas (jacques@solucorp.qc.ca) Maintainer of US4BINR jacques@us4binr.login.qc.ca
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP and Lan?? Date: 13 Oct 1993 19:57:58 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Distribution: inet Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Oct13205758@dannug.dannug.dk> Hi I am forwarding this query for a friend who has no news access, so please answer directly to him and not to me. Anybody that has tried to integrate NEXTSTEP (and SoftPC) in a LAN Manager network? If yes, what level of integration can be achieved? I know that SoftPC can run the IPX protocol, but will this help me? Please respond to: gclem@dannug.dk -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 President, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de(Manfred Roehr) Subject: ATARI on the NeXT Message-ID: <CEur15.Ay@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) Organization: arts Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 20:17:29 GMT Hi, does anybody know, if it could be possible, running ATARI on the NeXT? There is very good german DTP-software running fast on the ATARI. Tja... Manfred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Using NXFax with alternative modems Message-ID: <CEuwp3.Mqu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN References: <CErAAL.C1p@well.sf.ca.us> <1993Oct13.163457.232@instep.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 22:19:50 GMT In article <1993Oct13.163457.232@instep.wimsey.bc.ca>, <glen@instep.wimsey.bc.ca> wrote: > >Class 2 fax support is essential. The fact that there is no class 2 >standard means it is probably best to stick with modems NXFax actually >claims to support. > What modems are officially supported? I played with the demo (send only, maximum 1 page) on black hardware with a Practical Peripherals modem that, according to the documentation, "sends and receives Group 3 faxes under Class 1 and Class 2 operation..." -- it worked flawlessly, but I couldn't test recieve with the demo. I've been waiting for the Intel version to ship. I think they have a money back guarantee, so I suppose you could test it with an unsupported modem without much risk. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: sci.image.processing,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,de.comp.sys.next From: shin@nop.han.de (Hoen-oh Shin) Subject: compiling morph version 4.0 for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Oct13.211110.933@nop.han.de> Sender: shin@nop.han.de Organization: Hoen-oh Shin, Hannover, Germany [IN] Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 21:11:10 GMT Hello, did anyone manage to get the morph-package (package for mathematical morphology) from Richard Alan Peters II (Vanderbilt University School) running for NeXT-Computers? After deleting "malloc.h" (contained in stdlib.h on NeXT) and "values.h", i successfully compiled the package, but haven't been able to get it running. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ----------- Hoen-oh Shin shin@nop.han.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: control key to script? (Was: How to do history scroll?) Message-ID: <1993Oct13.190858.7528@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (Kelly Cunningham) Date: 13 Oct 93 19:08:57 CST References: <1993Oct8.211652.2676@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: As little as I can get away with... Aah! My news feed is back! Anyone know how to execute a script with a control key? -- kc
From: elitman@wam.umd.edu (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 14 Oct 1993 01:29:03 GMT Organization: Proxima, Inc. Message-ID: <29ia0v$7s4@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> I would buy a copy of this, and would have each one of my company's NeXTSTEP customers buy this (a significant number). I'm sure many people would be surprised at the interest in gaming software in industries from commodoties brokerage to secure govenrment research projects. And this comment is based upon an unseen product. -Eric Litman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install Problems: Adaptec/Toshiba/Gateway/NSFIP Message-ID: <1993Oct13.172027.6989@nic.csu.net> From: djasper@odie.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Date: 13 Oct 93 17:20:22 PDT References: <1993Oct13.003611.6983@nic.csu.net> Dane Jasper (djasper@odie.santarosa.edu) wrote: : This message is to people who would LIKE to be running : NextStep for the Intel Platform, but can't due to problems : with installation: .. : All of us have Adaptec cards - the two with Gateway MBs have : 1543cf cards, the other has a 1540b. It has been reported by Ralph Jung that replacing the 1542CF Adaptec card with a 1542C will allow Nextstep to recognize the controler and CD, and install. I'm going to see if I can trade mine in, and am pursuing a fix with Next. Who are still quit unresponsive - "I don't know what they're going to do, or when they're going to call" - says Rollie of Next.. =( If Next expects this last offering they are making to succeed, you would think it would work on an current Adaptec card, wouldn't you? I mean, what are new hardware purchasers supposed to do, buy old equipment? If we were, it would be nice at least to know about it! I'm getting very disenchanted with the 'Next experience' Dane
From: randy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randall E. Cotton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Yikes! No loginwindow after 3.1 upgrade! Date: 14 Oct 1993 02:39:46 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <29ie5i$5r4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Well, I just "successfully" upgraded my NextStation to 3.1, at least according to the upgrade app, however when I restarted I couldn't even get a loginwindow. While I do get the "Welcome" window which allows you to choose your preferred language and keyboard, when I make my choices and press "OK", the "Welcome" window disappears and nothing happens for about 50 seconds whereupon the "Welcome" window reappears. Bummer. I can go through this cycle over and over and each time four entries appear in /usr/adm/messages - for example: Oct 13 21:16:16 targa loginwindow[179]: loginwindow: could not find WindowServer port! Oct 13 21:16:18 targa loginwindow[181]: loginwindow: sound service already registered. Oct 13 21:16:18 targa loginwindow[181]: loginwindow: _NXAudioIn service already registered. Oct 13 21:16:18 targa loginwindow[181]: loginwindow: _NXAudioOut service already registered. Anyone out there have a clue on this? Also, can anyone tell me if it's normal under 3.1 to have two WindowServer processes running? ... from ps -aux: root 204 0.0 10.7 19.9M 2.13M ? S 0:02 - console (WindowServer) root 205 0.0 7.9 3.88M 1.59M ? S 0:01 - console (loginwindow) root 206 0.0 1.1 2.66M 224K ? S 0:00 - console (WindowServer) -- Randy Cotton Computing and Communications Services Office Disclaimer: any views Network Support expressed are the University of Illinois Urbana/Champaign sole opinion of my dog Buzz
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Database servers under NS 3.1 Date: 14 Oct 1993 02:58:24 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <29if8h$f4u@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <93278.212606CADER@auvm.american.edu> CADER@auvm.american.edu (Masud) writes: > How does ORACLE 6 and Sybase (bundled version) run under system 3.1. > I am running 3.0 now and everthing is fine. Should I bother to > upgrade to 3.1 (as 3.2 is due in weeks)? > > Where can I find the dba graphical interface to Sybase under 3.1? > > Any hope for ORACEL7 server under NS3.1 (Intel/Moto?) For relational (SQL) database servers which run on NeXT hardware itself, there's also QuickBase from SofDesign Solutions (no "t" in "SofDesign"). This is a good product for my databases, but my databases are probably not the same as yours. You might want to try it out for yourself instead of believing anything I say about it. (I do like it though). They have a demo version available, but they are in the middle of upgrading/changing that. If you ask for the demo right now you end up getting nothing, I think. I'll try to remember to post another article when the demo version is once again available. Both their server and clients are targetted for both Motorola and NS/Intel platforms. I suspect the Intel version isn't quite as stable yet, but really that's just a guess on my part (I don't have an NS/Intel system yet, so I have no way to test anything on NS/Intel). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Yikes! No loginwindow after 3.1 upgrade! Date: 14 Oct 1993 03:42:31 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <29ihr7$rmu@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <29ie5i$5r4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <29ie5i$5r4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Randall E. Cotton <randy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote: >Well, I just "successfully" upgraded my NextStation to 3.1, at least >according to the upgrade app, however when I restarted I couldn't even >get a loginwindow. While I do get the "Welcome" window which allows >you to choose your preferred language and keyboard, when I make my >choices and press "OK", the "Welcome" window disappears and nothing >happens for about 50 seconds whereupon the "Welcome" window reappears. >Bummer. I can go through this cycle over and over and each time four >entries appear in /usr/adm/messages - for example: It's a shot in the dark, but check out para. 3 on p. 7 of the Release Notes; it could be a similar problem with the former defaults. Blowing them away may help. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----------------------> Macho does not prove mucho. <-----------------------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Walter C3arlip) Subject: Printing Postscript: How? Message-ID: <1993Oct14.033525.22542@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Organization: Ohio University Mathematics Distribution: na Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 03:35:25 GMT Consider the following scenario: I have a nice postscript file to print. I dial in and ftp the file up to my NeXT station with its nice 400dpi postscript printer and display postscript capabilities. So now how do I print it? As it is now, I have to hop into my car, drive in to campus, wait 15 minutes for the elevator up to the computer room the NeXT station lives in and call up the postscript file with the postscript previewer and click the "print" button. Is there any way I can spool the print job from home by telnet without previewing? In other words is there any way to filter a ps file through the operating systems postscript interpreter and pipe the result out to the printer? Thanks, --Walter -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Walter C3arlip **** carlip@ace.cs.ohiou.edu **** (the "3" is silent) _____________________________________________________________________________
From: mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 14 Oct 1993 04:28:59 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <29ikib$ibs@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <29ia0v$7s4@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> In article <29ia0v$7s4@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> elitman@wam.umd.edu (Eric A. Litman) writes: > I would buy a copy of this, and would have each one of my company's > NeXTSTEP customers buy this (a significant number). I'm sure many > people would be surprised at the interest in gaming software in > industries from commodoties brokerage to secure govenrment research > projects. > > And this comment is based upon an unseen product. So many commitments to buy and we don't even know what kind of game it is yet! Did someone post the relevant details already and I missed it or are we just so game starved we'll buy anything? Actually, if it looks good and is mildly interesting I'll buy it, whatever it is. p.s. Maybe we can get the "Microsoft Gaming Pack" ported to NS? Nah, I played plenty of Tempist and the lame caterpillar game when I was 9. -- ========================================================================= Alex Currier | I get no kick from champagne... mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all NeXTmail capable! | but I get a kick out of UNIX. =========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu (Eric de_la_Tribouille) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <CEvEsK.7zK@cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL References: <1993Oct12.213640.3215@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 04:50:44 GMT > Michelle Buck writes > > WARNING: This is a blantant post for market research purposes. > > > > For about 2 years in my spare time, I have been working on a high > > end NeXTstep graphical game along the lines of high end games > > for other platforms. Recent announcements in the NeXT community > > have caused me to wonder if I am just wasting my time, or are > > people really interested in such a game in the range of $65? In > > addition, what distribution formats would be acceptable: CD-ROM, > > a tall stack of floppies, Internet with key access, etc. If you > > have any opinions or comments, please e-mail to > michelle@meaddata.com > > Thanks for any input. -- I'd pay for a good game under NEXTSTEP too ! It's a necessary thing on computers. I know more than one NEXTSTEP teacher who introduce NEXTSTEP through a game like Billard.app. Do you know someone who use a computer without playing with it ? Me not ! Even CEO play ! BTW, the CDRom support is a good one to let the imagination of the author be free... music.. real images... 3d photorealistics images ... lots of possibilities in the game... Cheers, - Eric _____________________________________________________________________ | Eric de la Tribouille | Advanced Collaborative Systems Lab. eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu | Department of Computer Science | University of Illinois at | Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Command Line RTF -> Postscript Converter Message-ID: <1993Oct14.042009.4087@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 04:20:09 GMT I need a command line RTF to postscript converter. Also, a command line utility to concatenate postscript files would alos be helpful. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Toby Paterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing Postscript: How? Date: 14 Oct 1993 08:46:30 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: na Message-ID: <29j3l6$4km@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1993Oct14.033525.22542@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> In article <1993Oct14.033525.22542@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Walter C3arlip) writes: > Consider the following scenario: I have a nice postscript file > to print. I dial in and ftp the file up to my NeXT station with its nice > 400dpi postscript printer and display postscript capabilities. > > So now how do I print it? > There's a program called lpr. > As it is now, I have to hop into my car, drive in to campus, > wait 15 minutes for the elevator up to the computer room the > NeXT station lives in and call up the postscript file with > the postscript previewer and click the "print" button. > Gack! > Is there any way I can spool the print job from home by > telnet without previewing? > Yup - lpr. > In other words is there any way > to filter a ps file through the operating systems postscript > interpreter and pipe the result out to the printer? > That's not what happens and not what you want to do - the printer itself interprets postscript so there is no need to filter the file through the Window Server. The file is simply spooled in a printing queue and downloaded straight to the printer by the printer daemon. Of course, you still have to go to campus to pick up the output. X -- \\ / Who: Toby Paterson \\/ How: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca, tpaterso@cs.ubc.ca //\ What: Grunt and NeXT hacker; GDSS Fellowship // \ Where: University of British Columbia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: arrouye@petole.imag.fr (Yves Arrouye) Subject: Re: Multi-disk packages In-Reply-To: kevins@bmd.com's message of Sat, 9 Oct 1993 03:36:14 GMT Message-ID: <ARROUYE.93Oct14101413@petole.imag.fr> Sender: news@imag.fr Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France References: <1993Oct9.033614.19401@bMD.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 09:14:13 GMT In article <1993Oct9.033614.19401@bMD.com> kevins@bmd.com writes: Anyone know what's up with 3.1 and multi disk packages... I have installed multi disk packages that were made under 3.0 or lower but the ones I create under 3.1 seem to have a problem ejecting the first disk.... Any ideas???? Shell scripts within the 3.1 Installer distribution are reputed to be bugfull. The "solution" is either to make the package with 3.0 (which is not possible for NS/FIP), or to manually install the archive, by concatenating all tar files before extrcating them. Yves -- Elle e'tait comme je vous la raconte sans que vous Yves Arrouye puissiez voir son visage ni entendre ses paroles, Yves.Arrouye@imag.fr pas plus que je ne l'ai vu ni ne les ai entendues, (33) 76 57 48 64 moi qui pourtant les ai si bien connus. NeXT Mail
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Did this work with your tbl? Date: 14 Oct 1993 12:11:06 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <29jc4a$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Could people try this sequence thru tbl or any other like tool and get back to me as to wether it worked? It currently does not work in NeXTSTEP 3.1. This is from the mwm.n man page. This problem is exhibited in the Co-Xist 3 installation. I would be interested to know wether Cub/X has the same problem since they all are probably using the standard manual pages from the X11R5 distribution and what ever Motif extra pages that have sourced. So far all man pages that have tbl macros in them fail to format passed the point where the macros lie. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: s9uart@blackhole (Ried Thiel) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <1993Oct14.121140.29365@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae References: <CEuppA.2r2@hsd.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 12:11:40 GMT In article <CEuppA.2r2@hsd.com> ovrskeek@hsd (James McIlree) writes: > In article <1993Oct13.045525.10422@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org > (Nicolas Dore) writes: > > In article <29fli0$hp2@news.u.washington.edu> > basiji@stein1.u.washington.edu > > (David Basiji) writes: > > > > > > I'm in. CDROM. > > > > Ditto! > > > Double Ditto! > > James McIlree > ovrskeek@hsd.com I wouldn't mind a good game either but I did want to just remind everyone that it really can't ship on a floppy until NeXT FIXES the stupid driver. Ried
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: s9uart@blackhole (Ried Thiel) Subject: Re: sounds formats .snd Message-ID: <1993Oct14.121541.29452@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae References: <1993Oct13.200042.12328@leland.Stanford.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 12:15:41 GMT In article <1993Oct13.200042.12328@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Waihon Andrew Kwong writes > > Would anybody tell me if the NeXT ".snd" format the same as the > > SUN ".au" format? how can I convert them back and forth? > > This is in the alt.binaries.sounds FAQ. The formats are identical; > to "convert" them just rename them. > > -- > - > Stefano Pagiola > Food Research Institute, Stanford University > spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) > spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) If the formats are identical how come when I rename .snd to .au it doesn't play on our Sun's Ried
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: u9236635@sys.uea.ac.uk (R. Szczesniak) Subject: Re: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Message-ID: <CEw3xJ.D4p@sys.uea.ac.uk> Sender: news@sys.uea.ac.uk Organization: University of East Anglia References: <BSON.93Oct5152028@moomin.ai.mit.edu> <rick.749968841@digibd> <1993Oct13.181515.11131@solucorp.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 13:53:43 GMT People forget one thing when they are arguing whether gcc is better or worse than their other compilers - its free (as long as you follow the GNU License) and thats its greatest asset. It is always being developed so the compiler is always being improved. And their is a place to air your grievancies where someone will listen to you (gnu.gcc.bug & gnu.gcc.help). This isn't the case with many other compilers. Romek Szczesniak u9236635@sys.uea.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Message-ID: <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <1993Oct14.121140.29365@almserv.uucp> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 14:15:06 GMT > So many commitments to buy and we don't even know what > kind of game it is yet! One thing I've often wondered about... The people who have written games so far on the NeXT seem to concentrate on "video" games, involving more intensive graphical animation... These tend to be a little slow, especially when sharing my system with other processes. But this is unessessary. Some of my favorite games are not video games. For example, on the macintosh I've played: SimCity, Civilization, Spaceward Ho, Strategic Conquest, and lots of others. I have spent countless hours playing all of these, and often go back to give them a go just for fun. (I'm not great at Civilization yet, but someday...) Some of these seem very easy to implement, especially for NeXTStep. So I'd like to see some games of this nature... They tend to have much more staying power for me. Michael
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 06:32:49 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct14.133249.1237@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: User.addresses? Is there a shell unix tool that will split large files like .compressed into smaller files that can be cat'd back together? I looked at the man page for split(1), but it gives me the impression that it only works for text-oriented files, not binary.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: 'limit' command has no effect? Message-ID: <1993Oct11.111920.645@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <297god$sa4@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 11:19:20 GMT In article <297god$sa4@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > I would like to be able to set a ceiling on how much memory my > users can allocate, given that Mach is too dimwitted to know when > it has permitted a call to malloc(1.0e+36), or anything like that > (this has been hashed out in news before), and I prefer not having > my users cause our machines to drop in their tracks (which they > will if you try to allocate that kind of memory). > > Anyway, I have been testing the limits for stacksize and datasize, > setting them to values like 2 Meg -- but I still am able to > allocate blocks of memory in excess of 15 Megs. Is there *any* > way to get these limits to work? Is the limit command useless > under Mach? I just limited stacksize to 0 (from zsh) and tried the following: /bin/cat .cshrc zsh: segmentation fault /bin/cat .cshrc So the limit DOES work. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) Subject: Re: Is GCC best? (was: Re: Useability of POSIX (was: Novell plans for Unix)) Message-ID: <rick.750619040@digibd> Sender: news@gw.digibd.com (USENET News) Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN References: <BSON.93Oct5152028@moomin.ai.mit.edu> <rick.749968841@digibd> <1993Oct13.181515.11131@solucorp.qc.ca> <CEw3xJ.D4p@sys.uea.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 17:17:20 GMT u9236635@sys.uea.ac.uk (R. Szczesniak) writes: >People forget one thing when they are arguing whether gcc is better or worse >than their other compilers - its free (as long as you follow the GNU License) >and thats its greatest asset. It is always being developed so the compiler is >always being improved. And their is a place to air your grievancies where >someone will listen to you (gnu.gcc.bug & gnu.gcc.help). This isn't the case >with many other compilers. Actually, this whole thread got started with me saying two things: 1) We use gcc here for many things - supporting GNU 2) The SVR4.2 cc can produce better code than gcc - supporting USL It turned into: 1) I can't believe it, the SVR4.0 compiler stank - berating USL 2) Have you tried this option on gcc? - supporting GNU I don't think anybody was slamming GNU's gcc, per se. If anything, USL got some (currently) undeserved slams. BTW, gcc isn't free, its just less expensive. In the real world, someone has to compile and support it. In our case, we pay Cygnus to do that. In other cases, the system administrator has to do it. If you like to live dangerously, you ftp a binary from some archive. -Rick -- Rick Richardson Senior Staff Engineer Writing X Widgets? DigiBoard, Inc. Email: rick@digibd.com Get Bert Bos's 'wbuild 2.0' 6400 Flying Cloud Dr. Fax: (612) 943-0803 Any other way is primitive. Eden Prarie, MN 55344 Tel: (612) 943-5383 <standard disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Message-ID: <1993Oct14.124354.21801@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Oct13.002958.19320@tkymail.sps.mot.com> <29h401$luv@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 12:43:54 GMT In article <29h401$luv@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes: >The old "define" was a REAL commandline version, which means you can >access it using rsh. I set things up so anyone one our group server >(which is an HP750 running HP-UX) could simple type, for example, "define >prospero" and immediately get back "Pros pero \'pra s-pe-,ro \ :the >rightful duke of Milan in Shakespeare's The Tempest", without even knowing >that it was the NeXT doing it for them. Unfortunately you can't do this >with puppet, because it requires that you effectively log into the NeXT, >and pop up a window on the NeXT screen. I told the author of puppet about >this problem, but as far as I know it hasn't been fixed. There's nothing I can do about it unfortunately. Puppeteer is just a way of remotely controlling NeXT applications and the Webster puppet uses the Webster application. There's no way to run NeXT applications if the Workspace Manager isn't running. I hope NeXT address this in a future release and allow applications to run without the WM in a similar way to redirecting the output of a Unix command to /dev/null. Dave Griffiths
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Working Pentium system: ALR Evolution V/60 (desktop) Date: 14 Oct 1993 18:18:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <29k55n$1ej@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Dear searchers for white hardware, A few days back there was a request for experience with Pentium-based NEXTSTEP systems. Well, I finally managed to get my ALR Evoultion V/60 running this week, and I decided I should share my experience with the net. I have no other relations to ALR than being a satisfied customer. If this comes out to be overly positive it is because of my genuine enthusiasm. The system works great, and is very stable. I would buy the same again, give or take some disk or memory. It feels much faster than NeXT hardware, and the screen looks really good, in native NeXT resolution at 68MHz. In short, installation is somewhat tricky, but once it is up and running it is a wonderful machine, for a reasonable cost (about $6000). I ordered an ALR Evolution V/60 Desktop Pentium system directly from ALR. They told me it would take about six weeks; it came within four weeks. I ordered it with a 340Mb IDE drive, 32Mb of memory and an ATI GUP 2Mb video card. I ordered a Nanao 550i Monitor, a MediaVision PAS 16 soundcard, an SMC Ethercard Ultra (which did not work) and an Adaptec 1542C SCSI Interface from a local vendor. I used a NeXT CD-ROM drive for installation. I had to return the SMC card and promptly got an Intel EtherExpress 16 for it, which seems to work great (since yesterday). I had no problem integrating the new machine into an existing network of 5 black machines. The machine benchmarks at 56 VAX MIPS, the floating point performance is about 60% of our Iris Indigo (the 100MHz R4400). I am very pleased with that. The IDE drive works fine, it never broke seriously in the few cases when I had to cold boot (always for some known reason unrelated to the machine itself). The NXFactor is around 0.8 at native NeXT resolution, as expected from an ATI card. Big windows do not move smoothly, but It isn't bad enough to be a problem for me. It is not possible to directly install NS 3.1 from CD-ROM onto the IDE drive. When I found that out, I ordered an additional SCSI drive (which went bad and is currently being exchanged). Meanwhile, (before the arrival of the SCSI disk), I managed to install a minisystem on a Bernoulli removable SCSI drive (Very tricky, let me know if you want to attempt that), and using that I could load the IDE drive from the CD-ROM. You could get the ALR with a SCSI drive, which costs somewhat more, to circumvent that problem. I do think, however, that SCSI drives are more prone to loss of data from power failures or cold boots. Another way that has been successfully tried is to format and build the IDE drive on another NS/Intel machine. If you don't have the resources (SCSI drives, other computers) it might still be best to get the IDE drive and buy or borrow a cheap ISA IDE controller for use during the installation. I used some of the tricks posted on the net to get the sound card running, it worked like a charm on first try. I connected it to the little speaker that comes with the ALR, the sound you get from that is very low, just audible at the highest volume setting. Since I am in an open office space, that is good enough for me. For better results you should connect a set of speakers to the card, I haven't tried that yet. I got the new drivers from the net for the ATI card, the serial ports and the EtherExpress card, and all of them seem to work flawlessly. I am now ready to give up my NeXTstation to an eagerly waiting office mate and use the ALR exclusively. I hope this helps, Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: daniel@zac.itesm.mx(Daniel Ramirez Valdez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT's hardware Price$ Date: 14 Oct 1993 19:47:48 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <29kad4$2d8j@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Hi net! I'm just writing this to get information about a price. Someone have a NeXTStation Color, 32 Mb RAM, 400 Mb HD, NeXTStep 3.0 and a NeXT LaserPrinter, he asks me for $7,500 dlls., is the price fair? cheap? Ok, just imagine that I would buy that computer, we have two NeXT Stations with 8 Mb RAM and 105 Mb HD, and one NeXT Cube, 16 Mb RAM, and 1.7 Gb HD, all running system release 2.1, my questions is, NeXT Step 3.0 fits in those 105 Mb hard disks to upgrade?? Someone told me that 105 Mb isn't enough for NeXT Step 3.0. TIA, Daniel PD: Please reply directly to my account! -- Stardard disclaimers applies... "When things just can't possibly get any worse, they will." Daniel Ramirez Valdez, alias Danilo "All you need is a Mac!" Student/NeXT-Macintosh System Administrator/Computer Technician daniel@zac.itesm.mx
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: User.addresses? Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 15:33:52 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <wgjOaUe00YUoMlUpQk@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1993Oct14.133249.1237@corona.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 14-Oct-93 User.addresses? by Peter Kron@corona.com > Is there a shell unix tool that will split large files like > .compressed into smaller files that can be cat'd back > together? I looked at the man page for split(1), but it > gives me the impression that it only works for text-oriented > files, not binary. True. You can get the GNU version of split, which can do both kinds of splitting (from prep.ai.mit.edu in /pub/gnu, probably binutils, but maybe fileutils; I don't remember). Or: snip this, and compile with "cc -O2 -object -s -o bsplit bsplit.c": -------------- /* * bsplit.c - split files in manageable pieces. * usage is exactly like the split program. * * Written by C. Swiger 8/08/93 */ #include <stdio.h> #define DEFAULT_SIZE 50000 #define DEFAULT_PREFIX "x" #ifndef MAXPATHLEN #define MAXPATHLEN 200 #endif char *malloc (); int convint (str) char *str; { int multiplier = 1; int arglen = strlen (str); if (arglen > 1) { switch (str[arglen - 1]) { case 'k': multiplier = 1024; str[arglen - 1] = '\0'; break; case 'm': multiplier = 1024 * 1024; str[arglen - 1] = '\0'; break; } } return atoi (str) * multiplier; } int main (argc, argv) /* bsplit - split binary file */ char *argv[]; { char *buf; char *myname; int blocksize = DEFAULT_SIZE; int level; int got; int file_number = 0; char outfname[MAXPATHLEN + 1]; char outbase[MAXPATHLEN + 3]; int foundinname = 0; FILE *infile = stdin; FILE *outfile; myname = *argv; strcpy (outbase, DEFAULT_PREFIX); if (argc == 1) { fprintf (stderr, "usage: %s [-size{km}] [file [prefix]]\n", myname); exit(1); } while (--argc > 0) { argv++; if ((*argv)[0] == '-') { if ((*argv)[1] == '\0') { if (foundinname) { fprintf (stderr, "usage: %s [-size{km}] [file [prefix]]\n", myname); exit (1); } foundinname++; } else blocksize = convint(*argv + 1); if (blocksize < 1) { fprintf (stderr, "usage: %s [-size{km}] [file [prefix]]\n", myname); exit (1); } } else if (foundinname) { if (strlen (*argv) > MAXPATHLEN) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: prefix too long\n", myname); exit (1); } strcpy (outbase, *argv); } else { if ((infile = fopen (*argv, "r")) == NULL) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: cannot open %s\n", myname, *argv); exit (1); } foundinname++; } } if ((buf = malloc (blocksize)) == NULL) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: malloc failed\n", myname); exit (1); } level = 0; while (1) { got = read (fileno (infile), &buf[level], blocksize - level); level += got; if ((level < blocksize) && (got > 0)) continue; if ((level == blocksize) || ((got == 0) && (level > 0))) { sprintf (outfname, "%s%c%c", outbase, file_number / 26 + 'a', file_number % 26 + 'a'); if ((outfile = fopen (outfname, "w")) == NULL) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: cannot create %s\n", myname, outfname); exit (1); } if (write (fileno (outfile), buf, level) != level) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: write failed\n", myname); exit (1); } fclose (outfile); level = 0; file_number++; } if (got == 0) break; } } --------------- -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Date: 14 Oct 1993 21:05:08 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <29keu4$g1h@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Keywords: Killer games for the most awesome OS In article <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: [...] > But this is unessessary. Some of my favorite games are not video games. > For example, on the macintosh I've played: SimCity, Civilization, > Spaceward Ho, Strategic Conquest, and lots of others. I have spent > countless hours playing all of these, and often go back to give them a go > just for fun. (I'm not great at Civilization yet, but someday...) Some of > these seem very easy to implement, especially for NeXTStep. > > So I'd like to see some games of this nature... They tend to have much > more staying power for me. Let me second this, though I'll happily welcome whatever's coming! I have the "Sim" collection (SimEarth, SimAnt, SimLife; no SimCity yet -I'm a big-picture guy :-)) and Civilization that i run on my 16 Mhz '386SX laptop (you wonder why I find NeXTSTEP so appealing??). SimLife is so huge that i can't even finish the tutorial -once the critters start breeding i run out of RAM! I'm going to try running it under SoftPC. But indeed, these sorts of simulation games are really engrossing. A NeXTSTEP port/version of Civilization would be breathtaking. I saw the game played on a Quadra with a 21" monitor this summer...wow! Think what one could do with Virtuoso and some RenderMan art! [Many encouraging rantings and effusions] Steve Weintz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Message-ID: <1993Oct14.105214.25102@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <29f8tv$ge6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 10:52:14 GMT In article <29f8tv$ge6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) writes: > In article <1993Oct12.213640.3215@leland.Stanford.EDU> > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > Michelle Buck writes > > > WARNING: This is a blantant post for market research purposes. > > > > > > For about 2 years in my spare time, I have been working on a high > > > end NeXTstep graphical game along the lines of high end games > > > for other platforms. Recent announcements in the NeXT community > > > have caused me to wonder if I am just wasting my time, or are > > > people really interested in such a game in the range of $65? In > > > addition, what distribution formats would be acceptable: CD-ROM, > > > a tall stack of floppies, Internet with key access, etc. If you > > > have any opinions or comments, please e-mail to > > michelle@meaddata.com > > > Thanks for any input. > > > > I'd pay that much for a good flight simulator. CD-ROM or internet > > access would both be fine; floppy distribution would be OK as long as > > it doesn't go over, say 4 floppies max. > > I'll second that. Prefer CD-ROM (Electronic AppWrapper?), Internet access. > Ahead Warp Zillion!!! I third it. A nice flight simulator, especially with fighting and good electronic opponents, would be wel worth that money. Otherwise, it depends. I'll vote for Internet and CD-ROM. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Message-ID: <CEwpBM.1yL@is.com> Keywords: executor, civilization, games Sender: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. References: <29keu4$g1h@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 21:35:46 GMT In article <29keu4$g1h@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) writes: > A NeXTSTEP port/version of Civilization would be breathtaking. > I saw the game played on a Quadra with a 21" monitor this summer...wow! > Think what one could do with Virtuoso and some RenderMan art! > Just so you know, Civilization does run reasonably well in Executor. There are some bugs, but for the most part, it's quite usable, and a great way to waste time. It sure would be nice to have a native port, but don't hold your breath. Best, Pete C -- ********************************************************************* Pete Clark - Software Engineer | You know that way that Integrity Solutions, Inc. | you always are? pclark@is.com NeXTMail preferred | Don't be that way.
From: ptok@void.caltech.edu (Phillip Tokumaru) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Fax]Modems Date: 15 Oct 1993 00:16:07 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <29kq47INNs5c@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Oct12.174458.694@CAM.ORG!planon> In article <1993Oct12.174458.694@CAM.ORG!planon> yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) writes: [...] > LineLink 144e - High Speed modem for the Macintosh [...] > The modem supports FAX but I don't think there is now a NeXT driver capable to support > it. [...] The InterFax driver that comes with 3.1 works for sending faxes over the LineLink 144e. Receiving is another matter. It will happily pretend to receive a Fax, but they are unreadable.
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Date: 15 Oct 93 00:43:08 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jeffo.750645788@uiuc.edu> References: <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <29keu4$g1h@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: Killer games for the most awesome OS Steven C Weintz writes: >Let me second this, though I'll happily welcome whatever's coming! >I have the "Sim" collection (SimEarth, SimAnt, SimLife; no SimCity yet >-I'm a big-picture guy :-)) [..] Whatever happened to the Maxis port of SimCity reported a long time ago in NeXTWORLD Extra? Hi Steve! -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (ASCII mail only)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: c579283@muebnx15.mugcnx1.missouri.edu (Wei Teh) Subject: Re: Newsgrazer problem... Message-ID: <1993Oct14.002831.7553@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> Keywords: newsgrazer, nntp, nntp server Sender: news@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (News Service) Organization: RRZN References: <CEE1sL.IAu@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 00:28:31 GMT In article <CEE1sL.IAu@cbnewse.cb.att.com> cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) writes: > I then change the nntp server on the preferences, press OK, and > restart the application. When I start the application I get > the same problem again. HOW CAN I SAVE THE PREFERENCES? > You must be getting the wrong nntp servers. Here are some common nntp servers: umd5.umd.edu (no posting) aiai.ed.ac.uk edfder1.edf.fr hagi.noguchi.riec.tohoku.ac.jp news.fu-berlin.de newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de pyr.swan.ac.uk etc... If all the above do not work, let me know, I still have some... B00NE c579283@monad.missouri.edu blem again. HOW CAN I SAVE THE PREFERENCES? > You must be getting the wrong nntp servers. Here are some common nntp servers: umd5.umd.edu (no posting) aiai.ed.ac.uk edfder1.edf.fr hagi.noguchi.riec.tohoku.ac.jp news.fu-berlin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Limited Number of Evaluation Kits Still Available! Message-ID: <1993Oct11.150730.25143@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 15:07:30 GMT There are a limited number of Evaluation Kits still available at $399.00 (those who bought before the deadline paid $100 less). Customers may obtain the Eval Kit by calling 1-800-TRY-NeXT. TRY-NeXT will transfer all customers to the appropriate regional sales representative. It appears that there will be an upgrade path for purchasers of the Evaluation Kits. It will not be free, but it will be reasonable. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: User.addresses? Date: 15 Oct 1993 05:31:18 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <29lcj6$r5j@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <wgjOaUe00YUoMlUpQk@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <wgjOaUe00YUoMlUpQk@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 14-Oct-93 User.addresses? by >Peter Kron@corona.com >> Is there a shell unix tool that will split large files like >> .compressed into smaller files that can be cat'd back >> together? I looked at the man page for split(1), but it >> gives me the impression that it only works for text-oriented >> files, not binary. > >True. You can get the GNU version of split, which can do both kinds of >splitting (from prep.ai.mit.edu in /pub/gnu, probably binutils, but >maybe fileutils; I don't remember). Or: snip this, and compile with >"cc -O2 -object -s -o bsplit bsplit.c": [ long, nasty-looking C source deleted :-] Or you can use /NextAdmin/Installer.app/chunk: 258[/NextAdmin/Installer.app]% chunk Usage: chunk chunk_size [+first_chunk_pad] filename [dest_dir] chunk_size is in bytes, haven't played with first_chunk_pad, and the other arguments are self-explanatory. The result is a series of files with chunk number file extensions (e.g., filename.1, filename.2, etc.) -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: NEXTSTEP devient serieux ?? Message-ID: <1993Oct15.093449.26646@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 09:34:49 GMT LE MONDE INFORMATIQUE PAGE 7 "NEXT a signe un accord avec la societe de conseil et de services KPMG Peat Marwick, qui devient un de ses principaux integrateurs de systemes aux etats unis. KPMG offrira une gamme de services autour de Nextstep. Elle prevoit de developper des librairies d'objets reutilisables" -- --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: powhwee@ncb.gov.sg (Tan Pow Hwee) Subject: Distributed Objects Message-ID: <1993Oct15.104817.22457@iti.gov.sg> Sender: news@iti.gov.sg (News Admin) Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 10:48:17 GMT Hi, I am looking for information regarding NeXT implementation of distributed object system. If you have information in this area, in particular its programming interface, please send it to me. Or point me to a source. Thanks! ph
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iesd.auc.dk (Christian Callsen) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) In-Reply-To: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu's message of Thu, 14 Oct 1993 14:15:06 GMT Message-ID: <CHRIS.93Oct15134821@svale.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Math & CS at Aalborg University References: <1993Oct14.121140.29365@almserv.uucp> <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 15 Oct 1993 12:48:21 GMT What I'd really like to see would be X-Wing for NeXTSTEP.. So far I have only seen it for PCs, and I think its pretty awesome.. Anyone heard any rumors??? -Chris -- __ | Christian J. Callsen [ chris@iesd.auc.dk ] / ) / | Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, / /_ __ o _ | Frederik Bajers Vej 7E, Aalborg University (__/ / /_/ (_<_/_)_ | 9220 Aalborg 0st, DENMARK {Sm:^>le and be Happy Today!}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbaur@blabel.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Christian Baur) Subject: Re: User.addresses? Message-ID: <1993Oct15.112519.15022@blabel.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Organization: Home of BlackLabel References: <1993Oct14.133249.1237@corona.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 11:25:19 GMT pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: >Is there a shell unix tool that will split large files like >.compressed into smaller files that can be cat'd back >together? I looked at the man page for split(1), but it >gives me the impression that it only works for text-oriented >files, not binary. The chunk utilities in /NextAdmin/Installer.app do what you want (There are no manpages but the usage is quite simple). cb -- [Christian Baur, Muenchen-Germany | A quick self destruct from the 21st floor] [cbaur@informatik.uni-muenchen.de | A smell of gas through the kitchen door]
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: DFax alive? Date: 15 Oct 1993 13:27:13 GMT Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech Distribution: world Message-ID: <29m8fh$kk8@news.gatech.edu> Keywords: fax, DFax, SupraFax I bought DFax from Total Systems Software sometime ago. I was one of their 'pre-release' customers. I use DFax with a SupraFax modem. Even though the original release was delayed several times, I was reasonably happy once I received and installed my copy. Now I am not happy with DFax, and am very reluctant to recommend it to anyone. I have had several problems that I will list here. The first problem is that it is often unreliable. I am never sure if a fax I sent out was delivered. If it has graphics (done in Virtuoso, which I really like, or other software) it sometimes sends it but not always. (I don't even try it now.) Support used to be prompt and good, but I guess they have other problems to worry about. The second problem concerns upgrades. A few months ago there was an article here announcing version 1.4 and how one might be able to download it. Since I use SLIP, I have not need for kermit or other such protocols. However, since kermit was the easiest option that I could use to dial up their number, after I received a special account for downloads, I installed kermit and tried to move the files. After a couple of failed attempts, I connected but the line dropped before the transfer was complete. Having already wasted time and money, with no guarantee that the telephone connection will stay intact, I gave up. I sent mail to Total Systems Software immediately, explaining the problem and asking for other options (such as paying for the upgrade disk and reasonable charges for shipping and handling). This was few months ago, and I am yet to hear anything. While they may have their reasons for using this method of downloading, which seems rather antiquated, especially when ARDI does such a nice job with ftp accessible upgrades for their nice product, Executor, I cannot see why DFax cannot be similarly upgraded. Perhaps the time has come for me to give up on DFax and get a copy of NXFax from Black and White Software, about which I have only heard good things. (When I paid for (not received) DFax, NXFax was not available for SupraFax, and I already had the modem.) govind I hesitated to post this, since I have been very reluctant to say anything bad about *any* NeXT developer/ISV. I even bought a copy of PasteUp several months ago, even though I didn't have an immediate need since I felt I had to support it. (I like PasteUp, and while I too am sorry to see RightBrain go, I wish Glenn Reid and his tribe well; I plan to upgrade from AFS.) T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873, 894 2301 (fax) NeXTmail welcome. - - (accent on o, a; da pronounced dha) TG, Govind OK (NOT Govin) Member, League for Programming Freedom (Info from: lpf@uunet.uu.net) ISyE-0205, Georgia Tech, 765 Ferst Drive, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205, USA.
From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webster from the command line-- Possible? Date: 15 Oct 1993 13:35:44 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- InterNetNews site Distribution: world Message-ID: <29m8vg$hjk@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <1993Oct14.124354.21801@prim.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <29h401$luv@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> I wrote: >> ... Puppeteer pops up a window on the NeXT screen. >> I told the author about this problem, but as far as >> I know it hasn't been fixed. and the author of Puppeteer, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths), answered: > > There's nothing I can do about it unfortunately. Puppeteer is just a way > of remotely controlling NeXT applications and the Webster puppet uses > the Webster application. There's no way to run NeXT applications if the > Workspace Manager isn't running. > > I hope NeXT addresses this in a future release and allows applications > to run without the WM in a similar way to redirecting the output of a > Unix command to /dev/null. > > Dave Griffiths Thanks for the clarification, Dave! Are you listening, NeXT? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DFax alive? Date: 15 Oct 1993 13:43:03 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <REUVEN.93Oct15094303@vongole.mit.edu> References: <29m8fh$kk8@news.gatech.edu> In-reply-to: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu's message of 15 Oct 1993 13:27:13 GMT I want to echo Govind's comments. DFax worked fairly well for me under NS 3.0, although it would have been nice if the program were able to notify me when faxes weren't sent. I have tried to download the upgraded software many (about 10) times, and haven't yet been successful. I've tried kermit, ASCII, and Zmodem, and not once has the transfer completed successfully. My e-mail to Total System Software asking about these problems has gone unanswered. I don't have a pressing need to send faxes from my computer at home. But it's nice to know that I can, especially when I paid about $100 to people who were working on such a program. It's not yet clear what I'm going to do about this, since it's clear that the TSS folks don't answer their e-mail. I guess I'll just have to fax things the old-fashioned way for now (printing and faxing from a "standard" machine). Which is really too bad. Reuven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: NeXT's hardware Price$ Message-ID: <CExz1E.9rH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <29kad4$2d8j@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 14:03:14 GMT In article <29kad4$2d8j@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> daniel@zac.itesm.mx(Daniel Ramirez Valdez) writes: > > Hi net! > > I'm just writing this to get information about a price. > Someone have a NeXTStation Color, 32 Mb RAM, 400 Mb HD, NeXTStep 3.0 and a NeXT > LaserPrinter, he asks me for $7,500 dlls., is the price fair? cheap? My gut feeling is that this is expensive. However, you shouldn't trust my gut. Check out comp.sys.next.marketplace. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: *HELP!* - Still having trouble with hard drive... Message-ID: <1993Oct15.154938.24396@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 15:49:38 GMT I've been getting occasional error messages with my hard drive for months now. I've done a complete reinstall from CD several times and also done "disk -F device" to do a low-level format. Here's the type of messages I get, below. The block numbers vary, but this is the general idea. Usually the messages come at night, suggesting a cron connection, but sometimes while I'm working - and when they start, I get dozens of them to the Console window. Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 779664; Partition a F.S. sector 389672 IO error on pageout: error = 5. vnode_pageout: failed! Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 147c0H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 83904; Partition a F.S. sector 41792 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): senóe key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 415920; Partition a F.S. sector 207800 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 658b0H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 415920; Partition a F.S. sector 207800 IO error on pageout: error = 5. vnode_pageout: failed! Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 9 reselect timeout - target 1 Target 4: BUSY; retry 1 Target 4: BUSY; retry 2 Target 4: BUSY; retry 3 Target 4: BUSY; retry 4 Target 4: BUSY; retry 5 Target 4: BUSY; retry 6 Target 4: BUSY; retry 7 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 428331; Partition a F.S. sector 214005 Target 4: BUSY; retry 8 Target 4: BUSY; retry 9 Target 4: BUSY; retry 10 Target 4: BUSY; retry 11 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 1 Target 4: BUSY; retry 12 Target 4: BUSY; retry 13 Target 4: BUSY; retry 14 Target 4: BUSY; retry 15 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 2 Target 4: BUSY; retry 16 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 779664; Partition a F.S. sector 389672 IO error on pageout: error = 5. vnode_pageout: failed! Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 779664; Partition a F.S. sector 389672 IO error on pageout: error = 5. vnode_pageout: failed! Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H re4ry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H 2etry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 779664; Partition a F.S. sector 389672 IO error on pageout: error = 5. vnode_pageout: failed! Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 3 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 4 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 5 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 6 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 7 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 8 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block 6892bH retry 9 sd0 (1,0): sense key:0x4 additional sense code:0x15 SCSI Block in error = 428331; Partition a F.S. sector 214005 IO error on pageout (bread) vnode_pageout: failed! Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 1 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 2 Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 3 This is the way the last one ended this time, after three retries. Any idea what's causing it? I was hoping a low-level format would fix it. What does **Partition a F.S. sector 214005** mean? What is an F.S. sector? What's going on, what type of problem is the drive having? Thanks in advance for the info. Rich
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65 Date: 15 Oct 93 15:50:13 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.750700213@ramazzotti> References: <29f51n$1j0@meaddata.meaddata.com> <1993Oct12.213640.3215@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >Michelle Buck writes [munch] >> Recent announcements in the NeXT community >> have caused me to wonder if I am just wasting my time, or are >> people really interested in such a game in the range of $65? [munch] >I'd pay that much for a good flight simulator. CD-ROM or internet >access would both be fine; floppy distribution would be OK as long as >it doesn't go over, say 4 floppies max. You're certainly not the only one.. A flight simulator or 3D space game is certainly missing. Way to go, Michelle! Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Did this work with your tbl? Message-ID: <1993Oct15.154209.28938@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <29jc4a$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 15:42:09 GMT In article <29jc4a$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: * Could people try this sequence thru tbl or any other like * tool and get back to me as to wether it worked? * It currently does not work in NeXTSTEP 3.1. This is from * the mwm.n man page. This problem is exhibited in the * Co-Xist 3 installation. I would be interested to know * wether Cub/X has the same problem since they all are probably * using the standard manual pages from the X11R5 distribution * and what ever Motif extra pages that have sourced. * So far all man pages that have tbl macros in them fail to * format passed the point where the macros lie. This in * effect gives me incomplete documentation. The reason it doesn't work on NEXTSTEP 3.1 (or any other version of NEXTSTEP, or any other version of TBL) is that the tables have already been expanded by TBL and don't need to be fed through TBL again. You should be able to just pump this file through TROFF or whatever and it ``should work''. Formatting tables on UNIX is covered in great detail in ``Typesetting Tables on the UNIX System'', by Mary McNabb and Henry McGilton, Trilithon Press. For more information on this book, please E-mail to info@trilithon.com. ........ Henry
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DFax alive? Date: 15 Oct 1993 17:36:08 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <29mn28$7mi@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <REUVEN.93Oct15094303@vongole.mit.edu> In article <REUVEN.93Oct15094303@vongole.mit.edu> reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) writes: [...] > My e-mail to Total System Software asking about these problems has gone > unanswered. Isn't Alembic Systems the VAR for DFax? Maybe they can help. Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Date: 15 Oct 1993 17:38:03 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <29mn5r$7q5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CHRIS.93Oct15134821@svale.iesd.auc.dk> In article <CHRIS.93Oct15134821@svale.iesd.auc.dk> chris@iesd.auc.dk (Christian Callsen) writes: > > What I'd really like to see would be X-Wing for NeXTSTEP.. So far I > have only seen it for PCs, and I think its pretty awesome.. > > Anyone heard any rumors??? A summary of this thread might be, "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME" :-) Looking forward to what the GameKit wizards come up with, Steve Weintz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) Subject: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 16:36:16 GMT There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. I simulated the super nintendo port under NS, and the simulator is being cleaned up for general release. It isn't exactly the same as the PC version, but it is still a top notch game. It will be released as pure shareware -- if you enjoy it, sedn us some $$$. We don't expect it to be a real income stream for us, but it is just the right thing to do. Doom (which is almost done!) has been developed entirely under NS, so there will propably be a full shareware release of that early next year. John Carmack Technical Director Id Software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Re: sounds formats .snd Message-ID: <1993Oct15.131840.1415@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. References: <1993Oct14.121541.29452@almserv.uucp> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 13:18:40 GMT In article <1993Oct14.121541.29452@almserv.uucp> s9uart@blackhole (Ried Thiel) writes: > In article <1993Oct13.200042.12328@leland.Stanford.EDU> > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > Waihon Andrew Kwong writes > > > Would anybody tell me if the NeXT ".snd" format the same as the > > > SUN ".au" format? how can I convert them back and forth? > > > > This is in the alt.binaries.sounds FAQ. The formats are identical; > > to "convert" them just rename them. > > > > -- > > - > > Stefano Pagiola > > Food Research Institute, Stanford University > > spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) > > spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) > > If the formats are identical how come when I rename .snd to .au it doesn't > play on our Sun's > > Ried NeXT .snd files can be more than one format. I'm not sure how many formats Sun's .au files can be (1 maybe?) but I know that .au formats are a subset of .snd formats. Therefore you can rename foo.au to foo.snd to play Sun files on the NeXT but not necessarily the other way around.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct15.170952.16565@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <29f6ns$638@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 17:09:52 GMT This thread earlier on described the .macros file (with all the control characters) and the "set macrofiles=~/.macros" (or whatever). This works fine for me on the NeXTStation (3.0) and has for many years. Just now trying to set up the same thing on a 3.1 Intel machine (Epson NX), it does NOT work for me. (Just returns a "A" in the command line and misses the control character (e.g., <ctl-P>) that follows.) Has anyone else seen this problem in 3.1/I? I suspect I just have something screwed up, but can't find it. -- Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc. NeXTMail: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov
From: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 15 Oct 1993 19:59:54 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <29mvfq$ocl@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> In article <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com>, ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: > > There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > > I simulated the super nintendo port under NS, and the simulator is being > cleaned up for general release. It isn't exactly the same as the PC > version, but it is still a top notch game. > > It will be released as pure shareware -- if you enjoy it, sedn us some > $$$. We don't expect it to be a real income stream for us, but it is just > the right thing to do. > > Doom (which is almost done!) has been developed entirely under NS, so > there will propably be a full shareware release of that early next year. > > John Carmack > Technical Director > Id Software I had read in GameByte electronic magazine that you guys were doing prototype work on Doom (Green and Pissed) on the NeXT. I had hoped against all hopes that you would release a version for the NeXT. This is the best news I've heard since Black Tuesday! Not only do we get Wolf-3D (THE best arcade game for the PC), but we *also* get Doom! Everyone, rejoice! This marks the beginning of the Beginning! To demonstrate how _happy_ I am, I'd like to pre-purchase _both_ games for my machine. Just let me know how, and I'll get you VISA numbers, AMEX numbers, bank codes, ... -jason ___________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darkwing.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
Message-ID: <=!%@byu.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:49:54 MDT From: yackd@texas.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <CHRIS.93Oct15134821@svale.iesd.auc.dk> <29mn5r$7q5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) In article <29mn5r$7q5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) writes: >A summary of this thread might be, "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME" >:-) > >Looking forward to what the GameKit wizards come up with, Me too. :-) Unfortunately, some of my GameKit development has temporarily stagnated due to a bit of consulting work I'm doing right now. Since the consulting pays the bills, and nearly no one bothers to register the shareware I've released, I have to go with the one that puts food on my table. I hope to get a game like crossfire done (sooner the better, I'm sure you'd agree) and out, but NX_Invaders and NX_Defender are also high on the list. Two others I'd really like to do: Lemmings, and, since the SimCity port isn't appearing anytime soon, I hope to do my own version with my own little twists in it. Ironic that I have done all those arcade style games when I much prefer to play Sim* games, isn't it? Also, I have a game called PipeWorks that I almost put out a year ago, but didn't due to the pleas of someone else who was developing a similar game (the same folks doing the SimCity port, as I recall) but since that game has yet to show up, I might just clean it up and release it after all. (The game is like xpipeman, or the Nintendo "Pipe Dream" if you know what those are...) Also, I've done some work on an advanced version of a game like LodeRunner. (It's better than GoldDigger, I assure you.) That one's about 40-50% done, but has sat for over six months due to lack of time... And all this stuff is GameKit based, of course. Geez, I've got a lot of stuff in progress; guess I oughtta release it, eh? :-) Oh, I'd give the games higher priority if someone would be willing to finance me to write them. $15 and hour, let's say. If I could have a steady 10-20hr/week at $15 and hour, I could afford to work like a _demon_ on GameKit stuff. Any takers? The only reason I've backed off right now is need for income; I'll work on whatever gives me the necessary income. Problem is, if you look at how many registrations have come in for my current crop of games, we're talking about <$1/hr of dev time, which just don't cover expenses unfortunately. So, if you like those games, please do take the time to register. I know that the market for the PillBottle and Columns types of games is limited; most would prefer an adventure, a Sim* game, or a flight simulator...and, believe me, I hear what you're asking for and eventaully hope to give you what you want. :-) Happy gaming, and do keep e-mailing me with suggestions of what you would like to see; it may take a while to get to all of it, but I do archive every suggestion I get, and work on the most popular ones first...they all remain in the "to do" queue. Those who know me personally will vouch for that... Know what else I'd _really_ like to have? A NeXT version of xpilot. :-) :-) :-) :-) What a great game! -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP devient serieux ?? Message-ID: <1993Oct15.203711.704@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <1993Oct15.093449.26646@cubx.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 20:37:11 GMT In article <1993Oct15.093449.26646@cubx.com> b_brottier@cubx.com writes: LE MONDE INFORMATIQUE PAGE 7 "NEXT a signe un accord avec la societe de conseil et de services KPMG Peat Marwick, qui devient un de ses principaux integrateurs de systemes aux etats unis. KPMG offrira une gamme de services autour de Nextstep. Elle prevoit de developper des librairies d'objets reutilisables" -- --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail] Ca remonte le moral... Malheureusement NeXT annonce de genre d'alliance avec maintes entreprises d'integration/consultation dite reconnues depuis le mois de mai dernier. Ca a commence avec HP, puis Logicon et Systemhouse et aujourd'hui on retrouve Peat Marwick (qui avait deja fait des rapports tres favorable a NeXTSTEP depuis 2 ans deja). Je serais plus heureux avec un nouveau directeur du Marketing chez NeXT que ce genre de cataplasme sur une jambe de bois. Yanik -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chung@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Chung Ng) Subject: Multiboot NeXTSTEP/Intel w/ OS/2 & Linux? Message-ID: <1993Oct15.232220.14339@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center) Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR. Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 23:22:20 GMT Hello, Is it possible to set up a multiboot so that NeXTSTEP, OS/2, and Linux can coexist on the same hard disk? If yes, how? If not, is it possible to create a floppy boot disk for NeXTSTEP so that I can boot from the floopy drive? Thanks for the info. in advance. Chung Ng -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ . | _____ | ____ | Chung Ng | | | \ | | | | | | | NCR -- El Segundo | | | \ | | | | | -- | Chung.Ng@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com | | | \_| | |_____ | | \ | 310-524-6440 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ctm@ardi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DFax alive? Keywords: fax, DFax, SupraFax Message-ID: <CEyp2K.4r8@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: 15 Oct 93 23:25:34 GMT Article-I.D.: cobra.CEyp2K.4r8 References: <29m8fh$kk8@news.gatech.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI In article <29m8fh$kk8@news.gatech.edu> tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) writes: ... >While they may have their reasons for using this method of downloading, >which seems rather antiquated, especially when ARDI does such a nice job >with ftp accessible upgrades for their nice product, Executor, I cannot >see why DFax cannot be similarly upgraded. ... We didn't make upgrades available via FTP until we canned our separate demo copy and merged the ability to run in demo mode (for 10 minutes at a crack) into Executor proper. It may be that DFax can't do that. We still send upgrades out by floppy, although a few percent of our customers will be getting them via FTP instead. NOTE: 1.3 is *not* ready yet. Some bugs showed up in our testing of Executor/DOS that are present in Executor/NEXTSTEP. They've since been fixed, and I'm hoping for code freeze on both products this weekend. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: BOOSC@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (Chris Boos) Subject: Q: SIngle User Mode (Fulklscreen console without GUI) Message-ID: <CEyw5K.H3w@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: ETH a school stuck in a dead city Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 01:58:29 GMT Hi... Well, this probably is an utterly stupid question.... I am trying to start NextStep (3.1 for Interl) in single User mode. Or shut down the GUI and get to a shell text-fullscreen... I cannot find any hints in the man-pages. Could somebody please help me ? Thanx.... Chris
From: awhite@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (Andrew White) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/FIP install woes Message-ID: <155075@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 16 Oct 93 01:48:02 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Social Science Computing, Univ. of Penn. Hello, net.world. I am looking for others out there who have had similar problems on similar Intel-based platforms with the NeXTStep 3.1 install. I have been experiencing random system lockups (sometimes System Panics, but more often the system just freezes). The specifics of my configuration: ALR Evolution/IVe EISA 66MHz 486/DX2, 256k RAM cache, 32MB RAM ATI 68800 Vesa Local Bus video adapter SMC Elite/16 ethernet adapter ProAudio Spectrum 16 sound adapter DPT 2022/90 EISA SCSI adapter (note: DPT says 2022 replaces 2012, and that the 2022 _is_ compatable with NS/i) Viewsonic 17 1600x1280ni monitor DEC internal 1GB SCSI-2 disk NEC CDR-74 CD-ROM drive I am running the system on a line-conditioned UPS, so I can rule out any electrical problems. Similarly, the machine works great with DOS and Windows. Things I have tried: 1. Install updated ATI video drivers 2. Remove sound card 3. Remove ethernet adapter 4. Check and recheck all SCSI parameters, cables, and termination. 5. Re-install (twice) 6. Replace system motherboard 7. Replace SIMMs I am about ready to give up and wait for 3.2. I am tired of these system freezes; they happen with regularity but not predictably. The system freezes both when I am and am not working on the system and seems to be independent of any particular application. These problems are particularly troublesome because I am trying to convince the powers-that-be to use NS/i in our Graduate Data Analysis labs as low-cost Unix workstations -- at this rate, that will never happen. Of course, ALR and NeXT have been of little help (ALR Tech support said that they did not even know that NS _ran_ on their machines!). Has _anyone_ out there either had the same/similar problems, or maybe has gotten a similar configuration _working_? If so, I'd really like to hear from you. -- Andrew White, Systems Manager : 351 McNeil Building : Two wheels good. Social Science Computing : Univ. of Pennsylvania : AWhite@McNeil.sas.upenn.edu : Phila., PA 19104-6209 : (215) 898-2451
From: bosborne@nature.BErkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: csplit example Date: 15 Oct 1993 23:46:38 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9310160348.AA21603@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> To the group, I submitted this question to some unix newsgroups, but no response, so I thought I'd try my NeXT friends instead. I realize that it's not entirely appropriate. I just compiled the gnu textutils on my NeXT. I'd like to use csplit on a file that has paragraphs all starting with "entry". When I try variations on csplit commands all I get is 2 files : One containing all the text up to to the first "entry" and a second with the remaining text, with many "entry"'s. Forgive my ignorance but how do I get this csplit to work, i.e. split the starting file many times? Here's an example of what doesn't work: csplit <theFile> /entry/ Thank you for your attention to this matter, ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <Oct.16.02.59.48.1993.17765@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 16 Oct 93 06:59:48 GMT References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: >There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. >I simulated the super nintendo port under NS, and the simulator is being >cleaned up for general release. It isn't exactly the same as the PC >version, but it is still a top notch game. >It will be released as pure shareware -- if you enjoy it, sedn us some >$$$. We don't expect it to be a real income stream for us, but it is just >the right thing to do. >Doom (which is almost done!) has been developed entirely under NS, so >there will propably be a full shareware release of that early next year. >John Carmack >Technical Director >Id Software (taking a cue from Howard Stern---King of ALL Media---Via Donahue) Come here, I want to kiss you on the lips ;-) No, Im not too game starved... Later, John
From: ccas57@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( "Gabor.Freivogel") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Info abut ZZVolume needed. Date: 16 Oct 1993 12:51:07 GMT Organization: University of Strathclyde Sender: ccas57@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( "A.Freivokel") Distribution: world Message-ID: <29oqnr$k8n@loch2.cc.strath.ac.uk> Hallo I am trying to get some info about ZZVolume, but I dont know how to get hold of any information. I have sent several e-mails in the last month to Alembic, but I have never received any answer. Can somebody tell me please, how and where can I get details about this product? Is a Demo available on some FTP sites? I was told that ZZVolume is a french product. Is there a way to cantact the this company directly? Thanks for any information. Gabor E mail (NeXT-mail) : ccas57@strath.ac.uk or gabor@architektur.uni-kassel.de
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 06:14:42 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct16.131442.806@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Icon tools? NEXTSTEP has by far the most impressive 3D shaded icons in the business, but the standard IconBuilder.app seems pretty limited in producing those effects. What tools are people using to produce icons for NEXTSTEP apps? Thanks --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: *HELP!* - Still having trouble with hard drive... Date: 16 Oct 1993 15:37:32 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <29p4fs$4ip@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1993Oct15.154938.24396@selway.umt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: > I've been getting occasional error messages with my hard drive >for months now. I've done a complete reinstall from CD several times >and also done "disk -F device" to do a low-level format. Here's the type >of messages I get, below. The block numbers vary, but this is the general >idea. Usually the messages come at night, suggesting a cron connection, >but sometimes while I'm working - and when they start, I get dozens of them >to the Console window. >Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 1 >Target 1: HARDWARE ERROR; block be590H retry 2 [...munch...] It looks like a termination problem of the scsi bus. It would be helpful if you include your configuration, disk drive type, other drives etc. Axel -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT MAIL) )o o( nicht weisst kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT Mail) \ | / was Du tust, FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mach's mit Eleganz!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct16.163728.13461@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <1993Oct15.170952.16565@newshost.lanl.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 16:37:28 GMT In article <1993Oct15.170952.16565@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > This thread earlier on described the .macros file (with all the > control characters) and the "set macrofiles=~/.macros" (or > whatever). > > This works fine for me on the NeXTStation (3.0) and has for many > years. Just now trying to set up the same thing on a 3.1 Intel > machine (Epson NX), it does NOT work for me. (Just returns a > "A" in the command line and misses the control character (e.g., > <ctl-P>) that follows.) > > Has anyone else seen this problem in 3.1/I? I suspect I just > have something screwed up, but can't find it. > I have the same situation - it works on my NeXT, but not on a Gateway running NS/I - the strange thing is that if I rlogin into a NeXT or a Sun from the Gateway, the arrow keys do work, so I suspect it might be something with the csh on NS/I - one of these days I'll put bash on it anyway so it's not that big of a deal. Also, ctl-p works for previous command, ctl-n for next, ctl-f and ctl-b for forward char and backward char, etc. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct16.201210.10025@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1993Oct16.163728.13461@netcom.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 20:12:10 GMT In article <1993Oct16.163728.13461@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: > In article <1993Oct15.170952.16565@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov > (Dick Silbar) writes: > > This thread earlier on described the .macros file (with all the > > control characters) and the "set macrofiles=~/.macros" (or > > whatever). > > > > This works fine for me on the NeXTStation (3.0) and has for many > > years. Just now trying to set up the same thing on a 3.1 Intel > > machine (Epson NX), it does NOT work for me. (Just returns a > > "A" in the command line and misses the control character (e.g., > > <ctl-P>) that follows.) > > > > Has anyone else seen this problem in 3.1/I? I suspect I just > > have something screwed up, but can't find it. > > > > I have the same situation - it works on my NeXT, but not on a Gateway running > NS/I - the strange thing is that if I rlogin into a NeXT or a Sun from the > Gateway, the arrow keys do work, so I suspect it might be something with the > csh on NS/I - one of these days I'll put bash on it anyway so it's not that big > of a deal. Also, ctl-p works for previous command, ctl-n for next, ctl-f and > ctl-b for forward char and backward char, etc. > -- > >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! > >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20 I answered Dick by e-mail. My situation is similar to Gordie's in that we have a homogeneous enviroment so both .macros files are needed. Incidentally, the format of the .macros file changed very slightly from 3.1 to 3.0 (or NeXT to Intel, we don't have 3.1 for NeXT hardware available). E-mail me if you want the .macros file for 3.1. -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Icon tools? Message-ID: <1993Oct16.185047.419@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1993Oct16.131442.806@corona.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 18:50:47 GMT In article <1993Oct16.131442.806@corona.com> pkron@corona.com writes: >NEXTSTEP has by far the most impressive 3D shaded icons in the business, but the standard IconBuilder.app seems pretty limited in producing those effects. What tools are people using to produce icons for NEXTSTEP apps? > >Thanks >--- >NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com >Corona Design, Inc. >P.O. Box 51022 >Seattle, WA 98115-1022 > I'd look at WetPaint for the simple stuff or TIFFany for wacky effects. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <1993Oct16.173606.6428@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 17:36:06 GMT In article <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: > There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > ...munch... I'm anticipating for an announcement in c.s.n.a! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: olivierl@rb-csd.SanDiego.NCR.COM () Subject: HELP ! Message-ID: <1993Oct16.222305.4520@donner.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> Sender: news@donner.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (News Owner) Organization: PM&S San Diego Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 22:23:05 GMT I apologize for my complete ignorance of the NeXT environement, but few years ago I was fascinated by what I red about the NeXT Workstations. I tried to be informed about the NeXt environement but since last Monday I've never used the "Magic Black Box". Actually, last Monday I bought (at a very very interesting price) probably one of the first NeXT. The configuration I have is : A NeXT with a 68030, 8Mb RAM, 600MB HD and an optical disk drive. No floppy, no CD-ROM. I have the NeXT environement 1.0, Interface Builder 1.0, Mathematica 1.0, ... Of course I'm happy because I realized a dream with this system, but I need some help. Because I'd like to upgrade my NeXT, I have so many questions : Is it possible to upgrade ? is it more expensive to upgrade this kind of configuration than to buy a PC and NEXTSTEP 3.1 ? Is it possible to find used parts ? For you who know very well this environement could you please send me some advise ? Thank you very much. ---------------------------------------------------------
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Screensaver.bundle Activation Message-ID: <22063@news.duke.edu> Date: 17 Oct 93 02:49:17 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu As the message header states. How does one activate the screensaver.bundle so it will work from the loginwindow for NeXTSTEP 3.1 for black hardware? Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screensaver.bundle Activation Date: 17 Oct 1993 03:40:12 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <29qeqs$al@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <22063@news.duke.edu> In article <22063@news.duke.edu>, <dblakele@acpub.duke.edu> wrote: >As the message header states. How does one activate the screensaver.bundle >so it will work from the loginwindow for NeXTSTEP 3.1 for black hardware? As root: dwrite loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled YES -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package. <---------]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screensaver.bundle Activation Date: 17 Oct 1993 03:43:44 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <29qf1g$fn@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <22063@news.duke.edu> In article <22063@news.duke.edu>, <dblakele@acpub.duke.edu> wrote: >As the message header states. How does one activate the screensaver.bundle >so it will work from the loginwindow for NeXTSTEP 3.1 for black hardware? Sorry, I forgot something: As root, do: dwrite loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled YES You may also want to do dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 120 or some other number (units are seconds), because the the default is 1800 (30 minutes). -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package. <---------]
From: teera@emunix.emich.edu (Teerawat Pawittranon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: COM2 on GW2000 66V Date: 17 Oct 1993 04:41:52 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310170944.AA00954@emunix.emich.edu> Hi I'm posting this article for a friend. He has GW2000 66V ( 1/2 year old?) with 24 meg, ATI w/ 2meg, IDE HD and 2 SCSI HDs on Adaptec 1542C plus a few more devices. He is having trouble getting his com2 port working in NeXT. It keeps complaining that there is irq conflict and the communication program on NeXt would not recognize the com2. BTW, he has been switching irq, disable ports, etc. and there is a conflit on his lpt2 port that he uses for his scanner (he had to disable ltp2 on motherboard and put in a new i/o and disabled other i/o ports on the new i/o card. I think com2 works fine when booted w/ other OS (I have to confirm with him again. Are there any GW owners who have had this problem? Thanks in advance for any info., Tee --
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 16 Oct 1993 11:18:16 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <29ol9o$lc@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> In article <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: > There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > > Doom (which is almost done!) has been developed entirely under NS, so > there will propably be a full shareware release of that early next year. > *WOW* Is the only thing I can say at this time... I've heard my little brother raving about Wolfenstein on a PC but I guess it will be much better on my NeXTstation. *WOW* Amazed, Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Date: 18 Oct 1993 02:53:03 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <29t0ef$ebj@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> In article <CEw4xA.J1G@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > ...Some of my favorite games are not video games. > For example, on the macintosh I've played: SimCity, Civilization, > Spaceward Ho, Strategic Conquest, and lots of others. > So I'd like to see some games of this nature... Hear, hear! For the record, the "WarKit" development group hopes to eventually support games like you discussed above. Our first release will focus more on traditional board wargames, but being able to do things like SimCity and Spacward Ho is important to us as well. We are chugging along slowly, though, so don't expect anything before January at the earliest. We hope to have a BOF at NeXTWorld Expo, though, where we'll build an actual wargame in real-time in Interface Builder :-) - Ernie P. For more details, finger wargamer@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu or check the archive at ftp.byu.edu:pub/next/war To join, email war-request@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) Subject: Re: 'limit' command has no effect? Message-ID: <CF2J8A.81K@research.canon.oz.au> Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <297god$sa4@hub.ucsb.edu> <1993Oct11.111920.645@gamelan> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 01:09:46 GMT thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) writes: > >I just limited stacksize to 0 (from zsh) and >tried the following: > >/bin/cat .cshrc >zsh: segmentation fault /bin/cat .cshrc > >So the limit DOES work. > All it shows is that *some* of the limits work, in this case stack size. Not all other resource limits operate correctly. Core file size work too but that's about it. -- Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
From: dgoodwin@carbon.denver.colorado.edu (Douglas R. Goodwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP Mail Encryption Message-ID: <8234@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Date: 18 Oct 93 04:59:44 GMT Sender: netnews@copper.denver.colorado.edu Friends, Avid newsreaders will recall that NeXT was planning to include a public key encryption "filter" in their 2.x version of Mail.app. This plan was undermined by our government who found NeXT's Mail encrytption to be more powerful then they preferred, asking NeXT to remove this feature from NeXTstep. Hacking around one evening I opened the Mail.app for a peek. Inside I found some interested objects and classes that are clearly meant to provide key encryption for NeXTmail. So have a look for yourself. Open Mail.app in your workspace using <command + shift + o> or use NextDeveloper/Demos/AppInspector.app for a look under the hood. Find the "EncryptKey" panel, the "cryptor" and "cryptbundle" objects and others. Interesting. Has anyone out there hacked a 'fully featured' NeXTmail using pgp23 as an encryption driver? Paranoid minds want to know. -Doug Goodwin -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQBNAiyrzRYAAAECAOzG1UphDyP7LFZes6/e7dy62lEH0MbpYsevT9GX+hTy5GzJ d47GQ3nxI7REYOMLnY/VGymDJINZco5EwWsE4l0ABRG0OERvdWdsYXMgUi4gR09P RFdJTiA8ZGdvb2R3aW5AY2FyYm9uLmRlbnZlci5jb2xvcmFkby5lZHU+ =9Hcz -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: How to do history scroll with arrow key? Message-ID: <1993Oct18.142242.8118@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1993Oct16.201210.10025@fnbc.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:22:42 GMT In article <1993Oct16.201210.10025@fnbc.com> drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) writes: > In article <1993Oct16.163728.13461@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie > Freedman) writes: > > In article <1993Oct15.170952.16565@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov > > (Dick Silbar) writes: > > > This thread earlier on described the .macros file (with all the > > > control characters) and the "set macrofiles=~/.macros" (or > > > whatever). > > > Here is the uuencoded file: begin 664 .macros.I386.uu <00$````0"D(!````#@I#`0````8*1`$````""@`` ` end As a comparison, here is the moto version: begin 664 .macros.MC680x0.uu <00````$0"D(````!#@I#`````08*1`````$""@`` ` end -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: doug_wiebe@next.com (Doug Wiebe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Multi-disk packages Date: 15 Oct 1993 20:29:38 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <29n17i$if1@rosie.next.com> References: <ARROUYE.93Oct14101413@petole.imag.fr> > Anyone know what's up with 3.1 and multi disk packages... I have > installed multi disk packages that were made under 3.0 or lower but > the ones I create under 3.1 seem to have a problem ejecting the first > disk.... > Any ideas???? > Shell scripts within the 3.1 Installer distribution are reputed to be > bugfull. The "solution" is either to make the package with 3.0 (which i > not possible for NS/FIP), or to manually install the archive, by > concatenating all tar files before extrcating them. The 3.1 Installer "package" script is not the problem. Installer "bom" (bill of materials) files changed from a textual format used in 2.X and 3.0 to a binary IXStoreFile-based format in 3.1. However, in 3.1 there is a bug in IXStoreFile that leaves a file descriptor for the backing file open after the IXStoreFile object is freed. This open fd prevents the ejection of the first floppy disk. Unfortunately this bug was not found until it was too late to fix for 3.1. It is fixed in subsequent releases. As mentioned in the included text above, NeXT recommends that developers use the 3.0 package script *in the case of multi-floppy packages.* The 3.1 package script does work whenever the package will not be distributed as a multi-floppy package. There is a downside to the workaround: m68k/i386 "fat" multi-floppy packages that are generated using the 3.0 package script must be installed fat by the customer since there is insufficient information in the textual bom to allow Installer to "thinstall" such a package. BTW, the 3.0 package script works OK under NS/FIP. On the customer side, the "generate a single on-line package from the floppy packages" technique mentioned above can be used in the unfortunate case where the customer receives a multi-floppy package generated without the workaround. Doug Wiebe Software Engineering NeXT Computer, Inc. P.S. Here is a (slightly bug-fixed) 3.0 package script for those who need it (NewsGrazer will probably wrap long lines in the script so it might take some editing on your end to unwrap those lines). ---------------------------------------------------------- #! /bin/csh -ef set prog = `/usr/bin/basename $0` set usage = "Usage: $prog [-B] [-f] root-dir info-file [tiff-file] [-d dest-dir]" set noglob # gather parameters if ($#argv == 0) then echo $usage exit(1) endif while ( $#argv > 0 ) switch ( $argv[1] ) case -d: if ( $?destDir ) then echo ${prog}: dest-dir parameter already set to ${destDir}. echo $usage exit(1) else if ( $#argv < 2 ) then echo ${prog}: -d option requires destination directory. echo $usage exit(1) else set destDir = $argv[2] shift; shift breaksw endif case -f: if ( $?rootDir ) then echo ${prog}: root-dir parameter already set to ${rootDir}. echo $usage exit(1) else if ( $#argv < 2 ) then echo ${prog}: -f option requires package root directory. echo $usage exit(1) else set rootDir = $argv[2] set fflag shift; shift breaksw endif case -B: set bigTarFlag shift breaksw case -*: echo ${prog}: Unknown option: $argv[1] echo $usage exit(1) case *.info: if ( $?info ) then echo ${prog}: info-file parameter already set to ${info}. echo $usage exit(1) else set info = "$argv[1]" shift breaksw endif case *.tiff: if ( $?tiff ) then echo ${prog}: tiff-file parameter already set to ${tiff}. echo $usage exit(1) else set tiff = "$argv[1]" shift breaksw endif default: if ( $?rootDir ) then echo ${prog}: unrecognized parameter: $argv[1] echo $usage exit(1) else set rootDir = "$argv[1]" shift breaksw endif endsw end # check for mandatory parameters if ( ! $?rootDir ) then echo ${prog}: missing root-dir parameter. echo $usage exit(1) else if ( ! $?info) then echo ${prog}: missing info-file parameter. echo $usage exit(1) endif # destDir gets default value if unset on command line if ( $?destDir ) then /bin/mkdirs $destDir else set destDir = `/bin/pwd` endif # derive the root name for the package from the root name of the info file set root = `/usr/bin/basename $info .info` # create package directory set pkg = ${destDir}/${root}.pkg echo Generating Installer package $pkg ... if ( -e $pkg ) /bin/rm -rf $pkg /bin/mkdirs -m 755 $pkg # tar and compress root directory to package archive set pkgArchive = $pkg/$root.tar.Z echo -n " creating package archive ... " if ( $?fflag ) then set pkgTop = ${rootDir:t} set parent = ${rootDir:h} if ( "$parent" == "$pkgTop" ) set parent = "." if ( $?bigTarFlag ) then (cd $parent; /NextAdmin/Installer.app/installer_bigtar cf - $pkgTop) | /usr/ucb/compress -f -c > $pkgArchive else (cd $parent; /bin/tar cf - $pkgTop) | /usr/ucb/compress -f -c > $pkgArchive endif else if ( $?bigTarFlag ) then (cd $rootDir; /NextAdmin/Installer.app/installer_bigtar cf - .) | /usr/ucb/compress -f -c > $pkgArchive else (cd $rootDir; /bin/tar cf - .) | /usr/ucb/compress -f -c > $pkgArchive endif endif /bin/chmod 444 $pkgArchive echo done. # copy info file to package set pkgInfo = $pkg/$root.info echo -n " copying ${info:t} ... " /bin/cp $info $pkgInfo /bin/chmod 444 $pkgInfo echo done. # copy tiff file to package if ( $?tiff ) then set pkgTiff = $pkg/$root.tiff echo -n " copying ${tiff:t} ... " /bin/cp $tiff $pkgTiff /bin/chmod 444 $pkgTiff echo done. endif # generate bom file set pkgBom = $pkg/$root.bom echo -n " generating bom file ... " if ( $?bigTarFlag ) then /usr/ucb/zcat $pkgArchive | /NextAdmin/Installer.app/installer_bigtar tvf - > $pkgBom else /usr/ucb/zcat $pkgArchive | /NextAdmin/Installer.app/installer_tar tvf - > $pkgBom endif /bin/chmod 444 $pkgArchive echo done. # generate sizes file set pkgSizes = $pkg/$root.sizes echo -n " generating sizes file ... " # compute number of files in package set numFiles = `/bin/cat $pkgBom | /usr/ucb/wc -l` # compute package size when compressed @ compressedSize = `/bin/du -s $pkg | /bin/awk '{print $1}'` @ compressedSize += 3 # add 1KB each for sizes, location, status files @ infoSize = `/bin/ls -s $pkgInfo | /bin/awk '{print $1}'` @ bomSize = `/bin/ls -s $pkgBom | /bin/awk '{print $1}'` if ( $?tiff ) then @ tiffSize = `/bin/ls -s $pkgTiff | /bin/awk '{print $1}'` else @ tiffSize = 0 endif @ installedSize = `/bin/du -s $rootDir | /bin/awk '{print $1}'` @ installedSize += $infoSize + $bomSize + $tiffSize + 3 # echo size parameters to sizes file echo NumFiles $numFiles > $pkgSizes echo InstalledSize $installedSize >> $pkgSizes echo CompressedSize $compressedSize >> $pkgSizes echo done. echo " ... finished generating $pkg." exit(0) # end package
From: grio@nextbbs.next.com (Dan Grillo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: SIngle User Mode (Fulklscreen console without GUI) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 00:21:58 PDT Organization: The NeXTanswers BBS +1 415/780-XXXX Distribution: world Message-ID: <BNZJBc5w165w@nextbbs.next.com> References: <CEyw5K.H3w@bernina.ethz.ch> BOOSC@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (Chris Boos) writes: > Well, this probably is an utterly stupid question.... I am trying to start > NextStep (3.1 for Interl) in single User mode. Or shut down the GUI and get t > a shell text-fullscreen... I cannot find any hints in the man-pages. Could > somebody please help me ? > Thanx.... > Chri Edit the file /etc/ttys and comment out the line that starts the windowserver, and uncomment the line that starts a getty on /dev/console. Or, type "console" into loginwindow. In 3.1 Intel the console does not implement terminal type "NeXT". This is fixed in 3.2. --Dan -- Sent from the NeXTanswers BBS, run by NeXT Computer, Inc. +1 415-780-XXXX
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 18 Oct 1993 17:38:08 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <29uka0$lop@rosie.next.com> References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> In article <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: > There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > > I simulated the super nintendo port under NS, and the simulator is being > cleaned up for general release. It isn't exactly the same as the PC > version, but it is still a top notch game. <munch> > John Carmack > Technical Director > Id Software Believe him... it's true! I've seen it, and all I can say is that it's great! This should finally put to rest all of the complaints that it's impossible to write good games on the NeXT. :-) Erik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep Message-ID: <1993Oct18.104937.22109@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <=!%@byu.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 10:49:37 GMT In article < yackd@texas.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) > writes: [...] > Know what else I'd _really_ like to have? A NeXT version of xpilot. > :-) :-) :-) :-) What a great game! Yeeeaaahhhh. Xpilot, the only thing I use our SS2/GX and X-Terminal for! Givvittouss! I'd pay $100 for it. No kidney :-) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Solaris 2.x
From: davida@hamlet.umd.edu (David Arnold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: SLIP - Help needed Date: 18 Oct 1993 12:19:59 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: na Message-ID: <29ufnf$j7n@hamlet.umd.edu> I am a consultant for the CSC here at the Univ. of Maryland, College Park. I was campus NeXT support until NeXT pulled their support from underneath me, so now I get along as best I can. I have a user who just called with a problem with Marble Teleconnect. He had a NeXTstation at home running 3.0 and decided to upgrade to 3.1. After he did so, the only thing he couldn't get back up and working was the M.T. software. He followed up with Marble, and they informed him that there was a problem with their software and the 3.1 kernel, so he was basically out of luck. They did not give him any indication that either a patch existed or that they would be fixing the problem. He called me in a panic, because he and others do real work on that system, and now he has no SLIP access anymore. Does anyone out there have either a patch for this problem, or know of alternate software he can use instead of Marble Teleconnect? If this is in a FAQ somewhere, just point me in the right direction. Thanks, David Arnold (301)405-7636 Inet: davida@umd5.umd.edu Consultant, CSC Bitnet: davida%umd5.umd.edu@cunyvm University of Maryland UUCP: uunet!umd5.umd.edu!davida College Park, MD 20742 NeXTmail: davida@anagram.umd.edu
From: monckton@arrow.mech.ubc.ca (Simon Monckton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X over serial line? Date: 18 Oct 1993 19:27:49 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <29uqnl$4up@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Keywords: X, serial communications Hello! I am wondering if there is a way (other than slip or PPP) to run X over a serial line (at 2400 baud). It seems to me that SLIP requires each user to be a IP node. This seems unnecessary since during telnet I am automatically given an IP number anyway...and running TCP/IP over serial line represents a lot of overhead for essentially graphical information. Is there an alternative that acts like,say, kermit in that it merely runs a serial session sending and receiving graphical info only? Thanks in advance Simon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: Motif for X found on Big Green CD Message-ID: <1993Oct18.131523.10494@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. References: <1993Oct13.015955.28627@selway.umt.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 13:15:23 GMT In article <1993Oct13.015955.28627@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: | | This is probably a FAQ, but I'm just wondering if there's a | public-domain version of Motif that will work with X as distributed | on BGCD. There is an olwm on there, and I think twm too, but no mwm. | I'd like to do some X-programming at home, but my agency only works | with Motif. Thanks in advance for the info. | | Rich Please, have a look in c.s.n.announce. There IS a low-cost, high-quality MOTIF solution working on NS/FIP and NS/48k --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP devient serieux ?? Message-ID: <1993Oct18.132120.10689@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. References: <1993Oct15.203711.704@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 13:21:20 GMT In article <1993Oct15.203711.704@CAM.ORG!planon> yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) writes: | In article <1993Oct15.093449.26646@cubx.com> b_brottier@cubx.com writes: | LE MONDE INFORMATIQUE PAGE 7 | | "NEXT a signe un accord avec la societe de conseil et de services KPMG Peat | Marwick, qui devient un de ses principaux integrateurs de systemes aux etats | unis. | KPMG offrira une gamme de services autour de Nextstep. Elle prevoit de | developper des librairies d'objets reutilisables" | | | -- | --------------------------- | Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager | Societe improve sa, | 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE | Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 | E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail] | | Ca remonte le moral... Malheureusement NeXT annonce de genre d'alliance avec maintes | entreprises d'integration/consultation dite reconnues depuis le mois de mai dernier. | | Ca a commence avec HP, puis Logicon et Systemhouse et aujourd'hui on retrouve Peat | Marwick (qui avait deja fait des rapports tres favorable a NeXTSTEP depuis 2 ans deja). | | Je serais plus heureux avec un nouveau directeur du Marketing chez NeXT que ce genre de | cataplasme sur une jambe de bois. | | Yanik | -- | Yanik Crepeau | Programmer | Planon Telexpertise | E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) Pas deproblemes, ici en Europe Dieter HESSE est en train de changer de vieilles habitudes...On verra a l'usage.. Par contre, il se fait aider maintenant par une charmante personne qui semble avoir une main de fer sous un sourire de velours. Ca aussi, ca change ;-) Plus serieusement, ce genre d'eclat des marketroids est du pipi de chat vis-a-vis d'autres coups d'eclats venant de chez SUN, Micro$ et cie. Saviez-vous que Windows NT permet le drag'n drop ??? Rendez-vous compte, il y a un DSP sur les Macs, maintenant ?!?! Etc, ect... La viabilite et la credibilite de NEXTSTEP en France passe par ce genre de baudruches tellement rassurantes... ;-)) BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <1993Oct18.185841.3321@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 18:58:41 GMT In article <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: > There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > > Doom (which is almost done!) has been developed entirely under NS, so > there will propably be a full shareware release of that early next year. Oh please say they will run on black hardware! -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com 212-513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\) -<-@
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David Peter) Subject: HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES Message-ID: <CF3rIn.E8o@beach.uucp> Sender: dpeter@beach.uucp (David Peter) Organization: HSD Inc. Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 17:06:23 GMT HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES HSD offers a complete line of professional desktop scanners, accessories and office productivity software for computers running NeXTSTEP at very competitive prices. During the months of October and Novermber HSD is offering special prices on four complete office productivity solutions which include scanners, software and accessories: Package #1 (Limited Quantity Available) HSD Scan-Office OCR System: $895 This package includes: - Scan-X Professional Grayscale Scanner - OCR Servant Software - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Package #2 (Limited Quantity Available) HSD Scan-Office Professional OCR System: $1295 This package includes: - Scan-X Professional Grayscale Scanner - Automatic Document Feeder - OCR Servant Software - HSD Spell Software - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Package #3 HSD Color Publishing System: $1195 This package includes: - Umax UC630 Color Scanner (24-bit color) - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Package #4 HSD Professional Color Publishing System with OCR: $1595 This package includes: - Umax UC630 Color Scanner (24-bit color) - Automatic Document Feeder - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - OCR Servant Software - HSD Spell Software - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v Prices available through November 31, 1993. Prices are per order. Orders may be paid for by company check or cashiers check (COD), or in advance by bank wire transfer or credit card unless credit terms have been approved with prior written authorization from HSD's financial department. Shipping is collect, FOB HSD's office, Sunnyvale, CA. International customers are responsible for payment of import duties and taxes required by your country. Purchase orders and telephone orders are accepted. Fax your purchase order to HSD at (408) 774-1402 or send it via electronic mail to sales@hsd.com. If you have any questions or would like to receive pricing and complete information about all HSD products for NeXTSTEP, please contact HSD Sales directly at (408) 774-1400, or send email to info@hsd.com. David Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTMAIL) (408) 774-1400 Phone (408) 774-1402 Fax -- Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc.
From: samurai@amber.hasc.ca (Darcy Brockbank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Librarian Questions Date: 18 Oct 1993 21:03:16 GMT Organization: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Distribution: world Message-ID: <29v0ak$90j@amber.hasc.ca> References: <29hcti$396@news.mic.ucla.edu> In article <29hcti$396@news.mic.ucla.edu> ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > And perhaps someone could explain why I cannot search for > > word1 and word2 > or word1 near/20 word2 > > In 5 years, NeXT has not added simple Boolean search logic to the Librarian. I think you can do word1 && word2. (Same for word1 || word2 ) - db
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUMMARY: Must have apps... Message-ID: <55530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 18 Oct 93 23:42:42 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I asked for responses for "must-have" apps which were free. I got the following responses. I do not know where DarkForest is. Also, I read a note saying that there is a program called layers and/or ulayers which is free. I did not find it on the ftp sites. If you know where DarkForest is or layers, please let me know. Mark Stankus From tyf@volga.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Mon Oct 11 11:45:09 1993 Received: from volga.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by oba.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.3) id AA25802 to mstankus; Mon, 11 Oct 93 11:45:07 PDT Received: from localhost (tyf@localhost) by volga.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.5/8.5) id LAA00133; Mon, 11 Oct 1993 11:44:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 11:44:33 -0700 From: Tin-Yau Fung <tyf@volga.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> Message-Id: <199310111844.LAA00133@volga.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: Must have apps? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc In-Reply-To: <55226@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Cc: Status: RO Content-Length: 828 X-Lines: 28 In article <55226@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> you write: >Hi, > >I think that there are a few FREE apps which fall in >a "must-have" category. These would include >the program which decompresses .Z files by clicking >on them and the program which manages tar files. > >Are there others? I just discovered slap (was term). Freeware/Shareware ImageViewer DarkForest MailService BackSpace.app SleepPrinter (useful to turn off the printer when not using it) Commercial Lotus Improv Mathematica Microphone Pro Diagram! I'm really looking forward to Pages and ExactlyWrite. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tin-Yau Fung @ UC Berkeley NeXTmail Addict! Email: tyfung@uclink, tyf@ucsee or tyf@parker.eecs + .berkeley.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From thompson@netcom.com Tue Oct 12 17:09:40 1993 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by oba.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.3) id AA00802 to mstankus; Tue, 12 Oct 93 17:09:40 PDT Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA02900; Tue, 12 Oct 93 17:09:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 17:09:46 -0700 From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Message-Id: <9310130009.AA02900@netcom2.netcom.com> To: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: Must have apps? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc In-Reply-To: <55226@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Cc: Status: RO Content-Length: 492 X-Lines: 13 Opener opens all .tar, .tar.z, .z, .gz, .zip, .lha, etc... Stuart awesome Terminal replacement TipTop not quite free, but a great, simple communications program PhoneTones keeps a phone list, dials thru the speaker, & prints Poste prints envelopes Hackers Webster-like dictionary for computer terms Digit calculator (or you might like RPNCalc, who knows) Paula plays Amiga .mod soundfiles (better than ModPlayer) And of course, all the games that are out there... :) good luck, Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: QUESTION: Big Ben sound for NS3.1? Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 18 Oct 93 17:13:28 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> I seem to recall that in the distant past someone mentioned a neat-oo "Big Ben chimes" application for NeXT such that at 15 minutes past, 30 past, 45 past, and on the hour, the traditional Big Ben bell sounds chimed out of the NeXT's speaker (this is for a NeXTcube w/ MegaPixel display). So I guess it would have to be a little app that sits in the background and monitors the system clock. Anyone know if this exists, and if so, where (i.e., anon ftp)? - bd * brian dear * coconut computing, inc. * brian@coconut.com *
From: nuss@news.gac.edu (Bradley S Nuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT-STEP Viper support? Date: 18 Oct 1993 21:04:26 -0500 Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College Message-ID: <29vhvaINN4sc@news.gac.edu> I am just getting into the NeXT-STEP for Intel phase, so I don't no too much about it. I heard that the current version (3.1 or 3.2) does not have support for the Diamond Viper. Perhaps someone could shed some light on this.... Or perhaps an idea of when they might be making a driver for the Viper. thanks. Bradley Nuss Gustavus Adolphus College St. Peter, MN e-mail: nuss@gac.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT-STEP Viper support? I am just getting into the NeXT-STEP for Intel phase, so I don't no too much about it. I heard that the current version (3.1 or 3.2) does not have support for the Diamond Viper. Perhaps someone could shed some light on this.... Or perhaps an idea of when they might be making a driver for the Viper. thanks. Bradley Nuss Gustavus Adolphus College St. Peter, MN e-mail: nuss@gac.edu
From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Keywords: SLIP, Teleconnect, Marble, Dead Message-ID: <29uv3s$4h9@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 18 Oct 93 20:42:36 GMT Article-I.D.: gaia.29uv3s$4h9 References: <29ufnf$j7n@hamlet.umd.edu> Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University I am using Marble Teleconnect with NS3.1 semi-successfully. I am not having any problems with incoming calls. However, I do have problems with outgoing calls that I initiate using e-mail. I must initiate the call with ftp, rlogin, or ping. I also re-installed Teleconnect but I am not sure that is needed. I've talked with Marble,too, and have gotten the impression that they will not be updating the Teleconnect product anytime soon, if ever. I have also talked with an engineer of the product who has been working on a v2.0 release. A much better product, more flexibility, good for dynamic IP addressing. Anyhow, Marble's consulting work is a higher priority than v2.0 of Teleconnect so work has stopped. Those are my impressions having talked with him. At this point, Marble needs some heat (phone calls etc.) and bad press on the Net to force them to complete the project. Also, another SLIP product needs to offered to compete or replace Teleconnect. Marble has been unsupportive, vage, and unreceptive to the needs of Teleconnect users. I do not recommand or support the purchase of their Teleconnect product for the NeXT community. DO NOT BUY THE TELECONNECT SLIP PRODUCT. I don't know about other Marble products, but Teleconnect is DEAD until we see some action from Marble. I would like to see updates of Teleconnect, as its GUI simplifies networking and is the reason I bought it. Is Teleconnect's failure a reflection of Marble's committment to other Marble products for NeXT community? - Tim - P.S. Marble bought the Touch.app from NeXT awhile ago. What ever became of it? Is it sitting on their shelf collecting dust? The Touch.app was a very intriguing piece of software that had lots of potential of making ftp sites transparent. Marble is fumbling the ball on this one. Looks like it'll never see the light of day. P.P.S. Marble gives me a bad taste in my mouth. In article <29ufnf$j7n@hamlet.umd.edu> davida@hamlet.umd.edu (David Arnold) writes: > > I am a consultant for the CSC here at the Univ. of Maryland, College > Park. I was campus NeXT support until NeXT pulled their support from > underneath me, so now I get along as best I can. > > I have a user who just called with a problem with Marble Teleconnect. > He had a NeXTstation at home running 3.0 and decided to upgrade to 3.1. > After he did so, the only thing he couldn't get back up and working was > the M.T. software. He followed up with Marble, and they informed him > that there was a problem with their software and the 3.1 kernel, so he > was basically out of luck. They did not give him any indication that > either a patch existed or that they would be fixing the problem. > > He called me in a panic, because he and others do real work on that > system, and now he has no SLIP access anymore. Does anyone out there > have either a patch for this problem, or know of alternate software > he can use instead of Marble Teleconnect? > > If this is in a FAQ somewhere, just point me in the right direction. > > Thanks, > David Arnold (301)405-7636 Inet: davida@umd5.umd.edu > Consultant, CSC Bitnet: davida%umd5.umd.edu@cunyvm > University of Maryland UUCP: uunet!umd5.umd.edu!davida > College Park, MD 20742 NeXTmail: davida@anagram.umd.edu -- --- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 19 Oct 1993 00:34:34 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <29vqoo$slo@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe -------------------------------------------------------------------- Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Date: 19 Oct 1993 00:42:12 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <29vr74$sme@digifix.digifix.com> References: <29uv3s$4h9@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> >Tim Pugh writes > Marble has been unsupportive, vage, and unreceptive >to the needs of Teleconnect users. I > do not recommand or support >the purchase of their Teleconnect product for the NeXT > community. >DO NOT BUY THE TELECONNECT SLIP PRODUCT. I don't know about other >Marble > products, but Teleconnect is DEAD until we see some action >from Marble. I would like to > see updates of Teleconnect, as >its GUI simplifies networking and is the reason I bought > it. >> > Is Teleconnect's failure a reflection of Marble's committment >to other Marble products > for NeXT community? This has been my experience with Marble in the past. A MUCH better implementation is Louis Mamakos DialupIP. Once DialupIP is set up, it just works. I've not had to tweak anything. New upgrades have been free and have also 'just worked'. If you want/need a commercial version of SLIP, get MorningStar PPP. It supports SLIP too, and they don't seem to be a 'Marble'ized company. If you just need SLIP use dialupIP. If you need CSLIP pay for dialupIP. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: X over serial line? In-Reply-To: monckton@arrow.mech.ubc.ca's message of 18 Oct 1993 19:27:49 GMT To: monckton@arrow.mech.ubc.ca (Simon Monckton) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Oct18210900@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <29uqnl$4up@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 01:08:59 GMT In article <29uqnl$4up@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> monckton@arrow.mech.ubc.ca (Simon Monckton) writes: I am wondering if there is a way (other than slip or PPP) to run X over a serial line (at 2400 baud). It seems to me that SLIP requires each user to be a IP node. This seems unnecessary since during telnet I am automatically given an IP number anyway...and running TCP/IP over serial line represents a lot of overhead for essentially graphical information. Is there an alternative that acts like,say, kermit in that it merely runs a serial session sending and receiving graphical info only? Yes, there is an alternative protocol which does exactly what you need called XRemote. The good news is that it is significantly faster than X over SLIP or PPP so that conceivably it might be usable for some simple applications even at rates as low as 2400 bps and that many of the more common terminal server already implement this protocol. The bad news is that I'm not aware of any XRemote client for the NeXT either as a standalone product or for use in conjunction with one of the available X servers. On the other hand it is worth pointing out that X over SLIP is surprisingly usable at 9.6 or 14.4 bps at least as far as text based applications like Emacs or Xterm are concerned. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,sci.math.symbolic From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Transfering Mathematica to NSI Message-ID: <CF56B8.6sC@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 11:23:31 GMT Has anybody tried to Xfer a Mathenatica license from black to white (for NSI) NeXT hardware? Is there any feedback on performance differences between the two platforms from Mma's point of view? -- john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.software From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Pkunzip 2.04g Message-ID: <1993Oct19.041947.3879@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 04:19:47 GMT I am wondering if anyone has seen source to unzip files in this new format? PLease let me know if you know something. THanks Wes -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group (UUCP and SENDMAIL Consultation) 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: QUESTION: Big Ben sound for NS3.1? Message-ID: <1993Oct19.071159.3035@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 07:11:59 GMT In article <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > > I seem to recall that in the distant past someone mentioned a neat-oo > "Big Ben chimes" application for NeXT such that at 15 minutes past, 30 > past, 45 past, and on the hour, the traditional Big Ben bell sounds chimed > out of the NeXT's speaker (this is for a NeXTcube w/ MegaPixel display). > So I guess it would have to be a little app that sits in the background > and monitors the system clock. Anyone know if this exists, and if so, > where (i.e., anon ftp)? > Now this could be a challenge. Big Ben sits not two miles from us here... :) -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Getting PC speaker to system beep Date: 19 Oct 1993 13:01:19 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2a0oev$3dm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Has anyone worked out how to get the PC's speaker to system beep? One my NeXTstep Intel machine has no available slot for a soundboard. Besides I already get enough RDP exceptions. Nonetheless, it's tough having any system beep. I know how to turn the speaker on and off and all that, but I wouldn't know where to begin fooling NS into using my code instead of playing a .snd file. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: ray@mayo.edu (Ray Ghanbari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting PC speaker to system beep Date: 19 Oct 1993 15:28:50 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <2a113i$f6f@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <2a0oev$3dm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <2a0oev$3dm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) writes: > Has anyone worked out how to get the PC's speaker to system beep? > [..] > -- > Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu > MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory > ---- NeXTmail always welcome ---- It took me a while to find this one as well. Goto Configure.app and goto the audio section. Hit Add and select System Beep Driver. You can now set the system beep from within Configure.app (I use 100ms duration at 980 Hz). Not the same as having full sound, but better than nothing. -- Ray Ghanbari Mayo Foundation ray@mayo.edu
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 08:58:26 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct19.155826.1443@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) References: <29vr74$sme@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > A MUCH better implementation is Louis Mamakos DialupIP. > Once DialupIP is set up, it just works. I've not had to > tweak anything. New upgrades have been free and have > also 'just worked'. Last I heard, DialupIP was waiting for the fixed Serial Driver before releasing an NS/I version. Does anyone know its current status, since the new driver was released? --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:03:39 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct19.160339.1451@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP devient serieux ?? References: <1993Oct18.132120.10689@cubx.com> b_brottier@cubx.com writes: > Saviez-vous que Windows NT permet le drag'n drop ??? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Got to love it! :^) --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Douglas Moore Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Message-ID: <CF5orv.4Ky@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 17:58:54 GMT References: <1993Oct19.155826.1443@corona.com> Reply-To: moor0002@student.tc.umn.edu Distribution: world Funny, I'm using Teleconnect on a 3.1 Station right now, and except for the error messages during bootup as it tries to configure 10 connections unsuccessfully, it works great. I guess my copy is broken... That having been said, the last I heard from Marble indeed said that this has been put on the back burner, somewhat disconcerning after having been told that an upgrade was coming soon when I bought the software in the first place. But please, encourage them, don't damn them for responding to the marketplace, I for one would actually like to see that upgrade. Doug Moore moor0002@gold.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: Info abut ZZVolume needed. Message-ID: <1993Oct17.215059.1944@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <29oqnr$k8n@loch2.cc.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 21:50:59 GMT In article <29oqnr$k8n@loch2.cc.strath.ac.uk> ccas57@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( "Gabor.Freivogel") writes: > > Hallo I am trying to get some info about ZZVolume, but I dont know how to get > hold of any information. I have sent several e-mails in the last month to Alembic, > but I have never received any answer. > > Can somebody tell me please, how and where can I get details about this product? > Is a Demo available on some FTP sites? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Take a look on ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de in Germany! -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Message-ID: <55553@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 19 Oct 93 17:59:51 GMT References: <29uv3s$4h9@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <29vr74$sme@digifix.digifix.com> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD In article <29vr74$sme@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: >[munch] > > > This has been my experience with Marble in the past. A MUCH better >implementation is Louis Mamakos DialupIP. Once DialupIP is set up, it just >works. I've not had to tweak anything. New upgrades have been free and >have also 'just worked'. > > If you want/need a commercial version of SLIP, get MorningStar PPP. It >supports SLIP too, and they don't seem to be a 'Marble'ized company. > > If you just need SLIP use dialupIP. If you need CSLIP pay for >dialupIP. > > > > >-- >- Scott Anguish - >sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) >next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) How much does dialupIP cost? Mark Stankus
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Solution: Getting PC speaker to system beep Date: 19 Oct 1993 18:29:30 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2a1bma$910@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <2a0oev$3dm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <2a0oev$3dm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I wrote: > Has anyone worked out how to get the PC's speaker to system beep? Thanks to David Bau and John Peterson for pointing out the system beep sound driver accessible from the Other Drivers panel of Configure.app. I added the driver and, sure enough, after my next RDP reboot, the system beeps appropriately. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: DavidKelman@abyss.niehs.nih.gov Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Message-ID: <DavidKelman.6.0@abyss.niehs.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health References: <29uv3s$4h9@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <29vr74$sme@digifix.digifix.com> <55553@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 19:48:18 GMT In article <55553@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: >In article <29vr74$sme@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: >>[munch] [stuff deleted] >How much does dialupIP cost? >Mark Stankus The non-CSLIP part is free. It's available on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/2.0/bin as SLIP19920904A.tar. The compressed SLIP, CSLIP, is shareware. David Kelman
From: shukin@jester.usask.ca (Geoff Shukin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 040 Board inside an 030Cube Date: 19 Oct 1993 19:06:53 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <2a1dsd$p1k@tribune.usask.ca> I am wondering if it is possible to put an 040 Motherboard into an aging 030 cude case. As there any pitfalls? If so, what. Thanks ps Does Anyone know where the FAQ went? FTPable? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Shukin | _ ___ | |\ | |_ \/ | step NeXT User and Proud of it. | | \| |_ /\ | rules! Windows: It's not NeXT, but... | My opinions are just that! (306) 933-6415 Phone | NeXTMail--> not yet: I am working on it. Internet address: shukin%am.max.umc@siast.sk.ca OR shukin@jester.usask.ca ________________________________________________________________________________
From: luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Must have apps... Date: 19 Oct 1993 20:13:49 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a1hpt$nk6@ftp.alleg.edu> References: <55530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> In article <55530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > I asked for responses for "must-have" apps which were free. > > I got the following responses. > > I do not know where DarkForest is. > I got DarkForest from cs.orst.edu under binaries/util. It is a truly must have for those of us who need to keep out disk space low. -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu [NeXT Mail Welcomed] Allegheny College -- Meadville PA USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoff Kuenning) Subject: Re: HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES Message-ID: <1993Oct19.173947.4521@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department References: <CF3rIn.E8o@beach.uucp> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:39:47 GMT I've been wondering for some time about the scanner market. I've got a laser printer, and a fax modem. A cheap copier costs a few hundred new; a cheap fax machine is in the same range. Both, of course, include what boils down to scanning capability, plus printing capability and (in one case) a fax modem. So why are scanners so relatively expensive? Why isn't there a product on the market that would allow me to turn my already-existing hardware into a full-fledged fax/copier, for about $200? (Or is there something I don't know about?) Is it because scanners always support grayscale, or because they have to have prodigious quantities of memory? I'm guessing that the real issue is quality (i.e., documents scanned by fax machines usually come out pretty bad), but I'd love a definitive answer. -- Geoff Kuenning geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HSD ANNOUNCES OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SCANNER BUNDLES Date: 19 Oct 1993 22:08:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a1oho$6q6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Oct19.173947.4521@cs.ucla.edu> In article <1993Oct19.173947.4521@cs.ucla.edu> geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoff Kuenning) writes: > I've been wondering for some time about the scanner market. I've got > a laser printer, and a fax modem. A cheap copier costs a few hundred > new; a cheap fax machine is in the same range. Both, of course, > include what boils down to scanning capability, plus printing > capability and (in one case) a fax modem. > > So why are scanners so relatively expensive? Why isn't there a > product on the market that would allow me to turn my already-existing > hardware into a full-fledged fax/copier, for about $200? (Or is there > something I don't know about?) Is it because scanners always support > grayscale, or because they have to have prodigious quantities of > memory? I'm guessing that the real issue is quality (i.e., documents > scanned by fax machines usually come out pretty bad), but I'd love a > definitive answer. Offhand, I'd say the big issue is resolution. Fax resolution is at best 150 x 200 dpi, often unusable for any image save text. The Canon CJ-10 Color BubbleJet Copier can act as a scanner and color printer (and GS Corp., formerly Goldleaf, sells a NeXTSTEP driver for it). As a color printer/copier it's got the highest resolution in its price range (say , under $12,000): 400 dpi. Trouble is, that's its maximum scanning resolution, too. If you're going to work with high-resolution imagery for scientific analysis, computer graphics, or DTP, that's not enough. the pixels are too big. Dedicated scanners easily give you 800 dpi, and resolutions up to 2400 dpi are available. My $0.02, Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: ramanan@patch.pnb.sunysb.edu (S. V. Ramanan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: SIngle User Mode (Fulklscreen console without GUI) Date: 19 Oct 1993 22:38:01 GMT Organization: Institute For Theoretical Physics Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a1q89$i0l@max.physics.sunysb.edu> References: <BNZJBc5w165w@nextbbs.next.com> BOOSC@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (Chris Boos) writes: > Well, this probably is an utterly stupid question.... I am trying to start > NextStep (3.1 for Interl) in single User mode. Or shut down the GUI and get t > a shell text-fullscreen... I cannot find any hints in the man-pages. Could > somebody please help me ? > Thanx.... > Chri I believe that at the boot prompt boot: -s entering -s as above gets you into single-user mode ramanan email: ramanan@patch.pnb.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bublitz@mdd.comm.mot.com (Martin Bublitz) Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Message-ID: <1993Oct20.013547.16474@mdd.comm.mot.com> Sender: news@mdd.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola, Wireless Data Group - Richmond, BC References: <55553@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 01:35:47 GMT In article <55553@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > How much does dialupIP cost? > > Mark Stankus From the dialupip order form included in their software dated May 2/92, single copies are $150 with discounts for multiple copies and educational pricing is $75. Martin Bublitz
From: schoi@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Samuel Choi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do you un-chunk? Message-ID: <155878@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 20 Oct 93 00:41:11 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: UPENN I was rather surprised and quite delighted to find that when I attempted to copy a large file on to a floppy disk, rather than telling me that there was not enough space the complete the operation the computer asked me whether I would like to create a compressed multi-volumed archive. Naturally I clicked yes and watched it go. I found two files (on two separate disks) with a .chunk extension and with a new icon. However, I could not figure out how to un-chunk these files. Double clicking only gave me the file inspector and unfortunately, there was no button like the ones which will uncompress and tar in the contents inspector. My uneducated guess is that a .chunk file is possibly a tar'ed, compressed and split file, but I didn't investigate that far. Does anyone know anything about this? I wasn't in the man pages nor in the little user manual which came with my 3.1 upgrade. Please email responses as I often miss articles on this group for some reason or another and I will summarize if anyone expresses interest. Thanks, Sam schoi@ccat.sas.upenn.edu -- "Die? I should say not, dear fellow. No Barrymore would allow such a conventional thing to happen to him." -- John Barrymore's dying words
From: smg@orb.com ("Samuel M. Goldberger") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Date: 20 Oct 1993 06:20:24 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Distribution: na Message-ID: <2a2lb8$c6e@nntp.crl.com> References: <1993Oct20.013547.16474@mdd.comm.mot.com> <discussion of SLIP/DialupIP/Marble deleted> I don't quite make out Marble's attitude. They continue to advertise Teleconnect in the magazines, but in my last conversation with them, I got the indication that there was to be no further development of Teleconnect. I like Louie's product, and his pricing philosophy, very much, and when used in conjunction with SlipCommander, it works very nicely indeed. I've not tried Morningstar's PPP as it is quite expensive. Has anyone tried the public domain PPP that's on the archives? However, like Tim Pugh, I liked Marble's interface, especially for monitoring log files. I think it would only have been polite to post to the net that Teleconnect was dead. Again, like Tim, I wish that "Touch" had been finished. I still use it (very gingerly, as you can completely hang your machine). However, if they don't want it, why not sell/give it to Millenium or Anderson to finish? I dunno. These are wierd times in the NeXT Community. -- Samuel M. Goldberger/smg@orb.com Spherical Solutions 47 Myrtle Avenue Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-2919--voice 415-381-9556--fax
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:05:38 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct20.030538.1735@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Slow TIFF printing We've been doing a lot of documenting recently, using Grab to take snapshots of windows and placing them into WordPerfect files. The problem is, that from 16-bit color Intel machines these .tiff files generate up to 1Mb of PostScript imaging data, and printing them over a parallel line to an HP LaserJet IV (PostScript) takes a couple minutes. The windows are large--perhaps 500X700 screen pixels-- and the printer is 600dpi, but it still seems that the print system ought to recognize that it is a B&W output device and transmit the images more efficiently. I will summarize any e-mailed suggestions. Thanks. --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bmhahn@poseidon.knoware.nl (Bernhard Hahn) Subject: Re: SLIP - Help needed (Is Marble Teleconnect Dead?!) Sender: news@knoware.nl (News Account) Message-ID: <CF70zn.J7F@knoware.nl> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 11:23:47 GMT References: <DavidKelman.6.0@abyss.niehs.nih.gov> Organization: Knoware Nederland Keywords: SLIP, Teleconnect Hello, I've Marble Teleconnect running on a standalone 68040 NeXTcube under NS 3.1 without any major problems. Telemonitor generates some error messages in the console, but without any harmful effect. There are also some UI bugs but they don't effect the functioning of the software. I'm dissappointed with Marbles software support too. I prefered Marble Teleconnect over some public domain or shareware implementation of SLIP because I expected a commercial product to offer more support. Only one of three faxes with request for support was answered. Questions were answered only partly and support ended with the suggestion to read a book about TCP/IP network management. Also the answers to some questions were just wrong or at least very misleading. After days of reading about the black arts of sendmail and NetInfo and digging in the FAQ's of the comp.sys.next, I found out that two extremly simple actions (linking sendmail.cf to sendmail.mailhost.cf and getting a public domain POP mail client called PopOver) were sufficient to solve all my installation problems. This were the answers I had expected from their support engineer. If Marble is no longer interested in continuing the development of Teleconnect, perhaps they can sell their software to a company who is really committed to NeXTSTEP, produces outstanding NeXTSTEP software, writes fine manuals and gives real support. (Lighthouse Design, Ltd. is one of the few companies to whom all of this applies). --- Bernhard Hahn Holtrichtersveld 802 7327 DG Apeldoorn The Netherlands Tel: +31-55-339220 Fax: +31-55-339220 email: bmhahn@poseidon.knoware.nl
From: schoi@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Samuel Choi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you un-chunk? Message-ID: <155927@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 20 Oct 93 04:21:02 GMT References: <155878@netnews.upenn.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN The answer to my question is embarrassingly simple. andrew abernathy <andrew@wire.gatech.edu> writes: >Simply copy one of the chunks back to the hard drive - it will prompt >for the additional disks as needed. I received a request to post this, so here it is. Sam -- "Hey! Who took the cork off my lunch??!" -- W. C. Fields
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help--icons don't look right in B&W Message-ID: <22259@news.duke.edu> Date: 20 Oct 93 14:26:38 GMT References: <1993Oct19.181649.1507@dart.de> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer I have some icons I created as 2-, 8-, and 12-bit; I set them that way right from the start in IconBuilder, before drawing a single pixel. While working on the icons I stayed in 12-bit mode. I thought I understood that the black-and-white dithered 2- and 8-bit images would be created automatically when I saved the 12-bit image. But when I look at the 2- and 8-bit images, some are only partially there and others are completely blank! I opened them in TIFFany to see if it could help me understand the problem, but they look the same there--no additional info. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong and how to fix them without completely re-drawing the icons? I posted about this problem a couple of weeks ago but got no replies. Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nwc (Nick Christopher) Subject: Re: sounds formats .snd Message-ID: <CF7920.JIw@ny.shl.com> Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. References: <1993Oct15.131840.1415@lkba.uucp> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:17:59 GMT > NeXT .snd files can be more than one format. I'm not sure how many formats > Sun's .au files can be (1 maybe?) but I know that .au formats are a subset > of .snd formats. Therefore you can rename foo.au to foo.snd to play Sun > files on the NeXT but not necessarily the other way around. I think Sun's .au can be a raw format that NeXT doesn't like. \n
Newsgroups: sci.math.symbolic,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Re: Transfering Mathematica to NSI Message-ID: <CF7D37.AnI@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC References: <CF56B8.6sC@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 15:45:07 GMT In article <CF56B8.6sC@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) writes: > Has anybody tried to Xfer a Mathenatica license from black to white (for NSI) > NeXT hardware? Is there any feedback on performance differences between the two > platforms from Mma's point of view? > > -- john m. > Well, after calling the WRI rep (who BTW was extremely helpfull and responsive) for the east coast at Boston, I was informed that the cost of the transfer will be $175.00/licence. They expect to ship in mid-November. Still have not heard any comments on performance differences between Mathematicas running on NeXT black and white hardware. Thanks to all the kind people that replied to my original posting. --jm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Permanently moving the recycler to lower left corner Message-ID: <22267@news.duke.edu> Date: 20 Oct 93 16:24:16 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu I remember a posting about this several months ago, but I neglected to keep it. Can someone remind me what the magic key-combination is in NS 3.1 to permanently glue my recycler to the lower-left corner of my screen? Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: bleimeyer@mayo.edu (Robert Bleimeyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Subject: Are there Ingres DB adaptors that run on NextStep for Intel Date: 20 Oct 1993 16:40:50 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <2a3pmi$3q4@fermat.mayo.edu> Keywords: DBkit,Ingres,NS-486 We have developed a database application for our clinical research center on NeXTSTEP. We are using the normal array of NeXT's objects, including DBkit. During development and beta testing, we have been using Sybase as the database engine. Our group currently deploys all of it's DBMS efforts in Ingres. Some of our relevant 'enterprise' information is in these Ingres databases, and we have good Ingres support within our group. While Sybase is workable, Ingres offers more to us for this application and has some strategic importance in other areas. As such, we would like to port our NeXT DBkit applications to an Ingres Server engine as soon as possible. We are aware of the DBConnect for Ingres adaptor from Pentultimate: Development (and/or Rathe Inc., depending to whom you talk) and have evaluated it for our purposes. The current release of the Ingres adaptor from penUltimate only runs on the black hardware. Given the fact our client requires Intel support, we have had discussions with penUltimate and it's partners to provide support for Ingres code. Due to pressures within our own project timetable and other factors too lengthy to address here. We are attempting to reevaluate our options in locating/developing technology to address the need for a suitable Ingres adapter. Another option is of course to remain with Sybase as a database engine within this project but that would require significant effort to bridge the Sybase and Ingres repositories here. We are seeking answers from the net to the following questions: Is there another Ingres (version 6.4 compliant) adaptor available or nearly available for NeXTSTEP for Intel? If so, can someone comment on their functionality? Is anybody interested in building an Ingres adaptor? Are you holding back because there is purportedly one on the market? Are you looking for some purchase commitments before undertaking development? Are there other users of penUltimate's Ingres adaptor that are looking for Intel support, or other enhancements to the adaptor? Please email me with the responses... I will summarize and repost if there is enough interest. ------------------------------------------------------ Robert R. Bleimeyer Internet: bleimeyer@mayo.edu Mayo Foundation 200 SW First Street Rochester, MN 55905 ------------------------------------------------------
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Librarian Questions Date: 20 Oct 1993 18:09:49 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a3utd$j2q@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <29hcti$396@news.mic.ucla.edu> <29v0ak$90j@amber.hasc.ca> Actually, the Boolean search works---except that it takes the whole document (rather than the same line). If NeXT were to split up documentation into smaller pieces, Boolean searches would be far more useful. Darcy Brockbank (samurai@amber.hasc.ca) wrote: : In article <29hcti$396@news.mic.ucla.edu> ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) : writes: : > And perhaps someone could explain why I cannot search for : > : > word1 and word2 : > or word1 near/20 word2 : > : > In 5 years, NeXT has not added simple Boolean search logic to the Librarian. : I think you can do word1 && word2. (Same for word1 || word2 ) : - db -- Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lucifer@netcom.com (Warren S. Edwards) Subject: Non-postscript printer support Message-ID: <luciferCF7G6y.9z@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 16:52:09 GMT Hi folks, I would like to get a decent printer for my NeXT but I cannot afford the mega bucks needed to buy a postscript printer. I would like to get a more affordable printer such as the Canon BubbleJet 200. I have heard mention of a program called Dots. Can anyone fill me in on this and how I could get it? Also, does anyone have, or know of how to get a driver for the BubbleJet or HP DeskJets? Has anyone successfully used either? Thanks in Advance. Warren Edwards IRIS West Inc. lucifer@netcom.com
From: schoi@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Samuel Choi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you un-chunk? Message-ID: <156082@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 20 Oct 93 18:34:54 GMT References: <155878@netnews.upenn.edu> <155927@netnews.upenn.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN Sorry, I should have included this in the previous message, but I just received this message this morning which more or less confirms that .chunk is little more than an automated compressed and split file, so here're the instruction to un-chunk for those without 3.1. altsys!lorinr@uunet.UU.NET (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >Just drag chunk one from the first disk to where you want the big file >to be. If you have to go back to 1 3.0 machine, you'll have to open >the .chunk wrapper (open as folder) and copy the file therin to a >place on your hard disk and do the same for all the other chunks. Than >cat them together to a file called <filename>.compressed. Then you can >uncompress that file. Call if you have questions. Sam -- Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
From: hsla@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: SLIP login script! Date: 20 Oct 1993 17:01 EDT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Sender: hsla@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (SHERRI TURNER) Distribution: na Message-ID: <20OCT199317011080@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Help! It may sound easy for you computer experts, but I have difficulty of modifying dialupip's login script to meet my host's requirement. MY host works as follows: Once I call, it prompts to request username, then password. Then I have to type in "slip" to set the host into the slip mode. After that I have to type in password again to really go into the slip mode. I will be grateful if anyone let me know how to modify the login.script to meet these requirements. To me SLIPCommand is helpless because of this difference. Many thanks in advance. hs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: Q: SIngle User Mode (Fulklscreen console without GUI) Message-ID: <CF7AJ3.1Fp@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <2a1q89$i0l@max.physics.sunysb.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:49:51 GMT In article <2a1q89$i0l@max.physics.sunysb.edu> ramanan@patch.pnb.sunysb.edu (S. V. Ramanan) writes: > BOOSC@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (Chris Boos) writes: > > Well, this probably is an utterly stupid question.... I am trying to > start > > NextStep (3.1 for Interl) in single User mode. Or shut down the GUI and > get t > > a shell text-fullscreen... I cannot find any hints in the man-pages. > Could > > somebody please help me ? > > Thanx.... > > Chri > > I believe that at the boot prompt > boot: -s > entering -s as above gets you into single-user mode > > ramanan > email: ramanan@patch.pnb.sunysb.edu Don't do that. I don't see any reason you would want to ever be in single user mode unless something has gone wrong with your machine. To get a full screen console (Like a Sun, etc...) type "console" as the username in the NeXT login panel. Then login as a user in the console. -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed Technologies, Inc. (508)-460-9612 Voice
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: sounds formats .snd Message-ID: <1993Oct21.001346.20351@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Oct15.131840.1415@lkba.uucp> <CF7920.JIw@ny.shl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 00:13:46 GMT In article <CF7920.JIw@ny.shl.com> nwc@ny.shl.com writes: >I think Sun's .au can be a raw format that NeXT doesn't like. As far as I know that was only for SunOS 4.0.3C (for the SPARCstation 1). They switched to a NeXT-compatible format with 4.1, and provided a conversion program called raw2audio. The NeXT equivalent looks something like sndconvert -o cooked.snd -f 1 -s 8012.8210513 -c 1 -r raw-sound -=EPS=-
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc Subject: NeXTstep Intel Trench Tale (Long!) Date: 21 Oct 1993 01:33:12 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2a4oso$fmk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> About 2 months ago, I had posted requesting info on putting together an Intel system for NeXTstep. I received a lot of helpful replies, and I have successfully built a great NeXTstep system. I would like to share my experiences and hopefully help out some people. Please note that these are just my experiences and opinions, and that all information may not be correct. First, I tried buying systems directly through Epson and Dell. Epson would only sell a complete system, fully loaded without any flexibility, for over $5000. Dell was willing to break up their system, but their prices were uncompetitive; for a DGX system with 50 Mhz 486 and JAWS graphics, 16 MB memory, no hard drive or controller, no floppy, and no monitor, they wanted over $3100. I decided to take the plunge and buy a clone system and install each component separately. Please note that this is NOT a trivial undertaking. No matter how carefully you plan, you should be prepared for the worst. You can save yourself a lot of problems by researching carefully into exactly what components will definitely work with NeXTstep. I bought a copy of Computer Shopper and subscribed to the misc.for-sale.computers newsgroup. Here are the components you will need: 1. motherboard with CPU and cache memory 2. memory 3. hard disk controller 4. hard drive 5. video card 6. monitor 7. Floppy disk controller (may include serial/parallel ports) 8. Floppy disk drive 9. Serial/Parallel card 10. Computer case 11. keyboard 12. mouse Not necessary but recommended: 13. CD-ROM drive 14. Sound board Here are the specific components I bought. I will describe each in turn: 1. AMI Enterprise VESA/EISA motherboard with 256k cache 2. 32 MB 70NS 4x9 SIMM memory 3. DPT 2022/95 EISA SCSI controller 4. Maxtor 1240S 1.2 GB SCSI-II hard drive 5. STB Pegasus VL graphics card with 4MB VRAM, using the S3-928 6. Monitor ?? 7. GSI Model 21 16 bit IDE/Floppy/Tape controller 8. Toshiba 2.88 MB floppy disk drive 9. 15550 UART 2 serial/1 parallel card 10. Mid-tower case with 250 watt power supply 11. IBM/Lexmark keyboard 12. Logitech PS/2 Mouse 13. Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM 14. Pro Audio Spectrum-16 1,2. Motherboard & memory: Be very careful which motherboard you choose. NeXTstep/Intel will not work with some makes. Make sure you know how many slots the board has, its physical size, BIOS, and the type of memory it uses. You should be wary of ultra-cheap motherboards from little-known companies in Taiwan. You get what you pay for. I ended up purchasing an AMI Enterprise motherboard populated with 32 MB of memory, used, through the net. It is a full size motherboard with a 486DX2/66, American made, with 256k cache, ZIF slot, and 16 SIMM slots arranged in 4 banks (just like the original cube) which accept standard 30 pin 70 NS 1x9 or 4x9 SIMMs. It even has a PS/2 style mouse port directly on the motherboard. I highly recommend this motherboard. It has worked perfectly, the documentation is clearly written, and everything is carefully marked. NXBench gives performance figures of: 57034 dhrystones/s 36.21 VAX Mips 3,4. SCSI controller and hard drive: Currently, NeXTstep only supports three SCSI controllers: Adaptec, BusLogic, and DPT. SCSI is not required since IDE will work, but SCSI has the advantages of speed and expendability (with up to 7 devices on the SCSI chain). In addition, a SCSI CD-ROM is REQUIRED in order to install NeXTstep. I bought the DPT 2022/95 controller new through the internet. This controller replaces the DPT 2012 controller, and has options for daughterboards for disk arrays and disk caching with up to 64 MB of memory. It actually uses a Motorola 68000 on the board. Another new model, the 2122, is available which uses a 68020, I believe, and which gives even faster performance when 3 or more heavily used devices are connected on the bus. The 2022/95 includes a built-in floppy interface; the 2022/90 does not. NeXTstep does not support this built-in floppy controller. It is a 32 bit SCSI-2 controller and takes full advantage of the EISA bus with bus mastering. I bought the Maxtor 1240S SCSI-2 hard drive through the internet. It is a small 3.5" drive with a speed of 6300 RPM and very good performance as reported by several PC magazines. Together, the DPT controller and the Maxtor drive have given excellent performance. Disk access is extremely fast and reliable. DrivePerformance.app gives figures of: Write: 1.0 Read: 3.6 - 4.0 This is a relative index compared to the performance of a Maxtor P1-17 drive on NeXT hardware. Note that read times may be spuriously high because of the memory I have installed on the system (48 megs during testing). I am very happy with the speed. I had problems with RDB exceptions when first installing the system. It turns out that the DPT 2022 controller needs a ROM upgrade to work with NeXTstep, and DPT tech support was able to send me the chips through the mail (but only after promising to send the chips twice and eventually shipping it overnight). I also was having intermittent problems with errors for a couple of weeks, which actually corrupted my NeXTstep partition and forced a clean rebuild. I suspected the SCSI cable and slowed down SCSI transfers to a maximum of 5 MB/sec through the Eisa Configuration Utility program, and I have not had any troubles since then. Performance subjectively feels just as fast, and DrivePerformance gives similar figures compared to before this change. 5,6. Video card and monitor: NeXTstep currently supports a number of different local bus video cards with the exception of the Diamond Viper. The ATI Ultra Pro VL is a popular choice, but many people have commented on its lackluster performance. Using VESA local bus for video is faster than EISA. When looking for a video card, I was pointed to a new card from STB called the Pegasus VL. It uses the S3-928 chip, BrookTree 485 RAMDAC, and comes with 4 MB VRAM. I contacted STB directly, and they said they had already given NeXT an evaluation unit and support for the card should be available by October '93 (this was in September). I was assured that it was 100% compatible with standard S3 drivers and SVGA drivers. I decided to buy it through mail order. With the Pegasus installed, in NeXTstep, the updated S3 driver shows resolutions up to 1280x1024 color. Selecting any resolution other than 800x600 color or 1024x768 grayscale produces a horizontally and vertically unstable image, though the login panel can be vaguely seen. A NeXT tech support person recently said that the Pegasus VL should be supported under 3.2 or soon after its release in early November. Under Windows, it works perfectly at all resolutions up to 1280x1024 65K color and 1600x1200 in 256 color. Here's what the Nov. '93 Windows Sources magazine says about the STB Pegasus: "This VL-Bus board uses the S3 928 accelerator chip, and also contains 4 MB of VRAM and a Brooktree RAMDAC. Multimedia text, graphics, and video simply sizzled across the screen. In our graphics benchmark test, the Pegasus posted a score of 44,414,105 at 800 by 600 with 65,000 colors and 52,809,061 at 1,024 by 768 with 256 colors. It was barely edged out by the Matrox board for top honors (but only by about 4 percent) and blew by the hot Viper board by 17 percent." In this same article, they reviewed the ALR Evolution/Pentium system with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VL and gave figures of 13,952,904 at 800x600x65K and 22,389,222 at 1024x768x256 colors. The Gateway 2000 with the ATI GUP XLR had a Winmark of 17,524,120 at 1024x768 256 colors. I hope NeXT provides a driver to take full advantage of this card. Currently, running NXBench with the S3 drivers at 800x600 4096 color gives figures of: line: 0.67298 (Index compared to a 68040 NeXT cube with 2 bit gray) arc/bezier: 0.64987 fill: 0.51508 transform: 1.36327 composite: 0.53671 userpath: 1.44120 text: 0.49018 window: 0.26341 Overall: 0.74159 I don't have a final choice of monitor for my system. I need to sell my 21" NeXT Megapixel first before buying a monitor. Currently, I am using a 15" flat-screen monitor by Comtel (?), which gives very nice color. The picture at 800x600 color looks great, though a little cramped. 800x600 on a 15" monitor is definitely very usable for NeXTstep. 7,8. Floppy controller and drive: Any generic floppy controller and 1.44 meg drives are supported under NeXTstep. 1.2 meg 5.25" drives are not supported. There is no provision for 2.88 meg drives or auto-eject. I purchased a GSI model 21 hard/floppy controller and a Toshiba 2.88 meg drive through the internet. The GSI controller has intelligent firmware that can be set while booting the computer to handle up to 4 floppy drives, 2 IDE hard drives, and 1 tape drive. Under DOS, it accepts 720k, 1.44 meg, and 2.88 meg floppy disks. Under NeXTstep, it serves as a 1.44 meg drive. However, putting a NeXTstep formatted 2.88 meg floppy into the drive brings up the Initialize panel. If and when NeXT updates the floppy driver to support 2.88 meg floppies, this controller will hopefully be supported. The GSI is a 16 bit card, and reading and writing to the floppy disk subjectively feels faster on both DOS and NeXTstep than when using another controller. Configuring the GSI controller hardware was very difficult. The memory addresses used by the GSI controller have to be at a lower address than the DPT SCSI controller, and the 2.88 meg drive has to be attached to the connector on the card that does NOT have media autosensing. Only then would it work under NeXTstep. From talking to GSI tech support, this is a problem with every unix system. It took me about two weeks to get this to work, and I had to use a generic floppy controller in the meantime. If I were doing it again, I would probably buy a cheap generic floppy disk and controller without all the hassle. 9. Serial/Parallel card: I bought a UART high-speed serial card with 2 serial and one parallel port through the internet. UART (15550) serial cards will work reliably at higher speeds, 19200 and faster. With the updated serial drivers from NeXT, it has worked perfectly with my modem at 19200 baud as well as with a serial mouse. 10. Computer case: I bought the computer case from computer shopper. I made sure I picked a case that was designed for my full-size motherboard. I also looked for one that allowed easy access to the inside, and the one I chose is an extra-wide mid-tower with one side that hinges out. The front face-plate also pulls off easily, and by removing 4 screws, the entire mount assembly for the disk drives pulls out through the front for easy installation. It also has a hinged door on the front to hide all the drive bays when not being used. I'm very happy with it. 11. Keyboard: I originally bought a Lexmark slim keyboard directly from Lexmark mail order. The keyboard has a great feel to it, and a distinctive "click", but that's personal preference. It was expensive, but I was happy with it until it broke down after about 2 weeks during routine transportation. Lexmark was EXTREMELY UNHELPFUL in exchanging the keyboard. With their policy and attitude, I would never recommend anybody buying ANYTHING from Lexmark. Since then, I bought an original IBM keyboard locally - and at much lower cost. 12. Mouse: Although serial mice will work under NeXTstep, a bus mouse or PS/2 mouse gives MUCH smoother performance. It is definitely worth the cost difference. I bought a Logitech PS/2 style mouse from a local computer store. I connected it directly to the mouse port on the AMI motherboard after drilling a hole in the back of the case for access to the port (thanks, Chuck!). It works great, and I personally like the feel of the Logitech mouse. I would also recommend the new Microsoft mouse for its shape and feel, though it is expensive. 13. CD-ROM drive: NeXTstep works with SCSI CD-ROM drives as well as wit IDE. Again, NeXTstep can only be installed from a SCSI drive. Double speed drives give faster transfer rates (300K/sec), and PhotoCD, multi-session drives are supported by NeXTstep using the included PhotoAlbum program. I bought a Toshiba 3401 double-speed SCSI CD-ROM through the internet. I connected it to the DPT SCSI controller, and it works superbly with both NeXTstep and DOS. It is front-mounting with a caddy, and is auto-eject. It has a very conveniently located set of jumpers on the back of the drive for changing the SCSI id. The only trouble I've had is in using audio CDs under NeXTstep. Inserting an audio CD launches the CDPlayer program, but the track display is incorrect, no music plays, and none of the buttons work except "Stop" and "Eject". It works fine under DOS for audio CDs. I've tried changing the SCSI ids without avail. Hard drive as id 0, CD-ROM as id 1 failed; HD as id 1, CD-ROM as id 2 failed; HD id 0, CD-ROM as id 6 failed; HD id 1, CD-ROM as id 6 failed. 14. Sound board: Currently, the only board supported under NeXTstep is the Pro Audio Spectrum 16. Under NeXTstep 3.2, there should be support for additional cards. Many people have had great difficulty getting audio to work reliably under NeXTstep. I bought the ProAudio Spectrum-16 through the internet. I have been very fortunate in that it has worked without any problems ever since initial installation, using IRQ 5 DMA 7. The ProAudio Spectrum also has a mini amplifier and speaker built in, so it even works when not connected to external speakers. The sound quality under NeXTstep has been excellent. I've been very happy with it. Every internal CD-ROM has a custom cable for connecting the audio output to the sound card. MediaVision sells the cables for each type of CD-ROM separately through mail order. This cable routes the sound output from the CD-ROM through the sound card out to the speakers. I bought this cable directly through MediaVision. Impressions: I am very pleased with the NeXTstep system I put together. Every component of the system was carefully selected and works well. It would have been very difficult to have this system made through a company in Computer Shopper. Believe me, I tried! Once NeXT has drivers available specifically for the STB Pegasus, video should be faster under NeXTstep, at resolutions up to 1280x1024 12 bit color. 1600x1200 8 bit grayscale could also be very useful. With 4 MB VRAM, it is capable of 1024x768 24 bit true color. I have the 1.2 GB drive partitioned into 400 MB for DOS/Windows, 800 MB NeXTstep. I use both on a daily basis. Cost: Now for the important information! I won't include the vendor names, and I won't include tax and shipping, but just give general figures. AMI Enterprise VESA/EISA with 32 MB RAM (used) $1850.00 DPT 2022/95 EISA SCSI controller 270.00 Maxtor 1240S 1.2 GB SCSI-II hard drive 1100.00 STB Pegasus VL graphics card with 4MB VRAM 650.00 15" Flat-Screen Comtel Monitor 415.00 GSI Model 21 16 bit IDE/Floppy/Tape controller 65.00 Toshiba 2.88 MB floppy disk drive 65.00 15550 UART 2 serial/1 parallel card 35.00 Mid-tower case with 250 watt power supply 110.00 IBM/Lexmark keyboard 70.00 Logitech PS/2 Mouse 50.00 Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM 400.00 Pro Audio Spectrum-16 125.00 Audio cable for Pro Audio Spectrum 10.00 NeXTstep 3.1 eval 300.00 -------- $5515.00 TOTAL Add some money to upgrade to a 21" monitor. Subtract some to take out the CD-ROM, sound card, high-end video card, 2.88 meg floppy, and 8 MB memory, and you still have a very usable NeXTstep system at a great price. Summary: Overall, NeXTstep is an absolute joy to use on this hardware, and the people at NeXT should be commended for their creation. If there is any justice in the computer world, NeXTstep should succeed. It's that good! There is no comparison with Windows; NeXTstep is a hundred times more fluid and intuitive. I hope this will be helpful to some people planning on putting together their own system. It's a rocky road, but the end result is well worth it. Believe me! If you have any questions, you may contact me by e-mail at mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu. Varun
From: chris@stokeisland.ohi.com (Christopher J. Traynor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: External Opticals and Internet Access Date: 21 Oct 1993 00:32:40 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310210517.AA01905@stokeisland.ohi.com> All: I have two questions that I don't believe are FAQ's. First, I need to buy an external optical drive for my color slab. I'm looking for a 128meg capacity for under $1200. I've heard of companies like Pinacle, Fujitsu and PLI, but I don't know which one is best, where to get the better price, and what that price is. Also, the drive I get has to be plug and play from the SCSI port. Second, I am currently using PSI for my mail service, but I want to go to another service that offers a local telephone number in Connecticut. I am shopping for a service that would preferably be live internet access, but mail is OK. If the number was local I would be willing to pay up to $200 per month for live access. If anyone knows of a service either on the east coast, in Connecticut, or through a university, I am open to suggestions. Is there a list somewhere that has service listings? On the optical drive question, I would appreciate responses as soon as possible as I need to purchase the drive by the end of the week. Please send all replies directly to me. Thanks in advance for any help...and please excuse me if my posting is not appropriate for this newsgroup. Cheers, Christopher Traynor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Mail Encryption Message-ID: <CF5xDG.rI@ensuing.com> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. References: <8234@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 21:08:03 GMT In article <8234@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> dgoodwin@carbon.denver.colorado.edu (Douglas R. Goodwin) writes: > Friends, > > Avid newsreaders will recall that NeXT was planning to include > a public key encryption "filter" in their 2.x version of Mail.app. Yes. Steve even demo'ed it at NeXTWORLD Expo in 92. However I seem to recall that it was 3.0 not 2.0 that had this feature. > This plan was undermined by our government who found NeXT's Mail > encrytption to be more powerful then they preferred, asking NeXT > to remove this feature from NeXTstep. > Oh, I thought it was the space aliens who killed JFK that made NeXT remove this feature.... > > Has anyone out there hacked a 'fully featured' NeXTmail Yes > using pgp23 as an encryption driver? No. -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: QUESTION: Big Ben sound for NS3.1? Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Date: 21 Oct 93 01:53:59 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct21.015359.14649@crash> References: <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> Brian Dear (coconut@crash.cts.com) wrote: : : I seem to recall that in the distant past someone mentioned a neat-oo : "Big Ben chimes" application for NeXT such that at 15 minutes past, 30 : past, 45 past, and on the hour, the traditional Big Ben bell sounds chimed : out of the NeXT's speaker (this is for a NeXTcube w/ MegaPixel display). : So I guess it would have to be a little app that sits in the background : and monitors the system clock. Anyone know if this exists, and if so, : where (i.e., anon ftp)? : : - bd : : * brian dear * coconut computing, inc. * brian@coconut.com * : Several folks NeXTmailed me the code to chimes.c written by Scott Hess. I compiled the code and it compiled fine. HOWEVER, upon rying to run the program, I get the following output: playscore reading /tmp/.bong010177.score... ...done Can't open DSP. I've tried everything. This is on a NeXTcube with 24MB RAM, running NS3.1. playscore is installed from NS2.1. Anyone know what's wrong? I can't find any processes messing around with the DSP, so I don't know why I am getting that error message. -- bd
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for Alpine Computer Info Date: 21 Oct 1993 14:31:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2a66fd$1pf@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Can someone send me Kris Magnusson's phone and email address at Alpine Computer? Thanks Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scheckel!tom (Tom Scheckel) Subject: Nextstation into Mac? Message-ID: <1993Oct21.012227.24214@scheckel.com> Sender: tom@scheckel.com Organization: Tom Scheckel Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 01:22:27 GMT I'm looking for info on a product to turn my NeXT into a full blown Mac Quatra 900. I hear that someone in Switzerland is making such a box. Any comments please e-mail tom@scheckel.com Tom Scheckel,thanks
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP/PA-RISC or 486/Pentium for NEXTSTEP, responses Date: 21 Oct 1993 15:02:27 GMT Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a68a3$v2@news.gatech.edu> Summary: Get 486; cheaper, NS already available. HP too expensive. Keywords: NEXTSTEP, PA-RISC, 486 Several weeks ago I sought net-wisdom to help me decide whether I should buy a 486/Pentium machine or an HP PA-RISC to run NEXTSTEP. I realize that NS is not yet available on the HP machines, of course. Since I am not fond of the '86 architecture, I thought I would buy an HP risc machine and take a chance on its running NEXTSTEP running well etc. After receiving several responses, which are appended to this article, and thinking over it, I am leaning towards buying a 486 machine. Among the reasons for my choice include: (1) NS is already available and has been running on it for a while, (2) architecture doesn't matter since I don't plan on doing any low level coding, (3) the extra price premium for Pentium is not worth it, since I can always upgrade latter, (4) HP is too expensive for me, and I don't know when NEXTSTEP will run on it, and (5) HP software is quite expensive. Therefore, unless some miraculous announcements from HP, NeXT, DEC, IBM, etc. come out soon, I will probably buy a 486 machine. :-) I appreciate all the help I received from the net. I thank Mark Hahn, Michael Graven, Craig Rasmussen, Steven McGrew, Nicolas Dore, Mark Sienkiewicz, Clay Goret, Peter Urka, Fons Rademakers, Derek Woolverton, and Olof Westman for taking the time to write. Your comments and ideas have been informative and useful. govind ______ Here is what I received from the folks mentioned above: _______________________________________________________ we've got a 735 and like it a lot. excellent FP performance, which I understand NS's display postscript uses a lot of. HP's frame-buffer implementation is also quite fast. don't buy one of the current machines, though, because there are probably quite a few nice low-end machines about to come out. > machine, which I believe is 715? Cost is important, of course. With > a color monitor and about 24 or 32 Meg/1 gig hard disk, I would like > a machine that costs no more than about $6,000. Am I crazy, or what? 1G -> 1000 32M -> 1200 display -> 1000 leaving less than $3800 for the computer proper. shouldn't be a problem. note that x86 machines make dandy unix boxes, especially running Linux. we have a $2000 gateway that's faster than the Sparc IPX's on campus. > Also, what about "hummingbird"? I haven't heard anything about it, even though it was described long ago in Microprocessor report. I'd think it would permit HP to make a nice $4000 machine to compete with alpha 21066-based machines and ppc. ..... (continuation in response to my question about 486/586) > options. If I don't mind the '86 derivatives and current > NEXTSTEP availability, I probably can't beat 486/Pentium > machines. Let's see what happens. with a 586 machine, you're paying a large premium for the newness. BTW, HP just increased their educational discount from 30% to 50%. _______________________________________________________________________ I've heard some rumblings around here that HP will be announcing some new machines based on PA-RISC in the *very* near future, i.e. before the end of the year. Supposedly, they'll blow the socks off the current 9000/7xx line at comparable or lower price. My source is a systems developer doing support for that new architecture. She wouldn't tell me more, but she was /very/ enthusiastic about this new machine's capabilities. It might be worth your while to wait a few more months: the prices on the current 9000/7xxs may be slashed in anticipation of the new release. That said, a fast EISA 486/50 with an accelerated card (ATI, etc.) and SCSI-II drives performs quite nicely, thank you very much. _______________________________________________________________________ The HP is a great machine with very nice software and is very fast. Definately beats a Intel machine. However, I don't think you can get one for much less that $10K, even with university discounts. _______________________________________________________________________ I have decided to go with a pentium machine. the ALR evolution V it is really quite nice. I have a Gig drive 16" flat monitor, 40 megs RAM and a 2 meg ati video card and get it all for around 7g's. Of course you could drop this by about 1000 by leaving out the graphics adapter and nicer monitor and perhaps going with a bit less RAM. I got the base configuration for a little under 2500$. It came with no drive no graphics adapter and 8 megs of RAM. Not a bad product at all. I have VERY few complaints. ....... (continuation in response to my question about monitor, disk, etc.) I have a Nanao F550-i-w and I like it very much. It has wonderful controls and a very flat anti-glare screen. I do think that the colors are a bit muted however that is a very minor problem. For the money I don't think that there is a better monitor out there (with the possible exception of the 5FG from NEC) however there is a large glare problem with that monitor. As far as drives go I have a toshiba (because of price mainly) I picked up a 1.2 gig for under 950$$. I think that maxtor drives are very nice as well as quantum drives. As far as the price primium for the pentium machines I think that you do end up paying a little more for the newer chip however as I said before I got a pentium machine for under 2500$ (stripped with 8 megs of RAM) that is not a bad price for 486 x66 machine with an ultra fast bus and design. I only have good things to say about my machine ALR evolution V. I wish it had an EiSA bus however you can't have everything. _______________________________________________________________________ Two comments: 1) Wait 'till Ns HP-PA is out until buying an HP machine: NeXT and HP have said all HP-PA machines will _NOT_ work with NS, so you might end up with an orphan after all. HP-PAs look nice, performance wise, thought... 2) By the time NS HP-PA comes out (Q2 94), NS should have been announced to other platforms (Alpha has been _forcefully_ confirmed to be by people who seemed knowlegeable, and PPC is always waiting in the wings...). That may widen further your horizons. But then, if you wait all your life, you'll always have reasons to continue waiting, and something better will always be around the corner. Ain't computers fun?!? Hope this doesn't confuse anymore. _______________________________________________________________________ > I would like to buy machine for >myself soon, even though I will continue to use the NeXT cubes. >I just don't like the Intel machines that are derivatives of the >'86 family, having been a VAX, Mac, and Sun person earlier. I would I don't like the Intel architecture, but I will admit that the 486's are pretty fast. I bought a 486 based PC to run a Unix-like system on and it works quite well. I use my HP710's and HP715's at work and I don't notice the difference in speed when I go home. I don't write machine code for either the HP or the 486, so the weird architecture doesn't bother me too much. 486 based Unix-like systems use only 1 segment of 4gb anyway, so you don't even see the worst of the architecture except when hacking VM code in the kernel. >So, here is the question. Would you recommend the low end HP (PA)RISC >machine, which I believe is 715? Cost is important, of course. With >a color monitor and about 24 or 32 Meg/1 gig hard disk, I would like >a machine that costs no more than about $6,000. Am I crazy, or what? If you want a color HP 700, you will spend far more than $6000. I considered buying an HP before I bought the PC clone. What I found was that I could have a grayscale HP 705 for roughly $6000, *assuming* the university could get me one at the educational discount. The color 710 was around $14000. Instead, I bought a 50 mhz 486 for $3000 and got the same amount of memory and disk as the HP, a color screen instead of grayscale, and expansion slots that you can plug cheap hardware into. I suggest you try Nextstep on whichever computer before you buy it. I tried Nextstep on the Next 68020 box, and it was just horribly underpowered. For example, it takes nearly a minute to log in. This may be bad configuration on the part of the local workstation labs, but you want to make sure the machine you are buying doesn't have similar problems. :) > (One >reason for thinking of this option is that if everyone else ditches >NeXT, I will at least have a decent processor etc.) You also might check out comp.os.386bsd.* and comp.os.linux for info on free unix-like operating systems for 386/486 machines. >One more question. Are software upgrades expensive? HP software was way expensive. It was $1200 or so for the C compiler for HPUX. Of course, educational discount is 90% (!). Good luck, whatever you go with. _______________________________________________________________________ I own (well, my office owns it actually) a HP 715/33. I have nothing but good things to say about it. It is extremely reliable and it SCREAMS. The machine I had before was a 425 (68040) and the 715 is easily twice at fast. There are also some 715/50 around the office and they are even faster. The prices for a 715 start around $5000, I believe. If it is in you budget, I could certainly recommend the 715 and the PA-RISC. As soon as the HP port is released, I plan to purchase one to give my color 'station at a home a helping hand. Hope I can afford one then :-). I have no affliation with HP or NeXT other than being a satisfied customer. _______________________________________________________________________ Hi, I read your thing in the c.s.n.misc and I thought I would regale you with fountains of advice and ask for a summary of your answers. 1. You might think about having to learn hp-ux, as that's what it's going to be based on, as opposed to bsd 4.3. 2. I saw an HP for $4000, but it had a puny hd and was mono about 4 months ago. 3. Please send me a summary or estimate of whether you think the HP route is the way to go, I'll be faced with the same decision soon. I wonder if NS/powerpc will be out by then though, if they release it. _______________________________________________________________________ a colleague and I both have bought privately a HP 700. I bought last year a HP710, 32MB, 19" color, 420 MB internal and 1.3 Gb external disk + DAT and my colleague both two months ago a 715, 16MB, 15" color, 525 internal disk. Personally I am very happy with the machine. At work I use a 720 with the same configuration as my 710. In the evening I take a DAT home with the latest version of my current project (not that I work every night -:)). A 710/715 is an extremely powerful single user WS. However, 32 MB are a minimum (third party upgrades go for about $1000 per 16 MB). Concerning software, the whole GNU suite works without problems. We both managed to get a 30% dicount. My colleague paid in the order of $7500. I paid quite a bit more (but I had a good sponsor). _______________________________________________________________________ There are several problems with the hp 715/33. First is price. You will not be able to get the system you listed for less than $10,000 and compiler/development tools are another $2,500. I don't know when or how much NeXT step will be for the HP either. There are options, but they require a lot of extra effort, and or friends who manage HPs and can load extra equipment (like CDROM drive) and offer advise. The only upsides are that a monocrome HP can be upgraded to a color system with the flip of a switch (not publicised by HP), and they are pretty fast machines. Less than an R4000 though. Maybe an ACER would be better. (running WinNT). _______________________________________________________________________ We have two four 720:s and two 715:s here. The 720 are 50 MHz and the 715 33 MHz. The processor in the 715 is younger and supposed to superscalar. If guided by the specmark figures of the two machines you can easily come to the conclusion that they have similar performance. 715 24.2int 45.0fp 720 36.4int 58.2fp Unfortunately there seems to be a LARGE difference in cache sizes. A 720 has 256/256kBytes but I do not have the specs for 715. Anyway the program I run which mainly consists of evaluation of sinus and fft:s takes between two and three times as long time to execute on a 715 as it takes on a 720. So maybe the 715 has not got such mean killer of a processor as you thought. If you just need integer performance I guess a 66MHz 486 is a potent rival.(I wouldn't know really). Our 715:s are configured as follows: 19" color (Trinitron) 32 MByte 525 MByte HD We paid something like $7,200 a piece. And I am under the impression that that was a pretty good deal. Universities have special discounts and the swedish universities had a deal that made it possible to use the pricelists from before the swedish crown lost 20% of its value. If you want to get a 1 megabyte harddisk and still pay only $6,000 I think you will have a hard time negotiating. My strongest argument against buying an HP is that you have to run HP_UX. But now that Next- Step will be available the 715 is probably a very nice machine. _______________________________________________________________________ T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873, 894 2301 (fax) NeXTmail welcome. - - (accent on o, a; da pronounced dha) TG, Govind OK (NOT Govin) Member, League for Programming Freedom (Info from: lpf@uunet.uu.net) ISyE-0205, Georgia Tech, 765 Ferst Drive, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205, USA.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: brian@cadaver.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian) Subject: Re: QUESTION: Big Ben sound for NS3.1? Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <CF974v.pHr@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 15:31:43 GMT References: <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> <1993Oct21.015359.14649@crash> Organization: University of Southern North Dakota, Hoople In article <1993Oct21.015359.14649@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >I compiled the code and it compiled fine. HOWEVER, upon rying >to run the program, I get the following output: > > playscore reading /tmp/.bong010177.score... > ...done > Can't open DSP. > >I've tried everything. This is on a NeXTcube with 24MB RAM, >running NS3.1. playscore is installed from NS2.1. I have playscore from NS3.1 since I did a brand new install on my NeXTstation. I cannot play any score files. Does anybody have a clue about the problem? -- Brian Glaeske glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Men Rule. Rap Sucks. Eat Fatty Food." The PIPC, Outland
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The Latest (Greatest?) Gateway 2000 Motherboard Date: 21 Oct 1993 17:20:14 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2a6gce$ao7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Let me tell y'all about my installation on the Gateway 2000 DX2/66 that I received two days ago. First of all, I saw a post about two weeks ago from Stefano Pagiola warning us that the newer Micronics motherboards that Gateway is now using are NOT NeXTstep compatible. I called Gateway at that time and they assured me that the only difference was a connector, so I let them deliver it anyway. So, the new machine arrives and I open it up to check out the motherboard. The new motherboard uses the same BIOS as the old one (Phoenix GJX-30), but all of the jumpers and DIP switches are different. The documentation that Gateway supplies is for the old one, so it is useless. So, too, is the NextAnswers Guide to the Gateway DX2/66. In particular, DIP switch #1 has exactly the opposite behavior as the manuals suggest, and Jumpers 6,7,and 20 have completely new assignments. Without changing ANY jumper settings or DIP switches, I tried to install NS on the machine. All I did was install my Adaptec 1542C and boot from the NS floppy. The installation went flawlessly. The system came up with the PS/2 keyboard and PS/2 mouse working. The ATI GUP - 2 MB VRAM does 1024 x 768 x 16 with no problems (note that I had to special order the VRAM version since Gateway is by default shipping a DRAM version now). I haven't tried the new ATI drivers yet. I ran it for about two hours, running all the demos, etc. without any RDP exceptions. With this simple configuration (Gateway DX2/66 + ATI GUP + Adaptec 1542C) I believe there are no problems. Before you get too comfy though, check out my next post. Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems with Gateway DX2/66 + 3COM Etherlink III Date: 21 Oct 1993 17:34:33 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2a6h79$avv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi. If you read my previous post, you know that NSI installs flawlessly on the latest Gateway 2000/Micronics motherboard. However, whenever I try to add my 3COM Etherlink III to the system it fails miserably due (apparently) to problems with the Real-Time-Clock. Shortly after the boot process registers en0, I get a message like: en0: Timeout - IRQ8 After 5 or 6 of these, the machine generally seizes on an RDP exception. At first, I was tempted to blame either the new Micronics motherboard, or the particular one that I received. Then I swapped my NS Harddrive into another machine which was previously running OS/2 with no problems. The second machine was a Gateway DX2/66 with the PREVIOUS version of the Micronics GJX-30 motherboard, ATI GUP W/ 2 MB VRAM, and 3COM Etherlink III. This machine displayed exactly the same symptoms. Note that the only hardware moved to the new machine was the harddisk, so I know that none of the hardware is "bad." Hence, I conclude that there is a problem with the combination of the Gateway GJX30 board (new and old) and the 3COM Elink3. This is why I was unreserved in recommending the new board in my previous post. Now, the older GJX30 boards have been around for a while, so I must not be the first to run into this problem. So I beseech of y'all, Has anybody gotten ANY ethernet board to work with the GJX-30 Micronics motherboard? If it's just a problem with the Elink3, I'll go out and buy a different board. By the way, I also have at my disposal an older Gateway DX2/66 with the MCM2 chipset. On that system, the 3COM Etherlink 3 works well. If anyone out there has a GJX-30 motherboard working with an ethernet adapter of any sort, please E-mail me. I will summarize to the net once I get the system working. Thanks in advance. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Mail Encryption Message-ID: <1993Oct21.122704.6212@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <CF5xDG.rI@ensuing.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 12:27:04 GMT In article <CF5xDG.rI@ensuing.com> Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com writes: > In article <8234@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> dgoodwin@carbon.denver.colorado.edu > (Douglas R. Goodwin) writes: > > Friends, > > > > > This plan was undermined by our government who found NeXT's Mail > > encrytption to be more powerful then they preferred, asking NeXT > > to remove this feature from NeXTstep. > > > > Oh, I thought it was the space aliens who killed JFK that made NeXT > remove this feature.... > The original author is closer than you are. The NeXT mail encryption system was finished and ready to ship. (It may have even been in a beta release). It turns out the government has export restrictions on cryptographic material under some kind of defense clause in trade laws. This means that NeXT could not ship the FEE based cryptographic system unless it was weakend in some way. I think there may have been a patent issue since the FEE key encryptio was done using some derivative of DES. NeXT could have shipped in the US but that would have required two seperate releases , one for US and one for the rest of the Galaxy. -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Must have apps... Date: 21 Oct 1993 18:18:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a6jp7$a13@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2a1hpt$nk6@ftp.alleg.edu> In article <2a1hpt$nk6@ftp.alleg.edu> luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: > In article <55530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) > writes: > > I asked for responses for "must-have" apps which were free. > > > > I got the following responses. > > > > I do not know where DarkForest is. > > > > I got DarkForest from cs.orst.edu under binaries/util. It is a truly > must have for those of us who need to keep out disk space low. > Does anybody know of a fat version or source code for DarkForest? I love the way the program looks and what it does, but I have white hardware now, and I am missing it. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,misc.forsale From: thibault@whatnext.uwlax.edu (Henry Thibault) Subject: NEXT PRINTER WANTED Message-ID: <1993Oct21.184724.19437@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Distribution: USA Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 18:47:24 GMT Anyone having a NeXT Postscript laser printer for sale please email me info about the printer (model, price, condition, remaining warranty, shipping terms, etc.) and how to get in touch with you (phone and snail mail address as well as internet address). Thanks. Henry Thibault thibault@csfac.uwlax.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Has anyone successfully run term/linecheck in NeXT(Black)? Message-ID: <1993Oct21.201845.25853@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 20:18:45 GMT Hi, Is there anybody run TERM and LINECHECK successfully? In the man page, it said: run remotely like: linecheck 2> remote.output locally: linecheck < /dev/modem > /dev/modem 2> local.output (replace modem by cuxx) After that I get in non-stop error message like: <unexpected packet> PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP .....continue What is wrong?ANy clue? I have the TERM running fine with the escape sequence in a wide range, which made my connect/response slow. I'm trying to run the linecheck to see what character I really need to escape to speed the thing up. Thanks in advance, Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: *.GZ file uncompress tool?? Message-ID: <1993Oct21.200257.27407@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: GZ Format Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 20:02:57 GMT What and where can I get a tool that uncompresses "*.gz" files? I am NeXTStep 3.0 on black hardware. Please let me know, O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: background Message-ID: <1993Oct19.165549.25017@yang.earlham.edu> From: apumpkin@rana.math.earlham.edu (Only Wanting Contact) Date: 19 Oct 93 16:55:48 EST Distribution: world Hello. I am looking for an application that will allow me to put a picture onto the background of the NeXT. This application would preferably be very similar to the ones that allow one to do this for the Mac. Thanks, Aaron G. Stock
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat@biocat1.iit.edu (pathikrit bandyopadhyay) Subject: xnext Message-ID: <1993Oct21.213837.2636@iitmax.iit.edu> Followup-To: pat@biocat1.iit.edu Keywords: x, xnext, xwindow,.................... Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 21:38:37 GMT i tried to get xnext from athena-dist.mit.edu and the readme file had this to say .......... ----------- "Unfortunately, XNeXT 0.9.2 does not work under Release 2.0 or greater. This is due to a change in the WindowServer in this release. Unfortunately, the feature which was removed is critical to the design of XNeXT. The good news is that there is a server recently made available for NeXT 2.0. I'm still working on locating the official distribution site. This server is free. There is alos a commercial product, Co-Xist, from Pencom. I only know it exists; I don't have any details. This is only a hint, I've never even used it. Marc" ------------- question: is there any place where i can find xnext that works for 2.1 ? thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: un zip'ping a file Message-ID: <CF95Co.3DA@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 14:53:11 GMT Hi, is there a way to uncompress file with a .zip extension, probably a dos file? Thanks, Fred Schenkelberg NeXTmail enjoyed fms@chemelex.com Redwood City, CA -- Fred Schenkelberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck) Subject: Need list of inexpensive low-end video for NS/I Message-ID: <BEFIB40C@math.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Newman Library, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 22:22:21 GMT I need a list of inexpensive video cards (pref. VLB, though ISA might be acceptable) capable of 1024x768x8-bit or 2-bit greyscale. By inexpensive I mean $100-150 or less. Does anyone know of any that work? Please reply by e-mail and I'll summarize. Thanks. -- Tim Buck "If I don't do anything I'm ashamed of, I won't timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu have anything to worry about. Now, getting rid rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu of the shame, that's the hard part."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: SUMMARY: Opinions Found on PARABASE Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 21 Oct 93 15:13:00 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct21.151300.19176@crash> Dear friends, I got a lot of responses regarding my "OPINIONS SOUGHT: Parabase" inquiry. Too many messages to reply to individually, I'm afraid. So I'm posting this summary to the dozens of folks who asked me to summarize my findings. Bottom line? I heard nothing but positive comments from real users who have bought and installed the product. The consensus seems to be that the GUPTA SQLBase is better than SYBASE. I was glad to hear this because our company has been considering buying the $2995 "Workgroup" package deal from PARABASE. The only complaints I got were of the following nature: "as with any high-level tool, every now and then you wish it was more flexible (i.e., programmable)" and a couple of complaints about being tedious to arrange format/fonts, etc. But as far as I am concerned, I am more interested in quickly cranking out some basic database applications for our NeXTSTEP network that don't force me to hire a database contract programmer. Everyone who uses the product seemed to praise its "programmerless" qualities and seems to put up with a few design flaws here and there. More important, really, than a committment to PARABASE for us is a committment to NeXTSTEP. We've enjoyed and benefitted from using it in our office environment for a few years. But with all the topsy-turvy stuff going on in 1993, we were beginning to question whether it was safe (or better yet, sane!) to stick with an OS that only 50,000 people use. The feedback we've gotten regarding PARABASE, plus the hope for products like PAGES, give us enough confidence to want to stick in there with NeXTSTEP for another round. So... bottom line -- we're ordering it. I hope others do too -- I like it when companies we buy from are getting lots of orders. That creates warm and fuzzy feelings, rather than RightBrain/ AppSoft anxieties :-). So, PARABASE, here we come! - bd brian dear / coconut computing, inc / brian@coconut.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: QUESTION: Big Ben sound for NS3.1? Message-ID: <1993Oct20.092319.734@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 09:23:19 GMT In article <1993Oct18.171328.7843@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > > I seem to recall that in the distant past someone mentioned a neat-oo > "Big Ben chimes" application for NeXT such that at 15 minutes past, 30 > past, 45 past, and on the hour, the traditional Big Ben bell sounds chimed > out of the NeXT's speaker (this is for a NeXTcube w/ MegaPixel display). > So I guess it would have to be a little app that sits in the background > and monitors the system clock. Anyone know if this exists, and if so, > where (i.e., anon ftp)? There is a neat little App, called 'Dimmer.app' on the archives. Actually it's the best screen saver available: it makes the screen black. AND: You can have 'Big Ben Sounds' every 1/4 h if you like. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Received my 3.1 Message-ID: <55695@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 21 Oct 93 23:12:36 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I just received my 3.1 upgrade for black hardware. I ordered it on the phone from NeXT on the last day of last month. Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <CF9Iq2.xD@alembicla.com> Sender: dave@alembicla.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Alembic Systems International, Ltd. References: <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 19:42:01 GMT In article <1993Oct15.163616.19984@nntpxfer.psi.com> ravens@idcube.idsoftware.com (Raven Software) writes: !> There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. !> This is a very cool game but always gives me motion sickness after about 20 minutes! -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Alembic Systems International, Los Angeles E: dave@AlembicLA.com -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Alembic Systems International, Los Angeles V: 310.371.6226 F: 310.371.0886
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Info abut ZZVolume needed. Message-ID: <CF9J8p.zt@alembicla.com> Sender: dave@alembicla.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Alembic Systems International, Ltd. References: <1993Oct17.215059.1944@kurt.in-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 19:53:12 GMT In article <1993Oct17.215059.1944@kurt.in-berlin.de> gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) writes: !> In article <29oqnr$k8n@loch2.cc.strath.ac.uk> ccas57@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( !> "Gabor.Freivogel") writes: !> > !> > Hallo I am trying to get some info about ZZVolume, but I dont know how !> to get !> > hold of any information. I have sent several e-mails in the last month !> to Alembic, !> > but I have never received any answer. !> > !> > Can somebody tell me please, how and where can I get details about this !> product? !> > Is a Demo available on some FTP sites? !> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !> !> Take a look on ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de in Germany! !> !> Or email Gery Divry at <gery@ares.fdn.org> -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Alembic Systems International, Los Angeles V: 310.371.6226 F: 310.371.0886 E: dave@AlembicLA.com -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Alembic Systems International, Los Angeles V: 310.371.6226 F: 310.371.0886
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Permanently moving the recycler to lower left corner Message-ID: <CF9JvJ.12G@alembicla.com> Sender: dave@alembicla.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Alembic Systems International, Ltd. References: <22267@news.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 20:06:54 GMT In article <22267@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: !> I remember a posting about this several months ago, but I neglected to keep it. !> Can someone remind me what the magic key-combination is in NS 3.1 to !> permanently glue my recycler to the lower-left corner of my screen? !> Just hold down the command key as you move it and it will stick in the Workspace. -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Alembic Systems International, Los Angeles V: 310.371.6226 F: 310.371.0886
From: mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 22 Oct 1993 02:13:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <CF9Iq2.xD@alembicla.com> In article <CF9Iq2.xD@alembicla.com> dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) writes: > !> There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > This is a very cool game but always gives me motion sickness after about 20 > minutes! Same here! I tried playing it on a 17" monitor on a DX2/66 and after about five minutes or so I became so ill I had to lie down for half an hour to recover. I don't mean a simple headache, I was sick in the stomach... every copy of Wolf-3D should come with a package of Drammamine. -- ========================================================================= Alex Currier | I get no kick from champagne... mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all NeXTmail capable! | but I get a kick out of UNIX. =========================================================================
From: icarus@wam.umd.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 22 Oct 1993 03:25:59 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > In article <CF9Iq2.xD@alembicla.com> dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) > writes: > > > !> There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > > > This is a very cool game but always gives me motion sickness after about 20 > > minutes! > > Same here! I tried playing it on a 17" monitor on a DX2/66 and after about > five minutes or so I became so ill I had to lie down for half an hour to > recover. I don't mean a simple headache, I was sick in the stomach... every > copy of Wolf-3D should come with a package of Drammamine. > > -- > ===================================================================== ==== > Alex Currier | I get no kick from champagne... > mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all > NeXTmail capable! | but I get a kick out of UNIX. > ===================================================================== ==== That's funny, I'm not a big fan of wolf-3D but I once played it about one hour straight and I didn't feel anything. Are you sure that your eyes are healthy? -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#DV,%QT>#$Y,C!<='@R.#@P7'1X M,S@T,%QT>#0X,#!<='@U-S8P7'1X-C<R,%QT>#<V.#!<='@X-C0P7'1X.38P M,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;#!<9G,R-"!);B!A<G1I8VQE(#PR83=F;#(D:FAQ0&=E M<F%L9&\N8V,N=71E>&%S+F5D=3X@;7EC<F]F=$!C;VQO=7)B;W@N=71E>&%S M+F5D=2`H06QE>"!#=7)R:65R*2!W<FET97,Z7`H^($EN(&%R=&EC;&4@/$-& M.4EQ,BYX1$!A;&5M8FEC;&$N8V]M/B!D879E0&%L96UB:6-L82YC;VTH1&%V M:60@5RX@1F%H<FYE>2D@(%P*/B!W<FET97,Z7`H^(%P*/B`^("$^(%1H97)E M('=I;&P@8F4@82!C;V]L(&=A;64@8V]M:6YG(&]U="!F;W(@3E,@<V]O;CH@ M(%=O;&9E;G-T96EN(#,M1"Y<"CX@7`H^(#X@5&AI<R!I<R!A('9E<GD@8V]O M;"!G86UE(&)U="!A;'=A>7,@9VEV97,@;64@;6]T:6]N('-I8VMN97-S(&%F M=&5R(&%B;W5T(#(P("!<"CX@/B!M:6YU=&5S(5P*/B!<"CX@4V%M92!H97)E M(2!)('1R:65D('!L87EI;F<@:70@;VX@82`Q-R(@;6]N:71O<B!O;B!A($18 M,B\V-B!A;F0@869T97(@86)O=70@(%P*/B!F:79E(&UI;G5T97,@;W(@<V\@ M22!B96-A;64@<V\@:6QL($D@:&%D('1O(&QI92!D;W=N(&9O<B!H86QF(&%N M(&AO=7(@=&\@(%P*/B!R96-O=F5R+B!)(&1O;B=T(&UE86X@82!S:6UP;&4@ M:&5A9&%C:&4L($D@=V%S('-I8VL@:6X@=&AE('-T;VUA8V@N+BX@979E<GD@ M(%P*/B!C;W!Y(&]F(%=O;&8M,T0@<VAO=6QD(&-O;64@=VET:"!A('!A8VMA M9V4@;V8@1')A;6UA;6EN92Y<"CX@7`H^("TM7`H^(#T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3U<"CX@($%L97@@0W5R<FEE<B`@("`@("`@("`@("`@ M("`@?"`@("`@("!)(&=E="!N;R!K:6-K(&9R;VT@8VAA;7!A9VYE+BXN("`@ M("`@("`@("`@("`@7`H^("!M>6-R;V9T0&-C=V8N8V,N=71E>&%S+F5D=2`@ M('P@("!M97)E(&%L8V]H;VP@9&]E<VXG="!T:')I;&P@;64@870@86QL7`H^ M("!.95A4;6%I;"!C87!A8FQE(0D@("`@("!\("`@("`@(&)U="!)(&=E="!A M(&MI8VL@;W5T(&]F(%5.25@N7`H^(#T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3U<"EP*5&AA="=S(&9U;FYY+"!))VT@;F]T(&$@8FEG(&9A;B!O9B!W M;VQF+3-$(&)U="!)(&]N8V4@<&QA>65D(&ET(&%B;W5T7`IO;F4@:&]U<B!S M=')A:6=H="!A;F0@22!D:61N)W0@9F5E;"!A;GET:&EN9RX@($%R92!Y;W4@ G<W5R92!T:&%T('EO=7)<"F5Y97,@87)E(&AE86QT:'D_7`H@"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: Optical Disk Read Problem-recent discussion-can somebody send recap Message-ID: <CF9F9J.AnC@califhistsoc.org> Keywords: Optical Disk Read Problem Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org (one) Organization: California Historical Society - Bringing the 19th Century, kicking and screaming, into the 21st! 415 567-1848 or fax 415 567-2394. Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 18:27:18 GMT There was recent discussion on the net about some opticals not reading correctly and there was great provision of fixes. My recollection is that it wasn't reading one of the boot blocks and there was a routine to read an alternate boot block. Would someone be kind enough to send along the information??? I should have known... Thanks for those potential saviors! rm@califhistsoc.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: robocop@lehre25.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Dirk Lehmann + Co) Subject: Major Problems with CD-CROM on NS 3.1 (Black) Message-ID: <1993Oct22.104909.15486@informatik.uni-bremen.de> Sender: robocop@lehre25 (Dirk Lehmann + Co) Organization: Universitaet Bremen Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 10:49:09 GMT Last weekend a might have found a big bug in NS 3.1 while accessing my CD-ROM(Apple150 = NeXT-drive). I only wanted to copy some data from a NOVA-CD to my harddisk via the Workspace, but after a while my machine hang up, by showing the busycursor. I could open the nmi-monitor but a reboot command couldn't stop my machine. So I had to pull the wire out of the machine. The same thing happend once again. The next time I tried to copy the files from the shell, but there also was no success. Also tar (later gtar) were not able to build an archive in my homedirectory. By double-clicking a rtfd-document on the CD , Edit opened with the warning : Filesystem Error !, while the Workspace-Inspector for rtfd-documents showed the correct content. In a shell I couldn't even list the directory of some folders. For those who want to backtrack the bug: Copying from Workspace /NOVA/Apps/Communications/pcomm (I guess) -> ~ ls -l in /NOVA/Demos/Graphics/Tesseract/Tesseract.app/English.lproj/Help/ or tar fcv ~/test.tar /NOVA/Demos/Graphics/Tesseract/Tesseract.app/English.lproj/Help Hope this bug isn't in 3.2 ! Dirk
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 00:39:35 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93295.003935U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Alpine Computer Info References: <2a66fd$1pf@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> In article <2a66fd$1pf@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) says: > >Can someone send me Kris Magnusson's phone >and email address at Alpine Computer? the phone for alpine computing microage is 801.268.8877. btw, if your interested in NS/FIP solutions, alpine has to have one of the most organized catalogs out there. kris magnusson has compiled a list of their available solutions and made it available as a 20 page .ps document. i picked it up from ftp.byu.edu in /pub/next/submissions (it might have migrated since then.) this catalog includes complete desktop systems as well as portable systems, NS-compatible peripherals, and third-party products. i have used alpine/magnusson as a source before, and it's good to see that they're advancing decisively on the NS front. >Thanks sure. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: un zip'ping a file Message-ID: <CFAt9y.4sD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <CF95Co.3DA@chemelex.com> Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 12:27:34 GMT In article <CF95Co.3DA@chemelex.com> fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) writes: > Hi, is there a way to uncompress file with a .zip extension, > probably a dos file? Sure. Find Opener.app on one of the archives. It will uncompress/open almost anything you throw at it. That is, it has worked with everything I've thrown at it. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 22 Oct 1993 12:27:49 GMT Organization: University of Florida Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a8jk5INNof1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> References: <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> > > >In article <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> icarus@wam.umd.edu writes: >In article <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: [chew] >> Same here! I tried playing it on a 17" monitor on a DX2/66 and after about >> five minutes or so I became so ill I had to lie down for half an hour to >> recover. I don't mean a simple headache, I was sick in the stomach... every >> copy of Wolf-3D should come with a package of Drammamine. >> [chew] >That's funny, I'm not a big fan of wolf-3D but I once played it about >one hour straight and I didn't feel anything. Are you sure that your >eyes are healthy? > Maybe it wasn't the motion (which was very good), but rather all the blood, guts and gore. I've played this game and enjoyed it, but I played on the lowest level of gore (do I have this right? you can set the level for the game, right?). That is my biggest complaint about the game. I'm glad that they have an option to set this level to what you want. (It does have this right? I guess it's been a while.) In a related story, I'd like to see games like the Sierra stuff: King's Quest I-VI, Hero's Quest, Leisure Suit Larry, etc. I prefer these puzzle/challenge games much more than the slash `em up kind. Maybe I'll call Sierra. -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bmhahn@poseidon.knoware.nl (Bernhard Hahn) Subject: Re: Nextstation into Mac? Sender: news@knoware.nl (News Account) Message-ID: <CFALCC.3qK@knoware.nl> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 09:36:11 GMT References: <1993Oct21.012227.24214@scheckel.com> Organization: Knoware Nederland Keywords: DayDream In article <1993Oct21.012227.24214@scheckel.com> scheckel!tom (Tom Scheckel) writes: > I'm looking for info on a product to turn my NeXT into a full blown Mac > Quatra 900. I hear that someone in Switzerland is making such a box. > Any comments please e-mail > tom@scheckel.com > Tom Scheckel,thanks The product is called DayDream and this is the company: -------------------------------------------------------------------- QUIX Computerware AG, P.O. Box 306, 6030 Ebikon-Lucerne, Switzerland quix@applelink.apple.com Fax 011-41-41-348680 From: Andy Grawehr If you send us e-mail, please include your name in the subject line! -------------------------------------------------------------------- On request they email you a description of the product. --- Bernhard Hahn Holtrichtersveld 802 7327 DG Apeldoorn The Netherlands Tel: +31-55-339220 Fax: +31-55-339220 email: bmhahn@poseidon.knoware.nl
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: *.GZ file uncompress tool?? Message-ID: <22399@news.duke.edu> Date: 22 Oct 93 13:49:31 GMT References: <1993Oct21.200257.27407@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Oscar Brooks writes > > What and where can I get a tool that uncompresses > "*.gz" files? I am NeXTStep 3.0 on black hardware. > > Please let me know, You can get Opener.app by anonymous ftp from cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/binaries/util. It handles .z, .Z, .gz, .hqx, and a slew of other compression formats. Once you have installed Opener, all you need to do is double-click on the desired file and Opener will recognize it and do the de-compression for you. You can also use it to create compressed files by dragging the file icon(s) onto Opener's icon. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: TERM question Message-ID: <1993Oct22.144000.26997@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 14:40:00 GMT Hi, Is there anybody using TERM on NeXT? I use it with TipTop and it works fine when I connect my NeXT(at home) to a SUN Sparc(at school). However, when I in school and want to connect back home, the terminal is a mess. I mean I have something like this: ---------- [26] trsh Remote: term 1.0.7 tty /dev/ttyp4. Exec /bin/csh hsuti> expect* ncftp* term.exp* tredir* tupload* linecheck* term* tmon* trsh* txconn* hsuti> ---------- I tried to set the "term" to vt100, but this doesn't help. Anybody have a clue? Also, well I type in something, it does echo and show me what I have typed.... Thanks in advance. Andy
From: hugunin@mtl.mit.edu (James Hugunin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: System panics on login (Black Hardware) Date: 22 Oct 1993 14:59:17 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2a8sg5$4r9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> We have a network of entirely black hardware which was fairly recently upgraded to 3.1. For the last week or so, whenever somebody logs in, there is about a 5% chance that the machine they log into will system panic. There seems to be some possible correlation between these crashes and trying to read mail before the Workspace has finished coming up. The trace of /usr/adm/messages for one of these panics is as follows: Oct 22 10:03:32 augustus loginwindow[4867]: loginwindow: running /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/Workspace Oct 22 10:03:32 augustus Workspace[4867]: logged in Oct 22 10:04:01 augustus mach: panic: (Cpu 0) fp not one Oct 22 10:04:01 augustus mach: Oct 22 10:04:01 augustus mach: NeXT ROM Monitor 2.1 v59 Oct 22 10:04:01 augustus mach: panic: NeXT Mach 3.1: Fri Apr 30 08:31:15 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder):mk-149.22.3.obj~2/RC_m68k/RELEASE_M68K Oct 22 10:04:01 augustus mach: Has anybody else out there seen this problem? Does anybody have any ideas what could be causing it? Is this a known bug that will be fixed in 3.2? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim Hugunin - hugunin@mtl.mit.edu MIT NanoStructures Lab
From: dhess@net.tamu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NEXTSTEP upgrade goofiness... Date: 22 Oct 1993 16:02:27 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a906j$f5s@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Ok, can anyone shed light on this? My university computer store carries NEXTSTEP but only the Intel version. They do not carry it for NeXT Computers at all and can't order upgrades for them (so they say). Apparently, NeXT or the distributor will not let them order it for NeXT Computers. Then I call the upgrade center in Buffalo and they say that there is no academic pricing on the upgrade at this time. Academic must pay $195 + $495 to upgrade to 3.1. I thought academic pricing for the entire thing was $249. What the hell is going on? Did I wait too long and now am doomed to this kind of pricing? Does $249 only apply to the Intel version? Why can't I order the NeXT Computer version from my campus store? Is this just an oversight that will be corrected soon? Confused and confounded, Dave -- David K. Hess Network Analyst David-Hess@tamu.edu Computing and Information Services - Network Group (409) 845-0372 (work) Texas A&M University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: doshi@eel.micro.umn.edu (doshi hiten) Subject: HELP!!! Modem w/ NSI Message-ID: <CFBA2I.LMv@news2.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: Modem Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 18:26:46 GMT I just installed NSI 3.1 on my 486 and everything was working fine until I tried using the modem. I tried using "tip -2400 phone#" after making appropriate changes to /etc/remote. I am able to dial successfully this way but once a connection is made, the computer just hangs up. There is no mouse movement and no response to the keyboard. ALT-NUMLOCK doesn't work either. I just have to power down and reboot. On a couple of occasions I have also seen RDP exceptions. I have a serial mouse on com1 IRQ4 and the modem is on com2 IRQ3. This is a hayes compatible 2400 bps modem. Has anybody experienced similar symptoms? Also, if this might be something related to my particular modem, then is there a hardware compatibility guide for modems? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Hiten Doshi
From: fineman@stein1.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/i 3.1 installation problems... Date: 22 Oct 1993 19:52:11 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <2a9dlb$1tl@news.u.washington.edu> hey-yo all - I've just finished putting together a 486 to (attempt to) run nextstep. This is what i'm working with: 486DX2-66 AMI BIOS Dallas (i think?) chipset (i can check into that, if need be) IDE architecture (i can check on the brand name, if need be) Standard 101 clone keyboard Chinon CDS-435 CD-ROM, with its own SCSI adapter, CD-ROM set to SCSI ID 0 (it works fine w/ dos stuff) Western Digital 340mb IDE drive 16 MB RAM 1 serial port (mouse set at 0x3f8, IRQ 4) authentic microsoft mouse 1 3.5" HD FDD Cirrus logic 5422 video card Dell 17" monitor (hah - like it's paid for) I've got both NeXTStep & the developer ver 3.1 here's what happens when i boot up off of the installation floppy disk: (my comments in /* */) /*... standard boot stuff*/ ISA Bus Warning: Using internal backup device configuratoin tables PCPointer Probe: MouseInit failure /* the mouse works fine w/ dos */ Registering: PCKeyboard0 Registering: PCPointer0 PS2Keyboard/HandleACK: Unexpected ACK from keyboard Resetting SCSI Bus: /* pause...*/ Registering: hc0 /* system locks up - floppy drive & hard disk spin continuously */ --------------------- If anyone could offer any advice, PLEASE do so. I can look into the details of the hardware, if that would help. thanks, dan fineman@u.washington.edu
From: rzewski@NorthStar.com (Alexis Rzewski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: has anyone seen battle ship games on NeXT? Message-ID: <9310221959.AA01375@NorthStar.com> Date: 22 Oct 93 20:00:02 GMT Sender: root@news.cs.indiana.edu (Operator) Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Hi, has anyone seen a battle ship game running on NEXTSTEP? - Alexis alexis@northstar.com
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Mail Encryption Date: 22 Oct 1993 22:20:58 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2a9mca$ail@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <CF5xDG.rI@ensuing.com> <1993Oct21.122704.6212@FreemanSoft.com> >> release). It turns out the government has export restrictions on >> cryptographic material under some kind of defense clause in trade laws. That's correct. It turns out that encryption software is classified under munitions in the trade laws. I can see the headlines now: one mathematician killed and two injured in a bizarre cryptographic prime number explosion ... Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <CFB3xv.Dt@alembicla.com> Keywords: Games, Wolfenstein Sender: dave@alembicla.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Alembic Systems International, Ltd. References: <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:17:55 GMT In article <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: !> > !> There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. !> !> > This is a very cool game but always gives me motion sickness after about 20 !> > minutes! !> !> Same here! I tried playing it on a 17" monitor on a DX2/66 and after about !> five minutes or so I became so ill I had to lie down for half an hour to !> recover. I don't mean a simple headache, I was sick in the stomach... every !> copy of Wolf-3D should come with a package of Drammamine. !> Exactimo!!! Actually the motion sickness seems to be worse wathing someone else play than when I am playing. In the previous case I am only good for about 5 minutes and like you had about a half hour recovery and sick to my stomache!! The Dangers of 3-D!! Imagine how sick VR can make you! -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Alembic Systems International, Los Angeles V: 310.371.6226 F: 310.371.0886
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 23 Oct 1993 03:22:15 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2aa817$mr6@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <CFB3xv.Dt@alembicla.com> David W. Fahrney writes > Exactimo!!! Actually the motion sickness seems to be worse wathing someone else play > than when I am playing. In the previous case I am only good for about 5 minutes and like > you had about a half hour recovery and sick to my stomache!! The Dangers of 3-D!! > Imagine how sick VR can make you! Heck, I get sick just reading about VR :-) Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: Re: Major Problems with CD-CROM on NS 3.1 (Black) Message-ID: <gslCFC2vy.8KG@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Oct22.104909.15486@informatik.uni-bremen.de> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 04:52:45 GMT Dirk Lehmann + Co (robocop@lehre25.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE) wrote: : Last weekend a might have found a big bug in NS 3.1 while accessing my : CD-ROM(Apple150 = NeXT-drive). I only wanted to copy some data from a NOVA-CD : to my harddisk via the Workspace, but after a while my machine hang up, by : showing the busycursor. I could open the nmi-monitor but a reboot command : couldn't stop my machine. So I had to pull the wire out of the machine. The same : thing happend once again. The next time I tried to copy the files from the shell, : but there also was no success. Also tar (later gtar) were not able to build an : archive in my homedirectory. By double-clicking a rtfd-document on the CD , Edit : opened with the warning : Filesystem Error !, while the Workspace-Inspector for : rtfd-documents showed the correct content. In a shell I couldn't even list the : directory of some folders. : For those who want to backtrack the bug: : Copying from Workspace /NOVA/Apps/Communications/pcomm (I guess) -> ~ : ls -l in /NOVA/Demos/Graphics/Tesseract/Tesseract.app/English.lproj/Help/ : or : tar fcv ~/test.tar /NOVA/Demos/Graphics/Tesseract/Tesseract.app/English.lproj/Help : Hope this bug isn't in 3.2 ! : Dirk I have the same thing happen consistently with the NOVA cd on NS/FIP 3.1. My machine doesn't alway crash but will consistently "loose track" of the cd and my file viewer will show all question marks. Sometimes it will find itself again and sometimes I have to eject the cd. This has only ever happened with that NOVA cd, never with any others. Maybe it's the "Rock Ridge Extensions?? Anyone else have a problem with the NOVA cd??? Greg Lindholm gsl@netcom.com
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (Oberon) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Xfree86 on NeXTStep For Intel Summary: Will it work? Message-ID: <118739@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 23 Oct 93 06:55:56 GMT Followup-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Does anyone know if Xfree86 will run on NeXTStep for Intel? Has anyone gotten it to work? I'd really appreciate knowing. John -- John Evans Rudd Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6963c Internet: gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: hbu@wag.ch (Hans Burkard) Subject: FaxReader: Main Window Size Message-ID: <CFB1AD.EF@wag.ch> Keywords: FaxReader Sender: usenet@wag.ch Organization: workstation ag, Rohrstr. 36/38, CH-8152 Glattbrugg, Switzerland Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:20:36 GMT We have installed NS on Laptop using the standard VGA display modus. Everything works perfectly accept... The main window of FaxReader is optimized for the "normal" screen resolutions (1120x832 or 1024x768). However the window size is far too large for a small screen on a labtop. Question: How can I define the default window size for the FaxReader application? Maybe there is an entry in NeXT default database? Thanks for your help! Hans e-mail: hbu@wag.ch
From: smg@orb.com ("Samuel M. Goldberger") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: QUESTION: Big Ben sound for NS3.1? Date: 23 Oct 1993 08:51:32 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aarak$ese@nntp.crl.com> References: <CF974v.pHr@ns1.nodak.edu> In article <CF974v.pHr@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@cadaver.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian) writes: > In article <1993Oct21.015359.14649@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > >I compiled the code and it compiled fine. HOWEVER, upon rying > >to run the program, I get the following output: > > > > playscore reading /tmp/.bong010177.score... > > ...done > > Can't open DSP. > > > >I've tried everything. This is on a NeXTcube with 24MB RAM, > >running NS3.1. playscore is installed from NS2.1. > > I have playscore from NS3.1 since I did a brand new install on my > NeXTstation. I cannot play any score files. > > Does anybody have a clue about the problem? > > > -- > Brian Glaeske glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Men Rule. Rap Sucks. Eat Fatty Food." The PIPC, Outland I had been told by a very upset developer that support for the DSP had been dropped in 3.1 without anyone's being informed. However, I inquired about this with Gordon van Huizen of MetroTools, who is the resident sound expert, and we had the following dialog (quoted without permission--hope this is OK Gordon): Me: "BTW, I heard that DSP support was dropped from 3.1 without anyone's being told. Is this true?" Gordon: "Well, the dev tools were dropped for 3.0, but the libraries are still there for executables to run against (I still have occasion to run some DSP stuff)." Anyone else do DSP stuff in 3.1? Sam -- Samuel M. Goldberger/smg@orb.com Spherical Solutions 47 Myrtle Avenue Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-2919--voice 415-381-9556--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: *.GZ file uncompress tool?? Message-ID: <1993Oct22.190214.663@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <1993Oct21.200257.27407@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 19:02:14 GMT In article <1993Oct21.200257.27407@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) writes: > > What and where can I get a tool that uncompresses > "*.gz" files? I am NeXTStep 3.0 on black hardware. GZIP from GNU! Available on (all) NeXT ftp-server. -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep (was Re: Interest in NeXTSTEP game for about $65) Date: 23 Oct 1993 12:49:58 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Oct23134959@dannug.dannug.dk> References: <CHRIS.93Oct15134821@svale.iesd.auc.dk> <29mn5r$7q5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <=!%@byu.edu> In-reply-to: yackd@texas.et.byu.edu's message of Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:49:54 MDT Hi >>>>> On Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:49:54 MDT, yackd@texas.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) said: Don> me the necessary income. Problem is, if you look at how many Don> registrations have come in for my current crop of games, we're Don> talking about <$1/hr of dev time, which just don't cover expenses Don> unfortunately. So, if you like those games, please do take the Don> time to register. I know that the market for the PillBottle Don> and Columns types of games is limited; most would prefer an Don> adventure, a Sim* game, or a flight simulator...and, believe me, Don> I hear what you're asking for and eventaully hope to give you Don> what you want. :-) One of the reasons that many does not register shareware programs is, according to my experience, that it is quite expensive to transfer say $15 to the states from Europe. I have no clue why the americans does not register more often. A solution to this could be if someone (preferable one in each country) would participate in a global service organization for shareware products and handle registrations localy and forward, say 80%, of the registration feed to the author. How about that idea?? Would it work? Don> Know what else I'd _really_ like to have? A NeXT version of xpilot. Don> :-) :-) :-) :-) What a great game! HEAR HEAR!!!! regards, Karsten. -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 President, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Date: 23 Oct 1993 16:38:42 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2abmmi$2rk@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <2a8jk5INNof1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes: > Maybe it wasn't the motion (which was very good), but rather all >the blood, guts and gore. I've played this game and enjoyed it, but I >played on the lowest level of gore (do I have this right? you can set the >level for the game, right?). That is my biggest complaint about the game. No, not that I know of. What you set is the difficulty level. It seems to change a) the number of bad guys in their respective hangouts and b) what they will do as far as 'will this guy chase me through this door or not'. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: pdg@rz.uni-jena.de (Dimiter Georgiev) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! S3 driver info for NS-Intel needed. Date: 23 Oct 1993 17:35:59 GMT Organization: Friedrich-Schiller-University Jena, Germany Message-ID: <2abq1v$4fr@hpux.rz.uni-jena.de> So there is my problem: i just have instaled NS3.1 for Intel clone. The graphics card i use is S3 based (Diamond Stealth VLB, S3-805, 1MB). This card supports 1024x768 @ 256 colors in 43 Hz interlaced mode(at least with Windows). Does anybody know, an S3 driver for NS whitch is capable to force and use this wideo mode? It would be nice, because i would be able to use my old monitor(non multi-sync) instead of bying new. Thanx a lot P.S. Does anybody know the e-mail of Diamond Computer Systems Inc. where i could ask for a driver? -- Dimiter Georgiev pdg@cnve.rz.uni-jena.de voice. +49 3641 6 35941 / fax. +49 3641 23843
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmh@info.polymtl.ca (Jean-Marc Heneman) Subject: Power backup systems? Message-ID: <1993Oct23.164046.10063@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Sender: news@vlsi.polymtl.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 16:40:46 GMT I would like to have more information about power backup systems like powerguardian for NSI... Does anyone know how to reach them? -- jmh jean-marc heneman = jmh@info.polymtl.ca if mail bounces, try jm_hene@pavo.concordia.ca or jmh@aircanada.ca I prefer ASCII mail for now, but you can send me NextMail for attachment __ / /_/ __/ / /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.folklore.computers From: ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id : Wolf 3d makes you sick ? Message-ID: <1993Oct23.154553.4098@joker.fdn.org> Sender: ed@joker.fdn.org Organization: French Guy Corp. - Paris, France. References: <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 15:45:53 GMT In article <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> icarus@wam.umd.edu writes: >In article <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu >(Alex Currier) writes: >> In article <CF9Iq2.xD@alembicla.com> dave@alembicla.com(David W. >> Fahrney) writes: >> >> > !> There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein >> > 3-D. >> >> > This is a very cool game but always gives me motion sickness >> > after about 20 minutes! >> >> Same here! I tried playing it on a 17" monitor on a DX2/66 and >> after about five minutes or so I became so ill I had to lie >> down for half an hour to recover. I don't mean a simple headache, >> I was sick in the stomach... every copy of Wolf-3D should come >> with a package of Drammamine. >> >> -- >> ========================================================================= >> Alex Currier | I get no kick from champagne... >> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | mere alcohol doesn't thrill me >> at all NeXTmail capable! | but I get a kick out >> of UNIX. >> ========================================================================= > >That's funny, I'm not a big fan of wolf-3D but I once played it >about one hour straight and I didn't feel anything. Are you sure >that your eyes are healthy? > Oh yeah ! It does the same exact thing to me on a 17" Colro Monitor with windows at max side and a fast CPU. I wondered what it was the first time but I realized soom it was the game's fault. I posted about that a few months ago in alt.folklore.computers Ed. --- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" Intuitive Technologies (ex-Cub'x Systemes) only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... ed@cubx.com It all started 2 full back-up ago... -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" Intuitive Technologies (ex-Cub'x Systemes) only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... ed@cubx.com It all started 2 full back-up ago...
From: kenr@shl.com (Ken Rossen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Announces New Releases of NEXTSTEP and NEXTSTEP Developer Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 17:24:33 -0500 Organization: SHL Systemhouse Message-ID: <kenr-231093172433@slip-kjr.shl.com> References: <2a1ntc$447@digifix.digifix.com> In article <2a1ntc$447@digifix.digifix.com>, Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) posted the press release: > NeXT ANNOUNCES NEW RELEASES OF NEXTSTEP > AND NEXTSTEP DEVELOPER > [...] > NEXTSTEP Release > 3.2 also includes [...] for the first time, full support for 32-bit color > graphics. Is this support going to make color "just work" on machines such as the NEC Versa? Does anyone know? -- KENR@SHL.COM
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two problems/questions about 3.1 gdb (on m68k machine) Date: 23 Oct 1993 22:46:09 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <2acc7h$2rb@hub.ucsb.edu> Keywords: debug gdb The online documentation for gdb has a description of a very useful command called data-break. Unfortunately, NeXT's gdb does not recognize this command at all. Is the documentation out-of-date or ahead of its time? Secondly, it is impossible to run gdb when logged in via a 2400 baud modem. I vaguely remember hearing something about this -- is there a way to reset it so that it works? Once it is invoked, characters typed at the (gdb) prompt often do not show up, and it is impossible to quit. Any comment would be appreciated. -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dahl@esca.esca.com (Austin Dahl) Subject: Clock Drift and NTP driftfile (/etc/ntp.drift) Message-ID: <DAHL.93Oct23142041@esca.esca.com> Sender: dahl@esca.com (Austin Dahl) Organization: ESCA Corporation, Bellevue WA Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 22:20:41 GMT I'm using a stand alone machine and my clock loses a lot of time. The man pages for ntp talk about a driftfile (/etc/ntp.drift) so my guess is that I can set the driftfile manually and let the ntpd do the clock adjustments for me. I used strings to look at /etc/ntpd and my best guess is that the driftfile should contain 5 floats and an int. Can anyone verify this? What do the numbers mean and what's a good initial setting for clock that is slow? Does anyone remember a similar post in the last year? Thanks, Austin
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id : Wolf 3d makes you sick ? Date: 23 Oct 1993 23:59:35 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2acgh7$7c9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Oct23.154553.4098@joker.fdn.org> In article <1993Oct23.154553.4098@joker.fdn.org> ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) writes: [...] [tales of woe regarding motion sicknees while playing Wolfenstein 3D deleted by the Usenet Cooperative Sanitation District :-)] There were some interesting threads regarding disorienting effects resulting from VR over in sci.virtual-worlds early this year. One infobit i recall was that U.S. Government labs were not letting researchers or pilots drive a car within a half hour of a VR experience - one gets too mentally thrashed in a simulator, evidently. However, let's seek for the opportunity in this problem. We have the best multimedia computers in the world, right? Think of the possibilities! Send your flame targets NeXTMail with "PowerBarf.snd" attachments! Give your software floppy eject a whole new personality! Your colleagues will KNOW you've logged out! :-) :-) ;-) Steve Weintz scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Who's had too much time on his hands, lately)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Did you realize? Message-ID: <1993Oct24.021301.9017@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 02:13:01 GMT I did not realize that Nextstep came with a whole CD ROM full of demo apps! The CD ROM came attached to the back of a relatively uninteresting looking book "Third Party Products" that I immediately put back in the box. I've been happily using Nextstep for about a month, and now, going through the box again, i just discovered it. Did anybody else miss this too? What a pleasant suprise. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Gerard Iglesias Please Read Message-ID: <1993Oct23.233642.15615@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 23:36:42 GMT Fellow Netters, my apologies for broadcasting. Would Gerard Iglesias please send me an E-mail address that works. Your E-mail return address of igerard@bipbip.ina.fr bounces with an unknown to name server message. Many Thanks, ........ Henry McGilton, Trilithon Software henry@trilithon.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help needed on NTSC Message-ID: <1993Oct23.202554.1027@physc1.byu.edu> From: shi@physc1.byu.edu Date: 23 Oct 93 20:25:54 -0600 Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University I have the following question on NTSC video signal for color images. At the beginning of each scan line, there is a color burst that's about 8 to 10 cycles long. How does this burst carry all color information for more than 500 pixels on the scan line? Any helpful info is appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ppalmer@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Frank Palmer) Subject: Can't install Literature to non bootable disk? Message-ID: <1993Oct24.080021.24170@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center Distribution: world Date: 24 OCT 93 02:54:18 Hello! I want to put Webster, Oxford Quotations and Shakespear on an initialized optical disk. Unfortunately the installer insists on putting them in the root directory. Does anyone know how to change this? I could just copy all the files from the CD to my optical, but Quotations and Webster seem to only run from the boot disk. Any help is appreciated, Frank P. Palmer fpalmer@macc.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: goofy!stephens (robert stephens) Subject: test Message-ID: <1993Oct23.151635.1041@goofy.uucp> Sender: stephens@goofy.uucp Organization: open road Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 15:16:35 GMT This is a test article.
From: chris@stokeisland.ohi.com (Christopher J. Traynor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Summary: Fujitsu Optical Drive Problem Date: 24 Oct 1993 13:09:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310241749.AA00785@stokeisland.ohi.com> All: Thanks to alot of help from people at NEC and others on the net, I've found out that the Fujitsu 128meg Optical drive is not compatible with Black hardware. I've been told that it works well with NS/Intel though. The people I've spoken to say that the Sony and Epson drives work on both platforms. Just thought I should post this so nobody else has to go through the hair pulling that I did. Cheers, Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@ideal.muc.de Subject: Re: Major Problems with CD-CROM on NS 3.1 (Black) Message-ID: <1993Oct24.184927.1107@ideal.muc.de> Sender: root@ideal.muc.de (Operator) Organization: Eversmile References: <gslCFC2vy.8KG@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 18:49:27 GMT In article <gslCFC2vy.8KG@netcom.com> gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) writes: > Dirk Lehmann + Co (robocop@lehre25.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE) wrote: > : Last weekend a might have found a big bug in NS 3.1 while accessing my > : CD-ROM(Apple150 = NeXT-drive). I only wanted to copy some data from a NOVA-CD > : to my harddisk via the Workspace, but after a while my machine hang up, by > : showing the busycursor. I could open the nmi-monitor but a reboot command > : couldn't stop my machine. So I had to pull the wire out of the machine. The same > : thing happend once again. The next time I tried to copy the files from the shell, > : but there also was no success. Also tar (later gtar) were not able to build an > : archive in my homedirectory. By double-clicking a rtfd-document on the CD , Edit > : opened with the warning : Filesystem Error !, while the Workspace-Inspector for > : rtfd-documents showed the correct content. In a shell I couldn't even list the > : directory of some folders. > > : For those who want to backtrack the bug: > : Copying from Workspace /NOVA/Apps/Communications/pcomm (I guess) -> ~ > : ls -l in /NOVA/Demos/Graphics/Tesseract/Tesseract.app/English.lproj/Help/ > : or > : tar fcv ~/test.tar /NOVA/Demos/Graphics/Tesseract/Tesseract.app/English.lproj/Help > > : Hope this bug isn't in 3.2 ! > > : Dirk > I have the same thing happen consistently with the NOVA cd on NS/FIP 3.1. My > machine doesn't alway crash but will consistently "loose track" of the cd > and my file viewer will show all question marks. Sometimes it will find > itself again and sometimes I have to eject the cd. This has only ever happened > with that NOVA cd, never with any others. Maybe it's the "Rock Ridge Extensions?? > > Anyone else have a problem with the NOVA cd??? > > Greg Lindholm > gsl@netcom.com > I have also problems with BigGreen CD I and II. When I tried to copy he couldn't find the files/directories anymore and after that he couldn't show me the directories in the Browser. klaus -- ____________________________________________________________ Klaus Bscheid, klaus@ideal.muc.de, voice/fax: +49 89 3103829 Germany, 85716 Unterschleissheim, Sportplatzstrasse 7
From: erictremblay@genie.geis.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Major Problems with CD-CROM on Date: 24 Oct 1993 15:49:16 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310242049.AA21418@relay2.geis.com> Greg, >This has only ever happened with that NOVA cd, never with any others. >Maybe it's the "Rock Ridge Extensions?? > > Anyone else have a problem with the NOVA cd??? Yes, other people have the same problem and it has nothing to do with the NOVA cdrom. You say it only happens with the NOVA but the fact is that it happens with all the cdroms. Including a regular ISO-9660 PC only cdrom. I have similar problems with all the cdroms in my collection, including cdroms that worked great with 3.0 but no longer work properly with 3.1. These include the Internet Unplugged, The Big Green disc and even Walnut Creeks GIF Galore cdrom which is in ISO-9660 plus many others. For your information, these problems are with NEXTSTEP 3.1 on Intel and on Black hardware. Is use the NeXT hardware cdrom with exactly the same type of problems you are talking about. Let's hope that 3.2 will fix these problems. Eric "E.T." Tremblay Walnut Creek CDROM eric@cdrom.com or erictremblay@genie.geis.com (Author of the Nova CDROM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jq@phcs.com (Jim Quick) Subject: Re: Can't install Literature to non bootable disk? Message-ID: <CFEMEp.IAp@phcs.com> Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc References: <1993Oct24.080021.24170@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 13:49:37 GMT In article <1993Oct24.080021.24170@macc.wisc.edu> ppalmer@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Frank Palmer) writes: >Hello! > >I want to put Webster, Oxford Quotations and Shakespear on an initialized >optical disk. Unfortunately the installer insists on putting them in the root >directory. Does anyone know how to change this? I could just copy all the >files from the CD to my optical, but Quotations and Webster seem to only run >from the boot disk. > >Any help is appreciated, > >Frank P. Palmer >fpalmer@macc.wisc.edu Have you tried symbolic links? Symlinks for /NextLibrary/References and /NextLibrary/Literature pointing to directories under the mount point of your MO disk. Leave the Webster and Quotations apps in /NextApps. You would just have to make sure that the optical was mounted on the same mount point each time you wanted to use it. -- ___ ___ mail: uunet!phcs!jq PHCS, Inc. Advanced Technology Group / / / or jq@phcs.com It's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's \_/ (_\/ Voice: (617) 861-5579 pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". ) NeXTMail O.K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chuck@benatong.com (Charles G. Bennett) Subject: Re: Games for NeXTStep from Id Message-ID: <CFDA1y.6Iw@BenaTong.com> Sender: usenet@BenaTong.com Organization: BenaTong Software. References: <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 20:25:10 GMT In article <2a7js7$dd5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> icarus@wam.umd.edu writes: In article <2a7fl2$jhq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > In article <CF9Iq2.xD@alembicla.com> dave@alembicla.com(David W. Fahrney) > writes: > > > !> There will be a cool game coming out for NS soon: Wolfenstein 3-D. > > > This is a very cool game but always gives me motion sickness after about 20 > > minutes! > > Same here! I tried playing it on a 17" monitor on a DX2/66 and after about > five minutes or so I became so ill I had to lie down for half an hour to > recover. I don't mean a simple headache, I was sick in the stomach... every > copy of Wolf-3D should come with a package of Drammamine. > > -- > ===================================================================== ==== > Alex Currier | I get no kick from champagne... > mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all > NeXTmail capable! | but I get a kick out of UNIX. > ===================================================================== ==== [munched] Me Three, I have a logitech trackman, and you can really move.. Those dogs don't stand a chance :-) But I get about 5-10 min's before motion sickness sets in... -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E M,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!< M='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP M7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I<"DEN(&%R=&EC;&4@/#)A-VIS-R1D M9#5`8W9I;&QE+7-R=BYW86TN=6UD+F5D=3X@:6-A<G5S0'=A;2YU;60N961U M('=R:71E<SI<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#!<='@Q,30P7'1X,C,P,%QT>#,T-#!<='@T M-C`P7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,#!<='@X,#8P7'1X.3(P,%QT>#$P,S8P7'1X,3$U M,C!<='@Q,C8V,%QT>#$S.#(P7'1X,30Y-C!<='@Q-C$R,%QT>#$W,C@P7'1X M,3@T,C!<='@Q.34X,%QT>#(P-S(P7'1X,C$X.#!<9F,Q7&-F,2!<"@I<<&%R M9%QT>#DV,%QT>#$Y,C!<='@R.#@P7'1X,S@T,%QT>#0X,#!<='@U-S8P7'1X M-C<R,%QT>#<V.#!<='@X-C0P7'1X.38P,%QF8S!<8V8P($EN(&%R=&EC;&4@ M/#)A-V9L,B1J:'%`9V5R86QD;RYC8RYU=&5X87,N961U/B!M>6-R;V9T0&-O M;&]U<F)O>"YU=&5X87,N961U("A!;&5X($-U<G)I97(I('=R:71E<SI<"CX@ M26X@87)T:6-L92`\0T8Y27$R+GA$0&%L96UB:6-L82YC;VT^(&1A=F5`86QE M;6)I8VQA+F-O;2A$879I9"!7+B!&86AR;F5Y*2`@7`H^('=R:71E<SI<"CX@ M7`H^(#X@(3X@5&AE<F4@=VEL;"!B92!A(&-O;VP@9V%M92!C;VUI;F<@;W5T M(&9O<B!.4R!S;V]N.B`@5V]L9F5N<W1E:6X@,RU$+EP*/B!<"CX@/B!4:&ES M(&ES(&$@=F5R>2!C;V]L(&=A;64@8G5T(&%L=V%Y<R!G:79E<R!M92!M;W1I M;VX@<VEC:VYE<W,@869T97(@86)O=70@,C`@(%P*/B`^(&UI;G5T97,A7`H^ M(%P*/B!386UE(&AE<F4A($D@=')I960@<&QA>6EN9R!I="!O;B!A(#$W(B!M M;VYI=&]R(&]N(&$@1%@R+S8V(&%N9"!A9G1E<B!A8F]U="`@7`H^(&9I=F4@ M;6EN=71E<R!O<B!S;R!)(&)E8V%M92!S;R!I;&P@22!H860@=&\@;&EE(&1O M=VX@9F]R(&AA;&8@86X@:&]U<B!T;R`@7`H^(')E8V]V97(N($D@9&]N)W0@ M;65A;B!A('-I;7!L92!H96%D86-H92P@22!W87,@<VEC:R!I;B!T:&4@<W1O M;6%C:"XN+B!E=F5R>2`@7`H^(&-O<'D@;V8@5V]L9BTS1"!S:&]U;&0@8V]M M92!W:71H(&$@<&%C:V%G92!O9B!$<F%M;6%M:6YE+EP*/B!<"CX@+2U<"CX@ M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/5P*/B`@06QE>"!#=7)R:65R M("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("!\("`@("`@($D@9V5T(&YO(&MI8VL@9G)O;2!C M:&%M<&%G;F4N+BX@("`@("`@("`@("`@("!<"CX@(&UY8W)O9G1`8V-W9BYC M8RYU=&5X87,N961U("`@?"`@(&UE<F4@86QC;VAO;"!D;V5S;B=T('1H<FEL M;"!M92!A="!A;&Q<"CX@($YE6%1M86EL(&-A<&%B;&4A"2`@("`@('P@("`@ M("`@8G5T($D@9V5T(&$@:VEC:R!O=70@;V8@54Y)6"Y<"CX@/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/5P*7`I;;75N8VAE9%U<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q M-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1< M='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q,34R,%QF8S!<8V8P(%P*364@5&AR964L("!) M(&AA=F4@82!L;V=I=&5C:"!T<F%C:VUA;BP@86YD('EO=2!C86X@<F5A;&QY M(&UO=F4N+B!4:&]S92!D;V=S(&1O;B=T('-T86YD(&$@8VAA;F-E("`Z+2D@ M("!"=70@22!G970@86)O=70@-2TQ,"!M:6XG<R!B969O<F4@;6]T:6]N('-I 68VMN97-S('-E=',@:6XN+BY<"@I]"B!M `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Subject: Re: Major Problems with CD-CROM on Message-ID: <CFFB3K.1v1@is.com> Sender: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. References: <9310242049.AA21418@relay2.geis.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 22:42:55 GMT In article <9310242049.AA21418@relay2.geis.com> erictremblay@genie.geis.com writes: > Yes, other people have the same problem and it has nothing to do with > the NOVA cdrom. You say it only happens with the NOVA but the fact > is that it happens with all the cdroms. Including a regular ISO-9660 > PC only cdrom. I have similar problems with all the cdroms in my > collection, including cdroms that worked great with 3.0 but no > longer work properly with 3.1. > > Let's hope that 3.2 will fix these problems. > I can't vouch for 3.2, but it's fixed in 3.0. If you're using black hardware and have access to a 3.0 CD, replace the 3.1 version of /usr/filesystems/CDROM.fs with the 3.0 version, and many of these problems will go away. Hopefully, it'll be repaired before they freeze the 3.2 release. Best, Pete C -- ********************************************************************* Pete Clark - Software Engineer | You know that way that Integrity Solutions, Inc. | you always are? pclark@is.com NeXTMail preferred | Don't be that way.
From: bjorn@doek.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I get a french dictionary??? Date: 25 Oct 1993 07:05:42 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <2afts6$lm4@pith.uoregon.edu> I would love to have a french dictionary for WP or FM or .... but I don't so I'm trying to see if I can do it with NextStep. In /NextLibrary/Services there is a NeXTspell.service. Does anyone know what to change/modify to add a second language? Any help will be appreaciated. --bjorn PS: I have a french word-list if this is what the service uses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen bjorn@doek.uoregon.edu NextMail Welcomed #include <std-disclaimer.h> 00000007308D6C4DB8BED34E51E1B3700263000000077F238B9EEB9106C414D031F602E7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: larryb@ccsg.tau.ac.il (larry blume) Subject: GnuPlot 1.1 Message-ID: <1993Oct25.111041.23889@aristo.tau.ac.il> Sender: usenet@aristo.tau.ac.il (USENET) Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 11:10:41 GMT Are there any NeXTStep 2.x users out there who use GnuPlot 1.1. (Version 1.2 requires NeXTStep 3.0+.) Even the author doesn't have 1.1 anymore, but hopes that the software was popular enough that someone still has it. If you have a copy, I take NeXTMAil at lb19@cornell.edu and at leb@label.tau.ac.il. THanks! --Larry -- ******************************************************************* Larry Blume Reply To: LB19@CORNELL.EDU Eitan Berglas School of Economics Voice: 03-640-7167 Tel Aviv University Fax: 03-640-9908 Naftali Bldg Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv 69978 NeXTMail Welcome! *******************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Clock Drift and NTP driftfile (/etc/ntp.drift) In-Reply-To: dahl@esca.esca.com's message of Sat, 23 Oct 1993 22:20:41 GMT To: dahl@esca.esca.com (Austin Dahl) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Oct24095034@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <DAHL.93Oct23142041@esca.esca.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 13:50:33 GMT In article <DAHL.93Oct23142041@esca.esca.com> dahl@esca.esca.com (Austin Dahl) writes: I'm using a stand alone machine and my clock loses a lot of time. The man pages for ntp talk about a driftfile (/etc/ntp.drift) so my guess is that I can set the driftfile manually and let the ntpd do the clock adjustments for me. I used strings to look at /etc/ntpd and my best guess is that the driftfile should contain 5 floats and an int. Can anyone verify this? What do the numbers mean and what's a good initial setting for clock that is slow? You are correct. The drift file consists out of five floats encoding the drift of the clock in the last five hours (newest first), followed by an integer specifying how many hours ntpd has been running. Positive floats describe a slow clock, negative floats a fast one. The size of the daily drift (in seconds) is the float multiplied by (86400/4096). Does anyone remember a similar post in the last year? No. So it can't possibly have happend. Of course considering that the great guru of NeXTdom, author of dialupip and ntp, Louis Mamakos himself is known to read this group, maybe I should not have answered this question. Darn. Carl Edman PS: Correct your news posting software. 'comp' is a bogus distribution.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: DOS SCSI partitions in NS 3.2 ? Message-ID: <1993Oct25.140033.1566@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 14:00:33 GMT Anybody who runs/has seen a beta version of NS 3.2: Is it possible to mount DOS file systems on SCSI drives ? This is not yet supported in 3.1 according to the fstab man page. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to restore boot to DOS option? Date: 25 Oct 1993 17:33:41 GMT Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <SANCHEZP.93Oct25103341@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> Somewhere along the way, I seem to have inadvertantly altered the boot sector of my hard drive so I'm no longer presented with the choice of booting to DOS. I'm running NS/FIP 3.1. Can this be restored without having to rebuild the whole disk? -- --paul paul@whimsy.umsl.edu ================================================================= A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson =================================================================
From: shukin@jester.usask.ca (Geoff Shukin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non-postscript printer support Date: 25 Oct 1993 18:32:16 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <2ah63g$94d@tribune.usask.ca> References: <luciferCF7G6y.9z@netcom.com> Warren S. Edwards (lucifer@netcom.com) wrote: : Hi folks, : I would like to get a decent printer for my NeXT but I cannot : afford the mega bucks needed to buy a postscript printer. I would like to : get a more affordable printer such as the Canon BubbleJet 200. I have : heard mention of a program called Dots. : Can anyone fill me in on this and how I could get it? : Also, does anyone have, or know of how to get a driver for the BubbleJet : or HP DeskJets? Has anyone successfully used either? : Thanks in Advance. : Warren Edwards : IRIS West Inc. : lucifer@netcom.com I too would like to know the answers to these questions. I am condsidering a BubbleJet 200. It is IBM ProPrinter Compatible which (on paper) should make it compatible with NS/FIP. DOTS is available from Alembic Systems (info@alembic.com) BubbleJet support was dropped from the latest release and I THINK that the reason was that the BubbleJet (or any other ProPrinter Comp.) is out of the box Conmpatible with NS/FIP. DOTS is still available for DeskJets and LaserJets. Are these assumptions correct? Anyone...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Geoff Shukin | _ ___ | |\ | |_ \/ | step NeXT User and Proud of it. | | \| |_ /\ | rules! Windows: It's not NeXT, but... | My opinions are just that! Voice: (306) 933-6415 | NeXTMail--> not yet: I am working on it. Internet address: shukin@siast.sk.ca OR shukin@jester.usask.ca ______________________________________________________________________________
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I un-register a service from menu? Message-ID: <22534@news.duke.edu> Date: 25 Oct 93 18:30:49 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the answer there or in NeXTanswers. Involved here are two NeXTs--a 68040 Cube (my husband's) and a Turbo Color (mine), both running NS 3.1. My husband has SAS for NeXT running on the Cube. "SAS System" is one of the options available from the Services menu of the Workspace. For awhile we networked the two machines together with the Cube as a server and the NSTC as its client. Now that my husband and the Cube are both gone :-( and I've reconfigured the NSTC to be a standalone machine again, I'm puzzled as to why "SAS System" still shows up in the Services menu. I do not have the SAS software on my machine, so if I select one of the SAS services I eventually get an alert panel stating that the service cannot be provided. I've looked in /Library/Services and /LocalLibrary/Services, and don't see a sas.services file. I tried disabling the SAS services from the Workspace preferences, but they seem to re-enable themselves when I log out and back in. In pre-3.0 days there was a way of un-registering services like this altogether from the command line, and I tried that, too. Same difference. Can somebody tell me how to make my system completely forget about SAS? Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: rprice@reunion.umd.edu (Rodney Price) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: access to Internet Date: 25 Oct 1993 16:19:02 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <2agu9m$bbg@hecate.umd.edu> Hi -- I have a friend who just moved to the Washington, D.C. area and needs access to Internet. A commercial service, up to $200 per month, would be fine. Does anyone know of any good ones I could recommend to him? Thanks, Rod Price rprice@reunion.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: doshi@mantaray.micro.umn.edu (doshi hiten) Subject: Re: HELP!!! Modem w/ NSI Message-ID: <CFGv2t.Atq@news2.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: Modem Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab. References: <CFBA2I.LMv@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 18:48:25 GMT Thanks to all of you who replied to my posting earlier. I downloaded the new drivers from ftp.next.com and it works. 8^) Hiten Doshi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rfr@honeoye.bst.rochester.edu (Richard Raubertas) Subject: Using NeXT memory in a Macintosh Message-ID: <1993Oct25.184912.14616@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 18:49:12 GMT I have increased the memory in my 25MHz 68040 Nextstation to 20MB by replacing four of the original 1MB SIMMs by 4MB SIMMs. I now have four surplus 1MB SIMMs that I would like to sell. A while back I remember some posts that indicated that Nextstation SIMMs could also be used in certain Macintosh models, but I don't recall which ones. So, which Macintosh models are the following appropriate for: 30-pin, 1x8-100ns 1MB SIMM Thanks, Rich Raubertas rfr@bst.rochester.edu <-- No NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wbeeck@dart.de (Wilfried Beeck) Subject: Re: Non-postscript printer support Message-ID: <1993Oct25.202638.320@dart.de> Sender: wbeeck@dart.de Organization: d'ART Computersysteme GmbH References: <2ah63g$94d@tribune.usask.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 20:26:38 GMT There have been some questions here on the net about support for non-PostScript printers. So I wanted to give an update on the status of our printer driver DOTS. The latest version is DOTS 3.4.2 It supports both Motorola and Intel, as well as seriell and parallel interfaces (and SCSI for certain printers). In 3.4 we have dropped support for some low end printers (Epson and IBM proprinter compatibles) since the demand was very low. But the older version 2.0.3 that supports these printers is still available for NeXT Hardware. We are planning to add more printers in 3.5 (like most Canon bubblejet printers) and are considering to add the Epson and IBM proprinter drivers again. 3.5 should be available in Q1/94. Here is a list of the various printers that are supported in the current release (separated by pricing categories): monochrome printers: HP Deskjet HP Deskjet 500 HP Deskjet 510 HP Laserjet I, II, III, HP Laserjet 4 HP Laserjet 4L low-cost bubble jet color printers < 1,000 dollars: HP Deskjet 500C HP Deskjet 550C bubble jet color printers < 5,000 dollars: HP Deskjet 1200C HP PaintJet XL HP PaintJet XL300 special high quality color printers < 10,000 dollars: HP Designjet 600 HP Designjet 650 Seiko PhotoMaker Mitsubishi Shinko CHC-S445 color copiers < 10,000 dollars, incl. scan-module: Canon CJ-10 color copiers > 10,000 dollars, incl. scan-module: Canon CLC 300 Canon CLC 500 Pricing for DOTS starts at $149 (or 198 DM in Europe). When you buy DOTS you must specify, which printer you want to use. Licenses are sold per printer. Note that the pricing categories are similar to the pricing categories that NeXT has defined for the PostScript Output license, which is available from NeXT (pricing starts at $75). Our distributors are selling this PostScript Output license as a separate item to those customers, who want to use DOTS on non-NeXT Hardware. Please be aware that it is illegal to use DOTS on Intel-Hardware without the PostScript output license from NeXT/Adobe. This output license was originally included in the price of the black hardware. So NeXT Hardware customers don't need to buy one. Our U.S. distributor is: Alembic Systems International Ltd. 14 Inverness Drive East, Suite G-228 Englewood, Colorado 80112 303-799 6223 303-799 1435 fax info@alembic.com In Europe and Asia DOTS is available from most NEXT distributors and resellers. d'ART Software GmbH Virchowstr. 17-19 22767 Hamburg Germany (49)40-38023-0 (49)40-38023-290 fax (c) DOTS was written by Federico Heinz
From: Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP LaserJet IV (PostScript) driver wanted Date: 25 Oct 1993 21:53:43 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Message-ID: <2ahht7$372@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Where could I get a driver for a HP LaserJet IV (PostScript) printer I have NS 3.0 in (black hardware). -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E M,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!< M='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP M7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@7`H*7'!A<F1<='@P7'1X,3$R,%QT>#(R M-#!<='@S,S8P7'1X-#0X,%QT>#4V,#!<='@V-S(P7'1X-S@T,%QT>#@Y-C!< M='@Q,#`X,%QT>#$Q,C`P7'1X,3(S,C!<='@Q,S0T,%QT>#$T-38P7'1X,34V M.#!<='@Q-C@P,%QT>#$W.3(P7'1X,3DP-#!<='@R,#$V,%QT>#(Q,C@P7&9C M,5QC9C$@5VAE<F4@8V]U;&0@22!G970@82!D<FEV97(@9F]R(&$@2%`@3&%S M97)*970@258@*%!O<W138W)I<'0I('!R:6YT97)<"DD@:&%V92!.4R`S+C`@ 7:6X@*&)L86-K(&AA<F1W87)E*2X*?0IR `
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.1 on black Message-ID: <55857@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 25 Oct 93 21:37:08 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I have black hardware and I just registered my NS 3.1 upgrade. I asked how much memory the developer system used and he said 330Meg in 3.1 and 150 in 3.0. What is the deal? I hear that 3.1 is faster. What else? Why does it take so much extra space? I was planning on just sitting on 3.1 and waiting for 3.2. I only have 200 Meg now. I guess I have to buy a hard drive! Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jpainter@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Jay M. Painter) Subject: HELP! Case of the missing Megabytes on a SCSI Disk. Message-ID: <1993Oct25.210139.579@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University TriCities Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 21:01:39 GMT Has anyone ever come accross this problem before? I am trying to make a backup of NS/I onto a SCSI hard disk using BuildDisk.app. The problem that I am having is that when my external SCSI disk is being mounted, I am getting a panel that says that the disk is damaged. When I select the repair option, I receive a message in console that says that it was unsuccessful. If I chose the initialize option, the disk is initialized to 9 MB. The disk is actually the original Quantum 105MB disk from my NeXTStation. Here is my system configuration: Generic 486/50 MHZ, EISA, AMI Bios IDE 240MB internal Hard Drive Tseng ET4000 Graphics Card Adaptec 1540C SCSI Controller Card (Currently, BIOS is switched off) ------------- Additionally, when I use the BIOS for the Adaptec controller to check and do the diagnostics, everything is fine. When I initialize the disk from BIOS, I get the full 105MB. And if I initialize, the disk from my NS, I get 91MB (I'm assuming the used disk space is for the UNIX formatted filesystem). -Jay Painter jpainter@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (ASCII mail please) Here is the output to Console ********************************************************************* probing for CDROM probing for DOS probing for mac probing for cdaudio Oct 25 08:49:46 Workspace: Unmounted hard disk at /NEXTSTEP_Intel /usr/etc/disk -i -h localhost -l "NEXTSTEP_Intel" /dev/rsd0a Limiting sectors to those bios-accessible, from 205560 to 20740 disk name: QUANTUM LP105S 91010940 disk type: fixed_rw_scsi writing disk label Writing /usr/standalone/i386/boot Writing /usr/standalone/i386/boot1 creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd0a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd0a setting optimization for space with minfree less than 10 /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd0a 10210 25 4 8192 1024 16 5 60 4096 s Warning: 90 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rsd0a: 10210 sectors in 103 cylinders of 4 tracks, 25 sectors 10.5Mb in 7 cyl groups (16 c/g, 1.64Mb/g, 320 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b#) at: 16, 1648, 3280, 4912, 6416, 8048, 9680, initialization complete Oct 25 08:49:54 Workspace: Mounted hard disk at /NEXTSTEP_Intel probing for DOS ******************************************************************************* localhost:2# df Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/rhd0h 92176 71632 20544 78% /ms-dos_5 /dev/hd0a 148233 132680 8141 94% / /private/vm/swapfile 148233 132680 8141 94% /private/vm/swapfile.front /dev/sd0a 9801 10 9300 0% /NEXTSTEP_Intel localhost:3#
From: jhough@herbie.qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Moving the Swapfile? Date: 25 Oct 93 22:50:14 GMT Organization: QUALCOMM, Incorporated; San Diego, CA, USA Message-ID: <jhough.751589414@herbie> Keywords: swap Hello! I have recently added another, much faster, hard drive to my NextStep system (3.1 for Intel). I would like to move my swap file off of the main drive, which is slow, to the new one, which is fast. I know that I can name the new drive swapdisk and it will use it, but this is a 329 meg drive, and I'd really prefer not to use the whole thing for swap. So, can I partion it somehow to have perhaps 60 megs for swap? I noticed some partitioning options in the DiskBuilder, but then a message came up recommending I don't partion it, and I thought I'd ask here first. So, how should I do this? Should I build the whole disk as swapdisk, and then just create a link in the private/swapdisk folder so that I can put other software out there? Also, when I run DiskBuilder, not calling the drive swapdisk, it wants to install about 76 megs of software on the drive. I really dont want to do this. Is it really necessary? Or maybe DiskBuilder isn't the program I want to use? HELP! Thanks in advance... Jason -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough | jhough@qualcomm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: goyle@dragonfly.wri.com (Vipin Goyle) Subject: How to load Developer CD 3.1 onto external disk? Message-ID: <goyle.751588885@dragonfly.wri.com> Keywords: 3.1, CD, disk Sender: news@wri.com ( ) Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 22:41:25 GMT Hi, I need to load the developer packages from CD (3.1) onto an external disk (not the startup disk). Anyone have any ideas on how to do this? I couldn't find any options which allow me to specify the installation disk. Thanks! Oh and please send me a copy of the post by e-mail... Vipin goyle@wri.com include<std.disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) Subject: Re: HELP!!! Modem w/ NSI Message-ID: <1993Oct24.185131.797@joker.fdn.org> Sender: ed@joker.fdn.org Organization: French Guy Corp. - Paris, France. References: <CFBA2I.LMv@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 18:51:31 GMT In article <CFBA2I.LMv@news2.cis.umn.edu> doshi@eel.micro.umn.edu (doshi hiten) writes: > I just installed NSI 3.1 on my 486 and everything was working fine > until I tried using the modem. > > I tried using "tip -2400 phone#" after making appropriate changes to > /etc/remote. > > I am able to dial successfully this way but once a connection is made, > the computer just hangs up. There is no mouse movement and no response > to the keyboard. ALT-NUMLOCK doesn't work either. I just have to > power down and reboot. On a couple of occasions I have also seen > RDP exceptions. > > I have a serial mouse on com1 IRQ4 and the modem is on com2 IRQ3. > This is a hayes compatible 2400 bps modem. > > Has anybody experienced similar symptoms? Also, if this might be > something related to my particular modem, then is there a hardware > compatibility guide for modems? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > Hiten Doshi > Use the new drivers available on NEXTANSWERS. Would anybody care to share with the Net his/her experiences with the new serial drivers for NS/FIP 3.1 (uucp,SLIP,dial-in...). at speed of 9600 or more ? I can't take the modem off my NeXT, e-mail server but would be interested to know if I eventually we can use the 486s with fast modems. Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... ed@joker.fdn.org "If you can laugh at yourself, you'll find no end of amusement." -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... ed@joker.fdn.org "If you can laugh at yourself, you'll find no end of amusement."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Pkunzip 2.04g Message-ID: <CF6D3y.85H@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Organization: Relief Consulting & Development References: <1993Oct19.041947.3879@weston.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 02:47:57 GMT In article <1993Oct19.041947.3879@weston.com> jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) writes: > I am wondering if anyone has seen source to unzip files in this new > format? PLease let me know if you know something. > > THanks > Wes > -- > Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) > The Weston Group (UUCP and SENDMAIL Consultation) > 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095 Opener3.1 (on the archives ) has a fat version of pkunzip 2.04, as well as the sources. John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!!
From: murphy@murphy.gun.com (Paul Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital Librarian Date: 25 Oct 1993 21:01:24 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <199310260200.AA07925@chisel> I have been indexing large collections of source code. My indices are c.4M. When I search for things, I typically get the answer back right away. DL then goes into an extended "think" for about a minute. During that time, disk activity is very high. This never happens with anyting pre-indexed by NeXT (although none of it is this big). Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Any thoughts on how to "fix" the problem? DL is a great application. I just wish it were 100% functional one of these releases. Thanks for any help. - Paul murphy@gun.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@LoftTech.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Re: access to Internet Message-ID: <1993Oct25.235323.1041@LoftTech.com> Sender: jgg@LoftTech.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated References: <2agu9m$bbg@hecate.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 23:53:23 GMT In article <2agu9m$bbg@hecate.umd.edu> rprice@reunion.umd.edu (Rodney Price) writes: > >Hi -- > >I have a friend who just moved to the Washington, D.C. area and needs access to >Internet. A commercial service, up to $200 per month, would be fine. Does >anyone know of any good ones I could recommend to him? > Yeah. He is lucky as sin. UUNET is a local call. Contact UUNET Technologies, 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 570, Falls Church, VA 22042 703-876-5050. Via email, send to info@uunet.uu.net. UUNET is a large provider of net connections to hundreds and hundreds of sites. They also have large ftp'able and uucp'able public directories. --J Gregory LoftTech Incorporated
From: parn@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Thi V Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT corrupted dos archive files Date: 26 Oct 1993 03:42:22 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Message-ID: <2ai6av$57t@galaxy.ucr.edu> I've been downloading some dos zip, lha, and arc files and transfering them to my dos floppy. When I try to unarchive them on the PC some of them have CRC errors. Some of them won't even copy to the hard drive because of a data error or general failure, you know the one that says Abort, Ignore, Retry, Fail. I have made sure I've downloaded in binary. I've even tried specifying tenex before transfer. Nothing seems to work. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? BTW I beleive the system is running NS3.0, but I'm not entirely sure, any way to tell? Any help is greatly appreciated Thi Nguyen parn@watserv.ucr.eduded in binary. I
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Date: 25 Oct 1993 23:54:01 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2ai70m$787@digifix.digifix.com> The current menagerie: comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe -------------------------------------------------------------------- Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU Minor editing: Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pkunzip 2.04g Date: 26 Oct 1993 05:43:41 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2aidee$2jv@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <1993Oct19.041947.3879@weston.com> <CF6D3y.85H@relief.com> >> Opener3.1 (on the archives ) has a fat version of pkunzip 2.04, as well as >> the sources. Well, not exactly. Opener contains Info-zip's zip and unzip, which are compatible with PKWare's pkzip and pkunzip 2.04g. However, they are not pkanything. mark
From: rcfa@andi.org (Ronald C.F. Antony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Mail Encryption Date: 26 Oct 1993 05:38:10 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (401) 884-9002 GUEST Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aid42$dl9@paperboy.ids.net> References: <2a9mca$ail@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Keywords: stupid companies patents I have heared several versions of the story: a) RSA has a patent on their prime number / factoring based public key cryptosystem that not only covers their particular algorithm but also the general concept of public key encryption. Thus while NeXT used a completely different method, they were prevented to ship in the USA because of the patent. (Fortunately the patent is only vali d in this country and not worldwide) b) NeXT was stupid enough to develop the stuff here rather than in Europe. Fact is that import of cryptosystems is legal to my knowledge, however export and reexport isn't. Thus had NeXT developed the software (i.e. only the encryption) in Europe and pressed the CD's in Europe they could have shipped the encryption. c) This is an unfounded rumor, but then it could be true: How about if someone came to NeXT and told them: We would like to buy xxxx of your machines, BUT if you should think of selling them to others with the encryption, we will not follow through with the deal... In case you haven't noticed: The NeXT software still contains all the hooks. Look at Mail.app and WorkspaceManger.app and you will even find all the .nib files in place. i.e. NeXT or one of their big customers probably uses the encryption, otherwise this stuff would be totally gone. Note: the patent is not applicable to experimental and research use... -- Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ rcfa @cubiculum.com rcfa@NeXT-BUG.org rcfa@ANDI.org rcfa@sleepy.cis.brown.edu the stuff here rather than in Europe. Fact is that import of cryptosystems is legal to my knowledge, however export and reexport isn't. Thus had NeXT developed the software (i.e. only the encryption) in Europe and pressed the CD's in Europe they could have shipped the encryption. c) This is an unfounded rumor, but then it could be true: How about if someone came to NeXT and told them: We would like to buy xxxx of your machines, BUT if you should think of selling them to others with the encryption, we will not follow through with the deal... In case you haven't noticed: The NeXT software still contains all the hooks. Look at Mail.app and WorkspaceManger.app and you will even find all the .nib files in place. i.e. NeXT or one of their big customers probably uses the encryption, otherwise this stuff would be totally gone. Note: the patent is not applicable to experimental and research use... -- Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ rcfa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Moving the Swapfile? Message-ID: <CFI7vB.AKC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <jhough.751589414@herbie> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 12:25:59 GMT In article <jhough.751589414@herbie> jhough@herbie.qualcomm.com (Jason Hough) writes: > Hello! I have recently added another, much faster, hard drive to my > NextStep system (3.1 for Intel). I would like to move my swap file off > of the main drive, which is slow, to the new one, which is fast. > > I know that I can name the new drive swapdisk and it will use it, but > this is a 329 meg drive, and I'd really prefer not to use the whole thing > for swap. So, can I partion it somehow to have perhaps 60 megs for swap? > I'm sure there are better qualified people than myself to answer this question, but I've already accomplished what you'd like to do, so here goes: All you really need to do is to add a line to the file: /etc/swaptab My swaptab now looks like this: ------------------- # # /etc/swaptab # /Intern/swapfile lowat=16777216,hiwat=90000000,prefer # 16 Meg low water mark /private/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216 # 16 Meg low water mark ------------------- Originally, only the line beginning "/private" was there. "Intern" is a 100M drive. The hi water mark is set at less than 100M so that once I have used all of the space there it switches over to "/private/vm/swapfile". Note that you really need the ",prefer" to use something other than the original swapfile. It's been a while since I did this, so I might be leaving something out. (I looked around and couldn't find any evidence to suggest that I did, but...) Hope this helps more than it hurts. -- Jon Haveman
From: jbell@spiffy.cybernet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.1 on black Date: 26 Oct 93 09:50:48 Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan Distribution: fj Message-ID: <jbell.93Oct2695048@spiffy> References: <55857@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > I have black hardware and I just registered my NS 3.1 upgrade. > > I asked how much memory the developer system used and he said > 330Meg in 3.1 and 150 in 3.0. What is the deal? I hear > that 3.1 is faster. What else? Why does > it take so much extra space? I was planning on just sitting > on 3.1 and waiting for 3.2. > > I only have 200 Meg now. I guess I have to buy a hard drive! > > Mark Stankus > Could this be due to MAB libraries? That's a pretty serious jump. --- J. Shan Bell Cybernet Systems Corportation jbell@cybernet.com (NeXTMail accepted) Research and Development (313) 668-2567 Voice (313) 668-8780 Fax Ann Arbor, MI
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: next@lehre24.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Kai Fuhrmeister) Subject: NS3.1 Installer + NS2.x Package = Bugs? Message-ID: <1993Oct26.152145.20530@informatik.uni-bremen.de> Sender: next@lehre24 (Kai Fuhrmeister) Organization: Universitaet Bremen Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:21:45 GMT Hi, I have got some trouble installing the "old" Mouse-X package under NEXTSTEP 3.1! (I had installed/deinstalled it under 2.1 several times without problems!) 1.) Installer asked me to install the package in "/Apps" . (I think, that should be ~/Apps or /LocalApps but NOT /Apps) 2.) Installer installed all files but no links! (e.g. /usr/bin/X11 or /usr/lib/X11) 3.) When I tried to deinstall the package one day later, Installer wasn't able to list the complete package contents. Installer checked: "/LocalApps/X" and deleted only this file. No Errors were reported. So I deleted all the other files with the WorkspaceManager. Does anybody know an explanation for this strange behaviour? Is the Installer of NS3.1 no more able to read (some) old packages? BTW.: Does somebody know the fixes to get Mouse-X X11R4 running under NS3.1? (I don't think "Get the X11R5-Version!" is the right fix.. ;-) ) - Kai ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kai Fuhrmeister next@lehre.informatik.uni-bremen.de Voltastr. 52 (PLEASE NO NEXTMAIL) 28357 Bremen GERMANY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "No, no, I am not an BETA-Tester, I've PAID for this OS!"
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem trying to dial out from standalone NeXT Message-ID: <22597@news.duke.edu> Date: 26 Oct 93 14:07:31 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Hey, folks-- There's got to be a quick, simple answer to this problem. I have a standalone Turbo Color at home running NS 3.1. I just bought a DoveFax modem, but I don't think the modem has anything to do with my problem. I have the latest version of kermit. I have my .kermrc file set up as follows: set file type binary set file name literal set prompt NeXT-Kermit> set line /dev/cub set modem hayes set sp 2400 dial tnnnnnnn <--- where nnnnnnn is the dialup number I want to use connect If I'm logged in as myself and enter "kermit" from a shell prompt, I get some message about "access permission denied for device /dev/cub" (that's the port I've got everything set for and that the modem is plugged into). If I change everything to use /dev/cua, same difference. If I login as root and try it (same .kermrc file), it works okay. But having to login as root to dial out is unacceptable. The owner of /dev/cua is uucp, group wheel, and permissions are set for owner read and write only. I experimented by changing the permissions to give group and other read and write access, and that worked--but once again, this is not acceptable since I shouldn't have to do this. I've dinked around with PrintManager but nothing seems to help. Can somebody give me a clue? Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: B7NS <B7NS@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> Subject: To buy a NeXT? Message-ID: <26OCT93.12436839.0021@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Sender: usenet@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Organization: McGill University Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 16:30:56 GMT Hello, my current computer system seems to be slowly giving in to the laws of entropy and I'm playing with the idea of buying a used NeXT machine. What I am concerned about is the support that I could expect to receive, if I need any. Does NeXT still support the hardware in terms of service, or is it Cannon? I would also appreciate any coments about the amount of software available, the quality of the software, etc. If I bought a machine with OS Release 2.x, how much would it cost me to upgrade it to 3.x Developer? I have read somewhere that all machines come with ALL software on a CD ROM, even if the installed hardrive allows for the 'small' release only. Does this mean that I could simply buy a larger harddrive and install the complete developer package from CD ROM, or would this be in violation of the licence? Finally, I was curious if the GDB debugger is the 'plain vanilla' version or if NeXT has provided a graphical front end for it... Thanks in advance for any responses. Please reply in email if possible, since I don't follow this group very often. Pete. ---------- Peter Twarecki b7ns@musicb.mcgill.ca petet@emf.lan.mcgill.ca
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next and humidifier in the same room? Message-ID: <55885@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 26 Oct 93 15:52:34 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I am considering buying a humidifier for my bedroom, but I have my NeXT in my bedroom. Am I correct in assuming that the humidifier could harm the computer? Is there a solution except for removing the computer or not using the humidifier? Thanks, Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S. Hodges) Subject: NTSC Video Output? Message-ID: <1993Oct26.171435.2767@lighthouse.com> Keywords: video, NTSC, composite Sender: wiley@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:14:35 GMT Citizens and denizens of NetLand: I need your help. I'm looking for information on hardware devices for NEXTSTEP-compatible Intel machines which would give me the ability to output to composite video. One of two ways would be fine: 1. Output to composite video using NXLiveVideoView a la NeXTDimension boards. -OR- 2. Output the entire display to composite video via some sync rate conversion, etc. Your help is immensely appreciated. Thanks in advance, --Wiley -- Wiley Hodges wiley@lighthouse.com Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Major Problems with CD-CROM on NS 3.1 (Black) Message-ID: <1993Oct25.111000.446@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <1993Oct24.184927.1107@ideal.muc.de> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 11:10:00 GMT In article <1993Oct24.184927.1107@ideal.muc.de> root@ideal.muc.de writes: > > I have also problems with BigGreen CD I and II. When I tried to > copy he couldn't find the files/directories anymore and after > that he couldn't show me the directories in the Browser. If you have a black NeXT you can replace the CDROM-filesystem. Get it from a 3.0 system and you're happy again. /thomas> l /usr/filesystems/CDROM.fs/ total 80 -r--r--r-- 1 root 3546 Mar 26 1992 CDROM.fs.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 root 5 Sep 28 12:07 CDROM.label -rw-r--r-- 1 root 16 Sep 28 12:07 CDROM.name -r--r--r-- 1 root 3546 Mar 26 1992 CDROM.openfs.tiff -rwsr-xr-x 1 root 24576 Jul 22 1992 CDROM.util* -rw-r--r-- 1 root 46224 Jul 22 1992 CDROM_reloc -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Two problems/questions about 3.1 gdb (on m68k machine) Message-ID: <1993Oct25.111216.502@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2acc7h$2rb@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 11:12:16 GMT In article <2acc7h$2rb@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > The online documentation for gdb has a description of a very > useful command called data-break. Unfortunately, NeXT's gdb does > not recognize this command at all. Is the documentation out-of-date > or ahead of its time? > Data breaks have been removed in 3.1. You can still use a 3.0-gdb and have data breaks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: NS3.1 upgrading Message-ID: <1993Oct26.201844.14792@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 20:18:44 GMT Whoops. I forgot to mention that the upgrades are for black hardware. Sorry... Eugene Mah -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "For I am a Bear of Very Department of Radiology Little Brain, and University of Alberta Hospitals long words bother me." Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Winnie the Pooh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: NS3.1 upgrading Message-ID: <1993Oct26.201713.14715@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 20:17:13 GMT Hi, in between here and there, now and then, all the stuff I had collected on the NS 3.1 upgrade pricing got mashed. So i'm hoping some kind soul will supply me with the proper pricing for the 3.1 upgrade. What I need, is to upgrade 10 machines from 3.0 -> 3.1. What is the educational price on this? What does it include? Is it the developer + user all bundled together, or are they separate. If they are separate, what is the pricing? The idea of having 20 different CDs sitting around and cluttering my already small computing area isn't very appealing, so is it possible to buy 10 licenses and only get 1 set of CDs? Is there someone at NeXT I can e-mail for all this info? Thanks alot for the help! Eugene Mah -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "For I am a Bear of Very Department of Radiology Little Brain, and University of Alberta Hospitals long words bother me." Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Winnie the Pooh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duling@niehs.nih.gov Subject: Dos partition on NS/FIP question Message-ID: <1993Oct26.204728.18389@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: world Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 20:47:28 GMT Hello. Can someone tell me how to use the DOS partition created by the NS/FIP installation ? I just installed NS/FIP and told the install program to create a small DOS partition. Everything else went fine. Then I tried to use the DOS 6.0 icon in the Workspace Manager and .... it failed ! the ugly "abort retry fail" in the command.com window. I then eventually shut down and rebooted, chose dos and .... it failed! First it said "Starting MSDOS..." and it just stuck. So I tried to reboot and the boot prompt would not accept ANY keyboard input etc..... I am currently re-installing NS (68% done!) and hope someone can tell me how I can use the tiny little DOS partition that NS created. Any help is greatly appreciated. -- Dave Duling net. duling@niehs.nih.gov tel. 919-541-3381
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: tcl7.0 and tk3.3 Message-ID: <scott.751310924@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 17:28:44 GMT I'd like to hear from anyone who has successfully compiled and tested tcl7.0 and tk3.3 on NeXTSTEP 3.1....I've been struggling for days and keep getting failures on the tests, especially in tcl... thanks, scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "In another novel, I *am* you"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: HELP: TERM1.0.7 problem Message-ID: <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 23:35:21 GMT Hi, I was using the TERM for a while until today, it suddenly does not work. It seems like it is running, but I can use the "trsh" to connect to the TERM server...... Any clue? Thanks in advance, Andy
From: ice@nova.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JANA? Date: 26 Oct 1993 21:00:12 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <2akh6s$ono@nova.umd.edu> So what's with the JANA CD's? It's been *quite* a while since I last got one. Thanks, Fredrik
From: jcd@aladdin.aero.org (John C Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help!! Can't upgrade system Date: 27 Oct 1993 03:05:09 GMT Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Message-ID: <2akoh5$9tt@news.aero.org> Orginal Configuration: 030 cube, Optical Disk, NS 2.1 Upgrade Configuration: 25 Mhz 040 board, Quantam PD700s 700 Mbyte hard drive, internal floppy disk , Apple CD300 cdrom drive, NS 3.1 developer on cd rom. 1. Using the boot floppy from 3.1 and the CD rom drive and the 040 mother board configuration to try to build my hard disk, the peripherials are recognized (the disk name, cd rom drive name and the 3.1 developer disk appear in the intial boot up sequence), but after building the disk from stratch the moniter says "sc: message REJECT RECEIVED" numerous times. Next it returns "This is going to be a build from scratch? yes or no. And then there are several other questions about the installation. Once these are done and the disk is initialized the upgrade process begins. I can see the CD drive reading and the hard disk attempting to write. It starts by writing usr/standalone/boot but it never successfully completes this procedure. The reading writing sequence goes on for several minutes but never gets past usr/standalone/boot. 2. Next an attempt was made to build a disk using a 2.1 optical to the hard drive and the orginal 030 motherboard. The build was successful, but when the default device was changed to the hard disk for bootup the system would not boot up all the way and eventually went into the mini mach window. 3. Using the 040 motherboard the system would not boot up completly using 2.1 from the optical. the system checks were successful but the login panel would not come up only the mouse. The system will boot up in single user mode. The same OD would boot up correctly with the 030 board installed. I have checked the SCSI termination and I think it is correct. I would like to hear any recommended trouble shooting procedures I should use. John Davis jcd@aladdin.aero.org ( NeXT Mail Welcome) 310 336-5423 w 310 595-9651 h
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: TERM1.0.7 problem Date: 27 Oct 1993 02:35:08 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2akmos$cn3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> In article <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >I was using the TERM for a while until today, it suddenly does not work. It >seems like it is running, but I can use the "trsh" to connect to the TERM >server...... Any clue? I'm having exactly the same experience! I've been using the term binary shipped with TipTop for about a week with no problems, and now today, any term client (ncftp, trsh, NewsGrazer after tredir has redirected the news port, etc.) all hang when run :-( Has some sort of timebomb been compiled into TipTop's term? Or is this a national conspiracy ?-) -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: turnbull@datarev.datarev.COM (Steve Turnbull) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JANA? I Beginning to wonder Date: 27 Oct 1993 00:33:00 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9310270333.AA00886@datarev.datarev.com> (Fredrik Nyman) writes; >So what's with the JANA CD's? It's been *quite* a while >since I last got one. >Thanks, >Fredrik I e-mailed JANA and here is the response I got. I am still waiting for my CD. It's now 20 days and counting for something I was supposed to receive in 10 days. >From: info@jana.com (Info)>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 22:30:00 -0400 >Organization: JANA Technoligis Group Inc >The july/august issue was cancelled due to two factors: First was the >fact that we were delayed considerably due to the OneBBS Convention, and >second was that there simply wasn't enough software to sufficiently fill >a CD to a comfortable level. (We do not publish half-full CDs, since we >feel it essentially cheats the customer out of several hundred megs of >potential space that could otherwise be filled with software. We also >do not duplicate, and do not believe in filling unused space with >reissues of software found on previous discs. We would rather cancel >that edition and continue to collect the software until there is enough >softwre to fill the CD, while the subscriber still receives the sme >number of CDs, regardless of the tenure of their subscription) >THe September/October issue will be mailed within ten days. >Eric Steve Turnbull turnbull@datarev.com NeXTMail Welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,netcom.internet From: srs@netcom.com (Scott R. Schreiman) Subject: ISDN? Need opinions Message-ID: <srsCFJMxF.J0L@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 06:48:51 GMT Does anybody have any experience with ISDN? Is it worth it? I am relocating to NY. My roommate will use his machine (MAC) online quite a bit and so will I. I have a NeXT, BTW. So it seems to use that ISDN could be quite nice. The Nynex salesperson said that an ISDN line (both data channels and the one voice) is less expensive than with two regular telephone lines. Does anybody know if this works out to be true? What about internet service providers? I am on Netcom now with a personal account and had been considering a SLIP PNC. Netcom is not in NY yet but they told me "soon". I don't see anything about ISDN in any of their materials. Is the cost similar (let's say to a SLIP PNC)? What about other service providers in the NY area? Panix? What about equipment? I understand that Hayes has an ISDN Extender (?) for the NeXT. Does it work? What software does it use? I currently use Microphone Pro and NXFax with my ZyXel modem. So, also, what about Faxing? Sorry about all the questions but I need to decide quickly and I can't think of a better place to ask. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Shalom, Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Scott R. Schreiman email: srs@netcom.com (NeXTmail OK) | | 6781 Vista del Sol Drive vox: (714) 847 1508 | | Huntington Beach, CA 92647 fax: (714) 375 0958 9am - 5pm PDT | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: PRESS RELEASE: ANDI product catalog is under development Message-ID: <CFIFzJ.CvK@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP,NeXT Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:21:17 GMT Greetings: With 3.2 scheduled to ship, we are starting to put together the first ANDI catalog. We do not have prices for participating but want to get an idea as to the interest level. ANDI members will receive special discounts but catalog submissions will be accepted from any interested party. Since our experience at tradeshows has been one that indicates that there are a lot of people who are interested but not currently using NeXTSTEP we plan on putting out a print version. We will put an electronic copy on the ANDI InfoServer. We are looking at producing this 4 times a year with publication centered around our tradeshow schedule. The goal is to produce a good looking, but low cost (for both ANDI and you) catalog in print that we can afford to give away by the 1,000's. We have found that people want to pick up something which will let them read about NeXTSTEP as well as what 3rd party Apps and services are available. As part of the catalog we would look for a member price, list, and "other" (such as educational, government, etc.) price. We are also working with a company who is interested in acting as a wholesale distributor/fulfillment house. Paget Press and NeXTConnection are setup to handle the current retail buyer. We are trying to help set up a channel for the reseller and help direct the buyer to a reseller or wholesaler, which ever is appropriate. To this end, we might also ask for a separate wholesale price which would be a separate document to go only to resellers. If you are interested send mail to:marketing@andi.org In the subject field: ANDI catalog - yes You may provide us with any feedback you like. We will put you on our list to receive more info as it becomes available. --- Bill Strehl Executive Director Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International For information about becoming an ANDI member: reply to:membership@nextsrv1.andi.org or call: 301-681-0613
From: ccwf@soren.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: TERM1.0.7 problem Date: 27 Oct 1993 10:40:05 GMT Organization: FTL Enterprises, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2alj65$hbm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <2akmos$cn3@darkstar.ucsc.edu> In article <2akmos$cn3@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, Art Isbell <isbell@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: >In article <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >>[stuff about term suddenly not working] >[likewise] If you want to stick with the current version of term, you need to patch the source files and change the variables which refer to time to be unsigned ints instead of ints. The problem occurred because the term measures time in 20ths of a second, so it multiplies the seconds since 1/1/70 GMT by 20 to get internal time. What happened? You guessed it! Yesterday, near 12:08 am PDT, 20*time wrapped and became -MAXINT, throwing the program into chaos. I had an exact patch from the author for this, but, unfortunately, I threw it away since I had already fixed my version myself. Your second choice is to get the newest version, 1.08, rushed out to fix the time problem. It also has some new features. Beware that it uses a slightly different protocol and I don't know how much testing it was able to receive in light of the emergency. v1.08 can be found at tartarus.uwa.edu.au:/pub/oreillym/term/term108.tar.gz I didn't check to see if it has been copied to the other archive site.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,netcom.internet Subject: Re: ISDN? Need opinions Date: 27 Oct 1993 12:39:11 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <2alq5f$jsg@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <srsCFJMxF.J0L@netcom.com> In article <srsCFJMxF.J0L@netcom.com>, Scott R. Schreiman <srs@netcom.com> wrote: >Does anybody have any experience with ISDN? Is it worth it? Relative term. I use it and would sure hate to get along without it now. >The Nynex salesperson said that an ISDN line (both data channels and the one >voice) is less expensive than with two regular telephone lines. I'd be wary there. It's rather apples and oranges. My ISDN bill (which I don't have to pay, thank goodness) is $200-$300 a month. >What about equipment? I understand that Hayes has an ISDN Extender (?) for the >NeXT. Does it work? Major warning: the Hayes extender does *not* work! I have (in addition to an AT&T NT-1 interface) a Combinet bridge. This stuff is provided by my employer, and costs are dropping, but it's still expensive. I think the NT-1 (there are several vendors) is about $500 now and the bridge is about $1700. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-----------> Love is missing someone even when they're with you. <-----------]
From: hugh@ear.mit.edu (Hugh Secker-Walker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: TERM1.0.7 problem Date: 27 Oct 93 10:39:34 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <HUGH.93Oct27103934@ear.mit.edu> References: <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> In-reply-to: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu's message of Tue, 26 Oct 1993 23:35:21 GMT In article <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: I was using the TERM for a while until today, it suddenly does not work. It seems like it is running, but I can use the "trsh" to connect to the TERM server...... Any clue? You and hundreds of others. TERM had an accidental time bomb. Begin forwarded message: Return-Path: <owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi> From: "Linux Activists" <linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi> To: "Linux-Activists" <linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi> Reply-To: "Linux-Activists" <linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi> X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: TERM' to your mail body or header Subject: Linux-Activists - TERM Channel digest. 93-9-27-10:19 X-Mn-Key: TERM Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 14:08:54 +0200 Topics: Term 1.0.8 Stumped: term suddenly stopped working? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael O'Reilly" <oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> Subject: Term 1.0.8 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 08:30:36 +0200 Just in case people haven't seen this yet.... > > Topics: > Stumped: term suddenly stopped working? Yes, this is a form letter. :) Get term108 tartarus.uwa.edu.au:/pub/oreillym/term/term108.tar.gz alternatively, here's a patch... (thanks jeff) (note that this patch is enough to get term working, but it doesn't contain everything in term 108). diff -C 5 term.old/main.c term/main.c *** term.old/main.c Mon Mar 8 23:12:19 1993 --- term/main.c Tue Oct 26 03:57:55 1993 *************** *** 19,29 **** * basically consists of select() and then calls things based on the select(). * */ /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* truely global vars. Used everywhere. */ ! int current_time = 0; int do_shutdown = 0; int debug = 0; int compressing = 1; /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Various global variables. Note that most of these vars are local to */ --- 19,29 ---- * basically consists of select() and then calls things based on the select(). * */ /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* truely global vars. Used everywhere. */ ! unsigned long current_time = 0; int do_shutdown = 0; int debug = 0; int compressing = 1; /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Various global variables. Note that most of these vars are local to */ *************** *** 39,49 **** int fudge_flow = 0; /* should we generate periodic control-Q's */ int byte_shift = 0; /* So we can map less frequently uses section down to */ /* 0-32 */ int window_size = 3; /* A convenient number. 9600 baud users should probly */ /* go to 2. */ ! int packet_timeout = 70; /* wait 3.5 seconds for a packet to time out */ int do_forceing = 1; /* weather or not to automatically transmit packets */ /* if the window is full, and the out */ /* buffer is empty. */ int write_noise = 0; /* whether we should print out all the the serial stuff */ /* we get that we don't understand.. */ --- 39,49 ---- int fudge_flow = 0; /* should we generate periodic control-Q's */ int byte_shift = 0; /* So we can map less frequently uses section down to */ /* 0-32 */ int window_size = 3; /* A convenient number. 9600 baud users should probly */ /* go to 2. */ ! unsigned long packet_timeout = 70; /* wait 3.5 seconds for a packet to time out */ int do_forceing = 1; /* weather or not to automatically transmit packets */ /* if the window is full, and the out */ /* buffer is empty. */ int write_noise = 0; /* whether we should print out all the the serial stuff */ /* we get that we don't understand.. */ diff -C 5 term.old/misc.c term/misc.c *** term.old/misc.c Sun Mar 7 20:07:44 1993 --- term/misc.c Tue Oct 26 04:02:01 1993 *************** *** 10,27 **** void update_time(void) { struct timeval t; extern int bytes_left; ! long old_time = current_time; #ifdef SVR4 gettimeofday(&t); #else gettimeofday(&t, (struct timezone *) 0 ); #endif ! current_time = t.tv_sec * 20 + t.tv_usec / 50000; bytes_left += (((current_time - old_time) * baudrate) / 200); if (bytes_left > (baudrate/10)) bytes_left = (baudrate/10); if (bytes_left < 0) bytes_left = 0;/* sanity check */ } --- 10,28 ---- void update_time(void) { struct timeval t; extern int bytes_left; ! unsigned long old_time = current_time; #ifdef SVR4 gettimeofday(&t); #else gettimeofday(&t, (struct timezone *) 0 ); #endif ! current_time = ((unsigned long)t.tv_sec) * (unsigned long)20 + ! (unsigned long)(t.tv_usec / 50000); bytes_left += (((current_time - old_time) * baudrate) / 200); if (bytes_left > (baudrate/10)) bytes_left = (baudrate/10); if (bytes_left < 0) bytes_left = 0;/* sanity check */ } diff -C 5 term.old/serial.c term/serial.c *** term.old/serial.c Sun Feb 14 23:30:08 1993 --- term/serial.c Tue Oct 26 03:56:10 1993 *************** *** 204,214 **** /* packet timeout period and that we */ /* actually found a packet. */ if (p_out[l].type < 0) return; ! if (current_time - p_out[l].timeout < packet_timeout) return; /* And then we send it. */ if (fudge_flow && p_out[l].timeout) put_serial(19); --- 204,214 ---- /* packet timeout period and that we */ /* actually found a packet. */ if (p_out[l].type < 0) return; ! if (current_time < (p_out[l].timeout + packet_timeout)) return; /* And then we send it. */ if (fudge_flow && p_out[l].timeout) put_serial(19); diff -C 5 term.old/term.h term/term.h *** term.old/term.h Mon Mar 8 23:12:35 1993 --- term/term.h Tue Oct 26 03:56:43 1993 *************** *** 20,34 **** /* compressed packet */ /* packed (sevenbit) packet */ /* ack packet */ /* main.c */ extern int - current_time, remote, clients_waiting, - packet_timeout, debug, window_size, write_noise, byte_shift, term_errno, --- 20,33 ---- /* compressed packet */ /* packed (sevenbit) packet */ /* ack packet */ /* main.c */ + extern unsigned long current_time, packet_timeout; extern int remote, clients_waiting, debug, window_size, write_noise, byte_shift, term_errno, *************** *** 84,94 **** /* serial.c */ struct Packet_out { un_char data[260]; int type; /* flag for compressed or not */ int len; ! int timeout; /* What time it will timeout */ int trans; }; struct Packet_in { un_char data[260]; --- 83,93 ---- /* serial.c */ struct Packet_out { un_char data[260]; int type; /* flag for compressed or not */ int len; ! unsigned long timeout; /* What time it will timeout */ int trans; }; struct Packet_in { un_char data[260]; ------------------------------ From: "James H. Cloos Jr." <cloos@rahul.net> Subject: Stumped: term suddenly stopped working? Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:14:03 +0200 Term also quite for me last night. I recompiled 1.08 (I'd been running 1.06) & everything is working now. My symptoms were exactly like yours. Interesting, eh? -JimC -- James H. Cloos, Jr. include <std/qotd> cloos@Rahul.NET include <std/disclaimers.h> (cloos@io.com) Snail: POBox 1111, Amherst, NY 14226-1111 Phone: +1 716 673-1250 (voice only, for now) ------------------------------ End of TERM Digest ****************** -------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: HELP: TERM1.0.7 problem Message-ID: <1993Oct27.145252.4681@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <HUGH.93Oct27103934@ear.mit.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 14:52:52 GMT In article <HUGH.93Oct27103934@ear.mit.edu> hugh@ear.mit.edu (Hugh Secker-Walker) writes: >In article <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > > I was using the TERM for a while until today, it suddenly does not work. It > seems like it is running, but I can use the "trsh" to connect to the TERM > server...... Any clue? > >You and hundreds of others. TERM had an accidental time bomb. I Get term108 from tartarus.uwa.edu.au:/pub/oreillym/term/term108.tar.gz And now it is alive again! Cheers, Many thanks to everybody who helped on this recovery. Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: Xmosaic 12 bit depth? Message-ID: <scott.751727395@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 13:09:55 GMT I've heard rumours that there is a patch that can be applied to Xmosaic that will allow it to work with a 12 bit NeXTstation colour (ok 16bit). Older versions worked, but newers complain that it's not 24 or 8 and will either crash or not display images... I'd like to find this patch, or hear what to do, if anyone knows... thanks. scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "In another novel, I *am* you"
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: HELP: TERM1.0.7 problem Date: 27 Oct 1993 15:30:02 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2am45q$h9m@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <2akmos$cn3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In article <2akmos$cn3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: >In article <1993Oct26.233521.3756@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >>I was using the TERM for a while until today, it suddenly does not work. It >>seems like it is running, but I can use the "trsh" to connect to the TERM >>server...... Any clue? >I'm having exactly the same experience! I've been using the term binary >shipped with TipTop for about a week with no problems, and now today, any term >client (ncftp, trsh, NewsGrazer after tredir has redirected the news port, >etc.) all hang when run :-( >Has some sort of timebomb been compiled into TipTop's term? Or is this a >national conspiracy ?-) No, no national conspiracy, just a programmer's bug in which time values were stored in ints that overflowed on 26 October 1993 :-) From term's author: > Michael, > Several NeXT users around the U.S. awakened on 26 Oct. 1993 to discover > that their "term" 1.0.7 no longer functions! Everything appears normal until > > one of term's clients is run like trsh which hangs. Running term under "test > " > also results in trsh hanging. > However, if the system clock is set back to before 26 Oct. 1993, "test" > works again as expected!! > Do you have any explanation or fix for this? Yes, .... Forward this to anyone you know how may be using term.... > > Topics: > Stumped: term suddenly stopped working? Yes, this is a form letter. :) Get term108 tartarus.uwa.edu.au:/pub/oreillym/term/term108.tar.gz alternatively, here's a partial patch... (thanks jeff) diff -C 5 term.old/main.c term/main.c *** term.old/main.c Mon Mar 8 23:12:19 1993 --- term/main.c Tue Oct 26 03:57:55 1993 *************** *** 19,29 **** * basically consists of select() and then calls things based on the select(). * */ /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* truely global vars. Used everywhere. */ ! int current_time = 0; int do_shutdown = 0; int debug = 0; int compressing = 1; /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Various global variables. Note that most of these vars are local to */ --- 19,29 ---- * basically consists of select() and then calls things based on the select(). * */ /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* truely global vars. Used everywhere. */ ! unsigned long current_time = 0; int do_shutdown = 0; int debug = 0; int compressing = 1; /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Various global variables. Note that most of these vars are local to */ *************** *** 39,49 **** int fudge_flow = 0; /* should we generate periodic control-Q's */ int byte_shift = 0; /* So we can map less frequently uses section down to */ /* 0-32 */ int window_size = 3; /* A convenient number. 9600 baud users should probly */ /* go to 2. */ ! int packet_timeout = 70; /* wait 3.5 seconds for a packet to time out */ int do_forceing = 1; /* weather or not to automatically transmit packets */ /* if the window is full, and the out */ /* buffer is empty. */ int write_noise = 0; /* whether we should print out all the the serial stuff */ /* we get that we don't understand.. */ --- 39,49 ---- int fudge_flow = 0; /* should we generate periodic control-Q's */ int byte_shift = 0; /* So we can map less frequently uses section down to */ /* 0-32 */ int window_size = 3; /* A convenient number. 9600 baud users should probly */ /* go to 2. */ ! unsigned long packet_timeout = 70; /* wait 3.5 seconds for a packet to time out */ int do_forceing = 1; /* weather or not to automatically transmit packets */ /* if the window is full, and the out */ /* buffer is empty. */ int write_noise = 0; /* whether we should print out all the the serial stuff */ /* we get that we don't understand.. */ diff -C 5 term.old/misc.c term/misc.c *** term.old/misc.c Sun Mar 7 20:07:44 1993 --- term/misc.c Tue Oct 26 04:02:01 1993 *************** *** 10,27 **** void update_time(void) { struct timeval t; extern int bytes_left; ! long old_time = current_time; #ifdef SVR4 gettimeofday(&t); #else gettimeofday(&t, (struct timezone *) 0 ); #endif ! current_time = t.tv_sec * 20 + t.tv_usec / 50000; bytes_left += (((current_time - old_time) * baudrate) / 200); if (bytes_left > (baudrate/10)) bytes_left = (baudrate/10); if (bytes_left < 0) bytes_left = 0;/* sanity check */ } --- 10,28 ---- void update_time(void) { struct timeval t; extern int bytes_left; ! unsigned long old_time = current_time; #ifdef SVR4 gettimeofday(&t); #else gettimeofday(&t, (struct timezone *) 0 ); #endif ! current_time = ((unsigned long)t.tv_sec) * (unsigned long)20 + ! (unsigned long)(t.tv_usec / 50000); bytes_left += (((current_time - old_time) * baudrate) / 200); if (bytes_left > (baudrate/10)) bytes_left = (baudrate/10); if (bytes_left < 0) bytes_left = 0;/* sanity check */ } diff -C 5 term.old/serial.c term/serial.c *** term.old/serial.c Sun Feb 14 23:30:08 1993 --- term/serial.c Tue Oct 26 03:56:10 1993 *************** *** 204,214 **** /* packet timeout period and that we */ /* actually found a packet. */ if (p_out[l].type < 0) return; ! if (current_time - p_out[l].timeout < packet_timeout) return; /* And then we send it. */ if (fudge_flow && p_out[l].timeout) put_serial(19); --- 204,214 ---- /* packet timeout period and that we */ /* actually found a packet. */ if (p_out[l].type < 0) return; ! if (current_time < (p_out[l].timeout + packet_timeout)) return; /* And then we send it. */ if (fudge_flow && p_out[l].timeout) put_serial(19); diff -C 5 term.old/term.h term/term.h *** term.old/term.h Mon Mar 8 23:12:35 1993 --- term/term.h Tue Oct 26 03:56:43 1993 *************** *** 20,34 **** /* compressed packet */ /* packed (sevenbit) packet */ /* ack packet */ /* main.c */ extern int - current_time, remote, clients_waiting, - packet_timeout, debug, window_size, write_noise, byte_shift, term_errno, --- 20,33 ---- /* compressed packet */ /* packed (sevenbit) packet */ /* ack packet */ /* main.c */ + extern unsigned long current_time, packet_timeout; extern int remote, clients_waiting, debug, window_size, write_noise, byte_shift, term_errno, *************** *** 84,94 **** /* serial.c */ struct Packet_out { un_char data[260]; int type; /* flag for compressed or not */ int len; ! int timeout; /* What time it will timeout */ int trans; }; struct Packet_in { un_char data[260]; --- 83,93 ---- /* serial.c */ struct Packet_out { un_char data[260]; int type; /* flag for compressed or not */ int len; ! unsigned long timeout; /* What time it will timeout */ int trans; }; struct Packet_in { un_char data[260]; -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: daniel@vis.inf.ethz.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) Subject: I need a WORKING Appletalk/Appleshare Message-ID: <1993Oct27.150302.19388@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Verein der Informatikstudierenden an der ETH Zuerich Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 15:03:02 GMT Here at the ETH, we have some Macs installed, and most people prefere them over our Sparc-Station (even more since we got Solaris 2.2 *RAAAAAAAH*). Here at the students assocication we have two mostly working machines: an NeXT-Monostation, and a MAC LC II, both on our Ethernet. Most people in the working here _hate_ the NeXT, simply because it doesn't do, what the Mac does, and the NeXT doesn't, these are simply two things: -Sharing Files via Appleshare and the Mac-Server -Printing via Apple-talk to our own Laser-Writer (we do it by now via an public-domain lpdaemon on the Mac, but it doesn't work from time to time....) So, does anybody have, or know about a REALLY STABLE appleshare-solution on the NeXT side, not this almost-everytime crashing thing, that came with 3.0 ?? -daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge - Quaestor VIS E-Mail: daniel@vis.inf.ethz.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) VIS-Buero: VIS ETH-Zentrum IFW B29 CH-8092 Zuerich Tel 01/632-7212 Oeffnugszeiten waehrend dem Semester : Mo - Fr : 1215 - 1300
From: dmb@min.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) Newsgroups: rec.games.int-fiction,rec.games.misc,comp.sys.mac.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,rec.games.programmer Subject: The Unnkulian Unventures: Aliens ate my Cheez Kee Followup-To: rec.games.int-fiction Date: 27 Oct 1993 17:21:59 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Message-ID: <2amannINNp2@life.ai.mit.edu> Summary: FTP three neato games from a site near you! Keywords: text adventures interactive fiction unnkulian unventure games [FYI: I post this approximately once a month.] New this time: - Coming October 31st: The Horror of Rylvania! Scare yourself silly on Halloween! - Mac versions have been updated to use the TADS 2.1.1 run-time. This fixes a bug that made boldface text come out in parens. (You still don't get boldface, but you don't get the parens now.) - A beta version of the Amiga run-time is available now. - An IBM RT version of the runtime is available now. - A VAX (Ultrix) port of the run-time should be available soon. *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* The Unnkulian Unventure Series Adventure Games for the 90's Remember the good old days, when adventure games challenged you with great puzzles and evocative descriptions without resorting to any graphics at all? We really miss that emphasis on gameplay rather than glitz, so we've decided to write our own adventure games along the lines of the early text games we liked so much. If you're looking for top-quality interactive fiction comparable to 1980's commercial offerings, check out the Unnkulian Unventure series, available from an archive site near you! In _Unnkulian Underworld: The Unknown Unventure_ you play the part of Kuulest's slave, and must recover the Orb of Studosity from the evil Unnkulians. Kuulest, the old geezebag, has died and left you with nothing to go on but a cryptic message about saving the planet. You'll encounter amazing Acme products, the infamous Guardian, those witty creatures known as Drolls, a giant beaver, and even the Dread Unnkulian Warrior. <Gasp!> In _Unnkulian Unventure II: The Secret of Acme_ your adventure continues as you try to create some good press for yourself -- wouldn't want to fade into anonymous obscurity, now would you? Along the way, you'll find the answers to these compelling questions, and more: o What happened to the Unnkulians? o Why are Acme products so bad? o What is this cheez stuff, really? Plus, you'll get to explore Dawg Rock, a Duhdist Retreat, Acme's clandestine prototypes laboratory, and even pay a visit to Acme HQ. In _Unnkulia One-Half: The Salesman Triumphant_, you'll play the role of a down-and-out Acme salesman, forced to work out of the Golden Dragon Inn, dangerously near Dread Unnkulia. Will you accumulate enough loot in this frightful backwater berg to turn your fortunes in your favor? And, in _Unnkulia Zero: The Search for Amanda_, will you, the Valley King's most trusted warrior, rescue his Lady Amanda from the gruesome clutches of the evil Unnkulians? The Unnkulian Unventures have already gotten rave reviews from numerous adventure game connoisseurs around the world, so why not give them a try? The games are available for FTP from the if-archive at ftp.gmd.de. (Note that the site wuarchive.wustl.edu keeps a mirror of the if-archive in the mirrors directory.) PC and compatibles (running DOS): --------------------------------- if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnk1v30.zip if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnk2v30.zip if-archive/games/adventions/pc/unnkhz10.zip Macintosh: ---------- if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk1v30.sit.bin if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk2v30.sit.bin if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnkhz10.sit.bin (These are MacBinary files.) if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk1v30.sit.hqx if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnk2v30.sit.hqx if-archive/games/adventions/mac/unnkhz10.sit.hqx (These are Binhexed Stuffit 1.5.1 files.) Atari ST/TT/Falcon: ------------------- if-archive/games/adventions/atari/uu1v301.arc if-archive/games/adventions/atari/uu2v30.arc if-archive/games/adventions/atari/unnkhz10.arc Others: ------- if-archive/games/adventions/others/uu1v301.tar.Z if-archive/games/adventions/others/uu2v30.tar.Z if-archive/games/adventions/others/unnkhz10.tar.Z TADS now runs on lots of different systems. Because of this, the files listed above are TADS .GAM-file only archives that can be used with any machine that runs TADS. The tricky bit is that before you can play the games, you need to get the TADS run-time for your machine. Fortunately, this isn't hard to do. Just grab the TADS executable package for your machine from the if-archive: Sun Sparcstation (SunOS): if-archive/programming/tads/sparc-sunos.tads2exe.tar.Z Sun Sparcstation (Solaris): if-archive/programming/tads/sparc-solaris.tads2exe.tar.Z Sun 3: if-archive/programming/tads/sun3.tads2exe.tar.Z DECstation (MIPS) running Ultrix: if-archive/programming/tads/decmips.tads2exe.tar.Z SGI (Iris/Indigo/Indy) running Irix: if-archive/programming/tads/sgi-irix.tads2exe.tar.Z Linux (386): if-archive/programming/tads/linux.tads2exe.tar.Z NeXT: if-archive/programming/tads/NeXT.tads2exe.tar.Z IBM RT: if-archive/programming/tads/ibmrt.tads2exe.tar.Z Amiga: if-archive/programming/tads/AmiTADS210.lha (beta) Other Unix: In the works! The file How-To-Run-These-Games in the same directory gives your more information. NOTE: The source to TADS 2 is not distributable. However, if your machine isn't on the list yet, and you would like to volunteer to port TADS 2 to it, send email about it to Mike Roberts <mroberts@hinrg.starconn.com>. Porting to Unix-like systems is fairly trivial. *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* Unnkulian Unventures I and II are shareware ($10 registration fee each); registering gets you spiffy maps and agony-sparing hint sheets. Unnkulia One-Half is free -- don't pay us for it! Unnkulia One-Half comes with a playable demo of Unnkulia Zero and info on how to get the complete version. Happy adventioning! Dave Baggett ADVENTIONS Internet: dmb@ai.mit.edu Compuserve: 76440,2671 GEnie: ADVENTIONS A Word About TADS ----------------- We at ADVENTIONS use a programming language called TADS to write our games. TADS is a product of High Energy Software, and you can get it via FTP. TADS (and TADS goodies) are available for many systems from ftp.gmd.de. Look in the if-archive/programming/tads directory. TADS is also shareware, and we strongly encourage you to register it if you use it, since we feel it is a powerful, innovative, and very inexpensive development system that deserves to be paid for. __ dmb@ai.mit.edu Boot up, log in, drop out. MIT AI Lab ADVENTIONS: We make Kuul text adventures! Ask about Unnkulian 1, 2, 0, 1/2 PO Box 851 Columbia, MD 21044 USA / CIS: 76440,2671 / GEnie: ADVENTIONS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: ncurses1.8 on sonata corrupted Message-ID: <1993Oct26.175228.1432@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:52:28 GMT The recently submitted version of ncurses (ncurses.1.8.tar.gz) on sonata is corrupted. (as usual :-( ) It will be deleted soon. So get it from cs.orst.edu ! (about ncurses: see comp.sys.next.announce ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) Subject: Re: Problem trying to dial out from standalone NeXT Message-ID: <1993Oct27.184733.9235@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <22597@news.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 18:47:33 GMT Denise Blakeley (blake015@mc.duke.edu) wrote: : Hey, folks-- : There's got to be a quick, simple answer to this problem. : I have a standalone Turbo Color at home running NS 3.1. I just bought a : DoveFax modem, but I don't think the modem has anything to do with my problem. [kermit setup munched] yes, you will have to 'suid' kermit by: #chown uucp.daemon /usr/local/bin/kermit #chmod 4755 /usr/local/bin/kermit If you look at the kermit-docu, you will see that kermit tries to avoid security holes by using the getrealuserid call. : I've dinked around with PrintManager but nothing seems to help. Can somebody What did you you use Printmanager for ? : Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar : Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, : Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for : (919) 286-6468 W | reward. : blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome! -daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
From: rs05@newshost.gte.com (Russell Sasnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP development, Windows, futures ... Message-ID: <16196@ceylon.gte.com> Date: 27 Oct 93 20:51:02 GMT Sender: news@ceylon.gte.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA when you're comparing Windows and NEXTSTEP development, don't do the "apples vs. oranges" thing. be realistic; look at the best each has to offer. straight Windows SDK stuff with a C compiler and a text editor is probably quite miserable compared to something like Interface Builder, Project Builder, the on-line RTFD manuals, hyper help, etc. but take a look at Visual Basic (or Visual C++, if you can stand that "other" non-standard C language). :) you don't quite drag and drop controls; you select a desired control from a palette (like MacDraw) and then drag out a rectangle where you want it, then move it, resize it, etc.. you have an interactive property/value sheet that lets change any of a control's exported properties. if it's not a string-settable property (like a color or a picture) the "right" tool comes up to let you set it. you click "view code" and an object browser comes up, where you can go to any object and add code to its public event handlers. you can send a message to any object in your app, set and get its variables, and invoke methods, all from an INTERPRETED environment (speaking here of Visual Basic); you don't compile until you're ready to ship the app. as you type each line, it gets checked for proper syntax and often semantics (like, "object X doesn't have a property called Y"), and any errors are immediately pointed out. comments show up in green, keywords in blue; nice. if you forget how to talk to an object, pop up the on-line hypertext help system. pop back and forth between specs using hot buttons embedded in the text, make your own bookmarks, etc. this is analagous to the new NeXT help system, but it is simply more widespread in the Windows world; practically every app and even Windows itself use this feature. you can also extend the environment with perhaps 300 independent 3rd-party add-ons, custom controls, and libraries. yes Virginia, an object marketplace! need embedded spreadsheet functionality, a la Mesa? no sweat, there's a custom spreadsheet control with support for formulas, embedded controls, pictures, formatted text, etc, and a few hundred properties, events and messages so you can customize it like crazy. need a multi-format image viewing control? no sweat, there's at least three such controls listed in the VB "catalog." these add-ons just appear in your tool bar, ready to drop into new apps. you can also load dynamic link libraries (DLLs) at run-time, and call compiled C functions from your Basic code. there's even an OLE 2.0 control for embedding native productivity-app documents (Word, Excel, etc.) inside your VB app. then there's the fact that MS is embedding little object-oriented basic-derived scripting languages inside its productivity apps, and will soon (someday!) integrate them all as "Object Basic" as a slight superset of the Visual Basic language. my understanding is you can do multi-app automation right now from inside Visual Basic. there's also built-in support (in the Professional Version) for relational databases, either local or remote (using ODBC). the "native" format is of course Microsoft Access, but others such as dbase and Foxpro are supported. you can also talk to remote servers over the net, for databases like Oracle. you get a consistent table and record oriented view of these databases independent of vendor. you also have "data control" objects and "bound controls", that automatically update themselves to show information pulled from the "current record" in the attached database as you scroll back and forth. you can make SQL queries to any of the supported DBs. now, don't get me wrong; there's no doubt that NEXTSTEP and the AppKit and DBKit are far more powerful, can do a lot more, are more versatile, and of course look and feel better. but in the easy ramp-up category, I think NeXT could learn a few things here to reduce time to market on those MCCA's. :) in particular, having a SIMPLE interpreted language that is COMMON to all apps and runs inside the development environment (IB) is a very big win. HyperTalk doesn't cut it, but a true object-oriented language even as simple as Basic is a step in the right direction. NeXT itself must set the standard here to avoid confusion! I believe something like GNU Smalltalk would be great, although it is probably too awkward for the beginning programmer to un-learn the traditional if-then-else, do-while type of control blocks. I understand the difficulties of creating an Obj-C interpreter, and am NOT suggesting that at all. take a look at Xanthus' Craftman language as an example. very important to have full access to AppKit objects via the standard Obj-C messaging interface. also, must be able to dynamically load foreign C libraries and call in and out from the interpreted layer. and of course, full transparency with Distributed Objects is a must. also, the indexing kit and DBKit are fabulous; but there needs to be a VERY INEXPENSIVE record-oriented dbase-type library (or possibly server!!) that comes bundled with the developer system so you can try stuff out and develop simple db apps without investing several thousand bucks in a professional-class database server product from Oracle or Sybase (that has to run on yet another machine, too!). my apologies here if the latest indexing kit can do this; I haven't had time to upgrade yet. Visual Basic comes with a very simple form that lets you create and edit a Microsoft Access database (but with multiple tables, multiple indexes) right from the main menu. to do anything more complex, you need to buy the Access software; but you can get started without it, right out of the box. the key is to provide a library, but no user interface. just wanted to get a few more plugs in before that NS 4.0 feature freeze ... :) --Russ rs05@gte.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Fast '040 upgrades Message-ID: <CFJIKG.20r@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 05:14:40 GMT Sixty Eight Thousand Inc. just released a product called 68oh50! It's an upgrade for a Mac Quadra that replaces the existing CPU. It uses a Peltier cooling system. I wonder if it will work in a NeXT? Oh, I forgot, it's not cheap; $2500. Now if it were an '060 for that price, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This is what happen when you have nothing to do and read MacWeek. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a PD check-printing program? Date: 27 Oct 1993 23:37:24 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2an0nk$4d3@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Subject says most -- is there a program that will print checks, including the amount, to-whom, and Note line? I'm looking for something similear to Poste.app, that would print checks. Thanks in advance, Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | #include <std/disclaimer.h> -- -- | #include <std/apologies.h> -- -- Texas A&M University | #include <std/salutations.h> -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | #include <std/asbestos.h> --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,netcom.internet From: burns@bellcore.com (James E. Burns) Subject: Re: ISDN? Need opinions In-Reply-To: srs@netcom.com's message of Wed, 27 Oct 1993 06:48:51 GMT Message-ID: <BURNS.93Oct27204832@wildcat.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communication Research References: <srsCFJMxF.J0L@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 01:48:32 GMT > Does anybody have any experience with ISDN? Is it worth it? ... After quite a bit of start-up hassle I have been happily using my ISDN line for a few weeks now. 38.4K is noticeably better than 14.4K, especially for ftp's. My setup: NextCube, 68040, 25MHz, NeXTSTEP 3.1 AT&T 7506 ISDN phone (about $800, I think) Louis A. Mamakos SLIP (Dial-Up IP 920904) [Available as SLIP_920904-A.tar.z at cs.orst.edu] Things are not as smooth as I'd like, mainly because I have to go through a SecureID interface when logging in. Also, I still haven't been able to get the AT&T phone to take the line down when I take the connection down (I am trying to get more doc's on the phone). Right now, I am in a trial (Bellcore), so I don't have any out-of-pocket $$. I will consider picking up the line when the trial ends, but NJ Bell doesn't make it too attractive at the moment. The line costs $35/month, which would be OK (my regular line is <$10 + tax), but they also charge message units since it is a business line. They apparently don't think there is any residential market for ISDN -- I hope to change their minds. What didn't work: Marble Teleconnect Not certified for 3.1 (seems to work, but gives errors during booting) Can't be configured to get through SecureID A new version would solve my problems, but has no projected date. Hayes Extender Designed to work under the PhoneKit, which NeXT has dropped. If someone picked up PhoneKit & upgraded it to handle National ISDN-1 (which is now the standard), this would be a great way to go. The Extender uses the DSP port & so can (I think) exceed the 38.4K limit of the serial ports. It is also a lot cheaper than the Adapter or the AT&T phone. I haven't explored faxing options yet. Does anyone know if you can communicate faxes with non-ISDN phone cites? > The Nynex salesperson said that an ISDN line (both data channels and the one > voice) is less expensive than with two regular telephone lines. There are various ways to configure ISDN, but I think the lowest level (cheapest) service is one D channel + 2 B's. Mine is configured with one B for voice and one for data. The D is not for voice, but can, I understand, but used for faxing. So, I don't think you can run two data sessions at the same time & still talk on the phone. I am no expert on this & would welcome corrections and more info. jim burns -- :::Note!! Please send any replies to burns@nova.bellcore.com James E. Burns burns@nova.bellcore.com Bellcore, NVC-3X114 Off: (908) 758-2819 331 Newman Springs Road Fax: (908) 758-4371 Red Bank, NJ 07701-5699, USA Home: (908) 219-6561
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: I post here b/c I am a NeXT person and l find other NeXT people helpful Message-ID: <1993Oct28.001514.1250@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 00:15:14 GMT I was wondering if there is anything of the following type avaiable on the net, or other online services. Are there any classes or curriculum available over the net. It could be any kind, but it would seem to be a great way to have small classes for people who want to learn, and are nto forced to do so. You could have texts specified, and assignments of the appropriate types given. In addition, you already have ability to mailing list servers to enable small discussion groups. Lecturing would have to change to some other type of information transfer, but it could all work. Anyway, the reason I ask is that I would like to take an art history class, but don't want to take the time to get to a campus for one class. Let me know if you know anything. Thanks Wes -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group (UUCP and SENDMAIL Consultation) 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: alvin@cheddar.cse.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXHost 2.1 -> 3.1 Date: 28 Oct 1993 03:30:35 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Message-ID: <2anecr$q5j@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Hello! I seem to be having difficulty NXHost'ing programs from an 030 cube running NS2.1 to an Intel box running 3.1. The app (ImageViewer, Concurrence...) seems to run fine except the text on buttons and menus don't show up (except the first character) and some of the text fields and stuff in the save panel are all munched up. Is this supposed to work? NXHost'ing from the Intel box to the cube doesn't work at all due to DPS errors. -- Alvin Jee e-mail: alvin@cse.ucsc.edu NeXTMail gleefully accepted!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: NeXT corrupted dos archive files Message-ID: <1993Oct27.001509.1521@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <2ai6av$57t@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 00:15:09 GMT In article <2ai6av$57t@galaxy.ucr.edu> parn@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Thi V Nguyen) writes: > I've been downloading some dos zip, lha, and arc files and transfering > them to my dos floppy. When I try to unarchive them on the PC some > of them have CRC errors. Some of them won't even copy to the hard > drive because of a data error or general failure, you know the one that > says Abort, Ignore, Retry, Fail. > Sounds like a bad block on dos floppy :-( Look at the console if there are any error messages. -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) |
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: Database World in Chicago - 12/8-10, 1993 Message-ID: <CFKD4M.Mpr@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: NeXT,ANDI,NeXTSTEP,Database Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 16:14:42 GMT We found a lot of the people who stopped by our booth at PC Expo in Chicago asking about database tools and NeXTSTEP for their downsizing efforts. Because of this and the fact that Database World is in Chicago - 12/8-10, 1993, we thought we would see who is interested in exhibiting and/or having literature distributed. You can estimate costs based on our standard exhibit price schedule. This is the same one we sent out for the East Coast Conference. If there is enough demand we would be happy to put togther a joint venture for a 10' x 10' booth. --- Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International reply to:marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org
From: ja@sbp.com (JimSims AmyBoynton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Nikon CoolScan Date: 28 Oct 1993 07:41:59 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310281231.AA00253@sbp.com> We need help tracking down the company with the Nikon CoolScan package. If the company is reading, or if someone saved that information, please forward to us. Thank you, Jim
From: enyaw@quark.uucp (Wayne Simila-Dickinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pkunzip 2.04g Message-ID: <znr751768112k@quark.uucp> Date: 28 Oct 93 00:28:32 GMT Article-I.D.: quark.znr751768112k Organization: Wayne's World (hiz home) In article <2aidee$2jv@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu writes: > >> Opener3.1 (on the archives ) has a fat version of pkunzip 2.04, as well as > >> the sources. > > Well, not exactly. Opener contains Info-zip's zip and unzip, which are > compatible with PKWare's pkzip and pkunzip 2.04g. However, they are not > pkanything. I have email and news access only (UUCP), wher can I get Opener? I'd be willing to send omeone a prepaid mailer and a 1.44MB floppy.... -- more later. -Wayne ++===================================================================++ || Friends don't let friends use QWK on USENET || || Public PGP key available on request or by FINGER on quark || ++===================================================================++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Les Harvey <ljh@zoo.bt.co.uk> Subject: Space required for NS3.1/3.2 Message-ID: <1993Oct28.154629.26548@zoo.bt.co.uk> Sender: news@zoo.bt.co.uk Organization: Objects R Us Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 15:46:29 GMT Hi, I recall an earlier posting regarding the space required for NS 3.1/3.2. Somebody replied stating that some of the libraries where FAT for cross-platform development. I have a Turbo NeXTstation with an internal 400 MB drive, with NS 3.0 Developer installed, this leaves 124 MB free. Will this be sufficient space to upgrade to 3.1/3.2 ? Thanks Les Harvey E-mail : ljh@zoo.bt.co.uk Phone : +44 502 565658
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: PGP encryption for NS Message-ID: <1993Oct28.154105.15615@altsys.com> Summary: Where the heck is it? Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 15:41:05 GMT Is there any way to implement PGP encryption for mail on my NeXT (actually, i'd like to be able to encrypt files too)? E-mail or posting are both great ways to reply. I'll summarize if I find out anything... Yours, -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Organizing Gateway 2000 users of Nextstep! Message-ID: <1993Oct28.163823.4796@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:38:23 GMT Individual Nextstep users who run on a Gateway box are the select few, the brave, the proud... But increasingly we're feeling a little isolated, and sheer bravery and pride don't seem to suffice to get a system running smoothly. Since Gateway does not know anything about Nextstep, and the folks at NeXT can't keep compatibility information up to date with a quick and nimble clonemaker like Gateway, I thought it might be useful to organize and share information among Nextstep/Gateway users. For example, who knows which ATI Graphics Ultra Pro variant really works best under Nextstep? What happens next week when ATI releases Yet Another Chipset? Which CD ROM players work with Gateway and Nextstep? Has anybody installed a sound card that works? Why do machines fail to boot up sometimes; is something configured wrong? Why doesn't my new high speed modem work? NeXT won't answer these questions unless we pay. Gateway can't answer these questions at all. But all of us users seem to be going through the same process, over and over again, so invariably some of us can answer these questions for each other! So I'm putting together a mailing list of Nextstep Gateway users. I'm willing to initially collect and share email addresses, and I will try and set up an ftp site of useful files for anybody who sends me a note, but I don't have the expertise to set up any fancy automated listserver or any such thing. Anybody else willing to help? If you're interested in being on the list, send me a note, and in a week or two, I'll send you all back a list of all the email addresses and a summary of any interesting Nextstep/Gateway comments I've gotten. Hope to hear from you all. David Bau bau@cs.cornell.edu
From: jhalchin@alleg.edu (Judy Halchin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nikon CoolScan Date: 28 Oct 1993 14:23:04 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Message-ID: <2aokk8$51h@ftp.alleg.edu> References: <9310281231.AA00253@sbp.com> In article <9310281231.AA00253@sbp.com> ja@sbp.com (JimSims AmyBoynton) writes: > We need help tracking down the company with the Nikon CoolScan > package. If the company is reading, or if someone saved that > information, please forward to us. > The Coolscan film scanner and software can be purchased from Digital Direct 1316 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19107 1-800-993-4485 Judy Halchin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Mail Encryption Message-ID: <1993Oct26.210151.2781@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <2aid42$dl9@paperboy.ids.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 21:01:51 GMT In article <2aid42$dl9@paperboy.ids.net> rcfa@andi.org (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes: a) RSA has a patent on their prime number / factoring based public key cryptosystem that not only covers their particular algorithm but also the general concept of public key encryption. Thus while NeXT used a completely different method, they were prevented to ship in the USA because of the patent. (Fortunately the patent is only valid in this country and not worldwide) Don't assume that. A patent in a single country could grant rights for the holder of that patent in other countries. When you patent something you own the right for the patent itself but also on the "intellectual property" linked to the patent. Such "intellectual property" is in fact a Copyright. Other rules could apply and some reciprocity treaties could exist between a country and another one. b) NeXT was stupid enough to develop the stuff here rather than in Europe. Fact is that import of cryptosystems is legal to my knowledge, however export and reexport isn't. Thus had NeXT developed the software (i.e. only the encryption) in Europe and pressed the CD's in Europe they could have shipped the encryption. FALSE. There is a international association that prevent high technology transfert to the eastern block. Members of NATO are also member of that association (except Ireland). The US law that forbids encryption exports is just a local law that enforces the regulations of that association. Every member of that association has similar laws. A US company could not use its branches abroad to violate a US law. For instance, it is illegal for IBM-Canada to sale something to the Cuba. Once, the Canadian Government has been an intermediate between a Canadian susidary of a US company to sale to Cuba but for the US Governement that constitute a violation of US laws and any person (including the Minister that have conducted that affair) is subject to be emprisoned for that violation. In matter of defense or international commerce, US laws apply anywhere in the world, regardless of the local sovereignty. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Multi user whiteboard and encryption Message-ID: <1993Oct28.163719.9568@FreemanSoft.com> Keywords: FSGreyBoard encryption Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:37:19 GMT We are getting ready to put out another demonstration/evaluation version of FSGreyBoard and some associated applications. (FSGreyBoard is a multi user drawing program bassed on NeXT Distributed Objects.) And, the question of security has come up with respect to line snooping. The new version has hooks that support the encryption of the data part of all client server communications. Right now, the encryption object just passes cleartext. So the question, is: How many organizations think that encrypted data would be a big win in the product? (Remember that none of your NFS or Relational database traffic is currently encrypted) Thanks, -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a PD check-printing program? Date: 28 Oct 1993 23:21:24 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2apk5k$7ip@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2an0nk$4d3@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> In article <2an0nk$4d3@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) writes: > Subject says most -- is there a program that will print checks, > including the amount, to-whom, and Note line? I'm looking for > something similear to Poste.app, that would print checks. Check out [pardon the pun] "CheckSum" by Sirius Solutions. It is a very nice personal accountant/checkbook program, and also prints checks. Of course you need to get check stock paper separately, but he even includes references to where you can get it. Andreas is also a really cool guy (we had him for our user group meeting Tuesday), and is very helpful with fixes and improvements. It is not PD, but quite inexpensive ($95 commericial, $75 educational). - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TIP: dwrite Mail MailFilter to remove unwanted header lines Date: 29 Oct 1993 02:06:39 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aptrf$qv4@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: Mail, NeXT, NEXTSTEP, header This may already be known, but... If you want to remove mail headers like "X-Vms-To", "Precedence", or "Content-Transfer-Encoding" from appearing in Mail.app, do from Terminal (as one line): dwrite Mail MailFilter "Received:From :Status:Message-Id:Return-Path:Next-Reference:Errors-To:X-Sequence:Precedence:Content-Length:Conten t-Type:X-Vms-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:X-Mailer" (add more as needed separating each item by ":") Then quit Mail.app and restart it. To go back to original Mail.app behavior do: dremove Mail MailFilter Default MailFilter string for 3.0 is: MailFilter "Received:From :Status:Message-Id:Return-Path:Next-Reference" There is also: MailMarker "Subject:From:To:Cc:Attachment:Date:Reply-To:Sender:In-Reply-To" which I don't know the function of, but you can probably guess. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PS images of NeXT Computer wanted Date: 29 Oct 1993 04:50:29 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2aq7el$2fi@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Could some kind soul please mail me or point me in the direction of some nice postscript images of various NeXT hardware? I know there have been some images released on NeXT promotional material CDs and floppies but, alas, I don't have any of those. Your help is most appreciated. -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier | mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Time is just one damn thing after another. NeXTmail capable! | ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ants!root (Operator) Subject: problems with cs.orst.edu and backspace Message-ID: <1993Oct29.061529.477@ants.ci.net> Sender: root@ants.ci.net (Operator) Organization: Andover Newton Theological School Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 06:15:29 GMT Hi All, For the past few weeks, anything I've tried to download from cs.orst.edu won't unarchive properly, neither on my machine or on the host I dial into. I've downloaded a bit from sonata without the same kinds of problems? Any cluse as to what might be the problem? Also, I've been trying to get a copy of BackSpace for 2.1 (in the sonata pub/next/2.0/bin/ directory) but everytime I try to ftp it it gives me the message 'BackSpace: Permission Denied" So, I guess my other question is: can I somehow get this from the archive and, if not, will someone be so kind to, after contacting me, NeXTMail me a copy? Thanks in advance, Peace, James --- _____________________________________________________________________ James David Meacham, 3rd M.Div. Candidate Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.ci.net 210 Herrick Rd. Phone: 617-926-6024 Newton Centre, MA 02159 NeXTMAIL accepted Intern Minister 64-66 Marlborough Street First and Second Church in Boston Boston, MA 02116 (Unitarian Universalist) 617-267-6730 _____________________________________________________________________ -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L7')E9#!<9W)E96XP7&)L=64P M.WT*7'!A<F1<='@Q,34R7'1X,C,P-%QT>#,T-39<='@T-C`X7'1X-3<V,%QT M>#8Y,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P,S8X7'1X,3$U,C!<9C!<8C!<:3!< M=6PP7&9S,C1<9F,P($AI($%L;"Q<"EP*1F]R('1H92!P87-T(&9E=R!W965K M<RP@86YY=&AI;F<@22=V92!T<FEE9"!T;R!D;W=N;&]A9"!F<F]M(&-S+F]R M<W0N961U("!<"G=O;B=T("!<"G5N87)C:&EV92!P<F]P97)L>2P@;F5I=&AE M<B!O;B!M>2!M86-H:6YE(&]R(&]N('1H92!H;W-T($D@9&EA;"!I;G1O+B`@ M(%P*22=V92`@7`ID;W=N;&]A9&5D(&$@8FET(&9R;VT@<V]N871A('=I=&AO M=70@=&AE('-A;64@:VEN9',@;V8@<')O8FQE;7,_("!!;GD@(%P*8VQU<V4@ M87,@(%P*=&\@=VAA="!M:6=H="!B92!T:&4@<')O8FQE;3]<"EP*06QS;RP@ M22=V92!B965N('1R>6EN9R!T;R!G970@82!C;W!Y(&]F($)A8VM3<&%C92!F M;W(@,BXQ("AI;B!T:&4@<V]N871A("`@7`IP=6(O;F5X="\R+C`O8FEN+R!D M:7)E8W1O<GDI(&)U="!E=F5R>71I;64@22!T<GD@=&\@9G1P(&ET(&ET(&=I M=F5S(&UE('1H92`@7`IM97-S86=E("="86-K4W!A8V4Z(%!E<FUI<W-I;VX@ M1&5N:65D(B`@4V\L($D@9W5E<W,@;7D@;W1H97(@<75E<W1I;VX@:7,Z("!< M"F-A;B!)("!<"G-O;65H;W<@9V5T('1H:7,@9G)O;2!T:&4@87)C:&EV92!A M;F0L(&EF(&YO="P@=VEL;"!S;VUE;VYE(&)E('-O(&MI;F0@=&\L("!<"F%F M=&5R(&-O;G1A8W1I;F<@;64L($YE6%1-86EL(&UE(&$@8V]P>3\@(%1H86YK M<R!I;B!A9'9A;F-E+%P*4&5A8V4L7`I<"DIA;65S7`HM+2U<"E]?7U]?7U]? M7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]? M7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7PD@7`H)7`H)"0E*86UE<R!$879I9"!-96%C:&%M M+"`S<F1<"@D)"5P*32Y$:78N($-A;F1I9&%T90D)"5P*06YD;W9E<B!.97=T M;VX@5&AE;VQO9VEC86P@4V-H;V]L("`)92UM86EL.FIM96%C:&%M0&%N=',N M8VDN;F5T7`HR,3`@2&5R<FEC:R!29"X)"0D)4&AO;F4Z(#8Q-RTY,C8M-C`R M-%P*3F5W=&]N($-E;G1R92P@34$@,#(Q-3D)"2`@(`E.95A434%)3"!A8V-E M<'1E9%P*7`I);G1E<FX@36EN:7-T97()"0D)-C0M-C8@36%R;&)O<F]U9V@@ M4W1R965T7`I&:7)S="!A;F0@4V5C;VYD($-H=7)C:"!I;B!";W-T;VX)0F]S M=&]N+"!-02`P,C$Q-EP**%5N:71A<FEA;B!5;FEV97)S86QI<W0I"0DV,3<M M,C8W+38W,S!<"E]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]? G7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7UP*"GT* `
From: tpg@zaphod.UUCP (Terry Gliedt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trouble with XR5 on NS3.1 Date: 29 Oct 1993 05:17:15 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310282224.AA00300@csn.org> I have gotten the XR5 material from foxtrot.ucsb.edu and installed it on my Motorola NS3.1 system. The process seems completely straight-forward. I must have something incorrect, although I cannot see what it is. When I start X using Xfe, the screen goes dim (black) but nothing happens. If I use the dimmer control button to "undim" it, I can see that the spin cursor continues for 10-20 seconds and then the App stops and disappears. I can find no msgs in /usr/adm/messages. This sound familiar to anyone? How can I see any error msgs that are being generated ? I am using the default options to Xnext (-bs -su). Yes, I did the chmod to /dev/vid0. The .xinitrc file has almost nothing in it. It works with the co-Xist demo. I'd appreciate any ideas you might suggest. Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: FAX, Serial Ports, Intel Message-ID: <1993Oct29.142232.5076@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:22:32 GMT I have an immediate need to FAX from my Intel only NEXTSTEP environment. What solutions do I have. In addition, I have a potential problem. Both of my serial ports are occupied by serial connections to other UNIX hosts. THus my ports are tekn, so I would love a way to add more ports. Is this available? All help is appreciated. Thanks Wes Spears -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group (UUCP and SENDMAIL Consultation) 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mfurey@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Software for Next computer Message-ID: <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> Sender: usenet@news.ucs.mun.ca (NNTP server account) Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 13:21:17 GMT I'm going to be purchasing software for the Next computer. Does anyone have any suggestions of companies to purchase from?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Peter.Hauke@brunel.ac.uk (Peter Hauke) Subject: Re: HP LaserJet IV (PostScript) driver wanted Message-ID: <CFo217.JKG@brunel.ac.uk> Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK References: <2ahht7$372@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 16:05:30 GMT Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi wrote: : Where could I get a driver for a HP LaserJet IV (PostScript) printer : I have NS 3.0 in (black hardware). I have connected an HP LJ IV up to the NeXT hardware using an network emulator card called NetJet. Effectively the HP becomes a network printer and any NeXT on your network can print to it. I think the card cost about $300 to $500. Peter -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Hauke Voice: (+44) 895 274000 x2390 Dept. of Computer Science Fax: (+44) 81-991 2345 Brunel University Personal: (+44) 81-997 2808 Uxbridge UB8 3PH Middlesex, UK Email: Peter.Hauke@brunel.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: JANA? I Beginning to wonder Message-ID: <CFn1I1.1Hr@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <9310270333.AA00886@datarev.datarev.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 02:56:24 GMT In article <9310270333.AA00886@datarev.datarev.com> turnbull@datarev.datarev.COM (Steve Turnbull) writes: # (Fredrik Nyman) writes; # #>So what's with the JANA CD's? It's been *quite* a while #>since I last got one. # #>Thanks, #>Fredrik # # #I e-mailed JANA and here is the response I got. I am still waiting for my CD. #It's now 20 days and counting for something I was supposed to receive in 10 #days. # # #>From: info@jana.com (Info) #>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 22:30:00 -0400 #>Organization: JANA Technoligis Group Inc ** STUFF DELETED ** #>THe September/October issue will be mailed within ten days. The only one I have gotten was the one at the expo. I'm waiting also. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIP: dwrite Mail MailFilter to remove unwanted header lines Date: 29 Oct 1993 19:36:09 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <2arrb9$mrq@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <2aptrf$qv4@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2aptrf$qv4@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: ] This may already be known, but... ] ] If you want to remove mail headers like "X-Vms-To", "Precedence", ] or "Content-Transfer-Encoding" from appearing in Mail.app, do ] from Terminal (as one line): ] ] dwrite Mail MailFilter "Received:From ] :Status:Message-Id:Return-Path:Next-Reference:Errors-To:X-Sequence:Precedence:C ontent-Length:Conten ] t-Type:X-Vms-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:X-Mailer" [ some message deleted] ] There is also: ] MailMarker "Subject:From:To:Cc:Attachment:Date:Reply-To:Sender:In-Reply-To" ] which I don't know the function of, but you can probably guess. Be sure not to fiddle with the MailMarker strings -- it can foul up the reading of NeXTMail. Be sure you are careful with the MailFilter options as well -- and save the original settings in case you find you have screwed up your mail. All this from personal experience... -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
From: hemang@panix.com (Hemang Shukla) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "The journey is the reward" Date: 29 Oct 1993 16:34:09 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2aruo1$jg2@panix.com> Summary: A biography of Steve Jobs Keywords: Jobs I have been trying to find the book "The Journey is the reward" by S. Young. It is out of print and none of the libraries have it. Could someone direct me to the sources where I can find this book or loan it/sell it to me. I absolutely must have this book. I read the book "Accidental Millionaire" by Lee Butcher. A good book but the author definitely does not like Jobs. Places where he admits the explosive power of Jobs is very reluctant. Anyway, Thanks a lot. Hemang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: Multiboot NeXTSTEP/Intel w/ OS/2 & Linux? Message-ID: <CFoFIG.80o@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA References: <1993Oct15.232220.14339@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 20:56:39 GMT In article <1993Oct15.232220.14339@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> chung@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Chung Ng) writes: >Hello, > >Is it possible to set up a multiboot so that NeXTSTEP, OS/2, and Linux >can coexist on the same hard disk? If yes, how? Yes. Install OS/2 first. The first partition has to be FAT and the second partition must be installed with NS, if not, NeXTSTEP won't be able to auto-mount the FAT partition. Install NS after formating the FAT partition. Then do whatever you want to do. >If not, is it possible to create a floppy boot disk for NeXTSTEP so that >I can boot from the floopy drive? NeXTSTEP support multiboot, OS/2 does too. That's what I am doing. I have tried putting NS, DOS, OS/2 and Linux in the same drive. They run seamlessly. >Thanks for the info. in advance. > >Chung Ng > >-- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| _ . | _____ | ____ | Chung Ng | >| | \ | | | | | | | NCR -- El Segundo | >| | \ | | | | | -- | Chung.Ng@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com | >| | \_| | |_____ | | \ | 310-524-6440 | > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Need /NextDeveloper/Headers! Message-ID: <1993Oct29.210232.22870@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 21:02:32 GMT A plea for help! While installing various gnu software (as root), I made a mistake - I touched some of the header files in /usr/include (==/NextDeveloper/Headers), and now all of my precompiled headers are out of date and, for all i know, my header files are possibly incorrect. There no CD ROM drives anywhere in Tompkins County that I can use to restore them... thus, my plea: Can any kind soul "tar cvf Headers.tar /NextDeveloper/Headers" for me and send me the tar file (uuencoded, or I can tell you an ftp site) so I can get everything back in working order? Thanks very much for any help! David bau@cs.cornell.edu
From: luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIP: dwrite Mail MailFilter to remove unwanted header lines Date: 29 Oct 1993 21:15:23 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Distribution: world Message-ID: <2as15b$akf@ftp.alleg.edu> References: <2arrb9$mrq@hub.ucsb.edu> In article <2arrb9$mrq@hub.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: Be sure not to fiddle with the MailMarker strings -- it can foul up the reading of NeXTMail. Be sure you are careful with the MailFilter options as well -- and save the original settings in case you find you have screwed up your mail. All this from personal experience... {end} The original post spoke of dremove Mail MailFilter. Using that and dremove Mail MailMarker will put you back to your original settings (well, it did for me so I assume it would for you). MailMarker and MailFilter are _not_ listed as part of a dread -o Mail unless you set them, so there are defaults which Mail.app will use if there is no specified MailFilter or MailMarker, just in case something goes awry. You can remove the changes if they do not give the desired effect, and just go back to your original defaults. Does anyone remember the command posted awhile back which would show all possible dwrites for an app? If so, could you repost or mail it? Thanks -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Home: Hudson, MA Current: Allegheny College, Meadville PA If it does not please you to serve the Lord, decide today whom you will serve - Joshua 24:15
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) Subject: Sound digitiizers Message-ID: <vfr750CFoG48.9pA@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 21:09:43 GMT Does anyone have any suggestions for equipment used to digitize sounds on a slab? I would like to digitize some CD samples, but hanging a microphone over my stereo speakers seems awkward at best (and low res at worst). According to Conrads latest Nugget post, the only thing that I saw was something from Singular Solutions for ~$1300. *ahem*...For $1300, even I'd try to build a digitizer myself. Anyway, any suggestions and pointers would be appreciated. If you've got schematic for something then I'd even entertain looking at that. Thanx! -- Will Hartung - Hermosa Beach, Lower Left Coast. vfr750@netcom.com, it's not just a login, it's RED!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Software for Next computer Message-ID: <1993Oct29.232745.2053@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 23:27:45 GMT mfurey@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes > I'm going to be purchasing software for the Next computer. Does > anyone have any suggestions of companies to purchase from? Congratulations on your excellent taste in computers! Your question is a little broad... especially if you don't tell us your needs. I'd recommend trying out for yourself the various demos and full apps available by anonymous ftp on the archives; then you can buy those you find useful. The archives are at cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Look in /pub/next. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: NS 3.1 on black Message-ID: <1993Oct30.020447.10378@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <55857@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <jbell.93Oct2695048@spiffy> Distribution: fj Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 02:04:47 GMT In article <jbell.93Oct2695048@spiffy> jbell@spiffy.cybernet.com writes: >> I have black hardware and I just registered my NS 3.1 upgrade. >> >> I asked how much memory the developer system used and he said >> 330Meg in 3.1 and 150 in 3.0. What is the deal? I hear >> that 3.1 is faster. What else? Why does >> it take so much extra space? I was planning on just sitting >> on 3.1 and waiting for 3.2. >> >> I only have 200 Meg now. I guess I have to buy a hard drive! >> >> Mark Stankus >> > > Could this be due to MAB libraries? That's a pretty >serious jump. > >--- >J. Shan Bell Cybernet Systems Corportation >jbell@cybernet.com (NeXTMail accepted) Research and Development >(313) 668-2567 Voice (313) 668-8780 Fax Ann Arbor, MI > What is the cost for the 3.0 -> 3.1 UG for black hardware? I've been off the Net for a long time. . . Dave
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mm macros and nroff Message-ID: <1993Oct28.193052.18608@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: 28 Oct 93 19:30:52 GMT Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA I have a document formatted with mm macros. I tried all the macro packages on the NeXT without success. Then I nroffed it on a SysV machine, which worked but did not give me quite what I needed to print. So I copied the mm macros to the NeXT and tried it there. Some of the macros work fine. Some don't work at all and some seem to work partially. The SysV machine runs Rel. 2.2. The NeXT runs NS3.1. Does anybody have any idea why the mm macros would fail with NS nroff? I can't imagine the program has been changed in a long time. Is BSD nroff a lot different from SysV nroff? And what about ptroff -- mm didn't work their either. -- Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us 412-471-5320 venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail] !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Draw programs and the outside world Message-ID: <56064@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 30 Oct 93 06:07:36 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Is there a standard format which draw programs use to import/export their images. For example, can I ask any commericially available program to export a part of its image? When I say "ask", I mean send a message via Speaker/Listener or PDO and when I say "export", I mean output the stuff to a pipe or similar. Thanks, Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: .mpg viewer Message-ID: <CFp6yw.MC3@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 06:49:43 GMT Is there a .mpg viewer for the NeXT. Particularly NS 2.1? Brian sela@iastate.edu -- Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Aris Theocharides <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Mandlebrot.app from NS 3.0 Message-ID: <9330317.17362@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 07:28:40 GMT May some kind soul please NeXTmail me the NeXTstep 3.0 version of the Mandlebrot.app program? (For Motorola of course). If you can't NeXTmail, or prefer not to, you can also submit it to: foucault.maths.mu.oz.au:/pub/incoming via anonymous ftp. If this is available publically elsewhere, that would be just as good, just let me know. Many thanks. -- (OZNeXT Vice-President, Australian NeXT User Group) Aris Theocharides <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> Department of Mathematics The University of Melbourne Telephone: +613 344 4021 Parkville VICTORIA 3052 AUSTRALIA Facsimile: +613 344 4599
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bud@slip2.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeff Fields) Subject: Re: Mandlebrot.app from NS 3.0 Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Oct30.155107.10691@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 15:51:07 GMT References: <9330317.17362@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA In article <9330317.17362@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Aris Theocharides <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> writes: > > May some kind soul please NeXTmail me the NeXTstep 3.0 version of the > Mandlebrot.app program? (For Motorola of course). > I have sent him a copy. I'm just posting so that hundreds of others won't do so as well. :) Jeff Fields jfields@chop.isca.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: park@isl.Stanford.EDU (Sang Ju Park) Subject: Help: Floppy Disk Formatting fails Message-ID: <1993Oct30.170010.22239@EE.Stanford.EDU> Sender: usenet@EE.Stanford.EDU (Usenet) Organization: Information Systems Lab, Stanford University Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 17:00:10 GMT I have a 25MHz 040 NeXT Cube. After upgrading to 3.1, I cannot correctly initialize a floppy disk in NeXT format. It had no problem in 3.0. The following is the console error message: > /usr/etc/disk -i -h chadol -l "unlabeled" /dev/rsd2a > disk name: PLI SUPER FLOPPY > disk type: removable_rw_scsi > device = /dev/rsd2a block size = 512 capacity = 1 MBytes > Disk Format in progress... > ***Format Complete*** > writing disk label > boot block extends beyond front porch I saw someone asked help for the same problem but missed the answers. Could anyone out there know the work around for this problem ? The disk I tried was originally DOS formatted and I am having no problem in initializing a disk in DOS form. Thanks in advance. --- Sang Ju Park (park@isl.stanford.edu)
From: Airborne Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIP: dwrite Mail MailFilter to remove unwanted header lines Date: 30 Oct 1993 15:09:43 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Distribution: world Message-ID: <2au03n$r46@ftp.alleg.edu> References: <2as15b$akf@ftp.alleg.edu> Timothy J. Luoma writes <->Does anyone remember the command posted awhile back which would show all <->possible dwrites for an app? If so, could you repost or mail it? <->Thanks dwrite -o <owner> -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Virtue is like a rich stone, best plain set." - Francis Bacon "Take the bottle, Shake it up, Break the bubble, Break it up..." -Def Leppard <<<< Jeremy Bussard <-> Airborne <-> bussarj@alleg.EDU >>>>
From: Airborne Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIP: dwrite Mail MailFilter to remove unwanted header lines Date: 30 Oct 1993 15:40:25 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Distribution: world Message-ID: <2au1t9$rj9@ftp.alleg.edu> References: <2au03n$r46@ftp.alleg.edu> Airborne writes <->Timothy J. Luoma writes <-><->Does anyone remember the command posted awhile back which would show all <-><->possible dwrites for an app? If so, could you repost or mail it? <-><->Thanks <-> <->dwrite -o <owner> Excuse me, doing to much at one time and wrote the wrong command. Let me correct my mistake by saying: dread -o <owner> My apologies to all. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Virtue is like a rich stone, best plain set." - Francis Bacon "Take the bottle, Shake it up, Break the bubble, Break it up..." -Def Leppard <<<< Jeremy Bussard <-> Airborne <-> bussarj@alleg.EDU >>>>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: "The journey is the reward" Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc. Date: 30 Oct 93 10:51:19 PDT Message-ID: <1993Oct30.105119.4930@crash> References: <2aruo1$jg2@panix.com> Hemang Shukla (hemang@panix.com) wrote: : : I have been trying to find the book "The Journey is the reward" by : S. Young. It is out of print and none of the libraries have it. : Could someone direct me to the sources where I can find this book : or loan it/sell it to me. : : I absolutely must have this book. : : I read the book "Accidental Millionaire" by Lee Butcher. A good : book but the author definitely does not like Jobs. Places where : he admits the explosive power of Jobs is very reluctant. : : Anyway, Thanks a lot. : : Hemang I think it's Jeffrey Young, not S. Young. I read the book, met the author once, in fact. I'm pretty sure his first name was Jeffrey. - bd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@dragonfly.wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: Software for Next computer Message-ID: <1993Oct30.174701.22610@wri.com> Sender: news@wri.com ( ) Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 17:47:01 GMT In article <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> mfurey@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >I'm going to be purchasing software for the Next computer. Does anyone >have any suggestions of companies to purchase from? > Why, from Wolfram Research, of course! 800-441-6284 info@wri.com Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@dragonfly.wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: Software for Next computer Message-ID: <1993Oct30.173407.22267@wri.com> Sender: news@wri.com ( ) Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 17:34:07 GMT In article <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> mfurey@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >I'm going to be purchasing software for the Next computer. Does anyone >have any suggestions of companies to purchase from? > Why, from Wolfram Research, of course ~8^) 800-441-6284 info@wri.com Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ginsparg@lanl.gov (PG) Subject: comment: macslip to nextslip "just works" Message-ID: <1993Oct30.185048.12780@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 18:50:48 GMT many moons back, installed mamakos dialupip slip software on nextstations at home and office running as slip server and client (both black 3.0). configuration tedious but ultimately straightforward (besides it was free, gives 100% network connectivity at 19.2kbaud on a pair of zyxel U1496E+'s, also running NXFax on both with no interference. with the modem compression, file transfers [via rcp or ftp] are typically 3-5 kbyte/sec. not quite isdn, but that won't be available for another year in my local calling area [despite having the highest # workstations per capita in the solar system]). for reasons primarily related to end of fiscal year surpluses that show up at end sept with one day to spend, my group picked up a macintosh powerbook with internal 14.4 modem and versaterm pro software that claimed to support slip connections. with some trepidation (not a big fan of macintosh), opened up adminslip, configured a spare ip#, slip login, and nameserver [all menued, took a minute, never even looked for documentation], dialed into the nextstation running dialupip and bingo -- worked first time, remarkably little fuss -- could instantly open up as many simultaneous telnet/ftp sessions as desired to anywhere on internet, and use macgopher/macmosaic (for www). (this was with fixed ip#, by clicking instead on dynamically assigned ip# in adminslip, powerbook worked equally well dialing into a terminal interface gateway that assigns temporary ip#'s to incoming slip connections). gives a relativity inexpensive travel solution (<< $2k) until NS/I serial port drivers are robust enough to handle slip from an intel-based laptop (and until intel-based laptop prices come down). but with pc based tcp increasingly prevalent, also means won't be long before pc community enters network news posting bigtime (watch your s/n). pg
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Organizing Gateway 2000 users of Nextstep! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 30 Oct 1993 23:28:02 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-301093163005@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Oct28.163823.4796@cs.cornell.edu> In article <1993Oct28.163823.4796@cs.cornell.edu>, bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) wrote: > So I'm putting together a mailing list of Nextstep Gateway users. I'm > willing to initially collect and share email addresses, and I will try > and set up an ftp site of useful files for anybody who sends me a > note, but I don't have the expertise to set up any fancy automated > listserver or any such thing. Anybody else willing to help? How about comp.sys.next.support-group? Or, Adult Children of NeXTSTEP/Gateway Users? :-) -- Don (who just bought a used Turbo Color machine to avoid all this) __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Software for Next computer Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 30 Oct 1993 23:32:38 GMT Organization: Babbage MacroSystems Message-ID: <deluxe-301093163353@17.220.88.2> References: <1993Oct29.095117.1@leif> <1993Oct29.232745.2053@leland.Stanford.EDU> mfurey@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes > I'm going to be purchasing software for the Next computer. Does > anyone have any suggestions of companies to purchase from? Well, the great thing about NeXTSTEP is you can not only buy software for it, you can also buy the companies that make the software :-) -- Don (ducking from the flying tomatoes) __________________________________________________________________________ When in doubt, bore it out. - Hotrodder's Handbook pp.6
From: louie@uunet.uu.net (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Clock Drift and NTP driftfile (/etc/ntp.drift) Date: 30 Oct 1993 21:52:02 -0400 Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA, USA Message-ID: <2av5o2INNoq4@rodan.UU.NET> References: <DAHL.93Oct23142041@esca.esca.com> <CEDMAN.93Oct24095034@capitalist.princeton.edu> In article <CEDMAN.93Oct24095034@capitalist.princeton.edu>, Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> wrote: > I'm using a stand alone machine and my clock loses a lot of time. > > The man pages for ntp talk about a driftfile (/etc/ntp.drift) so my > guess is that I can set the driftfile manually and let the ntpd do the > clock adjustments for me. When I wrote the code that maintained the /etc/ntp.drift file, the intention was to have the ntpd daemon process read the file when it was started, rather than having to recompute the drift from scratch everytime the system was booted. This allows the logical clock's phase-locked-loop to lock faster with the result of much less jitter on the local clock offset since there are fewer frequency corrections that would need to be applied. It never occured to me that you would want to use ntpd to read this file and maintain your clock, without actually peering with a remote system. I don't know how well this would actually work and I know that *I've* never tested it to work that way. >You are correct. The drift file consists out of five floats encoding >the drift of the clock in the last five hours (newest first), followed >by an integer specifying how many hours ntpd has been running. >Positive floats describe a slow clock, negative floats a fast one. >The size of the daily drift (in seconds) is the float multiplied by >(86400/4096). Carl's explanation is correct. If all you want to do is apply corrections to your clock, you might just consider hacking a 10 line program that just invokes adjtime() periodically. See 'man 2 adjtime' for details. >Of course considering that the great guru of NeXTdom, author of >dialupip and ntp, Louis Mamakos himself is known to read this group, >maybe I should not have answered this question. Darn. Guru? Where? When it comes to ntpd, I recommend that folks serious about keeping good time get the latest xntpd3 from LOUIE.UDEL.EDU (no relation). That's what I run on my machine, and I've not done any development or maintenance on ntpd in 3 years. Been spending all my spare time working in SLIP, it seems. -- Louis A. Mamakos louie@uunet.uu.net UUNET Technologies, Inc. uunet!louie 3110 Fairview Park Dr., Suite 570 Voice) +1 703 204 8000 Falls Church, Va 22042 Fax) +1 703 204 8001
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need list of inexpensive low-end video for NS/I Date: 27 Oct 1993 09:27:41 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2albdt$ar@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <BEFIB40C@math.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck) writes: >I need a list of inexpensive video cards (pref. VLB, though ISA might be >acceptable) capable of 1024x768x8-bit or 2-bit greyscale. By inexpensive >I mean $100-150 or less. I think the only inexpensive graphics adapter is an ET4000AX ISA. For better performance, you'd think about the /W32 VESA version which is announced to be supported in 3.2. Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Sound digitiizers In-Reply-To: vfr750@netcom.com's message of Fri, 29 Oct 1993 21:09:43 GMT To: vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Oct30103751@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <vfr750CFoG48.9pA@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 14:37:51 GMT In article <vfr750CFoG48.9pA@netcom.com> vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) writes: Does anyone have any suggestions for equipment used to digitize sounds on a slab? I would like to digitize some CD samples, but hanging a microphone over my stereo speakers seems awkward at best (and low res at worst). CD samples are _already_ digitized. Going through a DAC and then a ADC is not going to improve sound quality. Fortunately some CD drives, notably the Toshiba 3401, the Apple CD300 and the NEC [78]4-1 (and presumably the latest tripple and quadrupple speed versions hitting the market now) can read digital audio data right off the CD and transmit it digitally to the host computer over the SCSI bus without any extra hardware needed. Unfortunately these drives implement that ability incompatibly so that you'd need a different program for every one of them. To the best of my knowledge example code on how to do this is only available for the Toshiba 3401 in the play3401 package to be found on cs.orst.edu and nova.cc.purdue.edu. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: TIP: dwrite Mail MailFilter to remove unwanted header lines In-Reply-To: luomat@alleg.edu's message of 29 Oct 1993 21:15:23 GMT To: luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Oct30104405@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2arrb9$mrq@hub.ucsb.edu> <2as15b$akf@ftp.alleg.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 14:44:05 GMT In article <2as15b$akf@ftp.alleg.edu> luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: Does anyone remember the command posted awhile back which would show all possible dwrites for an app? If so, could you repost or mail it? Sure. Here it is. Installing it executable with name "InvestigateDefaults" in your path allows you to do things like this from the command line: % InvestigateDefaults /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail Otherwise execute as the original author suggested in the comment. Carl Edman PS: See, Tim, I don't _always_ flame people asking questions. :-) #!/bin/gdb -x #------------------------------------------------------------------------- # investigateDefaults.gdb # # To be executed with gdb -q -nx <appName> -x investigateDefaults.gdb # # Examines all defaults in the application by trapping calls to # NXRegisterDefaults and _registerDefault (undocumented) # # $Log: investigateDefaults.gdb,v $ # Revision 1.1 1992/05/07 04:54:06 drew # Initial revision # #------------------------------------------------------------------------- break NXRegisterDefaults commands 1 silent end run commands 1 silent cont end break _registerDefault commands 2 silent set $o = (char *)*($sp + 8) set $d = (char *)*($sp + 12) set $v = (char *)*($sp + 16) printf "\"%s\" \"%s\" \"%s\"\n",$o,$d,$v ? $v : "" cont end cont quit
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: MSWord for Windows ClipArt format Message-ID: <gslCFr4uu.ABq@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 07:59:18 GMT I have a MS Word for Windows CDROM that has oodles of clipart images on it but there all in .wmf format. Does anyone have software to convert these to something usable (i.e. tiff format) on NSFIP? Thanks in advance, Greg Lindholm gsl@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pjoe@charon.muc.de (Peter Eybert) Subject: Re: Mandlebrot.app from NS 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Oct30.220350.882@charon.muc.de> Sender: pjoe@charon.muc.de Organization: Peter Eybert References: <1993Oct30.155107.10691@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 22:03:50 GMT In article <1993Oct30.155107.10691@news.uiowa.edu> bud@slip2.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeff Fields) writes: > In article <9330317.17362@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Aris Theocharides > <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> writes: > > > > May some kind soul please NeXTmail me the NeXTstep 3.0 version of the > > Mandlebrot.app program? (For Motorola of course). > > > > I have sent him a copy. I'm just posting so that hundreds of others > won't do so as well. :) > > Jeff Fields Too late, Jeff. I've sent him one, too. -- Peter Eybert, pjoe@charon.muc.de --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Aris Theocharides <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: Mandlebrot.app from NS 3.0 Message-ID: <9330423.14984@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 12:00:34 GMT Thank you to all who responded. I should have asked for ftp only, as if it was there I would not have ended up with so many NeXTmail-ed copies. Live and learn I guess. Thanks again, -- Aris Theocharides <aris@maths.mu.OZ.AU> Department of Mathematics The University of Melbourne Telephone: +613 344 4021 Parkville VICTORIA 3052 AUSTRALIA Facsimile: +613 344 4599
From: shim@insa-lyon.fr (Kwang-Bo Shim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Searching 68040 Logic board for NeXTCube-030 Date: 31 Oct 1993 12:44:29 GMT Organization: C.I.S.M. Universite de Lyon 1 / INSA de Lyon Message-ID: <2b0bvd$dab@cismsun.univ-lyon1.fr> Bonjour! I'm looking for a 68040 logic board for my 030NeXTCube. Merci!
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X Windows apps for X-ignorant? Date: 31 Oct 1993 14:24:56 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2b0hro$ff4@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hello all, I'n running an NSTC, and after a year of trying Next (WriteNow, WP, Edit, emacs, PasteUp) writing tools, I haven't found one I like to use. I have Executor with MS Word 4, which isn't satisfactory (Executor does it with speed and panache, I just hate Word 4, 5 even more!). I've used Motif - X for a total of 20 minutes in my life. Given that I love running "foreign" operating systems promiscuously you might say, can anyone recommend some apps that run under that combination that would justify the money to get Co-Xist or Cub'X? I like mosaic very much, but can navigate without it. Writing tools? Is there a good version of WP under X? HAs anyone used it on a NST? Thanks for advice Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins University
From: erictremblay@genie.geis.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Swapping the CDROM filesystem Date: 31 Oct 1993 08:50:10 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310311449.AA02394@relay2.geis.com> >Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de >If you have a black NeXT you can replace the CDROM-filesystem. Get >it from a 3.0 system and you're happy again. Tomas, I did what you said and it works great! Except that I can no longer use a ISO-9660 Rock Ridge disc from my personnal account it only works from my root account. The other discs work great (like the AppWrapper for example, is this disc in native NeXT format?) from my personnal account. Only the Rock Ridge disc no longer works from my personnal. I checked the permissions and they are like the other files I replaced. What can it be? BTW: That's for the tip! Let's hope 3.2 fixes everything... Eric "E.T." Tremblay Walnut Creek CDROM
Newsgroups: uw.next,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Daniel Fineman) Subject: "ide: read error:" installing NS486! Message-ID: <1993Oct31.181207.23835@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle References: <1993Oct29.162334.6131@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 18:12:07 GMT hey there all - after finally getting the right SCSI stuff together, i'm running into a problem "initializing" my hard disk. First, after booting off of the next floppy (installation), I have to hit return after the "boot:" prompt, and then unplug the keyboard, or it won't work later (or so i've found - someone told me that you had to do that on the old Gateways to get the keyboard to work). After booting, i've got to eject the floppy disk as soon as "Resetting SCSI bus..." appears, or installation won't go through. NS then recognizes the cd rom. Then, it tries to "Register: hc0". It hangs there for a long time, _unless_ i plug the keyboard back in, when it will immidiately say "ide: Read error: status=0x58 error=0x0 cyl=0x0 sec=0x1 drhd=0xa0" and then it will try to "Register: hc0a", where it will one again hang, until i plug the keyboard back in, and the same ide read error is then displayed. After all this, it finally gets to the part about the language & the options. I answer all of the questions, and then allocate either all of the hard disk space or some of it to NeXT (i've tried both). During this process, i get the same "ide: read error" a few times (when selecting the disk, and in another spot). After it attempts to initialize the hard disk, i get the ide read error again, and the system closes up, saying that the hard disk can't be initialized. I've got a plain ol' IDE card, and a western digital 340mb hard disk. Anyone have any ideas as to what could be the problem? thanks a lot, dan
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mandlebrot.app from NS 3.0 Date: 31 Oct 1993 18:33:37 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2b10e1$4sk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Refer